Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Renu, ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage./// It would be helpful if you could put forward just one chart as an example of this. There are definitely prime indicators leading to extra-marital affairs (adultery) and it would be a good opportunity to point these out if we had actual charts to work with. Just assuming that planets in a particular house point to a certain tendency is not good enough, it's necessary to know what planets and what (other) houses are involved before any conclusion can be made...about anything. Dear Vic, ///In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house./// How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such historic figures. Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as you say, it is an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible to know the nakshatra pada etc, etc.. Also I'm curious as to the astronomical verifications of these planetary positions...what date and time was the actual occurrence, and what software calculates the years BCC with any verifiable accuracy. As you know Vic, Jyotish is a verifiable science based upon a precise mathematical formula. If this (mathematical formula) is questionable how can we assume a chart to be correct; let alone use it as a teaching platform. I hope you will respond to this query in the spirit in which it's asked as I really am curious to know how anyone can arrive at a correct birth data for such historical figures. ///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)/// I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ? Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== renunw Friday, March 26, 2010 11:00 AM jyotish-vidya Re: extramarital affairs Dear Vic DiCara ji, //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " // If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H? blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). > > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. > > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " > > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) > > Yours, > Vic DiCara __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4975 (20100325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Renu  " //3H is 7th to 11H?// " 3rd house is 5th to 11th. Is it not? and 5th house becomes 7th to 11th house.  savithri --- On Fri, 26/3/10, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya Re: Re: extramarital affairs jyotish-vidya Friday, 26 March, 2010, 2:49 AM  Dear Renu, ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage./// It would be helpful if you could put forward just one chart as an example of this. There are definitely prime indicators leading to extra-marital affairs (adultery) and it would be a good opportunity to point these out if we had actual charts to work with. Just assuming that planets in a particular house point to a certain tendency is not good enough, it's necessary to know what planets and what (other) houses are involved before any conclusion can be made...about anything. Dear Vic, ///In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house./// How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such historic figures. Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as you say, it is an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible to know the nakshatra pada etc, etc.. Also I'm curious as to the astronomical verifications of these planetary positions... what date and time was the actual occurrence, and what software calculates the years BCC with any verifiable accuracy. As you know Vic, Jyotish is a verifiable science based upon a precise mathematical formula. If this (mathematical formula) is questionable how can we assume a chart to be correct; let alone use it as a teaching platform. I hope you will respond to this query in the spirit in which it's asked as I really am curious to know how anyone can arrive at a correct birth data for such historical figures. ///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)/// I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ? Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ============ ======= renunw Friday, March 26, 2010 11:00 AM jyotish-vidya Re: extramarital affairs Dear Vic DiCara ji, //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " // If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H? blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya, Vic DiCara <vicdicara@. ..> wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). > > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. > > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " > > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) > > Yours, > Vic DiCara __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4975 (20100325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, > How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such historic figures. > It is described in old sanskrit. So by the same principles you are confident of things from BPHS I am confident of Krishna's horoscope. Kha Maniyak is cited describing Krishnas chart by the Mideval Vishvanath Chakravarti in his Sarartha Darshini tikka on Bhagavat Purana which is the authoritative version of Krishna's biography. > Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as you say, it is an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible to know the nakshatra pada etc, etc.. > The assessments I have made are fundamental principles which do not allude to navamsha padas etc. However by rectification I am fairly confident the Moon was at 18º Taurus and the ascendant very close perhaps also in the Gemini Navamsha. We can also know that Saturn and Venus were in the appropriate vaiseshikamsha to make vishnu tattva - therefore we can deduce their degrees. I am also a little suspicious that Jupiter was in the first pada of Revati. Not as sure about that one though. In the articles and videos we linked to recently I do cover some of these topics. Acknowledged that the exact positions are not known, therefore I do not recourse to techniques requiring such details. > Also I'm curious as to the astronomical verifications of these planetary positions...what date and time was the actual occurrence, and what software calculates the years BCC with any verifiable accuracy. > I am working on this. Worked on it in earnest for a while about a year ago. But have paused due to time constraints. As you have noted it is highly complex and ordinary software is not reliable entirely over that span of time. Adding to the complexity, however is that the Vedas describe that the planets can be made to move out of their orbit (see for example the description of Narasimhadeva fighting with Hiranyakashipu in the Bhagavat Purana) but the activities of Vishnu. Therefore Krishna may have made an astronomical impossibility happen for his birth. I am not sure. I need access to better software and I also need more time and some financial support to invest this time in the study which will require enormous time and effort. As mentioned though, for the rather simple purposes I have used, trusting the authority of sages and sticking for fundamental principles it has proved extremely enlightening and enjoyable to me to study Krishna's chart. > ///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)/// > > I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ? > Honestly, when I think back I think I may have first been introduced to this concept by you, Mrs. Wendy. I think you were describing the three gates to hell (a gita quote), relating them to houses 3, 6, and 11??? Anyway, it is from my understanding of what lust is - it is desire. The third house holds the persons natural ( " sahaj " ) moving from the 4th house (where it is rooted and deepest) towards the 1st - which is the physical self. It is therefore the sthana of desires, willpower, enthusisams, conpetitions and mars - all of which can be synonymous with " lust " . Sincerely, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Vic, ///Honestly, when I think back I think I may have first been introduced to this concept by you, Mrs. Wendy. I think you were describing the three gates to hell (a gita quote), relating them to houses 3, 6, and 11??? Anyway, it is from my understanding of what lust is - it is desire./// It's likely you've just misunderstood... Yes, 3rd is indeed one of the trishadaya bhavas and, like the 7th and 11th, is a kama (or desire) house. However, the desires associated with 3rd are not generally associated with 'lust' in the context of our current topic... more information available here: http://jyotishvidya.com/bhavas.htm In this context (lust/carnal pleasure) the most important bhavas are the 7th and 12th. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== Vic DiCara Friday, March 26, 2010 4:42 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: extramarital affairs Dear Mrs. Wendy, > How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such historic figures. > It is described in old sanskrit. So by the same principles you are confident of things from BPHS I am confident of Krishna's horoscope. Kha Maniyak is cited describing Krishnas chart by the Mideval Vishvanath Chakravarti in his Sarartha Darshini tikka on Bhagavat Purana which is the authoritative version of Krishna's biography. > Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as you say, it is an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible to know the nakshatra pada etc, etc.. > The assessments I have made are fundamental principles which do not allude to navamsha padas etc. However by rectification I am fairly confident the Moon was at 18º Taurus and the ascendant very close perhaps also in the Gemini Navamsha. We can also know that Saturn and Venus were in the appropriate vaiseshikamsha to make vishnu tattva - therefore we can deduce their degrees. I am also a little suspicious that Jupiter was in the first pada of Revati. Not as sure about that one though. In the articles and videos we linked to recently I do cover some of these topics. Acknowledged that the exact positions are not known, therefore I do not recourse to techniques requiring such details. > Also I'm curious as to the astronomical verifications of these planetary positions...what date and time was the actual occurrence, and what software calculates the years BCC with any verifiable accuracy. > I am working on this. Worked on it in earnest for a while about a year ago. But have paused due to time constraints. As you have noted it is highly complex and ordinary software is not reliable entirely over that span of time. Adding to the complexity, however is that the Vedas describe that the planets can be made to move out of their orbit (see for example the description of Narasimhadeva fighting with Hiranyakashipu in the Bhagavat Purana) but the activities of Vishnu. Therefore Krishna may have made an astronomical impossibility happen for his birth. I am not sure. I need access to better software and I also need more time and some financial support to invest this time in the study which will require enormous time and effort. As mentioned though, for the rather simple purposes I have used, trusting the authority of sages and sticking for fundamental principles it has proved extremely enlightening and enjoyable to me to study Krishna's chart. > ///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)/// > > I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ? > Honestly, when I think back I think I may have first been introduced to this concept by you, Mrs. Wendy. I think you were describing the three gates to hell (a gita quote), relating them to houses 3, 6, and 11??? Anyway, it is from my understanding of what lust is - it is desire. The third house holds the persons natural ( " sahaj " ) moving from the 4th house (where it is rooted and deepest) towards the 1st - which is the physical self. It is therefore the sthana of desires, willpower, enthusisams, conpetitions and mars - all of which can be synonymous with " lust " . Sincerely, Vic __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4976 (20100326) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Wendy ji, Thanks so much for your response and let me forward the chart I had in mind when I wrote the earlier post. Natal Chart February 5, 1962 Time: 9:40:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 80 E 38' 00 " , 7 N 17' 00 " Kandy, Sri Lanka This is a chart of a lady. What I mentioned earlier about her is a fact. blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Renu, > > ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage./// > > It would be helpful if you could put forward just one chart as an example of this. There are definitely prime indicators leading to extra-marital affairs (adultery) and it would be a good opportunity to point these out if we had actual charts to work with. Just assuming that planets in a particular house point to a certain tendency is not good enough, it's necessary to know what planets and what (other) houses are involved before any conclusion can be made...about anything. > > Dear Vic, > > ///In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house./// > > How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such historic figures. Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as you say, it is an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible to know the nakshatra pada etc, etc.. Also I'm curious as to the astronomical verifications of these planetary positions...what date and time was the actual occurrence, and what software calculates the years BCC with any verifiable accuracy. > > As you know Vic, Jyotish is a verifiable science based upon a precise mathematical formula. If this (mathematical formula) is questionable how can we assume a chart to be correct; let alone use it as a teaching platform. I hope you will respond to this query in the spirit in which it's asked as I really am curious to know how anyone can arrive at a correct birth data for such historical figures. > > ///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)/// > > I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ? > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > renunw > Friday, March 26, 2010 11:00 AM > jyotish-vidya > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > Dear Vic DiCara ji, > > //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " // > > If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H? > > blessings, > > Renu > > jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). > > > > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. > > > > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " > > > > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) > > > > Yours, > > Vic DiCara > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4975 (20100325) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Savithri ji, Yes, I got it all mixed up. Thanks for pointing it out. blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , SAVITHRI MAHESH <savithri_mahesh2000 wrote: > > Dear Renu >  > " //3H is 7th to 11H?// " > > 3rd house is 5th to 11th. Is it not? and 5th house becomes 7th to 11th house. >  > savithri > > --- On Fri, 26/3/10, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: > > > Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya > Re: Re: extramarital affairs > jyotish-vidya > Friday, 26 March, 2010, 2:49 AM > > >  > > > > Dear Renu, > > ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage./// > > It would be helpful if you could put forward just one chart as an example of this. There are definitely prime indicators leading to extra-marital affairs (adultery) and it would be a good opportunity to point these out if we had actual charts to work with. Just assuming that planets in a particular house point to a certain tendency is not good enough, it's necessary to know what planets and what (other) houses are involved before any conclusion can be made...about anything. > > Dear Vic, > > ///In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house./// > > How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such historic figures. Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as you say, it is an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible to know the nakshatra pada etc, etc.. Also I'm curious as to the astronomical verifications of these planetary positions... what date and time was the actual occurrence, and what software calculates the years BCC with any verifiable accuracy. > > As you know Vic, Jyotish is a verifiable science based upon a precise mathematical formula. If this (mathematical formula) is questionable how can we assume a chart to be correct; let alone use it as a teaching platform. I hope you will respond to this query in the spirit in which it's asked as I really am curious to know how anyone can arrive at a correct birth data for such historical figures. > > ///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)/// > > I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ? > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya .com > ============ ======= > > > renunw > Friday, March 26, 2010 11:00 AM > jyotish-vidya > Re: extramarital affairs > > Dear Vic DiCara ji, > > //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " // > > If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H? > > blessings, > > Renu > > jyotish-vidya, Vic DiCara <vicdicara@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). > > > > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. > > > > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " > > > > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) > > > > Yours, > > Vic DiCara > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4975 (20100325) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Renu, WOW!! Just a very quick note as I'm about to dish-up supper... How quickly can I type the main points - so much here! Importantly of course is 7th lord Mercury and 12th lord Saturn along with 7th karaka Venus all combust 6th lord Sun (12th from 7th). 5th lord Moon, dispositor of Rahu also joins this incredible conjunction. Note 5th, inclinations of the mind, is also known as the house of romance...a compulsion (obviously) for this native. Sorry, trying to cover as much as I can as quickly as I can...my husband is getting impatient. But I have to point to Mars, nakshatra lord of MO, ME, JU, VE and KE. Mars, as we know, is the planet of energy...all forms of energy, including sexual energy! Observe Mars moolatrikona sign (Aries) owns 8th from 7th! Must leave it here for now, thank you for posting such an interesting chart. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== renunw Friday, March 26, 2010 6:48 PM jyotish-vidya Re: extramarital affairs Dear Wendy ji, Thanks so much for your response and let me forward the chart I had in mind when I wrote the earlier post. Natal Chart February 5, 1962 Time: 9:40:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 80 E 38' 00 " , 7 N 17' 00 " Kandy, Sri Lanka This is a chart of a lady. What I mentioned earlier about her is a fact. blessings, Renu __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4976 (20100326) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Vic, //Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas)// Not necessarily. Please look at this example of this Gentleman, Charles Baudelaire. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Baudelaire,_Charles You will notice a concentration of planets in the 8H. You can read about his life and you will quickly see it was a life of excess and Scandal in every possible way. May be his future lives will give him the opportunity to turn things around !!! Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ Vic DiCara <vicdicara jyotish-vidya Thu, March 25, 2010 8:42:37 PM Re: Re: extramarital affairs Dear Renu, If a house has many planets you can know that many areas of the person's life will take place within the context of that house. It could certainly be a contributing factor, having many planets in a kama triangle such as the third house. But in and of itself it is insufficient for a good conclusion as to weather or not the person enjoys multiple partners. Do note that the third house is not 7th from the 11th house. It is 5 houses from the 11th. Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas) Sincerely, Vic DiCara On 2010/03/26, at 12:00, renunw wrote: > Dear Vic DiCara ji, > > //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " // > > If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H? > > blessings, > > Renu > > jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). > > > > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. > > > > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " > > > > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) > > > > Yours, > > Vic DiCara > > > > On 2010/03/25, at 11:14, renunw wrote: > > > > > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to multiple relationships for the native. > > > > > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives? Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or, since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no other indication for such tendencies? > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > > > > > > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > > > > > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@> > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > > > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > > > > > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. . > > > > > > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Wendy ji, That was concise but covered a lot. //Note 5th, inclinations of the mind, is also known as the house of romance...a compulsion (obviously) for this native.// You hit the nail on the head....romance is a compulsion for her. Her choice is special, may be you can guess that too. I have known this lady for more than 15 years, but now she is not in my neighbourhood. I don't think she has changed her ways... She is married and have two sons. //Observe Mars moolatrikona sign (Aries) owns 8th from 7th! // Thanks for this point, as it opened my eyes to analyse a chart yet from another angle:) blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Renu, > > WOW!! Just a very quick note as I'm about to dish-up supper... How quickly can I type the main points - so much here! Importantly of course is 7th lord Mercury and 12th lord Saturn along with 7th karaka Venus all combust 6th lord Sun (12th from 7th). 5th lord Moon, dispositor of Rahu also joins this incredible conjunction. Note 5th, inclinations of the mind, is also known as the house of romance...a compulsion (obviously) for this native. > > Sorry, trying to cover as much as I can as quickly as I can...my husband is getting impatient. But I have to point to Mars, nakshatra lord of MO, ME, JU, VE and KE. Mars, as we know, is the planet of energy...all forms of energy, including sexual energy! Observe Mars moolatrikona sign (Aries) owns 8th from 7th! > > Must leave it here for now, thank you for posting such an interesting chart. > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > renunw > Friday, March 26, 2010 6:48 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > Dear Wendy ji, > > Thanks so much for your response and let me forward the chart I had in mind when I wrote the earlier post. > > Natal Chart > > February 5, 1962 > Time: 9:40:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 80 E 38' 00 " , 7 N 17' 00 " > Kandy, Sri Lanka > > This is a chart of a lady. What I mentioned earlier about her is a fact. > > blessings, > > Renu > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4976 (20100326) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Renu and All, ///You hit the nail on the head....romance is a compulsion for her. Her choice is special, may be you can guess that too./// Being ever-mindful of the 'political correct' mode of this day and age, I won't comment directly on this native's choice, except to point to certain relevant factors... 1) Combust Venus in nakshatra of Mars occupies sign of Saturn... Parasara speaks directly to this. 2) Combust 4th/7th lord Mercury in retrograde motion... Bhavas who's lord is retrograde are significantly harmed/spoiled. 3) Attention needs to be given to the significations of 4th... Moral virtues, righteous conduct, character etc.. 4) All these planets in 11th denote that the native is drawn to certain communities/social circles that support her choices. 5) Combust lagnesh Jupiter in sign of debilitation also owns 10th house of reputation etc.. Again, many thanks for posting this chart. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== renunw Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:07 AM jyotish-vidya Re: extramarital affairs Dear Wendy ji, That was concise but covered a lot. //Note 5th, inclinations of the mind, is also known as the house of romance...a compulsion (obviously) for this native.// You hit the nail on the head....romance is a compulsion for her. Her choice is special, may be you can guess that too. I have known this lady for more than 15 years, but now she is not in my neighbourhood. I don't think she has changed her ways... She is married and have two sons. //Observe Mars moolatrikona sign (Aries) owns 8th from 7th! // Thanks for this point, as it opened my eyes to analyse a chart yet from another angle:) blessings, Renu __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Wendy ji, Thanks and I can only say you are correct in each and every point. True, her reputation is not anything we would like to boast about. For those who are interested to study her chart, she prefers young boys! blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Renu and All, > > ///You hit the nail on the head....romance is a compulsion for her. Her choice is special, may be you can guess that too./// > > Being ever-mindful of the 'political correct' mode of this day and age, I won't comment directly on this native's choice, except to point to certain relevant factors... > > 1) Combust Venus in nakshatra of Mars occupies sign of Saturn... Parasara speaks directly to this. > 2) Combust 4th/7th lord Mercury in retrograde motion... Bhavas who's lord is retrograde are significantly harmed/spoiled. > 3) Attention needs to be given to the significations of 4th... Moral virtues, righteous conduct, character etc.. > 4) All these planets in 11th denote that the native is drawn to certain communities/social circles that support her choices. > 5) Combust lagnesh Jupiter in sign of debilitation also owns 10th house of reputation etc.. > > Again, many thanks for posting this chart. > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > renunw > Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:07 AM > jyotish-vidya > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > Dear Wendy ji, > > That was concise but covered a lot. > > //Note 5th, inclinations of the mind, is also known as the house of > romance...a compulsion (obviously) for this native.// > > You hit the nail on the head....romance is a compulsion for her. Her choice is special, may be you can guess that too. > > I have known this lady for more than 15 years, but now she is not in my neighbourhood. I don't think she has changed her ways... > > She is married and have two sons. > > //Observe Mars moolatrikona sign (Aries) owns 8th from 7th! // > > Thanks for this point, as it opened my eyes to analyse a chart yet from another angle:) > > blessings, > > Renu > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Renu, ///For those who are interested to study her chart, she prefers young boys!/// This is truly a most dreadful sin! Bear in mind that swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign. As we know the 12th governs such things as pleasures of the bed, fall from grace, sin etc.. Note also the debility of combust Jupiter (significator of all children) and the position of Rahu in 5th occupying nakshatra of Mercury, the younger planet. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== renunw Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:10 PM jyotish-vidya Re: extramarital affairs Dear Wendy ji, Thanks and I can only say you are correct in each and every point. True, her reputation is not anything we would like to boast about. For those who are interested to study her chart, she prefers young boys! blessings, Renu __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Wendy ji, Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart. Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed very very sad. //swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.// Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of analyzing a chart! blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Renu, > > ///For those who are interested to study her chart, she prefers young boys!/// > > This is truly a most dreadful sin! Bear in mind that swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign. As we know the 12th governs such things as pleasures of the bed, fall from grace, sin etc.. Note also the debility of combust Jupiter (significator of all children) and the position of Rahu in 5th occupying nakshatra of Mercury, the younger planet. > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > > renunw > Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:10 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > Dear Wendy ji, > > Thanks and I can only say you are correct in each and every point. True, her reputation is not anything we would like to boast about. > > For those who are interested to study her chart, she prefers young boys! > > blessings, > > Renu > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Mr Manoj and others, having many planets in a house may enhance or reduce significations of bhava.what matters however relationship of these planets with house lord or nakshtralords. As we also in a bhava chart,some of these planets may tend to give effects of previous house or next house. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Re: Re: extramarital affairs jyotish-vidya Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:05 AM  Dear Vic, //Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas) // Not necessarily. Please look at this example of this Gentleman, Charles Baudelaire. http://www.astro. com/astro- databank/ Baudelaire, _Charles You will notice a concentration of planets in the 8H. You can read about his life and you will quickly see it was a life of excess and Scandal in every possible way. May be his future lives will give him the opportunity to turn things around !!!  Regards,  -Manoj  ____________ _________ _________ __ Vic DiCara <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> jyotish-vidya Thu, March 25, 2010 8:42:37 PM Re: Re: extramarital affairs Dear Renu, If a house has many planets you can know that many areas of the person's life will take place within the context of that house. It could certainly be a contributing factor, having many planets in a kama triangle such as the third house. But in and of itself it is insufficient for a good conclusion as to weather or not the person enjoys multiple partners. Do note that the third house is not 7th from the 11th house. It is 5 houses from the 11th. Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas) Sincerely, Vic DiCara On 2010/03/26, at 12:00, renunw wrote: > Dear Vic DiCara ji, > > //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " // > > If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H? > > blessings, > > Renu > > jyotish-vidya, Vic DiCara <vicdicara@. ..> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). > > > > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. > > > > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " > > > > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) > > > > Yours, > > Vic DiCara > > > > On 2010/03/25, at 11:14, renunw wrote: > > > > > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to multiple relationships for the native. > > > > > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives? Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or, since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no other indication for such tendencies? > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > > > > > > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > > > > > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ > > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > > > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > > > > > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. . > > > > > > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Renu, ///Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled..../// In all honesty, although the position of Venus in sign of Saturn and occupying nakshatra of Mars (etc, etc.) did point to some deviation from the norm, I never considered this possibility for a moment! Based on your earlier post (below) I assumed that the term 'affairs' implied something between two consenting adults...which itself is bad enough considering the native's married status. A good lesson not to make assumptions! You Wrote: ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage./// Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== renunw Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:20 PM jyotish-vidya Re: extramarital affairs Dear Wendy ji, Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart. Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed very very sad. //swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.// Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of analyzing a chart! blessings, Renu __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Wendy ji, True, my earlier statement is kind of misleading. I should not have used the word 'affairs' as her relationships does not fall exactly to this category. Anyway learnt quite a lot on how to judge natives deviating from the normal route, which would be immensely helpful when the charts of prospective grooms are considered for young ladies. Thanks Wendy ji:) blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Renu, > > ///Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled..../// > > In all honesty, although the position of Venus in sign of Saturn and occupying nakshatra of Mars (etc, etc.) did point to some deviation from the norm, I never considered this possibility for a moment! Based on your earlier post (below) I assumed that the term 'affairs' implied something between two consenting adults...which itself is bad enough considering the native's married status. > > A good lesson not to make assumptions! > > You Wrote: > ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage./// > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > > renunw > Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:20 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > > Dear Wendy ji, > > Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart. Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed very very sad. > > //swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.// > > Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of analyzing a chart! > > blessings, > > Renu > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Renuji and Wendy ji, Perhaps we should also look at the condition of Jupiter in this chart too, It is representing self(lagnesh) as well as being karka for wisdom Jupiter being debilitated and combust is most unfortuanate. warmest regards Sheevani jyotish-vidya , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Dear Wendy ji, > > True, my earlier statement is kind of misleading. I should not have used the word 'affairs' as her relationships does not fall exactly to this category. > > Anyway learnt quite a lot on how to judge natives deviating from the normal route, which would be immensely helpful when the charts of prospective grooms are considered for young ladies. > > Thanks Wendy ji:) > > blessings, > > Renu > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Renu, > > > > ///Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled..../// > > > > In all honesty, although the position of Venus in sign of Saturn and occupying nakshatra of Mars (etc, etc.) did point to some deviation from the norm, I never considered this possibility for a moment! Based on your earlier post (below) I assumed that the term 'affairs' implied something between two consenting adults...which itself is bad enough considering the native's married status. > > > > A good lesson not to make assumptions! > > > > You Wrote: > > ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage./// > > > > Best Wishes > > Mrs.Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > =================== > > > > > > > > > > renunw > > Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:20 PM > > jyotish-vidya > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy ji, > > > > Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart. Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed very very sad. > > > > //swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.// > > > > Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of analyzing a chart! > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Sheevani ji, You write //Jupiter being debilitated and combust is most unfortuanate.// and Wendy ji says, //Combust lagnesh Jupiter in sign of debilitation also owns 10th house of reputation etc..// Also Ju has moved 8 houses in navamsha. Yet another negative point. blessings, Renu jyotish-vidya , " Sheevani " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear Renuji and Wendy ji, > > Perhaps we should also look at the condition of Jupiter in this chart too, It is representing self(lagnesh) as well as being karka for wisdom > > Jupiter being debilitated and combust is most unfortuanate. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > jyotish-vidya , " renunw " <renunw@> wrote: > > > > Dear Wendy ji, > > > > True, my earlier statement is kind of misleading. I should not have used the word 'affairs' as her relationships does not fall exactly to this category. > > > > Anyway learnt quite a lot on how to judge natives deviating from the normal route, which would be immensely helpful when the charts of prospective grooms are considered for young ladies. > > > > Thanks Wendy ji:) > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu, > > > > > > ///Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled..../// > > > > > > In all honesty, although the position of Venus in sign of Saturn and occupying nakshatra of Mars (etc, etc.) did point to some deviation from the norm, I never considered this possibility for a moment! Based on your earlier post (below) I assumed that the term 'affairs' implied something between two consenting adults...which itself is bad enough considering the native's married status. > > > > > > A good lesson not to make assumptions! > > > > > > You Wrote: > > > ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage./// > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > Mrs.Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > =================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw > > > Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:20 PM > > > jyotish-vidya > > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy ji, > > > > > > Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart. Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed very very sad. > > > > > > //swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.// > > > > > > Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of analyzing a chart! > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Renu ji, Namaste, That is exactly my point here, lagnesh is also karmesh(actions) and jupiter is debilitated and combust, hence she indulges in activities that are inappropriate or disgraceful. warmest regards Sheevani jyotish-vidya , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > You write > > //Jupiter being debilitated and combust is most unfortuanate.// > > and Wendy ji says, > > //Combust lagnesh Jupiter in sign of debilitation also owns 10th house of reputation etc..// > > Also Ju has moved 8 houses in navamsha. Yet another negative point. > > blessings, > > Renu > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Sheevani " <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > Dear Renuji and Wendy ji, > > > > Perhaps we should also look at the condition of Jupiter in this chart too, It is representing self(lagnesh) as well as being karka for wisdom > > > > Jupiter being debilitated and combust is most unfortuanate. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > jyotish-vidya , " renunw " <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Wendy ji, > > > > > > True, my earlier statement is kind of misleading. I should not have used the word 'affairs' as her relationships does not fall exactly to this category. > > > > > > Anyway learnt quite a lot on how to judge natives deviating from the normal route, which would be immensely helpful when the charts of prospective grooms are considered for young ladies. > > > > > > Thanks Wendy ji:) > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Renu, > > > > > > > > ///Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled..../// > > > > > > > > In all honesty, although the position of Venus in sign of Saturn and occupying nakshatra of Mars (etc, etc.) did point to some deviation from the norm, I never considered this possibility for a moment! Based on your earlier post (below) I assumed that the term 'affairs' implied something between two consenting adults...which itself is bad enough considering the native's married status. > > > > > > > > A good lesson not to make assumptions! > > > > > > > > You Wrote: > > > > ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage./// > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Mrs.Wendy > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > =================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw > > > > Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:20 PM > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart. Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed very very sad. > > > > > > > > //swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.// > > > > > > > > Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of analyzing a chart! > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ > > > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Dear Mr.Krishnan, Thank you for your educative comments.  Regards,  -Manoj  ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 jyotish-vidya Sat, March 27, 2010 12:29:54 AM Re: Re: extramarital affairs  Dear Mr Manoj and others, having many planets in a house may enhance or reduce significations of bhava.what matters however relationship of these planets with house lord or nakshtralords. As we also in a bhava chart,some of these planets may tend to give effects of previous house or next house. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Re: Re: extramarital affairs jyotish-vidya Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:05 AM  Dear Vic, //Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas) // Not necessarily. Please look at this example of this Gentleman, Charles Baudelaire. http://www.astro. com/astro- databank/ Baudelaire, _Charles You will notice a concentration of planets in the 8H. You can read about his life and you will quickly see it was a life of excess and Scandal in every possible way. May be his future lives will give him the opportunity to turn things around !!!  Regards,  -Manoj  ____________ _________ _________ __ Vic DiCara <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> jyotish-vidya Thu, March 25, 2010 8:42:37 PM Re: Re: extramarital affairs Dear Renu, If a house has many planets you can know that many areas of the person's life will take place within the context of that house. It could certainly be a contributing factor, having many planets in a kama triangle such as the third house. But in and of itself it is insufficient for a good conclusion as to weather or not the person enjoys multiple partners. Do note that the third house is not 7th from the 11th house. It is 5 houses from the 11th. Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas) Sincerely, Vic DiCara On 2010/03/26, at 12:00, renunw wrote: > Dear Vic DiCara ji, > > //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " // > > If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H? > > blessings, > > Renu > > jyotish-vidya, Vic DiCara <vicdicara@. ..> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108 spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord). > > > > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house. > > > > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and 11th are the " kaama triangle. " > > > > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus) > > > > Yours, > > Vic DiCara > > > > On 2010/03/25, at 11:14, renunw wrote: > > > > > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to multiple relationships for the native. > > > > > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives? Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or, since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no other indication for such tendencies? > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji, > > > > > > > > // As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. // > > > > > > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house and Me by nature is a multiplier. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ > > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM > > > > Re: extramarital affairs > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs/// > > > > > > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. . > > > > > > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H? > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human life. > > > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings. Mind > > > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey and > > > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires, since > > > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of peace of > > > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a contended > > > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life and one > > > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes > > > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires, active > > > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th house > > > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of losing > > > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the state of > > > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is the > > > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart > > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus is > > > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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