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Dear Renu,

 

///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage.///

 

It would be helpful if you could put forward just one chart as an example of

this. There are definitely prime indicators leading to extra-marital affairs

(adultery) and it would be a good opportunity to point these out if we had

actual charts to work with. Just assuming that planets in a particular house

point to a certain tendency is not good enough, it's necessary to know what

planets and what (other) houses are involved before any conclusion can be

made...about anything.

 

Dear Vic,

 

///In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity)

dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the

11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house).

Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.///

 

How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such

historic figures. Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as

you say, it is an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible

to know the nakshatra pada etc, etc.. Also I'm curious as to the astronomical

verifications of these planetary positions...what date and time was the actual

occurrence, and what software calculates the years BCC with any verifiable

accuracy.

 

As you know Vic, Jyotish is a verifiable science based upon a precise

mathematical formula. If this (mathematical formula) is questionable how can we

assume a chart to be correct; let alone use it as a teaching platform. I hope

you will respond to this query in the spirit in which it's asked as I really am

curious to know how anyone can arrive at a correct birth data for such

historical figures.

 

///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)///

 

I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ?

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

===================

 

 

 

renunw

Friday, March 26, 2010 11:00 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: extramarital affairs

 

 

 

Dear Vic DiCara ji,

 

//The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " //

 

If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely

lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are

placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H?

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an

interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of

spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the

traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108

spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal

number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord).

>

> In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity)

dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the

11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house).

Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.

>

> Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and

11th are the " kaama triangle. "

>

> The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and

11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very

close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Renu

 

" //3H is 7th to 11H?// "

 

3rd house is 5th to 11th. Is it not? and 5th house becomes 7th to 11th house.

 

savithri

 

--- On Fri, 26/3/10, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

 

Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya

Re: Re: extramarital affairs

jyotish-vidya

Friday, 26 March, 2010, 2:49 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Renu,

 

///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage.///

 

It would be helpful if you could put forward just one chart as an example of

this. There are definitely prime indicators leading to extra-marital affairs

(adultery) and it would be a good opportunity to point these out if we had

actual charts to work with. Just assuming that planets in a particular house

point to a certain tendency is not good enough, it's necessary to know what

planets and what (other) houses are involved before any conclusion can be

made...about anything.

 

Dear Vic,

 

///In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity)

dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the

11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house).

Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.///

 

How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such

historic figures. Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as

you say, it is an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible

to know the nakshatra pada etc, etc.. Also I'm curious as to the astronomical

verifications of these planetary positions... what date and time was the actual

occurrence, and what software calculates the years BCC with any verifiable

accuracy.

 

As you know Vic, Jyotish is a verifiable science based upon a precise

mathematical formula. If this (mathematical formula) is questionable how can we

assume a chart to be correct; let alone use it as a teaching platform. I hope

you will respond to this query in the spirit in which it's asked as I really am

curious to know how anyone can arrive at a correct birth data for such

historical figures.

 

///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)///

 

I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ?

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

============ =======

 

 

renunw

Friday, March 26, 2010 11:00 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: extramarital affairs

 

Dear Vic DiCara ji,

 

//The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " //

 

If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely

lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are

placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H?

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

jyotish-vidya, Vic DiCara <vicdicara@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an

interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of

spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the

traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108

spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal

number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord).

>

> In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity)

dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the

11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house).

Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.

>

> Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and

11th are the " kaama triangle. "

>

> The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th and

11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house, very

close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

> How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such

historic figures.

>

It is described in old sanskrit. So by the same principles you are confident of

things from BPHS I am confident of Krishna's horoscope. Kha Maniyak is cited

describing Krishnas chart by the Mideval Vishvanath Chakravarti in his Sarartha

Darshini tikka on Bhagavat Purana which is the authoritative version of

Krishna's biography.

 

 

> Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as you say, it is

an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible to know the

nakshatra pada etc, etc..

>

The assessments I have made are fundamental principles which do not allude to

navamsha padas etc.

 

However by rectification I am fairly confident the Moon was at 18º Taurus and

the ascendant very close perhaps also in the Gemini Navamsha. We can also know

that Saturn and Venus were in the appropriate vaiseshikamsha to make vishnu

tattva - therefore we can deduce their degrees. I am also a little suspicious

that Jupiter was in the first pada of Revati. Not as sure about that one though.

 

In the articles and videos we linked to recently I do cover some of these

topics.

 

Acknowledged that the exact positions are not known, therefore I do not recourse

to techniques requiring such details.

 

 

> Also I'm curious as to the astronomical verifications of these planetary

positions...what date and time was the actual occurrence, and what software

calculates the years BCC with any verifiable accuracy.

>

I am working on this. Worked on it in earnest for a while about a year ago. But

have paused due to time constraints. As you have noted it is highly complex and

ordinary software is not reliable entirely over that span of time.

 

Adding to the complexity, however is that the Vedas describe that the planets

can be made to move out of their orbit (see for example the description of

Narasimhadeva fighting with Hiranyakashipu in the Bhagavat Purana) but the

activities of Vishnu. Therefore Krishna may have made an astronomical

impossibility happen for his birth. I am not sure. I need access to better

software and I also need more time and some financial support to invest this

time in the study which will require enormous time and effort.

 

As mentioned though, for the rather simple purposes I have used, trusting the

authority of sages and sticking for fundamental principles it has proved

extremely enlightening and enjoyable to me to study Krishna's chart.

 

> ///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)///

>

> I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ?

>

Honestly, when I think back I think I may have first been introduced to this

concept by you, Mrs. Wendy. I think you were describing the three gates to hell

(a gita quote), relating them to houses 3, 6, and 11??? Anyway, it is from my

understanding of what lust is - it is desire. The third house holds the persons

natural ( " sahaj " ) moving from the 4th house (where it is rooted and deepest)

towards the 1st - which is the physical self. It is therefore the sthana of

desires, willpower, enthusisams, conpetitions and mars - all of which can be

synonymous with " lust " .

 

Sincerely,

Vic

 

 

 

 

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Dear Vic,

 

///Honestly, when I think back I think I may have first been introduced to this

concept by you, Mrs. Wendy. I think you were describing the three gates to hell

(a gita quote), relating them to houses 3, 6, and 11??? Anyway, it is from my

understanding of what lust is - it is desire.///

 

It's likely you've just misunderstood... Yes, 3rd is indeed one of the

trishadaya bhavas and, like the 7th and 11th, is a kama (or desire) house.

However, the desires associated with 3rd are not generally associated with

'lust' in the context of our current topic... more information available here:

http://jyotishvidya.com/bhavas.htm

 

In this context (lust/carnal pleasure) the most important bhavas are the 7th and

12th.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

===================

 

 

 

 

Vic DiCara

Friday, March 26, 2010 4:42 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: extramarital affairs

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

> How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such

historic figures.

>

It is described in old sanskrit. So by the same principles you are confident of

things from BPHS I am confident of Krishna's horoscope. Kha Maniyak is cited

describing Krishnas chart by the Mideval Vishvanath Chakravarti in his Sarartha

Darshini tikka on Bhagavat Purana which is the authoritative version of

Krishna's biography.

 

> Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as you say, it is

an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible to know the

nakshatra pada etc, etc..

>

The assessments I have made are fundamental principles which do not allude to

navamsha padas etc.

 

However by rectification I am fairly confident the Moon was at 18º Taurus and

the ascendant very close perhaps also in the Gemini Navamsha. We can also know

that Saturn and Venus were in the appropriate vaiseshikamsha to make vishnu

tattva - therefore we can deduce their degrees. I am also a little suspicious

that Jupiter was in the first pada of Revati. Not as sure about that one though.

 

In the articles and videos we linked to recently I do cover some of these

topics.

 

Acknowledged that the exact positions are not known, therefore I do not recourse

to techniques requiring such details.

 

> Also I'm curious as to the astronomical verifications of these planetary

positions...what date and time was the actual occurrence, and what software

calculates the years BCC with any verifiable accuracy.

>

I am working on this. Worked on it in earnest for a while about a year ago. But

have paused due to time constraints. As you have noted it is highly complex and

ordinary software is not reliable entirely over that span of time.

 

Adding to the complexity, however is that the Vedas describe that the planets

can be made to move out of their orbit (see for example the description of

Narasimhadeva fighting with Hiranyakashipu in the Bhagavat Purana) but the

activities of Vishnu. Therefore Krishna may have made an astronomical

impossibility happen for his birth. I am not sure. I need access to better

software and I also need more time and some financial support to invest this

time in the study which will require enormous time and effort.

 

As mentioned though, for the rather simple purposes I have used, trusting the

authority of sages and sticking for fundamental principles it has proved

extremely enlightening and enjoyable to me to study Krishna's chart.

 

> ///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)///

>

> I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ?

>

Honestly, when I think back I think I may have first been introduced to this

concept by you, Mrs. Wendy. I think you were describing the three gates to hell

(a gita quote), relating them to houses 3, 6, and 11??? Anyway, it is from my

understanding of what lust is - it is desire. The third house holds the persons

natural ( " sahaj " ) moving from the 4th house (where it is rooted and deepest)

towards the 1st - which is the physical self. It is therefore the sthana of

desires, willpower, enthusisams, conpetitions and mars - all of which can be

synonymous with " lust " .

 

Sincerely,

Vic

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy ji,

 

Thanks so much for your response and let me forward the chart I had in mind when

I wrote the earlier post.

 

Natal Chart

 

February 5, 1962

Time: 9:40:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 80 E 38' 00 " , 7 N 17' 00 "

Kandy, Sri Lanka

 

This is a chart of a lady. What I mentioned earlier about her is a fact.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Renu,

>

> ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage.///

>

> It would be helpful if you could put forward just one chart as an example of

this. There are definitely prime indicators leading to extra-marital affairs

(adultery) and it would be a good opportunity to point these out if we had

actual charts to work with. Just assuming that planets in a particular house

point to a certain tendency is not good enough, it's necessary to know what

planets and what (other) houses are involved before any conclusion can be

made...about anything.

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> ///In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and

multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore

aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the

11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.///

>

> How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such

historic figures. Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as

you say, it is an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible

to know the nakshatra pada etc, etc.. Also I'm curious as to the astronomical

verifications of these planetary positions...what date and time was the actual

occurrence, and what software calculates the years BCC with any verifiable

accuracy.

>

> As you know Vic, Jyotish is a verifiable science based upon a precise

mathematical formula. If this (mathematical formula) is questionable how can we

assume a chart to be correct; let alone use it as a teaching platform. I hope

you will respond to this query in the spirit in which it's asked as I really am

curious to know how anyone can arrive at a correct birth data for such

historical figures.

>

> ///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)///

>

> I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ?

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

> renunw

> Friday, March 26, 2010 11:00 AM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: extramarital affairs

>

>

>

> Dear Vic DiCara ji,

>

> //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " //

>

> If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely

lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are

placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H?

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an

interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of

spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the

traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108

spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal

number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord).

> >

> > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity)

dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the

11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house).

Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.

> >

> > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and

11th are the " kaama triangle. "

> >

> > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)

> >

> > Yours,

> > Vic DiCara

>

>

>

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Dear Savithri ji,

 

Yes, I got it all mixed up. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

jyotish-vidya , SAVITHRI MAHESH <savithri_mahesh2000

wrote:

>

> Dear Renu

>  

> " //3H is 7th to 11H?// "

>

> 3rd house is 5th to 11th. Is it not? and 5th house becomes 7th to 11th house.

>  

> savithri

>

> --- On Fri, 26/3/10, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

>

> Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya

> Re: Re: extramarital affairs

> jyotish-vidya

> Friday, 26 March, 2010, 2:49 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Renu,

>

> ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage.///

>

> It would be helpful if you could put forward just one chart as an example of

this. There are definitely prime indicators leading to extra-marital affairs

(adultery) and it would be a good opportunity to point these out if we had

actual charts to work with. Just assuming that planets in a particular house

point to a certain tendency is not good enough, it's necessary to know what

planets and what (other) houses are involved before any conclusion can be

made...about anything.

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> ///In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and

multiplicity) dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore

aspecting the 11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the

11th house). Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.///

>

> How can there possibly be any certainty when it comes to the charts of such

historic figures. Even if you feel confident that the planets are positioned as

you say, it is an incomplete chart i.e. no degrees are given so it's impossible

to know the nakshatra pada etc, etc.. Also I'm curious as to the astronomical

verifications of these planetary positions... what date and time was the actual

occurrence, and what software calculates the years BCC with any verifiable

accuracy.

>

> As you know Vic, Jyotish is a verifiable science based upon a precise

mathematical formula. If this (mathematical formula) is questionable how can we

assume a chart to be correct; let alone use it as a teaching platform. I hope

you will respond to this query in the spirit in which it's asked as I really am

curious to know how anyone can arrive at a correct birth data for such

historical figures.

>

> ///The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)///

>

> I'm also curious as to why would you assign 'lust' to the 3rd ?

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya .com

> ============ =======

>

>

> renunw

> Friday, March 26, 2010 11:00 AM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: extramarital affairs

>

> Dear Vic DiCara ji,

>

> //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " //

>

> If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely

lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are

placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H?

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> jyotish-vidya, Vic DiCara <vicdicara@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an

interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of

spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the

traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108

spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal

number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord).

> >

> > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity)

dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the

11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house).

Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.

> >

> > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and

11th are the " kaama triangle. "

> >

> > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)

> >

> > Yours,

> > Vic DiCara

>

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Dear Renu,

 

WOW!! Just a very quick note as I'm about to dish-up supper... How quickly can I

type the main points - so much here! Importantly of course is 7th lord Mercury

and 12th lord Saturn along with 7th karaka Venus all combust 6th lord Sun (12th

from 7th). 5th lord Moon, dispositor of Rahu also joins this incredible

conjunction. Note 5th, inclinations of the mind, is also known as the house of

romance...a compulsion (obviously) for this native.

 

Sorry, trying to cover as much as I can as quickly as I can...my husband is

getting impatient. But I have to point to Mars, nakshatra lord of MO, ME, JU, VE

and KE. Mars, as we know, is the planet of energy...all forms of energy,

including sexual energy! Observe Mars moolatrikona sign (Aries) owns 8th from

7th!

 

Must leave it here for now, thank you for posting such an interesting chart.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

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Friday, March 26, 2010 6:48 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: extramarital affairs

 

 

 

Dear Wendy ji,

 

Thanks so much for your response and let me forward the chart I had in mind when

I wrote the earlier post.

 

Natal Chart

 

February 5, 1962

Time: 9:40:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 80 E 38' 00 " , 7 N 17' 00 "

Kandy, Sri Lanka

 

This is a chart of a lady. What I mentioned earlier about her is a fact.

 

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Dear Vic,

 

//Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce

an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz.

parivrajak-yogas)//

 

Not necessarily. Please look at this example of this Gentleman, Charles

Baudelaire.

 

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Baudelaire,_Charles

 

You will notice a concentration of planets in the 8H. You can read about his

life and you will quickly see it was a life of excess and Scandal in every

possible way. May be his future lives will give him the opportunity to turn

things around !!!

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

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jyotish-vidya

Thu, March 25, 2010 8:42:37 PM

Re: Re: extramarital affairs

 

Dear Renu,

 

If a house has many planets you can know that many areas of the person's life

will take place within the context of that house. It could certainly be a

contributing factor, having many planets in a kama triangle such as the third

house. But in and of itself it is insufficient for a good conclusion as to

weather or not the person enjoys multiple partners.

 

Do note that the third house is not 7th from the 11th house. It is 5 houses from

the 11th.

 

Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an

instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas)

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

 

 

On 2010/03/26, at 12:00, renunw wrote:

 

> Dear Vic DiCara ji,

>

> //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " //

>

> If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely

lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are

placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H?

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> jyotish-vidya , Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an

interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of

spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the

traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108

spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal

number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord).

> >

> > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity)

dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the

11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house).

Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.

> >

> > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and

11th are the " kaama triangle. "

> >

> > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)

> >

> > Yours,

> > Vic DiCara

> >

> > On 2010/03/25, at 11:14, renunw wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji,

> > >

> > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will

kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to

multiple relationships for the native.

> > >

> > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives?

Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or,

since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no

other indication for such tendencies?

> > >

> > > blessings,

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji,

> > > >

> > > > //Â As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other

relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships.

//

> > > >

> > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple

relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to

have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L

and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination

for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house

and Me by nature is a multiplier.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Â -Manoj

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@>

> > > > jyotish-vidya

> > > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM

> > > > Re: extramarital affairs

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Ravindramani ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart

> > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs///

> > > >

> > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations,

whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. .

> > > >

> > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and

sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H?

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani "

<ravindramani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human

life.

> > > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings.

Mind

> > > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey

and

> > > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires,

since

> > > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of

peace of

> > > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a

contended

> > > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life

and one

> > > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes

> > > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires,

active

> > > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th

house

> > > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of

losing

> > > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the

state of

> > > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is

the

> > > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a

chart

> > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus

is

> > > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Wendy ji,

 

That was concise but covered a lot.

 

//Note 5th, inclinations of the mind, is also known as the house of

romance...a compulsion (obviously) for this native.//

 

You hit the nail on the head....romance is a compulsion for her. Her choice is

special, may be you can guess that too.

 

I have known this lady for more than 15 years, but now she is not in my

neighbourhood. I don't think she has changed her ways...

 

She is married and have two sons.

 

//Observe Mars moolatrikona sign (Aries) owns 8th from 7th! //

 

Thanks for this point, as it opened my eyes to analyse a chart yet from another

angle:)

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Renu,

>

> WOW!! Just a very quick note as I'm about to dish-up supper... How quickly can

I type the main points - so much here! Importantly of course is 7th lord Mercury

and 12th lord Saturn along with 7th karaka Venus all combust 6th lord Sun (12th

from 7th). 5th lord Moon, dispositor of Rahu also joins this incredible

conjunction. Note 5th, inclinations of the mind, is also known as the house of

romance...a compulsion (obviously) for this native.

>

> Sorry, trying to cover as much as I can as quickly as I can...my husband is

getting impatient. But I have to point to Mars, nakshatra lord of MO, ME, JU, VE

and KE. Mars, as we know, is the planet of energy...all forms of energy,

including sexual energy! Observe Mars moolatrikona sign (Aries) owns 8th from

7th!

>

> Must leave it here for now, thank you for posting such an interesting chart.

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

> renunw

> Friday, March 26, 2010 6:48 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: extramarital affairs

>

>

>

> Dear Wendy ji,

>

> Thanks so much for your response and let me forward the chart I had in mind

when I wrote the earlier post.

>

> Natal Chart

>

> February 5, 1962

> Time: 9:40:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 80 E 38' 00 " , 7 N 17' 00 "

> Kandy, Sri Lanka

>

> This is a chart of a lady. What I mentioned earlier about her is a fact.

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

>

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Dear Renu and All,

 

///You hit the nail on the head....romance is a compulsion for her. Her choice

is special, may be you can guess that too.///

 

Being ever-mindful of the 'political correct' mode of this day and age, I won't

comment directly on this native's choice, except to point to certain relevant

factors...

 

1) Combust Venus in nakshatra of Mars occupies sign of Saturn... Parasara speaks

directly to this.

2) Combust 4th/7th lord Mercury in retrograde motion... Bhavas who's lord is

retrograde are significantly harmed/spoiled.

3) Attention needs to be given to the significations of 4th... Moral virtues,

righteous conduct, character etc..

4) All these planets in 11th denote that the native is drawn to certain

communities/social circles that support her choices.

5) Combust lagnesh Jupiter in sign of debilitation also owns 10th house of

reputation etc..

 

Again, many thanks for posting this chart.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

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renunw

Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:07 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: extramarital affairs

 

 

 

Dear Wendy ji,

 

That was concise but covered a lot.

 

//Note 5th, inclinations of the mind, is also known as the house of

romance...a compulsion (obviously) for this native.//

 

You hit the nail on the head....romance is a compulsion for her. Her choice is

special, may be you can guess that too.

 

I have known this lady for more than 15 years, but now she is not in my

neighbourhood. I don't think she has changed her ways...

 

She is married and have two sons.

 

//Observe Mars moolatrikona sign (Aries) owns 8th from 7th! //

 

Thanks for this point, as it opened my eyes to analyse a chart yet from another

angle:)

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy ji,

 

Thanks and I can only say you are correct in each and every point. True, her

reputation is not anything we would like to boast about.

 

For those who are interested to study her chart, she prefers young boys!

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Renu and All,

>

> ///You hit the nail on the head....romance is a compulsion for her. Her choice

is special, may be you can guess that too.///

>

> Being ever-mindful of the 'political correct' mode of this day and age, I

won't comment directly on this native's choice, except to point to certain

relevant factors...

>

> 1) Combust Venus in nakshatra of Mars occupies sign of Saturn... Parasara

speaks directly to this.

> 2) Combust 4th/7th lord Mercury in retrograde motion... Bhavas who's lord is

retrograde are significantly harmed/spoiled.

> 3) Attention needs to be given to the significations of 4th... Moral virtues,

righteous conduct, character etc..

> 4) All these planets in 11th denote that the native is drawn to certain

communities/social circles that support her choices.

> 5) Combust lagnesh Jupiter in sign of debilitation also owns 10th house of

reputation etc..

>

> Again, many thanks for posting this chart.

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

> renunw

> Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:07 AM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: extramarital affairs

>

>

>

> Dear Wendy ji,

>

> That was concise but covered a lot.

>

> //Note 5th, inclinations of the mind, is also known as the house of

> romance...a compulsion (obviously) for this native.//

>

> You hit the nail on the head....romance is a compulsion for her. Her choice is

special, may be you can guess that too.

>

> I have known this lady for more than 15 years, but now she is not in my

neighbourhood. I don't think she has changed her ways...

>

> She is married and have two sons.

>

> //Observe Mars moolatrikona sign (Aries) owns 8th from 7th! //

>

> Thanks for this point, as it opened my eyes to analyse a chart yet from

another angle:)

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

>

>

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Dear Renu,

 

///For those who are interested to study her chart, she prefers young boys!///

 

This is truly a most dreadful sin! Bear in mind that swakshetra Saturn (in this

mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign. As we know the 12th governs such things

as pleasures of the bed, fall from grace, sin etc.. Note also the debility of

combust Jupiter (significator of all children) and the position of Rahu in 5th

occupying nakshatra of Mercury, the younger planet.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

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renunw

Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:10 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: extramarital affairs

 

 

 

Dear Wendy ji,

 

Thanks and I can only say you are correct in each and every point. True, her

reputation is not anything we would like to boast about.

 

For those who are interested to study her chart, she prefers young boys!

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy ji,

 

Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart. Totally

agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed very

very sad.

 

//swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.//

 

Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of analyzing a

chart!

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Renu,

>

> ///For those who are interested to study her chart, she prefers young boys!///

>

> This is truly a most dreadful sin! Bear in mind that swakshetra Saturn (in

this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign. As we know the 12th governs such

things as pleasures of the bed, fall from grace, sin etc.. Note also the

debility of combust Jupiter (significator of all children) and the position of

Rahu in 5th occupying nakshatra of Mercury, the younger planet.

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

>

> renunw

> Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:10 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: extramarital affairs

>

>

>

> Dear Wendy ji,

>

> Thanks and I can only say you are correct in each and every point. True, her

reputation is not anything we would like to boast about.

>

> For those who are interested to study her chart, she prefers young boys!

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

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Dear Mr Manoj and others,

having many planets in a house may enhance or reduce significations of

bhava.what matters however relationship of these planets with house lord or

nakshtralords.

As we also in a bhava chart,some of these planets may tend to give effects of

previous house or next house.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

Re: Re: extramarital affairs

jyotish-vidya

Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:05 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vic,

 

 

 

//Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce

an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz.

parivrajak-yogas) //

 

 

 

Not necessarily. Please look at this example of this Gentleman, Charles

Baudelaire.

 

 

 

http://www.astro. com/astro- databank/ Baudelaire, _Charles

 

 

 

You will notice a concentration of planets in the 8H. You can read about his

life and you will quickly see it was a life of excess and Scandal in every

possible way. May be his future lives will give him the opportunity to turn

things around !!!

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Vic DiCara <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

 

jyotish-vidya

 

Thu, March 25, 2010 8:42:37 PM

 

Re: Re: extramarital affairs

 

 

 

Dear Renu,

 

 

 

If a house has many planets you can know that many areas of the person's life

will take place within the context of that house. It could certainly be a

contributing factor, having many planets in a kama triangle such as the third

house. But in and of itself it is insufficient for a good conclusion as to

weather or not the person enjoys multiple partners.

 

 

 

Do note that the third house is not 7th from the 11th house. It is 5 houses from

the 11th.

 

 

 

Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an

instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas)

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Vic DiCara

 

 

 

On 2010/03/26, at 12:00, renunw wrote:

 

 

 

> Dear Vic DiCara ji,

 

>

 

> //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " //

 

>

 

> If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely

lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are

placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H?

 

>

 

> blessings,

 

>

 

> Renu

 

>

 

> jyotish-vidya, Vic DiCara <vicdicara@. ..> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear All,

 

> >

 

> > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an

interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of

spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the

traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108

spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal

number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord).

 

> >

 

> > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity)

dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the

11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house).

Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.

 

> >

 

> > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and

11th are the " kaama triangle. "

 

> >

 

> > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)

 

> >

 

> > Yours,

 

> > Vic DiCara

 

> >

 

> > On 2010/03/25, at 11:14, renunw wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji,

 

> > >

 

> > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will

kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to

multiple relationships for the native.

 

> > >

 

> > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives?

Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or,

since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no

other indication for such tendencies?

 

> > >

 

> > > blessings,

 

> > >

 

> > > Renu

 

> > >

 

> > > jyotish-vidya, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > //Â As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other

relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships.

//

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple

relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to

have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L

and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination

for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house

and Me by nature is a multiplier.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Regards,

 

> > > > Â -Manoj

 

> > > > Â

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ >

 

> > > > jyotish-vidya

 

> > > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM

 

> > > > Re: extramarital affairs

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Â

 

> > > > Dear Ravindramani ji,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Namaste,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart

 

> > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs///

 

> > > >

 

> > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations,

whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. .

 

> > > >

 

> > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and

sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > warmest regards

 

> > > > Sheevani

 

> > > >

 

> > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani "

<ravindramani@ ...> wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human

life.

 

> > > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings.

Mind

 

> > > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey

and

 

> > > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires,

since

 

> > > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of

peace of

 

> > > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a

contended

 

> > > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life

and one

 

> > > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes

 

> > > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires,

active

 

> > > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th

house

 

> > > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of

losing

 

> > > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the

state of

 

> > > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is

the

 

> > > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a

chart

 

> > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus

is

 

> > > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

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> > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

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Dear Renu,

 

///Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....///

 

In all honesty, although the position of Venus in sign of Saturn and occupying

nakshatra of Mars (etc, etc.) did point to some deviation from the norm, I never

considered this possibility for a moment! Based on your earlier post (below) I

assumed that the term 'affairs' implied something between two consenting

adults...which itself is bad enough considering the native's married status.

 

A good lesson not to make assumptions!

 

You Wrote:

///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage.///

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

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===================

 

 

 

 

renunw

Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:20 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: extramarital affairs

 

 

 

 

Dear Wendy ji,

 

Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart. Totally

agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed very

very sad.

 

//swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.//

 

Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of analyzing a

chart!

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy ji,

 

True, my earlier statement is kind of misleading. I should not have used the

word 'affairs' as her relationships does not fall exactly to this category.

 

Anyway learnt quite a lot on how to judge natives deviating from the normal

route, which would be immensely helpful when the charts of prospective grooms

are considered for young ladies.

 

Thanks Wendy ji:)

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Renu,

>

> ///Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and

misled....///

>

> In all honesty, although the position of Venus in sign of Saturn and occupying

nakshatra of Mars (etc, etc.) did point to some deviation from the norm, I never

considered this possibility for a moment! Based on your earlier post (below) I

assumed that the term 'affairs' implied something between two consenting

adults...which itself is bad enough considering the native's married status.

>

> A good lesson not to make assumptions!

>

> You Wrote:

> ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage.///

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

>

> renunw

> Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:20 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: extramarital affairs

>

>

>

>

> Dear Wendy ji,

>

> Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart.

Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed

very very sad.

>

> //swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.//

>

> Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of analyzing

a chart!

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

>

>

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>

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Dear Renuji and Wendy ji,

 

Perhaps we should also look at the condition of Jupiter in this chart too, It is

representing self(lagnesh) as well as being karka for wisdom

 

Jupiter being debilitated and combust is most unfortuanate.

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

jyotish-vidya , " renunw " <renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Wendy ji,

>

> True, my earlier statement is kind of misleading. I should not have used the

word 'affairs' as her relationships does not fall exactly to this category.

>

> Anyway learnt quite a lot on how to judge natives deviating from the normal

route, which would be immensely helpful when the charts of prospective grooms

are considered for young ladies.

>

> Thanks Wendy ji:)

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu,

> >

> > ///Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and

misled....///

> >

> > In all honesty, although the position of Venus in sign of Saturn and

occupying nakshatra of Mars (etc, etc.) did point to some deviation from the

norm, I never considered this possibility for a moment! Based on your earlier

post (below) I assumed that the term 'affairs' implied something between two

consenting adults...which itself is bad enough considering the native's married

status.

> >

> > A good lesson not to make assumptions!

> >

> > You Wrote:

> > ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage.///

> >

> > Best Wishes

> > Mrs.Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ===================

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > renunw

> > Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:20 PM

> > jyotish-vidya

> > Re: extramarital affairs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Wendy ji,

> >

> > Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart.

Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed

very very sad.

> >

> > //swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.//

> >

> > Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of

analyzing a chart!

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Sheevani ji,

 

You write

 

//Jupiter being debilitated and combust is most unfortuanate.//

 

and Wendy ji says,

 

//Combust lagnesh Jupiter in sign of debilitation also owns 10th house of

reputation etc..//

 

Also Ju has moved 8 houses in navamsha. Yet another negative point.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Sheevani " <sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji and Wendy ji,

>

> Perhaps we should also look at the condition of Jupiter in this chart too, It

is representing self(lagnesh) as well as being karka for wisdom

>

> Jupiter being debilitated and combust is most unfortuanate.

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> jyotish-vidya , " renunw " <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Wendy ji,

> >

> > True, my earlier statement is kind of misleading. I should not have used the

word 'affairs' as her relationships does not fall exactly to this category.

> >

> > Anyway learnt quite a lot on how to judge natives deviating from the normal

route, which would be immensely helpful when the charts of prospective grooms

are considered for young ladies.

> >

> > Thanks Wendy ji:)

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu,

> > >

> > > ///Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and

misled....///

> > >

> > > In all honesty, although the position of Venus in sign of Saturn and

occupying nakshatra of Mars (etc, etc.) did point to some deviation from the

norm, I never considered this possibility for a moment! Based on your earlier

post (below) I assumed that the term 'affairs' implied something between two

consenting adults...which itself is bad enough considering the native's married

status.

> > >

> > > A good lesson not to make assumptions!

> > >

> > > You Wrote:

> > > ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage.///

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > > Mrs.Wendy

> > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > ===================

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > renunw

> > > Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:20 PM

> > > jyotish-vidya

> > > Re: extramarital affairs

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Wendy ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart.

Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed

very very sad.

> > >

> > > //swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.//

> > >

> > > Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of

analyzing a chart!

> > >

> > > blessings,

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Renu ji,

 

Namaste,

 

That is exactly my point here, lagnesh is also karmesh(actions) and jupiter is

debilitated and combust, hence she indulges in activities that are inappropriate

or disgraceful.

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

jyotish-vidya , " renunw " <renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Sheevani ji,

>

> You write

>

> //Jupiter being debilitated and combust is most unfortuanate.//

>

> and Wendy ji says,

>

> //Combust lagnesh Jupiter in sign of debilitation also owns 10th house of

reputation etc..//

>

> Also Ju has moved 8 houses in navamsha. Yet another negative point.

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Sheevani " <sheevani147@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renuji and Wendy ji,

> >

> > Perhaps we should also look at the condition of Jupiter in this chart too,

It is representing self(lagnesh) as well as being karka for wisdom

> >

> > Jupiter being debilitated and combust is most unfortuanate.

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , " renunw " <renunw@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Wendy ji,

> > >

> > > True, my earlier statement is kind of misleading. I should not have used

the word 'affairs' as her relationships does not fall exactly to this category.

> > >

> > > Anyway learnt quite a lot on how to judge natives deviating from the

normal route, which would be immensely helpful when the charts of prospective

grooms are considered for young ladies.

> > >

> > > Thanks Wendy ji:)

> > >

> > > blessings,

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renu,

> > > >

> > > > ///Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and

misled....///

> > > >

> > > > In all honesty, although the position of Venus in sign of Saturn and

occupying nakshatra of Mars (etc, etc.) did point to some deviation from the

norm, I never considered this possibility for a moment! Based on your earlier

post (below) I assumed that the term 'affairs' implied something between two

consenting adults...which itself is bad enough considering the native's married

status.

> > > >

> > > > A good lesson not to make assumptions!

> > > >

> > > > You Wrote:

> > > > ///I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage.///

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > > Mrs.Wendy

> > > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > > ===================

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > renunw

> > > > Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:20 PM

> > > > jyotish-vidya

> > > > Re: extramarital affairs

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Wendy ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks dear. I wanted to learn how this trait is depicted in her chart.

Totally agree, an unpardonable sin! A generation is spoiled and misled....indeed

very very sad.

> > > >

> > > > //swakshetra Saturn (in this mix) has 12th as his moolatrikona sign.//

> > > >

> > > > Well....another pointer and thanks for guiding along a novel way of

analyzing a chart!

> > > >

> > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Mr.Krishnan,

 

Thank you for your educative comments.

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

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jyotish-vidya

Sat, March 27, 2010 12:29:54 AM

Re: Re: extramarital affairs

 

 

Dear Mr Manoj and others,

having many planets in a house may enhance or reduce significations of

bhava.what matters however relationship of these planets with house lord or

nakshtralords.

As we also in a bhava chart,some of these planets may tend to give effects of

previous house or next house.

 

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B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

Re: Re: extramarital affairs

jyotish-vidya

Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:05 AM

 

 

 

Dear Vic,

 

//Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce

an instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz.

parivrajak-yogas) //

 

Not necessarily. Please look at this example of this Gentleman, Charles

Baudelaire.

 

http://www.astro. com/astro- databank/ Baudelaire, _Charles

 

You will notice a concentration of planets in the 8H. You can read about his

life and you will quickly see it was a life of excess and Scandal in every

possible way. May be his future lives will give him the opportunity to turn

things around !!!

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 -Manoj

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Vic DiCara <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

 

jyotish-vidya

 

Thu, March 25, 2010 8:42:37 PM

 

Re: Re: extramarital affairs

 

Dear Renu,

 

If a house has many planets you can know that many areas of the person's life

will take place within the context of that house. It could certainly be a

contributing factor, having many planets in a kama triangle such as the third

house. But in and of itself it is insufficient for a good conclusion as to

weather or not the person enjoys multiple partners.

 

Do note that the third house is not 7th from the 11th house. It is 5 houses from

the 11th.

 

Also note that TOO many planets clustering in a single sign tends to produce an

instability that will eventually lead to renunciation! (viz. parivrajak-yogas)

 

Sincerely,

 

Vic DiCara

 

On 2010/03/26, at 12:00, renunw wrote:

 

> Dear Vic DiCara ji,

 

>

 

> //The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " //

 

>

 

> If 3H is clustered with planets, can we conclude that the native is extremely

lustful? I have noticed that a cluster of planets in 11H leading the native to

multiple affairs even after marriage. Is it the same when many planets are

placed in 3H or is it just the opposite since 3H is 7th to 11H?

 

>

 

> blessings,

 

>

 

> Renu

 

>

 

> jyotish-vidya, Vic DiCara <vicdicara@. ..> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear All,

 

> >

 

> > I am coming to this conversation late. But I would just like to add an

interesting observation to correlate the 11/7 connection for multiplicity of

spouses and partners. I just finished working rather extensively with the

traditional birth chart of Sri Krishna - who is well known as having 16,108

spouses (during his Jupiter dasha - in Dvaraka - 11th Lord) and a rather equal

number of paramours earlier on (during his Mars dasha - in Vraja - 7th Lord).

 

> >

 

> > In Krishna's chart Rahu (already a factor of chaotic power and multiplicity)

dominates the 7th house. The 7th Lord (Mars) is exalted, therefore aspecting the

11th house and the 11th lord (Jupiter, who is self-situated in the 11th house).

Jupiter in turn (the 11th Lord) aspects Rahu in the 7th house.

 

> >

 

> > Also I would add that the 3rd house is important. In fact the 3rd, 7th and

11th are the " kaama triangle. "

 

> >

 

> > The 3rd house shows a person's " lust. " In Sri Krishna's case, both his 7th

and 11th lords aspect the 3rd house, while his 3rd lord sits in the 1st house,

very close to the ascendant (by my determination at about 18º Taurus)

 

> >

 

> > Yours,

 

> > Vic DiCara

 

> >

 

> > On 2010/03/25, at 11:14, renunw wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > Dear Manoj ji & Ravindramani ji,

 

> > >

 

> > > A bit too late to put a query on this thread, yet I hope one of you will

kindly explain this to me since both have mentioned that 11L in 7H may lead to

multiple relationships for the native.

 

> > >

 

> > > The question is what when Sa is exalted in 7H for Aries Lagna natives?

Would this too lead to multiple relationships? Sa is also 10HL for Aries. Or,

since Sa is placed strongly would it result otherwise, provided there is no

other indication for such tendencies?

 

> > >

 

> > > blessings,

 

> > >

 

> > > Renu

 

> > >

 

> > > jyotish-vidya, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Dear Sheeavani Ji,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > //Â As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other

relations, whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships.

//

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Not true necessarily. I know cases where 11H in 7H causes multiple

relationships for the person and 7L in 11H (afflicted) caused the spouse to

have an affair. 7L in 11H for Cancer Lagna is potent since he is also the 8L

and 11H happens to be Venus's house. Similarly 11H in 7H is a potent combination

for Scorpio Lagna also since Me is also the 8L and 7H is again a Venusian house

and Me by nature is a multiplier.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Regards,

 

> > > > Â -Manoj

 

> > > > Â

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ >

 

> > > > jyotish-vidya

 

> > > > Tue, February 23, 2010 10:15:54 AM

 

> > > > Re: extramarital affairs

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Â

 

> > > > Dear Ravindramani ji,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Namaste,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > ///Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a chart

 

> > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs///

 

> > > >

 

> > > > As per my understanding that would make the spouse have other relations,

whereas 7L in 11H would make the native have multiple relationships. .

 

> > > >

 

> > > > What about the combination of venus/ketu or venus/mars in 6H or 12H, and

sometime venus/ketu or venus/mars in 3H?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > warmest regards

 

> > > > Sheevani

 

> > > >

 

> > > > jyotish-vidya, " C.S. Ravindramani "

<ravindramani@ ...> wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Mahatmas declared desires are the root cause of all problems in human

life.

 

> > > > > The mahatma Buddha emphasized this to a great extent in his teachings.

Mind

 

> > > > > springs forth from 4th house. If a person wants to control this monkey

and

 

> > > > > desirous of peace of mind, he should be careful about his desires,

since

 

> > > > > 11th is the 8th house of obstacles with reference to 4th house of

peace of

 

> > > > > mind. 11th house is the most potent and powerful house of desires.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > From 4th house, 12th house is a powerful trine. If you live a

contended

 

> > > > > life, peace of mind is an essential prerequisite for contended life

and one

 

> > > > > leads a contended life, sleep (loss of body consciousness ) comes

 

> > > > > effortlessly i.e. from the 12th house. If you have more desires,

active

 

> > > > > 11th house, then you have no sleep since the 11th house is the 12th

house

 

> > > > > from 12th i.e. reason for loss of sleep. 12th house is the house of

losing

 

> > > > > all body consciousness such as sleep, sleep with out dreams and the

state of

 

> > > > > Turiya and finally the Moksha.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Parashara rightly classified 3,7,11 as kama trikonas. Kama - desire is

the

 

> > > > > root cause of all problems. Locate the 11th lord in 7th house in a

chart

 

> > > > > which is one of the clues for extra marital affairs and also if Venus

is

 

> > > > > with Rahu or afflicted otherwise.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

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