Guest guest Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Dear Wendy Ji ! Thanks for allowing me to put some of the doubts/confusions here. Dear Friends ! While going through astrological charts few questions haunt time & again.I request to please enlighten on these not at a time but one by one. I don't have any final answer to these but I will try to bring forward some real examples of persons well known to me and respected members may add to these too--- 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too. 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the combustion degree --it is combust? 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic ? Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into account and what will be the result? 5] If the ascendant is, say, Leo of 5 degree then the 1st house actually ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of in Leo ? 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 5 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th house at 10 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good results becuse it is vargottam ? 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it behave as the exalted one? What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in the 7th house then who will be more sensuous : the person or the partner ? 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char dasha system? 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several methods? 16] Tithi : Now a days many festivals are being celebrated on two days because of different views of so many prevalent panchangs. Will it not be proper to observe a particular tithi during its actual period of existence instead of mostly used Udita tithi ? Example : Suppose a particular festival is observed on Panchami tithi.Sunrise is at 6 a.m. on 20 Septeber 2009 [ just assumed ]. Panchami starts on this very date but at 8 a.m. and ends at 7 a.m. on 21 September next day. Now if we follow Udita tithi [tithi existing at the time of sunrise]then this festival will have to be observed on 21 September where Panchami exists only for one hour. So will it not be viable to celebrate this festival during its actual existence,that is, from 8 a.m. on 20 September 2009 to 7 a.m. on 21 September 2009 ? Looking forward to your kind guidance ! Regards Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Dear Om, Here are some INITIAL answers for you... > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > ascendants and planets too. > You should probably make double sure you understand the differentiation between strength, intention, and opportunity. A planet can be strong or weak (see shadbala primarily). This is rather independant from the planets positive or negative intentions (see varga vaiseshika primarily, imo). And both are rather independent from a planets being opportunely placed by degree and in the dashas. For example, a man may want to kill you (this is his malefic intention), and he may be strong and know how to kill people (his shadbala is high), but being in jail for a few years, he will not get the opportunity (the dashas and transits give him no opportunity). So Malefics being " weak " literally, to me, means their shad-bala is low. This is good if they truly have malefic intentions towards the native. If a planet means to harm you, but does not have much strength - it will be like a weak frog who wants to kill you - it's not much of a threat. > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > The Suns power of combustion is not affected by his dignity. > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > beome less malefic ? > See Manasagari for very interesting assessment here. It is shown there that good results accrue from most of the planets being debilitated. For example debilitated mars causes a gentle person who is non-violent (goes without saying that we are not interpreting a horoscope, just pointing to fundamental building blocks and concepts) Wow.... you have a lot more questions... at least I've given some food for thought for three of them. Yours, Vic DiCara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Dear Om, Let me share my understanding on some of your questions... *1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different ascendants and planets too.* One point about Sun and Moon - Sun and Moon are not tainted by the 8th house lordship. However, as this is a general question, we can say that 10H suffers as it disposits 8L. Each planet has some basic duty towards the houses they own. When a planet is debilitated, the houses it owns suffers. And, the dispositor of the debilitated planet also suffers. *2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is within the combustion degree --it is combust?* If within the specified degrees from Sun, any planet (other than Rahu & Ketu) get combust irrespective of the dignity of the Sun. *3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it beome less malefic ?* More Malefic. *9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?* This would create an imbalance. Some significations get overstressed and others get under-stressed. Hence, could be considered bad. The opposite situation could be a 'graha mallika yoga' which is considered to be good as the planets are placed contiguously in more houses. *10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?* Retrograde planets have higher chestabala than direct planets, hence would become stronger with all other conditions remaining same. However, a retrograde planet loses its dignity. *11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does it behave as the exalted one?* - An exalted and retrograde planet loses its dignity though it is strong. - A debilitated and retrograde planet does not improve its status and become good or exalted Regards, Krishna On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Om <astrops2122 wrote: > > > > Dear Wendy Ji ! > > Thanks for allowing me to put some of the doubts/confusions here. > > Dear Friends ! > > While going through astrological charts few questions haunt time & > again.I request to please enlighten on these not at a time but one by > one. > > I don't have any final answer to these but I will try to bring > forward some real examples of persons well known to me and respected > members may add to these too--- > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > ascendants and planets too. > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > beome less malefic ? > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into > account and what will be the result? > > 5] If the ascendant is, say, Leo of 5 degree then the 1st house actually > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of > in Leo ? > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 5 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th > house at 10 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does > it behave as the exalted one? > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in > the 7th house then who will be more sensuous : the person or the partner > ? > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char > dasha system? > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > methods? > > 16] Tithi : Now a days many festivals are being celebrated on two days > because of different views of so many prevalent panchangs. > > Will it not be proper to observe a particular tithi during its actual > period of existence instead of mostly used Udita tithi ? > > Example : Suppose a particular festival is observed on Panchami > tithi.Sunrise is at 6 a.m. on 20 Septeber 2009 [ just assumed ]. > Panchami starts on this very date but at 8 a.m. and ends at 7 a.m. on 21 > September next day. > > Now if we follow Udita tithi [tithi existing at the time of sunrise]then > this festival will have to be observed on 21 September where Panchami > exists only for one hour. > > So will it not be viable to celebrate this festival during its actual > existence,that is, from 8 a.m. on 20 September 2009 to 7 a.m. on 21 > September 2009 ? > > Looking forward to your kind guidance ! > > Regards > > Om > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Respected Sir, Can you please explain what defines dignity of planet? I'm sorry if its too basic a question. Thanks, Jyothi. jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Om, > > Let me share my understanding on some of your questions... > > > *1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? Example: > if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house or > bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > ascendants and planets too.* > > One point about Sun and Moon - Sun and Moon are not tainted by the 8th house > lordship. However, as this is a general question, we can say that 10H > suffers as it disposits 8L. > > Each planet has some basic duty towards the houses they own. When a planet > is debilitated, the houses it owns suffers. And, the dispositor of the > debilitated planet also suffers. > > *2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > within the combustion degree --it is combust?* > > If within the specified degrees from Sun, any planet (other than Rahu & > Ketu) get combust irrespective of the dignity of the Sun. > > *3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it beome > less malefic ?* > > More Malefic. > > *9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?* > > This would create an imbalance. Some significations get overstressed and > others get under-stressed. Hence, could be considered bad. The opposite > situation could be a 'graha mallika yoga' which is considered to be good as > the planets are placed contiguously in more houses. > > > *10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?* > > Retrograde planets have higher chestabala than direct planets, hence would > become stronger with all other conditions remaining same. However, a > retrograde planet loses its dignity. > > *11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is it > good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does > it behave as the exalted one?* > > - An exalted and retrograde planet loses its dignity though it is strong. > - A debilitated and retrograde planet does not improve its status and become > good or exalted > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Om <astrops2122 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy Ji ! > > > > Thanks for allowing me to put some of the doubts/confusions here. > > > > Dear Friends ! > > > > While going through astrological charts few questions haunt time & > > again.I request to please enlighten on these not at a time but one by > > one. > > > > I don't have any final answer to these but I will try to bring > > forward some real examples of persons well known to me and respected > > members may add to these too--- > > > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > > ascendants and planets too. > > > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > > beome less malefic ? > > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to > > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken into > > account and what will be the result? > > > > 5] If the ascendant is, say, Leo of 5 degree then the 1st house actually > > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 > > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of > > in Leo ? > > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said to > > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 5 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th > > house at 10 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then does > > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is > > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does > > it behave as the exalted one? > > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will aspect > > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? Similarly > > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in > > the 7th house then who will be more sensuous : the person or the partner > > ? > > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char > > dasha system? > > > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > > methods? > > > > 16] Tithi : Now a days many festivals are being celebrated on two days > > because of different views of so many prevalent panchangs. > > > > Will it not be proper to observe a particular tithi during its actual > > period of existence instead of mostly used Udita tithi ? > > > > Example : Suppose a particular festival is observed on Panchami > > tithi.Sunrise is at 6 a.m. on 20 Septeber 2009 [ just assumed ]. > > Panchami starts on this very date but at 8 a.m. and ends at 7 a.m. on 21 > > September next day. > > > > Now if we follow Udita tithi [tithi existing at the time of sunrise]then > > this festival will have to be observed on 21 September where Panchami > > exists only for one hour. > > > > So will it not be viable to celebrate this festival during its actual > > existence,that is, from 8 a.m. on 20 September 2009 to 7 a.m. on 21 > > September 2009 ? > > > > Looking forward to your kind guidance ! > > > > Regards > > > > Om > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Dear Jyothi, A planet has various levels of dignity depending on its placement in the chart - exaltation, vargottama, being in own sign,....., debilitation are from highest to lowest. Regards, Krishna On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:12 AM, jyomaddy <jyomaddy wrote: > > > Respected Sir, > > Can you please explain what defines dignity of planet? I'm sorry if its too > basic a question. > > Thanks, > Jyothi. > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > > > Dear Om, > > > > Let me share my understanding on some of your questions... > > > > > > *1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > Example: > > if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > or > > bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > > ascendants and planets too.* > > > > One point about Sun and Moon - Sun and Moon are not tainted by the 8th > house > > lordship. However, as this is a general question, we can say that 10H > > suffers as it disposits 8L. > > > > Each planet has some basic duty towards the houses they own. When a > planet > > is debilitated, the houses it owns suffers. And, the dispositor of the > > debilitated planet also suffers. > > > > *2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > > within the combustion degree --it is combust?* > > > > If within the specified degrees from Sun, any planet (other than Rahu & > > Ketu) get combust irrespective of the dignity of the Sun. > > > > *3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > beome > > less malefic ?* > > > > More Malefic. > > > > *9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?* > > > > This would create an imbalance. Some significations get overstressed and > > others get under-stressed. Hence, could be considered bad. The opposite > > situation could be a 'graha mallika yoga' which is considered to be good > as > > the planets are placed contiguously in more houses. > > > > > > *10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?* > > > > Retrograde planets have higher chestabala than direct planets, hence > would > > become stronger with all other conditions remaining same. However, a > > retrograde planet loses its dignity. > > > > *11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is > it > > good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does > > it behave as the exalted one?* > > > > - An exalted and retrograde planet loses its dignity though it is strong. > > - A debilitated and retrograde planet does not improve its status and > become > > good or exalted > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Om <astrops2122 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy Ji ! > > > > > > Thanks for allowing me to put some of the doubts/confusions here. > > > > > > Dear Friends ! > > > > > > While going through astrological charts few questions haunt time & > > > again.I request to please enlighten on these not at a time but one by > > > one. > > > > > > I don't have any final answer to these but I will try to bring > > > forward some real examples of persons well known to me and respected > > > members may add to these too--- > > > > > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > > > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > > > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > > > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > > > ascendants and planets too. > > > > > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > > > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > > > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > > > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > > > beome less malefic ? > > > > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > > > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > > > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > > > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to > > > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its > > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > > > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken > into > > > account and what will be the result? > > > > > > 5] If the ascendant is, say, Leo of 5 degree then the 1st house > actually > > > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 > > > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of > > > in Leo ? > > > > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said > to > > > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > > > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > > > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 5 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th > > > house at 10 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then > does > > > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > > > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > > > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > > > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > > > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > > > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is > > > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it > owns?Does > > > it behave as the exalted one? > > > > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will > aspect > > > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > > > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? > Similarly > > > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > > > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person > > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in > > > the 7th house then who will be more sensuous : the person or the > partner > > > ? > > > > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char > > > dasha system? > > > > > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > > > methods? > > > > > > 16] Tithi : Now a days many festivals are being celebrated on two days > > > because of different views of so many prevalent panchangs. > > > > > > Will it not be proper to observe a particular tithi during its actual > > > period of existence instead of mostly used Udita tithi ? > > > > > > Example : Suppose a particular festival is observed on Panchami > > > tithi.Sunrise is at 6 a.m. on 20 Septeber 2009 [ just assumed ]. > > > Panchami starts on this very date but at 8 a.m. and ends at 7 a.m. on > 21 > > > September next day. > > > > > > Now if we follow Udita tithi [tithi existing at the time of > sunrise]then > > > this festival will have to be observed on 21 September where Panchami > > > exists only for one hour. > > > > > > So will it not be viable to celebrate this festival during its actual > > > existence,that is, from 8 a.m. on 20 September 2009 to 7 a.m. on 21 > > > September 2009 ? > > > > > > Looking forward to your kind guidance ! > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Om > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Dear Krishna, Would you be so kind to give some support to your statement that retrogression " lowers the dignity " or causes a planet to " lose dignity " ? Thanks! - Vic On 2010/03/15, at 13:37, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote: > Dear Jyothi, > > A planet has various levels of dignity depending on its placement in the > chart - exaltation, vargottama, being in own sign,....., debilitation are > from highest to lowest. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:12 AM, jyomaddy <jyomaddy wrote: > >> >> >> Respected Sir, >> >> Can you please explain what defines dignity of planet? I'm sorry if its too >> basic a question. >> >> Thanks, >> Jyothi. >> >> >> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, >> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: >>> >>> Dear Om, >>> >>> Let me share my understanding on some of your questions... >>> >>> >>> *1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? >> Example: >>> if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in >>> the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house >> or >>> bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different >>> ascendants and planets too.* >>> >>> One point about Sun and Moon - Sun and Moon are not tainted by the 8th >> house >>> lordship. However, as this is a general question, we can say that 10H >>> suffers as it disposits 8L. >>> >>> Each planet has some basic duty towards the houses they own. When a >> planet >>> is debilitated, the houses it owns suffers. And, the dispositor of the >>> debilitated planet also suffers. >>> >>> *2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be >>> considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet >>> has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is >>> within the combustion degree --it is combust?* >>> >>> If within the specified degrees from Sun, any planet (other than Rahu & >>> Ketu) get combust irrespective of the dignity of the Sun. >>> >>> *3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it >> beome >>> less malefic ?* >>> >>> More Malefic. >>> >>> *9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?* >>> >>> This would create an imbalance. Some significations get overstressed and >>> others get under-stressed. Hence, could be considered bad. The opposite >>> situation could be a 'graha mallika yoga' which is considered to be good >> as >>> the planets are placed contiguously in more houses. >>> >>> >>> *10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?* >>> >>> Retrograde planets have higher chestabala than direct planets, hence >> would >>> become stronger with all other conditions remaining same. However, a >>> retrograde planet loses its dignity. >>> >>> *11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is >> it >>> good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does >>> it behave as the exalted one?* >>> >>> - An exalted and retrograde planet loses its dignity though it is strong. >>> - A debilitated and retrograde planet does not improve its status and >> become >>> good or exalted >>> >>> Regards, >>> Krishna >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Om <astrops2122 wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Wendy Ji ! >>>> >>>> Thanks for allowing me to put some of the doubts/confusions here. >>>> >>>> Dear Friends ! >>>> >>>> While going through astrological charts few questions haunt time & >>>> again.I request to please enlighten on these not at a time but one by >>>> one. >>>> >>>> I don't have any final answer to these but I will try to bring >>>> forward some real examples of persons well known to me and respected >>>> members may add to these too--- >>>> >>>> 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? >>>> Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in >>>> the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house >>>> or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different >>>> ascendants and planets too. >>>> >>>> 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be >>>> considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet >>>> has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is >>>> within the combustion degree --it is combust? >>>> >>>> 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it >>>> beome less malefic ? >>>> >>>> Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take >>>> navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's >>>> strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. >>>> >>>> 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to >>>> 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its >>>> mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the >>>> chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken >> into >>>> account and what will be the result? >>>> >>>> 5] If the ascendant is, say, Leo of 5 degree then the 1st house >> actually >>>> ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 >>>> degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of >>>> in Leo ? >>>> >>>> 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said >> to >>>> be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet >>>> becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] >>>> thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? >>>> >>>> 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 5 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th >>>> house at 10 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then >> does >>>> these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? >>>> >>>> 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good >>>> results becuse it is vargottam ? >>>> >>>> 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? >>>> >>>> 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? >>>> >>>> 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is >>>> it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it >> owns?Does >>>> it behave as the exalted one? >>>> >>>> What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will >> aspect >>>> that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? >>>> >>>> 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? >> Similarly >>>> exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? >>>> >>>> 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person >>>> himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in >>>> the 7th house then who will be more sensuous : the person or the >> partner >>>> ? >>>> >>>> 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char >>>> dasha system? >>>> >>>> 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several >>>> methods? >>>> >>>> 16] Tithi : Now a days many festivals are being celebrated on two days >>>> because of different views of so many prevalent panchangs. >>>> >>>> Will it not be proper to observe a particular tithi during its actual >>>> period of existence instead of mostly used Udita tithi ? >>>> >>>> Example : Suppose a particular festival is observed on Panchami >>>> tithi.Sunrise is at 6 a.m. on 20 Septeber 2009 [ just assumed ]. >>>> Panchami starts on this very date but at 8 a.m. and ends at 7 a.m. on >> 21 >>>> September next day. >>>> >>>> Now if we follow Udita tithi [tithi existing at the time of >> sunrise]then >>>> this festival will have to be observed on 21 September where Panchami >>>> exists only for one hour. >>>> >>>> So will it not be viable to celebrate this festival during its actual >>>> existence,that is, from 8 a.m. on 20 September 2009 to 7 a.m. on 21 >>>> September 2009 ? >>>> >>>> Looking forward to your kind guidance ! >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Om >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Respected Sir, Thanks for your reply. Regards, Jyothi. jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Jyothi, > > A planet has various levels of dignity depending on its placement in the > chart - exaltation, vargottama, being in own sign,....., debilitation are > from highest to lowest. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:12 AM, jyomaddy <jyomaddy wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Sir, > > > > Can you please explain what defines dignity of planet? I'm sorry if its too > > basic a question. > > > > Thanks, > > Jyothi. > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Om, > > > > > > Let me share my understanding on some of your questions... > > > > > > > > > *1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > > Example: > > > if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > > > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > > or > > > bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > > > ascendants and planets too.* > > > > > > One point about Sun and Moon - Sun and Moon are not tainted by the 8th > > house > > > lordship. However, as this is a general question, we can say that 10H > > > suffers as it disposits 8L. > > > > > > Each planet has some basic duty towards the houses they own. When a > > planet > > > is debilitated, the houses it owns suffers. And, the dispositor of the > > > debilitated planet also suffers. > > > > > > *2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > > > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > > > within the combustion degree --it is combust?* > > > > > > If within the specified degrees from Sun, any planet (other than Rahu & > > > Ketu) get combust irrespective of the dignity of the Sun. > > > > > > *3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > > beome > > > less malefic ?* > > > > > > More Malefic. > > > > > > *9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ?* > > > > > > This would create an imbalance. Some significations get overstressed and > > > others get under-stressed. Hence, could be considered bad. The opposite > > > situation could be a 'graha mallika yoga' which is considered to be good > > as > > > the planets are placed contiguously in more houses. > > > > > > > > > *10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ?* > > > > > > Retrograde planets have higher chestabala than direct planets, hence > > would > > > become stronger with all other conditions remaining same. However, a > > > retrograde planet loses its dignity. > > > > > > *11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is > > it > > > good for that house where it is placed and for the house it owns?Does > > > it behave as the exalted one?* > > > > > > - An exalted and retrograde planet loses its dignity though it is strong. > > > - A debilitated and retrograde planet does not improve its status and > > become > > > good or exalted > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Om <astrops2122@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy Ji ! > > > > > > > > Thanks for allowing me to put some of the doubts/confusions here. > > > > > > > > Dear Friends ! > > > > > > > > While going through astrological charts few questions haunt time & > > > > again.I request to please enlighten on these not at a time but one by > > > > one. > > > > > > > > I don't have any final answer to these but I will try to bring > > > > forward some real examples of persons well known to me and respected > > > > members may add to these too--- > > > > > > > > 1] If a malefic planet ,House-Lordwise ,is weak,is it good or bad? > > > > Example: if Sun being 8th lord for the Capricorn ascendant is placed in > > > > the 10th house in Libra,ie. debilitated---is it good for the 10th house > > > > or bad? Will this Sun help in job/career? Similarly for different > > > > ascendants and planets too. > > > > > > > > 2] If any planet is in the close degree of a debilated Sun,will it be > > > > considered combust or does it get rid of being combust,or such planet > > > > has nothing to do with the debilitation or exaltation of Sun,if it is > > > > within the combustion degree --it is combust? > > > > > > > > 3] If a malefic is debilitated,does it become more malefic or does it > > > > beome less malefic ? > > > > > > > > Note: In all the above ,suppose if we don't take > > > > navamsha,avastha,shadbal etc of the planet which compensate planet's > > > > strength then what will be the outcome on a plane basis. > > > > > > > > 4] If suppose Jupiter is in the Sagittarious ascendant but it moves to > > > > 2nd house in Capricorn in the Chalit-bhava,ie,the same planet is in its > > > > mooltrikona in the natal chart but becomes debilitated in the > > > > chalit-bhava-----now which position of this Jupiter should be taken > > into > > > > account and what will be the result? > > > > > > > > 5] If the ascendant is, say, Leo of 5 degree then the 1st house > > actually > > > > ends at 20 degree in Leo itself and now suppose any planet is at 25 > > > > degree in Leo,shouldn't it be considered as placed in Virgo instead of > > > > in Leo ? > > > > > > > > 6] A planet at the ending degree of a rashi, say at 29 degree,is said > > to > > > > be Vriddha so weak and unable to confer results but the same planet > > > > becomes Atmakaraka [let's assume that it is having the highest degree] > > > > thus powerful---so what is the fact,is it powerful or powerless? > > > > > > > > 7] Suppose the ascendant is at 5 degree ,now if a planet is in the 4th > > > > house at 10 degree & another at 25 degree in the 10th house----then > > does > > > > these two planets really aspect each other by their seventh aspect? > > > > > > > > 8] Will a planet debilitated in both rashi and in navamsha give good > > > > results becuse it is vargottam ? > > > > > > > > 9] Is the assembling of many planets in a house bad ? > > > > > > > > 10] Retrograde planets---good or bad ? > > > > > > > > 11] If a planet is both retrograde and debilitated or viceversa -----is > > > > it good for that house where it is placed and for the house it > > owns?Does > > > > it behave as the exalted one? > > > > > > > > What will be the effect of the seventh house from here as it will > > aspect > > > > that house in 'Retrograde-Exaltation' or viceversa case too? > > > > > > > > 12] Debilitated malefics in 6th,8th,12th house----good or bad? > > Similarly > > > > exalted planets in these houses----good or bad ? > > > > > > > > 13] Who is signified by the planets placed in 7th house ---the person > > > > himself/herself or his/her partner? Suppose Mars ,Venus and Rahu are in > > > > the 7th house then who will be more sensuous : the person or the > > partner > > > > ? > > > > > > > > 14] Should Rahu and Ketu be considered as Char Karaka in Jaimini Char > > > > dasha system? > > > > > > > > 15] Which degree of Mrityubhaga is correct as there are several > > > > methods? > > > > > > > > 16] Tithi : Now a days many festivals are being celebrated on two days > > > > because of different views of so many prevalent panchangs. > > > > > > > > Will it not be proper to observe a particular tithi during its actual > > > > period of existence instead of mostly used Udita tithi ? > > > > > > > > Example : Suppose a particular festival is observed on Panchami > > > > tithi.Sunrise is at 6 a.m. on 20 Septeber 2009 [ just assumed ]. > > > > Panchami starts on this very date but at 8 a.m. and ends at 7 a.m. on > > 21 > > > > September next day. > > > > > > > > Now if we follow Udita tithi [tithi existing at the time of > > sunrise]then > > > > this festival will have to be observed on 21 September where Panchami > > > > exists only for one hour. > > > > > > > > So will it not be viable to celebrate this festival during its actual > > > > existence,that is, from 8 a.m. on 20 September 2009 to 7 a.m. on 21 > > > > September 2009 ? > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your kind guidance ! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Om > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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