Nakshatras and their Lords: Ashlesha

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Dear Lalit,

 

///I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are uncomfortable.///

 

That, for the moment, is entirely your choice. However if the rudeness continues in the same manner, the choice will no longer be yours.

 

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litsol

Wednesday, 3 February 2010 2:33 PM

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Re: Nakshatras and their Lords: Ashlesha

Mam Wendy,I admitted that i happen to use srila praphupaad's date of death, when you pointed out the mistake, I liked that and with honest approach i responded to you that you are true, Srila Prabhu's lagna is makar as you stated.But got surprised to see the way you responded to that mail with wordings - 'sheer nonsense'.That's no humbleness rather humilitation, why ?Let's have room for overselves and others as well. I intend only to do service to vedang jyotish, I m on a mission to remove confusions, contradictions crept into jyotish over thousands year, slavery of nation along with decline of science was also a reason. Though, I never wished to hurt you in any manner, rather, appreciated that way you even living in a distant country doing so much and with sincerity, but at the same time there should be space and openness, pls do not contain different view unless that's wrong and intension is also wrong.I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are uncomfortable.Regards,Lalit Mishra.

 

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Apologies to all for continuing errors...

 

The following, of course, should read; "are NOT infallible"

 

///although offering a great service to jyotish, neither of these great souls, like all astrologers (myself included), are infallible.///

 

Time for an extended break I think...

 

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Dear Lalit,just by thinking we are free birds we will not become free birds.Its only a thought like any other thought.The moment we are born or even in the embreo we are not free.The sages say one who does not take birth(s) again and again is only free.That's real freedom which they called MOKSHA.You claim that you know so much about sages,astrology vedas etc etc but you dont seem to know this even.So called free bird is also not free since it has taken birth!!!.I request you to check and understand your own chart 1st before jumping to Mahatma's Charts.Your chart is you which is "I" and also SELF.If you understand it properly you could even become self Realized(in that sense).....-gopi. jyotish-vidya , "Mrs. Wendy" <jyotishvidya wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > ///I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are uncomfortable.///> > That, for the moment, is entirely your choice. However if the rudeness continues in the same manner, the choice will no longer be yours.> > Best Wishes,> Mrs. Wendy> http://JyotishVidya.com> > ===================> > > litsol > Wednesday, 3 February 2010 2:33 PM> jyotish-vidya > Re: Nakshatras and their Lords: Ashlesha> > > > Mam Wendy,> > I admitted that i happen to use srila praphupaad's date of death, when you pointed out the mistake, I liked that and with honest approach i responded to you that you are true, Srila Prabhu's lagna is makar as you stated.> > But got surprised to see the way you responded to that mail with wordings - 'sheer nonsense'.> > That's no humbleness rather humilitation, why ?> > Let's have room for overselves and others as well. > > I intend only to do service to vedang jyotish, I m on a mission to remove confusions, contradictions crept into jyotish over thousands year, slavery of nation along with decline of science was also a reason. > > Though, I never wished to hurt you in any manner, rather, appreciated that way you even living in a distant country doing so much and with sincerity, but at the same time there should be space and openness, pls do not contain different view unless that's wrong and intension is also wrong.> > I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are uncomfortable.> > Regards,> Lalit Mishra.> > > > ===================> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4829 (20100202) __________> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > http://www.eset.com>

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Oh Good Lord! There was no need for correction at all... Both myself and my little computer are seriously overheated...time to switch off for awhile and let everything cool down.

 

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Mrs. Wendy

Wednesday, 3 February 2010 5:24 PM

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Re: Re: Nakshatras and their Lords: Ashlesha

 

Apologies to all for continuing errors...

 

The following, of course, should read; "are NOT infallible"

 

///although offering a great service to jyotish, neither of these great souls, like all astrologers (myself included), are infallible.///

 

Time for an extended break I think...

 

Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,Looks like you are a bit agitated.  Your posting of the correction was appropriate, you shouldn't take it back.Regards,Krishna

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh Good Lord! There was no need for correction at all... Both myself and my little computer are seriously overheated...time to switch off for awhile and let everything cool down.

 

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Mrs. Wendy

Wednesday, 3 February 2010 5:24 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: Nakshatras and their Lords: Ashlesha

 

 

Apologies to all for continuing errors...

 

The following, of course, should read; " are NOT infallible "

 

///although offering a great service to jyotish, neither of these great souls, like all astrologers (myself included), are infallible.///

 

Time for an extended break I think...

 

Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com

 

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Mam Wendy,

 

I admitted that i happen to use srila praphupaad's date of death, when you

pointed out the mistake, I liked that and with honest approach i responded to

you that you are true, Srila Prabhu's lagna is makar as you stated.

 

But got surprised to see the way you responded to that mail with wordings -

'sheer nonsense'.

 

That's no humbleness rather humilitation, why ?

 

Let's have room for overselves and others as well.

 

I intend only to do service to vedang jyotish, I m on a mission to remove

confusions, contradictions crept into jyotish over thousands year, slavery of

nation along with decline of science was also a reason.

 

Though, I never wished to hurt you in any manner, rather, appreciated that way

you even living in a distant country doing so much and with sincerity, but at

the same time there should be space and openness, pls do not contain different

view unless that's wrong and intension is also wrong.

 

I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are uncomfortable.

 

Regards,

Lalit Mishra.

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> ///Have some patience !///

>

> Your insolence has tested my patience on more than one occasion and YES, there

most certainly IS a limit to this!!

>

> ///Perhapse, you are not aware that in India a whole generation of

> astrologers take Swami Vivekananda to be of Dhanu Lagna including K.N

> Rao and his team as well as Sri BV Raman and his followers, as well as

> PV Narsimha and many more from SJC school.///

>

> Now really you have dropped some names here, haven't you! With no disrespect

for K.N. Rao intended, the fact is that there are several of his rectified

charts that astrologers are in disagreement with. And (again) B.V. Raman's

so-called rectified birth of Jesus Christ (and others) is evidence enough that,

although offering a great service to jyotish, neither of these great souls, like

all astrologers (myself included), are infallible.

>

> As for Narasimha Rao and the SJC school, my dealings with them go back many

long years...long before you developed any interest in astrology! I've recently

had private mails from members that point to the fact that Narasimha is no

longer blindly following his guru (Sanjay Rath), so perhaps his understanding

has improved since our exchanges on Gjlist. However my opinion can only be based

on his competence at the time of our communications.

>

> Certainly I will concede that being rather busy at the time, reading through

and assessing (many) other mails (both on and off the list), I obviously read

through yours rather too quickly and missed the point that the letter was

referring to Mithuna rasi...easy enough to do as we were discussing lagna.

Please read below (from your previous post)...

>

> ///In the above case, Ketu is placed in Ashlesha in 4'th house, however, this

alone couldn't kept the fire burning for long, The divine support came from 9'th

lord Jup's placement on 5'th house, Lagna lord Mars is placed in dhanu navamsa,

therefore, the divine stroke transformed the curious mind to an inginted mind,

still, Sun's debility slowed down the process///

>

> In any case your repeated mails, on several topics, stating that; " you are

wrong " , or " you are not much correct " (referring to myself), is extremely

insolent (rude).

>

> I ask you to read the welcoming message on JV group...in respect to the

following in particular:

>

> **Disrespectful behavior is not tolerated and offenders will be banned from

the group without notice.**

>

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> litsol

> Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:02 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Nakshatras and their Lords: Ashlesha

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>

> You are absolutely wrong - seems, didn't understand difference between

> Rashi and Lagna, Srila PrabhuPada has written in his letter that his

> rashi (moon sign) is mithuna not the ascendent, I just supported that

> Srila Prabhupada is of Makar Lagna and found your reply of this sort.

>

> Whereas the birth time of 4 pm, gives Vrisabha as moon sign (rashi) at 1

> Sept 1896, you didn't notice this ...

>

> Have some patience !

>

> Perhapse, you are not aware that in India a whole generation of

> astrologers take Swami Vivekananda to be of Dhanu Lagna including K.N

> Rao and his team as well as Sri BV Raman and his followers, as well as

> PV Narsimha and many more from SJC school.

>

> I disliked the manner you reacted, instead of, welcoming the receipt of

> Srila PrabhuPad's own letter.

>

> ~Lalit Mishra.

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Dear Gopi,

 

How you wd know what's other is, and if you are not a free bird, you can't

understand how'z a free bird, everything you do is mere speculation, why they

created term 'free bird'.

 

There is nothing in the world who can bind me other then my own greediness.

 

Lalit Mishra

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

> just by thinking we are free birds we will not become free birds.Its

> only a thought like any other thought.The moment we are born or even in

> the embreo we are not free.The sages say one who does not take birth(s)

> again and again is only free.That's real freedom which they called

> MOKSHA.You claim that you know so much about sages,astrology vedas etc

> etc but you dont seem to know this even.So called free bird is also not

> free since it has taken birth!!!.

> I request you to check and understand your own chart 1st before jumping

> to Mahatma's Charts.Your chart is you which is " I " and also SELF.If you

> understand it properly you could even become self Realized(in that

> sense).....

> -gopi.

> jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > ///I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are

> uncomfortable.///

> >

> > That, for the moment, is entirely your choice. However if the rudeness

> continues in the same manner, the choice will no longer be yours.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> >

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> >

> > litsol

> > Wednesday, 3 February 2010 2:33 PM

> > jyotish-vidya

> > Re: Nakshatras and their Lords: Ashlesha

> >

> >

> >

> > Mam Wendy,

> >

> > I admitted that i happen to use srila praphupaad's date of death, when

> you pointed out the mistake, I liked that and with honest approach i

> responded to you that you are true, Srila Prabhu's lagna is makar as you

> stated.

> >

> > But got surprised to see the way you responded to that mail with

> wordings - 'sheer nonsense'.

> >

> > That's no humbleness rather humilitation, why ?

> >

> > Let's have room for overselves and others as well.

> >

> > I intend only to do service to vedang jyotish, I m on a mission to

> remove confusions, contradictions crept into jyotish over thousands

> year, slavery of nation along with decline of science was also a reason.

> >

> > Though, I never wished to hurt you in any manner, rather, appreciated

> that way you even living in a distant country doing so much and with

> sincerity, but at the same time there should be space and openness, pls

> do not contain different view unless that's wrong and intension is also

> wrong.

> >

> > I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are

> uncomfortable.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lalit Mishra.

> >

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Mam Wendy,

 

When we tie our conciousness to our body, we grow old, we have a relative view

of time, we begin to feel time is passing, and with passing time we also feel

that we have attain at seniority or juniority.

 

In fact he thought we all should exist, our existence began, we all are of same

age, or better to say we have no age, we are age less, we are time less.

 

The moment attachment to physical body crept into our conciousness, time was

born, he enacted us in play and gave us jyotish to know about next action in

play, in a way jyotish has a limit but when we understand the limit our

consciousness meets to him unlimimited, then there is no limit, we are free, I

am a free bird.

 

Pls. convey to Uttara ji that she wd live her remaining life with no more

sufferings and the day she wd feel like leaving the world that day only she wd

leave it, not before that, she wd be given required strength whenever she wd

need it.

 

I am leaving now.

 

Regards,

Lalit

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> ///I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are

uncomfortable.///

>

> That, for the moment, is entirely your choice. However if the rudeness

continues in the same manner, the choice will no longer be yours.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

>

> ===================

>

>

> litsol

> Wednesday, 3 February 2010 2:33 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Nakshatras and their Lords: Ashlesha

>

>

>

> Mam Wendy,

>

> I admitted that i happen to use srila praphupaad's date of death, when you

pointed out the mistake, I liked that and with honest approach i responded to

you that you are true, Srila Prabhu's lagna is makar as you stated.

>

> But got surprised to see the way you responded to that mail with wordings -

'sheer nonsense'.

>

> That's no humbleness rather humilitation, why ?

>

> Let's have room for overselves and others as well.

>

> I intend only to do service to vedang jyotish, I m on a mission to remove

confusions, contradictions crept into jyotish over thousands year, slavery of

nation along with decline of science was also a reason.

>

> Though, I never wished to hurt you in any manner, rather, appreciated that way

you even living in a distant country doing so much and with sincerity, but at

the same time there should be space and openness, pls do not contain different

view unless that's wrong and intension is also wrong.

>

> I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are uncomfortable.

>

> Regards,

> Lalit Mishra.

>

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Dear Ron and All,To continue on from earlier delineation...From Wikipedia:**He has described his childhood as unhappy, especially the years up to age 13, spent in Germany. He said there was much conflict in his home, and that he did not enjoy attending German primary school, perceiving it as a hostile environment.**

 

Domestic harmony (family happiness) as well as primary schooling can be seen from 2nd house. Here Tolle has retrograde Saturn, dispositor of retrograde 4th lord Mercury, in sign of Moon who (conjunct Rahu) is placed in sign of Mars...his temporary enemy by placement.

 

**At 13 he moved to Spain to live with his father, who gave him the choice of attending school or studying at home.**

 

This would be sometime in 1961 during dasa of VE/ME. Dasa lord Venus owns 12th house and occupies 10th house of Father.

 

**He opted for the latter and from then until age 22 avoided formal schooling, instead pursuing his own creative and philosophical interests, studying literature, astronomy and language on his own.**

 

Note Mercury in 8th from 2nd (seperation from formal schooling?).

 

**At 19, he moved to England and for three years taught German and Spanish to businessmen in a London language school.**

 

10th house (occupation) is lorded by Jupiter who aspects 2nd lord (educators). Dasa during this time possibly SU/JU. Sun, conjunct Mercury, occupies sign of Saturn who is placed in 2nd house of education/educators. Saturn also lords 10th from Moon strengthening the possibility that he would adopt the role of teacher...first a teacher of languages and later a spiritual teacher.

 

**After graduating from the University of London, he began research at Cambridge University as a postgraduate student, matriculating in 1977.**

 

Dasa lords MO/ME. As lord of 4th (end result of education), bhukti lord Mercury (in 9th) also seems to support this.

 

**One night in 1977, at the age of 29, after having suffered from long periods of suicidal depression Tolle says he experienced an "inner transformation.**

 

Again, dasa lord Moon aspected by Saturn (depression), etc.. Bhukti lord Mercury in 9th is combust lagnakaraka/atmakaraka Sun. This Mercury lords over Ashlesha occupied by 8th/9th lord Saturn. Also note that, along with Saturn, Mercury also owns a moksha bhava...Mercury 4th, Saturn 8th.

 

Of course this is only my view of how Gemini lagna might work. Others may care to present their own preferred lagna in similar manner. The fact that 4th lord Mercury is combust 3rd lord Sun (12th from 4th) and aspected by F/M Mars (from 3rd), supports his discomfort/dislike of his home country...

 

Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com

 

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Dear Ron, Many thanks for your thoughts on this. I will have a look at Capricorn, but straight off there are a few things that cause me doubt. I have managed to take a quick look at his biography and find some things tend to verify Gemini... FOR INSTANCE:**At age twenty-two or twenty-three ... I became interested in intellectual matters. My mind became more and more active. I was seeking some kind of answer through the intellect, through philosophy, psychology, and literature. And I believed that the answer was to be found in the intellect and philosophy. So that is when I started getting qualifications in preparatory evening classes that I needed to get into the university in England.** With Gemini rising (T.O.B. 14:03:19) Eckhart was running dasa of MO/ME. Note bhukti lord Mercury (intellect) conjunct lagnakaraka Sun in 9th (higher learning, philosophy etc).. Unfortunately I have some things to do away from the computer for a while so cannot look more into this until later today. In the meantime I encourage others to offer their insights on possible lagna. Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com ===================

 

 

 

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Dear Lalit,//everything you do is mere speculation, why they

created term 'free bird'.//your question itself have/had an inbuilt answer*SPECULATION*!!!....gopi.jyotish-vidya , "litsol" <litsol wrote:>> Dear Gopi,> > How you wd know what's other is, and if you are not a free bird, you can't understand how'z a free bird, everything you do is mere speculation, why they created term 'free bird'.> > There is nothing in the world who can bind me other then my own greediness.> > Lalit Mishra > > > > jyotish-vidya , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > just by thinking we are free birds we will not become free birds.Its> > only a thought like any other thought.The moment we are born or even in> > the embreo we are not free.The sages say one who does not take birth(s)> > again and again is only free.That's real freedom which they called> > MOKSHA.You claim that you know so much about sages,astrology vedas etc> > etc but you dont seem to know this even.So called free bird is also not> > free since it has taken birth!!!.> > I request you to check and understand your own chart 1st before jumping> > to Mahatma's Charts.Your chart is you which is "I" and also SELF.If you> > understand it properly you could even become self Realized(in that> > sense).....> > -gopi.> > jyotish-vidya , "Mrs. Wendy" <jyotishvidya@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > ///I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are> > uncomfortable.///> > >> > > That, for the moment, is entirely your choice. However if the rudeness> > continues in the same manner, the choice will no longer be yours.> > >> > > Best Wishes,> > > Mrs. Wendy> > > http://JyotishVidya.com> > >> > > ===================> > >> > >> > > litsol> > > Wednesday, 3 February 2010 2:33 PM> > > jyotish-vidya > > > Re: Nakshatras and their Lords: Ashlesha> > >> > >> > >> > > Mam Wendy,> > >> > > I admitted that i happen to use srila praphupaad's date of death, when> > you pointed out the mistake, I liked that and with honest approach i> > responded to you that you are true, Srila Prabhu's lagna is makar as you> > stated.> > >> > > But got surprised to see the way you responded to that mail with> > wordings - 'sheer nonsense'.> > >> > > That's no humbleness rather humilitation, why ?> > >> > > Let's have room for overselves and others as well.> > >> > > I intend only to do service to vedang jyotish, I m on a mission to> > remove confusions, contradictions crept into jyotish over thousands> > year, slavery of nation along with decline of science was also a reason.> > >> > > Though, I never wished to hurt you in any manner, rather, appreciated> > that way you even living in a distant country doing so much and with> > sincerity, but at the same time there should be space and openness, pls> > do not contain different view unless that's wrong and intension is also> > wrong.> > >> > > I am a free bird, I wd love to leave you if you feel you are> > uncomfortable.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Lalit Mishra.> > >> > >> > >> > > ===================> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus> > signature database 4829 (20100202) __________> > >> > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > >> > > http://www.eset.com> > >> >>