Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 To All, I have a question about one being scattered. Does anyone have a chart that shows scattered tendencies in their Rasi or Navamsa. I don't have a particular chart to offer. However, it would be helpful to not only look at the Rasi but the Navamsa as well. As always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Dear Uttara, I have a chart of someone I did my post-graduation on, a writer, an amazing woman, who lived last century and whose life was indeed scattered. Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social life. Her name's Vita Sackville-West. Her birth data is: March 9th, 1892 at 4.15AM in Knole (Sevenoaks, Kent) England Coordinates: 0E13 51N15 Asc: Sagittarius (Uttara Shada) I can give more info about her if our members find it interesting to study her chart. Please see the following poem below where she expresses that feeling so well in my view. Would this scattered feeling be what you had in mind when you posted this message? Warm regards, Rui. *Days I enjoy* User Rating: -- /10 (0 votes) - vote - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 [image: 0]Print friendly version<http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/vita-sackville-west/days-i-enjoy/> [image: 0]E-mail this poem to e friend<javascript:openHTML('/p/m/post_poem.asp?poem=29137','1','400','250')> [image: 0]Send this poem as eCard<http://www.poemhunter.com/ecard/1/prepare.asp?poem=29137> [image: 0]Add this poem to MyPoemList<http://www.poemhunter.com/p/MyPoemList/InEx.asp?Include=29137> Days I enjoy are days when nothing happens, When I have no engagements written on my block, When no one comes to disturb my inward peace, When no one comes to take me away from myself And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, Being so contrived that it takes too long a time To get myself back to myself when they have gone. The years are too strickly measured, and life too short For me to afford such bits of myself to my friends. And what have I to give my friends in the last resort? An awkwardness, a shyness, and a scrap, No thing that's truly me, a bootless waste, A waste of myself and them, for my life is mine And theirs presumably theirs, and cannot touch. V. S-W On 18 April 2010 22:13, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > > To All, > > I have a question about one being scattered. > > Does anyone have a chart that shows scattered tendencies in their Rasi or > Navamsa. > > I don't have a particular chart to offer. However, it would be helpful to > not only look at the Rasi but the Navamsa as well. > > As always, > > Uttara > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Dear Rui, How wonderful to hear from you again!!! Yes, this chart is good for study, and i look forward to the expansion of details from you. To answer you question about the essence of scattered, it comes in all shapes and sizes as they say, but what i was focusing on were two areas. One, where the chart is set up to reveal a true HADD, Hyper Attention Deficient and two, where the chart expresses one who is just scattered in thought and action. There are many of us that can seem scattered in thought but it is the action or the lack of follow through that gives one away. Thoughts are favorable. Thanks, Rui, As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > Dear Uttara, > > I have a chart of someone I did my post-graduation on, a writer, an amazing > woman, who lived last century and whose life was indeed scattered. Scattered > in her identity as a woman, her private and social life. Her name's Vita > Sackville-West. > > Her birth data is: > March 9th, 1892 > at 4.15AM > in Knole (Sevenoaks, Kent) England > Coordinates: 0E13 51N15 > Asc: Sagittarius (Uttara Shada) > > I can give more info about her if our members find it interesting to study > her chart. > > Please see the following poem below where she expresses that feeling so well > in my view. Would this scattered feeling be what you had in mind when you > posted this message? > > Warm regards, > > Rui. > > *Days I enjoy* > > User Rating: > > -- /10 > (0 votes) > > > > - vote - > 1 > 2 > > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > > 8 > 9 > 10 > > [image: 0]Print friendly > version<http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/vita-sackville-west/days-i-enjoy/> > [image: 0]E-mail this poem to e > friend<javascript:openHTML('/p/m/post_poem.asp?poem=29137','1','400','250')> > [image: 0]Send this poem as > eCard<http://www.poemhunter.com/ecard/1/prepare.asp?poem=29137> > [image: 0]Add this poem to > MyPoemList<http://www.poemhunter.com/p/MyPoemList/InEx.asp?Include=29137> > > Days I enjoy are days when nothing happens, > When I have no engagements written on my block, > When no one comes to disturb my inward peace, > When no one comes to take me away from myself > And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, > A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, > Being so contrived that it takes too long a time > To get myself back to myself when they have gone. > The years are too strickly measured, and life too short > For me to afford such bits of myself to my friends. > And what have I to give my friends in the last resort? > An awkwardness, a shyness, and a scrap, > No thing that's truly me, a bootless waste, > A waste of myself and them, for my life is mine > And theirs presumably theirs, and cannot touch. > > V. S-W > > > On 18 April 2010 22:13, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > > > > > > To All, > > > > I have a question about one being scattered. > > > > Does anyone have a chart that shows scattered tendencies in their Rasi or > > Navamsa. > > > > I don't have a particular chart to offer. However, it would be helpful to > > not only look at the Rasi but the Navamsa as well. > > > > As always, > > > > Uttara > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 To All, I should add that scattered means too, someone who constantly looses things or is a absent minded professor. As you can see, scattered can mean a wide variety of things and events. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > Dear Rui, > > How wonderful to hear from you again!!! > > Yes, this chart is good for study, and i look forward to the expansion of details from you. > > To answer you question about the essence of scattered, it comes in all shapes and sizes as they say, but what i was focusing on were two areas. > > One, where the chart is set up to reveal a true HADD, Hyper Attention Deficient and two, where the chart expresses one who is just scattered > in thought and action. There are many of us that can seem scattered in thought but it is the action or the lack of follow through that gives one away. > > Thoughts are favorable. > > Thanks, Rui, > > As Always, > > Uttara > > jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > Dear Uttara, > > > > I have a chart of someone I did my post-graduation on, a writer, an amazing > > woman, who lived last century and whose life was indeed scattered. Scattered > > in her identity as a woman, her private and social life. Her name's Vita > > Sackville-West. > > > > Her birth data is: > > March 9th, 1892 > > at 4.15AM > > in Knole (Sevenoaks, Kent) England > > Coordinates: 0E13 51N15 > > Asc: Sagittarius (Uttara Shada) > > > > I can give more info about her if our members find it interesting to study > > her chart. > > > > Please see the following poem below where she expresses that feeling so well > > in my view. Would this scattered feeling be what you had in mind when you > > posted this message? > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Rui. > > > > *Days I enjoy* > > > > User Rating: > > > > -- /10 > > (0 votes) > > > > > > > > - vote - > > 1 > > 2 > > > > 3 > > 4 > > 5 > > 6 > > 7 > > > > 8 > > 9 > > 10 > > > > [image: 0]Print friendly > > version<http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/vita-sackville-west/days-i-enjoy/> > > [image: 0]E-mail this poem to e > > friend<javascript:openHTML('/p/m/post_poem.asp?poem=29137','1','400','250')> > > [image: 0]Send this poem as > > eCard<http://www.poemhunter.com/ecard/1/prepare.asp?poem=29137> > > [image: 0]Add this poem to > > MyPoemList<http://www.poemhunter.com/p/MyPoemList/InEx.asp?Include=29137> > > > > Days I enjoy are days when nothing happens, > > When I have no engagements written on my block, > > When no one comes to disturb my inward peace, > > When no one comes to take me away from myself > > And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, > > A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, > > Being so contrived that it takes too long a time > > To get myself back to myself when they have gone. > > The years are too strickly measured, and life too short > > For me to afford such bits of myself to my friends. > > And what have I to give my friends in the last resort? > > An awkwardness, a shyness, and a scrap, > > No thing that's truly me, a bootless waste, > > A waste of myself and them, for my life is mine > > And theirs presumably theirs, and cannot touch. > > > > V. S-W > > > > > > On 18 April 2010 22:13, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > I have a question about one being scattered. > > > > > > Does anyone have a chart that shows scattered tendencies in their Rasi or > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > I don't have a particular chart to offer. However, it would be helpful to > > > not only look at the Rasi but the Navamsa as well. > > > > > > As always, > > > > > > Uttara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Dear Rui and All, I just had the benefit of reading the poem once again and find that there is more to this person's psychological personality than being scattered. More of a disconnection with a sense of self; a dissatisfaction or lack of self esteem; a depression of self. A flat affect. Overwhelmed with having to give of self not clearly define can be a scattered person but more likely a depression of self identity. I wonder what her learning environment was like growing up. Obviously, the chart will hold clues but the message is clear. To have a lack or an unclear definition of self, to feel overwhelmed and depressed would make one feel incongruent to others and feel imposed upon to produce a sense of self to others in authentic thought, time and action. Rather the safety of self is wanting to and seeking out to protect its sense of true self from being exposed by being in isolation and grieving disillusionment. Rui, I would like to have more background on this person as you say you have information to share. I will research her name also. In the meantime, I will make up this chart this evening and give it my best thorough study this week. I also look forward to members input and analysis. It's an interesting chart from what I can see of it so far. The Pisces Jupiter in Own hse and Cancer Moon in own hse shows the watery disconnect. with Jupiter who is aspected by Saturn and Mars showing conflict in approach and frustrated desires aspecting the Moon too. Mercury combust adds to the problem of 3rd hse of communications.. Home and Mother watery in a introspective loss of sound creative Pisces. Dad's mind too combust in a world social order Aquarius opposite Leo/ruler Sun. the Rahu/Ketu axis on 5th hse creativity and 11th hse of friends and hopes and desires is very important too. There could also be a creative illusion of willy thoughts of fancy and " fairy dusting dancing " to secure one in living outside of self. I can imagine that the over the head flightiness and artistic flare of intuitiveness at its most potent times turned heads of many admirers as much as she herself was struggling to keep face. There would be a lot of religious connotations too, I believe. It reminds me of a poet who eventually committed suicide. But, for the life of me, I can't seem to recall the name. Thanks, Rui. As always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > Dear Uttara, > > I have a chart of someone I did my post-graduation on, a writer, an amazing > woman, who lived last century and whose life was indeed scattered. Scattered > in her identity as a woman, her private and social life. Her name's Vita > Sackville-West. > > Her birth data is: > March 9th, 1892 > at 4.15AM > in Knole (Sevenoaks, Kent) England > Coordinates: 0E13 51N15 > Asc: Sagittarius (Uttara Shada) > > I can give more info about her if our members find it interesting to study > her chart. > > Please see the following poem below where she expresses that feeling so well > in my view. Would this scattered feeling be what you had in mind when you > posted this message? > > Warm regards, > > Rui. > > *Days I enjoy* > > User Rating: > > -- /10 > (0 votes) > > > > - vote - > 1 > 2 > > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > > 8 > 9 > 10 > > [image: 0]Print friendly > version<http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/vita-sackville-west/days-i-enjoy/> > [image: 0]E-mail this poem to e > friend<javascript:openHTML('/p/m/post_poem.asp?poem=29137','1','400','250')> > [image: 0]Send this poem as > eCard<http://www.poemhunter.com/ecard/1/prepare.asp?poem=29137> > [image: 0]Add this poem to > MyPoemList<http://www.poemhunter.com/p/MyPoemList/InEx.asp?Include=29137> > > Days I enjoy are days when nothing happens, > When I have no engagements written on my block, > When no one comes to disturb my inward peace, > When no one comes to take me away from myself > And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, > A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, > Being so contrived that it takes too long a time > To get myself back to myself when they have gone. > The years are too strickly measured, and life too short > For me to afford such bits of myself to my friends. > And what have I to give my friends in the last resort? > An awkwardness, a shyness, and a scrap, > No thing that's truly me, a bootless waste, > A waste of myself and them, for my life is mine > And theirs presumably theirs, and cannot touch. > > V. S-W > > > On 18 April 2010 22:13, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > > > > > > To All, > > > > I have a question about one being scattered. > > > > Does anyone have a chart that shows scattered tendencies in their Rasi or > > Navamsa. > > > > I don't have a particular chart to offer. However, it would be helpful to > > not only look at the Rasi but the Navamsa as well. > > > > As always, > > > > Uttara > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Rui ji, An interesting chart! :-) BTW, I am using data from http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sackville-West,_Victoria which has a AA Rodden Rating. Slighgtlyu different from yours, but I still got Lagna in Uttarashada. Some notes: * Vargotamma Lagna * The 3rd lord in the 10th gave her writing skills, and Budha in the 3rd gave her a turn for poetry. * Sukra, another karaka for poetry, occupies the 5th [creativity]. Apart from her writings, Wikipedia devotes a large section to her numerous affairs. Sometime back, we had a discussion on how the kama bhavas, when associated with either the dharma bhavas or the moksha bhavas, lead to perversions. Here, 12 L Kuja [sexual malpractices] occupies lagna in star of Ketu, who occupies kama bhava 11th (12th from 12th), which perhaps gave her her numerous affairs, including her passionate affairs with Virginia Woolf. The strength of the Kama Bhavas too is to be noted here--7L in 3, 11L conjunct Rahu. The chart does have spiritual significances, with 4L and 8L in own houses, and 12L in lagna in star of Moksha Karaka Ketu. But 9th lord in a kama bhava seems to have had a detrimental impact here. Wikipedia says that The Edwardians (1930) and All Passion Spent (1931) are perhaps her best known novels today. These happened in Sk-Sk; she also had an affair with Hilda Matheson, head of the BBC Talks Department and journalist Evelyn Irons around this time. Mark Sukra occupying the 5th [creativity] along with passionate 3rd lord Rahu! Her poetry started during Bu-Sk (1909), while Bu-Sa saw the novel Heritage (1919) being published. She died during CH-Bu-Sa in 1962. Now, why was her life " scattered " ? * 12L in Lagna? * Aspect of 12L on Chandra? * Combustion of Budha? You wrote: ///Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social life./// She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from wrong--medically known as insanity. Wikipedia says that /// " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep with Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it out, " she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the two relationships: " I really was innocent. " /// This happened during Bu-Ku. Budha is known for Viveka--the ability to tell right from wrong--and here, since he is combust, he seems to have lost this ability. Is this what made her scattered? __________________ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Dear Uttara and Balaji and all, It is great to hear from you again. I have been here all the time too, just silent as I do not have the time, peace and quiet I used to have anymore to write. ///It reminds me of a poet who eventually committed suicide. But, for the life of me, I can't seem to recall the name./// I believe the poet you are thinking of is Sylvia Plath? ///I just had the benefit of reading the poem once again and find that there is more to this person's psychological personality than being scattered. More of a disconnection with a sense of self; a dissatisfaction or lack of self esteem; a depression of self. A flat affect. Overwhelmed with having to give of self not clearly define can be a scattered person but more likely a depression of self identity./// Yes, there is dissatisfaction and depression. This poem was written during her later years when her health was failing her, compared to her healthy youth. Also, after her many intimate relationships, she comes to the conclusion that 'there is no possibility of contact, except in a brief delusion'. This is a sad and shocking statement, I know it, but we have to respect the way other people see the world and relationships. I think this poem is quite representative of someone whose life and mind are scattered. I have looked up the meaning of scattered just in case to see had I got it wrong since English is not my native language and this is what I came up with: ///To cause to separate and go in different directions./// > When no one comes to take me away from myself > And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, > A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, > Being so contrived that it takes too long a time > To get myself back to myself when they have gone. I think this passage reveals a scattered state of mind and knowing about Vita's life I thought this would be would be a good example of a chart of someone whose life was scattered. Balaji has also revealed more about her like her love life, which would, in my opinion, reveal how scattered a life she lead. You can see Rahu conjunct Venus in the 5th house of romance. I know it is not a close conjunction but is still there, plus as I think Balaji mentioned (must read his post again), Venus is in Ketu's star and Ketu is in 11th, which would explain the many affairs. But I think what Rahu does here (so near the cusp of the 5th) is that it constitutes a compulsion to having these romances... Like an obsession, a madness, a craze, something she would find hard to fight. ///I wonder what her learning environment was like growing up. Obviously, the chart will hold clues but the message is clear./// Vita grew up in a lonely environment, surrounded by books and old family portraits at Knole, the stately home where she was born but could not inherit because she was not born a male. The fact that she could not inherit her beloved Knole is perhaps the root of all dissatisfaction. She started writing at a very early age. I have to go now but I will be posting more later and also reply to Balaji's post. Believe me, I do wish I had more time and my life and mind was not so scattered now! This is the main reason I have become so silent as I seldom have peace to write - maybe that is why Vita's poem resonated so much... Warm regards, Rui. On 19 April 2010 23:57, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > > Dear Rui and All, > > I just had the benefit of reading the poem once again and find that there > is more to this person's psychological personality than being scattered. > More of a disconnection with a sense of self; a dissatisfaction or lack of > self esteem; a depression of self. A flat affect. Overwhelmed with having to > give of self not clearly define can be a scattered person but more likely a > depression of self identity. > > I wonder what her learning environment was like growing up. Obviously, the > chart will hold clues but the message is clear. > > To have a lack or an unclear definition of self, to feel overwhelmed and > depressed would make one feel incongruent to others and feel imposed upon to > produce a sense of self to others in authentic thought, time and action. > > Rather the safety of self is wanting to and seeking out to protect its > sense of true self from being exposed by being in isolation and grieving > disillusionment. > > Rui, I would like to have more background on this person as you say you > have information to share. I will research her name also. In the meantime, I > will make up this chart this evening and give it my best thorough study this > week. > I also look forward to members input and analysis. > > It's an interesting chart from what I can see of it so far. > The Pisces Jupiter in Own hse and Cancer Moon in own hse shows the watery > disconnect. with Jupiter who is aspected by Saturn and Mars showing conflict > in approach and frustrated desires aspecting the Moon too. Mercury combust > adds to the problem of 3rd hse of communications.. Home and Mother watery in > a introspective loss of sound creative Pisces. Dad's mind too combust in a > world social order Aquarius opposite Leo/ruler Sun. the Rahu/Ketu axis on > 5th hse creativity and 11th hse of friends and hopes and desires is very > important too. > > There could also be a creative illusion of willy thoughts of fancy > and " fairy dusting dancing " to secure one in living outside of self. I can > imagine that the over the head flightiness and artistic flare of > intuitiveness at its most potent times turned heads of many admirers as much > as she herself was struggling to keep face. There would be a lot of > religious connotations too, I believe. > > It reminds me of a poet who eventually committed suicide. But, for the life > of me, I can't seem to recall the name. > > Thanks, Rui. > > > As always, > Uttara > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > > > Dear Uttara, > > > > I have a chart of someone I did my post-graduation on, a writer, an > amazing > > woman, who lived last century and whose life was indeed scattered. > Scattered > > in her identity as a woman, her private and social life. Her name's Vita > > Sackville-West. > > > > Her birth data is: > > March 9th, 1892 > > at 4.15AM > > in Knole (Sevenoaks, Kent) England > > Coordinates: 0E13 51N15 > > Asc: Sagittarius (Uttara Shada) > > > > I can give more info about her if our members find it interesting to > study > > her chart. > > > > Please see the following poem below where she expresses that feeling so > well > > in my view. Would this scattered feeling be what you had in mind when you > > posted this message? > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Rui. > > > > *Days I enjoy* > > > > User Rating: > > > > -- /10 > > (0 votes) > > > > > > > > - vote - > > 1 > > 2 > > > > 3 > > 4 > > 5 > > 6 > > 7 > > > > 8 > > 9 > > 10 > > > > [image: 0]Print friendly > > version< > http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/vita-sackville-west/days-i-enjoy/> > > [image: 0]E-mail this poem to e > > > friend<javascript:openHTML('/p/m/post_poem.asp?poem=29137','1','400','250')> > > [image: 0]Send this poem as > > eCard<http://www.poemhunter.com/ecard/1/prepare.asp?poem=29137> > > [image: 0]Add this poem to > > MyPoemList<http://www.poemhunter.com/p/MyPoemList/InEx.asp?Include=29137 > > > > > > Days I enjoy are days when nothing happens, > > When I have no engagements written on my block, > > When no one comes to disturb my inward peace, > > When no one comes to take me away from myself > > And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, > > A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, > > Being so contrived that it takes too long a time > > To get myself back to myself when they have gone. > > The years are too strickly measured, and life too short > > For me to afford such bits of myself to my friends. > > And what have I to give my friends in the last resort? > > An awkwardness, a shyness, and a scrap, > > No thing that's truly me, a bootless waste, > > A waste of myself and them, for my life is mine > > And theirs presumably theirs, and cannot touch. > > > > V. S-W > > > > > > On 18 April 2010 22:13, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > I have a question about one being scattered. > > > > > > Does anyone have a chart that shows scattered tendencies in their Rasi > or > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > I don't have a particular chart to offer. However, it would be helpful > to > > > not only look at the Rasi but the Navamsa as well. > > > > > > As always, > > > > > > Uttara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Balaji ji, Thank you for sharing that wikipedia link with us but unfortunately there a a lot of inaccuracies. For example, Vita never was a member of the Bloomsbury Group. Her husband's name was not Nicholson and the love affair with Violet was not made public until the 70ies, so it should not have raised that many eyebrows in England at that time, except of course among the ones involved. Plus in those days and in their social circle, these affairs happened all the time. Also mentions Knole to be a Gothic manor house, when in fact Knole was built during the Renaissance. It goes on to say: 'They [Vita and husband] considered lineage, wealth and titles important in their social circle and stayed clear of the middle class.' This is not the case. Many of Vita's friends had no titles and if Vita stayed away from any type of class, that was her own aristocratic peers, whom she disliked, which is exactly the opposite to what is said in this wikipedia article. The author of this wikipedia article also fails to reveal that despite the many affairs Vita had, it was her husband she loved, and they were devoted to each other. You wrote: ///She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from wrong--medically known as insanity. Wikipedia says that/// " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep with Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it out, " she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the two relationships: " I really was innocent. " /// I cannot find any of the quotes above on wikipedia, I would like to as to say she did not know right from wrong and was therefore insane is rather a very strong statement. Please could you let me know where in Wikipedia you got these quotes? As for her being scattered, I do not understand why this is so hard to realize. I thought her poem revealed that perfectly. Many thanks, Rui. On 20 April 2010 12:07, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > > Rui ji, > > An interesting chart! :-) > > BTW, I am using data from > http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sackville-West,_Victoria which has a > AA Rodden Rating. Slighgtlyu different from yours, but I still got Lagna in > Uttarashada. > > Some notes: > > * Vargotamma Lagna > > * The 3rd lord in the 10th gave her writing skills, and Budha in the 3rd > gave her a turn for poetry. > > * Sukra, another karaka for poetry, occupies the 5th [creativity]. > > Apart from her writings, Wikipedia devotes a large section to her numerous > affairs. Sometime back, we had a discussion on how the kama bhavas, when > associated with either the dharma bhavas or the moksha bhavas, lead to > perversions. Here, 12 L Kuja [sexual malpractices] occupies lagna in star of > Ketu, who occupies kama bhava 11th (12th from 12th), which perhaps gave her > her numerous affairs, including her passionate affairs with Virginia Woolf. > The strength of the Kama Bhavas too is to be noted here--7L in 3, 11L > conjunct Rahu. > > The chart does have spiritual significances, with 4L and 8L in own houses, > and 12L in lagna in star of Moksha Karaka Ketu. But 9th lord in a kama bhava > seems to have had a detrimental impact here. > > Wikipedia says that The Edwardians (1930) and All Passion Spent (1931) are > perhaps her best known novels today. These happened in Sk-Sk; she also had > an affair with Hilda Matheson, head of the BBC Talks Department and > journalist Evelyn Irons around this time. Mark Sukra occupying the 5th > [creativity] along with passionate 3rd lord Rahu! > > Her poetry started during Bu-Sk (1909), while Bu-Sa saw the novel Heritage > (1919) being published. She died during CH-Bu-Sa in 1962. > > Now, why was her life " scattered " ? > > * 12L in Lagna? > > * Aspect of 12L on Chandra? > > * Combustion of Budha? > > You wrote: > > ///Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social life./// > > She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from wrong--medically > known as insanity. Wikipedia says that > > /// > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep with > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it out, " > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the two > relationships: " I really was innocent. " > > /// > > This happened during Bu-Ku. Budha is known for Viveka--the ability to tell > right from wrong--and here, since he is combust, he seems to have lost this > ability. > > Is this what made her scattered? > __________________ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Dear Rui, It is interesting for sure.5L of relationships in lagna while 5H is with ven with Rah!!Kama trikona houses(3,7,11) are all conected someway or other.Mars as 5/12L(relationships/seperation) in lagna in a kendra from both jup and sat has a lot to do in her life.When all kamatrikona houses are conected one will have many relationships/marriages. There is an interesting exchange between 3L of Kama(desire) and 10L of karma also involving 9Lof bhagya(luck).No wonder she had enough. May be this is a good example of scattered life with Rerto Sat2/3L in 10th in mutual asp with jup 1/4L.Mo in the star of sat does not allow one to settle in life but in this case jup1,4 is aspg both mo and sat. Sat's retrogression has spoiled a beautiful life into a scattered life is my understanding.!!... Love and regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > Balaji ji, > > Thank you for sharing that wikipedia link with us but unfortunately there a > a lot of inaccuracies. For example, Vita never was a member of the > Bloomsbury Group. Her husband's name was not Nicholson and the love affair > with Violet was not made public until the 70ies, so it should not have > raised that many eyebrows in England at that time, except of course among > the ones involved. Plus in those days and in their social circle, these > affairs happened all the time. Also mentions Knole to be a Gothic manor > house, when in fact Knole was built during the Renaissance. It goes on to > say: 'They [Vita and husband] considered lineage, wealth and titles > important in their social circle and stayed clear of the middle class.' This > is not the case. Many of Vita's friends had no titles and if Vita stayed > away from any type of class, that was her own aristocratic peers, whom she > disliked, which is exactly the opposite to what is said in this wikipedia > article. The author of this wikipedia article also fails to reveal that > despite the many affairs Vita had, it was her husband she loved, and they > were devoted to each other. > > You wrote: > ///She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from > wrong--medically known as insanity. Wikipedia says that/// > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep with > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it out, " > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the two > relationships: " I really was innocent. " /// > > I cannot find any of the quotes above on wikipedia, I would like to as to > say she did not know right from wrong and was therefore insane is rather a > very strong statement. Please could you let me know where in Wikipedia you > got these quotes? > > As for her being scattered, I do not understand why this is so hard to > realize. I thought her poem revealed that perfectly. > > Many thanks, > > Rui. > > > > On 20 April 2010 12:07, Balaji Narasimhan sherlockbalaji wrote: > > > > > > > Rui ji, > > > > An interesting chart! :-) > > > > BTW, I am using data from > > http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sackville-West,_Victoria which has a > > AA Rodden Rating. Slighgtlyu different from yours, but I still got Lagna in > > Uttarashada. > > > > Some notes: > > > > * Vargotamma Lagna > > > > * The 3rd lord in the 10th gave her writing skills, and Budha in the 3rd > > gave her a turn for poetry. > > > > * Sukra, another karaka for poetry, occupies the 5th [creativity]. > > > > Apart from her writings, Wikipedia devotes a large section to her numerous > > affairs. Sometime back, we had a discussion on how the kama bhavas, when > > associated with either the dharma bhavas or the moksha bhavas, lead to > > perversions. Here, 12 L Kuja [sexual malpractices] occupies lagna in star of > > Ketu, who occupies kama bhava 11th (12th from 12th), which perhaps gave her > > her numerous affairs, including her passionate affairs with Virginia Woolf. > > The strength of the Kama Bhavas too is to be noted here--7L in 3, 11L > > conjunct Rahu. > > > > The chart does have spiritual significances, with 4L and 8L in own houses, > > and 12L in lagna in star of Moksha Karaka Ketu. But 9th lord in a kama bhava > > seems to have had a detrimental impact here. > > > > Wikipedia says that The Edwardians (1930) and All Passion Spent (1931) are > > perhaps her best known novels today. These happened in Sk-Sk; she also had > > an affair with Hilda Matheson, head of the BBC Talks Department and > > journalist Evelyn Irons around this time. Mark Sukra occupying the 5th > > [creativity] along with passionate 3rd lord Rahu! > > > > Her poetry started during Bu-Sk (1909), while Bu-Sa saw the novel Heritage > > (1919) being published. She died during CH-Bu-Sa in 1962. > > > > Now, why was her life " scattered " ? > > > > * 12L in Lagna? > > > > * Aspect of 12L on Chandra? > > > > * Combustion of Budha? > > > > You wrote: > > > > ///Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social life./// > > > > She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from wrong--medically > > known as insanity. Wikipedia says that > > > > /// > > > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep with > > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it out, " > > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the two > > relationships: " I really was innocent. " > > > > /// > > > > This happened during Bu-Ku. Budha is known for Viveka--the ability to tell > > right from wrong--and here, since he is combust, he seems to have lost this > > ability. > > > > Is this what made her scattered? > > __________________ > > Balaji Narasimhan > > Author & Editor > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Dear Gopi, Yes, I agree with you. Saturn causes separation, dispersement. In her chart, the Moon (Mind) is in Retrograde's Saturn's star and Mercury is in Jupiter's star who is exactly aspected by Retrograde Saturn. In addition, Jupiter is the 1st lord of the self. And the Sun (karaka for the self) too is in Jupiter's star. Therefore it seems that this sense of dispersement or feeling of being scattered affects not only her mind and thoughts but also her entire self. Love and regards, Rui. On 20 April 2010 19:26, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > Dear Rui, > It is interesting for sure.5L of relationships in lagna while 5H is with > ven with Rah!!Kama trikona houses(3,7,11) are all conected someway or > other.Mars as 5/12L(relationships/seperation) in lagna in a kendra from > both jup and sat has a lot to do in her life.When all kamatrikona houses > are conected one will have many relationships/marriages. > There is an interesting exchange between 3L of Kama(desire) and 10L of > karma also involving 9Lof bhagya(luck).No wonder she had enough. > May be this is a good example of scattered life with Rerto Sat2/3L in > 10th in mutual asp with jup 1/4L.Mo in the star of sat does not allow > one to settle in life but in this case jup1,4 is aspg both mo and sat. > Sat's retrogression has spoiled a beautiful life into a scattered life > is my understanding.!!... > Love and regards, > gopi. > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > > > Balaji ji, > > > > Thank you for sharing that wikipedia link with us but unfortunately > there a > > a lot of inaccuracies. For example, Vita never was a member of the > > Bloomsbury Group. Her husband's name was not Nicholson and the love > affair > > with Violet was not made public until the 70ies, so it should not have > > raised that many eyebrows in England at that time, except of course > among > > the ones involved. Plus in those days and in their social circle, > these > > affairs happened all the time. Also mentions Knole to be a Gothic > manor > > house, when in fact Knole was built during the Renaissance. It goes on > to > > say: 'They [Vita and husband] considered lineage, wealth and titles > > important in their social circle and stayed clear of the middle > class.' This > > is not the case. Many of Vita's friends had no titles and if Vita > stayed > > away from any type of class, that was her own aristocratic peers, whom > she > > disliked, which is exactly the opposite to what is said in this > wikipedia > > article. The author of this wikipedia article also fails to reveal > that > > despite the many affairs Vita had, it was her husband she loved, and > they > > were devoted to each other. > > > > You wrote: > > ///She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from > > wrong--medically known as insanity. Wikipedia says that/// > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep > with > > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it > out, " > > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the > two > > relationships: " I really was innocent. " /// > > > > I cannot find any of the quotes above on wikipedia, I would like to as > to > > say she did not know right from wrong and was therefore insane is > rather a > > very strong statement. Please could you let me know where in Wikipedia > you > > got these quotes? > > > > As for her being scattered, I do not understand why this is so hard to > > realize. I thought her poem revealed that perfectly. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > On 20 April 2010 12:07, Balaji Narasimhan sherlockbalaji wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Rui ji, > > > > > > An interesting chart! :-) > > > > > > BTW, I am using data from > > > http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sackville-West,_Victoria which > has a > > > AA Rodden Rating. Slighgtlyu different from yours, but I still got > Lagna in > > > Uttarashada. > > > > > > Some notes: > > > > > > * Vargotamma Lagna > > > > > > * The 3rd lord in the 10th gave her writing skills, and Budha in the > 3rd > > > gave her a turn for poetry. > > > > > > * Sukra, another karaka for poetry, occupies the 5th [creativity]. > > > > > > Apart from her writings, Wikipedia devotes a large section to her > numerous > > > affairs. Sometime back, we had a discussion on how the kama bhavas, > when > > > associated with either the dharma bhavas or the moksha bhavas, lead > to > > > perversions. Here, 12 L Kuja [sexual malpractices] occupies lagna in > star of > > > Ketu, who occupies kama bhava 11th (12th from 12th), which perhaps > gave her > > > her numerous affairs, including her passionate affairs with Virginia > Woolf. > > > The strength of the Kama Bhavas too is to be noted here--7L in 3, > 11L > > > conjunct Rahu. > > > > > > The chart does have spiritual significances, with 4L and 8L in own > houses, > > > and 12L in lagna in star of Moksha Karaka Ketu. But 9th lord in a > kama bhava > > > seems to have had a detrimental impact here. > > > > > > Wikipedia says that The Edwardians (1930) and All Passion Spent > (1931) are > > > perhaps her best known novels today. These happened in Sk-Sk; she > also had > > > an affair with Hilda Matheson, head of the BBC Talks Department and > > > journalist Evelyn Irons around this time. Mark Sukra occupying the > 5th > > > [creativity] along with passionate 3rd lord Rahu! > > > > > > Her poetry started during Bu-Sk (1909), while Bu-Sa saw the novel > Heritage > > > (1919) being published. She died during CH-Bu-Sa in 1962. > > > > > > Now, why was her life " scattered " ? > > > > > > * 12L in Lagna? > > > > > > * Aspect of 12L on Chandra? > > > > > > * Combustion of Budha? > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > ///Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social > life./// > > > > > > She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from > wrong--medically > > > known as insanity. Wikipedia says that > > > > > > /// > > > > > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep > with > > > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find > it out, " > > > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between > the two > > > relationships: " I really was innocent. " > > > > > > /// > > > > > > This happened during Bu-Ku. Budha is known for Viveka--the ability > to tell > > > right from wrong--and here, since he is combust, he seems to have > lost this > > > ability. > > > > > > Is this what made her scattered? > > > __________________ > > > Balaji Narasimhan > > > Author & Editor > > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Dear Balaji, Rui and Others, I have taken great interest in your analysis Balaji, but I have to disagree about the “Insanity†reference. I do not feel that Vita was Insane. Rather, in reflection to her notes of later years she reflected quite accurately her guilt and reservation for the action and intent of her behavior when younger. This shows a conscious. Whereas, insanity reasons and acts out of a narrow perspective of selflessness of no empathy or conscious of actions or repercussions. In medical terms, today, the term Insanity is often not used when modern science has identified that various mental illness of psychosis is defined in very particular ways of disconnect of action and result. Clearly, Vita made a choice, no matter how immature at the time, but a recognition of actions, reactions and consequences in her later writings. I too, made a research scan on this individual after my initial assessment and found as you have Baliji, some very interesting fondness to actions. However, I do not feel that Vita was insane or inaccurate in her projections. Rather, I see a women who was compromised for her lack of self identity. This then with a learning environment accentuated by her love ones, of a disconnect of self, of being a true self. Scattered in this way is expressed in her own insecurity of self and desires. As I stated Yesterday, after reading her poem, it spoke volumes of a disconnect and a foundation of self. When I did read her background, it stands to reason her conflict and indesivesness paticurily of the way and expectations of being raised along with the abandonment/betrayal of self in her beloved home where she felt the most secure. Scatterness then becomes a dominate factor in the incongruent of her life and I feel plays out well, never the less the conflict and compromise of being less than. If you beg my delay in giving actual planet and house aspect to Rasi and Navamsa along with 22nd dekanna, you will find that the chart supports a disconnect of self as well as a disconnect in balance along with abandoned compulsions which in reality displayed itself in action and thought as well as a lack of understanding the consequences at the time but found itself in later reflection. Insanity, has no empathy or conscious. It is completely absorbs and inclusive. As Always, Uttara p.s. yes, Rui, I was thinking of Sylvia Path at first thought but when I read Ms West’s background and found she had a relationship with Virginia Wolf, it confirmed where I was honing in on with Ms wolf’s birth chart in JV’S database. Thanks for confirming. jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Balaji Narasimhan Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:07 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Scattered Rui ji, An interesting chart! :-) BTW, I am using data from http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sackville-West,_Victoria which has a AA Rodden Rating. Slighgtlyu different from yours, but I still got Lagna in Uttarashada. Some notes: * Vargotamma Lagna * The 3rd lord in the 10th gave her writing skills, and Budha in the 3rd gave her a turn for poetry. * Sukra, another karaka for poetry, occupies the 5th [creativity]. Apart from her writings, Wikipedia devotes a large section to her numerous affairs. Sometime back, we had a discussion on how the kama bhavas, when associated with either the dharma bhavas or the moksha bhavas, lead to perversions. Here, 12 L Kuja [sexual malpractices] occupies lagna in star of Ketu, who occupies kama bhava 11th (12th from 12th), which perhaps gave her her numerous affairs, including her passionate affairs with Virginia Woolf. The strength of the Kama Bhavas too is to be noted here--7L in 3, 11L conjunct Rahu. The chart does have spiritual significances, with 4L and 8L in own houses, and 12L in lagna in star of Moksha Karaka Ketu. But 9th lord in a kama bhava seems to have had a detrimental impact here. Wikipedia says that The Edwardians (1930) and All Passion Spent (1931) are perhaps her best known novels today. These happened in Sk-Sk; she also had an affair with Hilda Matheson, head of the BBC Talks Department and journalist Evelyn Irons around this time. Mark Sukra occupying the 5th [creativity] along with passionate 3rd lord Rahu! Her poetry started during Bu-Sk (1909), while Bu-Sa saw the novel Heritage (1919) being published. She died during CH-Bu-Sa in 1962. Now, why was her life " scattered " ? * 12L in Lagna? * Aspect of 12L on Chandra? * Combustion of Budha? You wrote: ///Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social life./// She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from wrong--medically known as insanity. Wikipedia says that /// " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep with Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it out, " she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the two relationships: " I really was innocent. " /// This happened during Bu-Ku. Budha is known for Viveka--the ability to tell right from wrong--and here, since he is combust, he seems to have lost this ability. Is this what made her scattered? __________________ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Dear Rui, .....///As for her being scattered, I do not understand why this is so hard to > > realize. I thought her poem revealed that perfectly.../// From my perspective, you have chosen a very complex chart to highlight scatterness, although, the involvement of such a psyche does portray a scatterness in a depth of pychosis. Excellent study for all!!! Rather, I think what others are looking for is a more demonstrated action of scattered life in daily action. dropping keys, not being able to finish a project or interest, being easily sueded but falls through the intent of conclusion etc. Ms West's chart show a deep complex personality of many different subjective objections, complusions and intent. Only later maybe on reflection can she try to put into some perspective of reason wit maturity. This is something that we all do, but in Ms west's world her actions were totally absent of consequences of the time or others. It was purely her way of acting out and trying to claim a sense of self. No matter what. In other words the end justifies the end. Look at her Sag ASC opposite dual Gemini. I will leave it here for now because i do not have the chart in front of me or references to support what i feel I am seeing. However, I feel this is an excellent chart of study on many different levels and I will leave it to other members who would like to explore this for the welfare of JV group as a whole. In the meantime, thank you. As always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > Balaji ji, > > Thank you for sharing that wikipedia link with us but unfortunately there a > a lot of inaccuracies. For example, Vita never was a member of the > Bloomsbury Group. Her husband's name was not Nicholson and the love affair > with Violet was not made public until the 70ies, so it should not have > raised that many eyebrows in England at that time, except of course among > the ones involved. Plus in those days and in their social circle, these > affairs happened all the time. Also mentions Knole to be a Gothic manor > house, when in fact Knole was built during the Renaissance. It goes on to > say: 'They [Vita and husband] considered lineage, wealth and titles > important in their social circle and stayed clear of the middle class.' This > is not the case. Many of Vita's friends had no titles and if Vita stayed > away from any type of class, that was her own aristocratic peers, whom she > disliked, which is exactly the opposite to what is said in this wikipedia > article. The author of this wikipedia article also fails to reveal that > despite the many affairs Vita had, it was her husband she loved, and they > were devoted to each other. > > You wrote: > ///She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from > wrong--medically known as insanity. Wikipedia says that/// > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep with > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it out, " > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the two > relationships: " I really was innocent. " /// > > I cannot find any of the quotes above on wikipedia, I would like to as to > say she did not know right from wrong and was therefore insane is rather a > very strong statement. Please could you let me know where in Wikipedia you > got these quotes? > > As for her being scattered, I do not understand why this is so hard to > realize. I thought her poem revealed that perfectly. > > Many thanks, > > Rui. > > > > On 20 April 2010 12:07, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > > > > > > Rui ji, > > > > An interesting chart! :-) > > > > BTW, I am using data from > > http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sackville-West,_Victoria which has a > > AA Rodden Rating. Slighgtlyu different from yours, but I still got Lagna in > > Uttarashada. > > > > Some notes: > > > > * Vargotamma Lagna > > > > * The 3rd lord in the 10th gave her writing skills, and Budha in the 3rd > > gave her a turn for poetry. > > > > * Sukra, another karaka for poetry, occupies the 5th [creativity]. > > > > Apart from her writings, Wikipedia devotes a large section to her numerous > > affairs. Sometime back, we had a discussion on how the kama bhavas, when > > associated with either the dharma bhavas or the moksha bhavas, lead to > > perversions. Here, 12 L Kuja [sexual malpractices] occupies lagna in star of > > Ketu, who occupies kama bhava 11th (12th from 12th), which perhaps gave her > > her numerous affairs, including her passionate affairs with Virginia Woolf. > > The strength of the Kama Bhavas too is to be noted here--7L in 3, 11L > > conjunct Rahu. > > > > The chart does have spiritual significances, with 4L and 8L in own houses, > > and 12L in lagna in star of Moksha Karaka Ketu. But 9th lord in a kama bhava > > seems to have had a detrimental impact here. > > > > Wikipedia says that The Edwardians (1930) and All Passion Spent (1931) are > > perhaps her best known novels today. These happened in Sk-Sk; she also had > > an affair with Hilda Matheson, head of the BBC Talks Department and > > journalist Evelyn Irons around this time. Mark Sukra occupying the 5th > > [creativity] along with passionate 3rd lord Rahu! > > > > Her poetry started during Bu-Sk (1909), while Bu-Sa saw the novel Heritage > > (1919) being published. She died during CH-Bu-Sa in 1962. > > > > Now, why was her life " scattered " ? > > > > * 12L in Lagna? > > > > * Aspect of 12L on Chandra? > > > > * Combustion of Budha? > > > > You wrote: > > > > ///Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social life./// > > > > She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from wrong--medically > > known as insanity. Wikipedia says that > > > > /// > > > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep with > > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it out, " > > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the two > > relationships: " I really was innocent. " > > > > /// > > > > This happened during Bu-Ku. Budha is known for Viveka--the ability to tell > > right from wrong--and here, since he is combust, he seems to have lost this > > ability. > > > > Is this what made her scattered? > > __________________ > > Balaji Narasimhan > > Author & Editor > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Dear Rui, yes.If you see navamsa with vargottam lagna with Rahu while L/L in a fixed sign oppsing retro sat in own 3rd house.3rd house is also said to be self also and it's karaka is in 6th with 6L ven which is not a friend of this chart.Also note that the conjunction of mars and ven in a venusian amsa while ven is also the lord of11H another kamatrikona . 3rd house of Rasi is good with nipuna yoga and the same is repeated in 7th with the conjunction of Ketu in the amsa of 7L. // Saturn causes separation, dispersement. In her chart, the Moon (Mind) is in > Retrograde's Saturn's star and Mercury is in Jupiter's star who is exactly > aspected by Retrograde Saturn.// But Mo in own house asp by jup is good i believe.Rahu also causes seperation and posited in 5H of relationships in a martian sign with ven aswell.Rahu is in the star of sun considered to be another seperator!!!... Anyway Mars being a great friend of Lagna and also most powerful in shadbala could have played a big role as 5/12L.. Sure it is an interesting chart to study further for SCATTER!..... Love and regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > Dear Gopi, > > Yes, I agree with you. > > Saturn causes separation, dispersement. In her chart, the Moon (Mind) is in > Retrograde's Saturn's star and Mercury is in Jupiter's star who is exactly > aspected by Retrograde Saturn. > > In addition, Jupiter is the 1st lord of the self. And the Sun (karaka for > the self) too is in Jupiter's star. Therefore it seems that this sense of > dispersement or feeling of being scattered affects not only her mind and > thoughts but also her entire self. > > Love and regards, > > Rui. > > > On 20 April 2010 19:26, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Rui, > > It is interesting for sure.5L of relationships in lagna while 5H is with > > ven with Rah!!Kama trikona houses(3,7,11) are all conected someway or > > other.Mars as 5/12L(relationships/seperation) in lagna in a kendra from > > both jup and sat has a lot to do in her life.When all kamatrikona houses > > are conected one will have many relationships/marriages. > > There is an interesting exchange between 3L of Kama(desire) and 10L of > > karma also involving 9Lof bhagya(luck).No wonder she had enough. > > May be this is a good example of scattered life with Rerto Sat2/3L in > > 10th in mutual asp with jup 1/4L.Mo in the star of sat does not allow > > one to settle in life but in this case jup1,4 is aspg both mo and sat. > > Sat's retrogression has spoiled a beautiful life into a scattered life > > is my understanding.!!... > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > rupamede rupamede@ wrote: > > > > > > Balaji ji, > > > > > > Thank you for sharing that wikipedia link with us but unfortunately > > there a > > > a lot of inaccuracies. For example, Vita never was a member of the > > > Bloomsbury Group. Her husband's name was not Nicholson and the love > > affair > > > with Violet was not made public until the 70ies, so it should not have > > > raised that many eyebrows in England at that time, except of course > > among > > > the ones involved. Plus in those days and in their social circle, > > these > > > affairs happened all the time. Also mentions Knole to be a Gothic > > manor > > > house, when in fact Knole was built during the Renaissance. It goes on > > to > > > say: 'They [Vita and husband] considered lineage, wealth and titles > > > important in their social circle and stayed clear of the middle > > class.' This > > > is not the case. Many of Vita's friends had no titles and if Vita > > stayed > > > away from any type of class, that was her own aristocratic peers, whom > > she > > > disliked, which is exactly the opposite to what is said in this > > wikipedia > > > article. The author of this wikipedia article also fails to reveal > > that > > > despite the many affairs Vita had, it was her husband she loved, and > > they > > > were devoted to each other. > > > > > > You wrote: > > > ///She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from > > > wrong--medically known as insanity. Wikipedia says that/// > > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep > > with > > > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it > > out, " > > > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the > > two > > > relationships: " I really was innocent. " /// > > > > > > I cannot find any of the quotes above on wikipedia, I would like to as > > to > > > say she did not know right from wrong and was therefore insane is > > rather a > > > very strong statement. Please could you let me know where in Wikipedia > > you > > > got these quotes? > > > > > > As for her being scattered, I do not understand why this is so hard to > > > realize. I thought her poem revealed that perfectly. > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 20 April 2010 12:07, Balaji Narasimhan sherlockbalaji@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rui ji, > > > > > > > > An interesting chart! :-) > > > > > > > > BTW, I am using data from > > > > http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sackville-West,_Victoria which > > has a > > > > AA Rodden Rating. Slighgtlyu different from yours, but I still got > > Lagna in > > > > Uttarashada. > > > > > > > > Some notes: > > > > > > > > * Vargotamma Lagna > > > > > > > > * The 3rd lord in the 10th gave her writing skills, and Budha in the > > 3rd > > > > gave her a turn for poetry. > > > > > > > > * Sukra, another karaka for poetry, occupies the 5th [creativity]. > > > > > > > > Apart from her writings, Wikipedia devotes a large section to her > > numerous > > > > affairs. Sometime back, we had a discussion on how the kama bhavas, > > when > > > > associated with either the dharma bhavas or the moksha bhavas, lead > > to > > > > perversions. Here, 12 L Kuja [sexual malpractices] occupies lagna in > > star of > > > > Ketu, who occupies kama bhava 11th (12th from 12th), which perhaps > > gave her > > > > her numerous affairs, including her passionate affairs with Virginia > > Woolf. > > > > The strength of the Kama Bhavas too is to be noted here--7L in 3, > > 11L > > > > conjunct Rahu. > > > > > > > > The chart does have spiritual significances, with 4L and 8L in own > > houses, > > > > and 12L in lagna in star of Moksha Karaka Ketu. But 9th lord in a > > kama bhava > > > > seems to have had a detrimental impact here. > > > > > > > > Wikipedia says that The Edwardians (1930) and All Passion Spent > > (1931) are > > > > perhaps her best known novels today. These happened in Sk-Sk; she > > also had > > > > an affair with Hilda Matheson, head of the BBC Talks Department and > > > > journalist Evelyn Irons around this time. Mark Sukra occupying the > > 5th > > > > [creativity] along with passionate 3rd lord Rahu! > > > > > > > > Her poetry started during Bu-Sk (1909), while Bu-Sa saw the novel > > Heritage > > > > (1919) being published. She died during CH-Bu-Sa in 1962. > > > > > > > > Now, why was her life " scattered " ? > > > > > > > > * 12L in Lagna? > > > > > > > > * Aspect of 12L on Chandra? > > > > > > > > * Combustion of Budha? > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > ///Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social > > life./// > > > > > > > > She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from > > wrong--medically > > > > known as insanity. Wikipedia says that > > > > > > > > /// > > > > > > > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep > > with > > > > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find > > it out, " > > > > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between > > the two > > > > relationships: " I really was innocent. " > > > > > > > > /// > > > > > > > > This happened during Bu-Ku. Budha is known for Viveka--the ability > > to tell > > > > right from wrong--and here, since he is combust, he seems to have > > lost this > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > Is this what made her scattered? > > > > __________________ > > > > Balaji Narasimhan > > > > Author & Editor > > > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 May I add - that i believe Mars in and of itself can act as purely desires planet of complusions without taking into consideration of others. Purely a self centered planet in its lower form As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " Debra Mehren " <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > Dear Balaji, Rui and Others, > > I have taken great interest in your analysis Balaji, but I have to disagree about the “Insanity†reference. > > I do not feel that Vita was Insane. > > Rather, in reflection to her notes of later years she reflected quite accurately her guilt and reservation for the action and intent of her behavior when younger. This shows a conscious. Whereas, insanity reasons and acts out of a narrow perspective of selflessness of no empathy or conscious of actions or repercussions. In medical terms, today, the term Insanity is often not used when modern science has identified that various mental illness of psychosis is defined in very particular ways of disconnect of action and result. Clearly, Vita made a choice, no matter how immature at the time, but a recognition of actions, reactions and consequences in her later writings. > > I too, made a research scan on this individual after my initial assessment and found as you have Baliji, some very interesting fondness to actions. However, I do not feel that Vita was insane or inaccurate in her projections. Rather, I see a women who was compromised for her lack of self identity. This then with a learning environment accentuated by her love ones, of a disconnect of self, of being a true self. Scattered in this way is expressed in her own insecurity of self and desires. > > As I stated Yesterday, after reading her poem, it spoke volumes of a disconnect and a foundation of self. When I did read her background, it stands to reason her conflict and indesivesness paticurily of the way and expectations of being raised along with the abandonment/betrayal of self in her beloved home where she felt the most secure. > > Scatterness then becomes a dominate factor in the incongruent of her life and I feel plays out well, never the less the conflict and compromise of being less than. > > If you beg my delay in giving actual planet and house aspect to Rasi and Navamsa along with 22nd dekanna, you will find that the chart supports a disconnect of self as well as a disconnect in balance along with abandoned compulsions which in reality displayed itself in action and thought as well as a lack of understanding the consequences at the time but found itself in later reflection. > > Insanity, has no empathy or conscious. It is completely absorbs and inclusive. > > As Always, > > Uttara > > p.s. yes, Rui, I was thinking of Sylvia Path at first thought but when I read Ms West’s background and found she had a relationship with Virginia Wolf, it confirmed where I was honing in on with Ms wolf’s birth chart in JV’S database. Thanks for confirming. > > > jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ] On Behalf Of Balaji Narasimhan > Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:07 AM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Scattered > > > Rui ji, > > An interesting chart! :-) > > BTW, I am using data from http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sackville-West,_Victoria which has a AA Rodden Rating. Slighgtlyu different from yours, but I still got Lagna in Uttarashada. > > Some notes: > > * Vargotamma Lagna > > * The 3rd lord in the 10th gave her writing skills, and Budha in the 3rd gave her a turn for poetry. > > * Sukra, another karaka for poetry, occupies the 5th [creativity]. > > Apart from her writings, Wikipedia devotes a large section to her numerous affairs. Sometime back, we had a discussion on how the kama bhavas, when associated with either the dharma bhavas or the moksha bhavas, lead to perversions. Here, 12 L Kuja [sexual malpractices] occupies lagna in star of Ketu, who occupies kama bhava 11th (12th from 12th), which perhaps gave her her numerous affairs, including her passionate affairs with Virginia Woolf. The strength of the Kama Bhavas too is to be noted here--7L in 3, 11L conjunct Rahu. > > The chart does have spiritual significances, with 4L and 8L in own houses, and 12L in lagna in star of Moksha Karaka Ketu. But 9th lord in a kama bhava seems to have had a detrimental impact here. > > Wikipedia says that The Edwardians (1930) and All Passion Spent (1931) are perhaps her best known novels today. These happened in Sk-Sk; she also had an affair with Hilda Matheson, head of the BBC Talks Department and journalist Evelyn Irons around this time. Mark Sukra occupying the 5th [creativity] along with passionate 3rd lord Rahu! > > Her poetry started during Bu-Sk (1909), while Bu-Sa saw the novel Heritage (1919) being published. She died during CH-Bu-Sa in 1962. > > Now, why was her life " scattered " ? > > * 12L in Lagna? > > * Aspect of 12L on Chandra? > > * Combustion of Budha? > > You wrote: > > ///Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social life./// > > She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from wrong--medically known as insanity. Wikipedia says that > > /// > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep with Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it out, " she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the two relationships: " I really was innocent. " > > /// > > This happened during Bu-Ku. Budha is known for Viveka--the ability to tell right from wrong--and here, since he is combust, he seems to have lost this ability. > > Is this what made her scattered? > __________________ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Dear Rui, I picked up on the following immediately from her written writings of reflection. .....///> > When no one comes to take me away from myself > > And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, > > A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, > > Being so contrived that it takes too long a time > > To get myself back to myself when they have gone....//// This to me portrays the disconnect of self but more... Scattered is often times superficial. whereas from this passage there is a deep remorse of self scattered to others in a jig saw puzzle of interest or a patchwork of content for another who only sees a part and not a full but is content on loving, seeing and or being with just a portion. whereas Vita is crying out in her reflection of lose self and innocence the disconnect of being her true whole self and worth of being fully. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > Dear Uttara and Balaji and all, > > It is great to hear from you again. I have been here all the time too, just > silent as I do not have the time, peace and quiet I used to have anymore to > write. > > ///It reminds me of a poet who eventually committed suicide. But, for the > life of me, I can't seem to recall the name./// > > I believe the poet you are thinking of is Sylvia Plath? > > ///I just had the benefit of reading the poem once again and find that there > is more to this person's psychological personality than being scattered. > More of a disconnection with a sense of self; a dissatisfaction or lack of > self esteem; a depression of self. A flat affect. Overwhelmed with having to > give of self not clearly define can be a scattered person but more likely a > depression of self identity./// > > Yes, there is dissatisfaction and depression. This poem was written during > her later years when her health was failing her, compared to her healthy > youth. Also, after her many intimate relationships, she comes to the > conclusion that 'there is no possibility of contact, except in a brief > delusion'. This is a sad and shocking statement, I know it, but we have to > respect the way other people see the world and relationships. > > I think this poem is quite representative of someone whose life and mind are > scattered. I have looked up the meaning of scattered just in case to see had > I got it wrong since English is not my native language and this is what I > came up with: > > ///To cause to separate and go in different directions./// > > > When no one comes to take me away from myself > > And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, > > A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, > > Being so contrived that it takes too long a time > > To get myself back to myself when they have gone. > > I think this passage reveals a scattered state of mind and knowing about > Vita's life I thought this would be would be a good example of a chart of > someone whose life was scattered. Balaji has also revealed more about her > like her love life, which would, in my opinion, reveal how scattered a life > she lead. You can see Rahu conjunct Venus in the 5th house of romance. I > know it is not a close conjunction but is still there, plus as I think > Balaji mentioned (must read his post again), Venus is in Ketu's star and > Ketu is in 11th, which would explain the many affairs. But I think what Rahu > does here (so near the cusp of the 5th) is that it constitutes a compulsion > to having these romances... Like an obsession, a madness, a craze, something > she would find hard to fight. > > ///I wonder what her learning environment was like growing up. Obviously, > the chart will hold clues but the message is clear./// > > Vita grew up in a lonely environment, surrounded by books and old family > portraits at Knole, the stately home where she was born but could not > inherit because she was not born a male. The fact that she could not inherit > her beloved Knole is perhaps the root of all dissatisfaction. She started > writing at a very early age. > > I have to go now but I will be posting more later and also reply to Balaji's > post. Believe me, I do wish I had more time and my life and mind was not so > scattered now! This is the main reason I have become so silent as I seldom > have peace to write - maybe that is why Vita's poem resonated so much... > > Warm regards, > > Rui. > > > > On 19 April 2010 23:57, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Rui and All, > > > > I just had the benefit of reading the poem once again and find that there > > is more to this person's psychological personality than being scattered. > > More of a disconnection with a sense of self; a dissatisfaction or lack of > > self esteem; a depression of self. A flat affect. Overwhelmed with having to > > give of self not clearly define can be a scattered person but more likely a > > depression of self identity. > > > > I wonder what her learning environment was like growing up. Obviously, the > > chart will hold clues but the message is clear. > > > > To have a lack or an unclear definition of self, to feel overwhelmed and > > depressed would make one feel incongruent to others and feel imposed upon to > > produce a sense of self to others in authentic thought, time and action. > > > > Rather the safety of self is wanting to and seeking out to protect its > > sense of true self from being exposed by being in isolation and grieving > > disillusionment. > > > > Rui, I would like to have more background on this person as you say you > > have information to share. I will research her name also. In the meantime, I > > will make up this chart this evening and give it my best thorough study this > > week. > > I also look forward to members input and analysis. > > > > It's an interesting chart from what I can see of it so far. > > The Pisces Jupiter in Own hse and Cancer Moon in own hse shows the watery > > disconnect. with Jupiter who is aspected by Saturn and Mars showing conflict > > in approach and frustrated desires aspecting the Moon too. Mercury combust > > adds to the problem of 3rd hse of communications.. Home and Mother watery in > > a introspective loss of sound creative Pisces. Dad's mind too combust in a > > world social order Aquarius opposite Leo/ruler Sun. the Rahu/Ketu axis on > > 5th hse creativity and 11th hse of friends and hopes and desires is very > > important too. > > > > There could also be a creative illusion of willy thoughts of fancy > > and " fairy dusting dancing " to secure one in living outside of self. I can > > imagine that the over the head flightiness and artistic flare of > > intuitiveness at its most potent times turned heads of many admirers as much > > as she herself was struggling to keep face. There would be a lot of > > religious connotations too, I believe. > > > > It reminds me of a poet who eventually committed suicide. But, for the life > > of me, I can't seem to recall the name. > > > > Thanks, Rui. > > > > > > As always, > > Uttara > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > rupamede <rupamede@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Uttara, > > > > > > I have a chart of someone I did my post-graduation on, a writer, an > > amazing > > > woman, who lived last century and whose life was indeed scattered. > > Scattered > > > in her identity as a woman, her private and social life. Her name's Vita > > > Sackville-West. > > > > > > Her birth data is: > > > March 9th, 1892 > > > at 4.15AM > > > in Knole (Sevenoaks, Kent) England > > > Coordinates: 0E13 51N15 > > > Asc: Sagittarius (Uttara Shada) > > > > > > I can give more info about her if our members find it interesting to > > study > > > her chart. > > > > > > Please see the following poem below where she expresses that feeling so > > well > > > in my view. Would this scattered feeling be what you had in mind when you > > > posted this message? > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > *Days I enjoy* > > > > > > User Rating: > > > > > > -- /10 > > > (0 votes) > > > > > > > > > > > > - vote - > > > 1 > > > 2 > > > > > > 3 > > > 4 > > > 5 > > > 6 > > > 7 > > > > > > 8 > > > 9 > > > 10 > > > > > > [image: 0]Print friendly > > > version< > > http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/vita-sackville-west/days-i-enjoy/> > > > [image: 0]E-mail this poem to e > > > > > friend<javascript:openHTML('/p/m/post_poem.asp?poem=29137','1','400','250')> > > > [image: 0]Send this poem as > > > eCard<http://www.poemhunter.com/ecard/1/prepare.asp?poem=29137> > > > [image: 0]Add this poem to > > > MyPoemList<http://www.poemhunter.com/p/MyPoemList/InEx.asp?Include=29137 > > > > > > > > > Days I enjoy are days when nothing happens, > > > When I have no engagements written on my block, > > > When no one comes to disturb my inward peace, > > > When no one comes to take me away from myself > > > And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, > > > A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, > > > Being so contrived that it takes too long a time > > > To get myself back to myself when they have gone. > > > The years are too strickly measured, and life too short > > > For me to afford such bits of myself to my friends. > > > And what have I to give my friends in the last resort? > > > An awkwardness, a shyness, and a scrap, > > > No thing that's truly me, a bootless waste, > > > A waste of myself and them, for my life is mine > > > And theirs presumably theirs, and cannot touch. > > > > > > V. S-W > > > > > > > > > On 18 April 2010 22:13, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > I have a question about one being scattered. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a chart that shows scattered tendencies in their Rasi > > or > > > > Navamsa. > > > > > > > > I don't have a particular chart to offer. However, it would be helpful > > to > > > > not only look at the Rasi but the Navamsa as well. > > > > > > > > As always, > > > > > > > > Uttara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Dear Uttara, Thank you for your assessment below. Your analysis could not be more perfectly put into words. Regards, Rui. On 21 April 2010 03:42, Debra Mehren <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > > Dear Balaji, Rui and Others, > > I have taken great interest in your analysis Balaji, but I have to disagree > about the “Insanity” reference. > > I do not feel that Vita was Insane. > > Rather, in reflection to her notes of later years she reflected quite > accurately her guilt and reservation for the action and intent of her > behavior when younger. This shows a conscious. Whereas, insanity reasons and > acts out of a narrow perspective of selflessness of no empathy or conscious > of actions or repercussions. In medical terms, today, the term Insanity is > often not used when modern science has identified that various mental > illness of psychosis is defined in very particular ways of disconnect of > action and result. Clearly, Vita made a choice, no matter how immature at > the time, but a recognition of actions, reactions and consequences in her > later writings. > > I too, made a research scan on this individual after my initial assessment > and found as you have Baliji, some very interesting fondness to actions. > However, I do not feel that Vita was insane or inaccurate in her > projections. Rather, I see a women who was compromised for her lack of self > identity. This then with a learning environment accentuated by her love > ones, of a disconnect of self, of being a true self. Scattered in this way > is expressed in her own insecurity of self and desires. > > As I stated Yesterday, after reading her poem, it spoke volumes of a > disconnect and a foundation of self. When I did read her background, it > stands to reason her conflict and indesivesness paticurily of the way and > expectations of being raised along with the abandonment/betrayal of self in > her beloved home where she felt the most secure. > > Scatterness then becomes a dominate factor in the incongruent of her life > and I feel plays out well, never the less the conflict and compromise of > being less than. > > If you beg my delay in giving actual planet and house aspect to Rasi and > Navamsa along with 22nd dekanna, you will find that the chart supports a > disconnect of self as well as a disconnect in balance along with abandoned > compulsions which in reality displayed itself in action and thought as well > as a lack of understanding the consequences at the time but found itself in > later reflection. > > Insanity, has no empathy or conscious. It is completely absorbs and > inclusive. > > As Always, > > Uttara > > p.s. yes, Rui, I was thinking of Sylvia Path at first thought but when I > read Ms West’s background and found she had a relationship with Virginia > Wolf, it confirmed where I was honing in on with Ms wolf’s birth chart in > JV’S database. Thanks for confirming. > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>[ > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>] On Behalf > Of Balaji Narasimhan > Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:07 AM > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > Re: Scattered > > > > Rui ji, > > An interesting chart! :-) > > BTW, I am using data from > http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sackville-West,_Victoria which has a > AA Rodden Rating. Slighgtlyu different from yours, but I still got Lagna in > Uttarashada. > > Some notes: > > * Vargotamma Lagna > > * The 3rd lord in the 10th gave her writing skills, and Budha in the 3rd > gave her a turn for poetry. > > * Sukra, another karaka for poetry, occupies the 5th [creativity]. > > Apart from her writings, Wikipedia devotes a large section to her numerous > affairs. Sometime back, we had a discussion on how the kama bhavas, when > associated with either the dharma bhavas or the moksha bhavas, lead to > perversions. Here, 12 L Kuja [sexual malpractices] occupies lagna in star of > Ketu, who occupies kama bhava 11th (12th from 12th), which perhaps gave her > her numerous affairs, including her passionate affairs with Virginia Woolf. > The strength of the Kama Bhavas too is to be noted here--7L in 3, 11L > conjunct Rahu. > > The chart does have spiritual significances, with 4L and 8L in own houses, > and 12L in lagna in star of Moksha Karaka Ketu. But 9th lord in a kama bhava > seems to have had a detrimental impact here. > > Wikipedia says that The Edwardians (1930) and All Passion Spent (1931) are > perhaps her best known novels today. These happened in Sk-Sk; she also had > an affair with Hilda Matheson, head of the BBC Talks Department and > journalist Evelyn Irons around this time. Mark Sukra occupying the 5th > [creativity] along with passionate 3rd lord Rahu! > > Her poetry started during Bu-Sk (1909), while Bu-Sa saw the novel Heritage > (1919) being published. She died during CH-Bu-Sa in 1962. > > Now, why was her life " scattered " ? > > * 12L in Lagna? > > * Aspect of 12L on Chandra? > > * Combustion of Budha? > > You wrote: > > ///Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social life./// > > She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from wrong--medically > known as insanity. Wikipedia says that > > /// > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep with > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find it out, " > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between the two > relationships: " I really was innocent. " > > /// > > This happened during Bu-Ku. Budha is known for Viveka--the ability to tell > right from wrong--and here, since he is combust, he seems to have lost this > ability. > > Is this what made her scattered? > __________________ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Dear Gopi Yes, I am aware Rahu also causes separation and dispersement and this was on my mind when I first posted this chart. You said: " Anyway Mars being a great friend of Lagna and also most powerful in shadbala could have played a big role as 5/12L.. Sure it is an interesting chart to study further for SCATTER!..... " This is why rather than being insane, she was such a successful writer and consummate gardener who was able to 'resuscitate' one rose in particular that was in extinction. Love and regards, Rui. On 21 April 2010 04:09, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > Dear Rui, > yes.If you see navamsa with vargottam lagna with Rahu while L/L in a > fixed sign oppsing retro sat in own 3rd house.3rd house is also said to > be self also and it's karaka is in 6th with 6L ven which is not a friend > of this chart.Also note that the conjunction of mars and ven in a > venusian amsa while ven is also the lord of11H another kamatrikona . > 3rd house of Rasi is good with nipuna yoga and the same is repeated in > 7th with the conjunction of Ketu in the amsa of 7L. > // Saturn causes separation, dispersement. In her chart, the Moon (Mind) > > is in > > Retrograde's Saturn's star and Mercury is in Jupiter's star who is > exactly > > aspected by Retrograde Saturn.// > But Mo in own house asp by jup is good i believe.Rahu also causes > seperation and posited in 5H of relationships in a martian sign with ven > aswell.Rahu is in the star of sun considered to be another > seperator!!!... > Anyway Mars being a great friend of Lagna and also most powerful in > shadbala could have played a big role as 5/12L.. > Sure it is an interesting chart to study further for SCATTER!..... > > Love and regards, > gopi. > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > rupamede <rupamede wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi, > > > > Yes, I agree with you. > > > > Saturn causes separation, dispersement. In her chart, the Moon (Mind) > is in > > Retrograde's Saturn's star and Mercury is in Jupiter's star who is > exactly > > aspected by Retrograde Saturn. > > > > In addition, Jupiter is the 1st lord of the self. And the Sun (karaka > for > > the self) too is in Jupiter's star. Therefore it seems that this sense > of > > dispersement or feeling of being scattered affects not only her mind > and > > thoughts but also her entire self. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Rui. > > > > > > On 20 April 2010 19:26, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rui, > > > It is interesting for sure.5L of relationships in lagna while 5H is > with > > > ven with Rah!!Kama trikona houses(3,7,11) are all conected someway > or > > > other.Mars as 5/12L(relationships/seperation) in lagna in a kendra > from > > > both jup and sat has a lot to do in her life.When all kamatrikona > houses > > > are conected one will have many relationships/marriages. > > > There is an interesting exchange between 3L of Kama(desire) and 10L > of > > > karma also involving 9Lof bhagya(luck).No wonder she had enough. > > > May be this is a good example of scattered life with Rerto Sat2/3L > in > > > 10th in mutual asp with jup 1/4L.Mo in the star of sat does not > allow > > > one to settle in life but in this case jup1,4 is aspg both mo and > sat. > > > Sat's retrogression has spoiled a beautiful life into a scattered > life > > > is my understanding.!!... > > > Love and regards, > > > gopi. > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > rupamede rupamede@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Balaji ji, > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing that wikipedia link with us but > unfortunately > > > there a > > > > a lot of inaccuracies. For example, Vita never was a member of the > > > > Bloomsbury Group. Her husband's name was not Nicholson and the > love > > > affair > > > > with Violet was not made public until the 70ies, so it should not > have > > > > raised that many eyebrows in England at that time, except of > course > > > among > > > > the ones involved. Plus in those days and in their social circle, > > > these > > > > affairs happened all the time. Also mentions Knole to be a Gothic > > > manor > > > > house, when in fact Knole was built during the Renaissance. It > goes on > > > to > > > > say: 'They [Vita and husband] considered lineage, wealth and > titles > > > > important in their social circle and stayed clear of the middle > > > class.' This > > > > is not the case. Many of Vita's friends had no titles and if Vita > > > stayed > > > > away from any type of class, that was her own aristocratic peers, > whom > > > she > > > > disliked, which is exactly the opposite to what is said in this > > > wikipedia > > > > article. The author of this wikipedia article also fails to reveal > > > that > > > > despite the many affairs Vita had, it was her husband she loved, > and > > > they > > > > were devoted to each other. > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > ///She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from > > > > wrong--medically known as insanity. Wikipedia says that/// > > > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to sleep > > > with > > > > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to find > it > > > out, " > > > > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict between > the > > > two > > > > relationships: " I really was innocent. " /// > > > > > > > > I cannot find any of the quotes above on wikipedia, I would like > to as > > > to > > > > say she did not know right from wrong and was therefore insane is > > > rather a > > > > very strong statement. Please could you let me know where in > Wikipedia > > > you > > > > got these quotes? > > > > > > > > As for her being scattered, I do not understand why this is so > hard to > > > > realize. I thought her poem revealed that perfectly. > > > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > > > > > Rui. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 20 April 2010 12:07, Balaji Narasimhan sherlockbalaji@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rui ji, > > > > > > > > > > An interesting chart! :-) > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I am using data from > > > > > http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sackville-West,_Victoria > which > > > has a > > > > > AA Rodden Rating. Slighgtlyu different from yours, but I still > got > > > Lagna in > > > > > Uttarashada. > > > > > > > > > > Some notes: > > > > > > > > > > * Vargotamma Lagna > > > > > > > > > > * The 3rd lord in the 10th gave her writing skills, and Budha in > the > > > 3rd > > > > > gave her a turn for poetry. > > > > > > > > > > * Sukra, another karaka for poetry, occupies the 5th > [creativity]. > > > > > > > > > > Apart from her writings, Wikipedia devotes a large section to > her > > > numerous > > > > > affairs. Sometime back, we had a discussion on how the kama > bhavas, > > > when > > > > > associated with either the dharma bhavas or the moksha bhavas, > lead > > > to > > > > > perversions. Here, 12 L Kuja [sexual malpractices] occupies > lagna in > > > star of > > > > > Ketu, who occupies kama bhava 11th (12th from 12th), which > perhaps > > > gave her > > > > > her numerous affairs, including her passionate affairs with > Virginia > > > Woolf. > > > > > The strength of the Kama Bhavas too is to be noted here--7L in > 3, > > > 11L > > > > > conjunct Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > The chart does have spiritual significances, with 4L and 8L in > own > > > houses, > > > > > and 12L in lagna in star of Moksha Karaka Ketu. But 9th lord in > a > > > kama bhava > > > > > seems to have had a detrimental impact here. > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia says that The Edwardians (1930) and All Passion Spent > > > (1931) are > > > > > perhaps her best known novels today. These happened in Sk-Sk; > she > > > also had > > > > > an affair with Hilda Matheson, head of the BBC Talks Department > and > > > > > journalist Evelyn Irons around this time. Mark Sukra occupying > the > > > 5th > > > > > [creativity] along with passionate 3rd lord Rahu! > > > > > > > > > > Her poetry started during Bu-Sk (1909), while Bu-Sa saw the > novel > > > Heritage > > > > > (1919) being published. She died during CH-Bu-Sa in 1962. > > > > > > > > > > Now, why was her life " scattered " ? > > > > > > > > > > * 12L in Lagna? > > > > > > > > > > * Aspect of 12L on Chandra? > > > > > > > > > > * Combustion of Budha? > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ///Scattered in her identity as a woman, her private and social > > > life./// > > > > > > > > > > She seemed to have a complete inability to tell right from > > > wrong--medically > > > > > known as insanity. Wikipedia says that > > > > > > > > > > /// > > > > > > > > > > " Oh, I dare say I realized vaguely that I had no business to > sleep > > > with > > > > > Rosamund, and I should certainly never have allowed anyone to > find > > > it out, " > > > > > she admits in the secret journal, but she saw no conflict > between > > > the two > > > > > relationships: " I really was innocent. " > > > > > > > > > > /// > > > > > > > > > > This happened during Bu-Ku. Budha is known for Viveka--the > ability > > > to tell > > > > > right from wrong--and here, since he is combust, he seems to > have > > > lost this > > > > > ability. > > > > > > > > > > Is this what made her scattered? > > > > > __________________ > > > > > Balaji Narasimhan > > > > > Author & Editor > > > > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Dear Rui, > When no one comes to take me away from myself > And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, > A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, > Being so contrived that it takes too long a time > To get myself back to myself when they have gone. I have to say at the outset that I'm not familiar (at all) with this author so cannot speak with any authority regarding the intention behind the above quote. However, from my own perspective, I have a strong empathy with what is said... Being one who values solitude above social interaction (which I can find quite draining), I can understand the authors lament that " it (can) take too long a time to get myself back to myself when they have gone. " From an astrological perspective, I can also understand the author's lament with both lagnesh Jupiter and swakshetra Moon in nakshatra of Saturn, the planet of introspection and detachment (aloneness)... So, in regards to the above quote, I don't really find that (of itself) to be an indication of 'scatteredness', but rather a distaste for what could be seen/felt as contrived social conditions. What's more likely to give rise to scatteredness is the combustion of Mercury who, along with Sun, is inimically placed in sign of Saturn (himself in Rx motion). Note the exchange (khala-parivartana yoga) between 10th lord Mercury and 3rd lord Saturn... Note 3rd signifies motivation, interests, short-term desires, our own efforts etc.. Her sexuality can be seen with F/M Venus, inimically placed in sign of Mars, conjunct the hedonistic rakshasa Rahu whilst dispositor Mars (sexual energy) is extremely strong in lagna. This Mars, dispositor of VE/RA, aspects lagnesh Jupiter, 7th house, and 8th lord Moon. Best Wishes Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =================== BPHS Ch.1 Only good will follow the teaching of this science to the students who are peacefully disposed, who honor the preceptors (and elders), who speak only truth and who are God-fearing. Woeful for ever doubtlessly will it be to impart knowledge of this science to an unwilling student, to a heterodox, and to a crafty person. =================== ----------------- " rupamede " <rupamede Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:59 PM <jyotish-vidya > Re: Re: Scattered Dear Uttara and Balaji and all, It is great to hear from you again. I have been here all the time too, just silent as I do not have the time, peace and quiet I used to have anymore to write. ///It reminds me of a poet who eventually committed suicide. But, for the life of me, I can't seem to recall the name./// I believe the poet you are thinking of is Sylvia Plath? ///I just had the benefit of reading the poem once again and find that there is more to this person's psychological personality than being scattered. More of a disconnection with a sense of self; a dissatisfaction or lack of self esteem; a depression of self. A flat affect. Overwhelmed with having to give of self not clearly define can be a scattered person but more likely a depression of self identity./// Yes, there is dissatisfaction and depression. This poem was written during her later years when her health was failing her, compared to her healthy youth. Also, after her many intimate relationships, she comes to the conclusion that 'there is no possibility of contact, except in a brief delusion'. This is a sad and shocking statement, I know it, but we have to respect the way other people see the world and relationships. I think this poem is quite representative of someone whose life and mind are scattered. I have looked up the meaning of scattered just in case to see had I got it wrong since English is not my native language and this is what I came up with: ///To cause to separate and go in different directions./// > When no one comes to take me away from myself > And turn me into a patchwork, a jig-saw puzzle, > A broken mirror that once gave a whole reflection, > Being so contrived that it takes too long a time > To get myself back to myself when they have gone. I think this passage reveals a scattered state of mind and knowing about Vita's life I thought this would be would be a good example of a chart of someone whose life was scattered. Balaji has also revealed more about her like her love life, which would, in my opinion, reveal how scattered a life she lead. You can see Rahu conjunct Venus in the 5th house of romance. I know it is not a close conjunction but is still there, plus as I think Balaji mentioned (must read his post again), Venus is in Ketu's star and Ketu is in 11th, which would explain the many affairs. But I think what Rahu does here (so near the cusp of the 5th) is that it constitutes a compulsion to having these romances... Like an obsession, a madness, a craze, something she would find hard to fight. ///I wonder what her learning environment was like growing up. Obviously, the chart will hold clues but the message is clear./// Vita grew up in a lonely environment, surrounded by books and old family portraits at Knole, the stately home where she was born but could not inherit because she was not born a male. The fact that she could not inherit her beloved Knole is perhaps the root of all dissatisfaction. She started writing at a very early age. I have to go now but I will be posting more later and also reply to Balaji's post. Believe me, I do wish I had more time and my life and mind was not so scattered now! This is the main reason I have become so silent as I seldom have peace to write - maybe that is why Vita's poem resonated so much... Warm regards, Rui. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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