couple of queries

March 15, 2010

Namaste Wendy Ji,

Thanks for your time and patience to make the point easier for me to understand.

Honestly speaking, I have to revise the basics so far as the planets and the

respective humors attached with them before commenting anything on this issue.

With regards,

Sivaprakasam

Dear Sivaprakasam,

///Will he show only the humor i.e. pitta. Do you mean to say that he (Mercury)

will shed the other two humors i.e. vata and kapha completely/entirely?///

Certainly, as Mercury possesses all three humors, we can say that his influence

in a strong Pitta environment is more or less neutral. However, it's precisely

because of this environment and the adaptable nature of Mercury that we can, in

my opinion, safely assume that Pitta will prevail.

To take this further let's consider the dictum that Jupiter aspecting/occupying

lagna from a water sign can indicate a tendency to gain weight. This, of course,

is due to the fact that both Jupiter and the water signs express the kapha

dosha. We see then that sign placement is important...

Without doubt this can also be a controversial topic and even the experts can

disagree. Some, for instance, consider nakshatra to be more important.

I'm completely open to discussion on this and welcome others thoughts.

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

March 15, 2010

Dear Sivaprakasam,

To be perfectly honest my attention has been pretty much elsewhere the last few

days as I've been caught up with transferring JV Website to another server. All

done (at last) and Website finally uploaded to new server. Now (hopefully) I can

focus a little clearer on Jyotish.

I would like to think through the relevance of planets (other than Mercury, of

course) occupying lagna (in regards to Prikriti), but now need a little time to

catch up with things here at home...badly neglected the last few days, I'm

afraid; So please bear with me just a little longer and I WILL get back to it.

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Sivaprakasam

Monday, March 15, 2010 3:38 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: couple of queries

Namaste Wendy Ji,

Thanks for your time and patience to make the point easier for me to understand.

Honestly speaking, I have to revise the basics so far as the planets and the

respective humors attached with them before commenting anything on this issue.

With regards,

Sivaprakasam

Dear Sivaprakasam,

///Will he show only the humor i.e. pitta. Do you mean to say that he (Mercury)

will shed the other two humors i.e. vata and kapha completely/entirely?///

Certainly, as Mercury possesses all three humors, we can say that his influence

in a strong Pitta environment is more or less neutral. However, it's precisely

because of this environment and the adaptable nature of Mercury that we can, in

my opinion, safely assume that Pitta will prevail.

To take this further let's consider the dictum that Jupiter aspecting/occupying

lagna from a water sign can indicate a tendency to gain weight. This, of course,

is due to the fact that both Jupiter and the water signs express the kapha

dosha. We see then that sign placement is important...

Without doubt this can also be a controversial topic and even the experts can

disagree. Some, for instance, consider nakshatra to be more important.

I'm completely open to discussion on this and welcome others thoughts.

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

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March 15, 2010

Namaste Vic Ji and friends,

Please read his dignity is unquestionable now.....instead of questionable now.

With regards,

Sivaprakasam

>Say Mars moves to Capricorn, still he can aspect his own house from there but

his dignity itself is questionable now. (Of course he gets digbala there).>

March 16, 2010

Dear Shivaprakasam,

Namaste!

I like your clarity of thought and of writing.

You identify three principles: Bhava, Bhavesh, and Bhavakaraka. And you identify

that if there is malefic influence to 1 of these three we get roughly 1/3

malefic effect to the house... to 2 of the 3 we get 2/3s malefic effect to the

house, etc.

You use this to explain why it is commonly held that the bhavakaraka should not

be in the bhava - - - because when 2 factors are in the same place they are more

susceptible to influences, since any influence to that place affects 2 or the 3

principles simultaneously.

I would like to suggest some things to contemplate however:

1) A BENEFIC influence to this bhava would also influence 2/3s of the principls,

and therefore by this logic, the accumulation of bhava, bhavesh and bhavakaraka

in the same location is has as much potential to excel as it does to fall apart.

So why should it be branded as " bad " ?

2) We hear that the bhava-karaka is not good in the bhava itself, but we don't

hear that the bhavesh is not good in the bhava itself. By the logic you used

above, both statements should be equally true, because both the bhavesh and the

bhavakaraka - either one of them in the bhava itself would expose 2/3s of the

bhava's sensitive points. Therefore perhaps there is something else which is the

deeper factor behind the idea that the bhava karaka ruins the bhava?

I liked your description of the bhavesh aspecting the bhava, and how this relies

largely on the relationship to the bhavesh-dispositor. Well explained and

described.

Yours,

Vic

On 2010/03/15, at 16:01, Sivaprakasam wrote:

> Namaste Vic Ji,

>

> Yes. I agree with you. A planet sitting in its own house is going to protect

the interests of his house. He is not detrimental to the significations of that

Bhava so long as he is not influenced by any other force in either way i.e.

positively or negatively.

>

> When a human experience is under examination, sages instructed us to consider

the Bhava, Bhavesh and Bhavakaraka. If there is no planet in a Bhava then it is

going to manifest in its original form/in a normal manner as it should manifest

since there is no influence in either way. It is good. At least the bhava is

saved - say 30 per cent. Say if a bhava and bhavesh both are adversely

influenced (as in the case of bhavesh placed in the bhava itself) then the

signification lost by two counts - say 60 per cent. Hence the sages could have

thought bhava karaka may not be placed in the bhava itself. At the least

bhavakaraka can take care of a signfication - say 30 per cent again.

>

> I think the " aspects " by planets can take care of the situation to some

extent. Let us consider first the 7th aspect, since all planets can aspect the

seventh house from where they are placed. For a moment let us forget the special

aspects of planets and nodes. Aries rising and Mars is placed in Libra. Bhava is

protected. But here Mars moves to 180 degrees away from his house. A planet sits

in its own house and protects the house is more stronger as compared to the

situation of aspecting from 7th house. When a planet goes 180 degrees away from

his house certainly it should feel uncomfortable in the sign of somebody else.

His house is ascendant and 7th from there is descendant. Still it protects his

house and the signification. Here the condition of dispositor comes into play

and how that planet is mutually placed from Mars and their compound relationship

in a chart. He is to depend on somebody else to protect his house. Here in this

situation, if Mars is getting afflicted by any way, then the bhavesh is

afflicted, not the bhava and the bhava karaka directly.

>

> Let us assume Mars moves to Virgo, from there Mars can aspect his house (8th

aspect). Here the position is that if a bhavesh moves to 6th, 8th and 12th house

from his house, the bhava loses its significance to a certain extent, if not

totally. Here Ascendant lord Mars aspecting his house with the properties of 6th

and connecting the lagna with 12th house also. Mars moving to 6th per se is not

adverse so long as he is not further afflicted. Say Mars moves to Capricorn,

still he can aspect his own house from there but his dignity itself is

questionable now. (Of course he gets digbala there). Hence the subsequent dictum

comes to us that if a bhava is aspected or associated with natural benefics then

the bhava is protected.

>

> With regards,

> Sivaprakasam

>

> Re: Re: couple of queries

> Dear Sivaprakasham,

>

> You wrote

>

> > So in order to avoid multiple afflictions on any particular signification,

it is desirable if the karaka is not placed in the bhava itself.

>

> This is thoughtful. When considering it I arrive at the following question.

The same should then be true of the bhavesh placed in the bhava - but we do not

hear that svakshetri planets are destructive. How do you respond to this

concern?

>

> Thank you,

> Vic DiCara

>

March 16, 2010

Namaste Vic Ji,

>1) A BENEFIC influence to this bhava would also influence 2/3s of the

principls, and therefore by this logic, the accumulation of bhava, bhavesh and

bhavakaraka in the same location is has as much potential to excel as it does to

fall apart. So why should it be branded as " bad " ?>

Certainly, a benefic influence to any bhava, its bhavesh and bhavakaraka would

excel the quality of the bhava. Ultimately a planet cannot be branded as good

or bad outright. We have only two natural benefics, two conditional benefics

and five malefics. In all probability, a Native is left open to face more of

trails and tribulations in life; I think that gives us a chance to prove our

mettle in adverse conditions and to continue our journey in right perspective.

>Therefore perhaps there is something else which is the deeper factor behind the

idea that the bhava karaka ruins the bhava?>

Yes. I agree that there could be a subtle factor behind this notion as you

suggest.

With regards,

Sivaprakasam

PS: Thank you that you liked my writing and am amply rewarded :-))

March 17, 2010

Dear Sivaprakasam, Vic and All,

///In all probability, a Native is left open to face more of trails and

tribulations in life; I think that gives us a chance to prove our mettle in

adverse conditions and to continue our journey in right perspective.///

Although it may not seem so at the time, I do believe that the malefics can be

the greatest stimulus for self-awareness. If a life is blessed with ongoing

good-fortune (opportunity), wealth (opulence), and all-round happiness and

contentment, there's rarely a great need/desire to seek the true meaning of

life. This life (dream) can be so peaceful and fulfilling that the desire to

" Wake up " is not really a priority. However; if, by the grace of the malefics,

this dream of life becomes difficult, hopeless, scary or even nightmarish; the

wish to awaken from this experience stirs from within...the seed, fertilized by

our own trials and tribulations, begins to sprout.

There are many saints who have reached the utmost depths of despair before

awakening. Several that come immediately to mind are; Ammachi, U.G.

Krishnamurti, and Eckhart Tolle...I'm sure there are many more. Many catholic

saints have endured great trials and tribulations.

I know suffering is NOT a prerequisite for enlightenment, but it is (often) the

case that suffering precedes awareness.

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Sivaprakasam

Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:43 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: couple of queries

Namaste Vic Ji,

>1) A BENEFIC influence to this bhava would also influence 2/3s of the

principls, and therefore by this logic, the accumulation of bhava, bhavesh and

bhavakaraka in the same location is has as much potential to excel as it does to

fall apart. So why should it be branded as " bad " ?>

Certainly, a benefic influence to any bhava, its bhavesh and bhavakaraka would

excel the quality of the bhava. Ultimately a planet cannot be branded as good or

bad outright. We have only two natural benefics, two conditional benefics and

five malefics. In all probability, a Native is left open to face more of trails

and tribulations in life; I think that gives us a chance to prove our mettle in

adverse conditions and to continue our journey in right perspective.

>Therefore perhaps there is something else which is the deeper factor behind the

idea that the bhava karaka ruins the bhava?>

Yes. I agree that there could be a subtle factor behind this notion as you

suggest.

With regards,

Sivaprakasam

PS: Thank you that you liked my writing and am amply rewarded :-))

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March 18, 2010

Namaste Wendy Ji,

It is really nice to go through your views.

Needless to say that when one wants to attain the state of exaltation, he should

prove himself ( as he is qualified) for that.

Mars is the Commander-in-chief of the Celestial Cabinet. His exaltation

point of 28th degree falls in Capricorn owned by his enemy Saturn. He is a

soldier. He has to prove his valor and courage in the enemy's domain. Of

course, he is lucky somewhat, it is the constellation - Danishta - which owned

by himself.

With regards,

Sivaprakasam

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