Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Dear Members, If I might offer some comments on this work... **He taught that we should evaluate the meaning of each Varga chart with respect to the planets whose dasa and bhukti are running at each period of a person's life. For example, if a person is running a Venus dasa, then one would focus on the position of Venus in each varga chart.** I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10); and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification. As for other vargas, my opinion is that these would come into focus specifically (in the same manner) according to the various antar/pratyantar/sookshmantar periods within a particular mahadasa...in this instance, Venus. Members might like to test this out on various charts and share their findings with the group. I personally am of the opinion that neither bhava lordships or graha aspects are possible in what is simply a division of the signs of the zodiac (into sections) for finer analysis. As I've said many times over the years, and I'm sure people must be tired of hearing it by now, but none-the-less it's worth repeating, Janma Kundali itself is an 'act of creation' that takes place at the moment of birth when the twelve signs of the zodiac, representing the physical universe, are recreated as the twelve bhavas. These bhavas are, as they say, set in stone...cannot be recreated (not in this lifetime - just as our own (created) body cannot be recreated in this lifetime). The vargas, as per my understanding, are divisions of the signs of the zodiac, not divisions of the bhavas. In Janma Kundali, the recreated grahas have lordship over the created bhavas...without thinking we refer to them as lagna lord, 9th lord, 10th lord etc; This lordship, as with the bhavas, is set in stone and we cannot then (also) assign lordship to them in the vargas. Lagna lord will always be lagna lord as long as we are in this created body. Please note Parashara's discourse on the " Sixteen Divisions of a Sign " In Chapter 6 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch6.htm he refers throughout to the rasis (or signs)...nowhere does he refer to the vargas as divisions of the bhavas. In other sections of BPHS he does refer specifically to the bhavas when discussing the significations of the bhavas, dasas of bhava lords, strength of bhavas etc, etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4814 (20100128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 PS: Perhaps I could have expressed my thoughts on this in a clearer manner...rather than rushing through at the end of my comments (as I did). There is no doubt that (often) my fingers are far quicker than my brain; So to clarify my meaning let me rephrase the following statement... ///Please note Parashara's discourse on the " Sixteen Divisions of a Sign " In Chapter 6 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch6.htm he refers throughout to the rasis (or signs)...nowhere does he refer to the vargas as divisions of the bhavas./// ....nowhere does he refer to bhavas or bhava lords in connection with Divisionals/Vargas. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =========================== Mrs. Wendy Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:15 PM Jyotish-Vidya The Teachings of Iyer - Divisionals Dear Members, If I might offer some comments on this work... **He taught that we should evaluate the meaning of each Varga chart with respect to the planets whose dasa and bhukti are running at each period of a person's life. For example, if a person is running a Venus dasa, then one would focus on the position of Venus in each varga chart.** I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10); and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification. As for other vargas, my opinion is that these would come into focus specifically (in the same manner) according to the various antar/pratyantar/sookshmantar periods within a particular mahadasa...in this instance, Venus. Members might like to test this out on various charts and share their findings with the group. I personally am of the opinion that neither bhava lordships or graha aspects are possible in what is simply a division of the signs of the zodiac (into sections) for finer analysis. As I've said many times over the years, and I'm sure people must be tired of hearing it by now, but none-the-less it's worth repeating, Janma Kundali itself is an 'act of creation' that takes place at the moment of birth when the twelve signs of the zodiac, representing the physical universe, are recreated as the twelve bhavas. These bhavas are, as they say, set in stone...cannot be recreated (not in this lifetime - just as our own (created) body cannot be recreated in this lifetime). The vargas, as per my understanding, are divisions of the signs of the zodiac, not divisions of the bhavas. In Janma Kundali, the recreated grahas have lordship over the created bhavas...without thinking we refer to them as lagna lord, 9th lord, 10th lord etc; This lordship, as with the bhavas, is set in stone and we cannot then (also) assign lordship to them in the vargas. Lagna lord will always be lagna lord as long as we are in this created body. Please note Parashara's discourse on the " Sixteen Divisions of a Sign " In Chapter 6 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch6.htm he refers throughout to the rasis (or signs)...nowhere does he refer to the vargas as divisions of the bhavas. In other sections of BPHS he does refer specifically to the bhavas when discussing the significations of the bhavas, dasas of bhava lords, strength of bhavas etc, etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ============================ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4815 (20100128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, //I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10); and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification.// I have little doubt and confusion in understadning in below scenario.. If we take Venus for Aries Lagna, Venus owns 2nd and 7th Bhavas.. So how do we delineate if we take 2H matter looking at D2 chart? i.e Hora Chart? you see here all planets are either in Moon or and Sun Bhavas only... What if Venus falls in Moon Bhava? and what if Venus is in Sun Bhava? how do we decipher? Appreciate you and all learned member's inputs.. Regards Chandu2Chill jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Members, > > If I might offer some comments on this work... > > **He taught that we should evaluate the meaning of each Varga chart with respect to the planets whose dasa and bhukti are running at each period of a person's life. For example, if a person is running a Venus dasa, then one would focus on the position of Venus in each varga chart.** > I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10); and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification. > > As for other vargas, my opinion is that these would come into focus specifically (in the same manner) according to the various antar/pratyantar/sookshmantar periods within a particular mahadasa...in this instance, Venus. Members might like to test this out on various charts and share their findings with the group. > > I personally am of the opinion that neither bhava lordships or graha aspects are possible in what is simply a division of the signs of the zodiac (into sections) for finer analysis. As I've said many times over the years, and I'm sure people must be tired of hearing it by now, but none-the-less it's worth repeating, Janma Kundali itself is an 'act of creation' that takes place at the moment of birth when the twelve signs of the zodiac, representing the physical universe, are recreated as the twelve bhavas. These bhavas are, as they say, set in stone...cannot be recreated (not in this lifetime - just as our own (created) body cannot be recreated in this lifetime). The vargas, as per my understanding, are divisions of the signs of the zodiac, not divisions of the bhavas. > > In Janma Kundali, the recreated grahas have lordship over the created bhavas...without thinking we refer to them as lagna lord, 9th lord, 10th lord etc; This lordship, as with the bhavas, is set in stone and we cannot then (also) assign lordship to them in the vargas. Lagna lord will always be lagna lord as long as we are in this created body. > > Please note Parashara's discourse on the " Sixteen Divisions of a Sign " > In Chapter 6 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch6.htm he refers throughout to the rasis (or signs)...nowhere does he refer to the vargas as divisions of the bhavas. > > In other sections of BPHS he does refer specifically to the bhavas when discussing the significations of the bhavas, dasas of bhava lords, strength of bhavas etc, etc.. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4814 (20100128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Dear CP, ///What if Venus falls in Moon Bhava? and what if Venus is in Sun Bhava? how do we decipher?/// First let me correct you here. What you're not understanding is that it's the sign we're looking at...not the bhava! ///I have little doubt and confusion in understadning in below scenario.. If we take Venus for Aries Lagna, Venus owns 2nd and 7th Bhavas.. So how do we delineate if we take 2H matter looking at D2 chart?/// Second house (birth chart) signifies many things besides wealth; which, as you say, is judged from hora. Parasara is quite clear about what each division (varga) represents i.e. physique from ascendant, wealth from Hora (D2), siblings from decanate (D3) and so forth... Perhaps if you were to read through the relevant chapter (BPHS) you would have a clearer ubderstanding of this. Please see Ch.3 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch7.htm Actually it would be time well-spent if you could study both chapters on divisionals i.e. 6 and 7... The more you study the clearer it will become. **13-16. HORA, DECANATE, AND TRIMSAMSA EFFECTS: Jupiter, the Sun and Mars five (pronounced) effects in the hora of the Sun. The Moon, Venus, and Saturn do so when in Moon's hora. Mercury is effective in both the Horas. In the case of an even Rasi, the hora of the Moon will be powerful in effects while the Sun's hora in an odd sign will be so. Full, medium, and nil will be the effects respectively in the beginning, middle, and the end of a hora. Similar applications be made for a decanate, Turyamsa, Navamsa, etc.. As for Trimsamsa effects, the Sun is akin to Mars and the Moon is akin to Venus. The effects applicable to Rasi will apply to Trimsamsa.** Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ======================= CP Friday, 29 January 2010 7:09 PM jyotish-vidya Re: The Teachings of Iyer - Divisionals Dear Mrs. Wendy, //I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10); and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification.// I have little doubt and confusion in understadning in below scenario.. If we take Venus for Aries Lagna, Venus owns 2nd and 7th Bhavas.. So how do we delineate if we take 2H matter looking at D2 chart? i.e Hora Chart? you see here all planets are either in Moon or and Sun Bhavas only... What if Venus falls in Moon Bhava? and what if Venus is in Sun Bhava? how do we decipher? Appreciate you and all learned member's inputs.. Regards Chandu2Chill ======================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4818 (20100129) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Thank you for your valuable inputs and correction yes i made mistake and put Bhava instead of *Sign* i.e Verga Signs. //**13-16. HORA, DECANATE, AND TRIMSAMSA EFFECTS: Jupiter, the Sun and Mars five (pronounced) effects in the hora of the Sun. The Moon, Venus, and Saturn do so when in Moon's hora. Mercury is effective in both the Horas. In the case of an even Rasi, the hora of the Moon will be powerful in effects while the Sun's hora in an odd sign will be so. Full, medium, and nil will be the effects respectively in the beginning, middle, and the end of a hora.// This is really helpful in understanding and delineating the Hora Verga and planets in Hora Verga.. But when we say Hora begining and ending do we need to look at the Day Hora and Hora Lord as well? Or it has nothing to do with Hora Verga? Regards CP jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear CP, > > ///What if Venus falls in Moon Bhava? and what if Venus is in Sun Bhava? how do we decipher?/// > > First let me correct you here. What you're not understanding is that it's the sign we're looking at...not the bhava! > > ///I have little doubt and confusion in understadning in below scenario.. If we take Venus for Aries Lagna, Venus owns 2nd and 7th Bhavas.. So how do we delineate if we take 2H matter looking at D2 chart?/// > > Second house (birth chart) signifies many things besides wealth; which, as you say, is judged from hora. Parasara is quite clear about what each division (varga) represents i.e. physique from ascendant, wealth from Hora (D2), siblings from decanate (D3) and so forth... > > Perhaps if you were to read through the relevant chapter (BPHS) you would have a clearer ubderstanding of this. Please see Ch.3 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch7.htm > > Actually it would be time well-spent if you could study both chapters on divisionals i.e. 6 and 7... The more you study the clearer it will become. > > **13-16. HORA, DECANATE, AND TRIMSAMSA EFFECTS: > Jupiter, the Sun and Mars five (pronounced) effects in the hora of the Sun. The Moon, Venus, and Saturn do so when in Moon's hora. Mercury is effective in both the Horas. In the case of an even Rasi, the hora of the Moon will be powerful in effects while the Sun's hora in an odd sign will be so. Full, medium, and nil will be the effects respectively in the beginning, middle, and the end of a hora. Similar applications be made for a decanate, Turyamsa, Navamsa, etc.. As for Trimsamsa effects, the Sun is akin to Mars and the Moon is akin to Venus. The effects applicable to Rasi will apply to Trimsamsa.** > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > ======================= > > > > CP > Friday, 29 January 2010 7:09 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: The Teachings of Iyer - Divisionals > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > //I agree with this in principle, but with special attention paid to related vargas i.e. for Leo lagna Venus owns 3rd/10th bhavas; So for greater clarity in regards to siblings etc I would note position of Venus in dreshkana (D3). For occupation/success in life I would note position of Venus in dashamsha (D10); and of course, special attention to navamsha as per Venus prime signification.// > > I have little doubt and confusion in understadning in below scenario.. If we take Venus for Aries Lagna, Venus owns 2nd and 7th Bhavas.. So how do we delineate if we take 2H matter looking at D2 chart? i.e Hora Chart? you see here all planets are either in Moon or and Sun Bhavas only... > > What if Venus falls in Moon Bhava? and what if Venus is in Sun Bhava? how do we decipher? > > Appreciate you and all learned member's inputs.. > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > > > ======================== > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4818 (20100129) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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