Controversial shlok from Balmiki ramayan - Bhaskar

November 1, 2007

ll HARE RAM ll

Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

Jai Ram ji ki

You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read several times in

daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they are in slept position even

they must be exist in our body in physical means,therefore at the time of any

surgery or post-mortem such Kundalini should be found in injured or safe

position or it is also the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there

are following seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and Ahankar

that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Dear Shri Pradeepji,

It is not possible in this world to get a

congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

own house can we expect or demand a congenial

atmosphere when there are many family

members with various intelligence levels, styles

of working, expressions, natures, how can we

control all family members. Forget family

members, can one even control his wife in his own

room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

swabhava and how many are there like

Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

That is our culture. In same way vipareet

swabhava is the essence of this world, and

without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

can only break this and move ahead after

attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

and not before. I am sorry do not take my

words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

small in all respects in front of You .

I am just sharing my thoughts with you

and not advising.

In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

language turns too abusive .

We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have filtered

the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this world

with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

Siddhas can create that.

So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

and embrace the desired. We have to

continue living in this world with its shades

of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

if someone does not understand the language

of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

doing our homework which is why we were

inviting you people for proper interpretations.

Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

the only one who told you, that You may be proved

right in few years to come, therefore

please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

and publish it when the time is ripe and

you are ready.

You have always misunderstood me, and

I hope you will realise in time to come ,

that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

prosperity and affections between the members

and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

individual knowledge, and not to create or

enter into controversies, and neither to change

the world, but change oneself , in all

spheres.

" Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

jeevan hai. "

So please stay like a Lotus and forget

all dirty around you. The Lotus will

not get its importance unless it rises in

the dirt, which is its speciality.

Kind regards,

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Bhaskar

>

> Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri Narasimha Rao.

> I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

>

> I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

>

> I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did not provide

> or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages, violent

> Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected standards.If possible

> let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive criticism is a

> different issue.

>

> I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is no

> difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people contribute and

> join the list.

>

> Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that there is no

> mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do homework before we

> abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can be

> wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he wants --but

> justice to conscience is a must.

>

> Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For those who want to

> treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For me joining

> Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my understanding

> alone and i go by rules laid.

>

> Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and let live.

>

> Pls rethink.God Bless us.

>

> Pradeep

>

-- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> >

> > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> >

> > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> >

> > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > caused you previously in last

> > few days, which was not from the heart

> > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > indispensable and always required for certain

> > issues,where we may be found weak.

> >

> > Kind regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > >

> > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat these as

doubts

> > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > >

> > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual fire,then what

does the

> > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in shloka 36.What is

> > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from where.

> > >

> > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to Lord.

> > >

> > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year is the body of

> > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the Horse?I am not

> > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your meditative

thoughts.

> > >

> > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the one which can

> > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of any eternal

> > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > >

> > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being killed.Is it

> > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can transcend

> > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > >

> > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body of the horse -

> > > then what is Horse.

> > >

> > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left within which can

> > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and smelling of what,

> > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > >

> > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night with .Which

> > Patatri/Parava.

> > >

> > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is mentioned

> > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are present.

> > >

> > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending and reaching

> > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels are visible

> > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by any means.My

> > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble thoughts.

> > >

> > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my doubts to shri

> > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable splendour was very

> > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > > , " Narasimha Rao "

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > >

> > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a good

scholar

> > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is

> insufficient

> > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of *rishis*. Each

> > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To understand

> the

> > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength has to

match

> > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

> > > >

> > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other scriptures

> (or

> > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a lot of

people

> > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are corrupted

> due

> > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that this

> > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this age.

It is

> > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and then,

correct a

> > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play' of this

> > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is the

> > > > director, we get caught in the show and take things very

personally

> > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the drama, but

> > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If you

> disagree

> > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > >

> > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some commentators

may

> > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with fire as we

> > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the ritual

> fire

> > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

> > > >

> > > > tadA = then

> > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > avasat = spent

> > > > ekAM = one

> > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > >

> > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen Kausalya

> > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning with a

> stable

> > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely,

meditated

> > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were probably

> > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > >

> > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a bird, " susthitena ca

> > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse as " with a

> > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been misinterpreted

> > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

> > > >

> > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite something.

If you

> > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate sitting by the

> > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of the night, it

is a

> > > > fantastic experience.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------------

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> > > > Spirituality:

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> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > -------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the context of the

> > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the Balmiki

> > > > Ramayan

> > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > >

> > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-14-34

> > > > >

> > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha chetasaa= with

> > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma, desiring ï¿½

> for

> > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for

results;

> > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly flew away

> > > > like a

> > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the Divine

> Eagle

> > > > ï¿½

> > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim avasat =

> one,

> > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> > > > >

> > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly

> > > > resided

> > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. [1-14-34]

> > > > >

> > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > RP Singh

> > > > >

> > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > >

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some

students

> > > > who

> > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to search the

said

> > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to find the

> > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna too?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 1, 2007

Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini (energy) is

there in body otherwise how u r alive.

surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in electrict

wires.

now what is kundalini awakening ?

as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our physical

world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as ur

kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as a result,

ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to receive

and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start realizing

divine existance in daily worldly life.

your level of free will increases.

you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i asked

you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's bhakti, I

wanted to know about ur bhakti.

Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or other

scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is a must

here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a powerful

mantra, he may misuse it.

he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra for a bad

purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6 chakras,

unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not ego nor

knowledge.

That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or curse, he

doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can get a lesson

from Amma also.

regards,

Lalit.

, Shashie Shekhar

<polite_astro wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

>

> Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> Jai Ram ji ki

> You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read several

times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they are in

slept position even they must be exist in our body in physical

means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem such

Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it is also

the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are following

seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and Ahankar

that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

>

> God bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Shri Pradeepji,

>

> It is not possible in this world to get a

> congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> atmosphere when there are many family

> members with various intelligence levels, styles

> of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> control all family members. Forget family

> members, can one even control his wife in his own

> room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> swabhava and how many are there like

> Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> can only break this and move ahead after

> attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> small in all respects in front of You .

> I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> and not advising.

>

> In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> language turns too abusive .

>

> We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have filtered

> the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

>

> Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this world

> with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> Siddhas can create that.

>

> So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> and embrace the desired. We have to

> continue living in this world with its shades

> of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

>

> In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> if someone does not understand the language

> of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> doing our homework which is why we were

> inviting you people for proper interpretations.

>

> Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> right in few years to come, therefore

> please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> and publish it when the time is ripe and

> you are ready.

>

> You have always misunderstood me, and

> I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> prosperity and affections between the members

> and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> individual knowledge, and not to create or

> enter into controversies, and neither to change

> the world, but change oneself , in all

> spheres.

>

> " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> jeevan hai. "

>

> So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> not get its importance unless it rises in

> the dirt, which is its speciality.

>

> Kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> >

> > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri Narasimha

Rao.

> > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> >

> > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> >

> > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did not

provide

> > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages, violent

> > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected standards.If

possible

> > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive criticism is a

> > different issue.

> >

> > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is no

> > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

contribute and

> > join the list.

> >

> > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that there is

no

> > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do homework

before we

> > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can be

> > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he wants --but

> > justice to conscience is a must.

> >

> > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For those who

want to

> > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For me

joining

> > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

understanding

> > alone and i go by rules laid.

> >

> > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and let live.

> >

> > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > >

> > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > >

> > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > >

> > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > caused you previously in last

> > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat these as

> doubts

> > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > >

> > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual fire,then what

> does the

> > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in shloka

36.What is

> > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from where.

> > > >

> > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to Lord.

> > > >

> > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year is the

body of

> > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the Horse?I am

not

> > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your meditative

> thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the one

which can

> > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of any

eternal

> > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > >

> > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being

killed.Is it

> > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can transcend

> > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > >

> > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body of the

horse -

> > > > then what is Horse.

> > > >

> > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left within

which can

> > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and smelling

of what,

> > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > >

> > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night with .Which

> > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > >

> > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is

mentioned

> > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are present.

> > > >

> > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending and

reaching

> > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels are

visible

> > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by any

means.My

> > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my doubts

to shri

> > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable splendour was

very

> > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > >

> > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a good

> scholar

> > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is

> > insufficient

> > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

*rishis*. Each

> > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To

understand

> > the

> > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength has

to

> match

> > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

> > > > >

> > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other

scriptures

> > (or

> > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a lot of

> people

> > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are

corrupted

> > due

> > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that

this

> > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this

age.

> It is

> > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and then,

> correct a

> > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play' of

this

> > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is the

> > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take things very

> personally

> > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the

drama, but

> > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If you

> > disagree

> > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > >

> > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

commentators

> may

> > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with fire

as we

> > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the

ritual

> > fire

> > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

> > > > >

> > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > >

> > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen

Kausalya

> > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning with

a

> > stable

> > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely,

> meditated

> > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were probably

> > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a bird, " susthitena

ca

> > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse

as " with a

> > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

misinterpreted

> > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite something.

> If you

> > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate sitting

by the

> > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of the night,

it

> is a

> > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > ---------------------------

----

> > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > ---------------------------

----

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the context

of the

> > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the

Balmiki

> > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-14-

34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha chetasaa=

with

> > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma,

desiring ï¿½

> > for

> > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for

> results;

> > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly flew

away

> > > > > like a

> > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the

Divine

> > Eagle

> > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim

avasat =

> > one,

> > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

disconcertedly

> > > > > resided

> > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. [1-

14-34]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some

> students

> > > > > who

> > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to search

the

> said

> > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to

find the

> > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna too?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

November 2, 2007

ll HARE RAM ll

What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a person has passed away

after 75 years of age to pass his life in peaceful manner and going on the path

of honesty and truthfulness but he never listens about the so called Kundalini

or their jagran.Will he not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is

concerned.These are depend on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later

on Satsang and God help those who help others and to think for others welfare it

is the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity as i understand.

Thanks for placing your views.

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

litsol <litsol wrote:

Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini (energy) is

there in body otherwise how u r alive.

surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in electrict

wires.

now what is kundalini awakening ?

as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our physical

world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as ur

kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as a result,

ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to receive

and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start realizing

divine existance in daily worldly life.

your level of free will increases.

you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i asked

you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's bhakti, I

wanted to know about ur bhakti.

Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or other

scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is a must

here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a powerful

mantra, he may misuse it.

he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra for a bad

purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6 chakras,

unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not ego nor

knowledge.

That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or curse, he

doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can get a lesson

from Amma also.

regards,

Lalit.

, Shashie Shekhar

wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

>

> Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> Jai Ram ji ki

> You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read several

times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they are in

slept position even they must be exist in our body in physical

means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem such

Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it is also

the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are following

seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and Ahankar

that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

>

> God bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> Dear Shri Pradeepji,

>

> It is not possible in this world to get a

> congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> atmosphere when there are many family

> members with various intelligence levels, styles

> of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> control all family members. Forget family

> members, can one even control his wife in his own

> room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> swabhava and how many are there like

> Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> can only break this and move ahead after

> attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> small in all respects in front of You .

> I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> and not advising.

>

> In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> language turns too abusive .

>

> We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have filtered

> the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

>

> Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this world

> with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> Siddhas can create that.

>

> So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> and embrace the desired. We have to

> continue living in this world with its shades

> of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

>

> In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> if someone does not understand the language

> of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> doing our homework which is why we were

> inviting you people for proper interpretations.

>

> Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> right in few years to come, therefore

> please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> and publish it when the time is ripe and

> you are ready.

>

> You have always misunderstood me, and

> I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> prosperity and affections between the members

> and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> individual knowledge, and not to create or

> enter into controversies, and neither to change

> the world, but change oneself , in all

> spheres.

>

> " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> jeevan hai. "

>

> So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> not get its importance unless it rises in

> the dirt, which is its speciality.

>

> Kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> >

> > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri Narasimha

Rao.

> > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> >

> > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> >

> > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did not

provide

> > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages, violent

> > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected standards.If

possible

> > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive criticism is a

> > different issue.

> >

> > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is no

> > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

contribute and

> > join the list.

> >

> > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that there is

no

> > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do homework

before we

> > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can be

> > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he wants --but

> > justice to conscience is a must.

> >

> > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For those who

want to

> > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For me

joining

> > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

understanding

> > alone and i go by rules laid.

> >

> > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and let live.

> >

> > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > >

> > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > >

> > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > >

> > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > caused you previously in last

> > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat these as

> doubts

> > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > >

> > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual fire,then what

> does the

> > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in shloka

36.What is

> > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from where.

> > > >

> > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to Lord.

> > > >

> > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year is the

body of

> > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the Horse?I am

not

> > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your meditative

> thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the one

which can

> > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of any

eternal

> > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > >

> > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being

killed.Is it

> > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can transcend

> > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > >

> > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body of the

horse -

> > > > then what is Horse.

> > > >

> > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left within

which can

> > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and smelling

of what,

> > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > >

> > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night with .Which

> > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > >

> > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is

mentioned

> > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are present.

> > > >

> > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending and

reaching

> > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels are

visible

> > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by any

means.My

> > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my doubts

to shri

> > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable splendour was

very

> > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > >

> > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a good

> scholar

> > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is

> > insufficient

> > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

*rishis*. Each

> > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To

understand

> > the

> > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength has

to

> match

> > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

> > > > >

> > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other

scriptures

> > (or

> > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a lot of

> people

> > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are

corrupted

> > due

> > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that

this

> > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this

age.

> It is

> > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and then,

> correct a

> > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play' of

this

> > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is the

> > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take things very

> personally

> > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the

drama, but

> > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If you

> > disagree

> > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > >

> > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

commentators

> may

> > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with fire

as we

> > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the

ritual

> > fire

> > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

> > > > >

> > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > >

> > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen

Kausalya

> > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning with

a

> > stable

> > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely,

> meditated

> > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were probably

> > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a bird, " susthitena

ca

> > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse

as " with a

> > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

misinterpreted

> > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite something.

> If you

> > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate sitting

by the

> > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of the night,

it

> is a

> > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > ---------------------------

----

> > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > ---------------------------

----

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the context

of the

> > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the

Balmiki

> > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-14-

34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha chetasaa=

with

> > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma,

desiring ï¿½

> > for

> > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for

> results;

> > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly flew

away

> > > > > like a

> > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the

Divine

> > Eagle

> > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim

avasat =

> > one,

> > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

disconcertedly

> > > > > resided

> > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. [1-

14-34]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some

> students

> > > > > who

> > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to search

the

> said

> > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to

find the

> > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna too?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

November 3, 2007

Dear Shashie Bhai,

Ram Ram,

Sorry for replying you a little late.

You are already a knowledgeable person and

spiritual man,so I was wondering how to reply

you.

We all know of the presence of Ida,Pingala

and Sushumna Nadi, in our bodies, and so is

the presence of the coiled serpent, or the

Kundalini. But where are these ? Why dont

they appear to a surgeon when he cuts through

the skin with his knife ? This is because,

these Nadis are present, not in the physical

body but in the astral body.

Whenever any disease is to strike, the humours

are disturbed in these Nadis, and then subsequently

they filter into the physical body. The

Modern Science may not agree to this, but it has

been proved through kirlian Photograpghy

that the astral body exists. The have also

proved how the disease manifests first in the

astral sphere and then effects the physical body

eventually. There are 72000 Nadis present as network

in our astral body, which if kept undisturbed, then

the person remains healthy.

Kundalini is the point which if activated, then rises

up and creates a phenemonon where the native is able

to perceive extra sensory happenings which a normal

person would not have access to. The Kundaline can be

made to rise, by activating any of the Chakras in the

body by meditating on those, and with special Yogic

techniques including Kriya Yoga, as mentioned in the

Bhagavad Gita. I personally believe the best way to

nake the Kundalini Jagrut, is to concentrate on the

Agyna Chakra which lies between the eye brows on the

forehead as the 3rd Invisible eye. The beej mantras

for this Chakra is " So Ham " which have to be recited

opposite way, to get the Chakra activated. I am not

allowed to speak further on this so I will recede now.

You mentioned about Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh, Ershaya,Dwesh

and Ahankar that we must try to win. Of course these are

the basic requisites which if not met

and conquered, one can never hope to make his Kundalini

ever rise in this Life time.

therefore these centres and Worskhops in name of Sahaj

Yoga or others, are all bogus. They can never succeed

in making anyones Kundalinis rise, but yes they can

help in putting one on the right path. This journey of

making the Kundalini rise, has to be done alone,

with ones own efforts finally, and I dont think more

than 10 people alive today in the world , would have

their Kundalinis risen, and it would be very hard to

find them, unless one is on the same path.

I have already taken help from them, at time when my

Father was facing death 4 years back, and their

prayers elongated his Life, but I would dare not

go back to them again for further help,

because I have not led my Life

in the way they would hoped I would, after receiving

their help.

I think most of us should be normally good human beings,

which is enough development for us, and once we feel

confident that we have become good human beings

then we can start and begin on the path

to awaken our Kundalinis, which is not impossible,but

a difficult path to tread on, and commands lots of

sacrifices of mundane pleasures and comforts which

we are accustomed to.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, Shashie Shekhar

<polite_astro wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

>

> Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> Jai Ram ji ki

> You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read several

times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they are in

slept position even they must be exist in our body in physical

means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem such

Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it is also

the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are following

seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and Ahankar

that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

>

> God bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Shri Pradeepji,

>

> It is not possible in this world to get a

> congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> atmosphere when there are many family

> members with various intelligence levels, styles

> of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> control all family members. Forget family

> members, can one even control his wife in his own

> room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> swabhava and how many are there like

> Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> can only break this and move ahead after

> attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> small in all respects in front of You .

> I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> and not advising.

>

> In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> language turns too abusive .

>

> We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have filtered

> the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

>

> Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this world

> with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> Siddhas can create that.

>

> So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> and embrace the desired. We have to

> continue living in this world with its shades

> of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

>

> In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> if someone does not understand the language

> of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> doing our homework which is why we were

> inviting you people for proper interpretations.

>

> Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> right in few years to come, therefore

> please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> and publish it when the time is ripe and

> you are ready.

>

> You have always misunderstood me, and

> I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> prosperity and affections between the members

> and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> individual knowledge, and not to create or

> enter into controversies, and neither to change

> the world, but change oneself , in all

> spheres.

>

> " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> jeevan hai. "

>

> So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> not get its importance unless it rises in

> the dirt, which is its speciality.

>

> Kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> >

> > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri Narasimha Rao.

> > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> >

> > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> >

> > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did not provide

> > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages, violent

> > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected standards.If possible

> > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive criticism is a

> > different issue.

> >

> > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is no

> > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people contribute and

> > join the list.

> >

> > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that there is no

> > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do homework before we

> > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can be

> > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he wants --but

> > justice to conscience is a must.

> >

> > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For those who want to

> > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For me joining

> > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my understanding

> > alone and i go by rules laid.

> >

> > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and let live.

> >

> > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > >

> > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > >

> > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > >

> > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > caused you previously in last

> > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat these as

> doubts

> > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > >

> > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual fire,then what

> does the

> > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in shloka

36.What is

> > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from where.

> > > >

> > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to Lord.

> > > >

> > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year is the

body of

> > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the Horse?I am not

> > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your meditative

> thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the one

which can

> > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of any eternal

> > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > >

> > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being

killed.Is it

> > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can transcend

> > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > >

> > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body of the

horse -

> > > > then what is Horse.

> > > >

> > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left within

which can

> > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and smelling of

what,

> > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > >

> > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night with .Which

> > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > >

> > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is mentioned

> > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are present.

> > > >

> > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending and reaching

> > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels are visible

> > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by any

means.My

> > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my doubts to

shri

> > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable splendour was very

> > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > >

> > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a good

> scholar

> > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is

> > insufficient

> > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of *rishis*.

Each

> > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To understand

> > the

> > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength has to

> match

> > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

> > > > >

> > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other scriptures

> > (or

> > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a lot of

> people

> > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are corrupted

> > due

> > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that this

> > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this age.

> It is

> > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and then,

> correct a

> > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play' of this

> > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is the

> > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take things very

> personally

> > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the

drama, but

> > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If you

> > disagree

> > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > >

> > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some commentators

> may

> > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with fire

as we

> > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the ritual

> > fire

> > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

> > > > >

> > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > >

> > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen

Kausalya

> > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning with a

> > stable

> > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely,

> meditated

> > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were probably

> > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a bird, " susthitena ca

> > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse as

" with a

> > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

misinterpreted

> > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite something.

> If you

> > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate sitting

by the

> > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of the night, it

> is a

> > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the context

of the

> > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the Balmiki

> > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-14-34

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha chetasaa= with

> > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma, desiring ï¿½

> > for

> > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for

> results;

> > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly flew

away

> > > > > like a

> > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the Divine

> > Eagle

> > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim avasat =

> > one,

> > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly

> > > > > resided

> > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird.

[1-14-34]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some

> students

> > > > > who

> > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to search the

> said

> > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to find

the

> > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna too?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

November 4, 2007

Dear Shashie Bhai,

Ram Ram Bhai.

Yes of course Moksha is not just available for

the only few who are into Kundli Jagran.

It can be attained through any means, Bhakti Yoga,

Japa Yog, Dhyan Yoga, Karma Yoga and also

Raj Yoga.

We have many examples of vbarious great personalities in

Indian History of the Ramayana and Mahabharata

who have achieved the ultimate through

one or the other such Margs (Paths).

Ultimate aim of all these Margs is to

achieve Gyan (Prakash- Light), or Supreme

knowledge which transcends one to the

keys of Birth and Rebirth, various realms

of existence, and way to the Ultimate Realm

of Vaikuntha Loka for Savikar

Bhakti, or the naad of Om which

pervades all space, through the Nirvikaar

Bhakti for the Kriya Yogi

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Shashie Shekhar

<polite_astro wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a person has

passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in peaceful manner

and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness but he never listens

about the so called Kundalini or their jagran.Will he not get Moksha

etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These are depend on elders /

family sanskaars in childhood and later on Satsang and God help those

who help others and to think for others welfare it is the true grace

of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity as i understand. Thanks

for placing your views.

>

> God bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

> litsol <litsol wrote:

> Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini (energy) is

> there in body otherwise how u r alive.

>

> surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in electrict

> wires.

>

> now what is kundalini awakening ?

>

> as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our physical

> world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as ur

> kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as a result,

> ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to receive

> and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start realizing

> divine existance in daily worldly life.

>

> your level of free will increases.

>

> you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i asked

> you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's bhakti, I

> wanted to know about ur bhakti.

>

> Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or other

> scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

> awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is a must

> here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a powerful

> mantra, he may misuse it.

>

> he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra for a bad

> purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6 chakras,

> unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not ego nor

> knowledge.

>

> That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or curse, he

> doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can get a lesson

> from Amma also.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

, Shashie Shekhar

>

> wrote:

> >

> > ll HARE RAM ll

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > Jai Ram ji ki

> > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read several

> times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they are in

> slept position even they must be exist in our body in physical

> means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem such

> Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it is also

> the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are following

> seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and Ahankar

> that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> >

> > God bless

> > Shashie Shekhar

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> >

> > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > atmosphere when there are many family

> > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > control all family members. Forget family

> > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > swabhava and how many are there like

> > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > can only break this and move ahead after

> > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > small in all respects in front of You .

> > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > and not advising.

> >

> > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > language turns too abusive .

> >

> > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have filtered

> > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> >

> > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this world

> > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> > Siddhas can create that.

> >

> > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > continue living in this world with its shades

> > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> >

> > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > if someone does not understand the language

> > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > doing our homework which is why we were

> > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> >

> > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > right in few years to come, therefore

> > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > you are ready.

> >

> > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > prosperity and affections between the members

> > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > spheres.

> >

> > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > jeevan hai. "

> >

> > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> >

> > Kind regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > >

> > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri Narasimha

> Rao.

> > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > >

> > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > >

> > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did not

> provide

> > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages, violent

> > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected standards.If

> possible

> > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive criticism is a

> > > different issue.

> > >

> > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is no

> > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

> contribute and

> > > join the list.

> > >

> > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that there is

> no

> > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do homework

> before we

> > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can be

> > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he wants --but

> > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > >

> > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For those who

> want to

> > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For me

> joining

> > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

> understanding

> > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > >

> > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and let live.

> > >

> > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > >

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > >

> > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > >

> > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > >

> > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > >

> > > > Kind regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat these as

> > doubts

> > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual fire,then what

> > does the

> > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in shloka

> 36.What is

> > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from where.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to Lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year is the

> body of

> > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the Horse?I am

> not

> > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your meditative

> > thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the one

> which can

> > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of any

> eternal

> > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being

> killed.Is it

> > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can transcend

> > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body of the

> horse -

> > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > >

> > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left within

> which can

> > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and smelling

> of what,

> > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night with .Which

> > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is

> mentioned

> > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are present.

> > > > >

> > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending and

> reaching

> > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels are

> visible

> > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by any

> means.My

> > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my doubts

> to shri

> > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable splendour was

> very

> > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a good

> > scholar

> > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is

> > > insufficient

> > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

> *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To

> understand

> > > the

> > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength has

> to

> > match

> > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other

> scriptures

> > > (or

> > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a lot of

> > people

> > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are

> corrupted

> > > due

> > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that

> this

> > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this

> age.

> > It is

> > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and then,

> > correct a

> > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play' of

> this

> > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is the

> > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take things very

> > personally

> > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the

> drama, but

> > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If you

> > > disagree

> > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

> commentators

> > may

> > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with fire

> as we

> > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the

> ritual

> > > fire

> > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen

> Kausalya

> > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning with

> a

> > > stable

> > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely,

> > meditated

> > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were probably

> > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a bird, " susthitena

> ca

> > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse

> as " with a

> > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

> misinterpreted

> > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite something.

> > If you

> > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate sitting

> by the

> > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of the night,

> it

> > is a

> > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the context

> of the

> > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the

> Balmiki

> > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-14-

> 34

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha chetasaa=

> with

> > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma,

> desiring ï¿½

> > > for

> > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for

> > results;

> > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly flew

> away

> > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the

> Divine

> > > Eagle

> > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim

> avasat =

> > > one,

> > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> disconcertedly

> > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. [1-

> 14-34]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some

> > students

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to search

> the

> > said

> > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to

> find the

> > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna too?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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