Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy,We should be able to make out that if the desires of native are Satvik, Rajasik or Tamasik from a chart. Is it not? Have you tried to read a chart that way before? Regards,Krishna On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Nilesh, The last thing you should do is feel despondent by what has been said. Everybody, saints and sinners alike, has desires! Actually it's not possible to function in this world without desires. Saintly souls have desires for the betterment of humanity...many of us have desires for emancipation etc, etc.. As we know, 3rd indicates short-term desires whilst 11th indicates long-term desires or major goals in life. You should be encouraged by your horoscope and not feel despondent at all. Consider the moksha houses 4, 8, 12... You have MokshaKaraka Ketu's dispositor (Moon) occupying 8th moksha bhava in nakshatra of Ketu himself...what does this tell you about (your) long-term desires? You also have 12th moksha lord Sun occupying 4th moksha bhava (again) in nakshatra of Ketu whilst his dispositor (Jupiter) conjuncts lagnesh Mercury in the 3rd house of desires...this house BTW also governs initiatory instruction...receiving initiation is one of the greatest blessings we can have! It was during the dasa of 3rd/12th lord Jupiter that I travelled abroad and received initiation from my Guru. So please, don't be despondent about the desire houses...desires are necessary! Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== niljoshi27 Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:08 PM jyotish-vidya Re: extramarital affairs Thanks Gopi, Understood the concept, feels logical too. Wonder what it means for me - 3rd house has Mercury and Jupiter in scorpio, and 11th has ketu in cancer. ( Might be meaning I will have to put lot of efforts to follow the path of emancipation )Best RegardsNilesh __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4889 (20100223) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Dear Wendyji, Sorry for sounding despondent.It was said in a jovial self sarcasm. //this house BTW also governs initiatory instruction...receiving initiation is one of the greatest blessings we can have!// - Very true and rightly said. Warm Regards Nilesh jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Nilesh, > > The last thing you should do is feel despondent by what has been said. Everybody, saints and sinners alike, has desires! Actually it's not possible to function in this world without desires. Saintly souls have desires for the betterment of humanity...many of us have desires for emancipation etc, etc.. > > As we know, 3rd indicates short-term desires whilst 11th indicates long-term desires or major goals in life. You should be encouraged by your horoscope and not feel despondent at all. Consider the moksha houses 4, 8, 12... You have MokshaKaraka Ketu's dispositor (Moon) occupying 8th moksha bhava in nakshatra of Ketu himself...what does this tell you about (your) long-term desires? > > You also have 12th moksha lord Sun occupying 4th moksha bhava (again) in nakshatra of Ketu whilst his dispositor (Jupiter) conjuncts lagnesh Mercury in the 3rd house of desires...this house BTW also governs initiatory instruction...receiving initiation is one of the greatest blessings we can have! > > It was during the dasa of 3rd/12th lord Jupiter that I travelled abroad and received initiation from my Guru. > > So please, don't be despondent about the desire houses...desires are necessary! > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > niljoshi27 > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:08 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > Thanks Gopi, > > Understood the concept, feels logical too. > > Wonder what it means for me - 3rd house has Mercury and Jupiter in scorpio, and 11th has ketu in cancer. ( Might be meaning I will have to put lot of efforts to follow the path of emancipation ) > > Best Regards > > Nilesh > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4889 (20100223) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Dear Ravindramani ji, Namaste, ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships.. What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? warmest regards Sheevani jyotish-vidya , " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote: > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Respected learned Astrologers and group members, I thank you all for your responses, on above mentioned subject. They were pretty substantive and had given a very qualified perspective on the subject. This will not only help to the budding astrologers but also to those group members, who are facing this problem and who may go through this ( may God nobody face this situation ). I also very thankful to the forum for healthy astrological discussions, which it carries constantly. Regards, Anupam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Dear Krishna, As we know there are many elements to consider. One thing I have noticed is that Capricorn lagna is most common in the horoscopes of enlightened souls...not surprising considering that (sattva) Jupiter owns both 12th (moksha) bhava and 3rd (kama) bhava whilst lagnakaraka Sun, also a sattvic planet owns 8th (moksha) bhava whilst (sattva) Moon's lords over the 7th (kama) bhava. The other kama bhava (11th) is lorded by Mars who also owns the 4th (moksha) bhava. The connection between the kama and moksha houses is quite strong for Capricorn. Of course the chart as a whole needs to be supportive but it's indeed worth noting that many of our saints/seers have Capricorn rising. Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:19 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: extramarital affairs Dear Mrs. Wendy, We should be able to make out that if the desires of native are Satvik, Rajasik or Tamasik from a chart. Is it not? Have you tried to read a chart that way before? Regards,Krishna On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Nilesh, The last thing you should do is feel despondent by what has been said. Everybody, saints and sinners alike, has desires! Actually it's not possible to function in this world without desires. Saintly souls have desires for the betterment of humanity...many of us have desires for emancipation etc, etc.. As we know, 3rd indicates short-term desires whilst 11th indicates long-term desires or major goals in life. You should be encouraged by your horoscope and not feel despondent at all. Consider the moksha houses 4, 8, 12... You have MokshaKaraka Ketu's dispositor (Moon) occupying 8th moksha bhava in nakshatra of Ketu himself...what does this tell you about (your) long-term desires? You also have 12th moksha lord Sun occupying 4th moksha bhava (again) in nakshatra of Ketu whilst his dispositor (Jupiter) conjuncts lagnesh Mercury in the 3rd house of desires...this house BTW also governs initiatory instruction...receiving initiation is one of the greatest blessings we can have! It was during the dasa of 3rd/12th lord Jupiter that I travelled abroad and received initiation from my Guru. So please, don't be despondent about the desire houses...desires are necessary! Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4891 (20100223) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Dear Anupam, Getting back to what Nilesh said in response to your original post, I must repeat again here that every chart is unique and there's much more to consider than the fact that two planets (any planets) are conjunct. I'm reminded of Maharishi's chart with 9th lord Mercury conjunct 4th lord Mars in lagna. Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== anupamburman Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:35 AM jyotish-vidya extramarital affairs Respected learned Astrologers and group members,I thank you all for your responses, on above mentioned subject. They were pretty substantive and had given a very qualified perspective on the subject.This will not only help to the budding astrologers but also to those group members, who are facing this problem and who may go through this ( may God nobody face this situation ).I also very thankful to the forum for healthy astrological discussions, which it carries constantly.Regards,Anupam __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4891 (20100223) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Dear Ravindramani ji, Namaste, Thank you for your response, I do agree with your take that any house has several significances and aspects, lordships, comjuctions can bring about varying shades of the significance to manifest at appropriate dasha/antras. warmest regards Sheevani jyotish-vidya , " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote: > > Namaste Sheevani ji, > > > > Thanks for writing your understanding. We are all aware, a single placement > in a chart is not the single determinant for deciding an issue. At the same > time, you cannot afford to ignore it too. The position of Lagna Lord > in 8thhouse per se is not adverse. > What are the further influences on him whether it is adverse or favorable > that is important? Multiple afflictions on LL rendering his position weak > and he is not able to function or discharge his duties towards the Native so > satisfactorily. LL in 8th in a way denotes he is assuring longevity to the > native at the same time he gives a clue to the astrologer there is an > element of chronic disease in the chart, there is an element of scandals, > and there is an element of inheritance etc. etc..... The test is really > judging correctly what is the inherent nature of the planet, how would be > his response to the Lagna in a normal way and how he is going to function > temporarily due to the mutual placement with other planets in the chart. > > > Likewise, 7th house is a house of desire and represents, sex in general, > dealing with opposite sex and passions. The 11th house as a trine from the > 7th house represents the same properties in general as that of 7th and are > assigned different significations in particular from the Ascendant. > 11thhouse is the house of elder siblings and general acquaintances > too. > 3rd house is the younger siblings. 11th house is your son in-law or your > daughter in-law since it is the 7th from the 5th. Now it is the nature of > the Lagna lord and the 11th lord and their mutual relations in the chart is > going to decide the issue. > > From Venus, how the natural malefic planets are placed and this is going to > decide the issue. From Venus examine the 4,7,8 and 12, if Rahu is there, > the native’s sexual preference, his attitude and his approach towards sex, > towards the opposite sex is questionable. Certainly it is not going to be > traditional and accepted by the society where in he normally resides. I stop > here. > > > > I keep in mind the desh, kala and patra. This is my way of approaching an > issue. > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, > > whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships.. > > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and > > sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy,I did get a new perspective on Capricorn lagna and the spiritual aspect. Thank you.Regards,Krishna On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Krishna, As we know there are many elements to consider. One thing I have noticed is that Capricorn lagna is most common in the horoscopes of enlightened souls...not surprising considering that (sattva) Jupiter owns both 12th (moksha) bhava and 3rd (kama) bhava whilst lagnakaraka Sun, also a sattvic planet owns 8th (moksha) bhava whilst (sattva) Moon's lords over the 7th (kama) bhava. The other kama bhava (11th) is lorded by Mars who also owns the 4th (moksha) bhava. The connection between the kama and moksha houses is quite strong for Capricorn. Of course the chart as a whole needs to be supportive but it's indeed worth noting that many of our saints/seers have Capricorn rising. Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:19 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: extramarital affairs Dear Mrs. Wendy, We should be able to make out that if the desires of native are Satvik, Rajasik or Tamasik from a chart. Is it not? Have you tried to read a chart that way before? Regards,Krishna On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Nilesh, The last thing you should do is feel despondent by what has been said. Everybody, saints and sinners alike, has desires! Actually it's not possible to function in this world without desires. Saintly souls have desires for the betterment of humanity...many of us have desires for emancipation etc, etc.. As we know, 3rd indicates short-term desires whilst 11th indicates long-term desires or major goals in life. You should be encouraged by your horoscope and not feel despondent at all. Consider the moksha houses 4, 8, 12... You have MokshaKaraka Ketu's dispositor (Moon) occupying 8th moksha bhava in nakshatra of Ketu himself...what does this tell you about (your) long-term desires? You also have 12th moksha lord Sun occupying 4th moksha bhava (again) in nakshatra of Ketu whilst his dispositor (Jupiter) conjuncts lagnesh Mercury in the 3rd house of desires...this house BTW also governs initiatory instruction...receiving initiation is one of the greatest blessings we can have! It was during the dasa of 3rd/12th lord Jupiter that I travelled abroad and received initiation from my Guru. So please, don't be despondent about the desire houses...desires are necessary! Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4891 (20100223) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Dear Mrs Wendy,Interesting discussion of Capricorn Ascdts as Venus ruled Taurus ((5H) as well as Virgo ruled by Mercury(9H) to give them the idealism as houses known for Dharma. Blessings of Guru of Pisces(3H) ,a watery sign and of fiery sign of sagittarus(12H)Capricorn being pridhvi tatwa also gives an understandable practical approach for others to follow these leaders/saints/MahtmasThe sages probably have the benefit of visionaries in uttarashadha(sun),Sravana( Moon) and also Dhanishta(Mars).Has also the benefit of Mystical asterism in Abhjit.before giving exaltation status to Mangal.In the important angles moon and mercury also become points for exaltation.These make them a very ideal for them to adhere to Dharma with great conviction.Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman"Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them"Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Re: extramarital affairsjyotish-vidya Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:46 PM Dear Mrs. Wendy,I did get a new perspective on Capricorn lagna and the spiritual aspect. Thank you.Regards,Krishna On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: Dear Krishna, As we know there are many elements to consider. One thing I have noticed is that Capricorn lagna is most common in the horoscopes of enlightened souls...not surprising consideri ng that (sattva) Jupiter owns both 12th (moksha) bhava and 3rd (kama) bhava whilst lagnakaraka Sun, also a sattvic planet owns 8th (moksha) bhava whilst (sattva) Moon's lords over the 7th (kama) bhava. The other kama bhava (11th) is lorded by Mars who also owns the 4th (moksha) bhava. The connection between the kama and moksha houses is quite strong for Capricorn. Of course the chart as a whole needs to be supportive but it's indeed worth noting that many of our saints/seers have Capricorn rising. Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya .com============ ======= Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya .com============ ======= Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:19 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: extramarital affairs Dear Mrs. Wendy, We should be able to make out that if the desires of native are Satvik, Rajasik or Tamasik from a chart. Is it not? Have you tried to read a chart that way before? Regards,Krishna On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: Dear Nilesh, The last thing you should do is feel despondent by what has been said. Everybody, saints and sinners alike, has desires! Actually it's not possible to function in this world without desires. Saintly souls have desires for the betterment of humanity...many of us have desires for emancipation etc, etc.. As we know, 3rd indicates short-term desires whilst 11th indicates long-term desires or major goals in life. You should be encouraged by your horoscope and not feel despondent at all. Consider the moksha houses 4, 8, 12... You have MokshaKaraka Ketu's dispositor (Moon) occupying 8th moksha bhava in nakshatra of Ketu himself...what does this tell you about (your) long-term desires? You also have 12th moksha lord Sun occupying 4th moksha bhava (again) in nakshatra of Ketu whilst his dispositor (Jupiter) conjuncts lagnesh Mercury in the 3rd house of desires...this house BTW also governs initiatory instruction. ..receiving initiation is one of the greatest blessings we can have! It was during the dasa of 3rd/12th lord Jupiter that I travelled abroad and received initiation from my Guru. So please, don't be despondent about the desire houses...desires are necessary! Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya .com============ ======= __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4891 (20100223) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Friends, I have been looking at this thread with some interest. Shouldn't we consider the 9th [morality], the 4th [virtues] and the 12th [bed pleasures] more than the 7th? I ask this question because though 7th indicates spouse, people who have suffered at the hands of their spouses refrain from affairs--and others have flings even if they have good spouses. Also, let's not forget that as a general rule, if one's Sukra falls in the navamsa of Sani/Kuja (especially Vrichaka) one gets an unfaithful spouse. Of course, one should not apply this blindly! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Mr Balaji and others,All these matter a lot from a holistic perspective to understand minutely about martial affairs whether extra or not.When we look into a chart, 9th is most vital and this can never disrespected in analysis also emtions as arising out of 5th HFurther 7th as a Kendra has it's own role as basic insticnt of human being.4th also a speaks of awareness and implications(might call virtues) As some body said 12th is6th to 7th besides 2nd to 11th and also 9th to 4th.Once should not also over look://one should not apply this blindly! :-).you are right Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman"Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them"Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote:Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji Re: extramarital affairsjyotish-vidya Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:31 AM Friends, I have been looking at this thread with some interest. Shouldn't we consider the 9th [morality], the 4th [virtues] and the 12th [bed pleasures] more than the 7th? I ask this question because though 7th indicates spouse, people who have suffered at the hands of their spouses refrain from affairs--and others have flings even if they have good spouses. Also, let's not forget that as a general rule, if one's Sukra falls in the navamsa of Sani/Kuja (especially Vrichaka) one gets an unfaithful spouse. Of course, one should not apply this blindly! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji. ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Balaji, Very quickly (busy in the kitchen preparing evening meal); Here's a chart for you to ponder in regards to adultery. Male 19 Aug 1929 (13:25) Edinburgh, Scotland Lagna: Libra 16:58:20 Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== Balaji Narasimhan Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:31 PM jyotish-vidya Re: extramarital affairs Friends,I have been looking at this thread with some interest.Shouldn't we consider the 9th [morality], the 4th [virtues] and the 12th [bed pleasures] more than the 7th?I ask this question because though 7th indicates spouse, people who have suffered at the hands of their spouses refrain from affairs--and others have flings even if they have good spouses.Also, let's not forget that as a general rule, if one's Sukra falls in the navamsa of Sani/Kuja (especially Vrichaka) one gets an unfaithful spouse. Of course, one should not apply this blindly! :-)~~~~~~~~~Balaji NarasimhanAuthor & Editorhttp://www.balaji.ind.in/~~~~~~~~~ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4893 (20100224) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Wendyji and Group, The lord of 7th (mars) is in 12th house in Virgo. 12 th is the house of bed pleasures. The depositor as well as the nakshatra lord is in the 11th house - giving multiple partners.Lord of 11th house is in 11th with the lord of 12th . Rahu is in the 7th house. Mars is also in the 12th house in navamsa and the 7th lord of navamsa mercury is in the 8th house with rahu (compulsive behaviour) Mars is also aspected by Saturn who is at 1 degree and neecha in navamsa. Mars is also the lord of 2nd house of family happiness placed in the 12th The nakshstra lord of venus , Jupiter is in 8th the house of secrets. Warm Regards Nilesh jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Balaji, > > Very quickly (busy in the kitchen preparing evening meal); Here's a chart for you to ponder in regards to adultery. > > Male > 19 Aug 1929 (13:25) > Edinburgh, Scotland > Lagna: Libra 16:58:20 > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > Balaji Narasimhan > Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:31 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > Friends, > > I have been looking at this thread with some interest. > > Shouldn't we consider the 9th [morality], the 4th [virtues] and the 12th [bed pleasures] more than the 7th? > > I ask this question because though 7th indicates spouse, people who have suffered at the hands of their spouses refrain from affairs--and others have flings even if they have good spouses. > > Also, let's not forget that as a general rule, if one's Sukra falls in the navamsa of Sani/Kuja (especially Vrichaka) one gets an unfaithful spouse. Of course, one should not apply this blindly! :-) > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4893 (20100224) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 || om namo narayana || Namaskar Members, 1) If the 7 House Rahu is aspected by MARS, then it is worse. 2) Navamsa 7 L Mercury ( young )also joined with Rahu. 3) If 3rd H , 6th H , 8th or 12 house gets 2 Malefics Sambhandha, then I am doubtful about the native's nature. 4) Navamsa 2nd house has Kethu ( unsatisfaction ) with many planets. His Rahu dasa which is in Venus Star and Mars sign is worse. siva jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Balaji, > > Very quickly (busy in the kitchen preparing evening meal); Here's a chart for you to ponder in regards to adultery. > > Male > 19 Aug 1929 (13:25) > Edinburgh, Scotland > Lagna: Libra 16:58:20 > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > Balaji Narasimhan > Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:31 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > Friends, > > I have been looking at this thread with some interest. > > Shouldn't we consider the 9th [morality], the 4th [virtues] and the 12th [bed pleasures] more than the 7th? > > I ask this question because though 7th indicates spouse, people who have suffered at the hands of their spouses refrain from affairs--and others have flings even if they have good spouses. > > Also, let's not forget that as a general rule, if one's Sukra falls in the navamsa of Sani/Kuja (especially Vrichaka) one gets an unfaithful spouse. Of course, one should not apply this blindly! :-) > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4893 (20100224) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Nilesh, ///The lord of 7th (mars) is in 12th house in Virgo. 12 th is the house of bed pleasures. The depositor as well as the nakshatra lord is in the 11th house - giving multiple partners.Lord of 11th house is in 11th with the lord of 12th ./// As well as the obvious 'bed pleasures' 12th moksha bhava is primarily the house of loss. In this chart both 7th and 2nd lord occupy this house in nakshatra of 11th lord Sun. 12th lord Mercury (conj Sun) aspects 5th house of children and it's known that the native suffered loss of children for long periods due to family breakup (as a result of adulterous affairs). The complete separation from his eldest Son (first marriage) was around 36+ years...note also Jupiter in 8th. Two marriages/families suffered due to his adultery...his third wife died of cancer. A fourth marriage ensued after an affair with a married woman (who divorced her husband which devastated their grown children). This quickly ended in divorce and he now lives in a de-facto relationship with another woman. ///Mars is also in the 12th house in navamsa and the 7th lord of navamsa mercury is in the 8th house with rahu (compulsive behaviour)/// I don't believe we can assign houses to the vargas, likewise house lords. What I see is Mars occupying navamsha of Saturn who owns 4th/5th houses in Rasi. Note Saturn in retrograde motion in 3rd house (12th from 4th). As we know a house who's lord is retrograde is significantly weakened. Following this rule we can see, for instance, how 4th house significations such as moral virtues, honor etc can suffer. As for Rahu in navamsha; I see that he occupies the sign of Venus who happens to be his nakshatra lord. In Rasi 1st/9th lord Venus is star lord of both Rahu and 12th lord Mercury. It's a fact that his adulterous affairs involved women much younger than his spouse at the time...a case of trading-in his spouse for a younger model. With lagna lord Venus in own sign in 9th, the native has a charming suave personality...a modern day valentine! This placement along with 11th lord Sun in 11th gave a strong materialistic tendency...a great love of money, material comforts and opulence (9th). His spouses BTW were all uniquely religious-minded. I once said to him during a phone consultation (referring to Venus in 9th); "You worship the female shakti". He was quite honest and exclaimed with great surprise; "Yes, you're absolutely right!". Ketu dasa has seen a shift towards religion and he spends a great deal of time travelling (often) to India with his partner who is a meditation teacher. Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com=================== niljoshi27 Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:41 PM jyotish-vidya Re: extramarital affairs Dear Wendyji and Group,The lord of 7th (mars) is in 12th house in Virgo. 12 th is the house of bed pleasures.The depositor as well as the nakshatra lord is in the 11th house - giving multiple partners.Lord of 11th house is in 11th with the lord of 12th .Rahu is in the 7th house.Mars is also in the 12th house in navamsa and the 7th lord of navamsa mercury is in the 8th house with rahu (compulsive behaviour)Mars is also aspected by Saturn who is at 1 degree and neecha in navamsa. Mars is also the lord of 2nd house of family happiness placed in the 12th The nakshstra lord of venus , Jupiter is in 8th the house of secrets.Warm RegardsNileshjyotish-vidya , "Mrs.Wendy" <jyotishvidya wrote:>> Dear Balaji,> > Very quickly (busy in the kitchen preparing evening meal); Here's a chart for you to ponder in regards to adultery.> > Male> 19 Aug 1929 (13:25)> Edinburgh, Scotland> Lagna: Libra 16:58:20> > Best Wishes> Mrs.Wendy> http://JyotishVidya.com> =================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4896 (20100225) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Dear Wendyji, There is a lot to learn from what you have written, //I don't believe we can assign houses to the vargas, likewise house lords. What I see is Mars occupying navamsha of Saturn who owns 4th/5th houses in Rasi. Note Saturn in retrograde motion in 3rd house (12th from 4th). As we know a house who's lord is retrograde is significantly weakened. Following this rule we can see, for instance, how 4th house significations such as moral virtues, honor etc can suffer.// This way of using Navamsa and then looking at the natal horoscope is something I have to learn. Intrestingly I have one more horoscope which has many similarities to the one we are discussing. Following are the details, DOB: 18th Aug 1976 TOB : 10 .53 am Place of Birth : Mumbai This native has married just 2 years back,is highly educated with PhD in Chemistry Best Regards Nilesh jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Nilesh, > > ///The lord of 7th (mars) is in 12th house in Virgo. 12 th is the house of bed pleasures. > The depositor as well as the nakshatra lord is in the 11th house - giving multiple partners.Lord of 11th house is in 11th with the lord of 12th ./// > > As well as the obvious 'bed pleasures' 12th moksha bhava is primarily the house of loss. In this chart both 7th and 2nd lord occupy this house in nakshatra of 11th lord Sun. 12th lord Mercury (conj Sun) aspects 5th house of children and it's known that the native suffered loss of children for long periods due to family breakup (as a result of adulterous affairs). The complete separation from his eldest Son (first marriage) was around 36+ years...note also Jupiter in 8th. Two marriages/families suffered due to his adultery...his third wife died of cancer. A fourth marriage ensued after an affair with a married woman (who divorced her husband which devastated their grown children). This quickly ended in divorce and he now lives in a de-facto relationship with another woman. > > ///Mars is also in the 12th house in navamsa and the 7th lord of navamsa mercury is in the 8th house with rahu (compulsive behaviour)/// > > I don't believe we can assign houses to the vargas, likewise house lords. What I see is Mars occupying navamsha of Saturn who owns 4th/5th houses in Rasi. Note Saturn in retrograde motion in 3rd house (12th from 4th). As we know a house who's lord is retrograde is significantly weakened. Following this rule we can see, for instance, how 4th house significations such as moral virtues, honor etc can suffer. > > As for Rahu in navamsha; I see that he occupies the sign of Venus who happens to be his nakshatra lord. In Rasi 1st/9th lord Venus is star lord of both Rahu and 12th lord Mercury. It's a fact that his adulterous affairs involved women much younger than his spouse at the time...a case of trading-in his spouse for a younger model. > > With lagna lord Venus in own sign in 9th, the native has a charming suave personality...a modern day valentine! This placement along with 11th lord Sun in 11th gave a strong materialistic tendency...a great love of money, material comforts and opulence (9th). His spouses BTW were all uniquely religious-minded. > I once said to him during a phone consultation (referring to Venus in 9th); " You worship the female shakti " . He was quite honest and exclaimed with great surprise; " Yes, you're absolutely right! " . > > Ketu dasa has seen a shift towards religion and he spends a great deal of time travelling (often) to India with his partner who is a meditation teacher. > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > > niljoshi27 > Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:41 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > Dear Wendyji and Group, > > The lord of 7th (mars) is in 12th house in Virgo. 12 th is the house of bed pleasures. > The depositor as well as the nakshatra lord is in the 11th house - giving multiple partners.Lord of 11th house is in 11th with the lord of 12th . > Rahu is in the 7th house. > Mars is also in the 12th house in navamsa and the 7th lord of navamsa mercury is in the 8th house with rahu (compulsive behaviour) > Mars is also aspected by Saturn who is at 1 degree and neecha in navamsa. Mars is also the lord of 2nd house of family happiness placed in the 12th > > The nakshstra lord of venus , Jupiter is in 8th the house of secrets. > > Warm Regards > > Nilesh > > jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > Very quickly (busy in the kitchen preparing evening meal); Here's a chart for you to ponder in regards to adultery. > > > > Male > > 19 Aug 1929 (13:25) > > Edinburgh, Scotland > > Lagna: Libra 16:58:20 > > > > Best Wishes > > Mrs.Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > =================== > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4896 (20100225) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Dear Sheeavani Ji, // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. Regards, -Manoj Sheevani <sheevani147jyotish-vidya Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM Re: extramarital affairs Dear Ravindramani ji,Namaste,///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart> which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs///As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. .What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H?warmest regardsSheevanijyotish-vidya, "C.S. Ravindramani" <ravindramani@ ...> wrote:>> Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life.> The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind> springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and> desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since> 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of> mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires.> > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended> life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one> leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes> effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active> 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house> from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing> all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of> Turiya and finally the Moksha.> > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the> root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart> which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is> with Rahu or afflicted otherwise.> > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Dear Manoj-ji, Namaste. Thank you so much for your imput. As usual it is put across very well, and it is much appreciated. warmest regards Sheevani jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > Sheevani <sheevani147 > jyotish-vidya > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > Re: extramarital affairs > >  > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > Namaste, > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. . > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ....> wrote: > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji, A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to multiple relationships for the native. The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives? Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or, since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no other indication for such tendencies? blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > Sheevani <sheevani147 > jyotish-vidya > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > Re: extramarital affairs > >  > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > Namaste, > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. . > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ....> wrote: > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Dear All, I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) Yours, Vic DiCara On 2010/03/25, at 11:14, renunw wrote: > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji, > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to multiple relationships for the native. > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives? Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or, since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no other indication for such tendencies? > > blessings, > > Renu > > jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Sheevani <sheevani147 > > jyotish-vidya > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > >  > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. . > > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Dear Renu Ji, Just this one factor alone may not be enough. We have to look at other things like the 9L, Navamsha, 9L's strength in Navamsha, strength of 5L in Rashi & Navamsha as well as condition of Venus (if it is afflicted by Tamasic Grahas) and 7L & 7H. We need multiple indications to head in the direction of " affairs " . Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ renunw <renunw jyotish-vidya Wed, March 24, 2010 7:14:54 PM Re: extramarital affairs Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji, A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to multiple relationships for the native. The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives? Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or, since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no other indication for such tendencies? blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > jyotish-vidya > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > Re: extramarital affairs > >  > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > Namaste, > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. . > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ....> wrote: > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Dear Manoj ji, Thanks for clarifying amidst your busy schedule. So it does got an effect provided there are other indications too. Thanks again. blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Renu Ji, > > Just this one factor alone may not be enough. We have to look at other things like the 9L, Navamsha, 9L's strength in Navamsha, strength of 5L in Rashi & Navamsha as well as condition of Venus (if it is afflicted by Tamasic Grahas) and 7L & 7H. We need multiple indications to head in the direction of " affairs " . > > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > ________________________________ > renunw <renunw > jyotish-vidya > Wed, March 24, 2010 7:14:54 PM > Re: extramarital affairs > > > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji, > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to multiple relationships for the native. > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives? Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or, since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no other indication for such tendencies? > > blessings, > > Renu > > jyotish-vidya, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > jyotish-vidya > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > >  > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. . > > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Dear Vic DiCara ji, //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " // If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H? blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). > > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. > > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " > > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) > > Yours, > Vic DiCara > > On 2010/03/25, at 11:14, renunw wrote: > > > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji, > > > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to multiple relationships for the native. > > > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives? Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or, since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no other indication for such tendencies? > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > > > > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > > > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > > > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@> > > > jyotish-vidya > > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > > >  > > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > > > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. . > > > > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Dear Renu, If a house has many planets you can know that many areas of the person's life will take place within the context of that house. It could certainly be a contributing factor, having many planets in a kama triangle such as the third house. But in and of itself it is insufficient for a good conclusion as to weather or not the person enjoys multiple partners. Do note that the third house is not 7th from the 11th house. It is 5 houses from the 11th. Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas) Sincerely, Vic DiCara On 2010/03/26, at 12:00, renunw wrote: > Dear Vic DiCara ji, > > //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " // > > If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H? > > blessings, > > Renu > > jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). > > > > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. > > > > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " > > > > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) > > > > Yours, > > Vic DiCara > > > > On 2010/03/25, at 11:14, renunw wrote: > > > > > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to multiple relationships for the native. > > > > > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives? Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or, since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no other indication for such tendencies? > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > > > > > > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > > > > > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@> > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > > > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > > > > > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. . > > > > > > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Vic DiCara ji, Thanks so much for the explanations. Yes, I realize my mistake, 3H is the 5th from 11th. Stupid of me....It is one of the houses in the kama triangle....and obviously cannot be 7 houses away from the 11th. Thanks for pointing it out. blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear Renu, > > If a house has many planets you can know that many areas of the person's life will take place within the context of that house. It could certainly be a contributing factor, having many planets in a kama triangle such as the third house. But in and of itself it is insufficient for a good conclusion as to weather or not the person enjoys multiple partners. > > Do note that the third house is not 7th from the 11th house. It is 5 houses from the 11th. > > Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas) > > Sincerely, > Vic DiCara > > > On 2010/03/26, at 12:00, renunw wrote: > > > Dear Vic DiCara ji, > > > > //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " // > > > > If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H? > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). > > > > > > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. > > > > > > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " > > > > > > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) > > > > > > Yours, > > > Vic DiCara > > > > > > On 2010/03/25, at 11:14, renunw wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to multiple relationships for the native. > > > > > > > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives? Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or, since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no other indication for such tendencies? > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > > > > > > > > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > > > > > > > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@> > > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > > > > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > > > > > > > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. .. > > > > > > > > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > > > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > > > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > > > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > > > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > > > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > > > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > > > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > > > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > > > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > > > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > > > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > > > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > > > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > > > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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