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Dear Friends

 

There has been a number of discussions on this group recently regarding

guna of planets & nakshatras and also on the Extramarital Affairs or

multiple affairs.

 

In rushing to a hurried conclusion even Lord Krishna has been dragged in

!

 

I would like to mention few things ---

 

1] Astrology without considering the desh-kaal-vansha [Area or

country-Era or time--Heredity/Family] will lead us to terrible mess.

 

What about majority of couples or even singles in India even today who

have no extramarital affairs whatsoever? Is there no 7H,11H & 3H

relation in the charts of any of them?

 

Same thing can be said about the women of muslim world and many a

couples of western world as well.

 

Late Rajiv Gandhi ,the Ex- Prime minister of India had four planets in

his Leo lagna aspecting his 7H while his 7L Saturn was in 11H ,so what

to deduce?

 

2] Similarly in the modern times the working couples are opting for a

single child more & more[again it depends upon other factors like

country-era-family etc.] so do their charts indicate this ?

 

3] Unlike Govt.jobs where the employee retires at the age of 58 or 60 as

per the govt. rule,persons working in private sectors have to change

many times either by their choice or under compulsions,so do such

private sectors employee have any indications in their charts regarding

this and not those working in govt.enterprises ?

 

So instead of making a hurried and hasty conclusion while looking any

chart, taking every factor in its right perspective will be the right

approach.

 

Lord Krishna says in Bhagvatgeeta that no one is devoid of triguna :

sata,raja and tama ,it is only the proportion that differentiates.Apart

from this, persons own effort and bhakti make a difference.

 

When God incarnates He does not discard His own prakriti but He does not

come under the influence of this.

 

For example an aeroplane does not discard the gravity of Earth but

rather it supersedes it and the gravity does not stop it flying.

 

Lord Krishna had 16000 wives on paper only [i assume you know the

incident of Narkasur] and regarding his Raasleela,He was 6 yr old and

Radha was only 3 yr.old then.

 

What has been portrayed by the cine-world and few poets or lyricists is

not correct.

 

So He was not sensuous but master of all the senses and He was not

lustful but lustrous and illustrious in all His activities !

 

Regards

 

Om

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mr Om and others,

Affairs concerning relationships are an important aspect of life.and very

essential for one's survival

Sages have certainly taken note of these aspects and tried to define by way

anlysing various houses.Once the adulthood is attained,the concept of marriige

or vivah was considered as legitimate affair.For this every person is endowed

with biological ingredients by way hormones that are basic to human

existence.These too have also been covers by way of Kalpurusha explanation in

jyotish.other social aspects have also been defined for guidance of social

animal.The triguna concepts are common for the race as a whole.Every has all

trigunas in reuired proportion in relation to the Nature

1.If jyotish guides us from birth to death through 12 houses the significance of

each house from lagna to 7th(invisble half) and the other half till 12th becomes

an evolutionary aspect as life progresses.All 12 houses together meets most of

the requirement a human being needs in a (civilised) society set up.No doubt the

society where one lives has lots of dimensions from the point of view of social

animal

2In fact if we are concerned that the relationships that come through marriage

brings a man and woman together to promote the 'Kula and Gotra'at one

time,.times have certainly changed along with the objectives by way of living

together situation.

The world has security issues for a woman as well as a man..For a man he has to

address the frightening loneliness as he prepares himself to live on his own

legs and fight out the identity crisis.

At one stage,parents have to make their child independent so as to make his/her

own objectives fulfilled.

Extra martial relations some times are difficult to understand what might be the

factors involves.Even if 5 H involvement along with 11th and 7th could be

felt " it can not be termed extra martial.

I have seen many single woman and Man having all gestures and leading life .They

might be romantic but when it comes to biological concerns they are very clear

not to make any compromise.

Infact the relationshil acquired through marraige as husband wife might be

involving an institutional set up for continuing the race through procreation.In

several case they have no concern for race and other aspects.

Gopikas and krishna relations are difficult to be explained in Astrological

parlance.They can not be looked in terms of krishna as husband of 108 women to

be considered as wives.Their relation and their ages what ever that might be

have an element of emotions that concerns more of devotion.Krishna is for Gopika

..Gopika is for Krishna irrespective of ratio.It goes a blind mode that has

relevance to spirtual aspects.

when we r considering jyotish aspects and delineation through bhavas,issues like

extramartial affairs could be noticed but not necessary to have romantic

concerns or emotional aspects in real situations

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Om <astrops2122 wrote:

 

Om <astrops2122

Jumping to conclusion !

jyotish-vidya

Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends

 

 

 

There has been a number of discussions on this group recently regarding

 

guna of planets & nakshatras and also on the Extramarital Affairs or

 

multiple affairs.

 

 

 

In rushing to a hurried conclusion even Lord Krishna has been dragged in

 

!

 

 

 

I would like to mention few things ---

 

 

 

1] Astrology without considering the desh-kaal-vansha [Area or

 

country-Era or time--Heredity/ Family] will lead us to terrible mess.

 

 

 

What about majority of couples or even singles in India even today who

 

have no extramarital affairs whatsoever? Is there no 7H,11H & 3H

 

relation in the charts of any of them?

 

 

 

Same thing can be said about the women of muslim world and many a

 

couples of western world as well.

 

 

 

Late Rajiv Gandhi ,the Ex- Prime minister of India had four planets in

 

his Leo lagna aspecting his 7H while his 7L Saturn was in 11H ,so what

 

to deduce?

 

 

 

2] Similarly in the modern times the working couples are opting for a

 

single child more & more[again it depends upon other factors like

 

country-era- family etc.] so do their charts indicate this ?

 

 

 

3] Unlike Govt.jobs where the employee retires at the age of 58 or 60 as

 

per the govt. rule,persons working in private sectors have to change

 

many times either by their choice or under compulsions, so do such

 

private sectors employee have any indications in their charts regarding

 

this and not those working in govt.enterprises ?

 

 

 

So instead of making a hurried and hasty conclusion while looking any

 

chart, taking every factor in its right perspective will be the right

 

approach.

 

 

 

Lord Krishna says in Bhagvatgeeta that no one is devoid of triguna :

 

sata,raja and tama ,it is only the proportion that differentiates. Apart

 

from this, persons own effort and bhakti make a difference.

 

 

 

When God incarnates He does not discard His own prakriti but He does not

 

come under the influence of this.

 

 

 

For example an aeroplane does not discard the gravity of Earth but

 

rather it supersedes it and the gravity does not stop it flying.

 

 

 

Lord Krishna had 16000 wives on paper only [i assume you know the

 

incident of Narkasur] and regarding his Raasleela,He was 6 yr old and

 

Radha was only 3 yr.old then.

 

 

 

What has been portrayed by the cine-world and few poets or lyricists is

 

not correct.

 

 

 

So He was not sensuous but master of all the senses and He was not

 

lustful but lustrous and illustrious in all His activities !

 

 

 

Regards

 

 

 

Om

 

 

 

 

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Dear Om & Vettam,

 

Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga

sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like

you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to

familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically

and astrologically.

 

Here is a good place to start:

 

Thank You,

Vic DiCara

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Dear Mr Vic,Om and mebers,

Thank You  for for your kind gesture to provide the link to know the analysis

of krishna deeds.

We have accepeted  Bhakti Vedanta principles for over 3-4 decades and happen to

be members in their vedantic approaches.Even now we revel in joy and forget

ourselves in the process of Krishna Consciouness.The social implications and

their relevnce and justification through jyotish pricnciple to study the life of

krishna is some thing different

while analysing the Krishna as a divine personality and application of jyotish

principles might convince some significations of planets as well as

house.However the social concerns of Lord krishna have different concerns.might

be a kind of blind belief /faith.To be more clear it is the same kind when it

comes to punarvasu born lord Rama who had to face speration form Sita.finally

the reunion along wih notable daksha yagna in Treta Youga are more philosophical

concerns of human glory.

The application of jyotish principle to the lives of exceptional personalities

are unique. Different from jyotish analysis and the concern in these

illustration is more spirtual concern.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote:

 

Vic DiCara <vicdicara

Re: Jumping to conclusion !

jyotish-vidya

Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:32 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Om & Vettam,

 

 

 

Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva- Gadiya Rupanuga

sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like

you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to

familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically

and astrologically.

 

 

 

Here is a good place to start: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=m_ylURpojNE

 

 

 

Thank You,

 

Vic DiCara

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Vic,

 

As you know, before approving your request to post some links to your version of

Krishna's horoscope I advised you (in a private mail) of the following...

 

**I'm sure you will understand that since JV (a Parashara discussion group)

has members from many different religious backgrounds, I cannot allow it to

become a platform for any one religious group.**

 

I was well aware at the time of your status as an ISKCON devotee and that you

were currently (I believe) in charge of an ISKCON temple in Japan. However I'd

hoped that you'd be sensitive enough to take heed of my wish not to have JV

become a platform for any one religion. It seems my trust in your ability to

follow my (subtle) guidance in this regard was misplaced. It's time now, I'm

afraid, to abandon such subtleties and be more direct.

 

Although I am a Christian, I didn't hesitate to first correct and then

an over zealous Christian who was here (some time back) simply to

offer sermons to jyotish's who, in his view, were damned and in need of

salvation. I said to him what I say to you (again) now; This is a jyotish

discussion group based on the principles of Parashara's vimsottari dasa system.

We recognize that there are members here of all religious persuasions, even some

agnostics, and ALL have the right to participate in discussions without being

subjected to any one religious point of view...

 

I remember a conversation (on this topic) some time ago when I expressed the

view that, although I found the same eternal, infinite truth expressed in all

(bona-fide) religions, jyotish itself has been the greatest light on my path to

self-realization. I might also mention here that, although a Christian with

several bibles in my house, the one that's kept closest to me at all times is a

small copy of the Bhagavad-Gita, signed personally by the translator (Ramananda

Prasad). This I carry with me always in my handbag. I also have the Gita on tape

(a set of six tapes) with verses in both english and (chanted) in sanskrit.

 

I tell you this because I want you to understand that my objection is not to

Krishna, or Siva, or anything else; My objection is simply to (any) religious

zealot wishing to use the discussion group to promote their own mode of

expression whilst continually publicizing their website devoted to this. Please

desist from this and join the jyotish discussions.

 

Might I, once again, remind everyone of the contents of the group welcome

message...found here: jyotish-vidya/

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

===================

 

 

 

Vic DiCara

Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:32 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Jumping to conclusion !

 

 

 

Dear Om & Vettam,

 

Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga

sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like

you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to

familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically

and astrologically.

 

Here is a good place to start:

 

Thank You,

Vic DiCara

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a buddhist

temple here in Japan.

 

If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a nazi (or

an allied) agenda, right? Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I

am pushing some sectarian religion?

 

Most traditional forms of Vedic education (from grammar to jyotish) use Krishna

or Ramachandra as the topic / subject.

 

Since you approved my link (kindly, thank you), I didn't think you would mind me

referring to it again.

 

In any case, thank you for continuing to keep an interesting astrological forum

alive here. I appreciate your work.

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> As you know, before approving your request to post some links to your version

of Krishna's horoscope I advised you (in a private mail) of the following...

>

> **I'm sure you will understand that since JV (a Parashara discussion group)

> has members from many different religious backgrounds, I cannot allow it to

> become a platform for any one religious group.**

>

> I was well aware at the time of your status as an ISKCON devotee and that you

were currently (I believe) in charge of an ISKCON temple in Japan. However I'd

hoped that you'd be sensitive enough to take heed of my wish not to have JV

become a platform for any one religion. It seems my trust in your ability to

follow my (subtle) guidance in this regard was misplaced. It's time now, I'm

afraid, to abandon such subtleties and be more direct.

>

> Although I am a Christian, I didn't hesitate to first correct and then

an over zealous Christian who was here (some time back) simply to

offer sermons to jyotish's who, in his view, were damned and in need of

salvation. I said to him what I say to you (again) now; This is a jyotish

discussion group based on the principles of Parashara's vimsottari dasa system.

We recognize that there are members here of all religious persuasions, even some

agnostics, and ALL have the right to participate in discussions without being

subjected to any one religious point of view...

>

> I remember a conversation (on this topic) some time ago when I expressed the

view that, although I found the same eternal, infinite truth expressed in all

(bona-fide) religions, jyotish itself has been the greatest light on my path to

self-realization. I might also mention here that, although a Christian with

several bibles in my house, the one that's kept closest to me at all times is a

small copy of the Bhagavad-Gita, signed personally by the translator (Ramananda

Prasad). This I carry with me always in my handbag. I also have the Gita on tape

(a set of six tapes) with verses in both english and (chanted) in sanskrit.

>

> I tell you this because I want you to understand that my objection is not to

Krishna, or Siva, or anything else; My objection is simply to (any) religious

zealot wishing to use the discussion group to promote their own mode of

expression whilst continually publicizing their website devoted to this. Please

desist from this and join the jyotish discussions.

>

> Might I, once again, remind everyone of the contents of the group welcome

message...found here: jyotish-vidya/

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

> Vic DiCara

> Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:32 AM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Jumping to conclusion !

>

>

>

> Dear Om & Vettam,

>

> Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga

sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like

you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to

familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically

and astrologically.

>

> Here is a good place to start:

>

> Thank You,

> Vic DiCara

__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature

database 4978 (20100326) __________

>

> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

>

> http://www.eset.com

>

>

>

>

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Dear Vic,

 

No, I did not jump to any conclusion, as the heading suggests. But perhaps I was

misinformed? However this does not change the fact that your posts have

(excessively) promoted your own agenda. This would not be acceptable from any

member, so you should not take it as a personal attack.

 

///I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a buddhist

temple here in Japan.///

 

Be that as it may, but you surely must agree that this totally contradicts your

below post?

 

///Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga

sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like

you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to

familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically

and astrologically.

Here is a good place to start:

///

 

Now what (logical) conclusion could be arrived from this?

 

///If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a nazi

(or an allied) agenda, right?///

 

This is totally off point, Vic...and you know it!

 

///Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I am pushing some

sectarian religion?///

 

Do you not think that numerous links to your videos is pushing your own agenda?

 

Anyway, I have no desire to get involved in a lengthy debate here. I simply ask

you to respect the fact that this is a Parasara discussion group, and to be

mindful of the instructions (regarding outside links) which are given on the

group's website.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

===================

 

 

 

 

Vic DiCara

Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:19 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Jumping to conclusion !

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a buddhist

temple here in Japan.

 

If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a nazi (or

an allied) agenda, right? Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I

am pushing some sectarian religion?

 

Most traditional forms of Vedic education (from grammar to jyotish) use Krishna

or Ramachandra as the topic / subject.

 

Since you approved my link (kindly, thank you), I didn't think you would mind me

referring to it again.

 

In any case, thank you for continuing to keep an interesting astrological forum

alive here. I appreciate your work.

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> As you know, before approving your request to post some links to your version

of Krishna's horoscope I advised you (in a private mail) of the following...

>

> **I'm sure you will understand that since JV (a Parashara discussion group)

> has members from many different religious backgrounds, I cannot allow it to

> become a platform for any one religious group.**

>

> I was well aware at the time of your status as an ISKCON devotee and that you

were currently (I believe) in charge of an ISKCON temple in Japan. However I'd

hoped that you'd be sensitive enough to take heed of my wish not to have JV

become a platform for any one religion. It seems my trust in your ability to

follow my (subtle) guidance in this regard was misplaced. It's time now, I'm

afraid, to abandon such subtleties and be more direct.

>

> Although I am a Christian, I didn't hesitate to first correct and then

an over zealous Christian who was here (some time back) simply to

offer sermons to jyotish's who, in his view, were damned and in need of

salvation. I said to him what I say to you (again) now; This is a jyotish

discussion group based on the principles of Parashara's vimsottari dasa system.

We recognize that there are members here of all religious persuasions, even some

agnostics, and ALL have the right to participate in discussions without being

subjected to any one religious point of view...

>

> I remember a conversation (on this topic) some time ago when I expressed the

view that, although I found the same eternal, infinite truth expressed in all

(bona-fide) religions, jyotish itself has been the greatest light on my path to

self-realization. I might also mention here that, although a Christian with

several bibles in my house, the one that's kept closest to me at all times is a

small copy of the Bhagavad-Gita, signed personally by the translator (Ramananda

Prasad). This I carry with me always in my handbag. I also have the Gita on tape

(a set of six tapes) with verses in both english and (chanted) in sanskrit.

>

> I tell you this because I want you to understand that my objection is not to

Krishna, or Siva, or anything else; My objection is simply to (any) religious

zealot wishing to use the discussion group to promote their own mode of

expression whilst continually publicizing their website devoted to this. Please

desist from this and join the jyotish discussions.

>

> Might I, once again, remind everyone of the contents of the group welcome

message...found here: jyotish-vidya/

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

> Vic DiCara

> Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:32 AM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Jumping to conclusion !

>

>

>

> Dear Om & Vettam,

>

> Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga

sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like

you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to

familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically

and astrologically.

>

> Here is a good place to start:

>

> Thank You,

> Vic DiCara

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

> No, I did not jump to any conclusion, as the heading suggests. But perhaps I

was misinformed?

 

I did not write the heading, the person who started the topic did.

 

 

>This would not be acceptable from any member, so you should not take it as a

personal attack.

>

 

I do not feel attacked, that is OK. Thank you for saying so. I do feel

completely misunderstood.

 

 

> ///I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a

buddhist temple here in Japan.///

>

> Be that as it may, but you surely must agree that this totally contradicts

your below post?

>

 

I know you don't have a narrow mind which thinks that there is any essential

contradiction between one religion and another. They all fit together and work

together as pieces in the grand scheme of things. I think you agree with that.

 

And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my

personal spiritual integrity?

 

By the way " My Family " means my family - not my wife and kids. My 94 year old

grandfather has been the priest at this temple ( & #22269; & #20998; & #23546;) For

about 80 years. My Uncle, his son is now in his later 60s and has been assisting

his father for about 50 years. My cousin, grandfathers grandson is my age and is

now doing the main amount of work as the active priest.

 

 

 

>

> ///If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a

nazi (or an allied) agenda, right?///

>

> This is totally off point, Vic...and you know it!

>

 

Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON. It

is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing

nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for

Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your

discussion group.

 

These analogies show that I have been misunderstood.

 

 

> ///Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I am pushing some

sectarian religion?///

>

> Do you not think that numerous links to your videos is pushing your own

agenda?

>

 

I did not wish to repeat everything I had already said and explained so I

replied with a link to where I had already said and explained it. Additionally

this was a link you personally approved.

 

 

> Anyway, I have no desire to get involved in a lengthy debate here. I simply

ask you to respect the fact that this is a Parasara discussion group, and to be

mindful of the instructions (regarding outside links) which are given on the

group's website.

>

 

In light of what I have just explained, I am not sure how I have broken these

instructions.

 

I didn't want to cause any fuss in returning here. I apologize.

 

Let's not waste more time in debating this unless you insist that it has some

relevance to your group. I would not mind at all discussing it with you in

personal email if you wish to continue the discussion. Otherwise it is simply a

misunderstanding so let's just let it rest and learn from it.

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

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Dear Vic,

 

///And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my

personal spiritual integrity?///

 

No Vic, I did not question your personal spiritual integrity nor did I, in fact,

even raise the topic. It was you (yourself) who introduced the thread regarding

your spiritual credentials, as seen below.

 

///Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga

sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like

you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to

familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically

and astrologically.///

 

My objection was to your continued efforts to direct members to your teaching

videos, which, by what I've seen, are focused very much on your own religious

point of view. I am not objecting to you having a particular view about

anything...what I am objecting to is your use of JV as a platform for your

teaching material.

 

You must know, Vic that I'm not in agreement with much of what is offered on

your site... to avoid further conflict I will not go into the reasons why. But

can't you see that by allowing this to continue unchecked, I would be virtually

giving my stamp of approval. Yes, in the spirit of giving a person " A Fair Go " ,

I allowed the initial Videos to be posted. However it was never intended to be a

free license for a steady flow of (teaching) videos.

 

///Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON.

It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing

nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for

Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your

discussion group.///

 

This again is a completely unrealistic analogy as the other charts you mention

can be calculated and interpreted for study purposes, whereas your proposed

chart for Krishna is unverifiable (astronomically) and therefore cannot be

scrutinized. This is little more than your opinion of what Krishna's chart

should be...there's no possibility for (any) scientific verification, so where's

the value for study purposes? Besides it was you (yourself) who made the point

of your ISKCON connection...this was what initiated my response...see above!

 

///I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you wish

to continue the discussion.///

 

Unfortunately the sheer volume of personal mail makes it impractical for me to

respond. If members wish to make a point regarding jyotish or the way the group

is managed, they should address their mail to the group itself...that's what

it's here for!

 

Like you, I do hope that we can recover from this conflict and focus our

attention once again on jyotish.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

===================

 

 

 

 

Vic DiCara

Monday, March 29, 2010 10:08 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Jumping to conclusion !

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

> No, I did not jump to any conclusion, as the heading suggests. But perhaps I

was misinformed?

 

I did not write the heading, the person who started the topic did.

 

>This would not be acceptable from any member, so you should not take it as a

personal attack.

>

 

I do not feel attacked, that is OK. Thank you for saying so. I do feel

completely misunderstood.

 

> ///I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a

buddhist temple here in Japan.///

>

> Be that as it may, but you surely must agree that this totally contradicts

your below post?

>

 

I know you don't have a narrow mind which thinks that there is any essential

contradiction between one religion and another. They all fit together and work

together as pieces in the grand scheme of things. I think you agree with that.

 

And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my

personal spiritual integrity?

 

By the way " My Family " means my family - not my wife and kids. My 94 year old

grandfather has been the priest at this temple ( & #22269; & #20998; & #23546;) For

about 80 years. My Uncle, his son is now in his later 60s and has been assisting

his father for about 50 years. My cousin, grandfathers grandson is my age and is

now doing the main amount of work as the active priest.

 

>

> ///If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a

nazi (or an allied) agenda, right?///

>

> This is totally off point, Vic...and you know it!

>

 

Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON. It

is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing

nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for

Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your

discussion group.

 

These analogies show that I have been misunderstood.

 

> ///Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I am pushing some

sectarian religion?///

>

> Do you not think that numerous links to your videos is pushing your own

agenda?

>

 

I did not wish to repeat everything I had already said and explained so I

replied with a link to where I had already said and explained it. Additionally

this was a link you personally approved.

 

> Anyway, I have no desire to get involved in a lengthy debate here. I simply

ask you to respect the fact that this is a Parasara discussion group, and to be

mindful of the instructions (regarding outside links) which are given on the

group's website.

>

 

In light of what I have just explained, I am not sure how I have broken these

instructions.

 

I didn't want to cause any fuss in returning here. I apologize.

 

Let's not waste more time in debating this unless you insist that it has some

relevance to your group. I would not mind at all discussing it with you in

personal email if you wish to continue the discussion. Otherwise it is simply a

misunderstanding so let's just let it rest and learn from it.

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

A topic came up which is of relevance to Krishna - that being the topic of

extramarital affairs and multiple partners. Using simple astrological principles

of lordships one can see that Krishna's classically accepted chart supports much

of what was discussed. I thought this would be of interest.

 

Other members brought up the topics of non-astrological relevance: regarding the

philosophical or moral nature of Krishna's affairs with the opposite sex. I

replied by stating that I am a devotee of Sri Krishna. (NOT that I am a " member

of ISKCON " ) And that if one is interested in understanding my opinion on these

matters they could view my videos and articles on the subject.

 

You could easily view this as (a) something which originated from other members

(therefore reprimand them, not me) and (b) an attempt by me not to clog your

parashari discussion group with non-astrological discussion of Krishna (thank me

instead of reprimand me). Instead you reprimand me for starting the

conversation, and accuse me of trying to populate your group with my own

(fanciful and biased) ideas.

 

As you say we all act according to our karma.

 

With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th

your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have

difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly

from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you

are now in Mercury/ Saturn.

 

For these very reasons I am sure you will be angered by this and take it as an

insult. It was not meant as an insult. Why not use it as a motivation to improve

and grow? You need to grow, I need to grow. We all need to grow.

 

You seem to look down upon me in a way which assumes vastly more knowledge,

realization and talent than I. Therefore you rarely if ever appreciate anything

I try to contribute to this science or to your discussion group. Your peers,

however, do not hold such a view and they always kindly compliment, encourage

and applaud me - even on the very same topics I have posted here - which you

have nothing but contempt for and only see the evils of: My assessment of how

the gunas overlap to create a spectrum of effects through the zodiac. And my

work on Sri Krishna's chart, for example. This shows that you are somewhat

abnormal in your response to me, so perhaps you should take this as an

opportunity for humility and re-evaluate your reactions to me and your

preconceptions of me and what I try to do.

 

Your Moon is 6th to mine, Your Sun is 12th to mine. Therefore we don't get along

and will never get along except by exercising the divinity of our freewill and

allowing our karma to make us GROW rather than define our limitations. We are

both born with Capricorn rising, therefore (with sun and moon not compatible) we

bite our crocodile teeth into one another and neither of us lets go.

 

Let's try to grow out of these patterns together and let go and accept one

another in a role of mutual understanding and acceptance.

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> ///And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my

personal spiritual integrity?///

>

> No Vic, I did not question your personal spiritual integrity nor did I, in

fact, even raise the topic. It was you (yourself) who introduced the thread

regarding your spiritual credentials, as seen below.

>

> ///Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya

Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you

would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the

series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation

philosophically and astrologically.///

>

> My objection was to your continued efforts to direct members to your teaching

videos, which, by what I've seen, are focused very much on your own religious

point of view. I am not objecting to you having a particular view about

anything...what I am objecting to is your use of JV as a platform for your

teaching material.

>

> You must know, Vic that I'm not in agreement with much of what is offered on

your site... to avoid further conflict I will not go into the reasons why. But

can't you see that by allowing this to continue unchecked, I would be virtually

giving my stamp of approval. Yes, in the spirit of giving a person " A Fair Go " ,

I allowed the initial Videos to be posted. However it was never intended to be a

free license for a steady flow of (teaching) videos.

>

> ///Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing

ISKCON. It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is

pushing nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is

working for Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members

on your discussion group.///

>

> This again is a completely unrealistic analogy as the other charts you mention

can be calculated and interpreted for study purposes, whereas your proposed

chart for Krishna is unverifiable (astronomically) and therefore cannot be

scrutinized. This is little more than your opinion of what Krishna's chart

should be...there's no possibility for (any) scientific verification, so where's

the value for study purposes? Besides it was you (yourself) who made the point

of your ISKCON connection...this was what initiated my response...see above!

>

> ///I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you

wish to continue the discussion.///

>

> Unfortunately the sheer volume of personal mail makes it impractical for me to

respond. If members wish to make a point regarding jyotish or the way the group

is managed, they should address their mail to the group itself...that's what

it's here for!

>

> Like you, I do hope that we can recover from this conflict and focus our

attention once again on jyotish.

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

>

> Vic DiCara

> Monday, March 29, 2010 10:08 AM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Jumping to conclusion !

>

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> > No, I did not jump to any conclusion, as the heading suggests. But perhaps I

was misinformed?

>

> I did not write the heading, the person who started the topic did.

>

> >This would not be acceptable from any member, so you should not take it as a

personal attack.

> >

>

> I do not feel attacked, that is OK. Thank you for saying so. I do feel

completely misunderstood.

>

> > ///I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a

buddhist temple here in Japan.///

> >

> > Be that as it may, but you surely must agree that this totally contradicts

your below post?

> >

>

> I know you don't have a narrow mind which thinks that there is any essential

contradiction between one religion and another. They all fit together and work

together as pieces in the grand scheme of things. I think you agree with that.

>

> And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my

personal spiritual integrity?

>

> By the way " My Family " means my family - not my wife and kids. My 94 year old

grandfather has been the priest at this temple ( & #22269; & #20998; & #23546;) For

about 80 years. My Uncle, his son is now in his later 60s and has been assisting

his father for about 50 years. My cousin, grandfathers grandson is my age and is

now doing the main amount of work as the active priest.

>

> >

> > ///If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a

nazi (or an allied) agenda, right?///

> >

> > This is totally off point, Vic...and you know it!

> >

>

> Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON.

It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing

nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for

Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your

discussion group.

>

> These analogies show that I have been misunderstood.

>

> > ///Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I am pushing some

sectarian religion?///

> >

> > Do you not think that numerous links to your videos is pushing your own

agenda?

> >

>

> I did not wish to repeat everything I had already said and explained so I

replied with a link to where I had already said and explained it. Additionally

this was a link you personally approved.

>

> > Anyway, I have no desire to get involved in a lengthy debate here. I simply

ask you to respect the fact that this is a Parasara discussion group, and to be

mindful of the instructions (regarding outside links) which are given on the

group's website.

> >

>

> In light of what I have just explained, I am not sure how I have broken these

instructions.

>

> I didn't want to cause any fuss in returning here. I apologize.

>

> Let's not waste more time in debating this unless you insist that it has some

relevance to your group. I would not mind at all discussing it with you in

personal email if you wish to continue the discussion. Otherwise it is simply a

misunderstanding so let's just let it rest and learn from it.

>

> Sincerely,

> Vic DiCara

>

>

>

>

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Vic DiCara,

 

///My assessment of how the gunas overlap to create a spectrum of effects

through the zodiac. And my work on Sri Krishna's chart, for example. This shows

that you are somewhat abnormal in your response to me, so perhaps you should

take this as an opportunity for humility and re-evaluate your reactions to me

and your preconceptions of me and what I try to do.///

 

You impudent young man! How dare you presume to dictate to me in such a fashion!

May I remind you of when you first joined JV; See msg #8463 (pasted below). This

was your first post shortly after you commenced your studies in Vedic astrology.

Which means, of course, that; as of now, you've been studying jyotish for less

than 23 months as apposed to my 23 years...and this gives you the right to

lecture me on humility, to whom must I be humble?

 

///jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Hello all!

>

> I just d to this group today. I am a beginner and am looking

> forward to interacting with all of you. My name is either " Vic " or

> " Vraj Kishor " - whatever you like. I spent a lot of time as a

> Bramachary in ISKCON/Hare Krishna where I got good exposure to

> Sanskrit etc. In Rahu-Mercury I ran a school for studying Gita, Isa-

> Upanishad, and Bhakti Rasamrita Sindhu of Rupa Goswami based on the

> Sankrit. Then in Rahu-Venus I got married. I have bad marital karma,

> but a great wife who has the ability to bend that karma and keep

> things together and auspicious for us. We're now together with two

> boys. One Scorpio Asc and one Pices Asc. I also spent a decade

> involved in professional punk-rock music (Rahu) in a band called

> " 108 " . This continues to this day.

>

> I work in computers, mainly programming and development of websites in

> PHP, with some sales.

>

> I'm just entering Jupiter-Mercury now, which I hope will be beneficial

> for quick assimilation of basic facts required for entry level

> proficiency into astrology.

>

> I'm Cap Asc, with Taurus moon.

>

> Again, looking forward to interacting with all of you.

>

> Yours,

> V///

 

I also need to point out that it was only a few short months into your studies

that you were offering both paid consultations and paid courses on your website,

which in some instances you're charging over $300. for i.e. yearly reading $301.

and a 2 part jyotish course for a combined cost of $621. What qualifies you to

offer this to the unsuspecting public? Really, Vic, such arrogant

self-aggrandizement I've rarely seen in anyone.

 

///You seem to look down upon me in a way which assumes vastly more knowledge,

realization and talent than I. Therefore you rarely if ever appreciate anything

I try to contribute to this science or to your discussion group.///

 

I disagree with your concepts and will never put my stamp of approval on them. I

remember well when you first drew a particular nakshatra chart (if my memory

serves me). I advised you of the correct positioning of lagna, but you argued

endlessly with me about it. I see now you have it as I had suggested. You are

rude, stubborn, and arrogant and that's the gist of it.

 

///With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th

your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have

difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly

from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you

are now in Mercury/ Saturn.///

 

If you truly wish to learn how to read a horoscope correctly perhaps you should

start on your own before progressing on to others. Note your second house of

speech occupied by Rahu (in his own nakshatra) whilst his dispositor

(debilitated lagnesh Saturn), in sign of debilitated Mars, aspects Jupiter in

10th. Unfortunately (debilitated Mars), 90% combust 8th lord Sun, is also

Jupiter's nakshatra lord.

 

We also find 9th lord Mercury conjunct Ketu in 8th (12th from 9th). Both 9th

lord and karaka (Jupiter) are afflicted in this chart. As is the house of speech

with both 2nd house and Mercury afflicted by the nodes who each occupy their own

nakshatra, so no saving grace here.

 

I should also bring the second house to your attention in order for you to

understand the compulsion you have to teach...qualified or not! As we know Rahu

is the planet of compulsion and in the 2nd house of education/educators there's

naturally a strong compulsion for you to teach. Unfortunately Rahu's dispositor

(lagnesh Saturn) is debilitated as is his dispositor (Mars)....what does this

tell you? Both Mars and Saturn are aspecting 9th karaka Jupiter.

 

Hence your intolerable impudence!

 

 

///Let's try to grow out of these patterns together and let go and accept one

another in a role of mutual understanding and acceptance.///

 

Hell will freeze over before THAT ever happens!

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

===================

 

 

 

Vic DiCara

Monday, March 29, 2010 1:25 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Jumping to conclusion !

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

A topic came up which is of relevance to Krishna - that being the topic of

extramarital affairs and multiple partners. Using simple astrological principles

of lordships one can see that Krishna's classically accepted chart supports much

of what was discussed. I thought this would be of interest.

 

Other members brought up the topics of non-astrological relevance: regarding the

philosophical or moral nature of Krishna's affairs with the opposite sex. I

replied by stating that I am a devotee of Sri Krishna. (NOT that I am a " member

of ISKCON " ) And that if one is interested in understanding my opinion on these

matters they could view my videos and articles on the subject.

 

You could easily view this as (a) something which originated from other members

(therefore reprimand them, not me) and (b) an attempt by me not to clog your

parashari discussion group with non-astrological discussion of Krishna (thank me

instead of reprimand me). Instead you reprimand me for starting the

conversation, and accuse me of trying to populate your group with my own

(fanciful and biased) ideas.

 

As you say we all act according to our karma.

 

With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th

your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have

difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly

from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you

are now in Mercury/ Saturn.

 

For these very reasons I am sure you will be angered by this and take it as an

insult. It was not meant as an insult. Why not use it as a motivation to improve

and grow? You need to grow, I need to grow. We all need to grow.

 

You seem to look down upon me in a way which assumes vastly more knowledge,

realization and talent than I. Therefore you rarely if ever appreciate anything

I try to contribute to this science or to your discussion group. Your peers,

however, do not hold such a view and they always kindly compliment, encourage

and applaud me - even on the very same topics I have posted here - which you

have nothing but contempt for and only see the evils of: My assessment of how

the gunas overlap to create a spectrum of effects through the zodiac. And my

work on Sri Krishna's chart, for example. This shows that you are somewhat

abnormal in your response to me, so perhaps you should take this as an

opportunity for humility and re-evaluate your reactions to me and your

preconceptions of me and what I try to do.

 

Your Moon is 6th to mine, Your Sun is 12th to mine. Therefore we don't get along

and will never get along except by exercising the divinity of our freewill and

allowing our karma to make us GROW rather than define our limitations. We are

both born with Capricorn rising, therefore (with sun and moon not compatible) we

bite our crocodile teeth into one another and neither of us lets go.

 

Let's try to grow out of these patterns together and let go and accept one

another in a role of mutual understanding and acceptance.

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> ///And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my

personal spiritual integrity?///

>

> No Vic, I did not question your personal spiritual integrity nor did I, in

fact, even raise the topic. It was you (yourself) who introduced the thread

regarding your spiritual credentials, as seen below.

>

> ///Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya

Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you

would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the

series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation

philosophically and astrologically.///

>

> My objection was to your continued efforts to direct members to your teaching

videos, which, by what I've seen, are focused very much on your own religious

point of view. I am not objecting to you having a particular view about

anything...what I am objecting to is your use of JV as a platform for your

teaching material.

>

> You must know, Vic that I'm not in agreement with much of what is offered on

your site... to avoid further conflict I will not go into the reasons why. But

can't you see that by allowing this to continue unchecked, I would be virtually

giving my stamp of approval. Yes, in the spirit of giving a person " A Fair Go " ,

I allowed the initial Videos to be posted. However it was never intended to be a

free license for a steady flow of (teaching) videos.

>

> ///Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing

ISKCON. It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is

pushing nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is

working for Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members

on your discussion group.///

>

> This again is a completely unrealistic analogy as the other charts you mention

can be calculated and interpreted for study purposes, whereas your proposed

chart for Krishna is unverifiable (astronomically) and therefore cannot be

scrutinized. This is little more than your opinion of what Krishna's chart

should be...there's no possibility for (any) scientific verification, so where's

the value for study purposes? Besides it was you (yourself) who made the point

of your ISKCON connection...this was what initiated my response...see above!

>

> ///I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you

wish to continue the discussion.///

>

> Unfortunately the sheer volume of personal mail makes it impractical for me to

respond. If members wish to make a point regarding jyotish or the way the group

is managed, they should address their mail to the group itself...that's what

it's here for!

>

> Like you, I do hope that we can recover from this conflict and focus our

attention once again on jyotish.

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I don't agree with you, but I do apologize. Sorry for bothering you so.

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Vic DiCara,

>

> ///My assessment of how the gunas overlap to create a spectrum of effects

through the zodiac. And my work on Sri Krishna's chart, for example. This shows

that you are somewhat abnormal in your response to me, so perhaps you should

take this as an opportunity for humility and re-evaluate your reactions to me

and your preconceptions of me and what I try to do.///

>

> You impudent young man! How dare you presume to dictate to me in such a

fashion!

> May I remind you of when you first joined JV; See msg #8463 (pasted below).

This was your first post shortly after you commenced your studies in Vedic

astrology. Which means, of course, that; as of now, you've been studying jyotish

for less than 23 months as apposed to my 23 years...and this gives you the right

to lecture me on humility, to whom must I be humble?

>

> ///jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello all!

> >

> > I just d to this group today. I am a beginner and am looking

> > forward to interacting with all of you. My name is either " Vic " or

> > " Vraj Kishor " - whatever you like. I spent a lot of time as a

> > Bramachary in ISKCON/Hare Krishna where I got good exposure to

> > Sanskrit etc. In Rahu-Mercury I ran a school for studying Gita, Isa-

> > Upanishad, and Bhakti Rasamrita Sindhu of Rupa Goswami based on the

> > Sankrit. Then in Rahu-Venus I got married. I have bad marital karma,

> > but a great wife who has the ability to bend that karma and keep

> > things together and auspicious for us. We're now together with two

> > boys. One Scorpio Asc and one Pices Asc. I also spent a decade

> > involved in professional punk-rock music (Rahu) in a band called

> > " 108 " . This continues to this day.

> >

> > I work in computers, mainly programming and development of websites in

> > PHP, with some sales.

> >

> > I'm just entering Jupiter-Mercury now, which I hope will be beneficial

> > for quick assimilation of basic facts required for entry level

> > proficiency into astrology.

> >

> > I'm Cap Asc, with Taurus moon.

> >

> > Again, looking forward to interacting with all of you.

> >

> > Yours,

> > V///

>

> I also need to point out that it was only a few short months into your studies

that you were offering both paid consultations and paid courses on your website,

which in some instances you're charging over $300. for i.e. yearly reading $301.

and a 2 part jyotish course for a combined cost of $621. What qualifies you to

offer this to the unsuspecting public? Really, Vic, such arrogant

self-aggrandizement I've rarely seen in anyone.

>

> ///You seem to look down upon me in a way which assumes vastly more knowledge,

realization and talent than I. Therefore you rarely if ever appreciate anything

I try to contribute to this science or to your discussion group.///

>

> I disagree with your concepts and will never put my stamp of approval on them.

I remember well when you first drew a particular nakshatra chart (if my memory

serves me). I advised you of the correct positioning of lagna, but you argued

endlessly with me about it. I see now you have it as I had suggested. You are

rude, stubborn, and arrogant and that's the gist of it.

>

> ///With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your

8th your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and

have difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge

slightly from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter,

since you are now in Mercury/ Saturn.///

>

> If you truly wish to learn how to read a horoscope correctly perhaps you

should start on your own before progressing on to others. Note your second house

of speech occupied by Rahu (in his own nakshatra) whilst his dispositor

(debilitated lagnesh Saturn), in sign of debilitated Mars, aspects Jupiter in

10th. Unfortunately (debilitated Mars), 90% combust 8th lord Sun, is also

Jupiter's nakshatra lord.

>

> We also find 9th lord Mercury conjunct Ketu in 8th (12th from 9th). Both 9th

lord and karaka (Jupiter) are afflicted in this chart. As is the house of speech

with both 2nd house and Mercury afflicted by the nodes who each occupy their own

nakshatra, so no saving grace here.

>

> I should also bring the second house to your attention in order for you to

understand the compulsion you have to teach...qualified or not! As we know Rahu

is the planet of compulsion and in the 2nd house of education/educators there's

naturally a strong compulsion for you to teach. Unfortunately Rahu's dispositor

(lagnesh Saturn) is debilitated as is his dispositor (Mars)....what does this

tell you? Both Mars and Saturn are aspecting 9th karaka Jupiter.

>

> Hence your intolerable impudence!

>

>

> ///Let's try to grow out of these patterns together and let go and accept one

another in a role of mutual understanding and acceptance.///

>

> Hell will freeze over before THAT ever happens!

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

> Vic DiCara

> Monday, March 29, 2010 1:25 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Jumping to conclusion !

>

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> A topic came up which is of relevance to Krishna - that being the topic of

extramarital affairs and multiple partners. Using simple astrological principles

of lordships one can see that Krishna's classically accepted chart supports much

of what was discussed. I thought this would be of interest.

>

> Other members brought up the topics of non-astrological relevance: regarding

the philosophical or moral nature of Krishna's affairs with the opposite sex. I

replied by stating that I am a devotee of Sri Krishna. (NOT that I am a " member

of ISKCON " ) And that if one is interested in understanding my opinion on these

matters they could view my videos and articles on the subject.

>

> You could easily view this as (a) something which originated from other

members (therefore reprimand them, not me) and (b) an attempt by me not to clog

your parashari discussion group with non-astrological discussion of Krishna

(thank me instead of reprimand me). Instead you reprimand me for starting the

conversation, and accuse me of trying to populate your group with my own

(fanciful and biased) ideas.

>

> As you say we all act according to our karma.

>

> With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th

your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have

difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly

from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you

are now in Mercury/ Saturn.

>

> For these very reasons I am sure you will be angered by this and take it as an

insult. It was not meant as an insult. Why not use it as a motivation to improve

and grow? You need to grow, I need to grow. We all need to grow.

>

> You seem to look down upon me in a way which assumes vastly more knowledge,

realization and talent than I. Therefore you rarely if ever appreciate anything

I try to contribute to this science or to your discussion group. Your peers,

however, do not hold such a view and they always kindly compliment, encourage

and applaud me - even on the very same topics I have posted here - which you

have nothing but contempt for and only see the evils of: My assessment of how

the gunas overlap to create a spectrum of effects through the zodiac. And my

work on Sri Krishna's chart, for example. This shows that you are somewhat

abnormal in your response to me, so perhaps you should take this as an

opportunity for humility and re-evaluate your reactions to me and your

preconceptions of me and what I try to do.

>

> Your Moon is 6th to mine, Your Sun is 12th to mine. Therefore we don't get

along and will never get along except by exercising the divinity of our freewill

and allowing our karma to make us GROW rather than define our limitations. We

are both born with Capricorn rising, therefore (with sun and moon not

compatible) we bite our crocodile teeth into one another and neither of us lets

go.

>

> Let's try to grow out of these patterns together and let go and accept one

another in a role of mutual understanding and acceptance.

>

> Sincerely,

> Vic DiCara

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vic,

> >

> > ///And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my

personal spiritual integrity?///

> >

> > No Vic, I did not question your personal spiritual integrity nor did I, in

fact, even raise the topic. It was you (yourself) who introduced the thread

regarding your spiritual credentials, as seen below.

> >

> > ///Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya

Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you

would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the

series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation

philosophically and astrologically.///

> >

> > My objection was to your continued efforts to direct members to your

teaching videos, which, by what I've seen, are focused very much on your own

religious point of view. I am not objecting to you having a particular view

about anything...what I am objecting to is your use of JV as a platform for your

teaching material.

> >

> > You must know, Vic that I'm not in agreement with much of what is offered on

your site... to avoid further conflict I will not go into the reasons why. But

can't you see that by allowing this to continue unchecked, I would be virtually

giving my stamp of approval. Yes, in the spirit of giving a person " A Fair Go " ,

I allowed the initial Videos to be posted. However it was never intended to be a

free license for a steady flow of (teaching) videos.

> >

> > ///Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing

ISKCON. It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is

pushing nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is

working for Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members

on your discussion group.///

> >

> > This again is a completely unrealistic analogy as the other charts you

mention can be calculated and interpreted for study purposes, whereas your

proposed chart for Krishna is unverifiable (astronomically) and therefore cannot

be scrutinized. This is little more than your opinion of what Krishna's chart

should be...there's no possibility for (any) scientific verification, so where's

the value for study purposes? Besides it was you (yourself) who made the point

of your ISKCON connection...this was what initiated my response...see above!

> >

> > ///I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you

wish to continue the discussion.///

> >

> > Unfortunately the sheer volume of personal mail makes it impractical for me

to respond. If members wish to make a point regarding jyotish or the way the

group is managed, they should address their mail to the group itself...that's

what it's here for!

> >

> > Like you, I do hope that we can recover from this conflict and focus our

attention once again on jyotish.

> >

> > Best Wishes

> > Mrs.Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

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Vic DiCara,

 

///I don't agree with you///

 

Of course you don't agree with what the planets are saying! However, there is a

history (in your own words) that confirms the malefic influences in regards to

9th house and karaka Jupiter. As we know, both 9th bhava and Jupiter signify

such things as religion, guru, guide (teacher/preceptor) etc..

 

And as stated earlier, both are afflicted by either aspect or conjunction. 9th

lord Mercury is suffering 'papa kartari yoga' (enclosed by malefics) in 8th

house of occult, whilst karaka Jupiter is aspected by both debilitated Saturn

(dispositor of Rahu) and debilitated Mars (dispositor of Saturn). Certainly

Jupiter's aspect on both 2nd house (education/educators) and lagnesh Saturn

ensures activities associated with religion. But there can be no doubt that, due

to malefic influences, you are rebellious against traditional religious

traditions and disrespectful towards traditional teachers (guides/mentors).

 

As proof of this let's take a look at your own words in regards to the occult...

**I have been drawn to supernatural stuff for as long as I can remember. But all

the standard religion I encountered in my youth was too overtly traditional and

conformist for me. My gateway into the supernatural world came instead through

the rebellious personalities of underground music.**

 

And, again here...

**Nevertheless, Vic, or Vraja-kishore as we'd like to remember him, did

contribute a lot to spreading Krishna consciousness through this medium. The

changes he tried to make to some problems with the movement were sincere no

doubt, but change always comes about gradually through co-operation and

dialogue, not fanaticism and complete exclusion from what is perceived as 'the

norm'.**

 

And again, in regards to your first guru (guide)...

**I had found a real-life group of people who wanted to read secret languages

and dress up like Gandalf the wizard! That was what really, subconsciously,

hooked me on the Hari's. My First Guru I first met, Ray Cappo...**

 

**Me and Cappo started to butt heads a lot. He had a certain charisma and

approach to preaching about Krishna consciousness that I thought was really

sensational and irritating.**

 

Here is a link to the above quotes:

http://www.krishnacore.com/biographies/108_bio.html

 

Do you not see a pattern here, Vic? And you're repeating it again now on

JV...rebellious against both the traditions of Parasari jyotish, and total

disrespect towards the owner/moderator of an established Parasara discussion

group.

 

As hard as it might be for you to believe, I'm not wanting to cause you any

pain; but if you truly want to continue with your jyotish studies you need to be

able (at least) to understand your own chart before reading others and/or

(heaven forbid) teaching this divine science...for a hefty fee, no less!

 

Your effort at reading my chart is a prime example of your lack of

experience...nothing more than an immature attempt to score a point!

 

///With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th

your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have

difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly

from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you

are now in Mercury/ Saturn.///

 

As you know lagnesh Saturn, lord of 2nd house of speech, occupies house of great

friend in sign of exalted 9th lord Mercury (significator for speech), whilst

exalted Jupiter conjuncts Rahu in nakshatra of 9th lord Mercury. As you're now

associated with a Buddhist temple you may find the following link of some

interest: http://jyotishvidya.com/rahu.htm

 

No doubt combust Venus in 8th has brought some problems in regards to chronic

health, family happiness, worries and concerns in regards to children, problems

in relation to spouse and ups & downs in regards to status in life.

 

Very few escape some difficulties in life (negative karma) but your

interpretation, from a traditional perspective, is extremely immature and

short-sighted.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

===================

 

 

 

 

Vic DiCara

Monday, March 29, 2010 9:09 PM

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Re: Jumping to conclusion !

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I don't agree with you, but I do apologize. Sorry for bothering you so.

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I apologize for disturbing you. I apologize for appearing to be trying to spread

a personal agenda on your site. It is not important that this was not my true

intention - what is important is that you perceived it this way and that I

apologize for it.

 

You have clearly made it known that you do not consider me qualified to act as

an astrologer and teach astrology. I shall take heed of your opinion. Do note

that it is one opinion among many. And it is one that the many do not agree with

or share. In fact it is quite diametrically opposite from most opinions of

persons on comparable levels of knowledge, experience and accomplishment as your

good self.

 

Now let's talk about birth charts. Let's not talk about yours in this fashion

unless and until you would like us to. Let's talk about mine.

 

In my small opinion, reading ones own chart correctly requires humility,

sincerity, tolerance, patience and so forth - far more than it requires

technical astrological expertise or experience. Therefore it is really good to

hear from OTHER PEOPLE about one's own chart. I especially appreciate and value

your insights and perspective on the karmas which make me who I am.

 

So far you have offered the following very interesting insights:

 

 

- My 2nd house is occupied by Rahu who is in satabhishak nakshatra

 

I agree with you this can be very negative. It will take " 1000 Doctors " to cure

the rebelliousness of my words! I will never let anything conventional pass my

lips. This can be extremely burdensome and tiring on those who seek to govern or

control or even beneficially guide and direct me. My Guru, for example, has had

to show me the utmost patience and tolerance to grant me the blessings of his

teachings. For this I am very grateful as well as sorry.

 

On the other hand, Sri Rahu thus blesses me with the ability to revolutionize

things under his guidance.

 

 

- My 2nd house lord, Saturn (also lagnesh) is debilitated in the 4th house

 

I agree that the debilitated lord weakens the significations of the house. With

Saturn debilitated I have found that I lack the intrinsic ability to " apply the

brakes " - to know when to stop - to know when " enough is enough " Therefore I say

things I should have refrained from saying.

 

For example, in the reply which insulted you so, I actually wrote " I know you

will take this as an insult but... " yet continued to write. If Saturn were not

debilitated perhaps I would have stopped there, thinking, " Well since she would

only take this as an insult, don't bother writing it. "

 

On the other hand it is rather enjoyable and nice to have the 2nd lord here in

the 4th house - I feel it lends to sincerity. I say (2nd house) what is in my

heart (emotional heart - 4th house) without trying to hide, calculate or

restrain it much (saturn).

 

Do note that saturn has three positive amshas, though. And modification of

debility. Perhaps this is why there are also some positive benefits of Saturn in

my chart which I am fortunate to have and cherish.

 

 

- My debilitated Saturn aspects Jupiter who is in my 10th House, in Chitra,

which is a nakshatra owned by Mars.

 

From this I think you are indicating that the Jupiter in my 10th house is under

malady from having his nakshatra lord debilitated and aspected by a malefic who

is debilitated. This is one of two factors leading you to point out that I am

compelled to be a teacher and " guru " even though I am not qualified? (The 2nd

factor being the compelling Rahu in the house of knowledge).

 

Honestly I am not entirely sure I can see this from your point of view.

 

Should we take into account that all of these mutual kendras (between Jupiter,

Saturn and Mars) are giving strength and support to one another, improving their

debilities rather than amplifying their faults? Should we also take into account

that Jupiter's mutual aspect with Saturn forms a " Parvata Yoga " - which more or

less causes a native to rise above the masses of people as a result of erudition

and oratory skill?

 

 

 

- My 9th lord is in the 8th house with Ketu. And Jupiter (the natural

representative of the 9th house) is also afflicted as described above.

 

I also may not, unfortunately, be blessed to see your point of view here. I

apologize. For the reasons I mentioned above, I can't see the view that Jupiter

is significantly damaged in my chart.

 

I see what you are saying that my 9th lord is in the 8th house w/ ketu - of

course. from what I see Parashara does not give a negative description to this

lordship yoga pertaining to the natives attitude towards religion or piety (of

course you know more than me of the jyotish shastra dictums - so please correct

me if I am missing something).

 

It seems you were seeing this situation as an illustration that I have poor

morals or poor humility?

 

Isn't the 8th house a rather humble and humiliating place in the sky? Planets

there are falling towards the Western horizon, coming face to face with their

inevitable " death " when they set. I would think that maybe the 9th lord in the

8th house could promote a morality which has that flavor? Especially in

combination with the humble/humiliating Ketu, right?

 

On the other hand, not only is the 9th lord in my 8th house - also my 10th lord

is there: yogakaraka Venus. This makes things really interesting since it is now

a dharma-karma-adhipati yoga, correct? And this yoga occurs on the Rahu/Ketu

axis. Might not this yoga have some important bearing on the planets who occupy

the houses owned by the planets involved: the Moon in Taurus and Jupiter in

Libra? And also upon Rahu himself. So maybe this auspicious yoga should be

factored in to ones evaluation of my Rahu and Jupiter? Did you do so?

 

My 8th house Mercury is really a problem spot, though. I agree. I speak well on

mystical matters and occult, but boy I have a tendency to get myself arguments

and cause huge flareups of controversial discussion!!! This accompanies me

everywhere I go at all times. Between Rahu in my second house and Mercury here

in this degree of the 8th I am like a walking debate! =)

 

I think a contributing factor why this Mercury has burdened me so in this way is

that he is at 1º27 " and my Ascendant is at 1º40 " . This is recognized in

tajjika/western aspects, but in Vedic astrology we see the effect of these

" orbs " in peculiar patterns throughout the vargas. Mercury is extremely

effective in my chart as a result of this.

 

On the negative side " 8th house speech " is just about all I can talk! On the

bright side this gives me a special ability to discuss the symbolic and

spiritual.

 

On this same topic the only planet closer than Mercury in " orb " to my ascendant

is Jupiter. My two most effective planets are Jupiter (the teacher) and Mercury

(the student).

 

Of course Jupiter is a negative lord for the Capricorn rising sign - since he

owns the 12th and 3rd house. Additionally, being opposite my Saturn he has

become inimical to my chart lord. So it can certainly support views that I am a

lusty miscreant barbarian! On the other hand, with a kinder eye one can see that

not only am I a lusty miscreat barbarian, I am also a person who relatively well

succeeds in taking foreign (12th house) concepts - especially occult and

spiritual foreign concepts - and expressing them clearly (chitra) in writing

(3rd house) a part of my guidance / councelling / teaching (Jupiter) oriented

career (10th house).

 

Of course this assessment has exclusively been aimed at finding ways for me to

understand how I am a rogue. Therefore we have ignored things which might

obviously be to the contrary - though I admit maybe they are few! In any case,

thank you for taking the time to help me understand myself. I hope that you will

continue to do so and offer your valuable insight.

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Vic DiCara,

>

> ///I don't agree with you///

>

> Of course you don't agree with what the planets are saying! However, there is

a history (in your own words) that confirms the malefic influences in regards to

9th house and karaka Jupiter. As we know, both 9th bhava and Jupiter signify

such things as religion, guru, guide (teacher/preceptor) etc..

>

> And as stated earlier, both are afflicted by either aspect or conjunction. 9th

lord Mercury is suffering 'papa kartari yoga' (enclosed by malefics) in 8th

house of occult, whilst karaka Jupiter is aspected by both debilitated Saturn

(dispositor of Rahu) and debilitated Mars (dispositor of Saturn). Certainly

Jupiter's aspect on both 2nd house (education/educators) and lagnesh Saturn

ensures activities associated with religion. But there can be no doubt that, due

to malefic influences, you are rebellious against traditional religious

traditions and disrespectful towards traditional teachers (guides/mentors).

>

> As proof of this let's take a look at your own words in regards to the

occult...

> **I have been drawn to supernatural stuff for as long as I can remember. But

all the standard religion I encountered in my youth was too overtly traditional

and conformist for me. My gateway into the supernatural world came instead

through the rebellious personalities of underground music.**

>

> And, again here...

> **Nevertheless, Vic, or Vraja-kishore as we'd like to remember him, did

contribute a lot to spreading Krishna consciousness through this medium. The

changes he tried to make to some problems with the movement were sincere no

doubt, but change always comes about gradually through co-operation and

dialogue, not fanaticism and complete exclusion from what is perceived as 'the

norm'.**

>

> And again, in regards to your first guru (guide)...

> **I had found a real-life group of people who wanted to read secret languages

and dress up like Gandalf the wizard! That was what really, subconsciously,

hooked me on the Hari's. My First Guru I first met, Ray Cappo...**

>

> **Me and Cappo started to butt heads a lot. He had a certain charisma and

approach to preaching about Krishna consciousness that I thought was really

sensational and irritating.**

>

> Here is a link to the above quotes:

http://www.krishnacore.com/biographies/108_bio.html

>

> Do you not see a pattern here, Vic? And you're repeating it again now on

JV...rebellious against both the traditions of Parasari jyotish, and total

disrespect towards the owner/moderator of an established Parasara discussion

group.

>

> As hard as it might be for you to believe, I'm not wanting to cause you any

pain; but if you truly want to continue with your jyotish studies you need to be

able (at least) to understand your own chart before reading others and/or

(heaven forbid) teaching this divine science...for a hefty fee, no less!

>

> Your effort at reading my chart is a prime example of your lack of

experience...nothing more than an immature attempt to score a point!

>

> ///With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your

8th your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and

have difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge

slightly from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter,

since you are now in Mercury/ Saturn.///

>

> As you know lagnesh Saturn, lord of 2nd house of speech, occupies house of

great friend in sign of exalted 9th lord Mercury (significator for speech),

whilst exalted Jupiter conjuncts Rahu in nakshatra of 9th lord Mercury. As

you're now associated with a Buddhist temple you may find the following link of

some interest: http://jyotishvidya.com/rahu.htm

>

> No doubt combust Venus in 8th has brought some problems in regards to chronic

health, family happiness, worries and concerns in regards to children, problems

in relation to spouse and ups & downs in regards to status in life.

>

> Very few escape some difficulties in life (negative karma) but your

interpretation, from a traditional perspective, is extremely immature and

short-sighted.

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

>

> Vic DiCara

> Monday, March 29, 2010 9:09 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Jumping to conclusion !

>

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> I don't agree with you, but I do apologize. Sorry for bothering you so.

>

> Sincerely,

> Vic DiCara

>

>

>

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Dear Vic,

 

///You have clearly made it known that you do not consider me qualified to act

as an astrologer and teach astrology. I shall take heed of your opinion. Do note

that it is one opinion among many. And it is one that the many do not agree with

or share. In fact it is quite diametrically opposite from most opinions of

persons on comparable levels of knowledge, experience and accomplishment as your

good self.///

 

You know, Vic, you truly do amaze me. On the one hand you appear to be quite

sincere then, almost in the very same breath, you imply that my opinion is

without any value whatsoever. At this point I'm unsure whether to ban you

completely or keep hoping for a change in attitude...almost there at times, but

straight away the bull sharpens his horns again...incredible!

 

Let me say this to you, Vic; No doubt, as I said back when you were a moderator

here, exalted 7th lord Moon in 5th gives you an ability to advise and counsel

others...I do not deny this! 7th, as I hope you know, shows our relationship

with all others whilst the 5th house signifies constructive intelligence from

which good advice and counsel can flow. When I first suggested (back then) that

you start reading charts I never for one minute envisaged that you would jump

straight into creating a website offering paid readings and lessons. I felt I'd

opened a 'Pandora's Box' when I saw what you were doing and straight away

regretted the advice I had given to you.

 

Seeing your chart, in light of traditional Vedic astrology, I feel it would be

more transparent (and honest, to be frank) if you presented yourself clearly as

a neo-vedic astrologer...if there ever could be such a thing? That way you would

avoid stepping on the toes of traditionalists and would, in fact, be presenting

yourself (through your website) in a more honest and transparent way. Like

labels on most goods sold today, people have a right to know what they're buying

into.

 

The rest I will not respond to right now as I'm extremely tired and in desperate

need of some rest...

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

===================

 

 

 

 

Vic DiCara

Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:44 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Jumping to conclusion !

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I apologize for disturbing you. I apologize for appearing to be trying to spread

a personal agenda on your site. It is not important that this was not my true

intention - what is important is that you perceived it this way and that I

apologize for it.

 

You have clearly made it known that you do not consider me qualified to act as

an astrologer and teach astrology. I shall take heed of your opinion. Do note

that it is one opinion among many. And it is one that the many do not agree with

or share. In fact it is quite diametrically opposite from most opinions of

persons on comparable levels of knowledge, experience and accomplishment as your

good self.

 

Now let's talk about birth charts. Let's not talk about yours in this fashion

unless and until you would like us to. Let's talk about mine.

 

In my small opinion, reading ones own chart correctly requires humility,

sincerity, tolerance, patience and so forth - far more than it requires

technical astrological expertise or experience. Therefore it is really good to

hear from OTHER PEOPLE about one's own chart. I especially appreciate and value

your insights and perspective on the karmas which make me who I am.

 

So far you have offered the following very interesting insights:

 

- My 2nd house is occupied by Rahu who is in satabhishak nakshatra

 

I agree with you this can be very negative. It will take " 1000 Doctors " to cure

the rebelliousness of my words! I will never let anything conventional pass my

lips. This can be extremely burdensome and tiring on those who seek to govern or

control or even beneficially guide and direct me. My Guru, for example, has had

to show me the utmost patience and tolerance to grant me the blessings of his

teachings. For this I am very grateful as well as sorry.

 

On the other hand, Sri Rahu thus blesses me with the ability to revolutionize

things under his guidance.

 

- My 2nd house lord, Saturn (also lagnesh) is debilitated in the 4th house

 

I agree that the debilitated lord weakens the significations of the house. With

Saturn debilitated I have found that I lack the intrinsic ability to " apply the

brakes " - to know when to stop - to know when " enough is enough " Therefore I say

things I should have refrained from saying.

 

For example, in the reply which insulted you so, I actually wrote " I know you

will take this as an insult but... " yet continued to write. If Saturn were not

debilitated perhaps I would have stopped there, thinking, " Well since she would

only take this as an insult, don't bother writing it. "

 

On the other hand it is rather enjoyable and nice to have the 2nd lord here in

the 4th house - I feel it lends to sincerity. I say (2nd house) what is in my

heart (emotional heart - 4th house) without trying to hide, calculate or

restrain it much (saturn).

 

Do note that saturn has three positive amshas, though. And modification of

debility. Perhaps this is why there are also some positive benefits of Saturn in

my chart which I am fortunate to have and cherish.

 

- My debilitated Saturn aspects Jupiter who is in my 10th House, in Chitra,

which is a nakshatra owned by Mars.

 

From this I think you are indicating that the Jupiter in my 10th house is under

malady from having his nakshatra lord debilitated and aspected by a malefic who

is debilitated. This is one of two factors leading you to point out that I am

compelled to be a teacher and " guru " even though I am not qualified? (The 2nd

factor being the compelling Rahu in the house of knowledge).

 

Honestly I am not entirely sure I can see this from your point of view.

 

Should we take into account that all of these mutual kendras (between Jupiter,

Saturn and Mars) are giving strength and support to one another, improving their

debilities rather than amplifying their faults? Should we also take into account

that Jupiter's mutual aspect with Saturn forms a " Parvata Yoga " - which more or

less causes a native to rise above the masses of people as a result of erudition

and oratory skill?

 

- My 9th lord is in the 8th house with Ketu. And Jupiter (the natural

representative of the 9th house) is also afflicted as described above.

 

I also may not, unfortunately, be blessed to see your point of view here. I

apologize. For the reasons I mentioned above, I can't see the view that Jupiter

is significantly damaged in my chart.

 

I see what you are saying that my 9th lord is in the 8th house w/ ketu - of

course. from what I see Parashara does not give a negative description to this

lordship yoga pertaining to the natives attitude towards religion or piety (of

course you know more than me of the jyotish shastra dictums - so please correct

me if I am missing something).

 

It seems you were seeing this situation as an illustration that I have poor

morals or poor humility?

 

Isn't the 8th house a rather humble and humiliating place in the sky? Planets

there are falling towards the Western horizon, coming face to face with their

inevitable " death " when they set. I would think that maybe the 9th lord in the

8th house could promote a morality which has that flavor? Especially in

combination with the humble/humiliating Ketu, right?

 

On the other hand, not only is the 9th lord in my 8th house - also my 10th lord

is there: yogakaraka Venus. This makes things really interesting since it is now

a dharma-karma-adhipati yoga, correct? And this yoga occurs on the Rahu/Ketu

axis. Might not this yoga have some important bearing on the planets who occupy

the houses owned by the planets involved: the Moon in Taurus and Jupiter in

Libra? And also upon Rahu himself. So maybe this auspicious yoga should be

factored in to ones evaluation of my Rahu and Jupiter? Did you do so?

 

My 8th house Mercury is really a problem spot, though. I agree. I speak well on

mystical matters and occult, but boy I have a tendency to get myself arguments

and cause huge flareups of controversial discussion!!! This accompanies me

everywhere I go at all times. Between Rahu in my second house and Mercury here

in this degree of the 8th I am like a walking debate! =)

 

I think a contributing factor why this Mercury has burdened me so in this way is

that he is at 1º27 " and my Ascendant is at 1º40 " . This is recognized in

tajjika/western aspects, but in Vedic astrology we see the effect of these

" orbs " in peculiar patterns throughout the vargas. Mercury is extremely

effective in my chart as a result of this.

 

On the negative side " 8th house speech " is just about all I can talk! On the

bright side this gives me a special ability to discuss the symbolic and

spiritual.

 

On this same topic the only planet closer than Mercury in " orb " to my ascendant

is Jupiter. My two most effective planets are Jupiter (the teacher) and Mercury

(the student).

 

Of course Jupiter is a negative lord for the Capricorn rising sign - since he

owns the 12th and 3rd house. Additionally, being opposite my Saturn he has

become inimical to my chart lord. So it can certainly support views that I am a

lusty miscreant barbarian! On the other hand, with a kinder eye one can see that

not only am I a lusty miscreat barbarian, I am also a person who relatively well

succeeds in taking foreign (12th house) concepts - especially occult and

spiritual foreign concepts - and expressing them clearly (chitra) in writing

(3rd house) a part of my guidance / councelling / teaching (Jupiter) oriented

career (10th house).

 

Of course this assessment has exclusively been aimed at finding ways for me to

understand how I am a rogue. Therefore we have ignored things which might

obviously be to the contrary - though I admit maybe they are few! In any case,

thank you for taking the time to help me understand myself. I hope that you will

continue to do so and offer your valuable insight.

 

Sincerely,

Vic DiCara

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I value your opinion as dearly as I value the opinions of other great

astrologers who help me and guide me. Is that wrong?

 

My Rahu is in Shatabhishak - you should know that even 1000 doctors could never

change my non-fundamentalist way of speaking. So if that is something you feel

is bad for your group, then just let me know not to post. There is no need to

ban me.

 

When I look carefully and with attempt to be open and receptive, at my own chart

what I see is a person who is fiercely devoted to ancient traditions - but

fiercely opposed to what I feel suffocates them and makes them irrelevant:

fundamentalism, dogma, and narrow thinking.

 

In my experience 99% of the people I interact with on a daily basis don't care

if I am a " neo-vedic " astrologer a " vedic " astrologer or a " western " astrologer

- they just want good information and clear, helpful, useful guidance. So I

don't really care to label myself this or that. In fact I have taken to just

calling myself an Astrologer.

 

I hope you get a good rest and am very sorry if I cause any disturbance to your

peace of mind at all.

 

Sincerely,

Vic

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Vic,

>

> ///You have clearly made it known that you do not consider me qualified to act

as an astrologer and teach astrology. I shall take heed of your opinion. Do note

that it is one opinion among many. And it is one that the many do not agree with

or share. In fact it is quite diametrically opposite from most opinions of

persons on comparable levels of knowledge, experience and accomplishment as your

good self.///

>

> You know, Vic, you truly do amaze me. On the one hand you appear to be quite

sincere then, almost in the very same breath, you imply that my opinion is

without any value whatsoever. At this point I'm unsure whether to ban you

completely or keep hoping for a change in attitude...almost there at times, but

straight away the bull sharpens his horns again...incredible!

>

> Let me say this to you, Vic; No doubt, as I said back when you were a

moderator here, exalted 7th lord Moon in 5th gives you an ability to advise and

counsel others...I do not deny this! 7th, as I hope you know, shows our

relationship with all others whilst the 5th house signifies constructive

intelligence from which good advice and counsel can flow. When I first suggested

(back then) that you start reading charts I never for one minute envisaged that

you would jump straight into creating a website offering paid readings and

lessons. I felt I'd opened a 'Pandora's Box' when I saw what you were doing and

straight away regretted the advice I had given to you.

>

> Seeing your chart, in light of traditional Vedic astrology, I feel it would be

more transparent (and honest, to be frank) if you presented yourself clearly as

a neo-vedic astrologer...if there ever could be such a thing? That way you would

avoid stepping on the toes of traditionalists and would, in fact, be presenting

yourself (through your website) in a more honest and transparent way. Like

labels on most goods sold today, people have a right to know what they're buying

into.

>

> The rest I will not respond to right now as I'm extremely tired and in

desperate need of some rest...

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

>

>

>

> Vic DiCara

> Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:44 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Jumping to conclusion !

>

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> I apologize for disturbing you. I apologize for appearing to be trying to

spread a personal agenda on your site. It is not important that this was not my

true intention - what is important is that you perceived it this way and that I

apologize for it.

>

> You have clearly made it known that you do not consider me qualified to act as

an astrologer and teach astrology. I shall take heed of your opinion. Do note

that it is one opinion among many. And it is one that the many do not agree with

or share. In fact it is quite diametrically opposite from most opinions of

persons on comparable levels of knowledge, experience and accomplishment as your

good self.

>

> Now let's talk about birth charts. Let's not talk about yours in this fashion

unless and until you would like us to. Let's talk about mine.

>

> In my small opinion, reading ones own chart correctly requires humility,

sincerity, tolerance, patience and so forth - far more than it requires

technical astrological expertise or experience. Therefore it is really good to

hear from OTHER PEOPLE about one's own chart. I especially appreciate and value

your insights and perspective on the karmas which make me who I am.

>

> So far you have offered the following very interesting insights:

>

> - My 2nd house is occupied by Rahu who is in satabhishak nakshatra

>

> I agree with you this can be very negative. It will take " 1000 Doctors " to

cure the rebelliousness of my words! I will never let anything conventional pass

my lips. This can be extremely burdensome and tiring on those who seek to govern

or control or even beneficially guide and direct me. My Guru, for example, has

had to show me the utmost patience and tolerance to grant me the blessings of

his teachings. For this I am very grateful as well as sorry.

>

> On the other hand, Sri Rahu thus blesses me with the ability to revolutionize

things under his guidance.

>

> - My 2nd house lord, Saturn (also lagnesh) is debilitated in the 4th house

>

> I agree that the debilitated lord weakens the significations of the house.

With Saturn debilitated I have found that I lack the intrinsic ability to " apply

the brakes " - to know when to stop - to know when " enough is enough " Therefore I

say things I should have refrained from saying.

>

> For example, in the reply which insulted you so, I actually wrote " I know you

will take this as an insult but... " yet continued to write. If Saturn were not

debilitated perhaps I would have stopped there, thinking, " Well since she would

only take this as an insult, don't bother writing it. "

>

> On the other hand it is rather enjoyable and nice to have the 2nd lord here in

the 4th house - I feel it lends to sincerity. I say (2nd house) what is in my

heart (emotional heart - 4th house) without trying to hide, calculate or

restrain it much (saturn).

>

> Do note that saturn has three positive amshas, though. And modification of

debility. Perhaps this is why there are also some positive benefits of Saturn in

my chart which I am fortunate to have and cherish.

>

> - My debilitated Saturn aspects Jupiter who is in my 10th House, in Chitra,

which is a nakshatra owned by Mars.

>

> From this I think you are indicating that the Jupiter in my 10th house is

under malady from having his nakshatra lord debilitated and aspected by a

malefic who is debilitated. This is one of two factors leading you to point out

that I am compelled to be a teacher and " guru " even though I am not qualified?

(The 2nd factor being the compelling Rahu in the house of knowledge).

>

> Honestly I am not entirely sure I can see this from your point of view.

>

> Should we take into account that all of these mutual kendras (between Jupiter,

Saturn and Mars) are giving strength and support to one another, improving their

debilities rather than amplifying their faults? Should we also take into account

that Jupiter's mutual aspect with Saturn forms a " Parvata Yoga " - which more or

less causes a native to rise above the masses of people as a result of erudition

and oratory skill?

>

> - My 9th lord is in the 8th house with Ketu. And Jupiter (the natural

representative of the 9th house) is also afflicted as described above.

>

> I also may not, unfortunately, be blessed to see your point of view here. I

apologize. For the reasons I mentioned above, I can't see the view that Jupiter

is significantly damaged in my chart.

>

> I see what you are saying that my 9th lord is in the 8th house w/ ketu - of

course. from what I see Parashara does not give a negative description to this

lordship yoga pertaining to the natives attitude towards religion or piety (of

course you know more than me of the jyotish shastra dictums - so please correct

me if I am missing something).

>

> It seems you were seeing this situation as an illustration that I have poor

morals or poor humility?

>

> Isn't the 8th house a rather humble and humiliating place in the sky? Planets

there are falling towards the Western horizon, coming face to face with their

inevitable " death " when they set. I would think that maybe the 9th lord in the

8th house could promote a morality which has that flavor? Especially in

combination with the humble/humiliating Ketu, right?

>

> On the other hand, not only is the 9th lord in my 8th house - also my 10th

lord is there: yogakaraka Venus. This makes things really interesting since it

is now a dharma-karma-adhipati yoga, correct? And this yoga occurs on the

Rahu/Ketu axis. Might not this yoga have some important bearing on the planets

who occupy the houses owned by the planets involved: the Moon in Taurus and

Jupiter in Libra? And also upon Rahu himself. So maybe this auspicious yoga

should be factored in to ones evaluation of my Rahu and Jupiter? Did you do so?

>

> My 8th house Mercury is really a problem spot, though. I agree. I speak well

on mystical matters and occult, but boy I have a tendency to get myself

arguments and cause huge flareups of controversial discussion!!! This

accompanies me everywhere I go at all times. Between Rahu in my second house and

Mercury here in this degree of the 8th I am like a walking debate! =)

>

> I think a contributing factor why this Mercury has burdened me so in this way

is that he is at 1º27 " and my Ascendant is at 1º40 " . This is recognized in

tajjika/western aspects, but in Vedic astrology we see the effect of these

" orbs " in peculiar patterns throughout the vargas. Mercury is extremely

effective in my chart as a result of this.

>

> On the negative side " 8th house speech " is just about all I can talk! On the

bright side this gives me a special ability to discuss the symbolic and

spiritual.

>

> On this same topic the only planet closer than Mercury in " orb " to my

ascendant is Jupiter. My two most effective planets are Jupiter (the teacher)

and Mercury (the student).

>

> Of course Jupiter is a negative lord for the Capricorn rising sign - since he

owns the 12th and 3rd house. Additionally, being opposite my Saturn he has

become inimical to my chart lord. So it can certainly support views that I am a

lusty miscreant barbarian! On the other hand, with a kinder eye one can see that

not only am I a lusty miscreat barbarian, I am also a person who relatively well

succeeds in taking foreign (12th house) concepts - especially occult and

spiritual foreign concepts - and expressing them clearly (chitra) in writing

(3rd house) a part of my guidance / councelling / teaching (Jupiter) oriented

career (10th house).

>

> Of course this assessment has exclusively been aimed at finding ways for me to

understand how I am a rogue. Therefore we have ignored things which might

obviously be to the contrary - though I admit maybe they are few! In any case,

thank you for taking the time to help me understand myself. I hope that you will

continue to do so and offer your valuable insight.

>

> Sincerely,

> Vic DiCara

>

>

>

>

>

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