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Hello Mr. Munidas,

 

In my view it is absolutely a useless concept. Here planetary strengths are

obtained by placement of planets with reference to another planet without

considering degree of the planet and without considering the placement of

the planet. With this system a planet of 0 degree can be graded as the most

strong planet and this planet may even be badly placed in the chart.

 

I just pity the foolishness of the concept.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

-

" vyasmunidas " <muni>

<satva >

Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:56 PM

[satva] ASHTAKAVARGA

 

 

> Dear ,

>

> What are the purposes and uses of the Ashtakavarga chart?

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

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Thankyou Professor for your forthright advise, a quality which is missing in most astrologers I have met.

It is so rare that students spend years dabbling in things which has so little reward value.

We appreciate your frankness. It helps.

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Hello Mr. Munidas,In my view it is absolutely a useless concept. Here planetary strengths areobtained by placement of planets with reference to another planet withoutconsidering degree of the planet and without considering the placement ofthe planet. With this system a planet of 0 degree can be graded as the moststrong planet and this planet may even be badly placed in the chart.I just pity the foolishness of the concept.Best wishes,- "vyasmunidas" <muni><satva >Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:56 PM[satva] ASHTAKAVARGA> Dear ,>> What are the purposes and uses of the Ashtakavarga chart?>>> Regards,>> Vyas

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Thanks professor. I appreciate your frankness!

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

 

SAMVA , <siha> wrote:

>

> Hello Mr. Munidas,

>

> In my view it is absolutely a useless concept. Here planetary

strengths are

> obtained by placement of planets with reference to another planet

without

> considering degree of the planet and without considering the

placement of

> the planet. With this system a planet of 0 degree can be graded as

the most

> strong planet and this planet may even be badly placed in the

chart.

>

> I just pity the foolishness of the concept.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

> -

> " vyasmunidas " <munidas@r...>

> <satva >

> Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:56 PM

> [satva] ASHTAKAVARGA

>

>

> > Dear ,

> >

> > What are the purposes and uses of the Ashtakavarga chart?

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Post message: satva

> > Subscribe: satva-

> > Un: satva-

> >

> >

> >

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Hello dear mr. Del Iver,

 

One can guide others if one himself/herself has understood and has courage

to express opinion on the classical myths.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

-

" del iver " <deliver1900

<SAMVA >

Friday, October 28, 2005 8:21 AM

Re: Re: [satva] ASHTAKAVARGA

 

 

> Thankyou Professor for your forthright advise, a quality which is missing

in most astrologers I have met.

> It is so rare that students spend years dabbling in things which has so

little reward value.

> We appreciate your frankness. It helps.

> Thankyou !

>

> siha wrote:

> Hello Mr. Munidas,

>

> In my view it is absolutely a useless concept. Here planetary strengths

are

> obtained by placement of planets with reference to another planet without

> considering degree of the planet and without considering the placement of

> the planet. With this system a planet of 0 degree can be graded as the

most

> strong planet and this planet may even be badly placed in the chart.

>

> I just pity the foolishness of the concept.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

> -

> " vyasmunidas " <muni>

> <satva >

> Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:56 PM

> [satva] ASHTAKAVARGA

>

>

> > Dear ,

> >

> > What are the purposes and uses of the Ashtakavarga chart?

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Post message: satva

> > Subscribe: satva-

> > Un: satva-

> >

> >

> >

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Namaste,

 

In case you have a non commercial version of Kundalee software,may please be

advised of the source from where it could be downloaded.

 

Many thanks in advance.

 

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

[vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

vedic astrology

Friday, April 24, 2009, 4:21 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee

software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps,

wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

 

 

 

Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of

Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas.

 

 

 

Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

 

 

 

-VJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Vinay ji,

 

JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga.

 

After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the

total.

 

When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position

of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8.

 

I think, you are getting confused in the calculation.

 

So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16

Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

 

 

 

 

I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee

software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka

perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

 

Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account

of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight

vargas.

 

Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

 

-VJ

 

 

 

 

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I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV..

BPHS clearly says "

सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results

of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV.

 

 

What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be

reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead

of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded,

where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not

convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ??

 

I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct

stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.

 

 

-VJ

 

================== =================

 

 

________________________________

" Ash's Corner " <kas

vedic astrology

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga.

 

After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the

total.

 

When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position

of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8.

 

I think, you are getting confused in the calculation.

 

So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16

Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

 

I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee

software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka

perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

 

Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account

of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight

vargas.

 

Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

 

-VJ

 

 

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Dear Vinay ji,

 

It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER

studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that.

 

You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

vedic astrology [vedic astrology ]

On Behalf Of Vinay Jha

Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

 

 

 

 

I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV..

BPHS clearly says "

सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results

of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV.

 

What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be

reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead

of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded,

where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not

convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ??

 

I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct

stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.

 

-VJ

 

================== =================

 

________________________________

" Ash's Corner <Corner%40ashtro.ca> " <kas

<kas%40ashtro.ca> >

vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga.

 

After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the

total.

 

When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position

of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8.

 

I think, you are getting confused in the calculation.

 

So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16

Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee

software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka

perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

 

Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account

of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight

vargas.

 

Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

 

-VJ

 

 

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Ash Ji,

I do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to 7 BAVs

being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The matter was

impersonal.

-VJ

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" Ash's Corner " <kas

vedic astrology

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER

studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that.

 

You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology [vedic astrology@ .

com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha

Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

 

I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV..

BPHS clearly says "

सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results

of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV.

 

What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be

reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead

of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded,

where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not

convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ??

 

I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct

stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.

 

-VJ

 

============ ====== ============ =====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

" Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " <kas

<kas% 40ashtro. ca> >

vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% 40.

com>

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga.

 

After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the

total.

 

When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position

of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8.

 

I think, you are getting confused in the calculation.

 

So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology

[vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16

Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee

software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka

perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

 

Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account

of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight

vargas.

 

Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

 

-VJ

 

 

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Kundalee software has no commercial version, it is freeware and can be

downloaded from ClickHere <http://kundalee.wikidot.com/> (

http://kundalee.wikidot.com/ ). Next version is being uploaded tonight,

hence download it after two hours from now.

 

-VJ

============== =============

vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM

<munisevitham wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> In case you have a non commercial version of Kundalee software,may

please be advised of the source from where it could be downloaded.

>

> Many thanks in advance.

>

> --- On Fri, 4/24/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16

> [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

> vedic astrology

> Friday, April 24, 2009, 4:21 AM

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I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my

Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on

Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

>

>

>

> Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no

account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead

of eight vargas.

>

>

>

> Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

>

>

>

> -VJ

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>

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Dear Vinay ji,

 

To me, your question was not proper as in essence what you are asking is to

quote some proof from ancient texts.

 

Yes, you question would be absolutely pertinent, should the following conditions

be met

 

1) All the ancient texts were available and in their pristine form

2) All the translation of the same was perfect

3) And Lastly, there should be absolute clarity that the ancient texts DID

infact come from some Maharishi which is not possible as everything back in the

old days as you know was transmitted verbally from Guru to Shishya and then at

some point was scribed by “someoneâ€. How do we know that if everything was

captured correctly?

 

Therefore, to me what you have asked is not proper, unless YOU can prove all the

above.

 

I therefore do not like to take part in such discussions where one has to

“quote†texts which may or may not be proper or the meaning of them might

have changed.

 

The PROOF OF WHAT I AM SAYING if you would like to try it out is as follows.

 

Have you played a game of what is called Chinese whispers? Its when as kids,

many kids sat in a circle and then one sentence was given to the first kid and

he was to whisper it in the 2nd kids ear and then the 2nd kid would whisper what

he heard into the 3rd kids ear and like that the last kid who heard it had to

say what the sentence was give and it inevitably was totally different from what

the original sentence was !!!

 

That happened in a matter of few minutes, let alone several millennia.

 

The best way then IN MY OPINION is then to PROVE it by inference over several

charts over A LIFE TIME and that knowledge would be for “you only†and for

your “own†conscience and its NOT NECESSARY to prove it to others.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

vedic astrology [vedic astrology ]

On Behalf Of Vinay Jha

Friday April 24, 2009 9:47 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

 

 

 

 

Ash Ji,

I do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to 7 BAVs

being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The matter was

impersonal.

-VJ

 

________________________________

" Ash's Corner <Corner%40ashtro.ca> " <kas

<kas%40ashtro.ca> >

vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER

studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that.

 

You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology [vedic astrology@ .

com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha

Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV..

BPHS clearly says "

सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results

of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV.

 

What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be

reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead

of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded,

where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not

convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ??

 

I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct

stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.

 

-VJ

 

============ ====== ============ =====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

" Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " <kas

<kas%40ashtro.ca> <kas% 40ashtro. ca> >

vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% 40.

com>

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga.

 

After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the

total.

 

When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position

of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8.

 

I think, you are getting confused in the calculation.

 

So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology

[vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16

Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee

software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka

perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

 

Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account

of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight

vargas.

 

Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

 

-VJ

 

 

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BPHS clearly says " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥

नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, " the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to

get the SAV " .

 

Is BPHS not the work of a rishi ? Or am I quoting it falsely ? There is no text

in which 7 BAVs are said to constitute SAV. But BPHS clearlt says all (eight)

BAVs must be added to create SAV.

 

It is unfortunate that you regard BPHS as an example of Chinese whisper. Then,

all Vedic astrology would become so. There is no point in wasting your precious

time. I know where to put my words : 1, 2, 3 . Forgive me.

 

-VJ

==================== =================

 

 

________________________________

" Ash's Corner " <kas

vedic astrology

Friday, April 24, 2009 7:36:46 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

To me, your question was not proper as in essence what you are asking is to

quote some proof from ancient texts.

 

Yes, you question would be absolutely pertinent, should the following conditions

be met

 

1) All the ancient texts were available and in their pristine form

2) All the translation of the same was perfect

3) And Lastly, there should be absolute clarity that the ancient texts DID

infact come from some Maharishi which is not possible as everything back in the

old days as you know was transmitted verbally from Guru to Shishya and then at

some point was scribed by “someoneâ€. How do we know that if everything was

captured correctly?

 

Therefore, to me what you have asked is not proper, unless YOU can prove all the

above.

 

I therefore do not like to take part in such discussions where one has to

“quote†texts which may or may not be proper or the meaning of them might

have changed.

 

The PROOF OF WHAT I AM SAYING if you would like to try it out is as follows.

 

Have you played a game of what is called Chinese whispers? Its when as kids,

many kids sat in a circle and then one sentence was given to the first kid and

he was to whisper it in the 2nd kids ear and then the 2nd kid would whisper what

he heard into the 3rd kids ear and like that the last kid who heard it had to

say what the sentence was give and it inevitably was totally different from what

the original sentence was !!!

 

That happened in a matter of few minutes, let alone several millennia.

 

The best way then IN MY OPINION is then to PROVE it by inference over several

charts over A LIFE TIME and that knowledge would be for “you only†and for

your “own†conscience and its NOT NECESSARY to prove it to others.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology [vedic astrology@ .

com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha

Friday April 24, 2009 9:47 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

 

Ash Ji,

I do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to 7 BAVs

being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The matter was

impersonal.

-VJ

 

____________ _________ _________ __

" Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " <kas

<kas% 40ashtro. ca> >

vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% 40.

com>

Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER

studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that.

 

You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology [vedic- astrology@ .

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Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV..

BPHS clearly says "

सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results

of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV.

 

What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be

reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead

of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded,

where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not

convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ??

 

I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct

stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.

 

-VJ

 

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Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga.

 

After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the

total.

 

When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position

of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8.

 

I think, you are getting confused in the calculation.

 

So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology

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Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee

software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka

perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

 

Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account

of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight

vargas.

 

Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

 

-VJ

 

 

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It is unfortunate that you regard BPHS as an example of Chinese whisper. Then,

all Vedic astrology would become so. There is no point in wasting your precious

time.

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HaHaHaHa

 

You know of whom fake id it was

 

you would be knowing

 

everybody would also be knowing

 

when you will say your shirt is not good than owner of the shirt will come out

to protect his shirt

 

 

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Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

vedic astrology

Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:46 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BPHS clearly says " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥

नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, " the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to

get the SAV " .

 

Is BPHS not the work of a rishi ? Or am I quoting it falsely ? There is no text

in which 7 BAVs are said to constitute SAV. But BPHS clearlt says all (eight)

BAVs must be added to create SAV.

 

It is unfortunate that you regard BPHS as an example of Chinese whisper. Then,

all Vedic astrology would become so. There is no point in wasting your precious

time. I know where to put my words : 1, 2, 3 . Forgive me.

 

-VJ

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vedic astrology

Friday, April 24, 2009 7:36:46 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

To me, your question was not proper as in essence what you are asking is to

quote some proof from ancient texts.

 

Yes, you question would be absolutely pertinent, should the following conditions

be met

 

1) All the ancient texts were available and in their pristine form

2) All the translation of the same was perfect

3) And Lastly, there should be absolute clarity that the ancient texts DID

infact come from some Maharishi which is not possible as everything back in the

old days as you know was transmitted verbally from Guru to Shishya and then at

some point was scribed by “someoneâ€. How do we know that if everything was

captured correctly?

 

Therefore, to me what you have asked is not proper, unless YOU can prove all the

above.

 

I therefore do not like to take part in such discussions where one has to

“quote†texts which may or may not be proper or the meaning of them might

have changed.

 

The PROOF OF WHAT I AM SAYING if you would like to try it out is as follows..

 

Have you played a game of what is called Chinese whispers? Its when as kids,

many kids sat in a circle and then one sentence was given to the first kid and

he was to whisper it in the 2nd kids ear and then the 2nd kid would whisper what

he heard into the 3rd kids ear and like that the last kid who heard it had to

say what the sentence was give and it inevitably was totally different from what

the original sentence was !!!

 

That happened in a matter of few minutes, let alone several millennia.

 

The best way then IN MY OPINION is then to PROVE it by inference over several

charts over A LIFE TIME and that knowledge would be for “you only†and for

your “own†conscience and its NOT NECESSARY to prove it to others.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

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Friday April 24, 2009 9:47 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Ash Ji,

I do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to 7 BAVs

being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The matter was

impersonal.

-VJ

 

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Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER

studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that.

 

You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology [vedic- astrology@ .

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Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV...

BPHS clearly says "

सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results

of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV.

 

What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be

reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead

of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded,

where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not

convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ??

 

I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct

stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.

 

-VJ

 

============ ====== ============ =====

 

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Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga.

 

After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the

total.

 

When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position

of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8.

 

I think, you are getting confused in the calculation.

 

So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

vedic astrology

[vedic- astrology@ . . com] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16

Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga

 

I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee

software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka

perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.

 

Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account

of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight

vargas.

 

Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?

 

-VJ

 

 

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Wendy ji,

 

I was discussing Ashtakavarga with a few pals. What is your take on this

subject?

 

Personally, I hate numbers (combust Budha) so I was wondering if should study

it.

 

Have you found it useful? Do you use it with Udu Dasa or alone?

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Dear Balaji,

 

Although I don't use ashtakavarga per se, I do cast an eye on the transits in

respect to this. However it's not something I would depend upon.

 

I might give an example of the current transit of Venus (my P/D lord). With 5/10

lord afflicted in 8th this could not be expected to bring good results in terms

of the houses ruled by Venus and/or his significations. The current transit of

10th lord Venus, in the company of 9th lord Mercury, has seen a definite decline

in regards to the normal activities (10th) that I do; And, although the current

A/V points are low (in regards to transit), we really can conclude the same

result due to the fact that transit Venus' dispositor (debilitated Mars) is

aspecting 10th, 1st, and transit Jupiter in 2nd.

 

So, no doubt, some difficulties can be expected. As for the significations of

Venus, there's hardly a day goes by that there's not a flare-up with my

husband...short-lived and is resolved fairly quickly, but there none-the-less.

Not to mention the flare-ups taking place behind the scenes...ho hum.

 

The point is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal predictive methods of

dasa/transit.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

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to a crafty person.

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Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:37 PM

jyotish-vidya

Ashtakavarga

 

 

 

Wendy ji,

 

I was discussing Ashtakavarga with a few pals. What is your take on this

subject?

 

Personally, I hate numbers (combust Budha) so I was wondering if should study

it.

 

Have you found it useful? Do you use it with Udu Dasa or alone?

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Dear Balaji

 

Pl allow me to say something in this matter.

 

What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to assess

the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited

there like we use shadbalas.

 

A bava with less than 20 points become weak and that with more than 32

points become strong.This is not the classical saying ,I am saying as

per my own observations.More points more strength and viceversa.

 

Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the

astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very

low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although

exalted.

 

But astavarga is just one aspect of astrology and not the only !

 

Example : DOB 4 Nov 1983,Friday

 

TOB 13.40 PM

 

POB Jamshedpur [Jharkhand

state,India],22.48N,86.11E

 

[ Birth data absolutely authentic and he was born as a normal delievery

baby and not a caesarean one ]

 

This boy was once a very popular and successful radio announcer in an FM

Radio ,he is very humble,down to earth and God loving but has been

absolutely jobless for the last more than a year.

 

He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and

half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was

exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V

and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga.

 

Now the same Mars is transiting in debilitation in Cancer but with a

better astavarga points. I have predicted that by May-June 2010 he will

get a job of any sort.

 

Of course other factors like aspect of Jupiter from Pisces on both the

10L & 10H from May 2010,aspect of Saturn on 10H,Jupiter's

nakshaatra,MD,AD & PD : Jup-Mars-Saturn are also there.

 

So loss of job when 10L is exalted and gain of job when 10L is

debilitated !

 

Will it not be an interesting case if my prediction comes true ?

 

Learned members can also throw some light on this chart as far as his

job is concerned.

 

He has been a celebrity and a national champion in elocution competition

and a brillinat sportsman too.

 

Regards

 

Om

 

 

 

 

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>

> Wendy ji,

>

> I was discussing Ashtakavarga with a few pals. What is your take on

this subject?

>

> Personally, I hate numbers (combust Budha) so I was wondering if

should study it.

>

> Have you found it useful? Do you use it with Udu Dasa or alone?

> __________________

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Dear Om,

 

Very quickly here if I may. First, thank you for your comments, much

appreciated!

 

///What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to assess

the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited

there like we use shadbalas.///

 

This is an important point i.e. the use of shadbala (which we're all familiar

with) to assess the strengths.

 

///Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the

astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very

low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although

exalted.///

 

If I may quote from a little book I have " Ashtakavarga System of Prediction " by

B.V. Raman...

**The Bhava occupied by Mercury (for instance) prospers provided (that)

a) Mercury is exalted or is in his own house having secured 1 to 3 bindus.

b) Mercury is debilitated, occupies an inimical sign or is in combustion, having

secured 4 or more bindus.

under b) if the bindus are less than 4, the bhava cannot flourish

satisfactorily.**

 

Of course I must add that I've not used this system enough to form an educated

opinion.

 

///He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and

half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was

exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V

and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga.///

 

Looking at this in regards to the dasas/transits at that time we can see that

10th was not favorably supported. The dasa at the time was JU-MO-JU-MO. Jupiter

in 10th is conjunct Ketu who signifies unexpected (intermittent) hindrances.

At the time of " loss of position " , dasa lord Jupiter was transiting 12th house

of " Loss " in nakshatra of 6th lord Moon. Bhukti lord Moon, occupying 12th from

10th (9th) was transiting his own position as the dispositor of transit Ketu who

was, at that time, occupying Moon's sign in the 6th house of work. Moon himself

was transiting nakshatra of Rahu who, once again, was transiting 12th house of

" Loss " closely conjunct both Jupiter and Mars. Rahu himself is a significator

for change (separation, upheaval) etc..

 

I'm not for one moment saying that Ashtakavarga is not a worthwhile technique in

the hands of those experienced in this method. What I am saying (and said

earlier) is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal predictive methods of

dasa/transit.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

===================

BPHS Ch.1

Only good will follow the teaching of this

science to the students who are peacefully

disposed, who honor the preceptors

(and elders), who speak only truth and who

are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly

will it be to impart knowledge of this science

to an unwilling student, to a heterodox and

to a crafty person.

===================

 

 

 

 

 

Om

Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:24 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Ashtakavarga

 

 

 

 

Dear Balaji

 

Pl allow me to say something in this matter.

 

What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to assess

the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited

there like we use shadbalas.

 

A bava with less than 20 points become weak and that with more than 32

points become strong.This is not the classical saying ,I am saying as

per my own observations.More points more strength and viceversa.

 

Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the

astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very

low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although

exalted.

 

But astavarga is just one aspect of astrology and not the only !

 

Example : DOB 4 Nov 1983,Friday

 

TOB 13.40 PM

 

POB Jamshedpur [Jharkhand

state,India],22.48N,86.11E

 

[ Birth data absolutely authentic and he was born as a normal delievery

baby and not a caesarean one ]

 

This boy was once a very popular and successful radio announcer in an FM

Radio ,he is very humble,down to earth and God loving but has been

absolutely jobless for the last more than a year.

 

He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and

half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was

exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V

and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga.

 

Now the same Mars is transiting in debilitation in Cancer but with a

better astavarga points. I have predicted that by May-June 2010 he will

get a job of any sort.

 

Of course other factors like aspect of Jupiter from Pisces on both the

10L & 10H from May 2010,aspect of Saturn on 10H,Jupiter's

nakshaatra,MD,AD & PD : Jup-Mars-Saturn are also there.

 

So loss of job when 10L is exalted and gain of job when 10L is

debilitated !

 

Will it not be an interesting case if my prediction comes true ?

 

Learned members can also throw some light on this chart as far as his

job is concerned.

 

He has been a celebrity and a national champion in elocution competition

and a brillinat sportsman too.

 

Regards

 

Om

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy Ji

 

Exactly the same I wanted to say but may be I could not convey it

properly.

 

Astavarga can not override dasha/bhukti.Very true.

 

It is a supporting or blocking factor like shadbala & transit up to a

certain extent only.

 

Sometimes a bhava even with the mediocre bindus/points give good results

when other factors are favourable.

 

This is the beauty of this divine science.

 

Regards

 

Om

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya

wrote:

>

> Dear Om,

>

> Very quickly here if I may. First, thank you for your comments, much

appreciated!

>

> ///What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to

assess

> the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited

> there like we use shadbalas.///

>

> This is an important point i.e. the use of shadbala (which we're all

familiar with) to assess the strengths.

>

> ///Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the

> astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very

> low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although

> exalted.///

>

> If I may quote from a little book I have " Ashtakavarga System of

Prediction " by B.V. Raman...

> **The Bhava occupied by Mercury (for instance) prospers provided

(that)

> a) Mercury is exalted or is in his own house having secured 1 to 3

bindus.

> b) Mercury is debilitated, occupies an inimical sign or is in

combustion, having secured 4 or more bindus.

> under b) if the bindus are less than 4, the bhava cannot flourish

satisfactorily.**

>

> Of course I must add that I've not used this system enough to form an

educated opinion.

>

> ///He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three

and

> half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was

> exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V

> and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga.///

>

> Looking at this in regards to the dasas/transits at that time we can

see that 10th was not favorably supported. The dasa at the time was

JU-MO-JU-MO. Jupiter in 10th is conjunct Ketu who signifies unexpected

(intermittent) hindrances.

> At the time of " loss of position " , dasa lord Jupiter was transiting

12th house of " Loss " in nakshatra of 6th lord Moon. Bhukti lord Moon,

occupying 12th from 10th (9th) was transiting his own position as the

dispositor of transit Ketu who was, at that time, occupying Moon's sign

in the 6th house of work. Moon himself was transiting nakshatra of Rahu

who, once again, was transiting 12th house of " Loss " closely conjunct

both Jupiter and Mars. Rahu himself is a significator for change

(separation, upheaval) etc..

>

> I'm not for one moment saying that Ashtakavarga is not a worthwhile

technique in the hands of those experienced in this method. What I am

saying (and said earlier) is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal

predictive methods of dasa/transit.

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

>

> ===================

> BPHS Ch.1

> Only good will follow the teaching of this

> science to the students who are peacefully

> disposed, who honor the preceptors

> (and elders), who speak only truth and who

> are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly

> will it be to impart knowledge of this science

> to an unwilling student, to a heterodox and

> to a crafty person.

> ===================

>

>

>

>

>

> Om

> Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:24 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Ashtakavarga

>

>

>

>

> Dear Balaji

>

> Pl allow me to say something in this matter.

>

> What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to

assess

> the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited

> there like we use shadbalas.

>

> A bava with less than 20 points become weak and that with more than 32

> points become strong.This is not the classical saying ,I am saying as

> per my own observations.More points more strength and viceversa.

>

> Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the

> astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very

> low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although

> exalted.

>

> But astavarga is just one aspect of astrology and not the only !

>

> Example : DOB 4 Nov 1983,Friday

>

> TOB 13.40 PM

>

> POB Jamshedpur [Jharkhand

> state,India],22.48N,86.11E

>

> [ Birth data absolutely authentic and he was born as a normal

delievery

> baby and not a caesarean one ]

>

> This boy was once a very popular and successful radio announcer in an

FM

> Radio ,he is very humble,down to earth and God loving but has been

> absolutely jobless for the last more than a year.

>

> He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and

> half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was

> exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V

> and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga.

>

> Now the same Mars is transiting in debilitation in Cancer but with a

> better astavarga points. I have predicted that by May-June 2010 he

will

> get a job of any sort.

>

> Of course other factors like aspect of Jupiter from Pisces on both the

> 10L & 10H from May 2010,aspect of Saturn on 10H,Jupiter's

> nakshaatra,MD,AD & PD : Jup-Mars-Saturn are also there.

>

> So loss of job when 10L is exalted and gain of job when 10L is

> debilitated !

>

> Will it not be an interesting case if my prediction comes true ?

>

> Learned members can also throw some light on this chart as far as his

> job is concerned.

>

> He has been a celebrity and a national champion in elocution

competition

> and a brillinat sportsman too.

>

> Regards

>

> Om

>

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Dear Om,

 

//Sometimes a bhava even with the mediocre bindus/points give good

results when other factors are favourable.//

 

This clearly shows that AV at best could an enabling factor and not a

deciding factor.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Om <astrops2122 wrote:

 

>

>

>

> Dear Wendy Ji

>

> Exactly the same I wanted to say but may be I could not convey it

> properly.

>

> Astavarga can not override dasha/bhukti.Very true.

>

> It is a supporting or blocking factor like shadbala & transit up to a

> certain extent only.

>

> Sometimes a bhava even with the mediocre bindus/points give good results

> when other factors are favourable.

>

> This is the beauty of this divine science.

>

> Regards

>

> Om

>

> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Om,

> >

> > Very quickly here if I may. First, thank you for your comments, much

> appreciated!

> >

> > ///What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to

> assess

> > the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited

> > there like we use shadbalas.///

> >

> > This is an important point i.e. the use of shadbala (which we're all

> familiar with) to assess the strengths.

> >

> > ///Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the

> > astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very

> > low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although

> > exalted.///

> >

> > If I may quote from a little book I have " Ashtakavarga System of

> Prediction " by B.V. Raman...

> > **The Bhava occupied by Mercury (for instance) prospers provided

> (that)

> > a) Mercury is exalted or is in his own house having secured 1 to 3

> bindus.

> > b) Mercury is debilitated, occupies an inimical sign or is in

> combustion, having secured 4 or more bindus.

> > under b) if the bindus are less than 4, the bhava cannot flourish

> satisfactorily.**

> >

> > Of course I must add that I've not used this system enough to form an

> educated opinion.

> >

> > ///He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three

> and

> > half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was

> > exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V

> > and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga.///

> >

> > Looking at this in regards to the dasas/transits at that time we can

> see that 10th was not favorably supported. The dasa at the time was

> JU-MO-JU-MO. Jupiter in 10th is conjunct Ketu who signifies unexpected

> (intermittent) hindrances.

> > At the time of " loss of position " , dasa lord Jupiter was transiting

> 12th house of " Loss " in nakshatra of 6th lord Moon. Bhukti lord Moon,

> occupying 12th from 10th (9th) was transiting his own position as the

> dispositor of transit Ketu who was, at that time, occupying Moon's sign

> in the 6th house of work. Moon himself was transiting nakshatra of Rahu

> who, once again, was transiting 12th house of " Loss " closely conjunct

> both Jupiter and Mars. Rahu himself is a significator for change

> (separation, upheaval) etc..

> >

> > I'm not for one moment saying that Ashtakavarga is not a worthwhile

> technique in the hands of those experienced in this method. What I am

> saying (and said earlier) is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal

> predictive methods of dasa/transit.

> >

> > Best Wishes

> > Mrs.Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> >

> > ===================

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> > Only good will follow the teaching of this

> > science to the students who are peacefully

> > disposed, who honor the preceptors

> > (and elders), who speak only truth and who

> > are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly

> > will it be to impart knowledge of this science

> > to an unwilling student, to a heterodox and

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> > Om

> > Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:24 PM

> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>

> > Re: Ashtakavarga

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Balaji

> >

> > Pl allow me to say something in this matter.

> >

> > What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to

> assess

> > the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited

> > there like we use shadbalas.

> >

> > A bava with less than 20 points become weak and that with more than 32

> > points become strong.This is not the classical saying ,I am saying as

> > per my own observations.More points more strength and viceversa.

> >

> > Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the

> > astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very

> > low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although

> > exalted.

> >

> > But astavarga is just one aspect of astrology and not the only !

> >

> > Example : DOB 4 Nov 1983,Friday

> >

> > TOB 13.40 PM

> >

> > POB Jamshedpur [Jharkhand

> > state,India],22.48N,86.11E

> >

> > [ Birth data absolutely authentic and he was born as a normal

> delievery

> > baby and not a caesarean one ]

> >

> > This boy was once a very popular and successful radio announcer in an

> FM

> > Radio ,he is very humble,down to earth and God loving but has been

> > absolutely jobless for the last more than a year.

> >

> > He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and

> > half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was

> > exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V

> > and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga.

> >

> > Now the same Mars is transiting in debilitation in Cancer but with a

> > better astavarga points. I have predicted that by May-June 2010 he

> will

> > get a job of any sort.

> >

> > Of course other factors like aspect of Jupiter from Pisces on both the

> > 10L & 10H from May 2010,aspect of Saturn on 10H,Jupiter's

> > nakshaatra,MD,AD & PD : Jup-Mars-Saturn are also there.

> >

> > So loss of job when 10L is exalted and gain of job when 10L is

> > debilitated !

> >

> > Will it not be an interesting case if my prediction comes true ?

> >

> > Learned members can also throw some light on this chart as far as his

> > job is concerned.

> >

> > He has been a celebrity and a national champion in elocution

> competition

> > and a brillinat sportsman too.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Om

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Wendy ji,

 

Thank you for your clear note on Ashtakavarga.

 

///The point is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal predictive methods of

dasa/transit.///

 

I generally dislike relying too much on math and find that the Udu dasa coupled

with gochara shows all that one needs to know. Thanks once again for reaffirming

this faith! :-)

 

In fact, yesterday (Wednesday) I almost ran out to buy a book, probably because

the day is ruled by impulsive Budha. But aspect of Sani on Budha in my chart

made me decide to consult you, my Guru, and seek your comments before buying a

book. Now, I have decided not to buy any asktakavarga book.

 

BTW, the book in question was CS Patel's Ashtakavarga. Now, maybe I will buy his

book on Navamsa on Saturday. Have you read this, BTW? How is it?

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Om ji,

 

Thanks for the explanation on Ashtakavarga. But as Wendy ji has pointed out, it

can be seen from transits and dasas too.

 

Maybe, Parasara created AV for those who love math! :-)

 

One of my pals swears by this and he is extremely good at calculations.

 

Also, the native lost job while running Bukti of Chandra, lord of the 6th. MD/PD

lord Guru is occupying star of 8th lord Budha, who in turn is conjunct neecha

Surya, lord of status and dispositor of 10th lord.

 

And, as you say, the moment 10th lord Kuja comes out of neecha affliction in end

May 2010, he will get a job,especially since 10th lord with aspect Lagna, while

PD of uccha Lagnadipathi Sani is running, followed by Budha's PD, who occupies

the 9th (solutions to problems).

 

Personally, I believe in studying the rasi chart, looking at MD/AD/PD and

transits of these three grahas with reference to both rasi and nakshatras. My

predictions have been good, but I owe it more to aspect of 9th lord (divine

grace) on 2nd (vak/speech) than on my own knowledge! :-)

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Dear Balaji,

 

///BTW, the book in question was CS Patel's Ashtakavarga. Now, maybe I will buy

his book on Navamsa on Saturday. Have you read this, BTW? How is it?///

 

No I haven't.

 

Best Wishes

Mrs.Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

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to an unwilling student, to a heterodox and

to a crafty person.

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jyotish-vidya

Re: Ashtakavarga

 

 

 

Wendy ji,

 

Thank you for your clear note on Ashtakavarga.

 

///The point is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal predictive methods of

dasa/transit.///

 

I generally dislike relying too much on math and find that the Udu dasa coupled

with gochara shows all that one needs to know. Thanks once again for reaffirming

this faith! :-)

 

In fact, yesterday (Wednesday) I almost ran out to buy a book, probably because

the day is ruled by impulsive Budha. But aspect of Sani on Budha in my chart

made me decide to consult you, my Guru, and seek your comments before buying a

book. Now, I have decided not to buy any asktakavarga book.

 

BTW, the book in question was CS Patel's Ashtakavarga. Now, maybe I will buy his

book on Navamsa on Saturday. Have you read this, BTW? How is it?

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Wendy ji,

 

///BTW, the book in question was CS Patel's Ashtakavarga. Now, maybe I will buy

his book on Navamsa on Saturday. Have you read this, BTW? How is it?///

 

<<<No I haven't.>>>

 

Well, my colleague just gifted it to me. Let me read it and see.

 

astroamerica.com says his books are generally good. Here's the link:

 

http://www.astroamerica.com/v-patel.html

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Usage of Ashtakavarga apart from shadbala might be having numbers and they carry

lot of significnace and provide indications as dasas progress the probabilities

for the realisation wants and also for remedial purposes

 

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Re: Ashtakavarga

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, April 8, 2010, 10:31 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om ji,

 

 

 

Thanks for the explanation on Ashtakavarga. But as Wendy ji has pointed out, it

can be seen from transits and dasas too.

 

 

 

Maybe, Parasara created AV for those who love math! :-)

 

 

 

One of my pals swears by this and he is extremely good at calculations.

 

 

 

Also, the native lost job while running Bukti of Chandra, lord of the 6th. MD/PD

lord Guru is occupying star of 8th lord Budha, who in turn is conjunct neecha

Surya, lord of status and dispositor of 10th lord.

 

 

 

And, as you say, the moment 10th lord Kuja comes out of neecha affliction in end

May 2010, he will get a job,especially since 10th lord with aspect Lagna, while

PD of uccha Lagnadipathi Sani is running, followed by Budha's PD, who occupies

the 9th (solutions to problems).

 

 

 

Personally, I believe in studying the rasi chart, looking at MD/AD/PD and

transits of these three grahas with reference to both rasi and nakshatras. My

predictions have been good, but I owe it more to aspect of 9th lord (divine

grace) on 2nd (vak/speech) than on my own knowledge! :-)

 

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Vattem Krishnan ji,

 

///Usage of Ashtakavarga apart from shadbala might be having numbers and they

carry lot of significnace and provide indications as dasas progress the

probabilities for the realisation wants and also for remedial purposes///

 

Very true. But as Wendy ji said, the standard appreciation of Udu Dasa and the

significances of the grahas and houses cannot be overruled by Ashtakavarga.

 

Classic case--I'm running BU-SA-GU. Guru is in Kumbha, with just 1 bindu. But

while it is troubling me in terms of vehicles (today, 12 Apr, I pushed my moped

because of a carburattor block; my bike also got puntured) because it is in the

6th from 4th, otherwise things are going fine. This is because it is in the

divine 9th.

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