The difference with Hinduism (Narsimha)

October 30, 2007

Dear Narsimha,

It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along with

sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result changes

within a person should reflect, he should do good and think good then

only a sadhana will be usefull.

I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next moment

behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance their deeds.

It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for particular

times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if one's heart

is clean.

I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and it

works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the intent is

more important.

regards,

Lalit.

, " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Kursija,

>

> You make a good point - without basic comforts in life, it is

> difficult to perform spiritual sadhana. There are so many who are

> not in a position to perform any sadhana. There is no point in

> lecturing about God to a starving person. Well, the haves should

try

> to help the havenots.

>

> BTW, Manish is not a karmakandi pandit or priest as you assumed. He

> is a medical doctor and a Yogi. Pandit is his surname.

>

> I know Manish quite well and know the compassion he has for the

> people you mention. Your displeasure is perhaps misdirected.

> Manish's current message is for a different set of people and it is

> an important message too.

>

> There are so many people in this world who are well off and yet

> don't spend much time on spiritual sadhana. They are concerned

about

> their salary, raises, promotions, wife, children, house, cars etc

> and life finishes before they know it. Punya from the past lives

may

> have awarded one with material blessings in this life, but there is

> no guarantee the same will happen again! After squandering the

> opportunity to do some sadhana in this life, one may be placed in a

> different situation in the next life and sadhana may be more

> difficult.

>

> Each journey on this earth in a mortal body is an opportunity to

> accumulate more punya for future journeys and, if possible, be

> liberated. People who rejoice in their material blessings and do no

> serious sadhana are akin to those who are living off a bank balance

> built in the past (they don't even know how much it is and when it

> will be exhausted) and do not work and build it further. Such

people

> turn to god only when a major calamity strikes, but it may be too

> late.

>

> And then, there are so many scholars learned in scriptures etc and

> proud of their superficial learning, but without a true

> understanding. Even without having ever actually heard music, one

> can read many volumes of books on musical notes and raagas and go

on

> discussing musical raagas. What good is it, until one actually

> *hears* music and *experiences* it? If a country that was once

> filled with many brilliant singers suddenly becomes barren of

> singers and becomes filled with theoretical discussions on music,

> people may lose interest and think that music is a useless subject

> (much like some people think about religion and spirituality

today).

> All you need to revive interest in music is simply to teach singing

> to some. When they become good singers, they evoke further interest

> in people around them. Symbolically speaking, that is what I think

> Manish is trying to do.

>

> The proof of the pudding is in eating it. The proof of divinity is

> in experiencing it directly. India was once filled with those who

> experienced the divine. Well, I see the future being brighter than

> the present, though it may not match the past.

>

> If one spends 2-3 hours everyday chanting a specific mantra

> mentally, around the same time of the day, sitting in the same

> place, facing the same direction, with a comfortable sitting

> posture, an erect back and head, closed eyes, no motion of the body

> to the extent possible, while following brahmacharya for the

> duration of the practice, I am sure one will experience something

> within a few months (depending on the previous karmas/vasanas and

> how ripe one already is).

>

> If you find Manish's advice inspiring, I suggest that you should

not

> leave it there. Please re-read his mail and actually go ahead and

> take a challenge and do one of the things he mentioned. Or simply

> pick some other mantra (ANY amntra, say Gayatri or panchakshari or

> dwadasakshari - atma karaka in navamsa can be seen) and do as I

said

> above. Unless one pushes oneself initially, spiritual sadhana will

> not take off. We are all capable of doing a lot more than we

> normally do. We just let lethargy dominate.

>

> I can tell you that Manish is not a normal soul. It is the fortune

> of those here that a specific instruction came out of his mind in

> vaikhari form (spoken/wirtten word). There is a difference between

> doing a sadhana and doing a sadhana based on the instruction in

> *vaikhari* form from someone like Manish.

>

> I read the lists very rarely these days and today was one of those

> days. I am off now. I will see you all later. Have fun pursuing

> Jyotish and spirituality.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

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> -------------------------------

>

> > Respected Pandit ji,

> > I do not know which type of pandit your are. highly

> > educated and learned pandit or puja-pathi pandit

> > (karma kandi pandit)According to my experience you

> > look like a puja-pathi pandita, living in UK.Pandit

> > living in UK must be having good source of income.You

> > may not be knowing that in India 70% of population

> > sleep without food at night, what you say of clothing,

> > shelter,medical help and education.With all these

> > powers for which you are advocating India remain slave

> > to Mugals for thousands of years and two hundreds year

> > under British empires.Where were your super-natural

> > power? Why these powers are not able to remove poverty

> > of India

> > Every where you will find Mandirs and pandits

> > worshiping and clothing the beautiful images of

> > God.They can give you food and comforts, but not to

> > public.The public will get food, health and shelter

> > when they will get jobs.They will do Karma, not

> > worship.The worship gives mental peace not physical

> > health.The physical health will come through yoga and

> > medicine.If you wants to be happy, first thing is to

> > be healthy and earn money.

> > I do not want to stretch socio-economic conditions and

> > customs prevailing in India.I have come to know

> > recentally to my surprise that some peoples from

> > different state remove the hairs of their daughter in

> > laws who become widow and leave them at Brindabad,

> > Mathra (a tourist spot with so many ashrams and

> > temples) at the mercy of the pandits. They make them

> > beg for their lively hood. What to say of poor people

> > in villages?

> > It is not my intention to hurt some one. I beg pardon

> > if I have said some thing harsh and not to the taste

> > of some one. But these are the facts.I am sorry.

> > --- mmpandit2003 <mmpandit2003@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > In the vedic faith if you just carry on with your

> > > dharma then you will

> > > progress.

> > > I read somebodies mail that we follow rituals

> > > blindly, well let me tell

> > > your a small story.

> > > If you say anything in Sanskrit, you become that

> > > " Kita Bhramara Nyaya "

> > > Not that you get what you repeat , but that you

> > > actually become that.

> > > Now if your desire to become what you repeat is good

> > > and if you

> > > visualise what you repeat, well, then you become

> > > what you repeat ( may

> > > take some time depending on what your ability to

> > > follow the restrictions

> > > of

> > > Samaya

> > > Sthana

> > > Samagri

> > > Sankhya

> > > Samyama- mainly Brahmacharya and for what what

> > > length of time you are

> > > able to maintain these)

> > > They say that there are seven Chiranjeevis, and I

> > > am sure that all of

> > > you can enumerate them, but just for the old

> > > gentleman who has a library

> > > full of books , forget about your books, treat my

> > > words like the truth

> > > and follow the following( Indeed anybody who wants

> > > to experience this

> > > following the niyamas mentioned above can try it)

> > > Recite Hanuman Chalisa 51 times every day for 121

> > > days keeping

> > > Brahmacharya and no shaving and see what happens. It

> > > will take you at

> > > least 2 hours proper recitation, end it with silent

> > > Rama Nama japa, and

> > > do not move during this japa at least , face North.

> > > Then you can get a pramana that Hanuman is a

> > > Chiranjeevi.

> > >

> > > Or if you can read Sanskrit well, then do the

> > > following,

> > > Read Durga Saptashati once in the morning from

> > > Sanarni surya Tanayo to

> > > the end ( will take an hour at top speed) and once

> > > at night for 100

> > > days. This latter sadhana is bit more dangerous in

> > > that if you take a

> > > sankalpa and dont keep it then I am not responsible

> > > for what happens to

> > > you. See what happens from the 40-50th day onwards.

> > > Alternately do two

> > > Chandi homams a day and see what happens. But you

> > > have to do these

> > > yourself.

> > > See the problem is that nobody does jwalita sadhana,

> > > they all talk about

> > > theory.

> > > There is no practise and life goes by, suddenly

> > > Mahakala arrives and

> > > then what , He did not give the avatars time to say

> > > anything much, what

> > > will He give ordinary mortals.

> > > Best to do serious sadhana and then one does not

> > > need to do anything

> > > else once the deity of the sadhana starts to come

> > > and visit you.

> > >

> > > See the difference between Hinduism and other

> > > faiths( and India in

> > > general), is that others worship messiahs , Hinduism

> > > shows you how to

> > > create them.

> > >

> > > Dr. Manish Pandit

> > > www.gajanan.info

> > > www.jyotishashastra.org

> > > www.shreerudram.com

> > > www.gajanana.co.uk

>

October 30, 2007

Dear Narsimha,

Regarding cleaning of the heart, I wish to share one of my

experiences, that i had during my recent visit to Kedarnath.

After some years,I started knowing that i have a certain level of

impurity within me and it was blocking my Vishudha Chakra area. It

has been painful but it was not at my hand, I had to tolerate it,

like cancer.

Whenever I was trying to go deeper it I was blocked, remaining

thirsty.

Somehow, moter blessed me and skipping the vishuddha chakra, I was

able to bring my senses to agya chakra to chant " Hreeng " , still, i

was not knowing what is function and connection of " Hreeng " with

mother divine. You know mantra and thoughts were different, all was

assumption to feel good, it took some 12 - 13 yrs in this stage, this

navartri only i could understand what the " Hreeng " is. Mother shown

it's connection to her and also the function. It contains 3 types of

shaktis, I mean, three shaktis are integrated in it - Mahakali,

Mahalakschhami and Mahasaraswati. this is what i was shown by mother

divine so, i need not chant various mantras thinking this one is for

maa sharada and this one is for maa lakschhami.

but vishuddha chakra's problem was still persisiting.

To reach the Kedarnath, u need to walk 14 KM from Gauri Kund, First 7

KM's i covered almost in 2 hrss. I had a small attack like ulcer some

3 yrs back, when i reached 9'th KM's stop, I started feeling burning

sensation in my stomach, It was in the muscles. The pain was just

beginning... my 2 friends were behind me by 50 mtrs. I thought if

problem increases, they will suffer unnecessary, so, I kept going.

As the pain was increasing, my outer senses started contracting and i

was like going within my mind, chanting " Om Namah Shivaya " . I stopped

also twice for a while.

The pain and chanting was in sync. and all of sudden, effortlessly, I

was able to sit within the Vishudha Chakra and chant " Om Namah

Shivaya " . I can do same while posting this mail to you.

So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at our hand,

sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from his

side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long it will

take to happen, only God knows.

The best part is when i reached KedarNathm the pain was over, I never

took any medicine as of now, I m healthy like earlier.

As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express exactly what i

felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

surrender does count, but before one should have dare to reject the

God also, these were two stages in my life. I never compromised nor

feared the God, I loved and got his love.

regards,

Lalit.

, " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Lalit,

>

> > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next

> moment

> > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance their

> deeds.

> >

> > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for

> particular

> > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if one's

> heart

> > is clean.

>

> If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further effort is

> needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for sadhana,

not

> many can do any sadhana.

>

> Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are designed so

that

> they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart eventually.

>

> Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that one

> repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following certain

> rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and head and

> closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same place

> facing the same direction and around the same time everyday) will

> make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the

> beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as one

> crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to flow faster.

>

> > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along with

> > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result changes

> > within a person should reflect, he should do good and think good

> then

> > only a sadhana will be usefull.

>

> Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma yoga.

> Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform

sadhana.

> The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti yoga

> (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all valid paths

> to purify oneself.

>

> > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and it

> > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the intent

> is

> > more important.

>

> If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very low level

> of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. Otherwise, it is

> better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is a

> generic one for everyone.

>

> * * *

>

> Dear Sri Kursija,

>

> > Respected Narasimha Rao,

> > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are

> > (according to me) a trading community and intersted

> > with his own profit only whether the other lives or

> > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of

> > India doing the same in the matter of

> > advertisement.The website is also a source of

> > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility

> > on them. I will again go through the mail.

>

> There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about their work

> as a business without any devotion or compassion and have no

> spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not stereotype

> the priest community. There are also priests who are filled with

> wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and humility and

> serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a good idea.

>

> * * *

>

> Dear Sri Bhaskar,

>

> Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some sadhana

or

> the other at some level or the other. However, if one who is in

> physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can

> understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people, one can

> perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda once

> said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe is " .

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

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> Spirituality:

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> -------------------------------

>

October 31, 2007

Dear Lalit ji,

Thank you for recounting your experience!

> So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at our

hand,

> sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from his

> side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long it will

> take to happen, only God knows.

Well-said. Sadhana is in one's hand and the fruits of sadhana are in

Her hand. All we can do to ensure quick results is to intensify our

sadhana and develop the sense of surrender.

Actually, one could even argue that not just the fruits of sadhana

but the sadhana itself is not in our hands and we do sadhana only

when She wants us to. That may be true at a level too, but there is

nothing to discuss or do if one adopts that viewpoint! If we believe

that there is something called " free will " at a level, then we can

talk about exercising it to become closer to god (i.e. purify

ourselves).

Hopefully, I am writing all this as She willed me to and hopefully

She wills a few people reading this thread to intensify their sadhana

and make quick progress.

> As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express exactly what

i

> felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

Even one good in English cannot express these matters clearly in

vaikhari! The matters we are discussing have so many angles to them

and so vast in scope that it is is very difficult to express exactly.

Two people with identical views may end up looking as though they are

opposing each other.

I do understand you and my respectful salutations to you and other

members!

Best regards,

Narasimha

-------------------------------

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-------------------------------

> Dear Narsimha,

>

> Regarding cleaning of the heart, I wish to share one of my

> experiences, that i had during my recent visit to Kedarnath.

>

> After some years,I started knowing that i have a certain level of

> impurity within me and it was blocking my Vishudha Chakra area. It

> has been painful but it was not at my hand, I had to tolerate it,

> like cancer.

>

> Whenever I was trying to go deeper it I was blocked, remaining

> thirsty.

>

> Somehow, moter blessed me and skipping the vishuddha chakra, I was

> able to bring my senses to agya chakra to chant " Hreeng " , still, i

> was not knowing what is function and connection of " Hreeng " with

> mother divine. You know mantra and thoughts were different, all was

> assumption to feel good, it took some 12 - 13 yrs in this stage,

this

> navartri only i could understand what the " Hreeng " is. Mother shown

> it's connection to her and also the function. It contains 3 types

of

> shaktis, I mean, three shaktis are integrated in it - Mahakali,

> Mahalakschhami and Mahasaraswati. this is what i was shown by

mother

> divine so, i need not chant various mantras thinking this one is

for

> maa sharada and this one is for maa lakschhami.

>

> but vishuddha chakra's problem was still persisiting.

>

> To reach the Kedarnath, u need to walk 14 KM from Gauri Kund, First

7

> KM's i covered almost in 2 hrss. I had a small attack like ulcer

some

> 3 yrs back, when i reached 9'th KM's stop, I started feeling

burning

> sensation in my stomach, It was in the muscles. The pain was just

> beginning... my 2 friends were behind me by 50 mtrs. I thought if

> problem increases, they will suffer unnecessary, so, I kept going.

>

> As the pain was increasing, my outer senses started contracting and

i

> was like going within my mind, chanting " Om Namah Shivaya " . I

stopped

> also twice for a while.

>

> The pain and chanting was in sync. and all of sudden, effortlessly,

I

> was able to sit within the Vishudha Chakra and chant " Om Namah

> Shivaya " . I can do same while posting this mail to you.

>

> So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at our

hand,

> sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from his

> side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long it will

> take to happen, only God knows.

>

> The best part is when i reached KedarNathm the pain was over, I

never

> took any medicine as of now, I m healthy like earlier.

>

> As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express exactly what

i

> felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

>

> surrender does count, but before one should have dare to reject the

> God also, these were two stages in my life. I never compromised nor

> feared the God, I loved and got his love.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

, " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sri Lalit,

> >

> > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next

> > moment

> > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance their

> > deeds.

> > >

> > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for

> > particular

> > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if one's

> > heart

> > > is clean.

> >

> > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further effort is

> > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for sadhana,

> not

> > many can do any sadhana.

> >

> > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are designed so

> that

> > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart

eventually.

> >

> > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that one

> > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following certain

> > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and head

and

> > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same place

> > facing the same direction and around the same time everyday) will

> > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the

> > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as one

> > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to flow

faster.

> >

> > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along with

> > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result

changes

> > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and think

good

> > then

> > > only a sadhana will be usefull.

> >

> > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma yoga.

> > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform

> sadhana.

> > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti yoga

> > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all valid

paths

> > to purify oneself.

> >

> > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and

it

> > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the

intent

> > is

> > > more important.

> >

> > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very low

level

> > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. Otherwise, it

is

> > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is a

> > generic one for everyone.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Dear Sri Kursija,

> >

> > > Respected Narasimha Rao,

> > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are

> > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted

> > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or

> > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of

> > > India doing the same in the matter of

> > > advertisement.The website is also a source of

> > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility

> > > on them. I will again go through the mail.

> >

> > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about their

work

> > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have no

> > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not

stereotype

> > the priest community. There are also priests who are filled with

> > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and humility

and

> > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a good idea.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Dear Sri Bhaskar,

> >

> > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some sadhana

> or

> > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who is in

> > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can

> > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people, one can

> > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda once

> > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe is " .

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------------

> > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > -------------------------------

> >

>

October 31, 2007

Dear Narsimha,

While reading ur mails i can feel the inner sweetness u have, but i

have a weakness, I m very much uncomfortable with " Ji " and " Respect " .

Pls. call me " Lalit " only, hearing " Lalit " by someone who is elder to

me, sounds lovely to me.

Yes, You are true, mother wanted you to write and respond to this

thread, Very Soon, You will be participating more in groups to

inspire people towards sadhana.

Thanx to You and to her also.

regards,

Lalit.

, " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit ji,

>

> Thank you for recounting your experience!

>

> > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at our

> hand,

> > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from his

> > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long it

will

> > take to happen, only God knows.

>

> Well-said. Sadhana is in one's hand and the fruits of sadhana are

in

> Her hand. All we can do to ensure quick results is to intensify our

> sadhana and develop the sense of surrender.

>

> Actually, one could even argue that not just the fruits of sadhana

> but the sadhana itself is not in our hands and we do sadhana only

> when She wants us to. That may be true at a level too, but there is

> nothing to discuss or do if one adopts that viewpoint! If we

believe

> that there is something called " free will " at a level, then we can

> talk about exercising it to become closer to god (i.e. purify

> ourselves).

>

> Hopefully, I am writing all this as She willed me to and hopefully

> She wills a few people reading this thread to intensify their

sadhana

> and make quick progress.

>

> > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express exactly

what

> i

> > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

>

> Even one good in English cannot express these matters clearly in

> vaikhari! The matters we are discussing have so many angles to them

> and so vast in scope that it is is very difficult to express

exactly.

> Two people with identical views may end up looking as though they

are

> opposing each other.

>

> I do understand you and my respectful salutations to you and other

> members!

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

> > Dear Narsimha,

> >

> > Regarding cleaning of the heart, I wish to share one of my

> > experiences, that i had during my recent visit to Kedarnath.

> >

> > After some years,I started knowing that i have a certain level of

> > impurity within me and it was blocking my Vishudha Chakra area.

It

> > has been painful but it was not at my hand, I had to tolerate it,

> > like cancer.

> >

> > Whenever I was trying to go deeper it I was blocked, remaining

> > thirsty.

> >

> > Somehow, moter blessed me and skipping the vishuddha chakra, I

was

> > able to bring my senses to agya chakra to chant " Hreeng " , still,

i

> > was not knowing what is function and connection of " Hreeng " with

> > mother divine. You know mantra and thoughts were different, all

was

> > assumption to feel good, it took some 12 - 13 yrs in this stage,

> this

> > navartri only i could understand what the " Hreeng " is. Mother

shown

> > it's connection to her and also the function. It contains 3 types

> of

> > shaktis, I mean, three shaktis are integrated in it - Mahakali,

> > Mahalakschhami and Mahasaraswati. this is what i was shown by

> mother

> > divine so, i need not chant various mantras thinking this one is

> for

> > maa sharada and this one is for maa lakschhami.

> >

> > but vishuddha chakra's problem was still persisiting.

> >

> > To reach the Kedarnath, u need to walk 14 KM from Gauri Kund,

First

> 7

> > KM's i covered almost in 2 hrss. I had a small attack like ulcer

> some

> > 3 yrs back, when i reached 9'th KM's stop, I started feeling

> burning

> > sensation in my stomach, It was in the muscles. The pain was just

> > beginning... my 2 friends were behind me by 50 mtrs. I thought if

> > problem increases, they will suffer unnecessary, so, I kept going.

> >

> > As the pain was increasing, my outer senses started contracting

and

> i

> > was like going within my mind, chanting " Om Namah Shivaya " . I

> stopped

> > also twice for a while.

> >

> > The pain and chanting was in sync. and all of sudden,

effortlessly,

> I

> > was able to sit within the Vishudha Chakra and chant " Om Namah

> > Shivaya " . I can do same while posting this mail to you.

> >

> > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at our

> hand,

> > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from his

> > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long it

will

> > take to happen, only God knows.

> >

> > The best part is when i reached KedarNathm the pain was over, I

> never

> > took any medicine as of now, I m healthy like earlier.

> >

> > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express exactly

what

> i

> > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> >

> > surrender does count, but before one should have dare to reject

the

> > God also, these were two stages in my life. I never compromised

nor

> > feared the God, I loved and got his love.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sri Lalit,

> > >

> > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next

> > > moment

> > > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance

their

> > > deeds.

> > > >

> > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for

> > > particular

> > > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if

one's

> > > heart

> > > > is clean.

> > >

> > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further effort

is

> > > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for

sadhana,

> > not

> > > many can do any sadhana.

> > >

> > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are designed so

> > that

> > > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart

> eventually.

> > >

> > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that one

> > > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following

certain

> > > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and head

> and

> > > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same

place

> > > facing the same direction and around the same time everyday)

will

> > > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the

> > > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as one

> > > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to flow

> faster.

> > >

> > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along

with

> > > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result

> changes

> > > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and think

> good

> > > then

> > > > only a sadhana will be usefull.

> > >

> > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma yoga.

> > > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform

> > sadhana.

> > > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti yoga

> > > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all valid

> paths

> > > to purify oneself.

> > >

> > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and

> it

> > > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the

> intent

> > > is

> > > > more important.

> > >

> > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very low

> level

> > > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. Otherwise, it

> is

> > > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is a

> > > generic one for everyone.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > >

> > > > Respected Narasimha Rao,

> > > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are

> > > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted

> > > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or

> > > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of

> > > > India doing the same in the matter of

> > > > advertisement.The website is also a source of

> > > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility

> > > > on them. I will again go through the mail.

> > >

> > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about their

> work

> > > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have no

> > > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not

> stereotype

> > > the priest community. There are also priests who are filled

with

> > > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and humility

> and

> > > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a good

idea.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Dear Sri Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some

sadhana

> > or

> > > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who is in

> > > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can

> > > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people, one

can

> > > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda once

> > > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe is " .

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

> > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> >

>

October 31, 2007

Dear Lalitji,

But I am very much disullsioned by many so called Spiritual Masters

and Preachers of today. Most of them are enveloped in Maya and

they preach but dont practise.They wish to mantain their goody-goody

image and do not wish to be tainted or blemished.

These Masters should have come out with their knowledge

of interpreting shlokas and put to shame, to those

who misinterpret them. People like

me have to sort this out my my half baked knowledge of Sanskrit,

though being from Traditional Hindu family's we understand the normal

Sanskrit words and do not have to learn them for day to day use, but

grammatical knowledge is missing within us, and then we look upon

these Masters for some retreat. But it does not

come, for they do not wish to spoil their images.

But they dont understand that if You wish to wear the Crown of

the King then you will have to make enemies in Life, in this process.

So what ? How many good friends does one have anyway otherwise too ?

Ask Rs.10000- temporary Loan from so called friends, then

one will come to know, how many real friends one has.

If you wish to acquire Pearls from underneath the shallow waters, then

you have to get your skin and clothes wet. These people can never acquire

the best venerated places in society with this attitude of appearing goody

goody and mantaining a clean image.

I do not believe in vegetable preaching which is not practised.

Chandrasekharji, Pradeepji and also Narsimharaoji have all let

us Hindus down with their silence and not coming

out forward with their knowledge when most needed, not just today,

but previously also I have seen their silence on many occasions

when they should have come forward. But

they just preach without practise.

Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for which

I have several times thanked him, and do

so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

It is better to have criticisers near you who will make you a

Kohinoor, eventually by removing all the dirt from ones self,

rather than people who just talk and talk about God and

Shastras and how one should live, without actually showing

this by action. You have brought the goneby episode to the

notice of people at the risk of facing wrath from

the psuedo secularists, which you did face, but

at least you have had the guts to get stained in the

process. This ounce of spiritual action is 1000 times

better than actionless quintals of spiritual talks.

Hope my point is made. I am not impressed with these

spiritual talks on board made by few. they will

always remain mediocre in my eyes whatever lofty

discussions they come up with. At times I just play upto

them with sweet words, to keep them away from me,

and not because they demand respect.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Narsimha,

>

> While reading ur mails i can feel the inner sweetness u have, but i

> have a weakness, I m very much uncomfortable with " Ji " and " Respect " .

>

> Pls. call me " Lalit " only, hearing " Lalit " by someone who is elder to

> me, sounds lovely to me.

>

> Yes, You are true, mother wanted you to write and respond to this

> thread, Very Soon, You will be participating more in groups to

> inspire people towards sadhana.

>

> Thanx to You and to her also.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit ji,

> >

> > Thank you for recounting your experience!

> >

> > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at our

> > hand,

> > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from his

> > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long it

> will

> > > take to happen, only God knows.

> >

> > Well-said. Sadhana is in one's hand and the fruits of sadhana are

> in

> > Her hand. All we can do to ensure quick results is to intensify our

> > sadhana and develop the sense of surrender.

> >

> > Actually, one could even argue that not just the fruits of sadhana

> > but the sadhana itself is not in our hands and we do sadhana only

> > when She wants us to. That may be true at a level too, but there is

> > nothing to discuss or do if one adopts that viewpoint! If we

> believe

> > that there is something called " free will " at a level, then we can

> > talk about exercising it to become closer to god (i.e. purify

> > ourselves).

> >

> > Hopefully, I am writing all this as She willed me to and hopefully

> > She wills a few people reading this thread to intensify their

> sadhana

> > and make quick progress.

> >

> > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express exactly

> what

> > i

> > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> >

> > Even one good in English cannot express these matters clearly in

> > vaikhari! The matters we are discussing have so many angles to them

> > and so vast in scope that it is is very difficult to express

> exactly.

> > Two people with identical views may end up looking as though they

> are

> > opposing each other.

> >

> > I do understand you and my respectful salutations to you and other

> > members!

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------------

> > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > -------------------------------

> >

> > > Dear Narsimha,

> > >

> > > Regarding cleaning of the heart, I wish to share one of my

> > > experiences, that i had during my recent visit to Kedarnath.

> > >

> > > After some years,I started knowing that i have a certain level of

> > > impurity within me and it was blocking my Vishudha Chakra area.

> It

> > > has been painful but it was not at my hand, I had to tolerate it,

> > > like cancer.

> > >

> > > Whenever I was trying to go deeper it I was blocked, remaining

> > > thirsty.

> > >

> > > Somehow, moter blessed me and skipping the vishuddha chakra, I

> was

> > > able to bring my senses to agya chakra to chant " Hreeng " , still,

> i

> > > was not knowing what is function and connection of " Hreeng " with

> > > mother divine. You know mantra and thoughts were different, all

> was

> > > assumption to feel good, it took some 12 - 13 yrs in this stage,

> > this

> > > navartri only i could understand what the " Hreeng " is. Mother

> shown

> > > it's connection to her and also the function. It contains 3 types

> > of

> > > shaktis, I mean, three shaktis are integrated in it - Mahakali,

> > > Mahalakschhami and Mahasaraswati. this is what i was shown by

> > mother

> > > divine so, i need not chant various mantras thinking this one is

> > for

> > > maa sharada and this one is for maa lakschhami.

> > >

> > > but vishuddha chakra's problem was still persisiting.

> > >

> > > To reach the Kedarnath, u need to walk 14 KM from Gauri Kund,

> First

> > 7

> > > KM's i covered almost in 2 hrss. I had a small attack like ulcer

> > some

> > > 3 yrs back, when i reached 9'th KM's stop, I started feeling

> > burning

> > > sensation in my stomach, It was in the muscles. The pain was just

> > > beginning... my 2 friends were behind me by 50 mtrs. I thought if

> > > problem increases, they will suffer unnecessary, so, I kept going.

> > >

> > > As the pain was increasing, my outer senses started contracting

> and

> > i

> > > was like going within my mind, chanting " Om Namah Shivaya " . I

> > stopped

> > > also twice for a while.

> > >

> > > The pain and chanting was in sync. and all of sudden,

> effortlessly,

> > I

> > > was able to sit within the Vishudha Chakra and chant " Om Namah

> > > Shivaya " . I can do same while posting this mail to you.

> > >

> > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at our

> > hand,

> > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from his

> > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long it

> will

> > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > >

> > > The best part is when i reached KedarNathm the pain was over, I

> > never

> > > took any medicine as of now, I m healthy like earlier.

> > >

> > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express exactly

> what

> > i

> > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > >

> > > surrender does count, but before one should have dare to reject

> the

> > > God also, these were two stages in my life. I never compromised

> nor

> > > feared the God, I loved and got his love.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sri Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next

> > > > moment

> > > > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance

> their

> > > > deeds.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for

> > > > particular

> > > > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if

> one's

> > > > heart

> > > > > is clean.

> > > >

> > > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further effort

> is

> > > > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for

> sadhana,

> > > not

> > > > many can do any sadhana.

> > > >

> > > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are designed so

> > > that

> > > > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart

> > eventually.

> > > >

> > > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that one

> > > > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following

> certain

> > > > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and head

> > and

> > > > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same

> place

> > > > facing the same direction and around the same time everyday)

> will

> > > > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the

> > > > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as one

> > > > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to flow

> > faster.

> > > >

> > > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along

> with

> > > > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result

> > changes

> > > > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and think

> > good

> > > > then

> > > > > only a sadhana will be usefull.

> > > >

> > > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma yoga.

> > > > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform

> > > sadhana.

> > > > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti yoga

> > > > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all valid

> > paths

> > > > to purify oneself.

> > > >

> > > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and

> > it

> > > > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the

> > intent

> > > > is

> > > > > more important.

> > > >

> > > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very low

> > level

> > > > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. Otherwise, it

> > is

> > > > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is a

> > > > generic one for everyone.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > >

> > > > > Respected Narasimha Rao,

> > > > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are

> > > > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted

> > > > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or

> > > > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of

> > > > > India doing the same in the matter of

> > > > > advertisement.The website is also a source of

> > > > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility

> > > > > on them. I will again go through the mail.

> > > >

> > > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about their

> > work

> > > > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have no

> > > > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not

> > stereotype

> > > > the priest community. There are also priests who are filled

> with

> > > > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and humility

> > and

> > > > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a good

> idea.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some

> sadhana

> > > or

> > > > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who is in

> > > > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can

> > > > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people, one

> can

> > > > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda once

> > > > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe is " .

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------------

> > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > -------------------------------

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 31, 2007

Bhaskar Ji,

Namaskaar, You will see, practical, proven, pro-active and flaw less

spirituality. there are streams of vishnu and rudra. vishnu never

ignores his responsibilities nor rudra, both functions in sync.

They all will come up to do their roles and to inspire people in

their own ways.

regards,

Lalit.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Lalitji,

>

> But I am very much disullsioned by many so called Spiritual Masters

> and Preachers of today. Most of them are enveloped in Maya and

> they preach but dont practise.They wish to mantain their goody-goody

> image and do not wish to be tainted or blemished.

> These Masters should have come out with their knowledge

> of interpreting shlokas and put to shame, to those

> who misinterpret them. People like

> me have to sort this out my my half baked knowledge of Sanskrit,

> though being from Traditional Hindu family's we understand the

normal

> Sanskrit words and do not have to learn them for day to day use,

but

> grammatical knowledge is missing within us, and then we look upon

> these Masters for some retreat. But it does not

> come, for they do not wish to spoil their images.

>

> But they dont understand that if You wish to wear the Crown of

> the King then you will have to make enemies in Life, in this

process.

> So what ? How many good friends does one have anyway otherwise too ?

> Ask Rs.10000- temporary Loan from so called friends, then

> one will come to know, how many real friends one has.

> If you wish to acquire Pearls from underneath the shallow waters,

then

> you have to get your skin and clothes wet. These people can never

acquire

> the best venerated places in society with this attitude of

appearing goody

> goody and mantaining a clean image.

>

> I do not believe in vegetable preaching which is not practised.

>

> Chandrasekharji, Pradeepji and also Narsimharaoji have all let

> us Hindus down with their silence and not coming

> out forward with their knowledge when most needed, not just today,

> but previously also I have seen their silence on many occasions

> when they should have come forward. But

> they just preach without practise.

> Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for which

> I have several times thanked him, and do

> so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

>

> It is better to have criticisers near you who will make you a

> Kohinoor, eventually by removing all the dirt from ones self,

> rather than people who just talk and talk about God and

> Shastras and how one should live, without actually showing

> this by action. You have brought the goneby episode to the

> notice of people at the risk of facing wrath from

> the psuedo secularists, which you did face, but

> at least you have had the guts to get stained in the

> process. This ounce of spiritual action is 1000 times

> better than actionless quintals of spiritual talks.

>

> Hope my point is made. I am not impressed with these

> spiritual talks on board made by few. they will

> always remain mediocre in my eyes whatever lofty

> discussions they come up with. At times I just play upto

> them with sweet words, to keep them away from me,

> and not because they demand respect.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

, " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narsimha,

> >

> > While reading ur mails i can feel the inner sweetness u have, but

i

> > have a weakness, I m very much uncomfortable with " Ji "

and " Respect " .

> >

> > Pls. call me " Lalit " only, hearing " Lalit " by someone who is

elder to

> > me, sounds lovely to me.

> >

> > Yes, You are true, mother wanted you to write and respond to this

> > thread, Very Soon, You will be participating more in groups to

> > inspire people towards sadhana.

> >

> > Thanx to You and to her also.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > >

> > > Thank you for recounting your experience!

> > >

> > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at

our

> > > hand,

> > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from

his

> > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long

it

> > will

> > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > >

> > > Well-said. Sadhana is in one's hand and the fruits of sadhana

are

> > in

> > > Her hand. All we can do to ensure quick results is to intensify

our

> > > sadhana and develop the sense of surrender.

> > >

> > > Actually, one could even argue that not just the fruits of

sadhana

> > > but the sadhana itself is not in our hands and we do sadhana

only

> > > when She wants us to. That may be true at a level too, but

there is

> > > nothing to discuss or do if one adopts that viewpoint! If we

> > believe

> > > that there is something called " free will " at a level, then we

can

> > > talk about exercising it to become closer to god (i.e. purify

> > > ourselves).

> > >

> > > Hopefully, I am writing all this as She willed me to and

hopefully

> > > She wills a few people reading this thread to intensify their

> > sadhana

> > > and make quick progress.

> > >

> > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

exactly

> > what

> > > i

> > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > >

> > > Even one good in English cannot express these matters clearly

in

> > > vaikhari! The matters we are discussing have so many angles to

them

> > > and so vast in scope that it is is very difficult to express

> > exactly.

> > > Two people with identical views may end up looking as though

they

> > are

> > > opposing each other.

> > >

> > > I do understand you and my respectful salutations to you and

other

> > > members!

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

> > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > > > Dear Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > Regarding cleaning of the heart, I wish to share one of my

> > > > experiences, that i had during my recent visit to Kedarnath.

> > > >

> > > > After some years,I started knowing that i have a certain

level of

> > > > impurity within me and it was blocking my Vishudha Chakra

area.

> > It

> > > > has been painful but it was not at my hand, I had to tolerate

it,

> > > > like cancer.

> > > >

> > > > Whenever I was trying to go deeper it I was blocked,

remaining

> > > > thirsty.

> > > >

> > > > Somehow, moter blessed me and skipping the vishuddha chakra,

I

> > was

> > > > able to bring my senses to agya chakra to chant " Hreeng " ,

still,

> > i

> > > > was not knowing what is function and connection of " Hreeng "

with

> > > > mother divine. You know mantra and thoughts were different,

all

> > was

> > > > assumption to feel good, it took some 12 - 13 yrs in this

stage,

> > > this

> > > > navartri only i could understand what the " Hreeng " is. Mother

> > shown

> > > > it's connection to her and also the function. It contains 3

types

> > > of

> > > > shaktis, I mean, three shaktis are integrated in it -

Mahakali,

> > > > Mahalakschhami and Mahasaraswati. this is what i was shown by

> > > mother

> > > > divine so, i need not chant various mantras thinking this one

is

> > > for

> > > > maa sharada and this one is for maa lakschhami.

> > > >

> > > > but vishuddha chakra's problem was still persisiting.

> > > >

> > > > To reach the Kedarnath, u need to walk 14 KM from Gauri Kund,

> > First

> > > 7

> > > > KM's i covered almost in 2 hrss. I had a small attack like

ulcer

> > > some

> > > > 3 yrs back, when i reached 9'th KM's stop, I started feeling

> > > burning

> > > > sensation in my stomach, It was in the muscles. The pain was

just

> > > > beginning... my 2 friends were behind me by 50 mtrs. I

thought if

> > > > problem increases, they will suffer unnecessary, so, I kept

going.

> > > >

> > > > As the pain was increasing, my outer senses started

contracting

> > and

> > > i

> > > > was like going within my mind, chanting " Om Namah Shivaya " . I

> > > stopped

> > > > also twice for a while.

> > > >

> > > > The pain and chanting was in sync. and all of sudden,

> > effortlessly,

> > > I

> > > > was able to sit within the Vishudha Chakra and chant " Om

Namah

> > > > Shivaya " . I can do same while posting this mail to you.

> > > >

> > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at

our

> > > hand,

> > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from

his

> > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long

it

> > will

> > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > > >

> > > > The best part is when i reached KedarNathm the pain was over,

I

> > > never

> > > > took any medicine as of now, I m healthy like earlier.

> > > >

> > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

exactly

> > what

> > > i

> > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > > >

> > > > surrender does count, but before one should have dare to

reject

> > the

> > > > God also, these were two stages in my life. I never

compromised

> > nor

> > > > feared the God, I loved and got his love.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but

> > > > > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance

> > their

> > > > > deeds.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for

> > > > > particular

> > > > > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if

> > one's

> > > > > heart

> > > > > > is clean.

> > > > >

> > > > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further

effort

> > is

> > > > > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for

> > sadhana,

> > > > not

> > > > > many can do any sadhana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are

designed so

> > > > that

> > > > > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart

> > > eventually.

> > > > >

> > > > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that

one

> > > > > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following

> > certain

> > > > > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and

head

> > > and

> > > > > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same

> > place

> > > > > facing the same direction and around the same time

everyday)

> > will

> > > > > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the

> > > > > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as

one

> > > > > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to

flow

> > > faster.

> > > > >

> > > > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along

> > with

> > > > > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result

> > > changes

> > > > > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and

think

> > > good

> > > > > then

> > > > > > only a sadhana will be usefull.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma

yoga.

> > > > > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform

> > > > sadhana.

> > > > > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti

yoga

> > > > > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all

valid

> > > paths

> > > > > to purify oneself.

> > > > >

> > > > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary

and

> > > it

> > > > > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the

> > > intent

> > > > > is

> > > > > > more important.

> > > > >

> > > > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very

low

> > > level

> > > > > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough.

Otherwise, it

> > > is

> > > > > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is

a

> > > > > generic one for everyone.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Narasimha Rao,

> > > > > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are

> > > > > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted

> > > > > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or

> > > > > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of

> > > > > > India doing the same in the matter of

> > > > > > advertisement.The website is also a source of

> > > > > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility

> > > > > > on them. I will again go through the mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about

their

> > > work

> > > > > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have

no

> > > > > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not

> > > stereotype

> > > > > the priest community. There are also priests who are filled

> > with

> > > > > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and

humility

> > > and

> > > > > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a

good

> > idea.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some

> > sadhana

> > > > or

> > > > > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who

is in

> > > > > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can

> > > > > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people,

one

> > can

> > > > > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda

once

> > > > > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe

is " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > ---------------------------

----

> > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > ---------------------------

----

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 31, 2007

Dear Shri Narsimhaji

" Hopefully, I am writing all this as She willed me to and hopefully

She wills a few people reading this thread to intensify their sadhana

and make quick progress. "

Yes! Indeed did She will you to write it and willed a Blessed few to read it.

We bow to Her Lotus Feet.

Thanks and regards

K C Dwivedi

November 2, 2007

Dear Bhaskar Namaste

> Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for which

> I have several times thanked him, and do

> so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

You are again wrong! I am not at all inimical towards you or for that

matter anybody on the group! Why should I be? I was, you can say,

upset the way you take others for granted(at least I got the

imression like that) and have 'my party' or 'his party' kind of

attitude. It gives the impression that one must accept what Shree

Bhaskar says or get ready to be attacked. Moreover, it is surprising

to read that you dont want to reveal your identity as it is treated

by many an act of arrogance and cowardice. How can there be serious

discussions unless we know whom we are getting friendly with! On the

one hand you talk of people's cowardice as they were not responding

and on the other hand you under some foolish reason try to hide your

identity! This is what I feel you are wrong at. When others do it

(cowardice,trying to maintain image) you attack like anything but

when it comes to your own turn you give all filmsy reasons to justify

it. I am not preaching but feel that you can be little bit more

subdued and remember that others will as well have their reasons to

justify.

Sharing knowledge

I do not claim to know much about Jyotish or Sanskrit, but what ever

I know I keep on sharing with others. Three years back when my mother

was detected with breast cancer I wrote several mails of help to all

the people who were/are scholar of Jyotish and related subjects. No

body even bothered to suggest remedies. At that time I just started

to learn jyotish and I was very optimistic about scholars helping me

as I was very open and genuine in asking remedies to save my mother.

Looking at this indifferent attitude of scholars I decided to do it

myself. I started reading Granthas of ancient vidyas. Result was that

I could prolong her stay by 11 months! That day I realised who is a

scholar and how these people twist meanings of shlokas to suit their

own theory. Now days Everybody is so near to Devi/Devata that you

feel that all scholars are just one chakra short of Sashasrar! All

scholars are highly spiritual and in coming few years we are likely

to have assmebly of Kundalini Jagrut Sadhak! I hope you wont be one

of them!

Anyway, thanks for the company.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Lalitji,

>

> But I am very much disullsioned by many so called Spiritual Masters

> and Preachers of today. Most of them are enveloped in Maya and

> they preach but dont practise.They wish to mantain their goody-goody

> image and do not wish to be tainted or blemished.

> These Masters should have come out with their knowledge

> of interpreting shlokas and put to shame, to those

> who misinterpret them. People like

> me have to sort this out my my half baked knowledge of Sanskrit,

> though being from Traditional Hindu family's we understand the

normal

> Sanskrit words and do not have to learn them for day to day use,

but

> grammatical knowledge is missing within us, and then we look upon

> these Masters for some retreat. But it does not

> come, for they do not wish to spoil their images.

>

> But they dont understand that if You wish to wear the Crown of

> the King then you will have to make enemies in Life, in this

process.

> So what ? How many good friends does one have anyway otherwise too ?

> Ask Rs.10000- temporary Loan from so called friends, then

> one will come to know, how many real friends one has.

> If you wish to acquire Pearls from underneath the shallow waters,

then

> you have to get your skin and clothes wet. These people can never

acquire

> the best venerated places in society with this attitude of

appearing goody

> goody and mantaining a clean image.

>

> I do not believe in vegetable preaching which is not practised.

>

> Chandrasekharji, Pradeepji and also Narsimharaoji have all let

> us Hindus down with their silence and not coming

> out forward with their knowledge when most needed, not just today,

> but previously also I have seen their silence on many occasions

> when they should have come forward. But

> they just preach without practise.

> Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for which

> I have several times thanked him, and do

> so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

>

> It is better to have criticisers near you who will make you a

> Kohinoor, eventually by removing all the dirt from ones self,

> rather than people who just talk and talk about God and

> Shastras and how one should live, without actually showing

> this by action. You have brought the goneby episode to the

> notice of people at the risk of facing wrath from

> the psuedo secularists, which you did face, but

> at least you have had the guts to get stained in the

> process. This ounce of spiritual action is 1000 times

> better than actionless quintals of spiritual talks.

>

> Hope my point is made. I am not impressed with these

> spiritual talks on board made by few. they will

> always remain mediocre in my eyes whatever lofty

> discussions they come up with. At times I just play upto

> them with sweet words, to keep them away from me,

> and not because they demand respect.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

, " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narsimha,

> >

> > While reading ur mails i can feel the inner sweetness u have, but

i

> > have a weakness, I m very much uncomfortable with " Ji "

and " Respect " .

> >

> > Pls. call me " Lalit " only, hearing " Lalit " by someone who is

elder to

> > me, sounds lovely to me.

> >

> > Yes, You are true, mother wanted you to write and respond to this

> > thread, Very Soon, You will be participating more in groups to

> > inspire people towards sadhana.

> >

> > Thanx to You and to her also.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > >

> > > Thank you for recounting your experience!

> > >

> > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at

our

> > > hand,

> > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from

his

> > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long

it

> > will

> > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > >

> > > Well-said. Sadhana is in one's hand and the fruits of sadhana

are

> > in

> > > Her hand. All we can do to ensure quick results is to intensify

our

> > > sadhana and develop the sense of surrender.

> > >

> > > Actually, one could even argue that not just the fruits of

sadhana

> > > but the sadhana itself is not in our hands and we do sadhana

only

> > > when She wants us to. That may be true at a level too, but

there is

> > > nothing to discuss or do if one adopts that viewpoint! If we

> > believe

> > > that there is something called " free will " at a level, then we

can

> > > talk about exercising it to become closer to god (i.e. purify

> > > ourselves).

> > >

> > > Hopefully, I am writing all this as She willed me to and

hopefully

> > > She wills a few people reading this thread to intensify their

> > sadhana

> > > and make quick progress.

> > >

> > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

exactly

> > what

> > > i

> > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > >

> > > Even one good in English cannot express these matters clearly

in

> > > vaikhari! The matters we are discussing have so many angles to

them

> > > and so vast in scope that it is is very difficult to express

> > exactly.

> > > Two people with identical views may end up looking as though

they

> > are

> > > opposing each other.

> > >

> > > I do understand you and my respectful salutations to you and

other

> > > members!

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

> > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > > > Dear Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > Regarding cleaning of the heart, I wish to share one of my

> > > > experiences, that i had during my recent visit to Kedarnath.

> > > >

> > > > After some years,I started knowing that i have a certain

level of

> > > > impurity within me and it was blocking my Vishudha Chakra

area.

> > It

> > > > has been painful but it was not at my hand, I had to tolerate

it,

> > > > like cancer.

> > > >

> > > > Whenever I was trying to go deeper it I was blocked,

remaining

> > > > thirsty.

> > > >

> > > > Somehow, moter blessed me and skipping the vishuddha chakra,

I

> > was

> > > > able to bring my senses to agya chakra to chant " Hreeng " ,

still,

> > i

> > > > was not knowing what is function and connection of " Hreeng "

with

> > > > mother divine. You know mantra and thoughts were different,

all

> > was

> > > > assumption to feel good, it took some 12 - 13 yrs in this

stage,

> > > this

> > > > navartri only i could understand what the " Hreeng " is. Mother

> > shown

> > > > it's connection to her and also the function. It contains 3

types

> > > of

> > > > shaktis, I mean, three shaktis are integrated in it -

Mahakali,

> > > > Mahalakschhami and Mahasaraswati. this is what i was shown by

> > > mother

> > > > divine so, i need not chant various mantras thinking this one

is

> > > for

> > > > maa sharada and this one is for maa lakschhami.

> > > >

> > > > but vishuddha chakra's problem was still persisiting.

> > > >

> > > > To reach the Kedarnath, u need to walk 14 KM from Gauri Kund,

> > First

> > > 7

> > > > KM's i covered almost in 2 hrss. I had a small attack like

ulcer

> > > some

> > > > 3 yrs back, when i reached 9'th KM's stop, I started feeling

> > > burning

> > > > sensation in my stomach, It was in the muscles. The pain was

just

> > > > beginning... my 2 friends were behind me by 50 mtrs. I

thought if

> > > > problem increases, they will suffer unnecessary, so, I kept

going.

> > > >

> > > > As the pain was increasing, my outer senses started

contracting

> > and

> > > i

> > > > was like going within my mind, chanting " Om Namah Shivaya " . I

> > > stopped

> > > > also twice for a while.

> > > >

> > > > The pain and chanting was in sync. and all of sudden,

> > effortlessly,

> > > I

> > > > was able to sit within the Vishudha Chakra and chant " Om

Namah

> > > > Shivaya " . I can do same while posting this mail to you.

> > > >

> > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at

our

> > > hand,

> > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from

his

> > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long

it

> > will

> > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > > >

> > > > The best part is when i reached KedarNathm the pain was over,

I

> > > never

> > > > took any medicine as of now, I m healthy like earlier.

> > > >

> > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

exactly

> > what

> > > i

> > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > > >

> > > > surrender does count, but before one should have dare to

reject

> > the

> > > > God also, these were two stages in my life. I never

compromised

> > nor

> > > > feared the God, I loved and got his love.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but

> > > > > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance

> > their

> > > > > deeds.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for

> > > > > particular

> > > > > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if

> > one's

> > > > > heart

> > > > > > is clean.

> > > > >

> > > > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further

effort

> > is

> > > > > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for

> > sadhana,

> > > > not

> > > > > many can do any sadhana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are

designed so

> > > > that

> > > > > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart

> > > eventually.

> > > > >

> > > > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that

one

> > > > > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following

> > certain

> > > > > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and

head

> > > and

> > > > > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same

> > place

> > > > > facing the same direction and around the same time

everyday)

> > will

> > > > > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the

> > > > > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as

one

> > > > > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to

flow

> > > faster.

> > > > >

> > > > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along

> > with

> > > > > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result

> > > changes

> > > > > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and

think

> > > good

> > > > > then

> > > > > > only a sadhana will be usefull.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma

yoga.

> > > > > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform

> > > > sadhana.

> > > > > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti

yoga

> > > > > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all

valid

> > > paths

> > > > > to purify oneself.

> > > > >

> > > > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary

and

> > > it

> > > > > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the

> > > intent

> > > > > is

> > > > > > more important.

> > > > >

> > > > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very

low

> > > level

> > > > > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough.

Otherwise, it

> > > is

> > > > > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is

a

> > > > > generic one for everyone.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Narasimha Rao,

> > > > > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are

> > > > > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted

> > > > > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or

> > > > > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of

> > > > > > India doing the same in the matter of

> > > > > > advertisement.The website is also a source of

> > > > > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility

> > > > > > on them. I will again go through the mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about

their

> > > work

> > > > > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have

no

> > > > > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not

> > > stereotype

> > > > > the priest community. There are also priests who are filled

> > with

> > > > > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and

humility

> > > and

> > > > > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a

good

> > idea.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some

> > sadhana

> > > > or

> > > > > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who

is in

> > > > > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can

> > > > > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people,

one

> > can

> > > > > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda

once

> > > > > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe

is " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > ---------------------------

----

> > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > ---------------------------

----

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 3, 2007

Dear Prabodhji,

Namaste.

First let me clear one matter.

You have spoken many times regarding this in

last few days, which talks I wished to avoid.

The " party " matter

was revealed only for my supporters to let them

know, that if required, I can tap the highest sources

for disciplinary action, and that I am not just talking

without any strength on my side. This was to let

these good people know, that if some call has

been given, then it is backing with some power

which can be tapped. Regarding your statement

" hiding my identify " . Yes one must never show

off, or else in todays times, he lands in trouble.

Today the poltitical situation and law and order

in the country is such that, fake encounters are

done, kidnappings are on the rise, anyone is killed

anywhere while traveliing, on way to temple, in

office, just anywhere anytime, without personal

venedatta, but just one from a particular party may

have axe to grind with another from another

party, and to create trouble , if one knows that

so n so is from such party, and soft target, he falls

easy prey.I am a family person basically, and

social person afterwards, inactive in social Life,

except when situations strike us directly, otherwise

not here to change to the world,

but to change my own self.

When Indira Gandhi,

Sanjay Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, after best Z Class

protection, were not spared, then who are we ?

We are small fish. We can be slaughtered anytime.

And since I am not a active worker, of my party,

then why should I go around beating any drum ?

I have never taken advantage of my position

for even basic matters such as even book railway

tickets in Quotas provided to us, nor ever slept in

free rooms for boardoing provided to us in

Secretariat when travelling to another city.

My basic nature does not permit me to even

have a cup of tea without giving back in

return from whom tea is served.

If I have salt in someones place (Orthodox thinking

but so it is) I cannot go against that person, therefore

I never have food even at anyones place.

I do not try to create any position for myself

where I may have to remain indebted to

any person or give him opportunity to

pressurise me for future favours of any type.

I do not even meet my president or go to attend

or receive VIPs or attend any meetings, then why

should I come in picture and become soft target ?

And I was invited for the posts, not that I went to

anyone to give me any. They come to once, I rejected,

after few years again they came to my house, opened

a special Position for a big constituency,

wanted me to become president of same, which I declined,

due to lack of time and other such reasons,

finally I agreed to become General secretary. You will

not find my name anywhere in Maharashatra Circles,

because I am not looking for any name or fame, but just

to work silently without coming on screen or in picture.

I have not even made any Visiting card for this purpose,

Yes I get scared. Anyone may use my card for getting me

in trouble which I wish to avoid. All my family members

too are not knowing that I am afflitated to any Political party.

Today anyone can take advantage and create trouble.

It is better not to do anything with such matters.

Hence there is no need for me to reveal anything to

anybody. Matter Closed . Period.

I am sorry about hearing of your experience at time

of your mothers ill health. This is one of the reasons

why I entered astrology. But you may not be interested

in the same. Not all astrologers are bad. Maybe due

to some reasons or fate you may not have found one,

to respond to your call at time of your mother.

I have felt this helplessness many times in my Life,

and have come to a state now, where I treat submission

to Gods will primarily, and astrological dependence,

secondarily.

Just day before, on Thursday my wife was arriving

to Bombay from Calcutta mail, and she boarded

the train on Thursday evening, within one hour she

started cold tremors, her fever shot up,

body went spasmodic, and yesterday early morning,

was boarded off at Raipur, put on wheel chair and

brought to Bombay by flight. I did not open her Kundli

to check her Dasha or antardasha. I do that only once

in 6 months for my family members, and rest of the

time leave all to God and his mercy.

I am not very close to any Devi or Devta, but I know

Lord Shri Krishna is well aware of my day to day actions

and keeps me showing His presence in many a way.

So does Shri Hanuman Baba.

Not because I am very good man, but maybe because

I am childlike in front of Him and talk to him

regularly without any pretensions.

I am not one of those, who foresees his Kundalini

Jagrun even within next 10-12 years. I am not ready

for that state, don't think how it can be done in

my case, because absolutely unfit for same, and in

any case this is a personal matter, and no real Yogi

with a Jagrut Kundalini reveals this. It is to be

understood by communion with that man , when

one realises, that this person is realised. And once

a Kundalini rises, the person no more remains a

sadhak, but surpasses that level.

You need not have concern about me. I am not

even a Sadhak and not yet begun on that path,

so forget attending any assembly of such people,

in this Life time.

Kundalini Jagrun is not such a easy

thing as is made out to be, It just does not concern

only physical exercises to be a done in a Group,

but consists mostly of a Life, led with Yama, Niyama,

right ethical behaviours, proper Kriya Yoga, Regular

meditation and constant proper action or inaction

(Silence- Parihaara) done with good motive, persistently

without breaks, with no letting loose to any sort

of aberrations.

I will never qualify for above, as of today.

Thanks for a positive response. And hope you never

misunderstand me.I shall not be able to reply any more

mails of now, due to ill health in family, and also have to

arrange finances for my daughters impending

marriage a few months away.You know how difficult it

is In India to marry ones daughter, and is a elaborate

affair which needs all types of attention.

Thank you for your patience for reading this long mail.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

, " Prabodh Vekhande "

<amolmandar wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Namaste

>

> > Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> > I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> > because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for which

> > I have several times thanked him, and do

> > so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

>

> You are again wrong! I am not at all inimical towards you or for that

> matter anybody on the group! Why should I be? I was, you can say,

> upset the way you take others for granted(at least I got the

> imression like that) and have 'my party' or 'his party' kind of

> attitude. It gives the impression that one must accept what Shree

> Bhaskar says or get ready to be attacked. Moreover, it is surprising

> to read that you dont want to reveal your identity as it is treated

> by many an act of arrogance and cowardice. How can there be serious

> discussions unless we know whom we are getting friendly with! On the

> one hand you talk of people's cowardice as they were not responding

> and on the other hand you under some foolish reason try to hide your

> identity! This is what I feel you are wrong at. When others do it

> (cowardice,trying to maintain image) you attack like anything but

> when it comes to your own turn you give all filmsy reasons to justify

> it. I am not preaching but feel that you can be little bit more

> subdued and remember that others will as well have their reasons to

> justify.

>

> Sharing knowledge

>

> I do not claim to know much about Jyotish or Sanskrit, but what ever

> I know I keep on sharing with others. Three years back when my mother

> was detected with breast cancer I wrote several mails of help to all

> the people who were/are scholar of Jyotish and related subjects. No

> body even bothered to suggest remedies. At that time I just started

> to learn jyotish and I was very optimistic about scholars helping me

> as I was very open and genuine in asking remedies to save my mother.

> Looking at this indifferent attitude of scholars I decided to do it

> myself. I started reading Granthas of ancient vidyas. Result was that

> I could prolong her stay by 11 months! That day I realised who is a

> scholar and how these people twist meanings of shlokas to suit their

> own theory. Now days Everybody is so near to Devi/Devata that you

> feel that all scholars are just one chakra short of Sashasrar! All

> scholars are highly spiritual and in coming few years we are likely

> to have assmebly of Kundalini Jagrut Sadhak! I hope you wont be one

> of them!

>

> Anyway, thanks for the company.

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalitji,

> >

> > But I am very much disullsioned by many so called Spiritual Masters

> > and Preachers of today. Most of them are enveloped in Maya and

> > they preach but dont practise.They wish to mantain their goody-goody

> > image and do not wish to be tainted or blemished.

> > These Masters should have come out with their knowledge

> > of interpreting shlokas and put to shame, to those

> > who misinterpret them. People like

> > me have to sort this out my my half baked knowledge of Sanskrit,

> > though being from Traditional Hindu family's we understand the

> normal

> > Sanskrit words and do not have to learn them for day to day use,

> but

> > grammatical knowledge is missing within us, and then we look upon

> > these Masters for some retreat. But it does not

> > come, for they do not wish to spoil their images.

> >

> > But they dont understand that if You wish to wear the Crown of

> > the King then you will have to make enemies in Life, in this

> process.

> > So what ? How many good friends does one have anyway otherwise too ?

> > Ask Rs.10000- temporary Loan from so called friends, then

> > one will come to know, how many real friends one has.

> > If you wish to acquire Pearls from underneath the shallow waters,

> then

> > you have to get your skin and clothes wet. These people can never

> acquire

> > the best venerated places in society with this attitude of

> appearing goody

> > goody and mantaining a clean image.

> >

> > I do not believe in vegetable preaching which is not practised.

> >

> > Chandrasekharji, Pradeepji and also Narsimharaoji have all let

> > us Hindus down with their silence and not coming

> > out forward with their knowledge when most needed, not just today,

> > but previously also I have seen their silence on many occasions

> > when they should have come forward. But

> > they just preach without practise.

> > Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> > I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> > because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for which

> > I have several times thanked him, and do

> > so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

> >

> > It is better to have criticisers near you who will make you a

> > Kohinoor, eventually by removing all the dirt from ones self,

> > rather than people who just talk and talk about God and

> > Shastras and how one should live, without actually showing

> > this by action. You have brought the goneby episode to the

> > notice of people at the risk of facing wrath from

> > the psuedo secularists, which you did face, but

> > at least you have had the guts to get stained in the

> > process. This ounce of spiritual action is 1000 times

> > better than actionless quintals of spiritual talks.

> >

> > Hope my point is made. I am not impressed with these

> > spiritual talks on board made by few. they will

> > always remain mediocre in my eyes whatever lofty

> > discussions they come up with. At times I just play upto

> > them with sweet words, to keep them away from me,

> > and not because they demand respect.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Narsimha,

> > >

> > > While reading ur mails i can feel the inner sweetness u have, but

> i

> > > have a weakness, I m very much uncomfortable with " Ji "

> and " Respect " .

> > >

> > > Pls. call me " Lalit " only, hearing " Lalit " by someone who is

> elder to

> > > me, sounds lovely to me.

> > >

> > > Yes, You are true, mother wanted you to write and respond to this

> > > thread, Very Soon, You will be participating more in groups to

> > > inspire people towards sadhana.

> > >

> > > Thanx to You and to her also.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for recounting your experience!

> > > >

> > > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at

> our

> > > > hand,

> > > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from

> his

> > > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long

> it

> > > will

> > > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > > >

> > > > Well-said. Sadhana is in one's hand and the fruits of sadhana

> are

> > > in

> > > > Her hand. All we can do to ensure quick results is to intensify

> our

> > > > sadhana and develop the sense of surrender.

> > > >

> > > > Actually, one could even argue that not just the fruits of

> sadhana

> > > > but the sadhana itself is not in our hands and we do sadhana

> only

> > > > when She wants us to. That may be true at a level too, but

> there is

> > > > nothing to discuss or do if one adopts that viewpoint! If we

> > > believe

> > > > that there is something called " free will " at a level, then we

> can

> > > > talk about exercising it to become closer to god (i.e. purify

> > > > ourselves).

> > > >

> > > > Hopefully, I am writing all this as She willed me to and

> hopefully

> > > > She wills a few people reading this thread to intensify their

> > > sadhana

> > > > and make quick progress.

> > > >

> > > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

> exactly

> > > what

> > > > i

> > > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > > >

> > > > Even one good in English cannot express these matters clearly

> in

> > > > vaikhari! The matters we are discussing have so many angles to

> them

> > > > and so vast in scope that it is is very difficult to express

> > > exactly.

> > > > Two people with identical views may end up looking as though

> they

> > > are

> > > > opposing each other.

> > > >

> > > > I do understand you and my respectful salutations to you and

> other

> > > > members!

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------------

> > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > -------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Narsimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding cleaning of the heart, I wish to share one of my

> > > > > experiences, that i had during my recent visit to Kedarnath.

> > > > >

> > > > > After some years,I started knowing that i have a certain

> level of

> > > > > impurity within me and it was blocking my Vishudha Chakra

> area.

> > > It

> > > > > has been painful but it was not at my hand, I had to tolerate

> it,

> > > > > like cancer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whenever I was trying to go deeper it I was blocked,

> remaining

> > > > > thirsty.

> > > > >

> > > > > Somehow, moter blessed me and skipping the vishuddha chakra,

> I

> > > was

> > > > > able to bring my senses to agya chakra to chant " Hreeng " ,

> still,

> > > i

> > > > > was not knowing what is function and connection of " Hreeng "

> with

> > > > > mother divine. You know mantra and thoughts were different,

> all

> > > was

> > > > > assumption to feel good, it took some 12 - 13 yrs in this

> stage,

> > > > this

> > > > > navartri only i could understand what the " Hreeng " is. Mother

> > > shown

> > > > > it's connection to her and also the function. It contains 3

> types

> > > > of

> > > > > shaktis, I mean, three shaktis are integrated in it -

> Mahakali,

> > > > > Mahalakschhami and Mahasaraswati. this is what i was shown by

> > > > mother

> > > > > divine so, i need not chant various mantras thinking this one

> is

> > > > for

> > > > > maa sharada and this one is for maa lakschhami.

> > > > >

> > > > > but vishuddha chakra's problem was still persisiting.

> > > > >

> > > > > To reach the Kedarnath, u need to walk 14 KM from Gauri Kund,

> > > First

> > > > 7

> > > > > KM's i covered almost in 2 hrss. I had a small attack like

> ulcer

> > > > some

> > > > > 3 yrs back, when i reached 9'th KM's stop, I started feeling

> > > > burning

> > > > > sensation in my stomach, It was in the muscles. The pain was

> just

> > > > > beginning... my 2 friends were behind me by 50 mtrs. I

> thought if

> > > > > problem increases, they will suffer unnecessary, so, I kept

> going.

> > > > >

> > > > > As the pain was increasing, my outer senses started

> contracting

> > > and

> > > > i

> > > > > was like going within my mind, chanting " Om Namah Shivaya " . I

> > > > stopped

> > > > > also twice for a while.

> > > > >

> > > > > The pain and chanting was in sync. and all of sudden,

> > > effortlessly,

> > > > I

> > > > > was able to sit within the Vishudha Chakra and chant " Om

> Namah

> > > > > Shivaya " . I can do same while posting this mail to you.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at

> our

> > > > hand,

> > > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes from

> his

> > > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long

> it

> > > will

> > > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > > > >

> > > > > The best part is when i reached KedarNathm the pain was over,

> I

> > > > never

> > > > > took any medicine as of now, I m healthy like earlier.

> > > > >

> > > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

> exactly

> > > what

> > > > i

> > > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > surrender does count, but before one should have dare to

> reject

> > > the

> > > > > God also, these were two stages in my life. I never

> compromised

> > > nor

> > > > > feared the God, I loved and got his love.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but

> next

> > > > > > moment

> > > > > > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance

> > > their

> > > > > > deeds.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for

> > > > > > particular

> > > > > > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if

> > > one's

> > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > is clean.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further

> effort

> > > is

> > > > > > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for

> > > sadhana,

> > > > > not

> > > > > > many can do any sadhana.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are

> designed so

> > > > > that

> > > > > > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart

> > > > eventually.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that

> one

> > > > > > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following

> > > certain

> > > > > > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and

> head

> > > > and

> > > > > > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same

> > > place

> > > > > > facing the same direction and around the same time

> everyday)

> > > will

> > > > > > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the

> > > > > > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as

> one

> > > > > > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to

> flow

> > > > faster.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along

> > > with

> > > > > > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result

> > > > changes

> > > > > > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and

> think

> > > > good

> > > > > > then

> > > > > > > only a sadhana will be usefull.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma

> yoga.

> > > > > > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform

> > > > > sadhana.

> > > > > > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti

> yoga

> > > > > > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all

> valid

> > > > paths

> > > > > > to purify oneself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary

> and

> > > > it

> > > > > > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the

> > > > intent

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > more important.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very

> low

> > > > level

> > > > > > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough.

> Otherwise, it

> > > > is

> > > > > > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is

> a

> > > > > > generic one for everyone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Narasimha Rao,

> > > > > > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are

> > > > > > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted

> > > > > > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or

> > > > > > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of

> > > > > > > India doing the same in the matter of

> > > > > > > advertisement.The website is also a source of

> > > > > > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility

> > > > > > > on them. I will again go through the mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about

> their

> > > > work

> > > > > > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have

> no

> > > > > > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not

> > > > stereotype

> > > > > > the priest community. There are also priests who are filled

> > > with

> > > > > > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and

> humility

> > > > and

> > > > > > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a

> good

> > > idea.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some

> > > sadhana

> > > > > or

> > > > > > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who

> is in

> > > > > > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can

> > > > > > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people,

> one

> > > can

> > > > > > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda

> once

> > > > > > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe

> is " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > ---------------------------

> ----

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> > > > > > Spirituality:

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> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > ---------------------------

> ----

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 3, 2007

Dear Bhaskar Namaste

I hope your family is well now and wish that she recovers as soon

as possible. My wishes for your daughter's shadi as well. May she

enjoy troublefree full married life. Shadi ke ghar me hazar kam hote

hain. Mere layak koi seva ho to please remember me.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodhji,

>

> Namaste.

>

> First let me clear one matter.

> You have spoken many times regarding this in

> last few days, which talks I wished to avoid.

> The " party " matter

> was revealed only for my supporters to let them

> know, that if required, I can tap the highest sources

> for disciplinary action, and that I am not just talking

> without any strength on my side. This was to let

> these good people know, that if some call has

> been given, then it is backing with some power

> which can be tapped. Regarding your statement

> " hiding my identify " . Yes one must never show

> off, or else in todays times, he lands in trouble.

> Today the poltitical situation and law and order

> in the country is such that, fake encounters are

> done, kidnappings are on the rise, anyone is killed

> anywhere while traveliing, on way to temple, in

> office, just anywhere anytime, without personal

> venedatta, but just one from a particular party may

> have axe to grind with another from another

> party, and to create trouble , if one knows that

> so n so is from such party, and soft target, he falls

> easy prey.I am a family person basically, and

> social person afterwards, inactive in social Life,

> except when situations strike us directly, otherwise

> not here to change to the world,

> but to change my own self.

>

> When Indira Gandhi,

> Sanjay Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, after best Z Class

> protection, were not spared, then who are we ?

> We are small fish. We can be slaughtered anytime.

> And since I am not a active worker, of my party,

> then why should I go around beating any drum ?

> I have never taken advantage of my position

> for even basic matters such as even book railway

> tickets in Quotas provided to us, nor ever slept in

> free rooms for boardoing provided to us in

> Secretariat when travelling to another city.

> My basic nature does not permit me to even

> have a cup of tea without giving back in

> return from whom tea is served.

> If I have salt in someones place (Orthodox thinking

> but so it is) I cannot go against that person, therefore

> I never have food even at anyones place.

> I do not try to create any position for myself

> where I may have to remain indebted to

> any person or give him opportunity to

> pressurise me for future favours of any type.

> I do not even meet my president or go to attend

> or receive VIPs or attend any meetings, then why

> should I come in picture and become soft target ?

> And I was invited for the posts, not that I went to

> anyone to give me any. They come to once, I rejected,

> after few years again they came to my house, opened

> a special Position for a big constituency,

> wanted me to become president of same, which I declined,

> due to lack of time and other such reasons,

> finally I agreed to become General secretary. You will

> not find my name anywhere in Maharashatra Circles,

> because I am not looking for any name or fame, but just

> to work silently without coming on screen or in picture.

> I have not even made any Visiting card for this purpose,

> Yes I get scared. Anyone may use my card for getting me

> in trouble which I wish to avoid. All my family members

> too are not knowing that I am afflitated to any Political party.

> Today anyone can take advantage and create trouble.

> It is better not to do anything with such matters.

> Hence there is no need for me to reveal anything to

> anybody. Matter Closed . Period.

>

> I am sorry about hearing of your experience at time

> of your mothers ill health. This is one of the reasons

> why I entered astrology. But you may not be interested

> in the same. Not all astrologers are bad. Maybe due

> to some reasons or fate you may not have found one,

> to respond to your call at time of your mother.

> I have felt this helplessness many times in my Life,

> and have come to a state now, where I treat submission

> to Gods will primarily, and astrological dependence,

> secondarily.

>

> Just day before, on Thursday my wife was arriving

> to Bombay from Calcutta mail, and she boarded

> the train on Thursday evening, within one hour she

> started cold tremors, her fever shot up,

> body went spasmodic, and yesterday early morning,

> was boarded off at Raipur, put on wheel chair and

> brought to Bombay by flight. I did not open her Kundli

> to check her Dasha or antardasha. I do that only once

> in 6 months for my family members, and rest of the

> time leave all to God and his mercy.

>

> I am not very close to any Devi or Devta, but I know

> Lord Shri Krishna is well aware of my day to day actions

> and keeps me showing His presence in many a way.

> So does Shri Hanuman Baba.

> Not because I am very good man, but maybe because

> I am childlike in front of Him and talk to him

> regularly without any pretensions.

>

> I am not one of those, who foresees his Kundalini

> Jagrun even within next 10-12 years. I am not ready

> for that state, don't think how it can be done in

> my case, because absolutely unfit for same, and in

> any case this is a personal matter, and no real Yogi

> with a Jagrut Kundalini reveals this. It is to be

> understood by communion with that man , when

> one realises, that this person is realised. And once

> a Kundalini rises, the person no more remains a

> sadhak, but surpasses that level.

> You need not have concern about me. I am not

> even a Sadhak and not yet begun on that path,

> so forget attending any assembly of such people,

> in this Life time.

> Kundalini Jagrun is not such a easy

> thing as is made out to be, It just does not concern

> only physical exercises to be a done in a Group,

> but consists mostly of a Life, led with Yama, Niyama,

> right ethical behaviours, proper Kriya Yoga, Regular

> meditation and constant proper action or inaction

> (Silence- Parihaara) done with good motive, persistently

> without breaks, with no letting loose to any sort

> of aberrations.

> I will never qualify for above, as of today.

>

> Thanks for a positive response. And hope you never

> misunderstand me.I shall not be able to reply any more

> mails of now, due to ill health in family, and also have to

> arrange finances for my daughters impending

> marriage a few months away.You know how difficult it

> is In India to marry ones daughter, and is a elaborate

> affair which needs all types of attention.

>

> Thank you for your patience for reading this long mail.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

, " Prabodh Vekhande "

> <amolmandar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Namaste

> >

> > > Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> > > I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> > > because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for

which

> > > I have several times thanked him, and do

> > > so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

> >

> > You are again wrong! I am not at all inimical towards you or for

that

> > matter anybody on the group! Why should I be? I was, you can say,

> > upset the way you take others for granted(at least I got the

> > imression like that) and have 'my party' or 'his party' kind of

> > attitude. It gives the impression that one must accept what Shree

> > Bhaskar says or get ready to be attacked. Moreover, it is

surprising

> > to read that you dont want to reveal your identity as it is

treated

> > by many an act of arrogance and cowardice. How can there be

serious

> > discussions unless we know whom we are getting friendly with! On

the

> > one hand you talk of people's cowardice as they were not

responding

> > and on the other hand you under some foolish reason try to hide

your

> > identity! This is what I feel you are wrong at. When others do it

> > (cowardice,trying to maintain image) you attack like anything but

> > when it comes to your own turn you give all filmsy reasons to

justify

> > it. I am not preaching but feel that you can be little bit more

> > subdued and remember that others will as well have their reasons

to

> > justify.

> >

> > Sharing knowledge

> >

> > I do not claim to know much about Jyotish or Sanskrit, but what

ever

> > I know I keep on sharing with others. Three years back when my

mother

> > was detected with breast cancer I wrote several mails of help to

all

> > the people who were/are scholar of Jyotish and related subjects.

No

> > body even bothered to suggest remedies. At that time I just

started

> > to learn jyotish and I was very optimistic about scholars helping

me

> > as I was very open and genuine in asking remedies to save my

mother.

> > Looking at this indifferent attitude of scholars I decided to do

it

> > myself. I started reading Granthas of ancient vidyas. Result was

that

> > I could prolong her stay by 11 months! That day I realised who is

a

> > scholar and how these people twist meanings of shlokas to suit

their

> > own theory. Now days Everybody is so near to Devi/Devata that you

> > feel that all scholars are just one chakra short of Sashasrar!

All

> > scholars are highly spiritual and in coming few years we are

likely

> > to have assmebly of Kundalini Jagrut Sadhak! I hope you wont be

one

> > of them!

> >

> > Anyway, thanks for the company.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalitji,

> > >

> > > But I am very much disullsioned by many so called Spiritual

Masters

> > > and Preachers of today. Most of them are enveloped in Maya and

> > > they preach but dont practise.They wish to mantain their goody-

goody

> > > image and do not wish to be tainted or blemished.

> > > These Masters should have come out with their knowledge

> > > of interpreting shlokas and put to shame, to those

> > > who misinterpret them. People like

> > > me have to sort this out my my half baked knowledge of

Sanskrit,

> > > though being from Traditional Hindu family's we understand the

> > normal

> > > Sanskrit words and do not have to learn them for day to day

use,

> > but

> > > grammatical knowledge is missing within us, and then we look

upon

> > > these Masters for some retreat. But it does not

> > > come, for they do not wish to spoil their images.

> > >

> > > But they dont understand that if You wish to wear the Crown of

> > > the King then you will have to make enemies in Life, in this

> > process.

> > > So what ? How many good friends does one have anyway otherwise

too ?

> > > Ask Rs.10000- temporary Loan from so called friends, then

> > > one will come to know, how many real friends one has.

> > > If you wish to acquire Pearls from underneath the shallow

waters,

> > then

> > > you have to get your skin and clothes wet. These people can

never

> > acquire

> > > the best venerated places in society with this attitude of

> > appearing goody

> > > goody and mantaining a clean image.

> > >

> > > I do not believe in vegetable preaching which is not practised.

> > >

> > > Chandrasekharji, Pradeepji and also Narsimharaoji have all let

> > > us Hindus down with their silence and not coming

> > > out forward with their knowledge when most needed, not just

today,

> > > but previously also I have seen their silence on many occasions

> > > when they should have come forward. But

> > > they just preach without practise.

> > > Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> > > I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> > > because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for

which

> > > I have several times thanked him, and do

> > > so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

> > >

> > > It is better to have criticisers near you who will make you a

> > > Kohinoor, eventually by removing all the dirt from ones self,

> > > rather than people who just talk and talk about God and

> > > Shastras and how one should live, without actually showing

> > > this by action. You have brought the goneby episode to the

> > > notice of people at the risk of facing wrath from

> > > the psuedo secularists, which you did face, but

> > > at least you have had the guts to get stained in the

> > > process. This ounce of spiritual action is 1000 times

> > > better than actionless quintals of spiritual talks.

> > >

> > > Hope my point is made. I am not impressed with these

> > > spiritual talks on board made by few. they will

> > > always remain mediocre in my eyes whatever lofty

> > > discussions they come up with. At times I just play upto

> > > them with sweet words, to keep them away from me,

> > > and not because they demand respect.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > While reading ur mails i can feel the inner sweetness u have,

but

> > i

> > > > have a weakness, I m very much uncomfortable with " Ji "

> > and " Respect " .

> > > >

> > > > Pls. call me " Lalit " only, hearing " Lalit " by someone who is

> > elder to

> > > > me, sounds lovely to me.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, You are true, mother wanted you to write and respond to

this

> > > > thread, Very Soon, You will be participating more in groups

to

> > > > inspire people towards sadhana.

> > > >

> > > > Thanx to You and to her also.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for recounting your experience!

> > > > >

> > > > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not

at

> > our

> > > > > hand,

> > > > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes

from

> > his

> > > > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how

long

> > it

> > > > will

> > > > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well-said. Sadhana is in one's hand and the fruits of

sadhana

> > are

> > > > in

> > > > > Her hand. All we can do to ensure quick results is to

intensify

> > our

> > > > > sadhana and develop the sense of surrender.

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually, one could even argue that not just the fruits of

> > sadhana

> > > > > but the sadhana itself is not in our hands and we do

sadhana

> > only

> > > > > when She wants us to. That may be true at a level too, but

> > there is

> > > > > nothing to discuss or do if one adopts that viewpoint! If

we

> > > > believe

> > > > > that there is something called " free will " at a level, then

we

> > can

> > > > > talk about exercising it to become closer to god (i.e.

purify

> > > > > ourselves).

> > > > >

> > > > > Hopefully, I am writing all this as She willed me to and

> > hopefully

> > > > > She wills a few people reading this thread to intensify

their

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > and make quick progress.

> > > > >

> > > > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

> > exactly

> > > > what

> > > > > i

> > > > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even one good in English cannot express these matters

clearly

> > in

> > > > > vaikhari! The matters we are discussing have so many angles

to

> > them

> > > > > and so vast in scope that it is is very difficult to

express

> > > > exactly.

> > > > > Two people with identical views may end up looking as

though

> > they

> > > > are

> > > > > opposing each other.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do understand you and my respectful salutations to you

and

> > other

> > > > > members!

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > ---------------------------

----

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> > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

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> > > > > ---------------------------

----

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narsimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding cleaning of the heart, I wish to share one of

my

> > > > > > experiences, that i had during my recent visit to

Kedarnath.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After some years,I started knowing that i have a certain

> > level of

> > > > > > impurity within me and it was blocking my Vishudha Chakra

> > area.

> > > > It

> > > > > > has been painful but it was not at my hand, I had to

tolerate

> > it,

> > > > > > like cancer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whenever I was trying to go deeper it I was blocked,

> > remaining

> > > > > > thirsty.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Somehow, moter blessed me and skipping the vishuddha

chakra,

> > I

> > > > was

> > > > > > able to bring my senses to agya chakra to chant " Hreeng " ,

> > still,

> > > > i

> > > > > > was not knowing what is function and connection

of " Hreeng "

> > with

> > > > > > mother divine. You know mantra and thoughts were

different,

> > all

> > > > was

> > > > > > assumption to feel good, it took some 12 - 13 yrs in this

> > stage,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > navartri only i could understand what the " Hreeng " is.

Mother

> > > > shown

> > > > > > it's connection to her and also the function. It contains

3

> > types

> > > > > of

> > > > > > shaktis, I mean, three shaktis are integrated in it -

> > Mahakali,

> > > > > > Mahalakschhami and Mahasaraswati. this is what i was

shown by

> > > > > mother

> > > > > > divine so, i need not chant various mantras thinking this

one

> > is

> > > > > for

> > > > > > maa sharada and this one is for maa lakschhami.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but vishuddha chakra's problem was still persisiting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To reach the Kedarnath, u need to walk 14 KM from Gauri

Kund,

> > > > First

> > > > > 7

> > > > > > KM's i covered almost in 2 hrss. I had a small attack

like

> > ulcer

> > > > > some

> > > > > > 3 yrs back, when i reached 9'th KM's stop, I started

feeling

> > > > > burning

> > > > > > sensation in my stomach, It was in the muscles. The pain

was

> > just

> > > > > > beginning... my 2 friends were behind me by 50 mtrs. I

> > thought if

> > > > > > problem increases, they will suffer unnecessary, so, I

kept

> > going.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As the pain was increasing, my outer senses started

> > contracting

> > > > and

> > > > > i

> > > > > > was like going within my mind, chanting " Om Namah

Shivaya " . I

> > > > > stopped

> > > > > > also twice for a while.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The pain and chanting was in sync. and all of sudden,

> > > > effortlessly,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > was able to sit within the Vishudha Chakra and chant " Om

> > Namah

> > > > > > Shivaya " . I can do same while posting this mail to you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not

at

> > our

> > > > > hand,

> > > > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes

from

> > his

> > > > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how

long

> > it

> > > > will

> > > > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The best part is when i reached KedarNathm the pain was

over,

> > I

> > > > > never

> > > > > > took any medicine as of now, I m healthy like earlier.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

> > exactly

> > > > what

> > > > > i

> > > > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > surrender does count, but before one should have dare to

> > reject

> > > > the

> > > > > > God also, these were two stages in my life. I never

> > compromised

> > > > nor

> > > > > > feared the God, I loved and got his love.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

<pvr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sri Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day

but

> > next

> > > > > > > moment

> > > > > > > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will

balance

> > > > their

> > > > > > > deeds.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras

for

> > > > > > > particular

> > > > > > > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do

only if

> > > > one's

> > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > is clean.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further

> > effort

> > > > is

> > > > > > > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for

> > > > sadhana,

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > many can do any sadhana.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are

> > designed so

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart

> > > > > eventually.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain

that

> > one

> > > > > > > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while

following

> > > > certain

> > > > > > > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back

and

> > head

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the

same

> > > > place

> > > > > > > facing the same direction and around the same time

> > everyday)

> > > > will

> > > > > > > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In

the

> > > > > > > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but

as

> > one

> > > > > > > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to

> > flow

> > > > > faster.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do,

along

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious

result

> > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and

> > think

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > only a sadhana will be usefull.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma

> > yoga.

> > > > > > > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to

perform

> > > > > > sadhana.

> > > > > > > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and

bhakti

> > yoga

> > > > > > > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all

> > valid

> > > > > paths

> > > > > > > to purify oneself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if

necessary

> > and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's

the

> > > > > intent

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > more important.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a

very

> > low

> > > > > level

> > > > > > > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough.

> > Otherwise, it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My

advice is

> > a

> > > > > > > generic one for everyone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Narasimha Rao,

> > > > > > > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are

> > > > > > > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted

> > > > > > > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or

> > > > > > > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of

> > > > > > > > India doing the same in the matter of

> > > > > > > > advertisement.The website is also a source of

> > > > > > > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility

> > > > > > > > on them. I will again go through the mail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about

> > their

> > > > > work

> > > > > > > as a business without any devotion or compassion and

have

> > no

> > > > > > > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us

not

> > > > > stereotype

> > > > > > > the priest community. There are also priests who are

filled

> > > > with

> > > > > > > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and

> > humility

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a

> > good

> > > > idea.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do

some

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > the other at some level or the other. However, if one

who

> > is in

> > > > > > > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I

can

> > > > > > > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such

people,

> > one

> > > > can

> > > > > > > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda

> > once

> > > > > > > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the

universe

> > is " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > -----------------------

----

> > ----

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> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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> > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > -----------------------

----

> > ----

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 3, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji

Wish good health in your family and all the best for your daughters

marriage.

Prayers

Pradeep

, " Prabodh Vekhande "

<amolmandar wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Namaste

>

> I hope your family is well now and wish that she recovers as soon

> as possible. My wishes for your daughter's shadi as well. May she

> enjoy troublefree full married life. Shadi ke ghar me hazar kam hote

> hain. Mere layak koi seva ho to please remember me.

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prabodhji,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > First let me clear one matter.

> > You have spoken many times regarding this in

> > last few days, which talks I wished to avoid.

> > The " party " matter

> > was revealed only for my supporters to let them

> > know, that if required, I can tap the highest sources

> > for disciplinary action, and that I am not just talking

> > without any strength on my side. This was to let

> > these good people know, that if some call has

> > been given, then it is backing with some power

> > which can be tapped. Regarding your statement

> > " hiding my identify " . Yes one must never show

> > off, or else in todays times, he lands in trouble.

> > Today the poltitical situation and law and order

> > in the country is such that, fake encounters are

> > done, kidnappings are on the rise, anyone is killed

> > anywhere while traveliing, on way to temple, in

> > office, just anywhere anytime, without personal

> > venedatta, but just one from a particular party may

> > have axe to grind with another from another

> > party, and to create trouble , if one knows that

> > so n so is from such party, and soft target, he falls

> > easy prey.I am a family person basically, and

> > social person afterwards, inactive in social Life,

> > except when situations strike us directly, otherwise

> > not here to change to the world,

> > but to change my own self.

> >

> > When Indira Gandhi,

> > Sanjay Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, after best Z Class

> > protection, were not spared, then who are we ?

> > We are small fish. We can be slaughtered anytime.

> > And since I am not a active worker, of my party,

> > then why should I go around beating any drum ?

> > I have never taken advantage of my position

> > for even basic matters such as even book railway

> > tickets in Quotas provided to us, nor ever slept in

> > free rooms for boardoing provided to us in

> > Secretariat when travelling to another city.

> > My basic nature does not permit me to even

> > have a cup of tea without giving back in

> > return from whom tea is served.

> > If I have salt in someones place (Orthodox thinking

> > but so it is) I cannot go against that person, therefore

> > I never have food even at anyones place.

> > I do not try to create any position for myself

> > where I may have to remain indebted to

> > any person or give him opportunity to

> > pressurise me for future favours of any type.

> > I do not even meet my president or go to attend

> > or receive VIPs or attend any meetings, then why

> > should I come in picture and become soft target ?

> > And I was invited for the posts, not that I went to

> > anyone to give me any. They come to once, I rejected,

> > after few years again they came to my house, opened

> > a special Position for a big constituency,

> > wanted me to become president of same, which I declined,

> > due to lack of time and other such reasons,

> > finally I agreed to become General secretary. You will

> > not find my name anywhere in Maharashatra Circles,

> > because I am not looking for any name or fame, but just

> > to work silently without coming on screen or in picture.

> > I have not even made any Visiting card for this purpose,

> > Yes I get scared. Anyone may use my card for getting me

> > in trouble which I wish to avoid. All my family members

> > too are not knowing that I am afflitated to any Political party.

> > Today anyone can take advantage and create trouble.

> > It is better not to do anything with such matters.

> > Hence there is no need for me to reveal anything to

> > anybody. Matter Closed . Period.

> >

> > I am sorry about hearing of your experience at time

> > of your mothers ill health. This is one of the reasons

> > why I entered astrology. But you may not be interested

> > in the same. Not all astrologers are bad. Maybe due

> > to some reasons or fate you may not have found one,

> > to respond to your call at time of your mother.

> > I have felt this helplessness many times in my Life,

> > and have come to a state now, where I treat submission

> > to Gods will primarily, and astrological dependence,

> > secondarily.

> >

> > Just day before, on Thursday my wife was arriving

> > to Bombay from Calcutta mail, and she boarded

> > the train on Thursday evening, within one hour she

> > started cold tremors, her fever shot up,

> > body went spasmodic, and yesterday early morning,

> > was boarded off at Raipur, put on wheel chair and

> > brought to Bombay by flight. I did not open her Kundli

> > to check her Dasha or antardasha. I do that only once

> > in 6 months for my family members, and rest of the

> > time leave all to God and his mercy.

> >

> > I am not very close to any Devi or Devta, but I know

> > Lord Shri Krishna is well aware of my day to day actions

> > and keeps me showing His presence in many a way.

> > So does Shri Hanuman Baba.

> > Not because I am very good man, but maybe because

> > I am childlike in front of Him and talk to him

> > regularly without any pretensions.

> >

> > I am not one of those, who foresees his Kundalini

> > Jagrun even within next 10-12 years. I am not ready

> > for that state, don't think how it can be done in

> > my case, because absolutely unfit for same, and in

> > any case this is a personal matter, and no real Yogi

> > with a Jagrut Kundalini reveals this. It is to be

> > understood by communion with that man , when

> > one realises, that this person is realised. And once

> > a Kundalini rises, the person no more remains a

> > sadhak, but surpasses that level.

> > You need not have concern about me. I am not

> > even a Sadhak and not yet begun on that path,

> > so forget attending any assembly of such people,

> > in this Life time.

> > Kundalini Jagrun is not such a easy

> > thing as is made out to be, It just does not concern

> > only physical exercises to be a done in a Group,

> > but consists mostly of a Life, led with Yama, Niyama,

> > right ethical behaviours, proper Kriya Yoga, Regular

> > meditation and constant proper action or inaction

> > (Silence- Parihaara) done with good motive, persistently

> > without breaks, with no letting loose to any sort

> > of aberrations.

> > I will never qualify for above, as of today.

> >

> > Thanks for a positive response. And hope you never

> > misunderstand me.I shall not be able to reply any more

> > mails of now, due to ill health in family, and also have to

> > arrange finances for my daughters impending

> > marriage a few months away.You know how difficult it

> > is In India to marry ones daughter, and is a elaborate

> > affair which needs all types of attention.

> >

> > Thank you for your patience for reading this long mail.

> >

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > , " Prabodh Vekhande "

> > <amolmandar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Namaste

> > >

> > > > Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> > > > I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> > > > because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for

> which

> > > > I have several times thanked him, and do

> > > > so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

> > >

> > > You are again wrong! I am not at all inimical towards you or for

> that

> > > matter anybody on the group! Why should I be? I was, you can say,

> > > upset the way you take others for granted(at least I got the

> > > imression like that) and have 'my party' or 'his party' kind of

> > > attitude. It gives the impression that one must accept what Shree

> > > Bhaskar says or get ready to be attacked. Moreover, it is

> surprising

> > > to read that you dont want to reveal your identity as it is

> treated

> > > by many an act of arrogance and cowardice. How can there be

> serious

> > > discussions unless we know whom we are getting friendly with! On

> the

> > > one hand you talk of people's cowardice as they were not

> responding

> > > and on the other hand you under some foolish reason try to hide

> your

> > > identity! This is what I feel you are wrong at. When others do it

> > > (cowardice,trying to maintain image) you attack like anything but

> > > when it comes to your own turn you give all filmsy reasons to

> justify

> > > it. I am not preaching but feel that you can be little bit more

> > > subdued and remember that others will as well have their reasons

> to

> > > justify.

> > >

> > > Sharing knowledge

> > >

> > > I do not claim to know much about Jyotish or Sanskrit, but what

> ever

> > > I know I keep on sharing with others. Three years back when my

> mother

> > > was detected with breast cancer I wrote several mails of help to

> all

> > > the people who were/are scholar of Jyotish and related subjects.

> No

> > > body even bothered to suggest remedies. At that time I just

> started

> > > to learn jyotish and I was very optimistic about scholars helping

> me

> > > as I was very open and genuine in asking remedies to save my

> mother.

> > > Looking at this indifferent attitude of scholars I decided to do

> it

> > > myself. I started reading Granthas of ancient vidyas. Result was

> that

> > > I could prolong her stay by 11 months! That day I realised who is

> a

> > > scholar and how these people twist meanings of shlokas to suit

> their

> > > own theory. Now days Everybody is so near to Devi/Devata that you

> > > feel that all scholars are just one chakra short of Sashasrar!

> All

> > > scholars are highly spiritual and in coming few years we are

> likely

> > > to have assmebly of Kundalini Jagrut Sadhak! I hope you wont be

> one

> > > of them!

> > >

> > > Anyway, thanks for the company.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalitji,

> > > >

> > > > But I am very much disullsioned by many so called Spiritual

> Masters

> > > > and Preachers of today. Most of them are enveloped in Maya and

> > > > they preach but dont practise.They wish to mantain their goody-

> goody

> > > > image and do not wish to be tainted or blemished.

> > > > These Masters should have come out with their knowledge

> > > > of interpreting shlokas and put to shame, to those

> > > > who misinterpret them. People like

> > > > me have to sort this out my my half baked knowledge of

> Sanskrit,

> > > > though being from Traditional Hindu family's we understand the

> > > normal

> > > > Sanskrit words and do not have to learn them for day to day

> use,

> > > but

> > > > grammatical knowledge is missing within us, and then we look

> upon

> > > > these Masters for some retreat. But it does not

> > > > come, for they do not wish to spoil their images.

> > > >

> > > > But they dont understand that if You wish to wear the Crown of

> > > > the King then you will have to make enemies in Life, in this

> > > process.

> > > > So what ? How many good friends does one have anyway otherwise

> too ?

> > > > Ask Rs.10000- temporary Loan from so called friends, then

> > > > one will come to know, how many real friends one has.

> > > > If you wish to acquire Pearls from underneath the shallow

> waters,

> > > then

> > > > you have to get your skin and clothes wet. These people can

> never

> > > acquire

> > > > the best venerated places in society with this attitude of

> > > appearing goody

> > > > goody and mantaining a clean image.

> > > >

> > > > I do not believe in vegetable preaching which is not practised.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrasekharji, Pradeepji and also Narsimharaoji have all let

> > > > us Hindus down with their silence and not coming

> > > > out forward with their knowledge when most needed, not just

> today,

> > > > but previously also I have seen their silence on many occasions

> > > > when they should have come forward. But

> > > > they just preach without practise.

> > > > Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> > > > I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> > > > because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for

> which

> > > > I have several times thanked him, and do

> > > > so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

> > > >

> > > > It is better to have criticisers near you who will make you a

> > > > Kohinoor, eventually by removing all the dirt from ones self,

> > > > rather than people who just talk and talk about God and

> > > > Shastras and how one should live, without actually showing

> > > > this by action. You have brought the goneby episode to the

> > > > notice of people at the risk of facing wrath from

> > > > the psuedo secularists, which you did face, but

> > > > at least you have had the guts to get stained in the

> > > > process. This ounce of spiritual action is 1000 times

> > > > better than actionless quintals of spiritual talks.

> > > >

> > > > Hope my point is made. I am not impressed with these

> > > > spiritual talks on board made by few. they will

> > > > always remain mediocre in my eyes whatever lofty

> > > > discussions they come up with. At times I just play upto

> > > > them with sweet words, to keep them away from me,

> > > > and not because they demand respect.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Narsimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > While reading ur mails i can feel the inner sweetness u have,

> but

> > > i

> > > > > have a weakness, I m very much uncomfortable with " Ji "

> > > and " Respect " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. call me " Lalit " only, hearing " Lalit " by someone who is

> > > elder to

> > > > > me, sounds lovely to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, You are true, mother wanted you to write and respond to

> this

> > > > > thread, Very Soon, You will be participating more in groups

> to

> > > > > inspire people towards sadhana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanx to You and to her also.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for recounting your experience!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not

> at

> > > our

> > > > > > hand,

> > > > > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes

> from

> > > his

> > > > > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how

> long

> > > it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well-said. Sadhana is in one's hand and the fruits of

> sadhana

> > > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Her hand. All we can do to ensure quick results is to

> intensify

> > > our

> > > > > > sadhana and develop the sense of surrender.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually, one could even argue that not just the fruits of

> > > sadhana

> > > > > > but the sadhana itself is not in our hands and we do

> sadhana

> > > only

> > > > > > when She wants us to. That may be true at a level too, but

> > > there is

> > > > > > nothing to discuss or do if one adopts that viewpoint! If

> we

> > > > > believe

> > > > > > that there is something called " free will " at a level, then

> we

> > > can

> > > > > > talk about exercising it to become closer to god (i.e.

> purify

> > > > > > ourselves).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hopefully, I am writing all this as She willed me to and

> > > hopefully

> > > > > > She wills a few people reading this thread to intensify

> their

> > > > > sadhana

> > > > > > and make quick progress.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

> > > exactly

> > > > > what

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even one good in English cannot express these matters

> clearly

> > > in

> > > > > > vaikhari! The matters we are discussing have so many angles

> to

> > > them

> > > > > > and so vast in scope that it is is very difficult to

> express

> > > > > exactly.

> > > > > > Two people with identical views may end up looking as

> though

> > > they

> > > > > are

> > > > > > opposing each other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do understand you and my respectful salutations to you

> and

> > > other

> > > > > > members!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > > ---------------------------

> ----

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Narsimha,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding cleaning of the heart, I wish to share one of

> my

> > > > > > > experiences, that i had during my recent visit to

> Kedarnath.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After some years,I started knowing that i have a certain

> > > level of

> > > > > > > impurity within me and it was blocking my Vishudha Chakra

> > > area.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > has been painful but it was not at my hand, I had to

> tolerate

> > > it,

> > > > > > > like cancer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whenever I was trying to go deeper it I was blocked,

> > > remaining

> > > > > > > thirsty.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Somehow, moter blessed me and skipping the vishuddha

> chakra,

> > > I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > able to bring my senses to agya chakra to chant " Hreeng " ,

> > > still,

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > was not knowing what is function and connection

> of " Hreeng "

> > > with

> > > > > > > mother divine. You know mantra and thoughts were

> different,

> > > all

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > assumption to feel good, it took some 12 - 13 yrs in this

> > > stage,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > navartri only i could understand what the " Hreeng " is.

> Mother

> > > > > shown

> > > > > > > it's connection to her and also the function. It contains

> 3

> > > types

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > shaktis, I mean, three shaktis are integrated in it -

> > > Mahakali,

> > > > > > > Mahalakschhami and Mahasaraswati. this is what i was

> shown by

> > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > divine so, i need not chant various mantras thinking this

> one

> > > is

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > maa sharada and this one is for maa lakschhami.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but vishuddha chakra's problem was still persisiting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To reach the Kedarnath, u need to walk 14 KM from Gauri

> Kund,

> > > > > First

> > > > > > 7

> > > > > > > KM's i covered almost in 2 hrss. I had a small attack

> like

> > > ulcer

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > 3 yrs back, when i reached 9'th KM's stop, I started

> feeling

> > > > > > burning

> > > > > > > sensation in my stomach, It was in the muscles. The pain

> was

> > > just

> > > > > > > beginning... my 2 friends were behind me by 50 mtrs. I

> > > thought if

> > > > > > > problem increases, they will suffer unnecessary, so, I

> kept

> > > going.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As the pain was increasing, my outer senses started

> > > contracting

> > > > > and

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > was like going within my mind, chanting " Om Namah

> Shivaya " . I

> > > > > > stopped

> > > > > > > also twice for a while.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The pain and chanting was in sync. and all of sudden,

> > > > > effortlessly,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > was able to sit within the Vishudha Chakra and chant " Om

> > > Namah

> > > > > > > Shivaya " . I can do same while posting this mail to you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not

> at

> > > our

> > > > > > hand,

> > > > > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes

> from

> > > his

> > > > > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how

> long

> > > it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The best part is when i reached KedarNathm the pain was

> over,

> > > I

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > took any medicine as of now, I m healthy like earlier.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

> > > exactly

> > > > > what

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > surrender does count, but before one should have dare to

> > > reject

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > God also, these were two stages in my life. I never

> > > compromised

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > > feared the God, I loved and got his love.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sri Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day

> but

> > > next

> > > > > > > > moment

> > > > > > > > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will

> balance

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > deeds.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras

> for

> > > > > > > > particular

> > > > > > > > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do

> only if

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > > is clean.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further

> > > effort

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for

> > > > > sadhana,

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > many can do any sadhana.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are

> > > designed so

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart

> > > > > > eventually.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain

> that

> > > one

> > > > > > > > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while

> following

> > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back

> and

> > > head

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the

> same

> > > > > place

> > > > > > > > facing the same direction and around the same time

> > > everyday)

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In

> the

> > > > > > > > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but

> as

> > > one

> > > > > > > > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to

> > > flow

> > > > > > faster.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do,

> along

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious

> result

> > > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and

> > > think

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > only a sadhana will be usefull.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma

> > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to

> perform

> > > > > > > sadhana.

> > > > > > > > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and

> bhakti

> > > yoga

> > > > > > > > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all

> > > valid

> > > > > > paths

> > > > > > > > to purify oneself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if

> necessary

> > > and

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's

> the

> > > > > > intent

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > more important.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a

> very

> > > low

> > > > > > level

> > > > > > > > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough.

> > > Otherwise, it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My

> advice is

> > > a

> > > > > > > > generic one for everyone.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Narasimha Rao,

> > > > > > > > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are

> > > > > > > > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted

> > > > > > > > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or

> > > > > > > > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of

> > > > > > > > > India doing the same in the matter of

> > > > > > > > > advertisement.The website is also a source of

> > > > > > > > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility

> > > > > > > > > on them. I will again go through the mail.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about

> > > their

> > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > as a business without any devotion or compassion and

> have

> > > no

> > > > > > > > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us

> not

> > > > > > stereotype

> > > > > > > > the priest community. There are also priests who are

> filled

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and

> > > humility

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a

> > > good

> > > > > idea.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do

> some

> > > > > sadhana

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > the other at some level or the other. However, if one

> who

> > > is in

> > > > > > > > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I

> can

> > > > > > > > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such

> people,

> > > one

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda

> > > once

> > > > > > > > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the

> universe

> > > is " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > -----------------------

> ----

> > > ----

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> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

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> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > -----------------------

> ----

> > > ----

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 4, 2007

Bhaskar ji,

Let the blessings of Hanuman ji be with your mother, wife and

daughter. Let them be cured as fast as possible.

Since you are the general secratary of a big party, we have a good

leader and we should keep up the fight aginst this man. You shouldn't be

affraid - after all what ever happens is god's wish.

Jai Mahakala,

Vijaya raghavan guruvayur

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodhji,

>

> Namaste.

>

> First let me clear one matter.

> You have spoken many times regarding this in

> last few days, which talks I wished to avoid.

> The " party " matter

> was revealed only for my supporters to let them

> know, that if required, I can tap the highest sources

> for disciplinary action, and that I am not just talking

> without any strength on my side. This was to let

> these good people know, that if some call has

> been given, then it is backing with some power

> which can be tapped. Regarding your statement

> " hiding my identify " . Yes one must never show

> off, or else in todays times, he lands in trouble.

> Today the poltitical situation and law and order

> in the country is such that, fake encounters are

> done, kidnappings are on the rise, anyone is killed

> anywhere while traveliing, on way to temple, in

> office, just anywhere anytime, without personal

> venedatta, but just one from a particular party may

> have axe to grind with another from another

> party, and to create trouble , if one knows that

> so n so is from such party, and soft target, he falls

> easy prey.I am a family person basically, and

> social person afterwards, inactive in social Life,

> except when situations strike us directly, otherwise

> not here to change to the world,

> but to change my own self.

>

> When Indira Gandhi,

> Sanjay Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, after best Z Class

> protection, were not spared, then who are we ?

> We are small fish. We can be slaughtered anytime.

> And since I am not a active worker, of my party,

> then why should I go around beating any drum ?

> I have never taken advantage of my position

> for even basic matters such as even book railway

> tickets in Quotas provided to us, nor ever slept in

> free rooms for boardoing provided to us in

> Secretariat when travelling to another city.

> My basic nature does not permit me to even

> have a cup of tea without giving back in

> return from whom tea is served.

> If I have salt in someones place (Orthodox thinking

> but so it is) I cannot go against that person, therefore

> I never have food even at anyones place.

> I do not try to create any position for myself

> where I may have to remain indebted to

> any person or give him opportunity to

> pressurise me for future favours of any type.

> I do not even meet my president or go to attend

> or receive VIPs or attend any meetings, then why

> should I come in picture and become soft target ?

> And I was invited for the posts, not that I went to

> anyone to give me any. They come to once, I rejected,

> after few years again they came to my house, opened

> a special Position for a big constituency,

> wanted me to become president of same, which I declined,

> due to lack of time and other such reasons,

> finally I agreed to become General secretary. You will

> not find my name anywhere in Maharashatra Circles,

> because I am not looking for any name or fame, but just

> to work silently without coming on screen or in picture.

> I have not even made any Visiting card for this purpose,

> Yes I get scared. Anyone may use my card for getting me

> in trouble which I wish to avoid. All my family members

> too are not knowing that I am afflitated to any Political party.

> Today anyone can take advantage and create trouble.

> It is better not to do anything with such matters.

> Hence there is no need for me to reveal anything to

> anybody. Matter Closed . Period.

>

> I am sorry about hearing of your experience at time

> of your mothers ill health. This is one of the reasons

> why I entered astrology. But you may not be interested

> in the same. Not all astrologers are bad. Maybe due

> to some reasons or fate you may not have found one,

> to respond to your call at time of your mother.

> I have felt this helplessness many times in my Life,

> and have come to a state now, where I treat submission

> to Gods will primarily, and astrological dependence,

> secondarily.

>

> Just day before, on Thursday my wife was arriving

> to Bombay from Calcutta mail, and she boarded

> the train on Thursday evening, within one hour she

> started cold tremors, her fever shot up,

> body went spasmodic, and yesterday early morning,

> was boarded off at Raipur, put on wheel chair and

> brought to Bombay by flight. I did not open her Kundli

> to check her Dasha or antardasha. I do that only once

> in 6 months for my family members, and rest of the

> time leave all to God and his mercy.

>

> I am not very close to any Devi or Devta, but I know

> Lord Shri Krishna is well aware of my day to day actions

> and keeps me showing His presence in many a way.

> So does Shri Hanuman Baba.

> Not because I am very good man, but maybe because

> I am childlike in front of Him and talk to him

> regularly without any pretensions.

>

> I am not one of those, who foresees his Kundalini

> Jagrun even within next 10-12 years. I am not ready

> for that state, don't think how it can be done in

> my case, because absolutely unfit for same, and in

> any case this is a personal matter, and no real Yogi

> with a Jagrut Kundalini reveals this. It is to be

> understood by communion with that man , when

> one realises, that this person is realised. And once

> a Kundalini rises, the person no more remains a

> sadhak, but surpasses that level.

> You need not have concern about me. I am not

> even a Sadhak and not yet begun on that path,

> so forget attending any assembly of such people,

> in this Life time.

> Kundalini Jagrun is not such a easy

> thing as is made out to be, It just does not concern

> only physical exercises to be a done in a Group,

> but consists mostly of a Life, led with Yama, Niyama,

> right ethical behaviours, proper Kriya Yoga, Regular

> meditation and constant proper action or inaction

> (Silence- Parihaara) done with good motive, persistently

> without breaks, with no letting loose to any sort

> of aberrations.

> I will never qualify for above, as of today.

>

> Thanks for a positive response. And hope you never

> misunderstand me.I shall not be able to reply any more

> mails of now, due to ill health in family, and also have to

> arrange finances for my daughters impending

> marriage a few months away.You know how difficult it

> is In India to marry ones daughter, and is a elaborate

> affair which needs all types of attention.

>

> Thank you for your patience for reading this long mail.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

, " Prabodh Vekhande "

> amolmandar@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Namaste

> >

> > > Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> > > I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> > > because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for which

> > > I have several times thanked him, and do

> > > so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

> >

> > You are again wrong! I am not at all inimical towards you or for

that

> > matter anybody on the group! Why should I be? I was, you can say,

> > upset the way you take others for granted(at least I got the

> > imression like that) and have 'my party' or 'his party' kind of

> > attitude. It gives the impression that one must accept what Shree

> > Bhaskar says or get ready to be attacked. Moreover, it is surprising

> > to read that you dont want to reveal your identity as it is treated

> > by many an act of arrogance and cowardice. How can there be serious

> > discussions unless we know whom we are getting friendly with! On the

> > one hand you talk of people's cowardice as they were not responding

> > and on the other hand you under some foolish reason try to hide your

> > identity! This is what I feel you are wrong at. When others do it

> > (cowardice,trying to maintain image) you attack like anything but

> > when it comes to your own turn you give all filmsy reasons to

justify

> > it. I am not preaching but feel that you can be little bit more

> > subdued and remember that others will as well have their reasons to

> > justify.

> >

> > Sharing knowledge

> >

> > I do not claim to know much about Jyotish or Sanskrit, but what ever

> > I know I keep on sharing with others. Three years back when my

mother

> > was detected with breast cancer I wrote several mails of help to all

> > the people who were/are scholar of Jyotish and related subjects. No

> > body even bothered to suggest remedies. At that time I just started

> > to learn jyotish and I was very optimistic about scholars helping me

> > as I was very open and genuine in asking remedies to save my mother.

> > Looking at this indifferent attitude of scholars I decided to do it

> > myself. I started reading Granthas of ancient vidyas. Result was

that

> > I could prolong her stay by 11 months! That day I realised who is a

> > scholar and how these people twist meanings of shlokas to suit their

> > own theory. Now days Everybody is so near to Devi/Devata that you

> > feel that all scholars are just one chakra short of Sashasrar! All

> > scholars are highly spiritual and in coming few years we are likely

> > to have assmebly of Kundalini Jagrut Sadhak! I hope you wont be one

> > of them!

> >

> > Anyway, thanks for the company.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalitji,

> > >

> > > But I am very much disullsioned by many so called Spiritual

Masters

> > > and Preachers of today. Most of them are enveloped in Maya and

> > > they preach but dont practise.They wish to mantain their

goody-goody

> > > image and do not wish to be tainted or blemished.

> > > These Masters should have come out with their knowledge

> > > of interpreting shlokas and put to shame, to those

> > > who misinterpret them. People like

> > > me have to sort this out my my half baked knowledge of Sanskrit,

> > > though being from Traditional Hindu family's we understand the

> > normal

> > > Sanskrit words and do not have to learn them for day to day use,

> > but

> > > grammatical knowledge is missing within us, and then we look upon

> > > these Masters for some retreat. But it does not

> > > come, for they do not wish to spoil their images.

> > >

> > > But they dont understand that if You wish to wear the Crown of

> > > the King then you will have to make enemies in Life, in this

> > process.

> > > So what ? How many good friends does one have anyway otherwise too

?

> > > Ask Rs.10000- temporary Loan from so called friends, then

> > > one will come to know, how many real friends one has.

> > > If you wish to acquire Pearls from underneath the shallow waters,

> > then

> > > you have to get your skin and clothes wet. These people can never

> > acquire

> > > the best venerated places in society with this attitude of

> > appearing goody

> > > goody and mantaining a clean image.

> > >

> > > I do not believe in vegetable preaching which is not practised.

> > >

> > > Chandrasekharji, Pradeepji and also Narsimharaoji have all let

> > > us Hindus down with their silence and not coming

> > > out forward with their knowledge when most needed, not just today,

> > > but previously also I have seen their silence on many occasions

> > > when they should have come forward. But

> > > they just preach without practise.

> > > Mr. Prabodh who is very much inimical towards me, I dont mind,

> > > I would rather have him on my side then these other preachers,

> > > because he has used his knowledge in the right direction for which

> > > I have several times thanked him, and do

> > > so once again. for actually showing us the reality.

> > >

> > > It is better to have criticisers near you who will make you a

> > > Kohinoor, eventually by removing all the dirt from ones self,

> > > rather than people who just talk and talk about God and

> > > Shastras and how one should live, without actually showing

> > > this by action. You have brought the goneby episode to the

> > > notice of people at the risk of facing wrath from

> > > the psuedo secularists, which you did face, but

> > > at least you have had the guts to get stained in the

> > > process. This ounce of spiritual action is 1000 times

> > > better than actionless quintals of spiritual talks.

> > >

> > > Hope my point is made. I am not impressed with these

> > > spiritual talks on board made by few. they will

> > > always remain mediocre in my eyes whatever lofty

> > > discussions they come up with. At times I just play upto

> > > them with sweet words, to keep them away from me,

> > > and not because they demand respect.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > While reading ur mails i can feel the inner sweetness u have,

but

> > i

> > > > have a weakness, I m very much uncomfortable with " Ji "

> > and " Respect " .

> > > >

> > > > Pls. call me " Lalit " only, hearing " Lalit " by someone who is

> > elder to

> > > > me, sounds lovely to me.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, You are true, mother wanted you to write and respond to

this

> > > > thread, Very Soon, You will be participating more in groups to

> > > > inspire people towards sadhana.

> > > >

> > > > Thanx to You and to her also.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for recounting your experience!

> > > > >

> > > > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at

> > our

> > > > > hand,

> > > > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes

from

> > his

> > > > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long

> > it

> > > > will

> > > > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well-said. Sadhana is in one's hand and the fruits of sadhana

> > are

> > > > in

> > > > > Her hand. All we can do to ensure quick results is to

intensify

> > our

> > > > > sadhana and develop the sense of surrender.

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually, one could even argue that not just the fruits of

> > sadhana

> > > > > but the sadhana itself is not in our hands and we do sadhana

> > only

> > > > > when She wants us to. That may be true at a level too, but

> > there is

> > > > > nothing to discuss or do if one adopts that viewpoint! If we

> > > > believe

> > > > > that there is something called " free will " at a level, then we

> > can

> > > > > talk about exercising it to become closer to god (i.e. purify

> > > > > ourselves).

> > > > >

> > > > > Hopefully, I am writing all this as She willed me to and

> > hopefully

> > > > > She wills a few people reading this thread to intensify their

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > and make quick progress.

> > > > >

> > > > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

> > exactly

> > > > what

> > > > > i

> > > > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even one good in English cannot express these matters clearly

> > in

> > > > > vaikhari! The matters we are discussing have so many angles to

> > them

> > > > > and so vast in scope that it is is very difficult to express

> > > > exactly.

> > > > > Two people with identical views may end up looking as though

> > they

> > > > are

> > > > > opposing each other.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do understand you and my respectful salutations to you and

> > other

> > > > > members!

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narsimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding cleaning of the heart, I wish to share one of my

> > > > > > experiences, that i had during my recent visit to Kedarnath.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After some years,I started knowing that i have a certain

> > level of

> > > > > > impurity within me and it was blocking my Vishudha Chakra

> > area.

> > > > It

> > > > > > has been painful but it was not at my hand, I had to

tolerate

> > it,

> > > > > > like cancer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whenever I was trying to go deeper it I was blocked,

> > remaining

> > > > > > thirsty.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Somehow, moter blessed me and skipping the vishuddha chakra,

> > I

> > > > was

> > > > > > able to bring my senses to agya chakra to chant " Hreeng " ,

> > still,

> > > > i

> > > > > > was not knowing what is function and connection of " Hreeng "

> > with

> > > > > > mother divine. You know mantra and thoughts were different,

> > all

> > > > was

> > > > > > assumption to feel good, it took some 12 - 13 yrs in this

> > stage,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > navartri only i could understand what the " Hreeng " is.

Mother

> > > > shown

> > > > > > it's connection to her and also the function. It contains 3

> > types

> > > > > of

> > > > > > shaktis, I mean, three shaktis are integrated in it -

> > Mahakali,

> > > > > > Mahalakschhami and Mahasaraswati. this is what i was shown

by

> > > > > mother

> > > > > > divine so, i need not chant various mantras thinking this

one

> > is

> > > > > for

> > > > > > maa sharada and this one is for maa lakschhami.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but vishuddha chakra's problem was still persisiting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To reach the Kedarnath, u need to walk 14 KM from Gauri

Kund,

> > > > First

> > > > > 7

> > > > > > KM's i covered almost in 2 hrss. I had a small attack like

> > ulcer

> > > > > some

> > > > > > 3 yrs back, when i reached 9'th KM's stop, I started feeling

> > > > > burning

> > > > > > sensation in my stomach, It was in the muscles. The pain was

> > just

> > > > > > beginning... my 2 friends were behind me by 50 mtrs. I

> > thought if

> > > > > > problem increases, they will suffer unnecessary, so, I kept

> > going.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As the pain was increasing, my outer senses started

> > contracting

> > > > and

> > > > > i

> > > > > > was like going within my mind, chanting " Om Namah Shivaya " .

I

> > > > > stopped

> > > > > > also twice for a while.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The pain and chanting was in sync. and all of sudden,

> > > > effortlessly,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > was able to sit within the Vishudha Chakra and chant " Om

> > Namah

> > > > > > Shivaya " . I can do same while posting this mail to you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, what i understood is, in sadhana, everything is not at

> > our

> > > > > hand,

> > > > > > sometimes, God loves and blesses you, so, cleaning comes

from

> > his

> > > > > > side. It happens in just a fraction of second, but how long

> > it

> > > > will

> > > > > > take to happen, only God knows.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The best part is when i reached KedarNathm the pain was

over,

> > I

> > > > > never

> > > > > > took any medicine as of now, I m healthy like earlier.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As i m not so good in english, I m not able to express

> > exactly

> > > > what

> > > > > i

> > > > > > felt or came across. hope u w'd understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > surrender does count, but before one should have dare to

> > reject

> > > > the

> > > > > > God also, these were two stages in my life. I never

> > compromised

> > > > nor

> > > > > > feared the God, I loved and got his love.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sri Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but

> > next

> > > > > > > moment

> > > > > > > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will

balance

> > > > their

> > > > > > > deeds.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for

> > > > > > > particular

> > > > > > > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only

if

> > > > one's

> > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > is clean.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further

> > effort

> > > > is

> > > > > > > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for

> > > > sadhana,

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > many can do any sadhana.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are

> > designed so

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart

> > > > > eventually.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that

> > one

> > > > > > > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following

> > > > certain

> > > > > > > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and

> > head

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the

same

> > > > place

> > > > > > > facing the same direction and around the same time

> > everyday)

> > > > will

> > > > > > > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In

the

> > > > > > > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as

> > one

> > > > > > > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to

> > flow

> > > > > faster.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do,

along

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious

result

> > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and

> > think

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > only a sadhana will be usefull.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma

> > yoga.

> > > > > > > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to

perform

> > > > > > sadhana.

> > > > > > > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti

> > yoga

> > > > > > > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all

> > valid

> > > > > paths

> > > > > > > to purify oneself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if

necessary

> > and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's

the

> > > > > intent

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > more important.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very

> > low

> > > > > level

> > > > > > > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough.

> > Otherwise, it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice

is

> > a

> > > > > > > generic one for everyone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sri Kursija,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Narasimha Rao,

> > > > > > > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are

> > > > > > > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted

> > > > > > > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or

> > > > > > > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of

> > > > > > > > India doing the same in the matter of

> > > > > > > > advertisement.The website is also a source of

> > > > > > > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility

> > > > > > > > on them. I will again go through the mail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about

> > their

> > > > > work

> > > > > > > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have

> > no

> > > > > > > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not

> > > > > stereotype

> > > > > > > the priest community. There are also priests who are

filled

> > > > with

> > > > > > > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and

> > humility

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a

> > good

> > > > idea.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who

> > is in

> > > > > > > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I

can

> > > > > > > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people,

> > one

> > > > can

> > > > > > > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda

> > once

> > > > > > > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe

> > is " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > >

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