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Dear Group,

 

Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an ever

increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to turn away

from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of course

everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever path they

choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from the grip of

karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological influences that

support either traditional or non-traditional views.

 

First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which signifies the

vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the veda' (jyotish)

as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal chart.

 

This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru, religion,

faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka (Jupiter), is

weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will suffer in

proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone who turns away

from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish, favoring more

unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.

 

Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and speech. This

house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house, for

instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a strong

compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury also needs

to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc..

 

The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of India's

greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this house along with

Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signs with Moon,

gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

 

As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services via the

internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars) also need to be

considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic conjunction/aspect.

 

Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in terms of

astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional approach. This

house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, if well fortified

and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases intuition and favors

moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally recognised as

different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that, for traditional

wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the stronger of the two. No

doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the non-traditional.

 

I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the

astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the other, or

even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both traditional and

non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to

mix very well.

 

Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer Andrew Lynn,

a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP method and was,

at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out strongly against

traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from astrology altogether a

couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology simply didn't work...to

me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.

 

Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for some time,

especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be cloudy days in

the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but, like the Sun,

it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Dear Mrs Wendy,

thanks for unusual aswell as great sunday post!!!.....

Warm regards,

gopi.

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya

wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an

ever increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to

turn away from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional

approach. Of course everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to

follow whatever path they choose without condemnation...after all none

of us are free from the grip of karma. My only interest here is to

investigate the astrological influences that support either traditional

or non-traditional views.

>

> First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which

signifies the vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye

of the veda' (jyotish) as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with

the natal chart.

>

> This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru,

religion, faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its

karaka (Jupiter), is weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the

significations will suffer in proportion to the level of affliction and

we may find someone who turns away from traditional teaching, whether it

be religion or jyotish, favoring more unconventional paths over those of

traditional teachers.

>

> Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and

speech. This house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in

this house, for instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or

someone with a strong compulsion to be an educator. As the significator

of speech, Mercury also needs to be considered here i.e. is Mercury

associated with malefics etc..

>

> The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of

India's greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this

house along with Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),

exchanging signs with Moon, gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

>

> As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services

via the internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars)

also need to be considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic

conjunction/aspect.

>

> Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in

terms of astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the

non-traditional approach. This house, as we know, is associated with

tantra and certainly, if well fortified and supported by the rest of the

horoscope, increases intuition and favors moksha. However, in the

context of jyotish, it's generally recognised as different from the

vedic tradition. My view here is that, for traditional wisdom/religion

to prevail, 9th house needs to be the stronger of the two. No doubt 9th

lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the non-traditional.

>

> I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the

astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the

other, or even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both

traditional and non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and

water, the two don't seem to mix very well.

>

> Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer

Andrew Lynn, a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed

the KP method and was, at one time, quite active on the various groups

speaking out strongly against traditional astrologers. Apparently he

turned away from astrology altogether a couple of years ago stating

emphatically that astrology simply didn't work...to me that's almost

akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.

>

> Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for

some time, especially if you live in England; likewise there may often

be cloudy days in the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and

gloomy; but, like the Sun, it's only a passing phase. Truth is

eternal...

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

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Dear Gopi,

 

I'm pleased you found it worthwhile enough to comment. Yes, I've broken my

weekend away rule as I have a busy day ahead tomorrow and may no be able to find

much time for the group. Hence the effort to catch-up with things I wanted to

share (with the group) this weekend.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

===================

 

 

 

gopalakrishna

Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:24 PM

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Re: Tradition verses non-tradition

 

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy,

thanks for unusual aswell as great sunday post!!!.....

Warm regards,

gopi.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy maa'm,

 

Thank you very much for the great post.

 

Best Regards

Keshav

 

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an ever

> increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to turn away

> from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of course

> everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever path they

> choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from the grip of

> karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological influences

> that support either traditional or non-traditional views.

>

> First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which signifies

> the vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the veda'

> (jyotish) as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal chart.

>

> This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru, religion,

> faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka (Jupiter),

> is weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will

> suffer in proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone who

> turns away from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish,

> favoring more unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.

>

> Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and speech.

> This house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house, for

> instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a strong

> compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury also

> needs to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc..

>

> The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of India's

> greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this house along

> with Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signs

> with Moon, gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

>

> As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services via

> the internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars) also

> need to be considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic

> conjunction/aspect.

>

> Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in terms

> of astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional

> approach. This house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly,

> if well fortified and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases

> intuition and favors moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's

> generally recognised as different from the vedic tradition. My view here is

> that, for traditional wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the

> stronger of the two. No doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards

> the non-traditional.

>

> I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the

> astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the

> other, or even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both

> traditional and non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water,

> the two don't seem to mix very well.

>

> Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer Andrew

> Lynn, a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP method

> and was, at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out

> strongly against traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from

> astrology altogether a couple of years ago stating emphatically that

> astrology simply didn't work...to me that's almost akin to saying that the

> Sun doesn't shine.

>

> Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for some

> time, especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be cloudy

> days in the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but,

> like the Sun, it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

>

> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature

> database 4978 (20100326) __________

>

> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

>

> http://www.eset.com

>

>

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Dear Keshav,

 

You're most welcome...

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

===================

 

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" Keshav V " <mv.keshav

Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:02 PM

<jyotish-vidya >

Re: Re: Tradition verses non-tradition

 

Dear Wendy maa'm,

 

Thank you very much for the great post.

 

Best Regards

Keshav

 

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an ever

> increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to turn

> away

> from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of

> course

> everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever path they

> choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from the grip

> of

> karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological influences

> that support either traditional or non-traditional views.

>

> First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which signifies

> the vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the veda'

> (jyotish) as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal

> chart.

>

> This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru,

> religion,

> faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka

> (Jupiter),

> is weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will

> suffer in proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone

> who

> turns away from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish,

> favoring more unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.

>

> Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and speech.

> This house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house,

> for

> instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a strong

> compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury also

> needs to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc..

>

> The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of

> India's

> greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this house along

> with Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signs

> with Moon, gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

>

> As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services via

> the internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars) also

> need to be considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic

> conjunction/aspect.

>

> Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in terms

> of astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional

> approach. This house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly,

> if well fortified and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases

> intuition and favors moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's

> generally recognised as different from the vedic tradition. My view here

> is

> that, for traditional wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be

> the

> stronger of the two. No doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards

> the non-traditional.

>

> I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the

> astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the

> other, or even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both

> traditional and non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water,

> the two don't seem to mix very well.

>

> Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer Andrew

> Lynn, a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP

> method

> and was, at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out

> strongly against traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from

> astrology altogether a couple of years ago stating emphatically that

> astrology simply didn't work...to me that's almost akin to saying that the

> Sun doesn't shine.

>

> Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for some

> time, especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be

> cloudy

> days in the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but,

> like the Sun, it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ===================

 

 

 

 

 

 

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