Controversial shlok from Balmiki ramayan

October 31, 2007

Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

Here is the controversial shlok described in the context of the

Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the Balmiki Ramayan

site where I got it from.

Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-14-34

34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha chetasaa= with

composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma, desiring ï¿½ for

achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for results;

[where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly flew away like a

bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the Divine Eagle ï¿½

garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim avasat = one,

night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly resided

one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. [1-14-34]

Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

Regards,

RP Singh

, Shashie Shekhar

<polite_astro wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> Ram Ram

> Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some students who

come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to search the said

shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to find the

same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna too?

>

> God bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Inki charbi bahut badh gayi hai, kuch bhi likh

> dete hain Shri Ramji ke baare mein aur Kaushalya

> Maa ke baare mein. Inko pata nahin kisse se pala

> pada hai. Saalon ki charbi kya haddiyan tak nikal

> doonga sharir se, agar apne par aa gaya toh.

>

> The secularism of today prevelanet in our society

> is the cause of their unwarranted perverted

> utterances. It is high time these people should

> be shown their place, which is hell and no other.

>

> Ham apni 3/4th jindagi toh jee chuke. agar baaki

> jindagi in darindon ko khatm karne mein chali

> jaaye toh bhi gam nahin.

>

> Yeh neem hakeem acchi society ke laayak nahin hain.

> Inko eradicate karne par hi kalyan hoga jagat ka.

> Maaf karna aapke aane se josh aa gaya hain mujh

> mein.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Shashie Shekharji,

> >

> > Ram Ram Bhai.

> >

> > Bhai kahan the itne din ? Aap to Vrindavan jaa

> > kar baith gaye mujhe in dushton ke beech mein chhood

> > kar. Magar maine aapki dee hui taakat se ladai ladi

> > hai thodi bahut.Ab aap aa gaye ab chinta nahin.

> > In teen char dinon ki ladai mein mere kaam ke

> > absence se teen chaar hajaar ka nuksaan bhi

> > ho gaya, magar woh gaya Shri Ramji ke khate mein.

> > Woh jaane unka kaam jaane, ,magar mujhe khaan toh

> > deh hi rahe hain do time ka.In dushtom ko main

> > chhodunga nahin agar yeh jyaada fadfadaye toh main

> > inko khatm kar doonga. Yeh mera waada hai aapse.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Shashie Shekhar

> >

> wrote:

> > >

> > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > Dear Mr.Pradeep,

> > > What Upnishad says about Stars and Horse,leave it but the matter

> > is,in which chapter of Valmiki Ramayan such Shloka is written? In

fact

> > Mr.Bhaskar wanted to know the same.

> > >

> > > Shashie Shekhar

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > >

> > > I have never claimed myself to be a scholar- neither in Jyotish

nor

> > > in Sanskrita Bhasha.It is you who is giving all these

> > > appellations.Thus your consideration as a scholar or 3rd class

> > > astrologer is the same for me.As usual the rest of your mail is

an

> > > expression of love from you and hence is welcome too.(Regarding

the

> > > past Jyotish discussions i was expressing my views with Lords

grace

> > > on a few stanzas..nothing more)

> > >

> > > Regarding Kausalya/Horse etc -It is upto each individual to

> > > interpret the shlokas and the hidden symbols.Similar to

evolution of

> > > tattwas there is an evolution for jeevatmas as well.At each

leverl

> > > we may see/perceive a different horse.There is no need to shout

and

> > > create unnecessary noise.As Amritananda mayi Amma say when one

is a

> > > child one thinks a toy horse is a horse.In that age a roopa or

idol

> > > of horse is needed.When one grows up he will understand the

real

> > > horse.Similarly the intertwining of time and space and the

formless

> > > nature is a puzzle for us and let the Lord grant wisdom for all

of

> > > us.

> > >

> > > There is no point in creating and spreading hatred in the name

of

> > > religion.In Brihadarnayakopanishad it is mentioned that stars

are

> > > the bones of the Horse.We know that we are coming from stars-

Janma

> > > Nakshathra.So if you think w.r to bones you will understand

what i

> > > am talking about.Hinduism is eternal because of its tolerance.

> > >

> > > Hinduism was able to withstand on its own without my support.It

will

> > > continue to do so.

> > >

> > > Kindly refrain from degrading Chandrashekhar ji - 3rd class

etc.You

> > > may address me as you wish.

> > >

> > > Kind Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Calling Chandrasekhar and Pradeep---------

> > > >

> > > > These great sanskrit scholars as they professed themselves to

be,

> > > > I call upon them, to please translate the Sanskrit shloka of

> > > Valmiki

> > > > Ramayana,

> > > > which Sreendah has translated as " Kaushalya has sexual

intercourse

> > > with

> > > > the horse and slept with it for one night, and so did the

other

> > > wives of

> > > > Dashrath " :

> > > >

> > > > Is that shloka from Valmiki Ramayana, I ask them ?

> > > > If so, then is it meant in the shloka that kaushalya had

> > > > sex with the horse ? If so then which Sanskrit

> > > > equivalent words are there in the shloka to indicate this ?

> > > >

> > > > If Chandrashekhar and Pradeep do not reply this,

> > > > then I ask all the members

> > > > to remove the scholarly image of

> > > > them from their hearts

> > > > and consider them as Impostors and third class

> > > > astrologers, and nothing else.

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep is a friend of Sreenadh, so must have sold himself

> > > > to him, but I hope Chandrasekhar is not sold yet, and will

tell

> > > > us the truth.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > >

October 31, 2007

Dear Sri Singh and others,

Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a good scholar

in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is insufficient

to understand the true meanings of the writings of *rishis*. Each

word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To understand the

true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength has to match

the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other scriptures (or

even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a lot of people

advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are corrupted due

to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that this

corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this age. It is

also Her wish that some people should come now and then, correct a

few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play' of this

drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is the

director, we get caught in the show and take things very personally

sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the drama, but

with an understanding that this is a drama.

Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If you disagree

or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some commentators may

have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with fire as we

are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the ritual fire

is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

tadA = then

kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

avasat = spent

ekAM = one

rajanIM = night

sArdhaM = along with

patatriNA = the ritual fire

susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen Kausalya

spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning with a stable

splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely, meditated

by the fire for the entire night. The priests were probably

maintaining the fire during the night also.

If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a bird, " susthitena ca

cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse as " with a

firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been misinterpreted

below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite something. If you

perform a proper homam during the day and meditate sitting by the

fire that continues to burn in the early part of the night, it is a

fantastic experience.

Best regards,

Narasimha

-------------------------------

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-------------------------------

, " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710

wrote:

>

> Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

>

> Here is the controversial shlok described in the context of the

> Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the Balmiki

Ramayan

> site where I got it from.

>

> Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

>

> patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-14-34

>

> 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha chetasaa= with

> composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma, desiring ï¿½ for

> achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for results;

> [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly flew away

like a

> bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the Divine Eagle

ï¿½

> garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim avasat = one,

> night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

>

> Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly

resided

> one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. [1-14-34]

>

> Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

>

> http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

>

> Regards,

>

> RP Singh

>

> , Shashie Shekhar

> <polite_astro@> wrote:

> >

> > ll HARE RAM ll

> > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > Ram Ram

> > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some students

who

> come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to search the said

> shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to find the

> same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna too?

> >

> > God bless

> > Shashie Shekhar

October 31, 2007

Namaste Sri Narasimha

I thank you for your comments, but, often wonder why some people have the

tendency to draw the wrong meaning of a Shloka without having even a simple

know-how of Sanskrit. They then write papers to defile revered figures from

Hindu Dharma. It is not a question of a misinterpretation but, of

deliberately taking the wrong meaning without giving adequate thought on the

possibility of a different meaning.

I shall also narrate another such thing that Sreenadh spoke of in my office

when he had come to meet me. He stated that Sri Adi Sankara used to kill his

opponents. I rubbished this idea in front of him and told him directly

whether he knows anything about Sri Adi Sankara or not. I have serious

doubts on his character now. Two deliberate attempts against revered figures

in Hinduism do not seem as coincidence. Moreover, you should try and see

his conversation with Sri Chandrashekhar and the kind of language he used.

Not to Sri Narasimha but to those who say Hinduism teaches tolerance

And for those who say that Hinduism teaches tolerance, should understand

what is being said: there are things one cannot change, accept them... there

are things that one can change.... try to change them if required is what is

taught. This does not construe as tolerance. It construes as wisdom and

maturity. Hinduism does not teach tolerance against Adharma and nonsensical

remarks made by a dubious character.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 10/31/07, Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Singh and others,

>

> Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

>

> If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a good scholar

> in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is insufficient

> to understand the true meanings of the writings of *rishis*. Each

> word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To understand the

> true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength has to match

> the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

>

> When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other scriptures (or

> even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a lot of people

> advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are corrupted due

> to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that this

> corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this age. It is

> also Her wish that some people should come now and then, correct a

> few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play' of this

> drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is the

> director, we get caught in the show and take things very personally

> sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the drama, but

> with an understanding that this is a drama.

>

> Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If you disagree

> or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

>

> The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some commentators may

> have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with fire as we

> are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the ritual fire

> is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

>

> tadA = then

> kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> avasat = spent

> ekAM = one

> rajanIM = night

> sArdhaM = along with

> patatriNA = the ritual fire

> susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

>

> This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen Kausalya

> spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning with a stable

> splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely, meditated

> by the fire for the entire night. The priests were probably

> maintaining the fire during the night also.

>

> If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a bird, " susthitena ca

> cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse as " with a

> firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been misinterpreted

> below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

>

> BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite something. If you

> perform a proper homam during the day and meditate sitting by the

> fire that continues to burn in the early part of the night, it is a

> fantastic experience.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------

>

> <%40>,

> " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> >

> > Here is the controversial shlok described in the context of the

> > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the Balmiki

> Ramayan

> > site where I got it from.

> >

> > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> >

> > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-14-34

> >

> > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha chetasaa= with

> > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma, desiring ï¿½ for

> > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for results;

> > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly flew away

> like a

> > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the Divine Eagle

> ï¿½

> > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim avasat = one,

> > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> >

> > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly

> resided

> > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. [1-14-34]

> >

> > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> >

> > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > RP Singh

> >

> > <%40>,

> Shashie Shekhar

> > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > Ram Ram

> > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some students

> who

> > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to search the said

> > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to find the

> > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna too?

> > >

> > > God bless

> > > Shashie Shekhar

>

October 31, 2007

Dear Narsimha,

Thank you very much for the giving light to all of us. that stupid

srinadh will read it to correct himself, next remains is prayashita,

that is on the cards for him.

Had u come before us earlier,this issue that his ego was creating

w'd have been subdued in time.

somehow, somebody had filled poison in his mind, earlier he said, to

humilate dravidians in the ramayana it's said that Bali had a tail,

when i challanged to him to put evidences, he banned me in his group.

I have seen Hanuman Ji with tail and in Ramkrishna Leelamrit it's

given that when Pramahansha was doing hanuman bhakti sadhana, he

developed tail. It's his mind who gets aligned to Bali not to

Hanuman.

Once again, Thaks a lot to you for right interpretition of the

shloka, pls. keep doing such duties. People expects a lot from you.

regards,

Lalit.

, " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Singh and others,

>

> Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

>

> If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a good

scholar

> in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is

insufficient

> to understand the true meanings of the writings of *rishis*. Each

> word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To understand

the

> true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength has to

match

> the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

>

> When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other scriptures

(or

> even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a lot of

people

> advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are corrupted

due

> to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that this

> corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this age. It

is

> also Her wish that some people should come now and then, correct a

> few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play' of this

> drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is the

> director, we get caught in the show and take things very

personally

> sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the drama, but

> with an understanding that this is a drama.

>

> Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If you

disagree

> or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

>

> The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some commentators may

> have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with fire as we

> are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the ritual

fire

> is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

>

> tadA = then

> kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> avasat = spent

> ekAM = one

> rajanIM = night

> sArdhaM = along with

> patatriNA = the ritual fire

> susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

>

> This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen Kausalya

> spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning with a

stable

> splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely, meditated

> by the fire for the entire night. The priests were probably

> maintaining the fire during the night also.

>

> If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a bird, " susthitena ca

> cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse as " with a

> firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been misinterpreted

> below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

>

> BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite something. If

you

> perform a proper homam during the day and meditate sitting by the

> fire that continues to burn in the early part of the night, it is

a

> fantastic experience.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

> , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> >

> > Here is the controversial shlok described in the context of the

> > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the Balmiki

> Ramayan

> > site where I got it from.

> >

> > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> >

> > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-14-34

> >

> > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha chetasaa= with

> > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma, desiring ï¿½

for

> > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for results;

> > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly flew away

> like a

> > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the Divine

Eagle

> ï¿½

> > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim avasat =

one,

> > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> >

> > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly

> resided

> > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. [1-14-34]

> >

> > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> >

> > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > RP Singh

> >

> > , Shashie Shekhar

> > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > Ram Ram

> > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some

students

> who

> > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to search the said

> > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to find the

> > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna too?

> > >

> > > God bless

> > > Shashie Shekhar

>

October 31, 2007

Dear Sri Narasimha,

I appreciate you providing your valuable input and divine insight

into this matter.

May GOD bless you,

Regards,

Satya S Kolachina

, " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Singh and others,

>

> Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

>

> If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a good

scholar

> in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is

insufficient

> to understand the true meanings of the writings of *rishis*. Each

> word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To understand

the

> true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength has to

match

> the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

>

> When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other scriptures

(or

> even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a lot of

people

> advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are corrupted

due

> to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that this

> corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this age. It

is

> also Her wish that some people should come now and then, correct a

> few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play' of this

> drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is the

> director, we get caught in the show and take things very

personally

> sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the drama, but

> with an understanding that this is a drama.

>

> Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If you

disagree

> or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

>

> The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some commentators may

> have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with fire as we

> are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the ritual

fire

> is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

>

> tadA = then

> kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> avasat = spent

> ekAM = one

> rajanIM = night

> sArdhaM = along with

> patatriNA = the ritual fire

> susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

>

> This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen Kausalya

> spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning with a

stable

> splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely, meditated

> by the fire for the entire night. The priests were probably

> maintaining the fire during the night also.

>

> If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a bird, " susthitena ca

> cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse as " with a

> firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been misinterpreted

> below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

>

> BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite something. If

you

> perform a proper homam during the day and meditate sitting by the

> fire that continues to burn in the early part of the night, it is

a

> fantastic experience.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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>

> , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> >

> > Here is the controversial shlok described in the context of the

> > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the Balmiki

> Ramayan

> > site where I got it from.

> >

> > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> >

> > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-14-34

> >

> > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha chetasaa= with

> > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma, desiring ï¿½

for

> > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for results;

> > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly flew away

> like a

> > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the Divine

Eagle

> ï¿½

> > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim avasat =

one,

> > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> >

> > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly

> resided

> > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. [1-14-34]

> >

> > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> >

> > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > RP Singh

> >

> > , Shashie Shekhar

> > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > Ram Ram

> > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some

students

> who

> > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to search the said

> > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to find the

> > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna too?

> > >

> > > God bless

> > > Shashie Shekhar

>

November 1, 2007

Dear Shri Narasimha

Thank you for the interpretations.

I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat these as doubts

and it can very well be wrong.

If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual fire,then what does the

''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in shloka 36.What is

cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from where.

I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to Lord.

1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year is the body of

the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the Horse?I am not

giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your meditative thoughts.

2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the one which can

fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of any eternal

Parava within you which can fly?

If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being killed.Is it

that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can transcend

something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body of the horse -

then what is Horse.

If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left within which can

shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and smelling of what,

Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night with .Which Patatri/Parava.

Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is mentioned

seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are present.

Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending and reaching

noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels are visible

here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by any means.My

knowledge is negligible and these are my humble thoughts.

Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my doubts to shri

Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable splendour was very

helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

Regds

Pradeep