Guest guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Hello Mr. Munidas, In my view it is absolutely a useless concept. Here planetary strengths are obtained by placement of planets with reference to another planet without considering degree of the planet and without considering the placement of the planet. With this system a planet of 0 degree can be graded as the most strong planet and this planet may even be badly placed in the chart. I just pity the foolishness of the concept. Best wishes, - " vyasmunidas " <muni> <satva > Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:56 PM [satva] ASHTAKAVARGA > Dear , > > What are the purposes and uses of the Ashtakavarga chart? > > > Regards, > > Vyas Munidas Post message: satva > Subscribe: satva- > Un: satva- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Thankyou Professor for your forthright advise, a quality which is missing in most astrologers I have met. It is so rare that students spend years dabbling in things which has so little reward value. We appreciate your frankness. It helps. Thankyou !siha wrote: Hello Mr. Munidas,In my view it is absolutely a useless concept. Here planetary strengths areobtained by placement of planets with reference to another planet withoutconsidering degree of the planet and without considering the placement ofthe planet. With this system a planet of 0 degree can be graded as the moststrong planet and this planet may even be badly placed in the chart.I just pity the foolishness of the concept.Best wishes,- "vyasmunidas" <muni><satva >Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:56 PM[satva] ASHTAKAVARGA> Dear ,>> What are the purposes and uses of the Ashtakavarga chart?>>> Regards,>> Vyas Munidas>>>>>>> Post message: satva > Subscribe: satva- > Un: satva- >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Thanks professor. I appreciate your frankness! Best regards, Vyas Munidas SAMVA , <siha> wrote: > > Hello Mr. Munidas, > > In my view it is absolutely a useless concept. Here planetary strengths are > obtained by placement of planets with reference to another planet without > considering degree of the planet and without considering the placement of > the planet. With this system a planet of 0 degree can be graded as the most > strong planet and this planet may even be badly placed in the chart. > > I just pity the foolishness of the concept. > > Best wishes, > > > > > - > " vyasmunidas " <munidas@r...> > <satva > > Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:56 PM > [satva] ASHTAKAVARGA > > > > Dear , > > > > What are the purposes and uses of the Ashtakavarga chart? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: satva > > Subscribe: satva- > > Un: satva- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Hello dear mr. Del Iver, One can guide others if one himself/herself has understood and has courage to express opinion on the classical myths. Best wishes, - " del iver " <deliver1900 <SAMVA > Friday, October 28, 2005 8:21 AM Re: Re: [satva] ASHTAKAVARGA > Thankyou Professor for your forthright advise, a quality which is missing in most astrologers I have met. > It is so rare that students spend years dabbling in things which has so little reward value. > We appreciate your frankness. It helps. > Thankyou ! > > siha wrote: > Hello Mr. Munidas, > > In my view it is absolutely a useless concept. Here planetary strengths are > obtained by placement of planets with reference to another planet without > considering degree of the planet and without considering the placement of > the planet. With this system a planet of 0 degree can be graded as the most > strong planet and this planet may even be badly placed in the chart. > > I just pity the foolishness of the concept. > > Best wishes, > > > > > - > " vyasmunidas " <muni> > <satva > > Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:56 PM > [satva] ASHTAKAVARGA > > > > Dear , > > > > What are the purposes and uses of the Ashtakavarga chart? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: satva > > Subscribe: satva- > > Un: satva- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Namaste, In case you have a non commercial version of Kundalee software,may please be advised of the source from where it could be downloaded. Many thanks in advance. --- On Fri, 4/24/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote: vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga vedic astrology Friday, April 24, 2009, 4:21 AM I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ? -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga. After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total. When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8. I think, you are getting confused in the calculation. So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16 Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ? -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV.. BPHS clearly says " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV. What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ?? I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance. -VJ ================== ================= ________________________________ " Ash's Corner " <kas vedic astrology Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga. After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total. When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8. I think, you are getting confused in the calculation. So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16 Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ? -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that. You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV.. BPHS clearly says " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV. What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ?? I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance. -VJ ================== ================= ________________________________ " Ash's Corner <Corner%40ashtro.ca> " <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga. After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total. When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8. I think, you are getting confused in the calculation. So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16 Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ? -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Ash Ji, I do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to 7 BAVs being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The matter was impersonal. -VJ ________________________________ " Ash's Corner " <kas vedic astrology Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that. You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic astrology@ . com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV.. BPHS clearly says " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV. What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ?? I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance. -VJ ============ ====== ============ ===== ____________ _________ _________ __ " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " <kas <kas% 40ashtro. ca> > vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% 40. com> Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga. After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total. When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8. I think, you are getting confused in the calculation. So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16 Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ? -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Kundalee software has no commercial version, it is freeware and can be downloaded from ClickHere <http://kundalee.wikidot.com/> ( http://kundalee.wikidot.com/ ). Next version is being uploaded tonight, hence download it after two hours from now. -VJ ============== ============= vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham wrote: > > Namaste, > > In case you have a non commercial version of Kundalee software,may please be advised of the source from where it could be downloaded. > > Many thanks in advance. > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16 > [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga > vedic astrology > Friday, April 24, 2009, 4:21 AM > > > > > > > > > > > I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. > > > > Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. > > > > Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ? > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, To me, your question was not proper as in essence what you are asking is to quote some proof from ancient texts. Yes, you question would be absolutely pertinent, should the following conditions be met 1) All the ancient texts were available and in their pristine form 2) All the translation of the same was perfect 3) And Lastly, there should be absolute clarity that the ancient texts DID infact come from some Maharishi which is not possible as everything back in the old days as you know was transmitted verbally from Guru to Shishya and then at some point was scribed by “someoneâ€. How do we know that if everything was captured correctly? Therefore, to me what you have asked is not proper, unless YOU can prove all the above. I therefore do not like to take part in such discussions where one has to “quote†texts which may or may not be proper or the meaning of them might have changed. The PROOF OF WHAT I AM SAYING if you would like to try it out is as follows. Have you played a game of what is called Chinese whispers? Its when as kids, many kids sat in a circle and then one sentence was given to the first kid and he was to whisper it in the 2nd kids ear and then the 2nd kid would whisper what he heard into the 3rd kids ear and like that the last kid who heard it had to say what the sentence was give and it inevitably was totally different from what the original sentence was !!! That happened in a matter of few minutes, let alone several millennia. The best way then IN MY OPINION is then to PROVE it by inference over several charts over A LIFE TIME and that knowledge would be for “you only†and for your “own†conscience and its NOT NECESSARY to prove it to others. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha Friday April 24, 2009 9:47 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Ash Ji, I do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to 7 BAVs being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The matter was impersonal. -VJ ________________________________ " Ash's Corner <Corner%40ashtro.ca> " <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that. You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic astrology@ . com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV.. BPHS clearly says " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV. What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ?? I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance. -VJ ============ ====== ============ ===== ____________ _________ _________ __ " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " <kas <kas%40ashtro.ca> <kas% 40ashtro. ca> > vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% 40. com> Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga. After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total. When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8. I think, you are getting confused in the calculation. So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic- astrology] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16 Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ? -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 BPHS clearly says " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, " the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV " . Is BPHS not the work of a rishi ? Or am I quoting it falsely ? There is no text in which 7 BAVs are said to constitute SAV. But BPHS clearlt says all (eight) BAVs must be added to create SAV. It is unfortunate that you regard BPHS as an example of Chinese whisper. Then, all Vedic astrology would become so. There is no point in wasting your precious time. I know where to put my words : 1, 2, 3 . Forgive me. -VJ ==================== ================= ________________________________ " Ash's Corner " <kas vedic astrology Friday, April 24, 2009 7:36:46 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, To me, your question was not proper as in essence what you are asking is to quote some proof from ancient texts. Yes, you question would be absolutely pertinent, should the following conditions be met 1) All the ancient texts were available and in their pristine form 2) All the translation of the same was perfect 3) And Lastly, there should be absolute clarity that the ancient texts DID infact come from some Maharishi which is not possible as everything back in the old days as you know was transmitted verbally from Guru to Shishya and then at some point was scribed by “someoneâ€. How do we know that if everything was captured correctly? Therefore, to me what you have asked is not proper, unless YOU can prove all the above. I therefore do not like to take part in such discussions where one has to “quote†texts which may or may not be proper or the meaning of them might have changed. The PROOF OF WHAT I AM SAYING if you would like to try it out is as follows. Have you played a game of what is called Chinese whispers? Its when as kids, many kids sat in a circle and then one sentence was given to the first kid and he was to whisper it in the 2nd kids ear and then the 2nd kid would whisper what he heard into the 3rd kids ear and like that the last kid who heard it had to say what the sentence was give and it inevitably was totally different from what the original sentence was !!! That happened in a matter of few minutes, let alone several millennia. The best way then IN MY OPINION is then to PROVE it by inference over several charts over A LIFE TIME and that knowledge would be for “you only†and for your “own†conscience and its NOT NECESSARY to prove it to others. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic astrology@ . com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha Friday April 24, 2009 9:47 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Ash Ji, I do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to 7 BAVs being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The matter was impersonal. -VJ ____________ _________ _________ __ " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " <kas <kas% 40ashtro. ca> > vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% 40. com> Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that. You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic- astrology@ . com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV.. BPHS clearly says " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV. What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ?? I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance. -VJ ============ ====== ============ ===== ____________ _________ _________ __ " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " <kas <kas% 40ashtro. ca> <kas% 40ashtro. ca> > vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% 40. com> Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga. After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total. When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8. I think, you are getting confused in the calculation. So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic- astrology@ .. com] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16 Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ? -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 ******************************************************************** It is unfortunate that you regard BPHS as an example of Chinese whisper. Then, all Vedic astrology would become so. There is no point in wasting your precious time. ********************************************************************  HaHaHaHa  You know of whom fake id it was  you would be knowing  everybody would also be knowing  when you will say your shirt is not good than owner of the shirt will come out to protect his shirt --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga vedic astrology Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:46 PM BPHS clearly says " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, " the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV " . Is BPHS not the work of a rishi ? Or am I quoting it falsely ? There is no text in which 7 BAVs are said to constitute SAV. But BPHS clearlt says all (eight) BAVs must be added to create SAV. It is unfortunate that you regard BPHS as an example of Chinese whisper. Then, all Vedic astrology would become so. There is no point in wasting your precious time. I know where to put my words : 1, 2, 3 . Forgive me. -VJ ============ ======== ============ ===== ____________ _________ _________ __ " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca " <kas vedic astrology Friday, April 24, 2009 7:36:46 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, To me, your question was not proper as in essence what you are asking is to quote some proof from ancient texts. Yes, you question would be absolutely pertinent, should the following conditions be met 1) All the ancient texts were available and in their pristine form 2) All the translation of the same was perfect 3) And Lastly, there should be absolute clarity that the ancient texts DID infact come from some Maharishi which is not possible as everything back in the old days as you know was transmitted verbally from Guru to Shishya and then at some point was scribed by “someoneâ€. How do we know that if everything was captured correctly? Therefore, to me what you have asked is not proper, unless YOU can prove all the above. I therefore do not like to take part in such discussions where one has to “quote†texts which may or may not be proper or the meaning of them might have changed. The PROOF OF WHAT I AM SAYING if you would like to try it out is as follows.. Have you played a game of what is called Chinese whispers? Its when as kids, many kids sat in a circle and then one sentence was given to the first kid and he was to whisper it in the 2nd kids ear and then the 2nd kid would whisper what he heard into the 3rd kids ear and like that the last kid who heard it had to say what the sentence was give and it inevitably was totally different from what the original sentence was !!! That happened in a matter of few minutes, let alone several millennia. The best way then IN MY OPINION is then to PROVE it by inference over several charts over A LIFE TIME and that knowledge would be for “you only†and for your “own†conscience and its NOT NECESSARY to prove it to others. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic- astrology@ . com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha Friday April 24, 2009 9:47 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Ash Ji, I do not want any controversy , I hoped you will give some reference to 7 BAVs being part of SAV, excluding Lagna BAV. I was dejected. The matter was impersonal. -VJ ____________ _________ _________ __ " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " <kas <kas% 40ashtro. ca> > vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% 40. com> Friday, April 24, 2009 6:59:11 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, It is not my job nor my task to prove anything. I have given my opinion, AFTER studying Ashtakavarga for several years and that’s that. You are free to accept it, doubt it or reject it and that is your prerogative. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic- astrology@ . com] On Behalf Of Vinay Jha Friday April 24, 2009 9:18 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV... BPHS clearly says " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV. What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ?? I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance. -VJ ============ ====== ============ ===== ____________ _________ _________ __ " Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <Corner% 40ashtro. ca> " <kas <kas% 40ashtro. ca> <kas% 40ashtro. ca> > vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% 40. com> Friday, April 24, 2009 6:25:10 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga Dear Vinay ji, JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga. After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total. When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8. I think, you are getting confused in the calculation. So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca vedic astrology [vedic- astrology@ . . com] On Behalf Of vinayjhaa16 Friday April 24, 2009 4:21 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Ashtakavarga I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ? -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Wendy ji, I was discussing Ashtakavarga with a few pals. What is your take on this subject? Personally, I hate numbers (combust Budha) so I was wondering if should study it. Have you found it useful? Do you use it with Udu Dasa or alone? __________________ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear Balaji, Although I don't use ashtakavarga per se, I do cast an eye on the transits in respect to this. However it's not something I would depend upon. I might give an example of the current transit of Venus (my P/D lord). With 5/10 lord afflicted in 8th this could not be expected to bring good results in terms of the houses ruled by Venus and/or his significations. The current transit of 10th lord Venus, in the company of 9th lord Mercury, has seen a definite decline in regards to the normal activities (10th) that I do; And, although the current A/V points are low (in regards to transit), we really can conclude the same result due to the fact that transit Venus' dispositor (debilitated Mars) is aspecting 10th, 1st, and transit Jupiter in 2nd. So, no doubt, some difficulties can be expected. As for the significations of Venus, there's hardly a day goes by that there's not a flare-up with my husband...short-lived and is resolved fairly quickly, but there none-the-less. Not to mention the flare-ups taking place behind the scenes...ho hum. The point is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal predictive methods of dasa/transit. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== BPHS Ch.1 Only good will follow the teaching of this science to the students who are peacefully disposed, who honor the preceptors (and elders), who speak only truth and who are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly will it be to impart knowledge of this science to an unwilling student, to a heterodox, and to a crafty person. =================== Balaji Narasimhan Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:37 PM jyotish-vidya Ashtakavarga Wendy ji, I was discussing Ashtakavarga with a few pals. What is your take on this subject? Personally, I hate numbers (combust Budha) so I was wondering if should study it. Have you found it useful? Do you use it with Udu Dasa or alone? __________________ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ .. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5008 (20100407) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Balaji Pl allow me to say something in this matter. What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to assess the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited there like we use shadbalas. A bava with less than 20 points become weak and that with more than 32 points become strong.This is not the classical saying ,I am saying as per my own observations.More points more strength and viceversa. Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although exalted. But astavarga is just one aspect of astrology and not the only ! Example : DOB 4 Nov 1983,Friday TOB 13.40 PM POB Jamshedpur [Jharkhand state,India],22.48N,86.11E [ Birth data absolutely authentic and he was born as a normal delievery baby and not a caesarean one ] This boy was once a very popular and successful radio announcer in an FM Radio ,he is very humble,down to earth and God loving but has been absolutely jobless for the last more than a year. He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga. Now the same Mars is transiting in debilitation in Cancer but with a better astavarga points. I have predicted that by May-June 2010 he will get a job of any sort. Of course other factors like aspect of Jupiter from Pisces on both the 10L & 10H from May 2010,aspect of Saturn on 10H,Jupiter's nakshaatra,MD,AD & PD : Jup-Mars-Saturn are also there. So loss of job when 10L is exalted and gain of job when 10L is debilitated ! Will it not be an interesting case if my prediction comes true ? Learned members can also throw some light on this chart as far as his job is concerned. He has been a celebrity and a national champion in elocution competition and a brillinat sportsman too. Regards Om jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > Wendy ji, > > I was discussing Ashtakavarga with a few pals. What is your take on this subject? > > Personally, I hate numbers (combust Budha) so I was wondering if should study it. > > Have you found it useful? Do you use it with Udu Dasa or alone? > __________________ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Om, Very quickly here if I may. First, thank you for your comments, much appreciated! ///What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to assess the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited there like we use shadbalas./// This is an important point i.e. the use of shadbala (which we're all familiar with) to assess the strengths. ///Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although exalted./// If I may quote from a little book I have " Ashtakavarga System of Prediction " by B.V. Raman... **The Bhava occupied by Mercury (for instance) prospers provided (that) a) Mercury is exalted or is in his own house having secured 1 to 3 bindus. b) Mercury is debilitated, occupies an inimical sign or is in combustion, having secured 4 or more bindus. under b) if the bindus are less than 4, the bhava cannot flourish satisfactorily.** Of course I must add that I've not used this system enough to form an educated opinion. ///He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga./// Looking at this in regards to the dasas/transits at that time we can see that 10th was not favorably supported. The dasa at the time was JU-MO-JU-MO. Jupiter in 10th is conjunct Ketu who signifies unexpected (intermittent) hindrances. At the time of " loss of position " , dasa lord Jupiter was transiting 12th house of " Loss " in nakshatra of 6th lord Moon. Bhukti lord Moon, occupying 12th from 10th (9th) was transiting his own position as the dispositor of transit Ketu who was, at that time, occupying Moon's sign in the 6th house of work. Moon himself was transiting nakshatra of Rahu who, once again, was transiting 12th house of " Loss " closely conjunct both Jupiter and Mars. Rahu himself is a significator for change (separation, upheaval) etc.. I'm not for one moment saying that Ashtakavarga is not a worthwhile technique in the hands of those experienced in this method. What I am saying (and said earlier) is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal predictive methods of dasa/transit. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== BPHS Ch.1 Only good will follow the teaching of this science to the students who are peacefully disposed, who honor the preceptors (and elders), who speak only truth and who are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly will it be to impart knowledge of this science to an unwilling student, to a heterodox and to a crafty person. =================== Om Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:24 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Ashtakavarga Dear Balaji Pl allow me to say something in this matter. What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to assess the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited there like we use shadbalas. A bava with less than 20 points become weak and that with more than 32 points become strong.This is not the classical saying ,I am saying as per my own observations.More points more strength and viceversa. Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although exalted. But astavarga is just one aspect of astrology and not the only ! Example : DOB 4 Nov 1983,Friday TOB 13.40 PM POB Jamshedpur [Jharkhand state,India],22.48N,86.11E [ Birth data absolutely authentic and he was born as a normal delievery baby and not a caesarean one ] This boy was once a very popular and successful radio announcer in an FM Radio ,he is very humble,down to earth and God loving but has been absolutely jobless for the last more than a year. He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga. Now the same Mars is transiting in debilitation in Cancer but with a better astavarga points. I have predicted that by May-June 2010 he will get a job of any sort. Of course other factors like aspect of Jupiter from Pisces on both the 10L & 10H from May 2010,aspect of Saturn on 10H,Jupiter's nakshaatra,MD,AD & PD : Jup-Mars-Saturn are also there. So loss of job when 10L is exalted and gain of job when 10L is debilitated ! Will it not be an interesting case if my prediction comes true ? Learned members can also throw some light on this chart as far as his job is concerned. He has been a celebrity and a national champion in elocution competition and a brillinat sportsman too. Regards Om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5008 (20100407) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Wendy Ji Exactly the same I wanted to say but may be I could not convey it properly. Astavarga can not override dasha/bhukti.Very true. It is a supporting or blocking factor like shadbala & transit up to a certain extent only. Sometimes a bhava even with the mediocre bindus/points give good results when other factors are favourable. This is the beauty of this divine science. Regards Om jyotish-vidya , " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Om, > > Very quickly here if I may. First, thank you for your comments, much appreciated! > > ///What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to assess > the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited > there like we use shadbalas./// > > This is an important point i.e. the use of shadbala (which we're all familiar with) to assess the strengths. > > ///Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the > astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very > low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although > exalted./// > > If I may quote from a little book I have " Ashtakavarga System of Prediction " by B.V. Raman... > **The Bhava occupied by Mercury (for instance) prospers provided (that) > a) Mercury is exalted or is in his own house having secured 1 to 3 bindus. > b) Mercury is debilitated, occupies an inimical sign or is in combustion, having secured 4 or more bindus. > under b) if the bindus are less than 4, the bhava cannot flourish satisfactorily.** > > Of course I must add that I've not used this system enough to form an educated opinion. > > ///He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and > half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was > exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V > and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga./// > > Looking at this in regards to the dasas/transits at that time we can see that 10th was not favorably supported. The dasa at the time was JU-MO-JU-MO. Jupiter in 10th is conjunct Ketu who signifies unexpected (intermittent) hindrances. > At the time of " loss of position " , dasa lord Jupiter was transiting 12th house of " Loss " in nakshatra of 6th lord Moon. Bhukti lord Moon, occupying 12th from 10th (9th) was transiting his own position as the dispositor of transit Ketu who was, at that time, occupying Moon's sign in the 6th house of work. Moon himself was transiting nakshatra of Rahu who, once again, was transiting 12th house of " Loss " closely conjunct both Jupiter and Mars. Rahu himself is a significator for change (separation, upheaval) etc.. > > I'm not for one moment saying that Ashtakavarga is not a worthwhile technique in the hands of those experienced in this method. What I am saying (and said earlier) is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal predictive methods of dasa/transit. > > Best Wishes > Mrs.Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > =================== > BPHS Ch.1 > Only good will follow the teaching of this > science to the students who are peacefully > disposed, who honor the preceptors > (and elders), who speak only truth and who > are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly > will it be to impart knowledge of this science > to an unwilling student, to a heterodox and > to a crafty person. > =================== > > > > > > Om > Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:24 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Ashtakavarga > > > > > Dear Balaji > > Pl allow me to say something in this matter. > > What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to assess > the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited > there like we use shadbalas. > > A bava with less than 20 points become weak and that with more than 32 > points become strong.This is not the classical saying ,I am saying as > per my own observations.More points more strength and viceversa. > > Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the > astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very > low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although > exalted. > > But astavarga is just one aspect of astrology and not the only ! > > Example : DOB 4 Nov 1983,Friday > > TOB 13.40 PM > > POB Jamshedpur [Jharkhand > state,India],22.48N,86.11E > > [ Birth data absolutely authentic and he was born as a normal delievery > baby and not a caesarean one ] > > This boy was once a very popular and successful radio announcer in an FM > Radio ,he is very humble,down to earth and God loving but has been > absolutely jobless for the last more than a year. > > He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and > half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was > exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V > and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga. > > Now the same Mars is transiting in debilitation in Cancer but with a > better astavarga points. I have predicted that by May-June 2010 he will > get a job of any sort. > > Of course other factors like aspect of Jupiter from Pisces on both the > 10L & 10H from May 2010,aspect of Saturn on 10H,Jupiter's > nakshaatra,MD,AD & PD : Jup-Mars-Saturn are also there. > > So loss of job when 10L is exalted and gain of job when 10L is > debilitated ! > > Will it not be an interesting case if my prediction comes true ? > > Learned members can also throw some light on this chart as far as his > job is concerned. > > He has been a celebrity and a national champion in elocution competition > and a brillinat sportsman too. > > Regards > > Om > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5008 (20100407) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Om, //Sometimes a bhava even with the mediocre bindus/points give good results when other factors are favourable.// This clearly shows that AV at best could an enabling factor and not a deciding factor. Regards, Krishna On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Om <astrops2122 wrote: > > > > Dear Wendy Ji > > Exactly the same I wanted to say but may be I could not convey it > properly. > > Astavarga can not override dasha/bhukti.Very true. > > It is a supporting or blocking factor like shadbala & transit up to a > certain extent only. > > Sometimes a bhava even with the mediocre bindus/points give good results > when other factors are favourable. > > This is the beauty of this divine science. > > Regards > > Om > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > " Mrs.Wendy " <jyotishvidya > wrote: > > > > > Dear Om, > > > > Very quickly here if I may. First, thank you for your comments, much > appreciated! > > > > ///What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to > assess > > the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited > > there like we use shadbalas./// > > > > This is an important point i.e. the use of shadbala (which we're all > familiar with) to assess the strengths. > > > > ///Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the > > astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very > > low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although > > exalted./// > > > > If I may quote from a little book I have " Ashtakavarga System of > Prediction " by B.V. Raman... > > **The Bhava occupied by Mercury (for instance) prospers provided > (that) > > a) Mercury is exalted or is in his own house having secured 1 to 3 > bindus. > > b) Mercury is debilitated, occupies an inimical sign or is in > combustion, having secured 4 or more bindus. > > under b) if the bindus are less than 4, the bhava cannot flourish > satisfactorily.** > > > > Of course I must add that I've not used this system enough to form an > educated opinion. > > > > ///He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three > and > > half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was > > exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V > > and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga./// > > > > Looking at this in regards to the dasas/transits at that time we can > see that 10th was not favorably supported. The dasa at the time was > JU-MO-JU-MO. Jupiter in 10th is conjunct Ketu who signifies unexpected > (intermittent) hindrances. > > At the time of " loss of position " , dasa lord Jupiter was transiting > 12th house of " Loss " in nakshatra of 6th lord Moon. Bhukti lord Moon, > occupying 12th from 10th (9th) was transiting his own position as the > dispositor of transit Ketu who was, at that time, occupying Moon's sign > in the 6th house of work. Moon himself was transiting nakshatra of Rahu > who, once again, was transiting 12th house of " Loss " closely conjunct > both Jupiter and Mars. Rahu himself is a significator for change > (separation, upheaval) etc.. > > > > I'm not for one moment saying that Ashtakavarga is not a worthwhile > technique in the hands of those experienced in this method. What I am > saying (and said earlier) is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal > predictive methods of dasa/transit. > > > > Best Wishes > > Mrs.Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > =================== > > BPHS Ch.1 > > Only good will follow the teaching of this > > science to the students who are peacefully > > disposed, who honor the preceptors > > (and elders), who speak only truth and who > > are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly > > will it be to impart knowledge of this science > > to an unwilling student, to a heterodox and > > to a crafty person. > > =================== > > > > > > > > > > > > Om > > Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:24 PM > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > > Re: Ashtakavarga > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balaji > > > > Pl allow me to say something in this matter. > > > > What I have observed that astavarga can be and should be used to > assess > > the strength of a bhava and thus the strength of the planet posited > > there like we use shadbalas. > > > > A bava with less than 20 points become weak and that with more than 32 > > points become strong.This is not the classical saying ,I am saying as > > per my own observations.More points more strength and viceversa. > > > > Thus if a planet is placed in exaltation but in that rashi if the > > astavarga points and the bhinnastakvarga points of that planet is very > > low,the planet will not or is not likely to give good results although > > exalted. > > > > But astavarga is just one aspect of astrology and not the only ! > > > > Example : DOB 4 Nov 1983,Friday > > > > TOB 13.40 PM > > > > POB Jamshedpur [Jharkhand > > state,India],22.48N,86.11E > > > > [ Birth data absolutely authentic and he was born as a normal > delievery > > baby and not a caesarean one ] > > > > This boy was once a very popular and successful radio announcer in an > FM > > Radio ,he is very humble,down to earth and God loving but has been > > absolutely jobless for the last more than a year. > > > > He got a job in another radio station for a brief period of three and > > half months and had to leave on 15 Feb 2009 when his 10L Mars was > > exalted in his 12H but this rashi/bhava has got only 20 points in A/V > > and the planet Mars has got only one point in its bhinnastakvarga. > > > > Now the same Mars is transiting in debilitation in Cancer but with a > > better astavarga points. I have predicted that by May-June 2010 he > will > > get a job of any sort. > > > > Of course other factors like aspect of Jupiter from Pisces on both the > > 10L & 10H from May 2010,aspect of Saturn on 10H,Jupiter's > > nakshaatra,MD,AD & PD : Jup-Mars-Saturn are also there. > > > > So loss of job when 10L is exalted and gain of job when 10L is > > debilitated ! > > > > Will it not be an interesting case if my prediction comes true ? > > > > Learned members can also throw some light on this chart as far as his > > job is concerned. > > > > He has been a celebrity and a national champion in elocution > competition > > and a brillinat sportsman too. > > > > Regards > > > > Om > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5008 (20100407) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Wendy ji, Thank you for your clear note on Ashtakavarga. ///The point is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal predictive methods of dasa/transit./// I generally dislike relying too much on math and find that the Udu dasa coupled with gochara shows all that one needs to know. Thanks once again for reaffirming this faith! :-) In fact, yesterday (Wednesday) I almost ran out to buy a book, probably because the day is ruled by impulsive Budha. But aspect of Sani on Budha in my chart made me decide to consult you, my Guru, and seek your comments before buying a book. Now, I have decided not to buy any asktakavarga book. BTW, the book in question was CS Patel's Ashtakavarga. Now, maybe I will buy his book on Navamsa on Saturday. Have you read this, BTW? How is it? __________________ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Om ji, Thanks for the explanation on Ashtakavarga. But as Wendy ji has pointed out, it can be seen from transits and dasas too. Maybe, Parasara created AV for those who love math! :-) One of my pals swears by this and he is extremely good at calculations. Also, the native lost job while running Bukti of Chandra, lord of the 6th. MD/PD lord Guru is occupying star of 8th lord Budha, who in turn is conjunct neecha Surya, lord of status and dispositor of 10th lord. And, as you say, the moment 10th lord Kuja comes out of neecha affliction in end May 2010, he will get a job,especially since 10th lord with aspect Lagna, while PD of uccha Lagnadipathi Sani is running, followed by Budha's PD, who occupies the 9th (solutions to problems). Personally, I believe in studying the rasi chart, looking at MD/AD/PD and transits of these three grahas with reference to both rasi and nakshatras. My predictions have been good, but I owe it more to aspect of 9th lord (divine grace) on 2nd (vak/speech) than on my own knowledge! :-) __________________ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Dear Balaji, ///BTW, the book in question was CS Patel's Ashtakavarga. Now, maybe I will buy his book on Navamsa on Saturday. Have you read this, BTW? How is it?/// No I haven't. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== BPHS Ch.1 Only good will follow the teaching of this science to the students who are peacefully disposed, who honor the preceptors (and elders), who speak only truth and who are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly will it be to impart knowledge of this science to an unwilling student, to a heterodox and to a crafty person. =================== Balaji Narasimhan Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:30 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Ashtakavarga Wendy ji, Thank you for your clear note on Ashtakavarga. ///The point is that I don't see A/V overriding the normal predictive methods of dasa/transit./// I generally dislike relying too much on math and find that the Udu dasa coupled with gochara shows all that one needs to know. Thanks once again for reaffirming this faith! :-) In fact, yesterday (Wednesday) I almost ran out to buy a book, probably because the day is ruled by impulsive Budha. But aspect of Sani on Budha in my chart made me decide to consult you, my Guru, and seek your comments before buying a book. Now, I have decided not to buy any asktakavarga book. BTW, the book in question was CS Patel's Ashtakavarga. Now, maybe I will buy his book on Navamsa on Saturday. Have you read this, BTW? How is it? __________________ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5011 (20100408) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Wendy ji, ///BTW, the book in question was CS Patel's Ashtakavarga. Now, maybe I will buy his book on Navamsa on Saturday. Have you read this, BTW? How is it?/// <<<No I haven't.>>> Well, my colleague just gifted it to me. Let me read it and see. astroamerica.com says his books are generally good. Here's the link: http://www.astroamerica.com/v-patel.html __________________ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Dear mr Bala Ji, Usage of Ashtakavarga apart from shadbala might be having numbers and they carry lot of significnace and provide indications as dasas progress the probabilities for the realisation wants and also for remedial purposes Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji Re: Ashtakavarga jyotish-vidya Thursday, April 8, 2010, 10:31 AM  Om ji, Thanks for the explanation on Ashtakavarga. But as Wendy ji has pointed out, it can be seen from transits and dasas too. Maybe, Parasara created AV for those who love math! :-) One of my pals swears by this and he is extremely good at calculations. Also, the native lost job while running Bukti of Chandra, lord of the 6th. MD/PD lord Guru is occupying star of 8th lord Budha, who in turn is conjunct neecha Surya, lord of status and dispositor of 10th lord. And, as you say, the moment 10th lord Kuja comes out of neecha affliction in end May 2010, he will get a job,especially since 10th lord with aspect Lagna, while PD of uccha Lagnadipathi Sani is running, followed by Budha's PD, who occupies the 9th (solutions to problems). Personally, I believe in studying the rasi chart, looking at MD/AD/PD and transits of these three grahas with reference to both rasi and nakshatras. My predictions have been good, but I owe it more to aspect of 9th lord (divine grace) on 2nd (vak/speech) than on my own knowledge! :-) ____________ ______ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji. ind.in/ Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Vattem Krishnan ji, ///Usage of Ashtakavarga apart from shadbala might be having numbers and they carry lot of significnace and provide indications as dasas progress the probabilities for the realisation wants and also for remedial purposes/// Very true. But as Wendy ji said, the standard appreciation of Udu Dasa and the significances of the grahas and houses cannot be overruled by Ashtakavarga. Classic case--I'm running BU-SA-GU. Guru is in Kumbha, with just 1 bindu. But while it is troubling me in terms of vehicles (today, 12 Apr, I pushed my moped because of a carburattor block; my bike also got puntured) because it is in the 6th from 4th, otherwise things are going fine. This is because it is in the divine 9th. __________________ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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