Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Dear Gopi ji, I do believe from spiritual literature, that humans who have reached the highest stage of spirituality, where atma gyan (self-realisation) is achieved, their karmas have been resolved, and the effect of astrology(planets) no longer applies. What is also interesting to note, most of these highly spiritual beings have also gained astrological knowledge at some point in their lives. warmest regards Sheevani jyotish-vidya , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Dear Sheevani ji, > Namasthe. > //Indeed the human mind is a very complex yet facinating subject.// > you are right.That's why sages wanted us to study the chart > from moon aswell.Specially the vimsottari dasa is designed basing upon > moon only and in this kaliyug VD works much better than any other dasas > it was also said.Humans live more in mind than in body in kaliyug.The > sages have foreseen this and designed VD accordingly. > Few days ago when i posted something on these lines,i was thinking about > the mind(probably).When Mrs wendy asked me something about the context > of the post i could not recolect and express my thoughts.That's why mind > is both complex and fascinating and some times dangerous > aswell.Excessive imagination specially when moon is highly aflicted is > what i mean!!.. > I have also found in many charts when moon is aspd by both jup and sat > the natives are well balanced.I have also seen in a few charts where > normal VD does not work.In such cases individuals concerned are not > living in their minds but in their bodies/SOULS.........probably!!! > Warmest regards, > gopi. > jyotish-vidya , " Sheevani " <sheevani147@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > Namaste. > > > > Indeed the human mind is a very complex yet facinating subject. > > > > It gives insight to the qualities of mercury and jupiter. A good > mercury gives excellent communication skills, ability to gather and > comprehend knowledge/information but to organise this information you > need the administrative skills of a good strong jupiter. Only then you > are able to apply the right information correctly and consistently. > > > > One has to be observant and try to understand how jupiter behaves in > saggitarius lagna, pisces lagna and cancer lagna, there will be > similarities yet there are differences. It is understanding these > differences, that will sharpen your astrological skills. Similarly you > can see the difference of jupiter in same sign in lagna, say cancer, due > to the nakshatra it is placed in, punarvasu, pushya or asleesha. > > > > With experience, it all seem so simple, but to a novice, all this > information is still in the hands of mercury,, and not been processed > and sorted by jupiter, hence the difficulty in application. > > > > I too need the blessings of my jupiter for there is still too much > mercury in me. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > jyotish-vidya , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > > // " to err is human " and i did apologise for any ommisions.// > > > to err is human mind!!Apology is also needed according to me since > you > > > are apologising to another human mind!!.. > > > // I too struggled initially to get a method that was logical and > > > worked.// > > > Method should be both logical and astrological i suppose.. > > > both you and Veejai ji are right since both of you are telling the > same > > > thing in your own way that Neelesh ji also have to struggle and find > his > > > own way!!!!....That's why jyotish(science of light) is great. > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Sheevani " <sheevani147@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vejai-Ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I have not disagreeed with you, If you read carefully I have > covered > > > all things you mention except for taking the bhavas from moon.. > > > > > > > > After all " to err is human " and i did apologise for any ommisions. > > > > > > > > I suggest to Nilesh to look at the generic phal given by parashara > and > > > compare the chart taking into account factors that can influence or > > > change outcome. > > > > > > > > I also said this works for me, and every person has his own ways > and i > > > respect that. > > > > > > > > I am not teaching here, just sharing my own experience as I too > > > struggled initially to get a method that was logical and worked. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vejai S astrovejai@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear sheevani , Nilesh ji nad al group member ,, > > > > >  > > > > > according to me ,, there in no thumb rule in antar dasha > > > prediction as such ,, > > > > > we have to take various other thing into consideration to know > that > > > shani antarshasa in sun dasha is good or bad ,, it also too depend > upon > > > the following > > > > >  > > > > > 1) which house the plant belong from the moon > > > > > 2) which house the panet belong in the ruling dasha planet > > > > > 3) in whose nakshastra the shani or surya is present,, > > > > > 4) the degree of planet > > > > > 5) whats it position in niryan bhav chalit nad bhav chalit ,, > > > > >  > > > > > if ther is any thumb rule than ,, any body could say ,, ur > having > > > shani under surya ,, so be prepare for hardship ,, many thing had to > be > > > taken under consideration before making prediction accoringf to me > ,, > > > > >  > > > > > rgds > > > > > Vejai > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/3/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > > Re: Interpreting the antardasas > > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010, 10:41 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nilesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Parashara has given outcomes of dashas and antradashas in BPHS > > > chapter 52 onwards. > > > > > > > > > > Here the placement of antradasha lord with respect to Mahadasha > lord > > > is taken into consideration as well as the bhava placement of the > > > mahadasha/antradash a in the natal chart. The relationship of the > > > mahadasha lord and the antradasha lord is also considered. as > naturally > > > if it is friendly, some positive outcomes can be expected, and vice > > > versa. > > > > > > > > > > Shani's antradasha in sun mahadasha is generally better than sun > > > antradasha in shani's mahadasha.. please reflect on this!!! > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " niljoshi27 " > <niljoshi27@ > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > How are antardasa's in a dasa period analyzed? > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason for this question is the fact that certain > antardasa's > > > are always considered bad , for e.g Saturn's antardasa in Sun Dasa > or > > > > > > Rahu in Moon etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can such periods be good based on the placement of the > planets. > > > > > > Do we look at the relationship of the planets concerned, > > > > > > the relative placement wrt each other, (9th /5th from each > > > other,4th/10th from each other etc) > > > > > > innate strength of the planets? > > > > > > > > > > > > What else do we look at ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Nilesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Dear Sivaprakasam, Yes, longevity is always a difficult subject and we tend to get biased easily. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Sivaprakasam <sivaprakasamkpmwrote: > > > Namaste Krishna Ji, > > What you wrote in your message are very relevent and that are to be kept in > mind when examining Jupiter in this chart. In fact, I took them into > consideration when I analysed the chart in the first week of March this > year. Still, I feel, it eludes when it comes to the question of longevity. > > With regards, > Sivaprakasam > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > > > Dear Sivaprakasam, > > > > Sorry to note the untimely demise of your friend's brother. May his soul > rest in peace. > > > > Just to add a note on Jupiter - please note that Jupiter is the lord of > 64th navamsha and is debilitated in Navamsha. Jupiter is also disposited by > the lord of 22nd drekkana, Mercury. Jupiter is in the nakshatra of a Maraka, > Sun the lord of 2H in Rasi. Also occupies the navamsha of the other Maraka > Saturn. I guess all this makes Jupiter highly potent to kill. > > > > The lagna lord Moon joins this debilitated Jupiter in Navamsha. The LL > Moon is already very weak being in Rasi Sandhi and being terribly combust. > > > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Namaste Wendy Ji, Yes. The transits were intact. The rules of Parashara are unfailing. Mrs. Wendy, I hope you would permit me to write a line over here the technique of Jaimini. (I know this is not the place to talk about that system. In this particular case, I wish to write a line). The native was enjoying the rasi dashas of Aquarius/Leo. The Jaimini Atma Karaka was Venus. Aquarius is the rasi which falls in 12th from AK. From Leo, the AK is placed in 8th house. Mr. Jai has raised the issue of predicting one's longevity and the ethics attached with it after I posted the information relating to the demise of the Native. In fact, the Native himself wanted to know his end since he was not able to bear the severe pain, undergoing the trauma of visiting the hospital and the regular checkups and replying the queries of his well wishers every time what is happening with him. He wanted to settle some mundane issues before his demise towards his family. His reasons for knowing his end is fully justified from his angle. A sincere astrologer resorts to all techniques which are available at his disposal under such circumstances. Still, no astrologer wants to tell the bare truth to the consulting individuals. I am not a professional astrologer. Astrology is a way of life for me. It is not business. I always evade the question of longevity. I did not wish to tell my friend the exact time of the fatality though I come to a conclusion convincingly. It is very painful to say when a person is going to decease. Further, I write this here because the rules of our sages are working brilliantly if they are employed properly. In my personal view, the techniques which are related to longevity and used very sparingly under certain demanding occasions. Even in the instant case, knowing fully well the doctors have lost their hope, my friend asked me the simple question whether I see any improvement in his condition and not the time of death since the chart was examined last during Rahu/Mars. One should invariably see the longevity segment (alpayu, madyayu and poornayu) before giving the long term predictions or otherwise it would be ridiculous if one goes on predicting raja yogas at the age of 58 and the native is to die at the age of 33. To night, I am traveling to Chennai due to some other business but certainly I would visit the bereaved family and convey the sympathies of the learned members of this forum. With regards, Sivaprakasam jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Sivaprakasam, > > My last post: > ///just came online quickly to check times of Mass for tomorrow/// > Just as well I did as there is no Mass on Good Friday. Instead it's a day of prayer and fasting. My memory, in regards to normal everyday things, really is failing...should have remembered that! I'd have looked a proper idiot if I was the only one turning up for Mass. > > You Wrote: > ///Just now, I have received the news from my friend over telephone, the Native (younger brother of my friend) passed away on 30th March 2010 around 1400 hours in Chennai. The cremation took place yesterday i.e. on 31st March 2010. He was suffering from Cancer. He was suffering from intense pain. Cancer was deducted during Rahu/Mars/Moon. His kidney and liver were damaged extensively during the period of Jup/Jup. The 6th lord is retrograde and is in the 3rd house with a malefic. The Jupiter receives the aspect of an exalted planet, which is a natural benefic, from the 9th house (divine help) from lagna./// > > So very young! If I've got my math's right he was yet to turn 40...very sad for his loved ones to face such a loss! > > ///I was not able to decide which sub-period was fatal for the native whether Jup/Jup or Jup/Sat. It is the period of 6th lord (Jup) from Lagna. It is the period of 8th lord (Jup) from Moon. Jupiter/Saturn is the major period of 6th and sub period of 8th lord. Dhanur is the moolatrikona rasi of Jupiter. Kumbha is the moolatrikona rasi of Saturn. It is a general rule, during a sub-period, the moolatrikona rasi of a planet takes precedence in giving results than that of the other rasi if the planet owns two houses in a chart./// > > The transit chart really does show the native's passing quite clearly. The native was running dasa of JU-JU-MO-SA and, at the time (and place) of death, lagnesh Moon conjunct 8th lord Saturn, was transiting Jupiter in 3rd house (cause of one's own death) whilst Jupiter was transiting 8th...without question, the transit chart is a most important tool for timing events! > > Condolences to your friend and his family, and a blessed repose for the departed. > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Namaste Sheevani Ji, > As I didnt know the circumstances, I didnt particularly look for this event given his age. > No issues. I understand. We learn by our mistakes. With regards, Sivaprakasam jyotish-vidya , " Sheevani " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear Sivaprakasam ji, > > Namaste. > > I am deeply sadden by the event. Please accept my condolences for the loss of your friends younger brother. > > As I didnt know the circumstances, I didnt particularly look for this event given his age. > > warmest regards > Sheevani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Dear Sivaprakasam, ///Mrs. Wendy, I hope you would permit me to write a line over here the technique of Jaimini. (I know this is not the place to talk about that system. In this particular case, I wish to write a line). The native was enjoying the rasi dashas of Aquarius/Leo. The Jaimini Atma Karaka was Venus. Aquarius is the rasi which falls in 12th from AK. From Leo, the AK is placed in 8th house./// It's a welcome change to see someone actually apply Jaimini techniques in conjunction with Jaimini dasa. What has been happening for so long, and still is I'm afraid, is the mix and match method of applying Jaimini techniques in conjunction with vimsottari dasa. etc, etc...which inevitably ends up as one almighty confusion of contradictions. Of course, Parashara's vimsottari dasa system, deemed to be the most relevant for this day and age, is what I try to promote here on JV. Your comments none-the-less are not out of place as you've used the Jaimini system in the correct manner which I hope members will take note of. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== Sivaprakasam Friday, April 02, 2010 7:37 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Interpreting the antardasas Namaste Wendy Ji, Yes. The transits were intact. The rules of Parashara are unfailing. Mrs. Wendy, I hope you would permit me to write a line over here the technique of Jaimini. (I know this is not the place to talk about that system. In this particular case, I wish to write a line). The native was enjoying the rasi dashas of Aquarius/Leo. The Jaimini Atma Karaka was Venus. Aquarius is the rasi which falls in 12th from AK. From Leo, the AK is placed in 8th house. Mr. Jai has raised the issue of predicting one's longevity and the ethics attached with it after I posted the information relating to the demise of the Native. In fact, the Native himself wanted to know his end since he was not able to bear the severe pain, undergoing the trauma of visiting the hospital and the regular checkups and replying the queries of his well wishers every time what is happening with him. He wanted to settle some mundane issues before his demise towards his family. His reasons for knowing his end is fully justified from his angle. A sincere astrologer resorts to all techniques which are available at his disposal under such circumstances. Still, no astrologer wants to tell the bare truth to the consulting individuals. I am not a professional astrologer. Astrology is a way of life for me. It is not business. I always evade the question of longevity. I did not wish to tell my friend the exact time of the fatality though I come to a conclusion convincingly. It is very painful to say when a person is going to decease. Further, I write this here because the rules of our sages are working brilliantly if they are employed properly. In my personal view, the techniques which are related to longevity and used very sparingly under certain demanding occasions. Even in the instant case, knowing fully well the doctors have lost their hope, my friend asked me the simple question whether I see any improvement in his condition and not the time of death since the chart was examined last during Rahu/Mars. One should invariably see the longevity segment (alpayu, madyayu and poornayu) before giving the long term predictions or otherwise it would be ridiculous if one goes on predicting raja yogas at the age of 58 and the native is to die at the age of 33. To night, I am traveling to Chennai due to some other business but certainly I would visit the bereaved family and convey the sympathies of the learned members of this forum. With regards, Sivaprakasam __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4994 (20100402) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Dear Shri Gopi Ji. An interesting way of discussions about jupiter,saturn and mercury along with aspects. Infact Astrologers may hold views as benific,malefic etc.All planets based on transit do goos and promote human beings wishes.It is only we need to strengthen lagna every day for every aspect of life to deal future.I know my moon in capricorn in 2nd is debilitated.But prepare always a 2nd idea too in case of emergency to over come problems.Of all Almighty and prayers are always blessings apart serious concern of jyotish aspects. 1.//when moon is aspd by both jup and sat the natives are well balanced//.while saying so as " balanced " from jyotish perspective we may not really assess this issue unless from the point of view asdt,house in moon located and the other two slow moving planets are posited. In fact if jupiter and saturn are glancing through 7th aspect on moon in debilitation,(scorpio) certainly the balance in personal will be The native perahps may try to over look problems and get deviated. 2.//where normal VD does not work//Probably VD is not at fault in such case.In case AStrologers finds such a situation,he needs to apply other parameters by linking with transit and also laying stress on dasa lords strength and position in relevent divisional chart like D/3 or D/7 as the case may be. 3.In Jyotish ,longevity has been dealt in detail to know well about:Alpa Ayu,Madhya Ayu and Poorna Ayu stages. Also how Maraks cause problems for the native in MD/AD/PD/SD.This apart,the importance of transit too needs consideration. An event like death if involved,the Astrologers give word of caution and emphasise on remedial aspects. Destiny of course has it's role but it's impact subject to one's concern of Karmas,any human being may be able to negotiate destiny with out serious consequences. This is what Astrologers can do to society is to guide by way of indications.In case dasa of marak dasa is involved a word of caution with likely impact likely to go long way in helping the individual.Possible the Individual may not take the advice seriously and yet time he is so grossly involved to over come situation by way of his action or improving his lot. being a sagittarus Ascdt with lagna raising in sun's nakshtra of u.ashadha 1st and lagna lord in 11th in libra,God is kind might not be balanced.yet given us recognition,honour and blessed good sttled children. yet other material issues like having a own became dreaded ,extensive in and out country and rela escape from near death situations couple of times. The life is organised to trust the super power and enhance the level of confidence to deal several complex sitautions. Most of the dasas commencing from sun gave improved confidence along with changes in attitudes and regard towards others.'Help thy neighbour " I can say is the essence of life to improve once own lot as we r never alone in the life. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 4/2/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: Interpreting the antardasas To: jyotish-vidya Friday, April 2, 2010, 2:45 AM  Dear Sheevani ji, Namasthe. //Indeed the human mind is a very complex yet facinating subject.// you are right.That's why sages wanted us to study the chart from moon aswell.Specially the vimsottari dasa is designed basing upon moon only and in this kaliyug VD works much better than any other dasas it was also said.Humans live more in mind than in body in kaliyug.The sages have foreseen this and designed VD accordingly. Few days ago when i posted something on these lines,i was thinking about the mind(probably) .When Mrs wendy asked me something about the context of the post i could not recolect and express my thoughts.That' s why mind is both complex and fascinating and some times dangerous aswell.Excessive imagination specially when moon is highly aflicted is what i mean!!.. I have also found in many charts when moon is aspd by both jup and sat the natives are well balanced.I have also seen in a few charts where normal VD does not work.In such cases individuals concerned are not living in their minds but in their bodies/SOULS. ........probably !!! Warmest regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > Namaste. > > Indeed the human mind is a very complex yet facinating subject. > > It gives insight to the qualities of mercury and jupiter. A good mercury gives excellent communication skills, ability to gather and comprehend knowledge/informati on but to organise this information you need the administrative skills of a good strong jupiter. Only then you are able to apply the right information correctly and consistently. > > One has to be observant and try to understand how jupiter behaves in saggitarius lagna, pisces lagna and cancer lagna, there will be similarities yet there are differences. It is understanding these differences, that will sharpen your astrological skills. Similarly you can see the difference of jupiter in same sign in lagna, say cancer, due to the nakshatra it is placed in, punarvasu, pushya or asleesha. > > With experience, it all seem so simple, but to a novice, all this information is still in the hands of mercury,, and not been processed and sorted by jupiter, hence the difficulty in application. > > I too need the blessings of my jupiter for there is still too much mercury in me. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > jyotish-vidya, " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > // " to err is human " and i did apologise for any ommisions.// > > to err is human mind!!Apology is also needed according to me since you > > are apologising to another human mind!!.. > > // I too struggled initially to get a method that was logical and > > worked.// > > Method should be both logical and astrological i suppose.. > > both you and Veejai ji are right since both of you are telling the same > > thing in your own way that Neelesh ji also have to struggle and find his > > own way!!!!....That' s why jyotish(science of light) is great. > > Regards, > > gopi. > > > > jyotish-vidya, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vejai-Ji, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I have not disagreeed with you, If you read carefully I have covered > > all things you mention except for taking the bhavas from moon.. > > > > > > After all " to err is human " and i did apologise for any ommisions. > > > > > > I suggest to Nilesh to look at the generic phal given by parashara and > > compare the chart taking into account factors that can influence or > > change outcome. > > > > > > I also said this works for me, and every person has his own ways and i > > respect that. > > > > > > I am not teaching here, just sharing my own experience as I too > > struggled initially to get a method that was logical and worked. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Vejai S astrovejai@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear sheevani , Nilesh ji nad al group member ,, > > > >  > > > > according to me ,, there in no thumb rule in antar dasha > > prediction as such ,, > > > > we have to take various other thing into consideration to know that > > shani antarshasa in sun dasha is good or bad ,, it also too depend upon > > the following > > > >  > > > > 1) which house the plant belong from the moon > > > > 2) which house the panet belong in the ruling dasha planet > > > > 3) in whose nakshastra the shani or surya is present,, > > > > 4) the degree of planet > > > > 5) whats it position in niryan bhav chalit nad bhav chalit ,, > > > >  > > > > if ther is any thumb rule than ,, any body could say ,, ur having > > shani under surya ,, so be prepare for hardship ,, many thing had to be > > taken under consideration before making prediction accoringf to me ,, > > > >  > > > > rgds > > > > Vejai > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/3/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > Re: Interpreting the antardasas > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010, 10:41 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nilesh ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Parashara has given outcomes of dashas and antradashas in BPHS > > chapter 52 onwards. > > > > > > > > Here the placement of antradasha lord with respect to Mahadasha lord > > is taken into consideration as well as the bhava placement of the > > mahadasha/antradash a in the natal chart. The relationship of the > > mahadasha lord and the antradasha lord is also considered. as naturally > > if it is friendly, some positive outcomes can be expected, and vice > > versa. > > > > > > > > Shani's antradasha in sun mahadasha is generally better than sun > > antradasha in shani's mahadasha.. please reflect on this!!! > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " niljoshi27 " <niljoshi27@ > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > How are antardasa's in a dasa period analyzed? > > > > > > > > > > The reason for this question is the fact that certain antardasa's > > are always considered bad , for e.g Saturn's antardasa in Sun Dasa or > > > > > Rahu in Moon etc. > > > > > > > > > > Can such periods be good based on the placement of the planets. > > > > > Do we look at the relationship of the planets concerned, > > > > > the relative placement wrt each other, (9th /5th from each > > other,4th/10th from each other etc) > > > > > innate strength of the planets? > > > > > > > > > > What else do we look at ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > Nilesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Dear Sri Vattem Krishnan ji, Namasthe. /I know my moon in capricorn in 2nd is debilitated.But prepare always a 2nd idea too .../ Sorry i did not get this debilitation properly but 2nd idea yes moon in 2nd certainly gives that too in mutual asp with 9L/2L aswell.2nd idea could be a success due to 11L ven' presence.... // " balanced " from jyotish perspective we may not really assess this issue unless from the point of view asdt,house in moon located and the other two slow moving planets are posited.// yes. " balanced " is just a general over all observation. //where normal VD does not work//Probably VD is not at fault in such case.In case AStrologers finds such a situation,he needs to apply other parameters by linking with transit and also laying stress on dasa lords strength and position inrelevent divisional chart like D/3 or D/7 as the case may be.// yes.I did not say VD is at fault and it is not.Normal VD as we know is from Mo's star but if we take lagna degrees instead of moon the same VD works better in such cases.Ofcourse transits and D-charts are also to be seen likewise. //The life is organised to trust the super power and enhance the level of confidence to deal several complex sitautions.// that's good and also that's how it should be. //Most of the dasas commencing from sun gave improved confidence along with changes in attitudes and regard towards others.'Help thy neighbour " // thats because of 9th lord's grace showering on moon and 2nd house......probably Love and regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Gopi Ji. > An interesting way of discussions about jupiter,saturn and mercury along with aspects. > Infact Astrologers may hold views as benific,malefic etc.All planets based on transit do goos and promote human beings wishes.It is only we need to strengthen lagna every day for every aspect of life to deal future.I know my moon in capricorn in 2nd is debilitated.But prepare always a 2nd idea too in case of emergency to over come problems.Of all Almighty and prayers are always blessings apart serious concern of jyotish aspects. > 1.//when moon is aspd by both jup and sat the natives are well balanced//.while saying so as " balanced " from jyotish perspective we may not really assess this issue unless from the point of view asdt,house in moon located and the other two slow moving planets are posited. > In fact if jupiter and saturn are glancing through 7th aspect on moon in debilitation,(scorpio) certainly the balance in personal will be The native perahps may try to over look problems and get deviated. > 2.//where normal VD does not work//Probably VD is not at fault in such case.In case AStrologers finds such a situation,he needs to apply other parameters by linking with transit and also laying stress on dasa lords strength and position in > relevent divisional chart like D/3 or D/7 as the case may be. > 3.In Jyotish ,longevity has been dealt in detail to know well about:Alpa Ayu,Madhya Ayu and Poorna Ayu stages. > Also how Maraks cause problems for the native in MD/AD/PD/SD.This apart,the importance of transit too needs consideration. > An event like death if involved,the Astrologers give word of caution and emphasise on remedial aspects. > Destiny of course has it's role but it's impact subject to one's concern of Karmas,any human being may be able to negotiate destiny with out serious consequences. > This is what Astrologers can do to society is to guide by way of indications.In case dasa of marak dasa is involved a word of caution with likely impact likely to go long way in helping the individual.Possible the Individual may not take the advice seriously and yet time he is so grossly involved to over come situation by way of his action or improving his lot. > being a sagittarus Ascdt with lagna raising in sun's nakshtra of u.ashadha 1st and lagna lord in 11th in libra,God is kind might not be balanced.yet given us recognition,honour and blessed good sttled children. > yet other material issues like having a own became dreaded ,extensive in and out country and rela escape from near death situations couple of times. > The life is organised to trust the super power and enhance the level of confidence to deal several complex sitautions. > Most of the dasas commencing from sun gave improved confidence along with changes in attitudes and regard towards others.'Help thy neighbour " > I can say is the essence of life to improve once own lot as we r never alone in the life. > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > Re: Interpreting the antardasas > To: > jyotish-vidya > Friday, April 2, 2010, 2:45 AM >  > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > Namasthe. > > //Indeed the human mind is a very complex yet facinating subject.// > > you are right.That's why sages wanted us to study the chart > > from moon aswell.Specially the vimsottari dasa is designed basing upon > > moon only and in this kaliyug VD works much better than any other dasas > > it was also said.Humans live more in mind than in body in kaliyug.The > > sages have foreseen this and designed VD accordingly. > > Few days ago when i posted something on these lines,i was thinking about > > the mind(probably) .When Mrs wendy asked me something about the context > > of the post i could not recolect and express my thoughts.That' s why mind > > is both complex and fascinating and some times dangerous > > aswell.Excessive imagination specially when moon is highly aflicted is > > what i mean!!.. > > I have also found in many charts when moon is aspd by both jup and sat > > the natives are well balanced.I have also seen in a few charts where > > normal VD does not work.In such cases individuals concerned are not > > living in their minds but in their bodies/SOULS. ........probably !!! > > Warmest regards, > > gopi. > > jyotish-vidya, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > Indeed the human mind is a very complex yet facinating subject. > > > > > > It gives insight to the qualities of mercury and jupiter. A good > > mercury gives excellent communication skills, ability to gather and > > comprehend knowledge/informati on but to organise this information you > > need the administrative skills of a good strong jupiter. Only then you > > are able to apply the right information correctly and consistently. > > > > > > One has to be observant and try to understand how jupiter behaves in > > saggitarius lagna, pisces lagna and cancer lagna, there will be > > similarities yet there are differences. It is understanding these > > differences, that will sharpen your astrological skills. Similarly you > > can see the difference of jupiter in same sign in lagna, say cancer, due > > to the nakshatra it is placed in, punarvasu, pushya or asleesha. > > > > > > With experience, it all seem so simple, but to a novice, all this > > information is still in the hands of mercury,, and not been processed > > and sorted by jupiter, hence the difficulty in application. > > > > > > I too need the blessings of my jupiter for there is still too much > > mercury in me. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > > > // " to err is human " and i did apologise for any ommisions.// > > > > to err is human mind!!Apology is also needed according to me since > > you > > > > are apologising to another human mind!!.. > > > > // I too struggled initially to get a method that was logical and > > > > worked.// > > > > Method should be both logical and astrological i suppose.. > > > > both you and Veejai ji are right since both of you are telling the > > same > > > > thing in your own way that Neelesh ji also have to struggle and find > > his > > > > own way!!!!....That' s why jyotish(science of light) is great. > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vejai-Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I have not disagreeed with you, If you read carefully I have > > covered > > > > all things you mention except for taking the bhavas from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > After all " to err is human " and i did apologise for any ommisions. > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to Nilesh to look at the generic phal given by parashara > > and > > > > compare the chart taking into account factors that can influence or > > > > change outcome. > > > > > > > > > > I also said this works for me, and every person has his own ways > > and i > > > > respect that. > > > > > > > > > > I am not teaching here, just sharing my own experience as I too > > > > struggled initially to get a method that was logical and worked. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Vejai S astrovejai@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sheevani , Nilesh ji nad al group member ,, > > > > > >  > > > > > > according to me ,, there in no thumb rule in antar dasha > > > > prediction as such ,, > > > > > > we have to take various other thing into consideration to know > > that > > > > shani antarshasa in sun dasha is good or bad ,, it also too depend > > upon > > > > the following > > > > > >  > > > > > > 1) which house the plant belong from the moon > > > > > > 2) which house the panet belong in the ruling dasha planet > > > > > > 3) in whose nakshastra the shani or surya is present,, > > > > > > 4) the degree of planet > > > > > > 5) whats it position in niryan bhav chalit nad bhav chalit ,, > > > > > >  > > > > > > if ther is any thumb rule than ,, any body could say ,, ur > > having > > > > shani under surya ,, so be prepare for hardship ,, many thing had to > > be > > > > taken under consideration before making prediction accoringf to me > > ,, > > > > > >  > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > Vejai > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/3/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > > > Re: Interpreting the antardasas > > > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010, 10:41 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nilesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara has given outcomes of dashas and antradashas in BPHS > > > > chapter 52 onwards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here the placement of antradasha lord with respect to Mahadasha > > lord > > > > is taken into consideration as well as the bhava placement of the > > > > mahadasha/antradash a in the natal chart. The relationship of the > > > > mahadasha lord and the antradasha lord is also considered. as > > naturally > > > > if it is friendly, some positive outcomes can be expected, and vice > > > > versa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani's antradasha in sun mahadasha is generally better than sun > > > > antradasha in shani's mahadasha.. please reflect on this!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " niljoshi27 " > > <niljoshi27@ > > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How are antardasa's in a dasa period analyzed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason for this question is the fact that certain > > antardasa's > > > > are always considered bad , for e.g Saturn's antardasa in Sun Dasa > > or > > > > > > > Rahu in Moon etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can such periods be good based on the placement of the > > planets. > > > > > > > Do we look at the relationship of the planets concerned, > > > > > > > the relative placement wrt each other, (9th /5th from each > > > > other,4th/10th from each other etc) > > > > > > > innate strength of the planets? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What else do we look at ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nilesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Dear Shri Gopi Ji, YOur comments took my memories back to a seminar in which President ICAS was there along with several other speakers. I was speaking on at that time about role of planets in makng life.Justice Kapooer instantly said moon in 2nd in capricorn always keeps you in 2nd to none.2nd lord saturn is in 8th along with Venus as well Sun..In fact all such kind of situations have no logic .Even in the case of //2nd idea yes moon in 2nd certainly gives that too in mutual asp with 9L/2L aswell.2nd ideacould be a success due to 11L ven' presence..//.. was not right.Some times a sense prevails that the situation most likely would be " " such and succh " but may not speak out and tell it.It is the same which really occurs. Moon in 2nd normally does not give consisitency in life.Sun in 8th as lord of 9th never keep you near to your parents and in comforts. regards Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sat, 4/3/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: Interpreting the antardasas jyotish-vidya Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:22 AM  Dear Sri Vattem Krishnan ji, Namasthe. /I know my moon in capricorn in 2nd is debilitated. But prepare always a 2nd idea too .../ Sorry i did not get this debilitation properly but 2nd idea yes moon in 2nd certainly gives that too in mutual asp with 9L/2L aswell.2nd idea could be a success due to 11L ven' presence.... // " balanced " from jyotish perspective we may not really assess this issue unless from the point of view asdt,house in moon located and the other two slow moving planets are posited.// yes. " balanced " is just a general over all observation. //where normal VD does not work//Probably VD is not at fault in such case.In case AStrologers finds such a situation,he needs to apply other parameters by linking with transit and also laying stress on dasa lords strength and position inrelevent divisional chart like D/3 or D/7 as the case may be.// yes.I did not say VD is at fault and it is not.Normal VD as we know is from Mo's star but if we take lagna degrees instead of moon the same VD works better in such cases.Ofcourse transits and D-charts are also to be seen likewise. //The life is organised to trust the super power and enhance the level of confidence to deal several complex sitautions./ / that's good and also that's how it should be. //Most of the dasas commencing from sun gave improved confidence along with changes in attitudes and regard towards others.'Help thy neighbour " // thats because of 9th lord's grace showering on moon and 2nd house......probably Love and regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Gopi Ji. > An interesting way of discussions about jupiter,saturn and mercury along with aspects. > Infact Astrologers may hold views as benific,malefic etc.All planets based on transit do goos and promote human beings wishes.It is only we need to strengthen lagna every day for every aspect of life to deal future.I know my moon in capricorn in 2nd is debilitated. But prepare always a 2nd idea too in case of emergency to over come problems.Of all Almighty and prayers are always blessings apart serious concern of jyotish aspects. > 1.//when moon is aspd by both jup and sat the natives are well balanced//.while saying so as " balanced " from jyotish perspective we may not really assess this issue unless from the point of view asdt,house in moon located and the other two slow moving planets are posited. > In fact if jupiter and saturn are glancing through 7th aspect on moon in debilitation, (scorpio) certainly the balance in personal will be The native perahps may try to over look problems and get deviated. > 2.//where normal VD does not work//Probably VD is not at fault in such case.In case AStrologers finds such a situation,he needs to apply other parameters by linking with transit and also laying stress on dasa lords strength and position in > relevent divisional chart like D/3 or D/7 as the case may be. > 3.In Jyotish ,longevity has been dealt in detail to know well about:Alpa Ayu,Madhya Ayu and Poorna Ayu stages. > Also how Maraks cause problems for the native in MD/AD/PD/SD. This apart,the importance of transit too needs consideration. > An event like death if involved,the Astrologers give word of caution and emphasise on remedial aspects. > Destiny of course has it's role but it's impact subject to one's concern of Karmas,any human being may be able to negotiate destiny with out serious consequences. > This is what Astrologers can do to society is to guide by way of indications. In case dasa of marak dasa is involved a word of caution with likely impact likely to go long way in helping the individual.Possible the Individual may not take the advice seriously and yet time he is so grossly involved to over come situation by way of his action or improving his lot. > being a sagittarus Ascdt with lagna raising in sun's nakshtra of u.ashadha 1st and lagna lord in 11th in libra,God is kind might not be balanced.yet given us recognition, honour and blessed good sttled children. > yet other material issues like having a own became dreaded ,extensive in and out country and rela escape from near death situations couple of times. > The life is organised to trust the super power and enhance the level of confidence to deal several complex sitautions. > Most of the dasas commencing from sun gave improved confidence along with changes in attitudes and regard towards others.'Help thy neighbour " > I can say is the essence of life to improve once own lot as we r never alone in the life. > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@.. . wrote: > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@.. . > Re: Interpreting the antardasas > To: > jyotish-vidya > Friday, April 2, 2010, 2:45 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > Namasthe. > > //Indeed the human mind is a very complex yet facinating subject.// > > you are right.That's why sages wanted us to study the chart > > from moon aswell.Specially the vimsottari dasa is designed basing upon > > moon only and in this kaliyug VD works much better than any other dasas > > it was also said.Humans live more in mind than in body in kaliyug.The > > sages have foreseen this and designed VD accordingly. > > Few days ago when i posted something on these lines,i was thinking about > > the mind(probably) .When Mrs wendy asked me something about the context > > of the post i could not recolect and express my thoughts.That' s why mind > > is both complex and fascinating and some times dangerous > > aswell.Excessive imagination specially when moon is highly aflicted is > > what i mean!!.. > > I have also found in many charts when moon is aspd by both jup and sat > > the natives are well balanced.I have also seen in a few charts where > > normal VD does not work.In such cases individuals concerned are not > > living in their minds but in their bodies/SOULS. ........probably !!! > > Warmest regards, > > gopi. > > jyotish-vidya, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > Indeed the human mind is a very complex yet facinating subject. > > > > > > It gives insight to the qualities of mercury and jupiter. A good > > mercury gives excellent communication skills, ability to gather and > > comprehend knowledge/informati on but to organise this information you > > need the administrative skills of a good strong jupiter. Only then you > > are able to apply the right information correctly and consistently. > > > > > > One has to be observant and try to understand how jupiter behaves in > > saggitarius lagna, pisces lagna and cancer lagna, there will be > > similarities yet there are differences. It is understanding these > > differences, that will sharpen your astrological skills. Similarly you > > can see the difference of jupiter in same sign in lagna, say cancer, due > > to the nakshatra it is placed in, punarvasu, pushya or asleesha. > > > > > > With experience, it all seem so simple, but to a novice, all this > > information is still in the hands of mercury,, and not been processed > > and sorted by jupiter, hence the difficulty in application. > > > > > > I too need the blessings of my jupiter for there is still too much > > mercury in me. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > > > // " to err is human " and i did apologise for any ommisions.// > > > > to err is human mind!!Apology is also needed according to me since > > you > > > > are apologising to another human mind!!.. > > > > // I too struggled initially to get a method that was logical and > > > > worked.// > > > > Method should be both logical and astrological i suppose.. > > > > both you and Veejai ji are right since both of you are telling the > > same > > > > thing in your own way that Neelesh ji also have to struggle and find > > his > > > > own way!!!!....That' s why jyotish(science of light) is great. > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vejai-Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I have not disagreeed with you, If you read carefully I have > > covered > > > > all things you mention except for taking the bhavas from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > After all " to err is human " and i did apologise for any ommisions. > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to Nilesh to look at the generic phal given by parashara > > and > > > > compare the chart taking into account factors that can influence or > > > > change outcome. > > > > > > > > > > I also said this works for me, and every person has his own ways > > and i > > > > respect that. > > > > > > > > > > I am not teaching here, just sharing my own experience as I too > > > > struggled initially to get a method that was logical and worked. > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Vejai S astrovejai@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sheevani , Nilesh ji nad al group member ,, > > > > > >  > > > > > > according to me ,, there in no thumb rule in antar dasha > > > > prediction as such ,, > > > > > > we have to take various other thing into consideration to know > > that > > > > shani antarshasa in sun dasha is good or bad ,, it also too depend > > upon > > > > the following > > > > > >  > > > > > > 1) which house the plant belong from the moon > > > > > > 2) which house the panet belong in the ruling dasha planet > > > > > > 3) in whose nakshastra the shani or surya is present,, > > > > > > 4) the degree of planet > > > > > > 5) whats it position in niryan bhav chalit nad bhav chalit ,, > > > > > >  > > > > > > if ther is any thumb rule than ,, any body could say ,, ur > > having > > > > shani under surya ,, so be prepare for hardship ,, many thing had to > > be > > > > taken under consideration before making prediction accoringf to me > > ,, > > > > > >  > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > Vejai > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/3/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > > > Re: Interpreting the antardasas > > > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010, 10:41 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nilesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara has given outcomes of dashas and antradashas in BPHS > > > > chapter 52 onwards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here the placement of antradasha lord with respect to Mahadasha > > lord > > > > is taken into consideration as well as the bhava placement of the > > > > mahadasha/antradash a in the natal chart. The relationship of the > > > > mahadasha lord and the antradasha lord is also considered. as > > naturally > > > > if it is friendly, some positive outcomes can be expected, and vice > > > > versa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani's antradasha in sun mahadasha is generally better than sun > > > > antradasha in shani's mahadasha.. please reflect on this!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " niljoshi27 " > > <niljoshi27@ > > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How are antardasa's in a dasa period analyzed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason for this question is the fact that certain > > antardasa's > > > > are always considered bad , for e.g Saturn's antardasa in Sun Dasa > > or > > > > > > > Rahu in Moon etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can such periods be good based on the placement of the > > planets. > > > > > > > Do we look at the relationship of the planets concerned, > > > > > > > the relative placement wrt each other, (9th /5th from each > > > > other,4th/10th from each other etc) > > > > > > > innate strength of the planets? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What else do we look at ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nilesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Dear Mrs Wendy, Namaskar... In response to Siva's post you wrote // It's said that the full effects of a dasa do not (generally) fructify during its own bhukti...../// I have read in the classics that a planet during its Mahadasa does not give its own results during its own antardasa......But it is not specified that whose results (which planet's result ) will fructify......Could you please elaborate/clarify this point for my understanding and for the benefit of the group.... Regards ... RRSR Man is a creater of his own destiny by his Karma. - Mrs.Wendy jyotish-vidya Thursday, April 01, 2010 08:39 PM Re: Re: Interpreting the antardasas Dear Sheevani,Sivaprakasam, and All, I just came online quickly to check times of Mass for tomorrow (at my local church) and saw this conversation which I'd like to respond to quickly, if I may... Firstly, I feel that this chart has been put forward as a (possible) study topic and not a request for a personal reading. So, if members are inclined, it might be useful for study. Sivaprakasam Wrote: ///Jupiter is weak in shadbala, in mrityu avastha and dukhita, hence unable to deliver full benefic results. So native feels a lack of satisfaction as results are not up to his expectations./// It's said that the full effects of a dasa do not (generally) fructify during its own bhukti...i.e. results not up to expectations. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== Sheevani Thursday, April 01, 2010 9:07 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Interpreting the antardasas Dear Sivaprakasam ji, Namaste. Please forgive me but the giving of reading is not encouraged in this forum. As you asked for guidance I can only highlight factors to consider. Jupiter-Jupiter period started from Aug 2008- Oct 2010 Jupiter owns 6H,9H and is placed in 3H, so these houses will be benefitted most during this period, with 9H more so as jupiter is aspecting it. Condition of Jupiter.. Placed in 3h, enemy rasi, nak krittika(friendly sun nakshatra),aspecting 7H,9H and 11H. Aspected by exalted venus and rahu from 9H and conjuct ketu (mixed malefic and benefic effects) Jupiter is weak in shadbala, in mrityu avastha and dukhita, hence unable to deliver full benefic results. So native feels a lack of satisfaction as results are not up to his expectations. Looking at transits over this period, jupiter was in shani rashi's mainly, makara 7H(jup deb) and kumbh(8H) and shani in chart is deb in 10H. Shani meanwhile was transiting 2 and 3H during this period.Shani transit in 3h, will increse desire to improve material gains. Overall I feel this person wouldnt have made much change in his situations. Financal gains were ofset with increased expenses etc but this person would gain in spiritual/religious activities. The period after May 2010 will see some improvement in material and spiritual gains when jupiter transits to pisces. warmest regards Sheevani jyotish-vidya , Sivaprakasam KPM <sivaprakasamkpm wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > After some uneasiness in the Group, the role of dasha lords is being discussed. A learned member is mentioning about the role of Jupiter for different rising lagnas that seems to be quite interesting. If anybody is interested cast the chart for the data appended below, the dasha operating is Jup/Jup/Mo. The rising sign is Cancer with 18:38:41 and Moon being in Taurus 00:32:01. Jupiter is ruler of 6th and 9th houses placed in the 3rd house with a malefic. He is married and having two children, a boy and a girl. A good friend of mine brought the chart to me first week of this month; I was not able to give my opinion on this sub-period of Jupiter unequivocally. > > I would like to add that this message should not be taken as testing the skill of the members. The purpose of posting this message is simply to understand the role of Jupiter in this chart in general and his role as a subperiod lord in particular. > > Male > 16th May 1969 > > 11:20 hours > Arani, 12N40 79E17 > Tamilnadu, > India > > With regards, > Sivaprakasam __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4992 (20100401) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Dear RRSR, As we know, many of the slokas are short and to the point leaving us to draw our own conclusions. Unfortunately I'm unable to point to any scriptural reference right at this moment. But basically what we find is that if a particular dasa promises exceptionally good results such as success, fame, recognition etc., some good results may manifest from the outset but the intensity of the results expected are likely to occur after the first bhukti has run its course. As an example, Susan Boyle was catapulted to instant fame during dasa of SA-ME-SU-VE. Dasa lord Saturn in 8th (11th from 10th) is conjunct 10th lord Jupiter whilst both occupy nakshatra of Sun who occupies 10th house of career, name, fame, publicity etc.. Certainly dasa lord Saturn holds the promise of fame but this promise didn't come to fruition during the bhukti of Saturn himself. Ms.Boyle's horoscope can be seen here http://jyotishvidya.com/susan.htm Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== BPHS Ch.1 Only good will follow the teaching of this science to the students who are peacefully disposed, who honor the preceptors (and elders), who speak only truth and who are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly will it be to impart knowledge of this science to an unwilling student, to a heterodox, and to a crafty person. =================== RRS Riat Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:16 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Interpreting the antardasas Dear Mrs Wendy, Namaskar... In response to Siva's post you wrote // It's said that the full effects of a dasa do not (generally) fructify during its own bhukti...../// I have read in the classics that a planet during its Mahadasa does not give its own results during its own antardasa......But it is not specified that whose results (which planet's result ) will fructify......Could you please elaborate/clarify this point for my understanding and for the benefit of the group.... Regards ... RRSR Man is a creater of his own destiny by his Karma. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5002 (20100405) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Dear Mrs Wendy, Namaskar. Thank you for the pointer. I have learnt during my study of jyotish that the results of the dasha are not available in its own antardasa. If by any chance the results are available in the Mahadasa's own antardasa then the remaining bhuktis will be fruitless.I do not however have any supporting verse from the classics.....I have seen the chart of Susan and it beautifully explains the unfolding of the dasa results... Thank you for the same.... Regards as always.... RRSR Man is a creater of his own destiny by his Karma. - Mrs.Wendy jyotish-vidya Tuesday, April 06, 2010 08:31 AM Re: Re: Interpreting the antardasas Dear RRSR, As we know, many of the slokas are short and to the point leaving us to draw our own conclusions. Unfortunately I'm unable to point to any scriptural reference right at this moment. But basically what we find is that if a particular dasa promises exceptionally good results such as success, fame, recognition etc., some good results may manifest from the outset but the intensity of the results expected are likely to occur after the first bhukti has run its course. As an example, Susan Boyle was catapulted to instant fame during dasa of SA-ME-SU-VE. Dasa lord Saturn in 8th (11th from 10th) is conjunct 10th lord Jupiter whilst both occupy nakshatra of Sun who occupies 10th house of career, name, fame, publicity etc.. Certainly dasa lord Saturn holds the promise of fame but this promise didn't come to fruition during the bhukti of Saturn himself. Ms.Boyle's horoscope can be seen here http://jyotishvidya.com/susan.htm Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== BPHS Ch.1 Only good will follow the teaching of this science to the students who are peacefully disposed, who honor the preceptors (and elders), who speak only truth and who are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly will it be to impart knowledge of this science to an unwilling student, to a heterodox, and to a crafty person. =================== RRS Riat Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:16 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Interpreting the antardasas Dear Mrs Wendy, Namaskar... In response to Siva's post you wrote // It's said that the full effects of a dasa do not (generally) fructify during its own bhukti...../// I have read in the classics that a planet during its Mahadasa does not give its own results during its own antardasa......But it is not specified that whose results (which planet's result ) will fructify......Could you please elaborate/clarify this point for my understanding and for the benefit of the group.... Regards ... RRSR Man is a creater of his own destiny by his Karma. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5002 (20100405) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Dear Shree Krishnan ji, Sorry for the delayed response.My PC got crashed and i was off line for a week. //2nd idea yes moon in 2nd certainly gives that too in mutual asp with 9L/2L aswell.// i think you said that in your post and i simply seconded it. //Moon in 2nd normally does not give consisitency in life.Sun in 8th as lord of 9th never keep you near to your parents and in comforts.// i agree and and second it too.Moon in a movable sign too... Love and regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Gopi Ji, > YOur comments took my memories back to a seminar in which President ICAS was there along with several other speakers. > I was speaking on at that time about role of planets in makng life.Justice Kapooer instantly said moon in 2nd in capricorn always keeps you in 2nd to none.2nd lord saturn is in 8th along with Venus as well Sun..In fact all such kind of situations have no logic .Even in the case of //2nd idea yes moon in 2nd certainly gives that too in mutual asp with 9L/2L aswell.2nd ideacould be a success due to 11L ven' presence..//.. > was not right.Some times a sense prevails that the situation most likely would be " " such and succh " but may not speak out and tell it.It is the same which really occurs. > Moon in 2nd normally does not give consisitency in life.Sun in 8th as lord of 9th never keep you near to your parents and in comforts. > regards > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sat, 4/3/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > Re: Interpreting the antardasas > jyotish-vidya > Saturday, April 3, 2010, 9:22 AM >  > > > Dear Sri Vattem Krishnan ji, > > Namasthe. > > /I know my moon in capricorn in 2nd is debilitated. But > > prepare always a 2nd idea too .../ > > Sorry i did not get this debilitation properly but 2nd idea yes moon in > > 2nd certainly gives that too in mutual asp with 9L/2L aswell.2nd idea > > could be a success due to 11L ven' presence.... > > // " balanced " from jyotish perspective we may not really assess this issue > > unless from the point of view asdt,house in moon located and the other > > two slow moving planets are posited.// > > yes. " balanced " is just a general over all observation. > > //where normal VD does not work//Probably VD is not at fault in such > > case.In case AStrologers finds such a situation,he needs to apply other > > parameters by > > linking with transit and also laying stress on dasa lords strength and > > position inrelevent divisional chart like D/3 or D/7 as the case > > may be.// > > yes.I did not say VD is at fault and it is not.Normal VD as we > > > > know is from Mo's star but if we take lagna degrees instead > > > > of moon the same VD works better in such cases.Ofcourse > > > > transits and D-charts are also to be seen likewise. > > //The life is organised to trust the super power and enhance the level > > of confidence to deal several complex sitautions./ / > > that's good and also that's how it should be. > > //Most of the dasas commencing from sun gave improved > > > > confidence along with changes in attitudes and regard > > > > towards others.'Help thy neighbour " // > > thats because of 9th lord's grace showering on moon and > > 2nd house......probably > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > > > jyotish-vidya, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi Ji. > > > An interesting way of discussions about jupiter,saturn and mercury > > along with aspects. > > > Infact Astrologers may hold views as benific,malefic etc.All planets > > based on transit do goos and promote human beings wishes.It is only we > > need to strengthen lagna every day for every aspect of life to deal > > future.I know my moon in capricorn in 2nd is debilitated. But prepare > > always a 2nd idea too in case of emergency to over come problems.Of all > > Almighty and prayers are always blessings apart serious concern of > > jyotish aspects. > > > 1.//when moon is aspd by both jup and sat the natives are well > > balanced//.while saying so as " balanced " from jyotish perspective we may > > not really assess this issue unless from the point of view asdt,house in > > moon located and the other two slow moving planets are posited. > > > In fact if jupiter and saturn are glancing through 7th aspect on > > moon in debilitation, (scorpio) certainly the balance in personal will be > > The native perahps may try to over look problems and get deviated. > > > 2.//where normal VD does not work//Probably VD is not at fault in such > > case.In case AStrologers finds such a situation,he needs to apply other > > parameters by linking with transit and also laying stress on dasa lords > > strength and position in > > > relevent divisional chart like D/3 or D/7 as the case may be. > > > 3.In Jyotish ,longevity has been dealt in detail to know well > > about:Alpa Ayu,Madhya Ayu and Poorna Ayu stages. > > > Also how Maraks cause problems for the native in MD/AD/PD/SD. This > > apart,the importance of transit too needs consideration. > > > An event like death if involved,the Astrologers give word of caution > > and emphasise on remedial aspects. > > > Destiny of course has it's role but it's impact subject to one's > > concern of Karmas,any human being may be able to negotiate destiny with > > out serious consequences. > > > This is what Astrologers can do to society is to guide by way of > > indications. In case dasa of marak dasa is involved a word of caution > > with likely impact likely to go long way in helping the > > individual.Possible the Individual may not take the advice seriously and > > yet time he is so grossly involved to over come situation by way of his > > action or improving his lot. > > > being a sagittarus Ascdt with lagna raising in sun's nakshtra of > > u.ashadha 1st and lagna lord in 11th in libra,God is kind might not be > > balanced.yet given us recognition, honour and blessed good sttled > > children. > > > yet other material issues like having a own became dreaded ,extensive > > in and out country and rela escape from near death situations couple of > > times. > > > The life is organised to trust the super power and enhance the level > > of confidence to deal several complex sitautions. > > > Most of the dasas commencing from sun gave improved confidence along > > with changes in attitudes and regard towards others.'Help thy neighbour " > > > I can say is the essence of life to improve once own lot as we r never > > alone in the life. > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . wrote: > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > Re: Interpreting the antardasas > > > To: > > > jyotish-vidya > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 2:45 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > > > > > Namasthe. > > > > > > //Indeed the human mind is a very complex yet facinating subject.// > > > > > > you are right.That's why sages wanted us to study the chart > > > > > > from moon aswell.Specially the vimsottari dasa is designed basing upon > > > > > > moon only and in this kaliyug VD works much better than any other > > dasas > > > > > > it was also said.Humans live more in mind than in body in kaliyug.The > > > > > > sages have foreseen this and designed VD accordingly. > > > > > > Few days ago when i posted something on these lines,i was thinking > > about > > > > > > the mind(probably) .When Mrs wendy asked me something about the > > context > > > > > > of the post i could not recolect and express my thoughts.That' s why > > mind > > > > > > is both complex and fascinating and some times dangerous > > > > > > aswell.Excessive imagination specially when moon is highly aflicted is > > > > > > what i mean!!.. > > > > > > I have also found in many charts when moon is aspd by both jup and sat > > > > > > the natives are well balanced.I have also seen in a few charts where > > > > > > normal VD does not work.In such cases individuals concerned are not > > > > > > living in their minds but in their bodies/SOULS. ........probably !!! > > > > > > Warmest regards, > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ ....> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed the human mind is a very complex yet facinating subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It gives insight to the qualities of mercury and jupiter. A good > > > > > > mercury gives excellent communication skills, ability to gather and > > > > > > comprehend knowledge/informati on but to organise this information you > > > > > > need the administrative skills of a good strong jupiter. Only then you > > > > > > are able to apply the right information correctly and consistently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One has to be observant and try to understand how jupiter behaves in > > > > > > saggitarius lagna, pisces lagna and cancer lagna, there will be > > > > > > similarities yet there are differences. It is understanding these > > > > > > differences, that will sharpen your astrological skills. Similarly you > > > > > > can see the difference of jupiter in same sign in lagna, say cancer, > > due > > > > > > to the nakshatra it is placed in, punarvasu, pushya or asleesha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With experience, it all seem so simple, but to a novice, all this > > > > > > information is still in the hands of mercury,, and not been processed > > > > > > and sorted by jupiter, hence the difficulty in application. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I too need the blessings of my jupiter for there is still too much > > > > > > mercury in me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > > > > > > > // " to err is human " and i did apologise for any ommisions.// > > > > > > > > to err is human mind!!Apology is also needed according to me since > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are apologising to another human mind!!.. > > > > > > > > // I too struggled initially to get a method that was logical and > > > > > > > > worked.// > > > > > > > > Method should be both logical and astrological i suppose.. > > > > > > > > both you and Veejai ji are right since both of you are telling the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > thing in your own way that Neelesh ji also have to struggle and > > find > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > own way!!!!....That' s why jyotish(science of light) is great. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " Sheevani " <sheevani147@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vejai-Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not disagreeed with you, If you read carefully I have > > > > > > covered > > > > > > > > all things you mention except for taking the bhavas from moon.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all " to err is human " and i did apologise for any > > ommisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to Nilesh to look at the generic phal given by > > parashara > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > compare the chart taking into account factors that can influence > > or > > > > > > > > change outcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also said this works for me, and every person has his own ways > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > respect that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not teaching here, just sharing my own experience as I too > > > > > > > > struggled initially to get a method that was logical and worked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Vejai S astrovejai@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sheevani , Nilesh ji nad al group member ,, > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > according to me ,, there in no thumb rule in antar dasha > > > > > > > > prediction as such ,, > > > > > > > > > > we have to take various other thing into consideration to know > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > shani antarshasa in sun dasha is good or bad ,, it also too depend > > > > > > upon > > > > > > > > the following > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > 1) which house the plant belong from the moon > > > > > > > > > > 2) which house the panet belong in the ruling dasha planet > > > > > > > > > > 3) in whose nakshastra the shani or surya is present,, > > > > > > > > > > 4) the degree of planet > > > > > > > > > > 5) whats it position in niryan bhav chalit nad bhav chalit ,, > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > if ther is any thumb rule than ,, any body could say ,, ur > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > shani under surya ,, so be prepare for hardship ,, many thing had > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > taken under consideration before making prediction accoringf to me > > > > > > ,, > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > > > Vejai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/3/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: Interpreting the antardasas > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010, 10:41 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nilesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara has given outcomes of dashas and antradashas in BPHS > > > > > > > > chapter 52 onwards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here the placement of antradasha lord with respect to > > Mahadasha > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is taken into consideration as well as the bhava placement of the > > > > > > > > mahadasha/antradash a in the natal chart. The relationship of the > > > > > > > > mahadasha lord and the antradasha lord is also considered. as > > > > > > naturally > > > > > > > > if it is friendly, some positive outcomes can be expected, and > > vice > > > > > > > > versa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani's antradasha in sun mahadasha is generally better than > > sun > > > > > > > > antradasha in shani's mahadasha.. please reflect on this!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " niljoshi27 " > > > > > > <niljoshi27@ > > > > > > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How are antardasa's in a dasa period analyzed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason for this question is the fact that certain > > > > > > antardasa's > > > > > > > > are always considered bad , for e.g Saturn's antardasa in Sun Dasa > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in Moon etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can such periods be good based on the placement of the > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > Do we look at the relationship of the planets concerned, > > > > > > > > > > > the relative placement wrt each other, (9th /5th from each > > > > > > > > other,4th/10th from each other etc) > > > > > > > > > > > innate strength of the planets? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What else do we look at ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nilesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. > > Get > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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