Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Wendy ji, ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away) Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion. ///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under duress./// Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra... ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Dear Balaji, ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// What a great pity it is that we can't reformat our brain as easily as we do our computer. I am quite obviously in great need of this :-( Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy  jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Balaji Narasimhan Wednesday, 17 February 2010 11:29 PM jyotish-vidya Guru: Combust and Vakra? Wendy ji, ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away) Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion. ///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under duress./// Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra... ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Dear Mr. Balaji and Mrs. Wendy, Nice post, I thought about the Combustion and Retrograde motion of outer planets yesterday after Balaji's e-mail. As the combustion and retrograde motion cannot happen at the same time for the outer planets not sure why BPHS mentions about combustion degree for the outer planets when they are in retrograde motion. Regards, V.Kumaresan --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidyaRE: Guru: Combust and Vakra?jyotish-vidya Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 7:33 AM Dear Balaji, ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// What a great pity it is that we can't reformat our brain as easily as we do our computer. I am quite obviously in great need of this :-( Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy jyotish-vidya [jyotish- vidya@ s.com] On Behalf Of Balaji NarasimhanWednesday, 17 February 2010 11:29 PMjyotish-vidya Guru: Combust and Vakra? Wendy ji,///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:///Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away)Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion.///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under duress.///Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra...~~~~~~~~~Balaji NarasimhanAuthor & Editorhttp://www.balaji. ind.in/~~~~~~~~~The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Dear V. Kumaresan, To be perfectly honest, with all the computer problems these last couple of weeks, I seem to be running pretty much on "auto pilot" at the moment and not really thinking things through at all. But be-that-as-it-may, I should mention here that the combustion degrees given in BPHS are (apparently) taken from the "Surya Siddhanta" and inserted as additional notes by the translator R. Santhanam. I should have been alert to that; so thanks to Balaji for his diligence! Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com V Kumaresan Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:36 PM jyotish-vidya RE: Guru: Combust and Vakra? Dear Mr. Balaji and Mrs. Wendy, Nice post, I thought about the Combustion and Retrograde motion of outer planets yesterday after Balaji's e-mail. As the combustion and retrograde motion cannot happen at the same time for the outer planets not sure why BPHS mentions about combustion degree for the outer planets when they are in retrograde motion. Regards, V.Kumaresan --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote: Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya (AT) bigpond (DOT) com>RE: Guru: Combust and Vakra?jyotish-vidya Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 7:33 AM Dear Balaji, ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// What a great pity it is that we can't reformat our brain as easily as we do our computer. I am quite obviously in great need of this :-( Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy jyotish-vidya [jyotish- vidya@ s.com] On Behalf Of Balaji NarasimhanWednesday, 17 February 2010 11:29 PMjyotish-vidya Guru: Combust and Vakra? Wendy ji,///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:///Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away)Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion.///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under duress.///Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra...~~~~~~~~~Balaji NarasimhanAuthor & Editorhttp://www.balaji. ind.in/~~~~~~~~~The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset. com__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Respected members, With reference to the discussion, I have a chart wherein guru is far from sun, deeply combust and retrograde too. Please see and comment, if combustion in this case becomes null and void. Male 20th Feb 1979 4:30 pm Patna, India Regards Shubham On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear V. Kumaresan, To be perfectly honest, with all the computer problems these last couple of weeks, I seem to be running pretty much on " auto pilot " at the moment and not really thinking things through at all. But be-that-as-it-may, I should mention here that the combustion degrees given in BPHS are (apparently) taken from the " Surya Siddhanta " and inserted as additional notes by the translator R. Santhanam. I should have been alert to that; so thanks to Balaji for his diligence! Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com V Kumaresan Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:36 PM jyotish-vidya RE: Guru: Combust and Vakra? Dear Mr. Balaji and Mrs. Wendy, Nice post, I thought about the Combustion and Retrograde motion of outer planets yesterday after Balaji's e-mail. As the combustion and retrograde motion cannot happen at the same time for the outer planets not sure why BPHS mentions about combustion degree for the outer planets when they are in retrograde motion. Regards, V.Kumaresan --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidyaRE: Guru: Combust and Vakra? jyotish-vidya Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 7:33 AM Dear Balaji, ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// What a great pity it is that we can't reformat our brain as easily as we do our computer. I am quite obviously in great need of this :-( Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy jyotish-vidya [jyotish- vidya@ s.com] On Behalf Of Balaji Narasimhan Wednesday, 17 February 2010 11:29 PMjyotish-vidya Guru: Combust and Vakra? Wendy ji,///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:///Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away) Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion.///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under duress./// Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra... ~~~~~~~~~Balaji NarasimhanAuthor & Editorhttp://www.balaji. ind.in/~~~~~~~~~The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Guru cannot be retrograde and combust at the same time. jyotish-vidya , nath shubham <shubham.nath wrote: > > Respected members, > > With reference to the discussion, I have a chart wherein guru is far from > sun, deeply combust and retrograde too. > Please see and comment, if combustion in this case becomes null and void. > > Male > 20th Feb 1979 > 4:30 pm > Patna, India > > Regards > Shubham > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote: > > > > > > > Dear V. Kumaresan, > > > > To be perfectly honest, with all the computer problems these last couple of > > weeks, I seem to be running pretty much on " auto pilot " at the moment and > > not really thinking things through at all. But be-that-as-it-may, I should > > mention here that the combustion degrees given in BPHS are (apparently) > > taken from the " Surya Siddhanta " and inserted as additional notes by the > > translator R. Santhanam. > > > > I should have been alert to that; so thanks to Balaji for his diligence! > > > > Best Wishes > > Mrs.Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > > > > ** V Kumaresan <vk_mails > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:36 PM > > *To:* jyotish-vidya > > *Subject:* RE: Guru: Combust and Vakra? > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Balaji and Mrs. Wendy, > > > > Nice post, I thought about the Combustion and Retrograde motion of > > outer planets yesterday after Balaji's e-mail. As the combustion and > > retrograde motion cannot happen at the same time for the outer planets not > > sure why BPHS mentions about combustion degree for the outer planets when > > they are in retrograde motion. > > > > Regards, > > V.Kumaresan > > > > --- On *Thu, 2/18/10, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya* wrote: > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya > > RE: Guru: Combust and Vakra? > > jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, February 18, 2010, 7:33 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please > > see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// > > > > What a great pity it is that we can't reformat our brain as easily as we do > > our computer. I am quite obviously in great need of this :-( > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Mrs.Wendy > > > > ** jyotish-vidya [jyotish- vidya@ > > s.com] *On Behalf Of *Balaji Narasimhan > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 February 2010 11:29 PM > > *To:* jyotish-vidya > > *Subject:* Guru: Combust and Vakra? > > > > Wendy ji, > > > > ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please > > see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// > > > > Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen > > Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. > > Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and > > observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away) > > > > Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, > > who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion. > > > > ///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under > > duress./// > > > > Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th > > from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar > > (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star > > of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra... > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > Balaji Narasimhan > > Author & Editor > > http://www.balaji. ind.in/ <http://www.balaji.ind.in/> > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. > > com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > > database 4875 (20100217) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset. com <http://www.eset.com/> > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > > database 4875 (20100217) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > > database 4875 (20100217) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Dear Shubham, Why do you think Jupiter is combust. Jupiter is Retrograde in Lagna while sun is in the 8th house with Mars,mercury and ketu . Best Regards Nilesh jyotish-vidya , nath shubham <shubham.nath wrote: > > Respected members, > > With reference to the discussion, I have a chart wherein guru is far from > sun, deeply combust and retrograde too. > Please see and comment, if combustion in this case becomes null and void. > > Male > 20th Feb 1979 > 4:30 pm > Patna, India > > Regards > Shubham > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote: > > > > > > > Dear V. Kumaresan, > > > > To be perfectly honest, with all the computer problems these last couple of > > weeks, I seem to be running pretty much on " auto pilot " at the moment and > > not really thinking things through at all. But be-that-as-it-may, I should > > mention here that the combustion degrees given in BPHS are (apparently) > > taken from the " Surya Siddhanta " and inserted as additional notes by the > > translator R. Santhanam. > > > > I should have been alert to that; so thanks to Balaji for his diligence! > > > > Best Wishes > > Mrs.Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > > > > ** V Kumaresan <vk_mails > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:36 PM > > *To:* jyotish-vidya > > *Subject:* RE: Guru: Combust and Vakra? > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Balaji and Mrs. Wendy, > > > > Nice post, I thought about the Combustion and Retrograde motion of > > outer planets yesterday after Balaji's e-mail. As the combustion and > > retrograde motion cannot happen at the same time for the outer planets not > > sure why BPHS mentions about combustion degree for the outer planets when > > they are in retrograde motion. > > > > Regards, > > V.Kumaresan > > > > --- On *Thu, 2/18/10, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya* wrote: > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya > > RE: Guru: Combust and Vakra? > > jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, February 18, 2010, 7:33 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please > > see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// > > > > What a great pity it is that we can't reformat our brain as easily as we do > > our computer. I am quite obviously in great need of this :-( > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Mrs.Wendy > > > > ** jyotish-vidya [jyotish- vidya@ > > s.com] *On Behalf Of *Balaji Narasimhan > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 February 2010 11:29 PM > > *To:* jyotish-vidya > > *Subject:* Guru: Combust and Vakra? > > > > Wendy ji, > > > > ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please > > see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// > > > > Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen > > Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. > > Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and > > observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away) > > > > Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, > > who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion. > > > > ///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under > > duress./// > > > > Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th > > from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar > > (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star > > of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra... > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > Balaji Narasimhan > > Author & Editor > > http://www.balaji. ind.in/ <http://www.balaji.ind.in/> > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. > > com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > > database 4875 (20100217) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset. com <http://www.eset.com/> > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > > database 4875 (20100217) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > > database 4875 (20100217) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Just logged in after a longtime, and saw this interesting discussion.. Balaji please can you elaborate on this? Some of the old scriptures have very contradicting combinations which are not generally followed in actual life. Are there any conditions given for this combustion and retrogression? jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > Wendy ji, > > ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// > > Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away) > > Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion. > > ///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under duress./// > > Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra... > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Dear Neena and All, I'm sure Balaji won't mind if I respond to your query... The inner planets (Mercury and Venus) follow the same orbital plane as Earth and so retrograde when THEY are between the Sun and Earth. The outer planets (Mars Jupiter and Saturn) lie outside this orbital plane and so retrograde when the EARTH is between Them and the Sun. I cannot understand why someone of the stature of R.Santhanam would use a table (supposedly) from the Surya Siddhanta stating that the outer planets are retrograde when so close to Sun. In the case of Mars the degree of combustion (when retrograde) is even closer than when in direct motion i.e. 08 degrees when retrograde and 17 degrees when direct? See table here: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch7.htm Scroll down to sloka 28-29. No doubt this confirms the fact that discernment is necessary when interpreting the classical texts. We cannot accept everything verbatim! Although I'm loathe to add any comments myself to this revered text, I feel I should perhaps add a small note under the table... Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== neenako Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:23 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Guru: Combust and Vakra? Just logged in after a longtime, and saw this interesting discussion..Balaji please can you elaborate on this?Some of the old scriptures have very contradicting combinations which are not generally followed in actual life. Are there any conditions given for this combustion and retrogression?jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote:>> Wendy ji,> > ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:///> > Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away)> > Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion.> > ///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under duress.///> > Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra...> > ~~~~~~~~~> Balaji Narasimhan> Author & Editor> http://www.balaji.ind.in/> ~~~~~~~~~ .. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4878 (20100218) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy,It is not the problem with BPHS. It is the problem with the translator. With my broken Sanskrit knowledge, I note that the specific degrees are not mentioned in the shlokas. It only says that the planets become ineffective when they are close to the sun. The actual degrees is given by the author probably from another source. I have Sharma's translation and he does talk about combustion of Venus and Mercury only when retrograde. Hence, I suggest that instead of adding a note under the text, it would be better to remove the combustion degrees for outer planets when retrograde.Regards,Krishna On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Neena and All, I'm sure Balaji won't mind if I respond to your query... The inner planets (Mercury and Venus) follow the same orbital plane as Earth and so retrograde when THEY are between the Sun and Earth. The outer planets (Mars Jupiter and Saturn) lie outside this orbital plane and so retrograde when the EARTH is between Them and the Sun. I cannot understand why someone of the stature of R.Santhanam would use a table (supposedly) from the Surya Siddhanta stating that the outer planets are retrograde when so close to Sun. In the case of Mars the degree of combustion (when retrograde) is even closer than when in direct motion i.e. 08 degrees when retrograde and 17 degrees when direct? See table here: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch7.htm Scroll down to sloka 28-29. No doubt this confirms the fact that discernment is necessary when interpreting the classical texts. We cannot accept everything verbatim! Although I'm loathe to add any comments myself to this revered text, I feel I should perhaps add a small note under the table... Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== neenako Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:23 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Guru: Combust and Vakra? Just logged in after a longtime, and saw this interesting discussion..Balaji please can you elaborate on this?Some of the old scriptures have very contradicting combinations which are not generally followed in actual life. Are there any conditions given for this combustion and retrogression?jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote:>> Wendy ji,> > ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:///> > Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away)> > Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion.> > ///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under duress.///> > Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra...> > ~~~~~~~~~> Balaji Narasimhan> Author & Editor> http://www.balaji.ind.in/> ~~~~~~~~~ .. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4878 (20100218) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Dear Krishna, ///It is not the problem with BPHS. It is the problem with the translator./// I agree 100%. I'm rather surprised though that a translator of such renown would not pick up on this ?? ///Hence, I suggest that instead of adding a note under the text, it would be better to remove the combustion degrees for outer planets when retrograde./// Actually I would not feel at all comfortable altering the text in any way as this is how it appears in printed form. I think a far better option would be to add my comments in a popup window with a link below the table. Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== Krishnamurthy Seetharama Friday, February 19, 2010 12:24 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Guru: Combust and Vakra? Dear Mrs. Wendy, It is not the problem with BPHS. It is the problem with the translator. With my broken Sanskrit knowledge, I note that the specific degrees are not mentioned in the shlokas. It only says that the planets become ineffective when they are close to the sun. The actual degrees is given by the author probably from another source. I have Sharma's translation and he does talk about combustion of Venus and Mercury only when retrograde. Hence, I suggest that instead of adding a note under the text, it would be better to remove the combustion degrees for outer planets when retrograde. Regards,Krishna On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Neena and All, I'm sure Balaji won't mind if I respond to your query... The inner planets (Mercury and Venus) follow the same orbital plane as Earth and so retrograde when THEY are between the Sun and Earth. The outer planets (Mars Jupiter and Saturn) lie outside this orbital plane and so retrograde when the EARTH is between Them and the Sun. I cannot understand why someone of the stature of R.Santhanam would use a table (supposedly) from the Surya Siddhanta stating that the outer planets are retrograde when so close to Sun. In the case of Mars the degree of combustion (when retrograde) is even closer than when in direct motion i.e. 08 degrees when retrograde and 17 degrees when direct? See table here: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch7.htm Scroll down to sloka 28-29. No doubt this confirms the fact that discernment is necessary when interpreting the classical texts. We cannot accept everything verbatim! Although I'm loathe to add any comments myself to this revered text, I feel I should perhaps add a small note under the table... Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4878 (20100218) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 PS: I ,must apologize for my haste in writing the below. I'm sure it must have confused everyone as much as it did me when I reread it. What I meant to say was that the inner planets orbit inside the earth's orbit whilst the outer planets orbit outside of the earth's orbit. I've added a popup window (link) beneath the table of "degrees of combustion" with a diagram which (I hope) makes things a little clearer ___________________________ Dear Neena and All, I'm sure Balaji won't mind if I respond to your query... The inner planets (Mercury and Venus) follow the same orbital plane as Earth and so retrograde when THEY are between the Sun and Earth. The outer planets (Mars Jupiter and Saturn) lie outside this orbital plane and so retrograde when the EARTH is between Them and the Sun. I cannot understand why someone of the stature of R.Santhanam would use a table (supposedly) from the Surya Siddhanta stating that the outer planets are retrograde when so close to Sun. In the case of Mars the degree of combustion (when retrograde) is even closer than when in direct motion i.e. 08 degrees when retrograde and 17 degrees when direct? See table here: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch7.htm Scroll down to sloka 28-29. No doubt this confirms the fact that discernment is necessary when interpreting the classical texts. We cannot accept everything verbatim! Although I'm loathe to add any comments myself to this revered text, I feel I should perhaps add a small note under the table... Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4880 (20100219) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Wendy ji, ///Actually I would not feel at all comfortable altering the text in any way as this is how it appears in printed form. I think a far better option would be to add my comments in a popup window with a link below the table./// I agree. Also, it is nice to see the geocentric model--we have always seen Surya in the middle in all the physics diagrams in school! :-) BTW, some time back, I visited a planetarium and they depicted the vakra effects visually, explaining how this happens and also showed it in an animated form using the heliocentric model. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Thanks Wendy for the clarification. Best Wishes, Neena jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Neena and All, > > I'm sure Balaji won't mind if I respond to your query... > > The inner planets (Mercury and Venus) follow the same orbital plane as Earth and so retrograde when THEY are between the Sun and Earth. The outer planets (Mars Jupiter and Saturn) lie outside this orbital plane and so retrograde when the EARTH is between Them and the Sun. > > I cannot understand why someone of the stature of R.Santhanam would use a table (supposedly) from the Surya Siddhanta stating that the outer planets are retrograde when so close to Sun. In the case of Mars the degree of combustion (when retrograde) is even closer than when in direct motion i.e. 08 degrees when retrograde and 17 degrees when direct? > > See table here: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch7.htm Scroll down to sloka 28-29. > No doubt this confirms the fact that discernment is necessary when interpreting the classical texts. We cannot accept everything verbatim! > > Although I'm loathe to add any comments myself to this revered text, I feel I should perhaps add a small note under the table... > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > neenako > Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:23 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Guru: Combust and Vakra? > > > > > Just logged in after a longtime, and saw this interesting discussion.. > > Balaji please can you elaborate on this? > Some of the old scriptures have very contradicting combinations which are not generally followed in actual life. Are there any conditions given for this combustion and retrogression? > > jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji@> wrote: > > > > Wendy ji, > > > > ///Without doubt Jupiter can be combust whilst in retrograde motion. Please see the note in BPHS Ch7. 28-29:/// > > > > Have you seen this in ACTUAL practice recently? I mean, I have seen Sukra/Budha getting vakra near Surya, but they are always with Surya. Regarding outer planets Kuja, Guru and Sani, to the best of my knowledge and observation, they are vakra when far from Surya (4/5 houses away) > > > > Case in point--Sani and Kuja, who are far from Surya are now Vakra. Guru, who is with Surya, is combust but in accelerated motion. > > > > ///PS: Actually all three (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter) are presently under duress./// > > > > Very true! :-) I have a horrible backache--upper back, with Kuja in 12th from 3rd neecha--and I'm at the fag end of Rahu PD, with the next Antar (sookshmantar, right?) undoubtedly that of Kuja's, and he is in Pushya, star of 8/9 lord, who is also vakra... > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > Balaji Narasimhan > > Author & Editor > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > Recent Activity: a.. New Members 1 > Visit Your Group Start a New Topic > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Un . Terms of Use. > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4878 (20100218) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Dear Balaji, It's thanks to you that I was forced to put my thinking cap on. When we first discussed the retrograde/combust issue I didn't think for a moment to look past the table in BPHS... As we've also discussed this is NOT a favorable transit at the moment. BTW I hope your back is soon feeling better. Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== Balaji Narasimhan Saturday, February 20, 2010 2:35 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Guru: Combust and Vakra? Wendy ji,///Actually I would not feel at all comfortable altering the text in any way as this is how it appears in printed form. I think a far better option would be to add my comments in a popup window with a link below the table.///I agree. Also, it is nice to see the geocentric model--we have always seen Surya in the middle in all the physics diagrams in school! :-)BTW, some time back, I visited a planetarium and they depicted the vakra effects visually, explaining how this happens and also showed it in an animated form using the heliocentric model.~~~~~~~~~Balaji NarasimhanAuthor & Editorhttp://www.balaji.ind.in/~~~~~~~~~ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4882 (20100220) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Wendy ji, ///It's thanks to you that I was forced to put my thinking cap on./// Actually, you have to thank yourself--you thought me to question things and not accept them as told to you. You have always reiterated in the group that all that Parasara has taught us are just guidelines, which should be carefully applied. I was merely applying what you taught me! :-) ///BTW I hope your back is soon feeling better./// Much better, thank you! :-) BTW, one question--I shall be starting Ketu's MD in July and I wanted to ask you, what should I expect now in the Dasa Chiddra period? Some claim that the last bukti of the previous MD (BU/SA in my case) is a DC period, but Sani's AD has been generally good to me, both career-wise and spiritually. What has your own experience with DCs been? Are they really painful? ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Dear Balaji, Just a very quick comment here as I'm about to rush out the door. ///BTW, one question--I shall be starting Ketu's MD in July and I wanted to ask you, what should I expect now in the Dasa Chiddra period?/// Fortunately Dasa/Bhukti lords (ME/SA) are friends. Not so friendly towards Saturn is P/D lord Jupiter who gets debilitated in Saturn's sign (Capricorn)...so things not altogether to your liking/expectations. You're presently undergoing dasa of lagnesh Mercury who occupies 9th along with 5th lord Venus. Ketu, as we know, will show his results through his dispositor. Both Ketu and Mercury occupy nakshatra of 10th/7th lord Jupiter so a major shift in focus shouldn't be expected, although an increase in non-attachment, asceticism etc are likely. It's said that the essence of a dasa can be felt (on a subtle level) prior to its commencement...as Maharishi once explained; "even before we reach the ocean (before we can see it) the smell of the ocean is there". Sorry I must dash now as I have a few things to do (away from the computer) and I'm quickly running out of time. Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== Balaji Narasimhan Monday, February 22, 2010 2:58 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Guru: Combust and Vakra? Wendy ji,///It's thanks to you that I was forced to put my thinking cap on.///Actually, you have to thank yourself--you thought me to question things and not accept them as told to you. You have always reiterated in the group that all that Parasara has taught us are just guidelines, which should be carefully applied. I was merely applying what you taught me! :-)///BTW I hope your back is soon feeling better.///Much better, thank you! :-)BTW, one question--I shall be starting Ketu's MD in July and I wanted to ask you, what should I expect now in the Dasa Chiddra period?Some claim that the last bukti of the previous MD (BU/SA in my case) is a DC period, but Sani's AD has been generally good to me, both career-wise and spiritually.What has your own experience with DCs been? Are they really painful?~~~~~~~~~Balaji NarasimhanAuthor & Editorhttp://www.balaji.ind.in/~~~~~~~~~The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4888 (20100222) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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