Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Friends There has been a number of discussions on this group recently regarding guna of planets & nakshatras and also on the Extramarital Affairs or multiple affairs. In rushing to a hurried conclusion even Lord Krishna has been dragged in ! I would like to mention few things --- 1] Astrology without considering the desh-kaal-vansha [Area or country-Era or time--Heredity/Family] will lead us to terrible mess. What about majority of couples or even singles in India even today who have no extramarital affairs whatsoever? Is there no 7H,11H & 3H relation in the charts of any of them? Same thing can be said about the women of muslim world and many a couples of western world as well. Late Rajiv Gandhi ,the Ex- Prime minister of India had four planets in his Leo lagna aspecting his 7H while his 7L Saturn was in 11H ,so what to deduce? 2] Similarly in the modern times the working couples are opting for a single child more & more[again it depends upon other factors like country-era-family etc.] so do their charts indicate this ? 3] Unlike Govt.jobs where the employee retires at the age of 58 or 60 as per the govt. rule,persons working in private sectors have to change many times either by their choice or under compulsions,so do such private sectors employee have any indications in their charts regarding this and not those working in govt.enterprises ? So instead of making a hurried and hasty conclusion while looking any chart, taking every factor in its right perspective will be the right approach. Lord Krishna says in Bhagvatgeeta that no one is devoid of triguna : sata,raja and tama ,it is only the proportion that differentiates.Apart from this, persons own effort and bhakti make a difference. When God incarnates He does not discard His own prakriti but He does not come under the influence of this. For example an aeroplane does not discard the gravity of Earth but rather it supersedes it and the gravity does not stop it flying. Lord Krishna had 16000 wives on paper only [i assume you know the incident of Narkasur] and regarding his Raasleela,He was 6 yr old and Radha was only 3 yr.old then. What has been portrayed by the cine-world and few poets or lyricists is not correct. So He was not sensuous but master of all the senses and He was not lustful but lustrous and illustrious in all His activities ! Regards Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Mr Om and others, Affairs concerning relationships are an important aspect of life.and very essential for one's survival Sages have certainly taken note of these aspects and tried to define by way anlysing various houses.Once the adulthood is attained,the concept of marriige or vivah was considered as legitimate affair.For this every person is endowed with biological ingredients by way hormones that are basic to human existence.These too have also been covers by way of Kalpurusha explanation in jyotish.other social aspects have also been defined for guidance of social animal.The triguna concepts are common for the race as a whole.Every has all trigunas in reuired proportion in relation to the Nature 1.If jyotish guides us from birth to death through 12 houses the significance of each house from lagna to 7th(invisble half) and the other half till 12th becomes an evolutionary aspect as life progresses.All 12 houses together meets most of the requirement a human being needs in a (civilised) society set up.No doubt the society where one lives has lots of dimensions from the point of view of social animal 2In fact if we are concerned that the relationships that come through marriage brings a man and woman together to promote the 'Kula and Gotra'at one time,.times have certainly changed along with the objectives by way of living together situation. The world has security issues for a woman as well as a man..For a man he has to address the frightening loneliness as he prepares himself to live on his own legs and fight out the identity crisis. At one stage,parents have to make their child independent so as to make his/her own objectives fulfilled. Extra martial relations some times are difficult to understand what might be the factors involves.Even if 5 H involvement along with 11th and 7th could be felt " it can not be termed extra martial. I have seen many single woman and Man having all gestures and leading life .They might be romantic but when it comes to biological concerns they are very clear not to make any compromise. Infact the relationshil acquired through marraige as husband wife might be involving an institutional set up for continuing the race through procreation.In several case they have no concern for race and other aspects. Gopikas and krishna relations are difficult to be explained in Astrological parlance.They can not be looked in terms of krishna as husband of 108 women to be considered as wives.Their relation and their ages what ever that might be have an element of emotions that concerns more of devotion.Krishna is for Gopika ..Gopika is for Krishna irrespective of ratio.It goes a blind mode that has relevance to spirtual aspects. when we r considering jyotish aspects and delineation through bhavas,issues like extramartial affairs could be noticed but not necessary to have romantic concerns or emotional aspects in real situations Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Om <astrops2122 wrote: Om <astrops2122 Jumping to conclusion ! jyotish-vidya Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:37 PM  Dear Friends There has been a number of discussions on this group recently regarding guna of planets & nakshatras and also on the Extramarital Affairs or multiple affairs. In rushing to a hurried conclusion even Lord Krishna has been dragged in ! I would like to mention few things --- 1] Astrology without considering the desh-kaal-vansha [Area or country-Era or time--Heredity/ Family] will lead us to terrible mess. What about majority of couples or even singles in India even today who have no extramarital affairs whatsoever? Is there no 7H,11H & 3H relation in the charts of any of them? Same thing can be said about the women of muslim world and many a couples of western world as well. Late Rajiv Gandhi ,the Ex- Prime minister of India had four planets in his Leo lagna aspecting his 7H while his 7L Saturn was in 11H ,so what to deduce? 2] Similarly in the modern times the working couples are opting for a single child more & more[again it depends upon other factors like country-era- family etc.] so do their charts indicate this ? 3] Unlike Govt.jobs where the employee retires at the age of 58 or 60 as per the govt. rule,persons working in private sectors have to change many times either by their choice or under compulsions, so do such private sectors employee have any indications in their charts regarding this and not those working in govt.enterprises ? So instead of making a hurried and hasty conclusion while looking any chart, taking every factor in its right perspective will be the right approach. Lord Krishna says in Bhagvatgeeta that no one is devoid of triguna : sata,raja and tama ,it is only the proportion that differentiates. Apart from this, persons own effort and bhakti make a difference. When God incarnates He does not discard His own prakriti but He does not come under the influence of this. For example an aeroplane does not discard the gravity of Earth but rather it supersedes it and the gravity does not stop it flying. Lord Krishna had 16000 wives on paper only [i assume you know the incident of Narkasur] and regarding his Raasleela,He was 6 yr old and Radha was only 3 yr.old then. What has been portrayed by the cine-world and few poets or lyricists is not correct. So He was not sensuous but master of all the senses and He was not lustful but lustrous and illustrious in all His activities ! Regards Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Om & Vettam, Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically and astrologically. Here is a good place to start: Thank You, Vic DiCara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Mr Vic,Om and mebers, Thank You for for your kind gesture to provide the link to know the analysis of krishna deeds. We have accepeted Bhakti Vedanta principles for over 3-4 decades and happen to be members in their vedantic approaches.Even now we revel in joy and forget ourselves in the process of Krishna Consciouness.The social implications and their relevnce and justification through jyotish pricnciple to study the life of krishna is some thing different while analysing the Krishna as a divine personality and application of jyotish principles might convince some significations of planets as well as house.However the social concerns of Lord krishna have different concerns.might be a kind of blind belief /faith.To be more clear it is the same kind when it comes to punarvasu born lord Rama who had to face speration form Sita.finally the reunion along wih notable daksha yagna in Treta Youga are more philosophical concerns of human glory. The application of jyotish principle to the lives of exceptional personalities are unique. Different from jyotish analysis and the concern in these illustration is more spirtual concern. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Vic DiCara <vicdicara wrote: Vic DiCara <vicdicara Re: Jumping to conclusion ! jyotish-vidya Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:32 PM  Dear Om & Vettam, Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva- Gadiya Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically and astrologically. Here is a good place to start: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=m_ylURpojNE Thank You, Vic DiCara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Vic, As you know, before approving your request to post some links to your version of Krishna's horoscope I advised you (in a private mail) of the following... **I'm sure you will understand that since JV (a Parashara discussion group) has members from many different religious backgrounds, I cannot allow it to become a platform for any one religious group.** I was well aware at the time of your status as an ISKCON devotee and that you were currently (I believe) in charge of an ISKCON temple in Japan. However I'd hoped that you'd be sensitive enough to take heed of my wish not to have JV become a platform for any one religion. It seems my trust in your ability to follow my (subtle) guidance in this regard was misplaced. It's time now, I'm afraid, to abandon such subtleties and be more direct. Although I am a Christian, I didn't hesitate to first correct and then an over zealous Christian who was here (some time back) simply to offer sermons to jyotish's who, in his view, were damned and in need of salvation. I said to him what I say to you (again) now; This is a jyotish discussion group based on the principles of Parashara's vimsottari dasa system. We recognize that there are members here of all religious persuasions, even some agnostics, and ALL have the right to participate in discussions without being subjected to any one religious point of view... I remember a conversation (on this topic) some time ago when I expressed the view that, although I found the same eternal, infinite truth expressed in all (bona-fide) religions, jyotish itself has been the greatest light on my path to self-realization. I might also mention here that, although a Christian with several bibles in my house, the one that's kept closest to me at all times is a small copy of the Bhagavad-Gita, signed personally by the translator (Ramananda Prasad). This I carry with me always in my handbag. I also have the Gita on tape (a set of six tapes) with verses in both english and (chanted) in sanskrit. I tell you this because I want you to understand that my objection is not to Krishna, or Siva, or anything else; My objection is simply to (any) religious zealot wishing to use the discussion group to promote their own mode of expression whilst continually publicizing their website devoted to this. Please desist from this and join the jyotish discussions. Might I, once again, remind everyone of the contents of the group welcome message...found here: jyotish-vidya/ Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== Vic DiCara Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:32 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Jumping to conclusion ! Dear Om & Vettam, Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically and astrologically. Here is a good place to start: Thank You, Vic DiCara __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a buddhist temple here in Japan. If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a nazi (or an allied) agenda, right? Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I am pushing some sectarian religion? Most traditional forms of Vedic education (from grammar to jyotish) use Krishna or Ramachandra as the topic / subject. Since you approved my link (kindly, thank you), I didn't think you would mind me referring to it again. In any case, thank you for continuing to keep an interesting astrological forum alive here. I appreciate your work. Sincerely, Vic DiCara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > As you know, before approving your request to post some links to your version of Krishna's horoscope I advised you (in a private mail) of the following... > > **I'm sure you will understand that since JV (a Parashara discussion group) > has members from many different religious backgrounds, I cannot allow it to > become a platform for any one religious group.** > > I was well aware at the time of your status as an ISKCON devotee and that you were currently (I believe) in charge of an ISKCON temple in Japan. However I'd hoped that you'd be sensitive enough to take heed of my wish not to have JV become a platform for any one religion. It seems my trust in your ability to follow my (subtle) guidance in this regard was misplaced. It's time now, I'm afraid, to abandon such subtleties and be more direct. > > Although I am a Christian, I didn't hesitate to first correct and then an over zealous Christian who was here (some time back) simply to offer sermons to jyotish's who, in his view, were damned and in need of salvation. I said to him what I say to you (again) now; This is a jyotish discussion group based on the principles of Parashara's vimsottari dasa system. We recognize that there are members here of all religious persuasions, even some agnostics, and ALL have the right to participate in discussions without being subjected to any one religious point of view... > > I remember a conversation (on this topic) some time ago when I expressed the view that, although I found the same eternal, infinite truth expressed in all (bona-fide) religions, jyotish itself has been the greatest light on my path to self-realization. I might also mention here that, although a Christian with several bibles in my house, the one that's kept closest to me at all times is a small copy of the Bhagavad-Gita, signed personally by the translator (Ramananda Prasad). This I carry with me always in my handbag. I also have the Gita on tape (a set of six tapes) with verses in both english and (chanted) in sanskrit. > > I tell you this because I want you to understand that my objection is not to Krishna, or Siva, or anything else; My objection is simply to (any) religious zealot wishing to use the discussion group to promote their own mode of expression whilst continually publicizing their website devoted to this. Please desist from this and join the jyotish discussions. > > Might I, once again, remind everyone of the contents of the group welcome message...found here: jyotish-vidya/ > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > Vic DiCara > Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:32 AM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Jumping to conclusion ! > > > > Dear Om & Vettam, > > Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically and astrologically. > > Here is a good place to start: > > Thank You, > Vic DiCara __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Vic, No, I did not jump to any conclusion, as the heading suggests. But perhaps I was misinformed? However this does not change the fact that your posts have (excessively) promoted your own agenda. This would not be acceptable from any member, so you should not take it as a personal attack. ///I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a buddhist temple here in Japan./// Be that as it may, but you surely must agree that this totally contradicts your below post? ///Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically and astrologically. Here is a good place to start: /// Now what (logical) conclusion could be arrived from this? ///If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a nazi (or an allied) agenda, right?/// This is totally off point, Vic...and you know it! ///Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I am pushing some sectarian religion?/// Do you not think that numerous links to your videos is pushing your own agenda? Anyway, I have no desire to get involved in a lengthy debate here. I simply ask you to respect the fact that this is a Parasara discussion group, and to be mindful of the instructions (regarding outside links) which are given on the group's website. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== Vic DiCara Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:19 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Jumping to conclusion ! Dear Mrs. Wendy, I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a buddhist temple here in Japan. If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a nazi (or an allied) agenda, right? Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I am pushing some sectarian religion? Most traditional forms of Vedic education (from grammar to jyotish) use Krishna or Ramachandra as the topic / subject. Since you approved my link (kindly, thank you), I didn't think you would mind me referring to it again. In any case, thank you for continuing to keep an interesting astrological forum alive here. I appreciate your work. Sincerely, Vic DiCara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > As you know, before approving your request to post some links to your version of Krishna's horoscope I advised you (in a private mail) of the following... > > **I'm sure you will understand that since JV (a Parashara discussion group) > has members from many different religious backgrounds, I cannot allow it to > become a platform for any one religious group.** > > I was well aware at the time of your status as an ISKCON devotee and that you were currently (I believe) in charge of an ISKCON temple in Japan. However I'd hoped that you'd be sensitive enough to take heed of my wish not to have JV become a platform for any one religion. It seems my trust in your ability to follow my (subtle) guidance in this regard was misplaced. It's time now, I'm afraid, to abandon such subtleties and be more direct. > > Although I am a Christian, I didn't hesitate to first correct and then an over zealous Christian who was here (some time back) simply to offer sermons to jyotish's who, in his view, were damned and in need of salvation. I said to him what I say to you (again) now; This is a jyotish discussion group based on the principles of Parashara's vimsottari dasa system. We recognize that there are members here of all religious persuasions, even some agnostics, and ALL have the right to participate in discussions without being subjected to any one religious point of view... > > I remember a conversation (on this topic) some time ago when I expressed the view that, although I found the same eternal, infinite truth expressed in all (bona-fide) religions, jyotish itself has been the greatest light on my path to self-realization. I might also mention here that, although a Christian with several bibles in my house, the one that's kept closest to me at all times is a small copy of the Bhagavad-Gita, signed personally by the translator (Ramananda Prasad). This I carry with me always in my handbag. I also have the Gita on tape (a set of six tapes) with verses in both english and (chanted) in sanskrit. > > I tell you this because I want you to understand that my objection is not to Krishna, or Siva, or anything else; My objection is simply to (any) religious zealot wishing to use the discussion group to promote their own mode of expression whilst continually publicizing their website devoted to this. Please desist from this and join the jyotish discussions. > > Might I, once again, remind everyone of the contents of the group welcome message...found here: jyotish-vidya/ > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > Vic DiCara > Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:32 AM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Jumping to conclusion ! > > > > Dear Om & Vettam, > > Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically and astrologically. > > Here is a good place to start: > > Thank You, > Vic DiCara __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4979 (20100328) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, > No, I did not jump to any conclusion, as the heading suggests. But perhaps I was misinformed? I did not write the heading, the person who started the topic did. >This would not be acceptable from any member, so you should not take it as a personal attack. > I do not feel attacked, that is OK. Thank you for saying so. I do feel completely misunderstood. > ///I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a buddhist temple here in Japan./// > > Be that as it may, but you surely must agree that this totally contradicts your below post? > I know you don't have a narrow mind which thinks that there is any essential contradiction between one religion and another. They all fit together and work together as pieces in the grand scheme of things. I think you agree with that. And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my personal spiritual integrity? By the way " My Family " means my family - not my wife and kids. My 94 year old grandfather has been the priest at this temple ( & #22269; & #20998; & #23546;) For about 80 years. My Uncle, his son is now in his later 60s and has been assisting his father for about 50 years. My cousin, grandfathers grandson is my age and is now doing the main amount of work as the active priest. > > ///If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a nazi (or an allied) agenda, right?/// > > This is totally off point, Vic...and you know it! > Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON. It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your discussion group. These analogies show that I have been misunderstood. > ///Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I am pushing some sectarian religion?/// > > Do you not think that numerous links to your videos is pushing your own agenda? > I did not wish to repeat everything I had already said and explained so I replied with a link to where I had already said and explained it. Additionally this was a link you personally approved. > Anyway, I have no desire to get involved in a lengthy debate here. I simply ask you to respect the fact that this is a Parasara discussion group, and to be mindful of the instructions (regarding outside links) which are given on the group's website. > In light of what I have just explained, I am not sure how I have broken these instructions. I didn't want to cause any fuss in returning here. I apologize. Let's not waste more time in debating this unless you insist that it has some relevance to your group. I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you wish to continue the discussion. Otherwise it is simply a misunderstanding so let's just let it rest and learn from it. Sincerely, Vic DiCara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Vic, ///And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my personal spiritual integrity?/// No Vic, I did not question your personal spiritual integrity nor did I, in fact, even raise the topic. It was you (yourself) who introduced the thread regarding your spiritual credentials, as seen below. ///Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically and astrologically./// My objection was to your continued efforts to direct members to your teaching videos, which, by what I've seen, are focused very much on your own religious point of view. I am not objecting to you having a particular view about anything...what I am objecting to is your use of JV as a platform for your teaching material. You must know, Vic that I'm not in agreement with much of what is offered on your site... to avoid further conflict I will not go into the reasons why. But can't you see that by allowing this to continue unchecked, I would be virtually giving my stamp of approval. Yes, in the spirit of giving a person " A Fair Go " , I allowed the initial Videos to be posted. However it was never intended to be a free license for a steady flow of (teaching) videos. ///Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON. It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your discussion group./// This again is a completely unrealistic analogy as the other charts you mention can be calculated and interpreted for study purposes, whereas your proposed chart for Krishna is unverifiable (astronomically) and therefore cannot be scrutinized. This is little more than your opinion of what Krishna's chart should be...there's no possibility for (any) scientific verification, so where's the value for study purposes? Besides it was you (yourself) who made the point of your ISKCON connection...this was what initiated my response...see above! ///I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you wish to continue the discussion./// Unfortunately the sheer volume of personal mail makes it impractical for me to respond. If members wish to make a point regarding jyotish or the way the group is managed, they should address their mail to the group itself...that's what it's here for! Like you, I do hope that we can recover from this conflict and focus our attention once again on jyotish. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== Vic DiCara Monday, March 29, 2010 10:08 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Jumping to conclusion ! Dear Mrs. Wendy, > No, I did not jump to any conclusion, as the heading suggests. But perhaps I was misinformed? I did not write the heading, the person who started the topic did. >This would not be acceptable from any member, so you should not take it as a personal attack. > I do not feel attacked, that is OK. Thank you for saying so. I do feel completely misunderstood. > ///I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a buddhist temple here in Japan./// > > Be that as it may, but you surely must agree that this totally contradicts your below post? > I know you don't have a narrow mind which thinks that there is any essential contradiction between one religion and another. They all fit together and work together as pieces in the grand scheme of things. I think you agree with that. And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my personal spiritual integrity? By the way " My Family " means my family - not my wife and kids. My 94 year old grandfather has been the priest at this temple ( & #22269; & #20998; & #23546;) For about 80 years. My Uncle, his son is now in his later 60s and has been assisting his father for about 50 years. My cousin, grandfathers grandson is my age and is now doing the main amount of work as the active priest. > > ///If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a nazi (or an allied) agenda, right?/// > > This is totally off point, Vic...and you know it! > Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON. It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your discussion group. These analogies show that I have been misunderstood. > ///Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I am pushing some sectarian religion?/// > > Do you not think that numerous links to your videos is pushing your own agenda? > I did not wish to repeat everything I had already said and explained so I replied with a link to where I had already said and explained it. Additionally this was a link you personally approved. > Anyway, I have no desire to get involved in a lengthy debate here. I simply ask you to respect the fact that this is a Parasara discussion group, and to be mindful of the instructions (regarding outside links) which are given on the group's website. > In light of what I have just explained, I am not sure how I have broken these instructions. I didn't want to cause any fuss in returning here. I apologize. Let's not waste more time in debating this unless you insist that it has some relevance to your group. I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you wish to continue the discussion. Otherwise it is simply a misunderstanding so let's just let it rest and learn from it. 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, A topic came up which is of relevance to Krishna - that being the topic of extramarital affairs and multiple partners. Using simple astrological principles of lordships one can see that Krishna's classically accepted chart supports much of what was discussed. I thought this would be of interest. Other members brought up the topics of non-astrological relevance: regarding the philosophical or moral nature of Krishna's affairs with the opposite sex. I replied by stating that I am a devotee of Sri Krishna. (NOT that I am a " member of ISKCON " ) And that if one is interested in understanding my opinion on these matters they could view my videos and articles on the subject. You could easily view this as (a) something which originated from other members (therefore reprimand them, not me) and (b) an attempt by me not to clog your parashari discussion group with non-astrological discussion of Krishna (thank me instead of reprimand me). Instead you reprimand me for starting the conversation, and accuse me of trying to populate your group with my own (fanciful and biased) ideas. As you say we all act according to our karma. With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you are now in Mercury/ Saturn. For these very reasons I am sure you will be angered by this and take it as an insult. It was not meant as an insult. Why not use it as a motivation to improve and grow? You need to grow, I need to grow. We all need to grow. You seem to look down upon me in a way which assumes vastly more knowledge, realization and talent than I. Therefore you rarely if ever appreciate anything I try to contribute to this science or to your discussion group. Your peers, however, do not hold such a view and they always kindly compliment, encourage and applaud me - even on the very same topics I have posted here - which you have nothing but contempt for and only see the evils of: My assessment of how the gunas overlap to create a spectrum of effects through the zodiac. And my work on Sri Krishna's chart, for example. This shows that you are somewhat abnormal in your response to me, so perhaps you should take this as an opportunity for humility and re-evaluate your reactions to me and your preconceptions of me and what I try to do. Your Moon is 6th to mine, Your Sun is 12th to mine. Therefore we don't get along and will never get along except by exercising the divinity of our freewill and allowing our karma to make us GROW rather than define our limitations. We are both born with Capricorn rising, therefore (with sun and moon not compatible) we bite our crocodile teeth into one another and neither of us lets go. Let's try to grow out of these patterns together and let go and accept one another in a role of mutual understanding and acceptance. Sincerely, Vic DiCara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > ///And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my personal spiritual integrity?/// > > No Vic, I did not question your personal spiritual integrity nor did I, in fact, even raise the topic. It was you (yourself) who introduced the thread regarding your spiritual credentials, as seen below. > > ///Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically and astrologically./// > > My objection was to your continued efforts to direct members to your teaching videos, which, by what I've seen, are focused very much on your own religious point of view. I am not objecting to you having a particular view about anything...what I am objecting to is your use of JV as a platform for your teaching material. > > You must know, Vic that I'm not in agreement with much of what is offered on your site... to avoid further conflict I will not go into the reasons why. But can't you see that by allowing this to continue unchecked, I would be virtually giving my stamp of approval. Yes, in the spirit of giving a person " A Fair Go " , I allowed the initial Videos to be posted. However it was never intended to be a free license for a steady flow of (teaching) videos. > > ///Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON. It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your discussion group./// > > This again is a completely unrealistic analogy as the other charts you mention can be calculated and interpreted for study purposes, whereas your proposed chart for Krishna is unverifiable (astronomically) and therefore cannot be scrutinized. This is little more than your opinion of what Krishna's chart should be...there's no possibility for (any) scientific verification, so where's the value for study purposes? Besides it was you (yourself) who made the point of your ISKCON connection...this was what initiated my response...see above! > > ///I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you wish to continue the discussion./// > > Unfortunately the sheer volume of personal mail makes it impractical for me to respond. If members wish to make a point regarding jyotish or the way the group is managed, they should address their mail to the group itself...that's what it's here for! > > Like you, I do hope that we can recover from this conflict and focus our attention once again on jyotish. > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > > Vic DiCara > Monday, March 29, 2010 10:08 AM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Jumping to conclusion ! > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > No, I did not jump to any conclusion, as the heading suggests. But perhaps I was misinformed? > > I did not write the heading, the person who started the topic did. > > >This would not be acceptable from any member, so you should not take it as a personal attack. > > > > I do not feel attacked, that is OK. Thank you for saying so. I do feel completely misunderstood. > > > ///I am not in any way connected to ISKCON currently. My family runs a buddhist temple here in Japan./// > > > > Be that as it may, but you surely must agree that this totally contradicts your below post? > > > > I know you don't have a narrow mind which thinks that there is any essential contradiction between one religion and another. They all fit together and work together as pieces in the grand scheme of things. I think you agree with that. > > And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my personal spiritual integrity? > > By the way " My Family " means my family - not my wife and kids. My 94 year old grandfather has been the priest at this temple ( & #22269; & #20998; & #23546;) For about 80 years. My Uncle, his son is now in his later 60s and has been assisting his father for about 50 years. My cousin, grandfathers grandson is my age and is now doing the main amount of work as the active priest. > > > > > ///If I was interpreting Hitlers chart, that wouldn't mean I was pushing a nazi (or an allied) agenda, right?/// > > > > This is totally off point, Vic...and you know it! > > > > Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON. It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your discussion group. > > These analogies show that I have been misunderstood. > > > ///Why should examples from Krishna's chart mean that I am pushing some sectarian religion?/// > > > > Do you not think that numerous links to your videos is pushing your own agenda? > > > > I did not wish to repeat everything I had already said and explained so I replied with a link to where I had already said and explained it. Additionally this was a link you personally approved. > > > Anyway, I have no desire to get involved in a lengthy debate here. I simply ask you to respect the fact that this is a Parasara discussion group, and to be mindful of the instructions (regarding outside links) which are given on the group's website. > > > > In light of what I have just explained, I am not sure how I have broken these instructions. > > I didn't want to cause any fuss in returning here. I apologize. > > Let's not waste more time in debating this unless you insist that it has some relevance to your group. I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you wish to continue the discussion. Otherwise it is simply a misunderstanding so let's just let it rest and learn from it. > > Sincerely, > Vic DiCara > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4980 (20100328) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Vic DiCara, ///My assessment of how the gunas overlap to create a spectrum of effects through the zodiac. And my work on Sri Krishna's chart, for example. This shows that you are somewhat abnormal in your response to me, so perhaps you should take this as an opportunity for humility and re-evaluate your reactions to me and your preconceptions of me and what I try to do./// You impudent young man! How dare you presume to dictate to me in such a fashion! May I remind you of when you first joined JV; See msg #8463 (pasted below). This was your first post shortly after you commenced your studies in Vedic astrology. Which means, of course, that; as of now, you've been studying jyotish for less than 23 months as apposed to my 23 years...and this gives you the right to lecture me on humility, to whom must I be humble? ///jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Hello all! > > I just d to this group today. I am a beginner and am looking > forward to interacting with all of you. My name is either " Vic " or > " Vraj Kishor " - whatever you like. I spent a lot of time as a > Bramachary in ISKCON/Hare Krishna where I got good exposure to > Sanskrit etc. In Rahu-Mercury I ran a school for studying Gita, Isa- > Upanishad, and Bhakti Rasamrita Sindhu of Rupa Goswami based on the > Sankrit. Then in Rahu-Venus I got married. I have bad marital karma, > but a great wife who has the ability to bend that karma and keep > things together and auspicious for us. We're now together with two > boys. One Scorpio Asc and one Pices Asc. I also spent a decade > involved in professional punk-rock music (Rahu) in a band called > " 108 " . This continues to this day. > > I work in computers, mainly programming and development of websites in > PHP, with some sales. > > I'm just entering Jupiter-Mercury now, which I hope will be beneficial > for quick assimilation of basic facts required for entry level > proficiency into astrology. > > I'm Cap Asc, with Taurus moon. > > Again, looking forward to interacting with all of you. > > Yours, > V/// I also need to point out that it was only a few short months into your studies that you were offering both paid consultations and paid courses on your website, which in some instances you're charging over $300. for i.e. yearly reading $301. and a 2 part jyotish course for a combined cost of $621. What qualifies you to offer this to the unsuspecting public? Really, Vic, such arrogant self-aggrandizement I've rarely seen in anyone. ///You seem to look down upon me in a way which assumes vastly more knowledge, realization and talent than I. Therefore you rarely if ever appreciate anything I try to contribute to this science or to your discussion group./// I disagree with your concepts and will never put my stamp of approval on them. I remember well when you first drew a particular nakshatra chart (if my memory serves me). I advised you of the correct positioning of lagna, but you argued endlessly with me about it. I see now you have it as I had suggested. You are rude, stubborn, and arrogant and that's the gist of it. ///With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you are now in Mercury/ Saturn./// If you truly wish to learn how to read a horoscope correctly perhaps you should start on your own before progressing on to others. Note your second house of speech occupied by Rahu (in his own nakshatra) whilst his dispositor (debilitated lagnesh Saturn), in sign of debilitated Mars, aspects Jupiter in 10th. Unfortunately (debilitated Mars), 90% combust 8th lord Sun, is also Jupiter's nakshatra lord. We also find 9th lord Mercury conjunct Ketu in 8th (12th from 9th). Both 9th lord and karaka (Jupiter) are afflicted in this chart. As is the house of speech with both 2nd house and Mercury afflicted by the nodes who each occupy their own nakshatra, so no saving grace here. I should also bring the second house to your attention in order for you to understand the compulsion you have to teach...qualified or not! As we know Rahu is the planet of compulsion and in the 2nd house of education/educators there's naturally a strong compulsion for you to teach. Unfortunately Rahu's dispositor (lagnesh Saturn) is debilitated as is his dispositor (Mars)....what does this tell you? Both Mars and Saturn are aspecting 9th karaka Jupiter. Hence your intolerable impudence! ///Let's try to grow out of these patterns together and let go and accept one another in a role of mutual understanding and acceptance./// Hell will freeze over before THAT ever happens! Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== Vic DiCara Monday, March 29, 2010 1:25 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Jumping to conclusion ! Dear Mrs. Wendy, A topic came up which is of relevance to Krishna - that being the topic of extramarital affairs and multiple partners. Using simple astrological principles of lordships one can see that Krishna's classically accepted chart supports much of what was discussed. I thought this would be of interest. Other members brought up the topics of non-astrological relevance: regarding the philosophical or moral nature of Krishna's affairs with the opposite sex. I replied by stating that I am a devotee of Sri Krishna. (NOT that I am a " member of ISKCON " ) And that if one is interested in understanding my opinion on these matters they could view my videos and articles on the subject. You could easily view this as (a) something which originated from other members (therefore reprimand them, not me) and (b) an attempt by me not to clog your parashari discussion group with non-astrological discussion of Krishna (thank me instead of reprimand me). Instead you reprimand me for starting the conversation, and accuse me of trying to populate your group with my own (fanciful and biased) ideas. As you say we all act according to our karma. With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you are now in Mercury/ Saturn. For these very reasons I am sure you will be angered by this and take it as an insult. It was not meant as an insult. Why not use it as a motivation to improve and grow? You need to grow, I need to grow. We all need to grow. You seem to look down upon me in a way which assumes vastly more knowledge, realization and talent than I. Therefore you rarely if ever appreciate anything I try to contribute to this science or to your discussion group. Your peers, however, do not hold such a view and they always kindly compliment, encourage and applaud me - even on the very same topics I have posted here - which you have nothing but contempt for and only see the evils of: My assessment of how the gunas overlap to create a spectrum of effects through the zodiac. And my work on Sri Krishna's chart, for example. This shows that you are somewhat abnormal in your response to me, so perhaps you should take this as an opportunity for humility and re-evaluate your reactions to me and your preconceptions of me and what I try to do. Your Moon is 6th to mine, Your Sun is 12th to mine. Therefore we don't get along and will never get along except by exercising the divinity of our freewill and allowing our karma to make us GROW rather than define our limitations. We are both born with Capricorn rising, therefore (with sun and moon not compatible) we bite our crocodile teeth into one another and neither of us lets go. Let's try to grow out of these patterns together and let go and accept one another in a role of mutual understanding and acceptance. Sincerely, Vic DiCara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > ///And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my personal spiritual integrity?/// > > No Vic, I did not question your personal spiritual integrity nor did I, in fact, even raise the topic. It was you (yourself) who introduced the thread regarding your spiritual credentials, as seen below. > > ///Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically and astrologically./// > > My objection was to your continued efforts to direct members to your teaching videos, which, by what I've seen, are focused very much on your own religious point of view. I am not objecting to you having a particular view about anything...what I am objecting to is your use of JV as a platform for your teaching material. > > You must know, Vic that I'm not in agreement with much of what is offered on your site... to avoid further conflict I will not go into the reasons why. But can't you see that by allowing this to continue unchecked, I would be virtually giving my stamp of approval. Yes, in the spirit of giving a person " A Fair Go " , I allowed the initial Videos to be posted. However it was never intended to be a free license for a steady flow of (teaching) videos. > > ///Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON. It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your discussion group./// > > This again is a completely unrealistic analogy as the other charts you mention can be calculated and interpreted for study purposes, whereas your proposed chart for Krishna is unverifiable (astronomically) and therefore cannot be scrutinized. This is little more than your opinion of what Krishna's chart should be...there's no possibility for (any) scientific verification, so where's the value for study purposes? Besides it was you (yourself) who made the point of your ISKCON connection...this was what initiated my response...see above! > > ///I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you wish to continue the discussion./// > > Unfortunately the sheer volume of personal mail makes it impractical for me to respond. If members wish to make a point regarding jyotish or the way the group is managed, they should address their mail to the group itself...that's what it's here for! > > Like you, I do hope that we can recover from this conflict and focus our attention once again on jyotish. > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4980 (20100328) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I don't agree with you, but I do apologize. Sorry for bothering you so. Sincerely, Vic DiCara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Vic DiCara, > > ///My assessment of how the gunas overlap to create a spectrum of effects through the zodiac. And my work on Sri Krishna's chart, for example. This shows that you are somewhat abnormal in your response to me, so perhaps you should take this as an opportunity for humility and re-evaluate your reactions to me and your preconceptions of me and what I try to do./// > > You impudent young man! How dare you presume to dictate to me in such a fashion! > May I remind you of when you first joined JV; See msg #8463 (pasted below). This was your first post shortly after you commenced your studies in Vedic astrology. Which means, of course, that; as of now, you've been studying jyotish for less than 23 months as apposed to my 23 years...and this gives you the right to lecture me on humility, to whom must I be humble? > > ///jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > Hello all! > > > > I just d to this group today. I am a beginner and am looking > > forward to interacting with all of you. My name is either " Vic " or > > " Vraj Kishor " - whatever you like. I spent a lot of time as a > > Bramachary in ISKCON/Hare Krishna where I got good exposure to > > Sanskrit etc. In Rahu-Mercury I ran a school for studying Gita, Isa- > > Upanishad, and Bhakti Rasamrita Sindhu of Rupa Goswami based on the > > Sankrit. Then in Rahu-Venus I got married. I have bad marital karma, > > but a great wife who has the ability to bend that karma and keep > > things together and auspicious for us. We're now together with two > > boys. One Scorpio Asc and one Pices Asc. I also spent a decade > > involved in professional punk-rock music (Rahu) in a band called > > " 108 " . This continues to this day. > > > > I work in computers, mainly programming and development of websites in > > PHP, with some sales. > > > > I'm just entering Jupiter-Mercury now, which I hope will be beneficial > > for quick assimilation of basic facts required for entry level > > proficiency into astrology. > > > > I'm Cap Asc, with Taurus moon. > > > > Again, looking forward to interacting with all of you. > > > > Yours, > > V/// > > I also need to point out that it was only a few short months into your studies that you were offering both paid consultations and paid courses on your website, which in some instances you're charging over $300. for i.e. yearly reading $301. and a 2 part jyotish course for a combined cost of $621. What qualifies you to offer this to the unsuspecting public? Really, Vic, such arrogant self-aggrandizement I've rarely seen in anyone. > > ///You seem to look down upon me in a way which assumes vastly more knowledge, realization and talent than I. Therefore you rarely if ever appreciate anything I try to contribute to this science or to your discussion group./// > > I disagree with your concepts and will never put my stamp of approval on them. I remember well when you first drew a particular nakshatra chart (if my memory serves me). I advised you of the correct positioning of lagna, but you argued endlessly with me about it. I see now you have it as I had suggested. You are rude, stubborn, and arrogant and that's the gist of it. > > ///With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you are now in Mercury/ Saturn./// > > If you truly wish to learn how to read a horoscope correctly perhaps you should start on your own before progressing on to others. Note your second house of speech occupied by Rahu (in his own nakshatra) whilst his dispositor (debilitated lagnesh Saturn), in sign of debilitated Mars, aspects Jupiter in 10th. Unfortunately (debilitated Mars), 90% combust 8th lord Sun, is also Jupiter's nakshatra lord. > > We also find 9th lord Mercury conjunct Ketu in 8th (12th from 9th). Both 9th lord and karaka (Jupiter) are afflicted in this chart. As is the house of speech with both 2nd house and Mercury afflicted by the nodes who each occupy their own nakshatra, so no saving grace here. > > I should also bring the second house to your attention in order for you to understand the compulsion you have to teach...qualified or not! As we know Rahu is the planet of compulsion and in the 2nd house of education/educators there's naturally a strong compulsion for you to teach. Unfortunately Rahu's dispositor (lagnesh Saturn) is debilitated as is his dispositor (Mars)....what does this tell you? Both Mars and Saturn are aspecting 9th karaka Jupiter. > > Hence your intolerable impudence! > > > ///Let's try to grow out of these patterns together and let go and accept one another in a role of mutual understanding and acceptance./// > > Hell will freeze over before THAT ever happens! > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > Vic DiCara > Monday, March 29, 2010 1:25 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Jumping to conclusion ! > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > A topic came up which is of relevance to Krishna - that being the topic of extramarital affairs and multiple partners. Using simple astrological principles of lordships one can see that Krishna's classically accepted chart supports much of what was discussed. I thought this would be of interest. > > Other members brought up the topics of non-astrological relevance: regarding the philosophical or moral nature of Krishna's affairs with the opposite sex. I replied by stating that I am a devotee of Sri Krishna. (NOT that I am a " member of ISKCON " ) And that if one is interested in understanding my opinion on these matters they could view my videos and articles on the subject. > > You could easily view this as (a) something which originated from other members (therefore reprimand them, not me) and (b) an attempt by me not to clog your parashari discussion group with non-astrological discussion of Krishna (thank me instead of reprimand me). Instead you reprimand me for starting the conversation, and accuse me of trying to populate your group with my own (fanciful and biased) ideas. > > As you say we all act according to our karma. > > With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you are now in Mercury/ Saturn. > > For these very reasons I am sure you will be angered by this and take it as an insult. It was not meant as an insult. Why not use it as a motivation to improve and grow? You need to grow, I need to grow. We all need to grow. > > You seem to look down upon me in a way which assumes vastly more knowledge, realization and talent than I. Therefore you rarely if ever appreciate anything I try to contribute to this science or to your discussion group. Your peers, however, do not hold such a view and they always kindly compliment, encourage and applaud me - even on the very same topics I have posted here - which you have nothing but contempt for and only see the evils of: My assessment of how the gunas overlap to create a spectrum of effects through the zodiac. And my work on Sri Krishna's chart, for example. This shows that you are somewhat abnormal in your response to me, so perhaps you should take this as an opportunity for humility and re-evaluate your reactions to me and your preconceptions of me and what I try to do. > > Your Moon is 6th to mine, Your Sun is 12th to mine. Therefore we don't get along and will never get along except by exercising the divinity of our freewill and allowing our karma to make us GROW rather than define our limitations. We are both born with Capricorn rising, therefore (with sun and moon not compatible) we bite our crocodile teeth into one another and neither of us lets go. > > Let's try to grow out of these patterns together and let go and accept one another in a role of mutual understanding and acceptance. > > Sincerely, > Vic DiCara > > jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > ///And since this is not a personal attack, why raise any question about my personal spiritual integrity?/// > > > > No Vic, I did not question your personal spiritual integrity nor did I, in fact, even raise the topic. It was you (yourself) who introduced the thread regarding your spiritual credentials, as seen below. > > > > ///Regarding Krishna, I am a sadhak initiated into Brahma-Madhva-Gadiya Rupanuga sampradaya by a great disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. If you would like you can view the following video (and perhaps also the others in the series) to familiarize yourself with much understanding of the situation philosophically and astrologically./// > > > > My objection was to your continued efforts to direct members to your teaching videos, which, by what I've seen, are focused very much on your own religious point of view. I am not objecting to you having a particular view about anything...what I am objecting to is your use of JV as a platform for your teaching material. > > > > You must know, Vic that I'm not in agreement with much of what is offered on your site... to avoid further conflict I will not go into the reasons why. But can't you see that by allowing this to continue unchecked, I would be virtually giving my stamp of approval. Yes, in the spirit of giving a person " A Fair Go " , I allowed the initial Videos to be posted. However it was never intended to be a free license for a steady flow of (teaching) videos. > > > > ///Talking about Krishna's chart has been interpreted by you as pushing ISKCON. It is analogous to saying that talking about Hitler's chart means one is pushing nazi-ism. Or talking about Jim Morrison's chart means that one is working for Chrysalis Records trying to sell more Doors records to the members on your discussion group./// > > > > This again is a completely unrealistic analogy as the other charts you mention can be calculated and interpreted for study purposes, whereas your proposed chart for Krishna is unverifiable (astronomically) and therefore cannot be scrutinized. This is little more than your opinion of what Krishna's chart should be...there's no possibility for (any) scientific verification, so where's the value for study purposes? Besides it was you (yourself) who made the point of your ISKCON connection...this was what initiated my response...see above! > > > > ///I would not mind at all discussing it with you in personal email if you wish to continue the discussion./// > > > > Unfortunately the sheer volume of personal mail makes it impractical for me to respond. If members wish to make a point regarding jyotish or the way the group is managed, they should address their mail to the group itself...that's what it's here for! > > > > Like you, I do hope that we can recover from this conflict and focus our attention once again on jyotish. > > > > Best Wishes > > Mrs.Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > =================== > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4980 (20100328) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Vic DiCara, ///I don't agree with you/// Of course you don't agree with what the planets are saying! However, there is a history (in your own words) that confirms the malefic influences in regards to 9th house and karaka Jupiter. As we know, both 9th bhava and Jupiter signify such things as religion, guru, guide (teacher/preceptor) etc.. And as stated earlier, both are afflicted by either aspect or conjunction. 9th lord Mercury is suffering 'papa kartari yoga' (enclosed by malefics) in 8th house of occult, whilst karaka Jupiter is aspected by both debilitated Saturn (dispositor of Rahu) and debilitated Mars (dispositor of Saturn). Certainly Jupiter's aspect on both 2nd house (education/educators) and lagnesh Saturn ensures activities associated with religion. But there can be no doubt that, due to malefic influences, you are rebellious against traditional religious traditions and disrespectful towards traditional teachers (guides/mentors). As proof of this let's take a look at your own words in regards to the occult... **I have been drawn to supernatural stuff for as long as I can remember. But all the standard religion I encountered in my youth was too overtly traditional and conformist for me. My gateway into the supernatural world came instead through the rebellious personalities of underground music.** And, again here... **Nevertheless, Vic, or Vraja-kishore as we'd like to remember him, did contribute a lot to spreading Krishna consciousness through this medium. The changes he tried to make to some problems with the movement were sincere no doubt, but change always comes about gradually through co-operation and dialogue, not fanaticism and complete exclusion from what is perceived as 'the norm'.** And again, in regards to your first guru (guide)... **I had found a real-life group of people who wanted to read secret languages and dress up like Gandalf the wizard! That was what really, subconsciously, hooked me on the Hari's. My First Guru I first met, Ray Cappo...** **Me and Cappo started to butt heads a lot. He had a certain charisma and approach to preaching about Krishna consciousness that I thought was really sensational and irritating.** Here is a link to the above quotes: http://www.krishnacore.com/biographies/108_bio.html Do you not see a pattern here, Vic? And you're repeating it again now on JV...rebellious against both the traditions of Parasari jyotish, and total disrespect towards the owner/moderator of an established Parasara discussion group. As hard as it might be for you to believe, I'm not wanting to cause you any pain; but if you truly want to continue with your jyotish studies you need to be able (at least) to understand your own chart before reading others and/or (heaven forbid) teaching this divine science...for a hefty fee, no less! Your effort at reading my chart is a prime example of your lack of experience...nothing more than an immature attempt to score a point! ///With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you are now in Mercury/ Saturn./// As you know lagnesh Saturn, lord of 2nd house of speech, occupies house of great friend in sign of exalted 9th lord Mercury (significator for speech), whilst exalted Jupiter conjuncts Rahu in nakshatra of 9th lord Mercury. As you're now associated with a Buddhist temple you may find the following link of some interest: http://jyotishvidya.com/rahu.htm No doubt combust Venus in 8th has brought some problems in regards to chronic health, family happiness, worries and concerns in regards to children, problems in relation to spouse and ups & downs in regards to status in life. Very few escape some difficulties in life (negative karma) but your interpretation, from a traditional perspective, is extremely immature and short-sighted. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== Vic DiCara Monday, March 29, 2010 9:09 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Jumping to conclusion ! Dear Mrs. Wendy, I don't agree with you, but I do apologize. Sorry for bothering you so. Sincerely, Vic DiCara __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4983 (20100329) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I apologize for disturbing you. I apologize for appearing to be trying to spread a personal agenda on your site. It is not important that this was not my true intention - what is important is that you perceived it this way and that I apologize for it. You have clearly made it known that you do not consider me qualified to act as an astrologer and teach astrology. I shall take heed of your opinion. Do note that it is one opinion among many. And it is one that the many do not agree with or share. In fact it is quite diametrically opposite from most opinions of persons on comparable levels of knowledge, experience and accomplishment as your good self. Now let's talk about birth charts. Let's not talk about yours in this fashion unless and until you would like us to. Let's talk about mine. In my small opinion, reading ones own chart correctly requires humility, sincerity, tolerance, patience and so forth - far more than it requires technical astrological expertise or experience. Therefore it is really good to hear from OTHER PEOPLE about one's own chart. I especially appreciate and value your insights and perspective on the karmas which make me who I am. So far you have offered the following very interesting insights: - My 2nd house is occupied by Rahu who is in satabhishak nakshatra I agree with you this can be very negative. It will take " 1000 Doctors " to cure the rebelliousness of my words! I will never let anything conventional pass my lips. This can be extremely burdensome and tiring on those who seek to govern or control or even beneficially guide and direct me. My Guru, for example, has had to show me the utmost patience and tolerance to grant me the blessings of his teachings. For this I am very grateful as well as sorry. On the other hand, Sri Rahu thus blesses me with the ability to revolutionize things under his guidance. - My 2nd house lord, Saturn (also lagnesh) is debilitated in the 4th house I agree that the debilitated lord weakens the significations of the house. With Saturn debilitated I have found that I lack the intrinsic ability to " apply the brakes " - to know when to stop - to know when " enough is enough " Therefore I say things I should have refrained from saying. For example, in the reply which insulted you so, I actually wrote " I know you will take this as an insult but... " yet continued to write. If Saturn were not debilitated perhaps I would have stopped there, thinking, " Well since she would only take this as an insult, don't bother writing it. " On the other hand it is rather enjoyable and nice to have the 2nd lord here in the 4th house - I feel it lends to sincerity. I say (2nd house) what is in my heart (emotional heart - 4th house) without trying to hide, calculate or restrain it much (saturn). Do note that saturn has three positive amshas, though. And modification of debility. Perhaps this is why there are also some positive benefits of Saturn in my chart which I am fortunate to have and cherish. - My debilitated Saturn aspects Jupiter who is in my 10th House, in Chitra, which is a nakshatra owned by Mars. From this I think you are indicating that the Jupiter in my 10th house is under malady from having his nakshatra lord debilitated and aspected by a malefic who is debilitated. This is one of two factors leading you to point out that I am compelled to be a teacher and " guru " even though I am not qualified? (The 2nd factor being the compelling Rahu in the house of knowledge). Honestly I am not entirely sure I can see this from your point of view. Should we take into account that all of these mutual kendras (between Jupiter, Saturn and Mars) are giving strength and support to one another, improving their debilities rather than amplifying their faults? Should we also take into account that Jupiter's mutual aspect with Saturn forms a " Parvata Yoga " - which more or less causes a native to rise above the masses of people as a result of erudition and oratory skill? - My 9th lord is in the 8th house with Ketu. And Jupiter (the natural representative of the 9th house) is also afflicted as described above. I also may not, unfortunately, be blessed to see your point of view here. I apologize. For the reasons I mentioned above, I can't see the view that Jupiter is significantly damaged in my chart. I see what you are saying that my 9th lord is in the 8th house w/ ketu - of course. from what I see Parashara does not give a negative description to this lordship yoga pertaining to the natives attitude towards religion or piety (of course you know more than me of the jyotish shastra dictums - so please correct me if I am missing something). It seems you were seeing this situation as an illustration that I have poor morals or poor humility? Isn't the 8th house a rather humble and humiliating place in the sky? Planets there are falling towards the Western horizon, coming face to face with their inevitable " death " when they set. I would think that maybe the 9th lord in the 8th house could promote a morality which has that flavor? Especially in combination with the humble/humiliating Ketu, right? On the other hand, not only is the 9th lord in my 8th house - also my 10th lord is there: yogakaraka Venus. This makes things really interesting since it is now a dharma-karma-adhipati yoga, correct? And this yoga occurs on the Rahu/Ketu axis. Might not this yoga have some important bearing on the planets who occupy the houses owned by the planets involved: the Moon in Taurus and Jupiter in Libra? And also upon Rahu himself. So maybe this auspicious yoga should be factored in to ones evaluation of my Rahu and Jupiter? Did you do so? My 8th house Mercury is really a problem spot, though. I agree. I speak well on mystical matters and occult, but boy I have a tendency to get myself arguments and cause huge flareups of controversial discussion!!! This accompanies me everywhere I go at all times. Between Rahu in my second house and Mercury here in this degree of the 8th I am like a walking debate! =) I think a contributing factor why this Mercury has burdened me so in this way is that he is at 1º27 " and my Ascendant is at 1º40 " . This is recognized in tajjika/western aspects, but in Vedic astrology we see the effect of these " orbs " in peculiar patterns throughout the vargas. Mercury is extremely effective in my chart as a result of this. On the negative side " 8th house speech " is just about all I can talk! On the bright side this gives me a special ability to discuss the symbolic and spiritual. On this same topic the only planet closer than Mercury in " orb " to my ascendant is Jupiter. My two most effective planets are Jupiter (the teacher) and Mercury (the student). Of course Jupiter is a negative lord for the Capricorn rising sign - since he owns the 12th and 3rd house. Additionally, being opposite my Saturn he has become inimical to my chart lord. So it can certainly support views that I am a lusty miscreant barbarian! On the other hand, with a kinder eye one can see that not only am I a lusty miscreat barbarian, I am also a person who relatively well succeeds in taking foreign (12th house) concepts - especially occult and spiritual foreign concepts - and expressing them clearly (chitra) in writing (3rd house) a part of my guidance / councelling / teaching (Jupiter) oriented career (10th house). Of course this assessment has exclusively been aimed at finding ways for me to understand how I am a rogue. Therefore we have ignored things which might obviously be to the contrary - though I admit maybe they are few! In any case, thank you for taking the time to help me understand myself. I hope that you will continue to do so and offer your valuable insight. Sincerely, Vic DiCara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Vic DiCara, > > ///I don't agree with you/// > > Of course you don't agree with what the planets are saying! However, there is a history (in your own words) that confirms the malefic influences in regards to 9th house and karaka Jupiter. As we know, both 9th bhava and Jupiter signify such things as religion, guru, guide (teacher/preceptor) etc.. > > And as stated earlier, both are afflicted by either aspect or conjunction. 9th lord Mercury is suffering 'papa kartari yoga' (enclosed by malefics) in 8th house of occult, whilst karaka Jupiter is aspected by both debilitated Saturn (dispositor of Rahu) and debilitated Mars (dispositor of Saturn). Certainly Jupiter's aspect on both 2nd house (education/educators) and lagnesh Saturn ensures activities associated with religion. But there can be no doubt that, due to malefic influences, you are rebellious against traditional religious traditions and disrespectful towards traditional teachers (guides/mentors). > > As proof of this let's take a look at your own words in regards to the occult... > **I have been drawn to supernatural stuff for as long as I can remember. But all the standard religion I encountered in my youth was too overtly traditional and conformist for me. My gateway into the supernatural world came instead through the rebellious personalities of underground music.** > > And, again here... > **Nevertheless, Vic, or Vraja-kishore as we'd like to remember him, did contribute a lot to spreading Krishna consciousness through this medium. The changes he tried to make to some problems with the movement were sincere no doubt, but change always comes about gradually through co-operation and dialogue, not fanaticism and complete exclusion from what is perceived as 'the norm'.** > > And again, in regards to your first guru (guide)... > **I had found a real-life group of people who wanted to read secret languages and dress up like Gandalf the wizard! That was what really, subconsciously, hooked me on the Hari's. My First Guru I first met, Ray Cappo...** > > **Me and Cappo started to butt heads a lot. He had a certain charisma and approach to preaching about Krishna consciousness that I thought was really sensational and irritating.** > > Here is a link to the above quotes: http://www.krishnacore.com/biographies/108_bio.html > > Do you not see a pattern here, Vic? And you're repeating it again now on JV...rebellious against both the traditions of Parasari jyotish, and total disrespect towards the owner/moderator of an established Parasara discussion group. > > As hard as it might be for you to believe, I'm not wanting to cause you any pain; but if you truly want to continue with your jyotish studies you need to be able (at least) to understand your own chart before reading others and/or (heaven forbid) teaching this divine science...for a hefty fee, no less! > > Your effort at reading my chart is a prime example of your lack of experience...nothing more than an immature attempt to score a point! > > ///With your 1st and 2nd lord in your 6th house and a combust venus in your 8th your karma can be that that you make enemies by your words very easily and have difficulty being harmonious and cooperative with views that diverge slightly from your own. This comes to a head now as I write you this letter, since you are now in Mercury/ Saturn./// > > As you know lagnesh Saturn, lord of 2nd house of speech, occupies house of great friend in sign of exalted 9th lord Mercury (significator for speech), whilst exalted Jupiter conjuncts Rahu in nakshatra of 9th lord Mercury. As you're now associated with a Buddhist temple you may find the following link of some interest: http://jyotishvidya.com/rahu.htm > > No doubt combust Venus in 8th has brought some problems in regards to chronic health, family happiness, worries and concerns in regards to children, problems in relation to spouse and ups & downs in regards to status in life. > > Very few escape some difficulties in life (negative karma) but your interpretation, from a traditional perspective, is extremely immature and short-sighted. > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > > Vic DiCara > Monday, March 29, 2010 9:09 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Jumping to conclusion ! > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > I don't agree with you, but I do apologize. Sorry for bothering you so. > > Sincerely, > Vic DiCara > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4983 (20100329) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Dear Vic, ///You have clearly made it known that you do not consider me qualified to act as an astrologer and teach astrology. I shall take heed of your opinion. Do note that it is one opinion among many. And it is one that the many do not agree with or share. In fact it is quite diametrically opposite from most opinions of persons on comparable levels of knowledge, experience and accomplishment as your good self./// You know, Vic, you truly do amaze me. On the one hand you appear to be quite sincere then, almost in the very same breath, you imply that my opinion is without any value whatsoever. At this point I'm unsure whether to ban you completely or keep hoping for a change in attitude...almost there at times, but straight away the bull sharpens his horns again...incredible! Let me say this to you, Vic; No doubt, as I said back when you were a moderator here, exalted 7th lord Moon in 5th gives you an ability to advise and counsel others...I do not deny this! 7th, as I hope you know, shows our relationship with all others whilst the 5th house signifies constructive intelligence from which good advice and counsel can flow. When I first suggested (back then) that you start reading charts I never for one minute envisaged that you would jump straight into creating a website offering paid readings and lessons. I felt I'd opened a 'Pandora's Box' when I saw what you were doing and straight away regretted the advice I had given to you. Seeing your chart, in light of traditional Vedic astrology, I feel it would be more transparent (and honest, to be frank) if you presented yourself clearly as a neo-vedic astrologer...if there ever could be such a thing? That way you would avoid stepping on the toes of traditionalists and would, in fact, be presenting yourself (through your website) in a more honest and transparent way. Like labels on most goods sold today, people have a right to know what they're buying into. The rest I will not respond to right now as I'm extremely tired and in desperate need of some rest... Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== Vic DiCara Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:44 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Jumping to conclusion ! Dear Mrs. Wendy, I apologize for disturbing you. I apologize for appearing to be trying to spread a personal agenda on your site. It is not important that this was not my true intention - what is important is that you perceived it this way and that I apologize for it. You have clearly made it known that you do not consider me qualified to act as an astrologer and teach astrology. I shall take heed of your opinion. Do note that it is one opinion among many. And it is one that the many do not agree with or share. In fact it is quite diametrically opposite from most opinions of persons on comparable levels of knowledge, experience and accomplishment as your good self. Now let's talk about birth charts. Let's not talk about yours in this fashion unless and until you would like us to. Let's talk about mine. In my small opinion, reading ones own chart correctly requires humility, sincerity, tolerance, patience and so forth - far more than it requires technical astrological expertise or experience. Therefore it is really good to hear from OTHER PEOPLE about one's own chart. I especially appreciate and value your insights and perspective on the karmas which make me who I am. So far you have offered the following very interesting insights: - My 2nd house is occupied by Rahu who is in satabhishak nakshatra I agree with you this can be very negative. It will take " 1000 Doctors " to cure the rebelliousness of my words! I will never let anything conventional pass my lips. This can be extremely burdensome and tiring on those who seek to govern or control or even beneficially guide and direct me. My Guru, for example, has had to show me the utmost patience and tolerance to grant me the blessings of his teachings. For this I am very grateful as well as sorry. On the other hand, Sri Rahu thus blesses me with the ability to revolutionize things under his guidance. - My 2nd house lord, Saturn (also lagnesh) is debilitated in the 4th house I agree that the debilitated lord weakens the significations of the house. With Saturn debilitated I have found that I lack the intrinsic ability to " apply the brakes " - to know when to stop - to know when " enough is enough " Therefore I say things I should have refrained from saying. For example, in the reply which insulted you so, I actually wrote " I know you will take this as an insult but... " yet continued to write. If Saturn were not debilitated perhaps I would have stopped there, thinking, " Well since she would only take this as an insult, don't bother writing it. " On the other hand it is rather enjoyable and nice to have the 2nd lord here in the 4th house - I feel it lends to sincerity. I say (2nd house) what is in my heart (emotional heart - 4th house) without trying to hide, calculate or restrain it much (saturn). Do note that saturn has three positive amshas, though. And modification of debility. Perhaps this is why there are also some positive benefits of Saturn in my chart which I am fortunate to have and cherish. - My debilitated Saturn aspects Jupiter who is in my 10th House, in Chitra, which is a nakshatra owned by Mars. From this I think you are indicating that the Jupiter in my 10th house is under malady from having his nakshatra lord debilitated and aspected by a malefic who is debilitated. This is one of two factors leading you to point out that I am compelled to be a teacher and " guru " even though I am not qualified? (The 2nd factor being the compelling Rahu in the house of knowledge). Honestly I am not entirely sure I can see this from your point of view. Should we take into account that all of these mutual kendras (between Jupiter, Saturn and Mars) are giving strength and support to one another, improving their debilities rather than amplifying their faults? Should we also take into account that Jupiter's mutual aspect with Saturn forms a " Parvata Yoga " - which more or less causes a native to rise above the masses of people as a result of erudition and oratory skill? - My 9th lord is in the 8th house with Ketu. And Jupiter (the natural representative of the 9th house) is also afflicted as described above. I also may not, unfortunately, be blessed to see your point of view here. I apologize. For the reasons I mentioned above, I can't see the view that Jupiter is significantly damaged in my chart. I see what you are saying that my 9th lord is in the 8th house w/ ketu - of course. from what I see Parashara does not give a negative description to this lordship yoga pertaining to the natives attitude towards religion or piety (of course you know more than me of the jyotish shastra dictums - so please correct me if I am missing something). It seems you were seeing this situation as an illustration that I have poor morals or poor humility? Isn't the 8th house a rather humble and humiliating place in the sky? Planets there are falling towards the Western horizon, coming face to face with their inevitable " death " when they set. I would think that maybe the 9th lord in the 8th house could promote a morality which has that flavor? Especially in combination with the humble/humiliating Ketu, right? On the other hand, not only is the 9th lord in my 8th house - also my 10th lord is there: yogakaraka Venus. This makes things really interesting since it is now a dharma-karma-adhipati yoga, correct? And this yoga occurs on the Rahu/Ketu axis. Might not this yoga have some important bearing on the planets who occupy the houses owned by the planets involved: the Moon in Taurus and Jupiter in Libra? And also upon Rahu himself. So maybe this auspicious yoga should be factored in to ones evaluation of my Rahu and Jupiter? Did you do so? My 8th house Mercury is really a problem spot, though. I agree. I speak well on mystical matters and occult, but boy I have a tendency to get myself arguments and cause huge flareups of controversial discussion!!! This accompanies me everywhere I go at all times. Between Rahu in my second house and Mercury here in this degree of the 8th I am like a walking debate! =) I think a contributing factor why this Mercury has burdened me so in this way is that he is at 1º27 " and my Ascendant is at 1º40 " . This is recognized in tajjika/western aspects, but in Vedic astrology we see the effect of these " orbs " in peculiar patterns throughout the vargas. Mercury is extremely effective in my chart as a result of this. On the negative side " 8th house speech " is just about all I can talk! On the bright side this gives me a special ability to discuss the symbolic and spiritual. On this same topic the only planet closer than Mercury in " orb " to my ascendant is Jupiter. My two most effective planets are Jupiter (the teacher) and Mercury (the student). Of course Jupiter is a negative lord for the Capricorn rising sign - since he owns the 12th and 3rd house. Additionally, being opposite my Saturn he has become inimical to my chart lord. So it can certainly support views that I am a lusty miscreant barbarian! On the other hand, with a kinder eye one can see that not only am I a lusty miscreat barbarian, I am also a person who relatively well succeeds in taking foreign (12th house) concepts - especially occult and spiritual foreign concepts - and expressing them clearly (chitra) in writing (3rd house) a part of my guidance / councelling / teaching (Jupiter) oriented career (10th house). Of course this assessment has exclusively been aimed at finding ways for me to understand how I am a rogue. Therefore we have ignored things which might obviously be to the contrary - though I admit maybe they are few! In any case, thank you for taking the time to help me understand myself. I hope that you will continue to do so and offer your valuable insight. Sincerely, Vic DiCara __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4983 (20100329) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I value your opinion as dearly as I value the opinions of other great astrologers who help me and guide me. Is that wrong? My Rahu is in Shatabhishak - you should know that even 1000 doctors could never change my non-fundamentalist way of speaking. So if that is something you feel is bad for your group, then just let me know not to post. There is no need to ban me. When I look carefully and with attempt to be open and receptive, at my own chart what I see is a person who is fiercely devoted to ancient traditions - but fiercely opposed to what I feel suffocates them and makes them irrelevant: fundamentalism, dogma, and narrow thinking. In my experience 99% of the people I interact with on a daily basis don't care if I am a " neo-vedic " astrologer a " vedic " astrologer or a " western " astrologer - they just want good information and clear, helpful, useful guidance. So I don't really care to label myself this or that. In fact I have taken to just calling myself an Astrologer. I hope you get a good rest and am very sorry if I cause any disturbance to your peace of mind at all. Sincerely, Vic jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > ///You have clearly made it known that you do not consider me qualified to act as an astrologer and teach astrology. I shall take heed of your opinion. Do note that it is one opinion among many. And it is one that the many do not agree with or share. In fact it is quite diametrically opposite from most opinions of persons on comparable levels of knowledge, experience and accomplishment as your good self./// > > You know, Vic, you truly do amaze me. On the one hand you appear to be quite sincere then, almost in the very same breath, you imply that my opinion is without any value whatsoever. At this point I'm unsure whether to ban you completely or keep hoping for a change in attitude...almost there at times, but straight away the bull sharpens his horns again...incredible! > > Let me say this to you, Vic; No doubt, as I said back when you were a moderator here, exalted 7th lord Moon in 5th gives you an ability to advise and counsel others...I do not deny this! 7th, as I hope you know, shows our relationship with all others whilst the 5th house signifies constructive intelligence from which good advice and counsel can flow. When I first suggested (back then) that you start reading charts I never for one minute envisaged that you would jump straight into creating a website offering paid readings and lessons. I felt I'd opened a 'Pandora's Box' when I saw what you were doing and straight away regretted the advice I had given to you. > > Seeing your chart, in light of traditional Vedic astrology, I feel it would be more transparent (and honest, to be frank) if you presented yourself clearly as a neo-vedic astrologer...if there ever could be such a thing? That way you would avoid stepping on the toes of traditionalists and would, in fact, be presenting yourself (through your website) in a more honest and transparent way. Like labels on most goods sold today, people have a right to know what they're buying into. > > The rest I will not respond to right now as I'm extremely tired and in desperate need of some rest... > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > > > > Vic DiCara > Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:44 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Jumping to conclusion ! > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > I apologize for disturbing you. I apologize for appearing to be trying to spread a personal agenda on your site. It is not important that this was not my true intention - what is important is that you perceived it this way and that I apologize for it. > > You have clearly made it known that you do not consider me qualified to act as an astrologer and teach astrology. I shall take heed of your opinion. Do note that it is one opinion among many. And it is one that the many do not agree with or share. In fact it is quite diametrically opposite from most opinions of persons on comparable levels of knowledge, experience and accomplishment as your good self. > > Now let's talk about birth charts. Let's not talk about yours in this fashion unless and until you would like us to. Let's talk about mine. > > In my small opinion, reading ones own chart correctly requires humility, sincerity, tolerance, patience and so forth - far more than it requires technical astrological expertise or experience. Therefore it is really good to hear from OTHER PEOPLE about one's own chart. I especially appreciate and value your insights and perspective on the karmas which make me who I am. > > So far you have offered the following very interesting insights: > > - My 2nd house is occupied by Rahu who is in satabhishak nakshatra > > I agree with you this can be very negative. It will take " 1000 Doctors " to cure the rebelliousness of my words! I will never let anything conventional pass my lips. This can be extremely burdensome and tiring on those who seek to govern or control or even beneficially guide and direct me. My Guru, for example, has had to show me the utmost patience and tolerance to grant me the blessings of his teachings. For this I am very grateful as well as sorry. > > On the other hand, Sri Rahu thus blesses me with the ability to revolutionize things under his guidance. > > - My 2nd house lord, Saturn (also lagnesh) is debilitated in the 4th house > > I agree that the debilitated lord weakens the significations of the house. With Saturn debilitated I have found that I lack the intrinsic ability to " apply the brakes " - to know when to stop - to know when " enough is enough " Therefore I say things I should have refrained from saying. > > For example, in the reply which insulted you so, I actually wrote " I know you will take this as an insult but... " yet continued to write. If Saturn were not debilitated perhaps I would have stopped there, thinking, " Well since she would only take this as an insult, don't bother writing it. " > > On the other hand it is rather enjoyable and nice to have the 2nd lord here in the 4th house - I feel it lends to sincerity. I say (2nd house) what is in my heart (emotional heart - 4th house) without trying to hide, calculate or restrain it much (saturn). > > Do note that saturn has three positive amshas, though. And modification of debility. Perhaps this is why there are also some positive benefits of Saturn in my chart which I am fortunate to have and cherish. > > - My debilitated Saturn aspects Jupiter who is in my 10th House, in Chitra, which is a nakshatra owned by Mars. > > From this I think you are indicating that the Jupiter in my 10th house is under malady from having his nakshatra lord debilitated and aspected by a malefic who is debilitated. This is one of two factors leading you to point out that I am compelled to be a teacher and " guru " even though I am not qualified? (The 2nd factor being the compelling Rahu in the house of knowledge). > > Honestly I am not entirely sure I can see this from your point of view. > > Should we take into account that all of these mutual kendras (between Jupiter, Saturn and Mars) are giving strength and support to one another, improving their debilities rather than amplifying their faults? Should we also take into account that Jupiter's mutual aspect with Saturn forms a " Parvata Yoga " - which more or less causes a native to rise above the masses of people as a result of erudition and oratory skill? > > - My 9th lord is in the 8th house with Ketu. And Jupiter (the natural representative of the 9th house) is also afflicted as described above. > > I also may not, unfortunately, be blessed to see your point of view here. I apologize. For the reasons I mentioned above, I can't see the view that Jupiter is significantly damaged in my chart. > > I see what you are saying that my 9th lord is in the 8th house w/ ketu - of course. from what I see Parashara does not give a negative description to this lordship yoga pertaining to the natives attitude towards religion or piety (of course you know more than me of the jyotish shastra dictums - so please correct me if I am missing something). > > It seems you were seeing this situation as an illustration that I have poor morals or poor humility? > > Isn't the 8th house a rather humble and humiliating place in the sky? Planets there are falling towards the Western horizon, coming face to face with their inevitable " death " when they set. I would think that maybe the 9th lord in the 8th house could promote a morality which has that flavor? Especially in combination with the humble/humiliating Ketu, right? > > On the other hand, not only is the 9th lord in my 8th house - also my 10th lord is there: yogakaraka Venus. This makes things really interesting since it is now a dharma-karma-adhipati yoga, correct? And this yoga occurs on the Rahu/Ketu axis. Might not this yoga have some important bearing on the planets who occupy the houses owned by the planets involved: the Moon in Taurus and Jupiter in Libra? And also upon Rahu himself. So maybe this auspicious yoga should be factored in to ones evaluation of my Rahu and Jupiter? Did you do so? > > My 8th house Mercury is really a problem spot, though. I agree. I speak well on mystical matters and occult, but boy I have a tendency to get myself arguments and cause huge flareups of controversial discussion!!! This accompanies me everywhere I go at all times. Between Rahu in my second house and Mercury here in this degree of the 8th I am like a walking debate! =) > > I think a contributing factor why this Mercury has burdened me so in this way is that he is at 1º27 " and my Ascendant is at 1º40 " . This is recognized in tajjika/western aspects, but in Vedic astrology we see the effect of these " orbs " in peculiar patterns throughout the vargas. Mercury is extremely effective in my chart as a result of this. > > On the negative side " 8th house speech " is just about all I can talk! On the bright side this gives me a special ability to discuss the symbolic and spiritual. > > On this same topic the only planet closer than Mercury in " orb " to my ascendant is Jupiter. My two most effective planets are Jupiter (the teacher) and Mercury (the student). > > Of course Jupiter is a negative lord for the Capricorn rising sign - since he owns the 12th and 3rd house. Additionally, being opposite my Saturn he has become inimical to my chart lord. So it can certainly support views that I am a lusty miscreant barbarian! On the other hand, with a kinder eye one can see that not only am I a lusty miscreat barbarian, I am also a person who relatively well succeeds in taking foreign (12th house) concepts - especially occult and spiritual foreign concepts - and expressing them clearly (chitra) in writing (3rd house) a part of my guidance / councelling / teaching (Jupiter) oriented career (10th house). > > Of course this assessment has exclusively been aimed at finding ways for me to understand how I am a rogue. Therefore we have ignored things which might obviously be to the contrary - though I admit maybe they are few! In any case, thank you for taking the time to help me understand myself. I hope that you will continue to do so and offer your valuable insight. > > Sincerely, > Vic DiCara > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4983 (20100329) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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