Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Group, Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an ever increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to turn away from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of course everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever path they choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from the grip of karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological influences that support either traditional or non-traditional views. First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which signifies the vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the veda' (jyotish) as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal chart. This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru, religion, faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka (Jupiter), is weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will suffer in proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone who turns away from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish, favoring more unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers. Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and speech. This house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house, for instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a strong compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury also needs to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc.. The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of India's greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this house along with Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signs with Moon, gets exalted in 5th house of literary works. As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services via the internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars) also need to be considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic conjunction/aspect. Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in terms of astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional approach. This house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, if well fortified and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases intuition and favors moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally recognised as different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that, for traditional wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the stronger of the two. No doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the non-traditional. I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the other, or even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both traditional and non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to mix very well. Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer Andrew Lynn, a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP method and was, at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out strongly against traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from astrology altogether a couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology simply didn't work...to me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine. Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for some time, especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be cloudy days in the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but, like the Sun, it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal... Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Mrs Wendy, thanks for unusual aswell as great sunday post!!!..... Warm regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Group, > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an ever increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to turn away from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of course everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever path they choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from the grip of karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological influences that support either traditional or non-traditional views. > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which signifies the vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the veda' (jyotish) as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal chart. > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru, religion, faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka (Jupiter), is weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will suffer in proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone who turns away from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish, favoring more unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers. > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and speech. This house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house, for instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a strong compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury also needs to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc.. > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of India's greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this house along with Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signs with Moon, gets exalted in 5th house of literary works. > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services via the internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars) also need to be considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic conjunction/aspect. > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in terms of astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional approach. This house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, if well fortified and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases intuition and favors moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally recognised as different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that, for traditional wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the stronger of the two. No doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the non-traditional. > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the other, or even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both traditional and non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to mix very well. > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer Andrew Lynn, a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP method and was, at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out strongly against traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from astrology altogether a couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology simply didn't work...to me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine. > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for some time, especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be cloudy days in the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but, like the Sun, it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal... > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4978 (20100326) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Gopi, I'm pleased you found it worthwhile enough to comment. Yes, I've broken my weekend away rule as I have a busy day ahead tomorrow and may no be able to find much time for the group. Hence the effort to catch-up with things I wanted to share (with the group) this weekend. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== gopalakrishna Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:24 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Tradition verses non-tradition Dear Mrs Wendy, thanks for unusual aswell as great sunday post!!!..... Warm regards, gopi. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4979 (20100328) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Dear Wendy maa'm, Thank you very much for the great post. Best Regards Keshav On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an ever > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to turn away > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of course > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever path they > choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from the grip of > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological influences > that support either traditional or non-traditional views. > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which signifies > the vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the veda' > (jyotish) as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal chart. > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru, religion, > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka (Jupiter), > is weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will > suffer in proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone who > turns away from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish, > favoring more unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers. > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and speech. > This house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house, for > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a strong > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury also > needs to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc.. > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of India's > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this house along > with Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signs > with Moon, gets exalted in 5th house of literary works. > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services via > the internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars) also > need to be considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic > conjunction/aspect. > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in terms > of astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional > approach. This house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, > if well fortified and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases > intuition and favors moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's > generally recognised as different from the vedic tradition. My view here is > that, for traditional wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the > stronger of the two. No doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards > the non-traditional. > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the > other, or even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both > traditional and non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, > the two don't seem to mix very well. > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer Andrew > Lynn, a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP method > and was, at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out > strongly against traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from > astrology altogether a couple of years ago stating emphatically that > astrology simply didn't work...to me that's almost akin to saying that the > Sun doesn't shine. > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for some > time, especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be cloudy > days in the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but, > like the Sun, it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal... > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4978 (20100326) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Dear Keshav, You're most welcome... Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== ----------------- " Keshav V " <mv.keshav Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:02 PM <jyotish-vidya > Re: Re: Tradition verses non-tradition Dear Wendy maa'm, Thank you very much for the great post. Best Regards Keshav On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mrs.Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an ever > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to turn > away > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of > course > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever path they > choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from the grip > of > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological influences > that support either traditional or non-traditional views. > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which signifies > the vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the veda' > (jyotish) as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal > chart. > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru, > religion, > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka > (Jupiter), > is weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will > suffer in proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone > who > turns away from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish, > favoring more unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers. > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and speech. > This house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house, > for > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a strong > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury also > needs to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc.. > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of > India's > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this house along > with Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signs > with Moon, gets exalted in 5th house of literary works. > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services via > the internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars) also > need to be considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic > conjunction/aspect. > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in terms > of astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional > approach. This house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, > if well fortified and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases > intuition and favors moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's > generally recognised as different from the vedic tradition. My view here > is > that, for traditional wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be > the > stronger of the two. No doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards > the non-traditional. > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the > other, or even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both > traditional and non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, > the two don't seem to mix very well. > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer Andrew > Lynn, a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP > method > and was, at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out > strongly against traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from > astrology altogether a couple of years ago stating emphatically that > astrology simply didn't work...to me that's almost akin to saying that the > Sun doesn't shine. > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for some > time, especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be > cloudy > days in the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but, > like the Sun, it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal... > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > =================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4983 (20100329) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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