Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Dear All, Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so. Please give your views on this. Regards, -Manoj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Dear Manoj, I consider Sun for bones. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojwrote: > > > Dear All, > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so. > Please give your views on this. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Sun is karak for bones.Mars for marrom and saturn for nerves and muscles. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Fri, 12/25/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Karaka for Bones? " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > Friday, December 25, 2009, 8:20 PM  Dear All, Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so. Please give your views on this.  Regards,  -Manoj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Dear Manoj, Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones. You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that strengthens our bones. Regards, Krishna On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojwrote: > > > Dear All, > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so. > Please give your views on this. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Dear Manoj ji/Krishna murthy ji, I consider both for bones but in practical aplication for me Sat found to be working better.I dont consider it is wrong to have 2 karakas....... Love and regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Manoj, > > Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka > for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones. > > You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that > strengthens our bones. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran chandran_manojwrote: > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so. > > Please give your views on this. > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Dear Gopi ji, Saturn and Rahu (and even Mars) when afflict Sun could cause fractures. You might have seen Saturn in such context with bones. For me considering Sun as Karaka for bones has worked well. Regards, Krishna On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > Dear Manoj ji/Krishna murthy ji, > I consider both for bones but in practical aplication for me Sat found > to be working better.I dont consider it is wrong to have 2 > karakas....... > Love and regards, > gopi. > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <kmurthys58 wrote: > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the > karaka > > for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of > bones. > > > > You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us > and that > > strengthens our bones. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran > chandran_manojwrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to > be so. > > > Please give your views on this. > > > > > > Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear All, Thank you for all your comments on this topic. I appreciate the sharing. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 jyotish-vidya Fri, December 25, 2009 11:04:13 PM Re: Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Gopi ji, Saturn and Rahu (and even Mars) when afflict Sun could cause fractures. You might have seen Saturn in such context with bones. For me considering Sun as Karaka for bones has worked well. Regards, Krishna On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > Dear Manoj ji/Krishna murthy ji, > I consider both for bones but in practical aplication for me Sat found > to be working better.I dont consider it is wrong to have 2 > karakas....... > Love and regards, > gopi. > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <kmurthys58 wrote: > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the > karaka > > for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of > bones. > > > > You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us > and that > > strengthens our bones. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran > chandran_manojwrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to > be so. > > > Please give your views on this. > > > > > > Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Krishna and All, I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishvidya.com/prikriti.htm I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com Krishnamurthy Seetharama Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Manoj, Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones. You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that strengthens our bones. Regards, Krishna On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojwrote: > > > Dear All, > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so. > Please give your views on this. > > Regards, > -Manoj __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4717 (20091226) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, I was told by a Jyotish who is also a Sanskrit scholar that there is no reference in the Classics to suggest that Surya represents " Ahamkara " (Ego) but the references are only to the " Atma " (Soul). I am not a Sanskrit scholar so I cannot vouch for this. On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument.  Regards,  -Manoj  ________________________________ Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya jyotish-vidya Sat, December 26, 2009 11:45:46 PM Re: Karaka for Bones?  Dear Krishna and All, I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishv idya.com/ prikriti. htm I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com Krishnamurthy Seetharama Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Manoj, Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones. You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that strengthens our bones. Regards, Krishna On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so. > Please give your views on this. > > Regards, > -Manoj __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4717 (20091226) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Manoj, ///On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument./// This is the first time I've come across the notion that " ego " may only be a theoretical argument. Believe me, the " ego " is very real! Whenever we refer to such attributes as arrogance, pride etc., we're referring to 'ego " . The soul is neither arrogant nor proud...these are attributes of the " ego " ! There can be no doubt that Sun signifies; 1. The Soul (Atma) 2) The ego and all it entails. 3) The physical body in general, physical heart, eyes etc.. From Bhrigu Sutras: **Sun represents health, the vital principle, general prosperity and high office, positions of rank and title, government affairs and officials, new undertakings, publicity, popularity, superior or proud and haughty persons. Sun governs the sides, upper portion of the back, heart, right eye of the male and left eye of the female. His day is Sunday, metal gold and colour orange. If he is not hampered by unfavourable disposition or malefic aspects or association and is dignified by position in the horoscope, Sun bestows a nature which is ambitious, proud, magnanimous, frank, generous, humane, firm and honourable. Men ruled by the Sun aspire to positions of rulership and by their earnest nature inspire others with a respect for their abilities, so they usually attain positions of trust, responsibility and honour where they are perfectly at home and capable of practical execution to a very satisfactory degree. If the Sun at birth is unfavourably placed and is otherwise undignified, the native is inclined to be too forceful, lordly, domineering, positively arrogant and extravagant, inclining also to sickness of a feverish inflammatory nature, eye affliction and heart disorders as well as loss of position, credit or esteem due to impulsiveness of these natives.** Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ Manoj Chandran Sunday, 27 December 2009 10:51 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Mrs Wendy, I was told by a Jyotish who is also a Sanskrit scholar that there is no reference in the Classics to suggest that Surya represents " Ahamkara " (Ego) but the references are only to the " Atma " (Soul). I am not a Sanskrit scholar so I cannot vouch for this. On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya jyotish-vidya Sat, December 26, 2009 11:45:46 PM Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Krishna and All, I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishv idya.com/ prikriti. htm I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4720 (20091227) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Wendy ji, Nice to hear from you again! Hope you had a very merry Christmas! :-) ///Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna./// Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc) tend to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of self importance? Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems (rather than just bones too), right? ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, Thanks for the clarifications.  Regards,  -Manoj  ________________________________ Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya jyotish-vidya Sun, December 27, 2009 2:50:05 PM Re: Karaka for Bones?  Dear Manoj, ///On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument./// This is the first time I've come across the notion that " ego " may only be a theoretical argument. Believe me, the " ego " is very real! Whenever we refer to such attributes as arrogance, pride etc., we're referring to 'ego " . The soul is neither arrogant nor proud...these are attributes of the " ego " ! There can be no doubt that Sun signifies; 1. The Soul (Atma) 2) The ego and all it entails. 3) The physical body in general, physical heart, eyes etc.. From Bhrigu Sutras: **Sun represents health, the vital principle, general prosperity and high office, positions of rank and title, government affairs and officials, new undertakings, publicity, popularity, superior or proud and haughty persons. Sun governs the sides, upper portion of the back, heart, right eye of the male and left eye of the female. His day is Sunday, metal gold and colour orange. If he is not hampered by unfavourable disposition or malefic aspects or association and is dignified by position in the horoscope, Sun bestows a nature which is ambitious, proud, magnanimous, frank, generous, humane, firm and honourable. Men ruled by the Sun aspire to positions of rulership and by their earnest nature inspire others with a respect for their abilities, so they usually attain positions of trust, responsibility and honour where they are perfectly at home and capable of practical execution to a very satisfactory degree. If the Sun at birth is unfavourably placed and is otherwise undignified, the native is inclined to be too forceful, lordly, domineering, positively arrogant and extravagant, inclining also to sickness of a feverish inflammatory nature, eye affliction and heart disorders as well as loss of position, credit or esteem due to impulsiveness of these natives.** Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ____________ _________ ___ Manoj Chandran Sunday, 27 December 2009 10:51 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Mrs Wendy, I was told by a Jyotish who is also a Sanskrit scholar that there is no reference in the Classics to suggest that Surya represents " Ahamkara " (Ego) but the references are only to the " Atma " (Soul). I am not a Sanskrit scholar so I cannot vouch for this. On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> jyotish-vidya Sat, December 26, 2009 11:45:46 PM Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Krishna and All, I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishv idya.com/ prikriti. htm I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4720 (20091227) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Balaji, ///Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc) tend to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of self importance?/// Of course much depends on who aspects, but commonly natives with ill-disposed Sun tend to be quite egotistical...fixed in their views. A lack of low self-esteem may present as arrogant self-assurance...unable to let their guard down so to speak. It can manifest in many ways so it's difficult to set the same rule for everyone. I have a Son (David) with Sun in Libra in nakshatra of Rahu. God Bless him he's a self-made business man who works hard for his family, but when he comes to visit he goes on endlessly about his work; what he does; what he's achieved and what he hopes to achieve...the ego is so dominant! However, with Jupiter's aspect, kindness and compassion are not lacking...misguided at times due to Jupiter's weakness, but evident non-the-less. ///Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems (rather than just bones too), right?/// As karaka for lagna, Sun represents our overall physical well-being and, apart from governing the formation and maintenance of bones (Sapta Dhatu), Sun also signifies (particularly) the head, brain, right eye, bile, organ of voice (larynx), physical heart, arteries and veins. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ Balaji Narasimhan Monday, 28 December 2009 9:00 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Wendy ji, Nice to hear from you again! Hope you had a very merry Christmas! :-) ///Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna./// Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc) tend to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of self importance? Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems (rather than just bones too), right? ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4720 (20091227) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Balaji, ///Nice to hear from you again! Hope you had a very merry Christmas! :-)/// Thank you! Yes, Christmas was very nice. The family all came to my house for dinner so I was kept quite busy. But it was well worth it to have them all together and be able to cook for them. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ Balaji Narasimhan Monday, 28 December 2009 9:00 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Wendy ji, Nice to hear from you again! Hope you had a very merry Christmas! :-) ///Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna./// Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc) tend to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of self importance? Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems (rather than just bones too), right? ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4720 (20091227) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Mrs Wendy Ji, Nice to see you back giving very lucid clarification citing example.Long live and Pray for your more guidance. ragards Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya Re: Re: Karaka for Bones? jyotish-vidya Sunday, December 27, 2009, 9:42 PM  Dear Balaji, ///Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc) tend to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of self importance?/ // Of course much depends on who aspects, but commonly natives with ill-disposed Sun tend to be quite egotistical. ..fixed in their views. A lack of low self-esteem may present as arrogant self-assurance. ..unable to let their guard down so to speak. It can manifest in many ways so it's difficult to set the same rule for everyone. I have a Son (David) with Sun in Libra in nakshatra of Rahu. God Bless him he's a self-made business man who works hard for his family, but when he comes to visit he goes on endlessly about his work; what he does; what he's achieved and what he hopes to achieve...the ego is so dominant! However, with Jupiter's aspect, kindness and compassion are not lacking...misguided at times due to Jupiter's weakness, but evident non-the-less. ///Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems (rather than just bones too), right?/// As karaka for lagna, Sun represents our overall physical well-being and, apart from governing the formation and maintenance of bones (Sapta Dhatu), Sun also signifies (particularly) the head, brain, right eye, bile, organ of voice (larynx), physical heart, arteries and veins. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ Balaji Narasimhan Monday, 28 December 2009 9:00 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Wendy ji, Nice to hear from you again! Hope you had a very merry Christmas! :-) ///Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna./// Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc) tend to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of self importance? Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems (rather than just bones too), right? ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji. ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4720 (20091227) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Krishnan, Thank you, it's good to be participating with you all again. But I musn't forget (this time) to take sufficient time away from the computer to enjoy other aspects of my life...very important, don't you agree Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com________________________ Vattem Krishnan Monday, 28 December 2009 11:38 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Karaka for Bones? Mrs Wendy Ji,Nice to see you back giving very lucid clarification citing example.Long live and Pray for your more guidance.ragardsVattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman"Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them"Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4720 (20091227) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy,Welcome back to you and your wisdom filled posts.......nice to know you have had a Merry Christmas with your family....God bless,gopi.jyotish-vidya , "Mrs. Wendy" <jyotishvidya wrote:>> Dear Krishna and All,> > I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may > > Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishvidya.com/prikriti.htm> > I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.> > Best Wishes,> Mrs. Wendy> http://JyotishVidya.com> > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM> jyotish-vidya > Re: Karaka for Bones?> > > Dear Manoj,> > Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka> for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones.> > You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that> strengthens our bones.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran chandran_manojwrote:> > >> >> > Dear All,> >> > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so.> > Please give your views on this.> >> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4717 (20091226) __________> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > http://www.eset.com> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Gopi, Nice to be back Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com________________________ gopalakrishna Monday, 28 December 2009 12:03 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Mrs Wendy,Welcome back to you and your wisdom filled posts.......nice to know you have had a Merry Christmas with your family....God bless,gopi.jyotish-vidya , "Mrs. Wendy" <jyotishvidya wrote:>> Dear Krishna and All,> > I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may > > Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishvidya.com/prikriti.htm> > I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.> > Best Wishes,> Mrs. Wendy> http://JyotishVidya.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4720 (20091227) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy,Yes, I agree with you on Sun representing physical body as well. We should remember that Sun is also lagnakaraka.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Krishna and All, I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishvidya.com/prikriti.htm I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com Krishnamurthy Seetharama Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Manoj, Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones. You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that strengthens our bones. Regards, Krishna On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojwrote: > > > Dear All, > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so. > Please give your views on this. > > Regards, > -Manoj __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4717 (20091226) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Wendy ji ///Of course much depends on who aspects, but commonly natives with ill-disposed Sun tend to be quite egotistical/// Yeah, too much of the I, me, myself attitude. Surya is neecha in Tula because he hates the concept of anybody being equal to him. He has to be king! ///Yes, Christmas was very nice. The family all came to my house for dinner so I was kept quite busy./// I'm sure it would have been tiring, but this is the nice sort of tiredness! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Dear Manoj Ji and All, Even as told by some learned scholars to me and with my limited understanding We often blame SUN for EGO.. Which is NOT TRUE and i have observed and observing still from many charts.. It is JUPITER who represents EGO... Pls check Jup's postion especially in 3H i found them More Egoistic person(s) in majority of charts..of course certainly not in all charts Regards Chandu2Chill jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > I was told by a Jyotish who is also a Sanskrit scholar that there is no reference in the Classics to suggest that Surya represents " Ahamkara " (Ego) but the references are only to the " Atma " (Soul). I am not a Sanskrit scholar so I cannot vouch for this. > > On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument. >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya > jyotish-vidya > Sat, December 26, 2009 11:45:46 PM > Re: Karaka for Bones? > >  > Dear Krishna and All, > > I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may > > Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishv idya.com/ prikriti. htm > > I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Karaka for Bones? > > Dear Manoj, > > Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka > for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones. > > You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that > strengthens our bones. > > Regards, > Krishna > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >wrote: > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so. > > Please give your views on this. > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4717 (20091226) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Dear Friends, State of Ego is always a matter of interest for psychologists as well it seems for Astrologer. 1..AS a planet giving light and direction,Sun is a great rverred Planet and is next to none.he also holds command as a lagna"Surya Lagna apart from all our theoritical understandings. 2.Sun being the King of Planetary Cabinet it was held in Classiclas as "Proudha".Also not malefic but KROOR apart from bitter and sour tastes arising from Sun.The question of blaming of sun is never there as it was also oft told PAPOM Ko HARANEWALE SURYA. It is often seen that every" Prani" He introduces,exposes and gives experience in all worldly affairs.As far as all other planets are next to King follow 3..Jupiter as a planet giving knowledge/Vidya apart from many other things,jupiter does not make any body as proud.Infact also considered as "mitha bahsi" characterised as Deva Guru.He is a symbolic representation of Good(it is different he may cause bad,yet times) 4.Possibly Sukracharya represented by Venus holds vanity and also"above all others" in materialistic terms.No doubt as diatya guru he has all things equal or more to Brihaspati/Guru. 5.Some how these comparisions and actual realities are a matter of interest.we should therfore understand what is it that causes ego in a person,is it wealth?Appearence/sundarata?bravery/courage,Knowledge?6Stories of Past History says Rulers project "ego" to indicate that they r class by themselves and they rein power in their hands.Their competencies are never to be interrogated 7.Surya is thus embodiment of all qualities to praise him or despise Him. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman"Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them" Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 12/29/09, CP <nanna_id2006 wrote: CP <nanna_id2006 Re: Karaka for Bones?jyotish-vidya Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:00 AM Dear Manoj Ji and All,Even as told by some learned scholars to me and with my limited understanding We often blame SUN for EGO.. Which is NOT TRUE and i have observed and observing still from many charts...It is JUPITER who represents EGO... Pls check Jup's postion especially in 3H i found them More Egoistic person(s) in majority of charts..of course certainly not in all chartsRegardsChandu2Chilljyotish-vidya, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mrs Wendy,> I was told by a Jyotish who is also a Sanskrit scholar that there is no reference in the Classics to suggest that Surya represents "Ahamkara" (Ego) but the references are only to the "Atma" (Soul). I am not a Sanskrit scholar so I cannot vouch for this.> > On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument.>  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@ ...>> jyotish-vidya> Sat, December 26, 2009 11:45:46 PM> Re: Karaka for Bones?> >  > Dear Krishna and All,> > I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may > > Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishv idya.com/ prikriti. htm> > I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.> > Best Wishes,> Mrs. Wendy> http://JyotishVidya .com> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM> jyotish-vidya > Re: Karaka for Bones?> > Dear Manoj,> > Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka> for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones.> > You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that> strengthens our bones.> > Regards,> Krishna> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >wrote:> > >> >> > Dear All,> >> > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so.> > Please give your views on this.> >> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4717 (20091226) __________> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > http://www.eset. com> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Chandhu, I strongly advise you to put some serious effort into learning the basics before making such erroneous statements. Most serious students, I'm sure, will be familiar with the works of Dr. David Frawley... in particular "The Astrology of the Seers" from which I offer the following: **The Sun is our sense of self and indicates our self-manifestation. On the lower level, the Sun represents the ego. It shows our impulses towards power, prestige, fame, authority and control etc..** After quoting from Rishi Bhrigu (Bhrigu Sutras) only yesterday, I find it amazing that you can come out with such a contradictory statement. Do you consider yourself more learned than the learned? My own guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (the greatest proponent of Vedic knowledge in our time) has taught me that Sun signifies both the big Self (Atma/Soul) and the small self (ego)... Do you set yourself up as an authority over these great rishis?? Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com________________________ CP Tuesday, 29 December 2009 7:00 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Manoj Ji and All,Even as told by some learned scholars to me and with my limited understanding We often blame SUN for EGO.. Which is NOT TRUE and i have observed and observing still from many charts..It is JUPITER who represents EGO... Pls check Jup's postion especially in 3H i found them More Egoistic person(s) in majority of charts..of course certainly not in all chartsRegardsChandu2Chill __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4724 (20091229) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Dear All,Sun is the center of our solar system. Without the Sun, this solar system will not exist. Everything under the Sun gets an identity or 'ego' only because of the Sun and not because of anything else. Is there a counter argument? Regards,Krishna On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Chandhu, I strongly advise you to put some serious effort into learning the basics before making such erroneous statements. Most serious students, I'm sure, will be familiar with the works of Dr. David Frawley... in particular " The Astrology of the Seers " from which I offer the following: **The Sun is our sense of self and indicates our self-manifestation. On the lower level, the Sun represents the ego. It shows our impulses towards power, prestige, fame, authority and control etc..** After quoting from Rishi Bhrigu (Bhrigu Sutras) only yesterday, I find it amazing that you can come out with such a contradictory statement. Do you consider yourself more learned than the learned? My own guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (the greatest proponent of Vedic knowledge in our time) has taught me that Sun signifies both the big Self (Atma/Soul) and the small self (ego)... Do you set yourself up as an authority over these great rishis?? Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com________________________ CP Tuesday, 29 December 2009 7:00 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Karaka for Bones? Dear Manoj Ji and All,Even as told by some learned scholars to me and with my limited understanding We often blame SUN for EGO.. Which is NOT TRUE and i have observed and observing still from many charts..It is JUPITER who represents EGO... Pls check Jup's postion especially in 3H i found them More Egoistic person(s) in majority of charts..of course certainly not in all chartsRegardsChandu2Chill __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4724 (20091229) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy Ji, Your advise is been taken with due respect and thank you for the same. I was just echoing what Manoj Ji has mentioned on the subject (Sun and Ego) and the next statement was mine i.e Jupiter represents Ego, this was told and discussed in my personal intraction(s) with some of the learned persons whom i know.. Same quetion was put by me to him, If Sun does not represnt Ego then whom (which planet) should we consider for Ego? his answer was it is Jupiter more so adversly placed Jupiter he said. i forgot to mention this in my first response to the subject. In fact Difficult/Rigid/Arrogant people should be associated with Adversly placed Jupiter.. Asked me to check and test it on as many charts as possible (Note: You know i am more interested in Practical and Result based Astrology study. No doubt Theroy and all Granthas like BHPS certainly halp and MUST be studied. But there and in India traditionally taught i.e. Oral tradition Astrologers give more accurate predictions then who mastered the BPHS. This i found myself and i am convinced) In an argument there are many ways one can defend his/her view points. here i am not arguing and i am not claiming that i am more Learned then the learned ones on this group,then there's no question of me considering myself more learned then Brighu Rishi. But the argument continued i asked him how and on what basis you say that Jupiter represents Ego? he gave one live example what we all experienced and seen. When Jupiter was transiting his MT House just recently he told me in general in mundane perspective, Every person WAS Optimistic Banks were making Huge Profits(??) and everybody seemed happy(??) then what happened? we all know the history.. He told me No doubt Jupiter is EXPANSSIVE, OPTIMISTIC.. But then in the end it all boils down to Ego.. When the reality hits Ego vanishes.. so where's the Sun here who transits one sign every month how you can say he represents Ego?. You and everybody has the right to differ on this i don't have any issues with that. I am just sharing what i have been told and asked to see and did little study with my known charts. not just my chart alone:-) This is what i found/learned at least from this GURU Ji that there's lot of practical knowledge/application is needed then just bookish one.. at least for me...:-) Rest all your points are taken with due respect. Since i am still learning Basics i have the right to question and subject to fail in my observations.. hope you agree with me on this:-) Regards Chandu2Chill PS: Being an Optimistic is OK. But too much of Optimistic shows or at least generates the Ego in the person anybody would like to discuss and share their views? i am not going to ARGUE i will be a silent learner now:-) jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Chandhu, > > I strongly advise you to put some serious effort into learning the basics before making such erroneous statements. > > Most serious students, I'm sure, will be familiar with the works of Dr. David Frawley... in particular " The Astrology of the Seers " from which I offer the following: > > **The Sun is our sense of self and indicates our self-manifestation. On the lower level, the Sun represents the ego. It shows our impulses towards power, prestige, fame, authority and control etc..** > > After quoting from Rishi Bhrigu (Bhrigu Sutras) only yesterday, I find it amazing that you can come out with such a contradictory statement. Do you consider yourself more learned than the learned? > > My own guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (the greatest proponent of Vedic knowledge in our time) has taught me that Sun signifies both the big Self (Atma/Soul) and the small self (ego)... Do you set yourself up as an authority over these great rishis?? > > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ________________________ > > > > > > CP > Tuesday, 29 December 2009 7:00 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Karaka for Bones? > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji and All, > > Even as told by some learned scholars to me and with my limited understanding We often blame SUN for EGO.. Which is NOT TRUE and i have observed and observing still from many charts.. > > It is JUPITER who represents EGO... Pls check Jup's postion especially in 3H i found them More Egoistic person(s) in majority of charts..of course certainly not in all charts > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4724 (20091229) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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