Pervez Musharraf, Judiciary and Pakistan

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Attached is the astro analysis, I had penned five months before, on the

political uncertanity and consequences of judicial crises in Pakistan.

 

M. Imran

03-11-2007

Karachi

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mr. Imran and list members, Thank you for sharing the information, including the chart for Pervez Musharraf, which I attach in gif file and JTL format for those receiving the email. The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the developments exactly as per the Systems Approach. 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus is at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is therefore not surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side, undermining his power. 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes and L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great deal of trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7 aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal

affliction in his chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer stationary. is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space. 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has now entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it is still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December, where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak in transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters Scoprio H1. 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving him protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, where it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will move into

Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his position should thus increase in late November. 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP it is the real source of his political power and what makes him a leader. Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and remain head of state for some more time. However, the present transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sun will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with another crisis. Finally, I would

welcome 's judgement of his chances to remain in power. Best wishes, Thor"M. Imran" <astroimran wrote: Attached is the astro analysis, I had penned five months before, on the political uncertanity and consequences of judicial crises in Pakistan. M. Imran 03-11-2007 Karachi

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Imranji. Superb analysis reflecting your depth of knowledge in Astrology With much appreciation Jyotishkid "M. Imran" <astroimran wrote: Attached is the astro analysis, I had penned five months before, on the political uncertanity and consequences of judicial crises in Pakistan. M. Imran 03-11-2007 Karachi

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Dear Imran,

i am sorry to write that no file is attached. Please

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> consequences of judicial crises in Pakistan.

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congragulations, Bhaskar on the shaadi of your daughter. wish the best for

her as well as the prosperity of your family and theirs.

 

 

 

namaskar,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear memebers ,

 

This i find from another group .

 

Dear All,

One of our fellow astrologer successfully predicted

about the Pakistan Emergency many days before in one

of the . The related posts is attached

along with. Now that the prediction came true the

successful prediction and the genuine good

understanding about the astrological principles should

be appreciated. So this mail.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

> Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Its mushareff in

> pakistan

>

> Dear Sunil Sir,

>

> I wish so.As you heard last night at 0010 hrs,in

> the rally of BB a suicider bomber blew himself near

> the truch of BB,140 killed and over 100 injured,your

> predictions are going correct.

>

> Regds-javed

> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> Hare ramakrishna,

> dear jaaved saab .

> Let us hope for the best .We wll wait and watch

> wat will happen .Today just now heard news that

> madam benezir bhutto is going to land in pakistan

> without even heeding advises of mushereff ji .

> can hope all will end well .

> still very much down with fever .

> thanks u sir

> sunil nair

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

</post?postID=FR-auEiT0aTk\

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MDD8B8ly0s7Hh1SWFWhqVGkK> ,

> " javed_khaanzada " <javed_khaanzada wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Sir,

> >

> > Yesterday,very important cabinet minister of

> Musharraf's govt has

> > announced on media,that if SC will give him

> verdict against

> > Musharraf,then Marshall Law could be imposed.

> >

> > Regds-javed

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

</post?postID=FR-auEiT0aTk\

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MDD8B8ly0s7Hh1SWFWhqVGkK> ,

> javed khaanzada

> > javed_khaanzada@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil Sir,

> > >

> > > Praying for your sound health.

> > >

> > > Are you seeing any chances of Marshall Law?

> > >

> > > Regds-javed

> > >

> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > dear javed saab ,

> > >

> > > I think after nov 15th onwards more better time

> ,still he

> > has to face lot of challeneges .I dont think court

> can challenge him

> > in his ascention to power as he is still military

> ruler unless

> > military dont co -operate with him .Here i think

> he is in a mood to

> > do any thing ,so let us wait and see .

> > >

> > > But it will creat new problems in pakistan .

> > >

> > > but here i think final victory for musharaff

> after lot of

> > grinding .

> > > By the way i am also down with fever ,so hardly

> comes to online.

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

</post?postID=FR-auEiT0aTk\

0vJaTv7kZGtN-GZB4eZSjlTge0J1F-tqUBqqrIjN0WutKZJfZ_tq6zgdhDKx2LNoeIIM9gAU\

MDD8B8ly0s7Hh1SWFWhqVGkK> ,

> javed khaanzada

> > <javed_khaanzada@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil Sir,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry for late reply,but I was badly sick

> since last week.

> > > >

> > > > Yes,present time and coming few months seems

> to be troublsome

> > for Musharaf.

> > > >

> > > > Although he has been elected from electoral

> college,but Supreme

> > Court has not allowed alection commission for

> announcement.

> > > >

> > > > Next hearing is fromm 17 October for day to

> day hearing.

> > > >

> > > > On the other hand the Recocilliation Ordinance

> is also been

> > challanged in the SC,in which Musharaff has given

> Benazir immenesty

> > in all her pending cases,those were biggest

> hurdles for her return.

> > > >

> > > > He also advised her not to come on 18th

> Oct,and wait for the

> > court decision,but at this moment she is ignoring

> his advices.

> > > >

> > > > Chief Justice of SC has personal disputes with

> Musharaff,so the

> > position is not seems to be good.

> > > >

> > > > Regds-javed

 

> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > Hare ramakrishna.

> > > > dear javed saab ,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the feed back ,even to day only i

> came to know that

> > it was a election by selected representatives of

> provintial

> > assembly .

> > > >

> > > > But as i told u in prashna ,the period upto

> dec 20 th will be

> > testing or trouble some and a prashna maximum

> reflects upto one year

> > in chart .

> > > >

> > > > Only birth chart is superior and if his birth

> date can be blved

> > i feel nothing will happen to him and the trnsits

> over the charts

> > showing some rise only along with tensions.

> > > >

> > > > prashna is the sum total of karma results and

> its effects till u

> > ask a prashna ,again personal participation and

> astrologers

> > spiritual powers is important .

> > > >

> > > > But still i feel that from nov 15 th to dec 20

> is crucial .

> > > >

> > > > As jup is going to change rasi to sagitarious

> and mars is going

> > to be vakri and sani will be vakri by dec 19th .So

> this celestial

> > planets has a plan .

> > > >

> > > > And In prashna lagna was influenced by

> benefics and karyesha

> > (the indicating planets ) and only 10th lord

> showing profession was

> > not comfortable and lagna was sandwitched by

> malefic planets in both

> > sides .The rasi showing future was occuppied by

> shubh (benefics ) so

> > still i feel his position is safe and may be he

> may be reduce his

> > powers or some under table agreements like this,

> he will survive any

> > movement ,But still he may be always troubled for

> one year by this

> > or that as lagna represnting him is under malefics

> on both sides.

> > > >

> > > > Any way the opposition parties showing a

> confusion or not in

> > powerful way to explioit the trend .So they can

> show little more

> > strnght by coming time .And mind the prashna hora

> (planetary hour )

> > was influnced by mars planet of agression and

> enmity.

> > > >

> > > > I told u b4 the mars and sani conjn in leo

> rasi going to happen

> > by 21 st june 2008 to 10th august 2008 is i dont

> know what is going

> > to show it for pakistan .as its going to happen in

> 5th house .5th

> > indicating children also .

> > > >

> > > > and its happening in 4th house a heart rasi of

> india --showing

> > delhi or capital

> > > >

> > > > whether its natural disasters we dont know .

> > > >

> > > > But i can say he is in safe route and

> judiciary ,burocracy and

> > administartion what way will be behaving i cannot

> say .

> > > >

> > > > Yes till dec 20TH may be trouble some then

> what sani -saturn (

> > the giver of ones karma in this life and pevious

> life ) is behaving

> > in his retro is wait and see .Along with other

> planets who r

> > changing the signs and retrogression .

> > > >

> > > > I wish a peace ful pakistan and i had a

> personal liking for

> > General mushareff also ( may be my martial

> influnce in my chart , i

> > like all military leaders including saddam

> hussein)

> > > >

> > > > thanks and regrds

> > > > sunil nair

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

</post?postID=FR-auEiT0aTk\

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MDD8B8ly0s7Hh1SWFWhqVGkK> , javed

> khaanzada

> > javed_khaanzada@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > However he got a land slide victory BUT

> Supreme Court is in

> > harsh mood,his matter is already in SC,which was

> adjourned till 17th

> > Oct,so he is also warned not to take oath,and

> election commission is

> > alos bound down not to announce the official

> results till the

> > decision of SC.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds-javed

> > > > >

> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > > dear group ,

> > > > > Just now i read a newspaper report that

> mushareff got absolute

> > majority in pakkistan.I dont know the intrikacies

> of election

> > procedure there.

> > > > > I think some few court cases also pending

> against him .

> > > > > all the best to mushareff and my bretherens

> in pakkistan

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

 

 

Sreenadh

 

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> congragulations, Bhaskar on the shaadi of your daughter. wish the best

for

> her as well as the prosperity of your family and theirs.

>

>

>

> namaskar,

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Group,

 

I have been with Sunil Nair and Javed's communication, Sunil Ji has

rightly predicted about Emergency in pakistan, in fact, there was a

complete thread on Pakistaan's issue.

 

We had seen, Pervez is no way getting affected by attacks on him and

it was our wish for him too, right now he is required to the world.

 

But this srinadh is again trying to take mileage despite his henious

intensions are exposed. Sunil ji isolated him and very cleverly he is

posting his prediction every where to make a good place within Sunil

Ji.

 

We should observe why somebody is doing what.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983 wrote:

>

>

> Dear memebers ,

>

> This i find from another group .

>

> Dear All,

> One of our fellow astrologer successfully predicted

> about the Pakistan Emergency many days before in one

> of the . The related posts is attached

> along with. Now that the prediction came true the

> successful prediction and the genuine good

> understanding about the astrological principles should

> be appreciated. So this mail.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Its mushareff in

> > pakistan

> >

> > Dear Sunil Sir,

> >

> > I wish so.As you heard last night at 0010 hrs,in

> > the rally of BB a suicider bomber blew himself near

> > the truch of BB,140 killed and over 100 injured,your

> > predictions are going correct.

> >

> > Regds-javed

> > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > Hare ramakrishna,

> > dear jaaved saab .

> > Let us hope for the best .We wll wait and watch

> > wat will happen .Today just now heard news that

> > madam benezir bhutto is going to land in pakistan

> > without even heeding advises of mushereff ji .

> > can hope all will end well .

> > still very much down with fever .

> > thanks u sir

> > sunil nair

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> </post?postID=FR-

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> 0vJaTv7kZGtN-GZB4eZSjlTge0J1F-

tqUBqqrIjN0WutKZJfZ_tq6zgdhDKx2LNoeIIM9gAU\

> MDD8B8ly0s7Hh1SWFWhqVGkK> ,

> > " javed_khaanzada " <javed_khaanzada@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil Sir,

> > >

> > > Yesterday,very important cabinet minister of

> > Musharraf's govt has

> > > announced on media,that if SC will give him

> > verdict against

> > > Musharraf,then Marshall Law could be imposed.

> > >

> > > Regds-javed

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> </post?postID=FR-

auEiT0aTk\

> 0vJaTv7kZGtN-GZB4eZSjlTge0J1F-

tqUBqqrIjN0WutKZJfZ_tq6zgdhDKx2LNoeIIM9gAU\

> MDD8B8ly0s7Hh1SWFWhqVGkK> ,

> > javed khaanzada

> > > javed_khaanzada@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Praying for your sound health.

> > > >

> > > > Are you seeing any chances of Marshall Law?

> > > >

> > > > Regds-javed

> > > >

> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > > dear javed saab ,

> > > >

> > > > I think after nov 15th onwards more better time

> > ,still he

> > > has to face lot of challeneges .I dont think court

> > can challenge him

> > > in his ascention to power as he is still military

> > ruler unless

> > > military dont co -operate with him .Here i think

> > he is in a mood to

> > > do any thing ,so let us wait and see .

> > > >

> > > > But it will creat new problems in pakistan .

> > > >

> > > > but here i think final victory for musharaff

> > after lot of

> > > grinding .

> > > > By the way i am also down with fever ,so hardly

> > comes to online.

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> </post?postID=FR-

auEiT0aTk\

> 0vJaTv7kZGtN-GZB4eZSjlTge0J1F-

tqUBqqrIjN0WutKZJfZ_tq6zgdhDKx2LNoeIIM9gAU\

> MDD8B8ly0s7Hh1SWFWhqVGkK> ,

> > javed khaanzada

> > > <javed_khaanzada@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry for late reply,but I was badly sick

> > since last week.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes,present time and coming few months seems

> > to be troublsome

> > > for Musharaf.

> > > > >

> > > > > Although he has been elected from electoral

> > college,but Supreme

> > > Court has not allowed alection commission for

> > announcement.

> > > > >

> > > > > Next hearing is fromm 17 October for day to

> > day hearing.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the other hand the Recocilliation Ordinance

> > is also been

> > > challanged in the SC,in which Musharaff has given

> > Benazir immenesty

> > > in all her pending cases,those were biggest

> > hurdles for her return.

> > > > >

> > > > > He also advised her not to come on 18th

> > Oct,and wait for the

> > > court decision,but at this moment she is ignoring

> > his advices.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chief Justice of SC has personal disputes with

> > Musharaff,so the

> > > position is not seems to be good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds-javed

>

> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna.

> > > > > dear javed saab ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the feed back ,even to day only i

> > came to know that

> > > it was a election by selected representatives of

> > provintial

> > > assembly .

> > > > >

> > > > > But as i told u in prashna ,the period upto

> > dec 20 th will be

> > > testing or trouble some and a prashna maximum

> > reflects upto one year

> > > in chart .

> > > > >

> > > > > Only birth chart is superior and if his birth

> > date can be blved

> > > i feel nothing will happen to him and the trnsits

> > over the charts

> > > showing some rise only along with tensions.

> > > > >

> > > > > prashna is the sum total of karma results and

> > its effects till u

> > > ask a prashna ,again personal participation and

> > astrologers

> > > spiritual powers is important .

> > > > >

> > > > > But still i feel that from nov 15 th to dec 20

> > is crucial .

> > > > >

> > > > > As jup is going to change rasi to sagitarious

> > and mars is going

> > > to be vakri and sani will be vakri by dec 19th .So

> > this celestial

> > > planets has a plan .

> > > > >

> > > > > And In prashna lagna was influenced by

> > benefics and karyesha

> > > (the indicating planets ) and only 10th lord

> > showing profession was

> > > not comfortable and lagna was sandwitched by

> > malefic planets in both

> > > sides .The rasi showing future was occuppied by

> > shubh (benefics ) so

> > > still i feel his position is safe and may be he

> > may be reduce his

> > > powers or some under table agreements like this,

> > he will survive any

> > > movement ,But still he may be always troubled for

> > one year by this

> > > or that as lagna represnting him is under malefics

> > on both sides.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any way the opposition parties showing a

> > confusion or not in

> > > powerful way to explioit the trend .So they can

> > show little more

> > > strnght by coming time .And mind the prashna hora

> > (planetary hour )

> > > was influnced by mars planet of agression and

> > enmity.

> > > > >

> > > > > I told u b4 the mars and sani conjn in leo

> > rasi going to happen

> > > by 21 st june 2008 to 10th august 2008 is i dont

> > know what is going

> > > to show it for pakistan .as its going to happen in

> > 5th house .5th

> > > indicating children also .

> > > > >

> > > > > and its happening in 4th house a heart rasi of

> > india --showing

> > > delhi or capital

> > > > >

> > > > > whether its natural disasters we dont know .

> > > > >

> > > > > But i can say he is in safe route and

> > judiciary ,burocracy and

> > > administartion what way will be behaving i cannot

> > say .

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes till dec 20TH may be trouble some then

> > what sani -saturn (

> > > the giver of ones karma in this life and pevious

> > life ) is behaving

> > > in his retro is wait and see .Along with other

> > planets who r

> > > changing the signs and retrogression .

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish a peace ful pakistan and i had a

> > personal liking for

> > > General mushareff also ( may be my martial

> > influnce in my chart , i

> > > like all military leaders including saddam

> > hussein)

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks and regrds

> > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> </post?postID=FR-

auEiT0aTk\

> 0vJaTv7kZGtN-GZB4eZSjlTge0J1F-

tqUBqqrIjN0WutKZJfZ_tq6zgdhDKx2LNoeIIM9gAU\

> MDD8B8ly0s7Hh1SWFWhqVGkK> , javed

> > khaanzada

> > > javed_khaanzada@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However he got a land slide victory BUT

> > Supreme Court is in

> > > harsh mood,his matter is already in SC,which was

> > adjourned till 17th

> > > Oct,so he is also warned not to take oath,and

> > election commission is

> > > alos bound down not to announce the official

> > results till the

> > > decision of SC.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds-javed

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > > > dear group ,

> > > > > > Just now i read a newspaper report that

> > mushareff got absolute

> > > majority in pakkistan.I dont know the intrikacies

> > of election

> > > procedure there.

> > > > > > I think some few court cases also pending

> > against him .

> > > > > > all the best to mushareff and my bretherens

> > in pakkistan

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

>

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Raja Gursahani "

> <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> >

> > congragulations, Bhaskar on the shaadi of your daughter. wish the

best

> for

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> > __________

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> > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Imram,

 

I have two related questions regarding the chart for Pakistan.

 

1) What is the reason you do not consider the midnight hour on 14

August as is customary? I recall on 1 November 2003, you posted a

file on SAMVA files section. At that time you wrote:

 

" There has been a long debate on the true birth date of Pakistan.

Some suggests mid night 14-Aug-1947, while some opines 15-Aug-1947.

For the sake of ease for astrologers and researchers I have compiled

following table, to check the validity of happenings in the light of

Astrology. There is a list of significant events arranged chronically

along with the three levels of Vimshottari Dasa. In my humble

opinion, radio announcement on 14 August 1947 at 12:00:01 am, 5:30

East of GMT, Karachi, having niryana ascendant 7:16 is more

acceptable. "

 

2) The chart you have now presented gives 8:53 AM and 28° Leo rising.

What is the basis of this new time for your chart for Pakistan?. In

my records, I have 9:00 AM as the time for the swearing in of the new

leader, giving 1°Virgo rising. Is this the same event your time

refers to? Why has an earlier time been selected?

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Imran and list members,

>

> Thank you for sharing the information, including the chart for

Pervez Musharraf, which I attach in gif file and JTL format for

those receiving the email.

>

> The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the

developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

>

> 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus is

at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is therefore not

surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side,

undermining his power.

>

> 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes

and L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great

deal of trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7

aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his

chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer stationary.

is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from

the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

>

> 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has now

entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it is

still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an

increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December,

where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak in

transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters

Scoprio H1.

>

> 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving him

protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, where

it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on

22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will move

into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his position

should thus increase in late November.

>

> 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As

L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP it

is the real source of his political power and what makes him a

leader.

>

> Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid

January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and

remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sun

will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the

middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with

another crisis.

>

> Finally, I would welcome 's judgement of his

chances to remain in power.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> " M. Imran " <astroimran wrote:

> Attached is the astro analysis, I had penned five

months before, on the political uncertanity and consequences of

judicial crises in Pakistan.

>

> M. Imran

> 03-11-2007

> Karachi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

It is the Varshaphala chart of Pakistan.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

On 11/5/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Dear Mr. Imram,I have two related questions regarding the chart for Pakistan.1) What is the reason you do not consider the midnight hour on 14

August as is customary? I recall on 1 November 2003, you posted afile on SAMVA files section. At that time you wrote: " There has been a long debate on the true birth date of Pakistan.Some suggests mid night 14-Aug-1947, while some opines 15-Aug-1947.

For the sake of ease for astrologers and researchers I have compiledfollowing table, to check the validity of happenings in the light ofAstrology. There is a list of significant events arranged chronically

along with the three levels of Vimshottari Dasa. In my humbleopinion, radio announcement on 14 August 1947 at 12:00:01 am, 5:30East of GMT, Karachi, having niryana ascendant 7:16 is moreacceptable. "

2) The chart you have now presented gives 8:53 AM and 28° Leo rising.What is the basis of this new time for your chart for Pakistan?. Inmy records, I have 9:00 AM as the time for the swearing in of the newleader, giving 1°Virgo rising. Is this the same event your time

refers to? Why has an earlier time been selected?Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> Dear Mr. Imran and list members,

>> Thank you for sharing the information, including the chart forPervez Musharraf, which I attach in gif file and JTL format forthose receiving the email.>> The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the

developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.>> 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus isat 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is therefore notsurprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side,undermining his power.>> 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodesand L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great

deal of trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in hischart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer stationary.is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from

the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.>> 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has nowentered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it isstill well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an

increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December,where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak intransit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it entersScoprio H1.

>> 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving himprotection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, whereit is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on

22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will moveinto Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his positionshould thus increase in late November.>> 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As

L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP itis the real source of his political power and what makes him aleader.>> Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin toincrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until midJanuary 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power andremain head of state for some more time. However, the present

transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sunwill be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during themiddle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted withanother crisis.

>> Finally, I would welcome 's judgement of hischances to remain in power.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>> " M. Imran " <astroimran wrote:

> Attached is the astro analysis, I had penned fivemonths before, on the political uncertanity and consequences ofjudicial crises in Pakistan.>> M. Imran> 03-11-2007

> Karachi> > > >

>>> > > >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor and Members,

 

Jorge is right, that chart was not natal, but solar return (varshphal)

for 2007-08. The said varshphal was based on August 14, 1947

(12:00am). If I am not wrong, System Approach does not pay much

consideration to the varshphal.

 

Well, I have read your earlier reply

(SAMVA/message/14226), analyzed in

detail and gave a verdict that he would remain head of the state. But

I am afraid that General Pervez Musharraf will not see the antar of

Mars-Sun as ruler.

 

The on-going Venus antar in Mars dasha possesses enormous inauspicious

factors. Simultaneously, the evil transit of Saturn in 10 house (from

lagna) over natal Rahu and Mars, has already turned his presidency a

bed of thorn.

 

The concluding sojourn of Jupiter into Scorpio (along with Saturn in

Cancer) has resulted in judicial crises in Pakistan.

 

Pakistan (14-08-1947 at 12:00am Karachi) 23*15' Aries.

+--------------+

| \ / \ / |

| \ Ra / \ GL / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|Gk \ / \ / |

|Mo Ma x As x |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / Me \ 1 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| Sa Su Md x HL |

| \ / \ / |

| \ Ve / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|AL x Ju x |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / Ke \ |

| / \ / \ |

+--------------+

 

Why? Just have a glance into radical chart of Pakistan. Here, Scorpio

has natal Ketu - one of the significator of litigations and judicial

matters. During transit Jupiter over Ketu, Pakistan remained engulfed

in judicial crises. One the other hand, transit Saturn in 4th Cancer

has made the masses against sitting government. But the ingress of

Saturn in Leo has restored the disposed Chief Justice Iftikhar

Chaudhry on July 20, 2007. Unfortunately Chief Justice was again

ousted as he has radical Saturn in Leo. (Libra Ascendant and Aries Moon).

 

Now Jupiter is about to enter in its own mooltrikona - Sagittarius. It

should be keep in mind that Sagittarius is the 9th house from natal

ascendant (and 7th from natal Moon). While in Musharraf's Chart,

transit Jupiter will be 2nd from lagna but 6th from Moon. The General

is already in the clutches of bad nodal transit. So the tug of war

between Judiciary and Military in Pakistan will end at the defeat of

Military. Moreover, Jupiter in Sagittarius will not gives Pakistani

people general elections, but also peace in its tribal areas.

 

The present state of emergency, declared by General Musharraf on

November 3rd, will probably be lifted when Mars would go retrograde on

November 16, 2007.

 

One last point: Pakistan is about entering into Maha Dasha of Venus.

Thus soio-political changes are indispensable.

 

Regards,

M. Imran

Karachi

 

 

SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> It is the Varshaphala chart of Pakistan.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Jorge

>

>

> On 11/5/07, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Imram,

> >

> > I have two related questions regarding the chart for Pakistan.

> >

> > 1) What is the reason you do not consider the midnight hour on 14

> > August as is customary? I recall on 1 November 2003, you posted a

> > file on SAMVA files section. At that time you wrote:

> >

> > " There has been a long debate on the true birth date of Pakistan.

> > Some suggests mid night 14-Aug-1947, while some opines 15-Aug-1947.

> > For the sake of ease for astrologers and researchers I have compiled

> > following table, to check the validity of happenings in the light of

> > Astrology. There is a list of significant events arranged chronically

> > along with the three levels of Vimshottari Dasa. In my humble

> > opinion, radio announcement on 14 August 1947 at 12:00:01 am, 5:30

> > East of GMT, Karachi, having niryana ascendant 7:16 is more

> > acceptable. "

> >

> > 2) The chart you have now presented gives 8:53 AM and 28° Leo rising.

> > What is the basis of this new time for your chart for Pakistan?. In

> > my records, I have 9:00 AM as the time for the swearing in of the new

> > leader, giving 1°Virgo rising. Is this the same event your time

> > refers to? Why has an earlier time been selected?

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Imran and list members,

> > >

> > > Thank you for sharing the information, including the chart for

> > Pervez Musharraf, which I attach in gif file and JTL format for

> > those receiving the email.

> > >

> > > The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the

> > developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

> > >

> > > 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus is

> > at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is therefore not

> > surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

> > government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side,

> > undermining his power.

> > >

> > > 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes

> > and L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great

> > deal of trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7

> > aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his

> > chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer stationary.

> > is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from

> > the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

> > >

> > > 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has now

> > entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it is

> > still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an

> > increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December,

> > where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak in

> > transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters

> > Scoprio H1.

> > >

> > > 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving him

> > protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, where

> > it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on

> > 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will move

> > into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his position

> > should thus increase in late November.

> > >

> > > 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As

> > L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP it

> > is the real source of his political power and what makes him a

> > leader.

> > >

> > > Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

> > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid

> > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and

> > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sun

> > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the

> > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with

> > another crisis.

> > >

> > > Finally, I would welcome 's judgement of his

> > chances to remain in power.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > > " M. Imran " <astroimran@> wrote:

> > > Attached is the astro analysis, I had penned five

> > months before, on the political uncertanity and consequences of

> > judicial crises in Pakistan.

> > >

> > > M. Imran

> > > 03-11-2007

> > > Karachi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Imran,

 

Thank you for the clarification. Yes, it is true, we do not use

Varshapal (solar return) charts in SA. Nor do we use progressed

charts and a host of other derivative techniques. The aim of SA is to

focus on the salient factors at work for predictive accuracy.

 

Regarding your claim that I am predicting Musharrafs political

survival, then please note in my prediction the use of the

word " should " , which basically means the same as " if " :

 

" Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid

January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and

remain head of state for some more time. "

 

In other words, I read from his chart that his situation would be

expected to improve substantially in mid January, if he were able to

cling to power during this time. The astrological karma at the

present time is not at all helpful to him, but will become more

supportive just over two months from now.

 

We'll soon see how it goes for him as well as contenders like Mrs.

Bhutto. Do you have her chart?

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

SAMVA , " Muhammad Imran " <astroimran wrote:

>

> Dear Thor and Members,

>

> Jorge is right, that chart was not natal, but solar return

(varshphal)

> for 2007-08. The said varshphal was based on August 14, 1947

> (12:00am). If I am not wrong, System Approach does not pay much

> consideration to the varshphal.

>

> Well, I have read your earlier reply

> (SAMVA/message/14226), analyzed in

> detail and gave a verdict that he would remain head of the state.

But

> I am afraid that General Pervez Musharraf will not see the antar of

> Mars-Sun as ruler.

>

> The on-going Venus antar in Mars dasha possesses enormous

inauspicious

> factors. Simultaneously, the evil transit of Saturn in 10 house

(from

> lagna) over natal Rahu and Mars, has already turned his presidency a

> bed of thorn.

>

> The concluding sojourn of Jupiter into Scorpio (along with Saturn in

> Cancer) has resulted in judicial crises in Pakistan.

>

> Pakistan (14-08-1947 at 12:00am Karachi) 23*15' Aries.

> +--------------+

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ Ra / \ GL / |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> |Gk \ / \ / |

> |Mo Ma x As x |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / Me \ 1 / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | Sa Su Md x HL |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ Ve / \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> |AL x Ju x |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | / \ / Ke \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> +--------------+

>

> Why? Just have a glance into radical chart of Pakistan. Here,

Scorpio

> has natal Ketu - one of the significator of litigations and

judicial

> matters. During transit Jupiter over Ketu, Pakistan remained

engulfed

> in judicial crises. One the other hand, transit Saturn in 4th Cancer

> has made the masses against sitting government. But the ingress of

> Saturn in Leo has restored the disposed Chief Justice Iftikhar

> Chaudhry on July 20, 2007. Unfortunately Chief Justice was again

> ousted as he has radical Saturn in Leo. (Libra Ascendant and Aries

Moon).

>

> Now Jupiter is about to enter in its own mooltrikona - Sagittarius.

It

> should be keep in mind that Sagittarius is the 9th house from natal

> ascendant (and 7th from natal Moon). While in Musharraf's Chart,

> transit Jupiter will be 2nd from lagna but 6th from Moon. The

General

> is already in the clutches of bad nodal transit. So the tug of war

> between Judiciary and Military in Pakistan will end at the defeat of

> Military. Moreover, Jupiter in Sagittarius will not gives Pakistani

> people general elections, but also peace in its tribal areas.

>

> The present state of emergency, declared by General Musharraf on

> November 3rd, will probably be lifted when Mars would go retrograde

on

> November 16, 2007.

>

> One last point: Pakistan is about entering into Maha Dasha of Venus.

> Thus soio-political changes are indispensable.

>

> Regards,

> M. Imran

> Karachi

>

>

> SAMVA , " Jorge Angelino " <jorge.angelino@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Thor,

> >

> > It is the Varshaphala chart of Pakistan.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Jorge

> >

> >

> > On 11/5/07, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Imram,

> > >

> > > I have two related questions regarding the chart for Pakistan.

> > >

> > > 1) What is the reason you do not consider the midnight hour on

14

> > > August as is customary? I recall on 1 November 2003, you posted

a

> > > file on SAMVA files section. At that time you wrote:

> > >

> > > " There has been a long debate on the true birth date of

Pakistan.

> > > Some suggests mid night 14-Aug-1947, while some opines 15-Aug-

1947.

> > > For the sake of ease for astrologers and researchers I have

compiled

> > > following table, to check the validity of happenings in the

light of

> > > Astrology. There is a list of significant events arranged

chronically

> > > along with the three levels of Vimshottari Dasa. In my humble

> > > opinion, radio announcement on 14 August 1947 at 12:00:01 am,

5:30

> > > East of GMT, Karachi, having niryana ascendant 7:16 is more

> > > acceptable. "

> > >

> > > 2) The chart you have now presented gives 8:53 AM and 28° Leo

rising.

> > > What is the basis of this new time for your chart for

Pakistan?. In

> > > my records, I have 9:00 AM as the time for the swearing in of

the new

> > > leader, giving 1°Virgo rising. Is this the same event your time

> > > refers to? Why has an earlier time been selected?

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Imran and list members,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for sharing the information, including the chart

for

> > > Pervez Musharraf, which I attach in gif file and JTL format for

> > > those receiving the email.

> > > >

> > > > The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is

showing the

> > > developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

> > > >

> > > > 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As

Venus is

> > > at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is

therefore not

> > > surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

> > > government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side,

> > > undermining his power.

> > > >

> > > > 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal

nodes

> > > and L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a

great

> > > deal of trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed

in H7

> > > aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his

> > > chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer

stationary.

> > > is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed

from

> > > the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but

has now

> > > entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However,

it is

> > > still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an

> > > increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1

December,

> > > where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak

in

> > > transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters

> > > Scoprio H1.

> > > >

> > > > 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP

giving him

> > > protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12,

where

> > > it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius

H2 on

> > > 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will

move

> > > into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his

position

> > > should thus increase in late November.

> > > >

> > > > 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su

period. As

> > > L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9

MEP it

> > > is the real source of his political power and what makes him a

> > > leader.

> > > >

> > > > Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until

the

> > > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> > > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until

mid

> > > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his

power and

> > > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> > > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that

his Sun

> > > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during

the

> > > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted

with

> > > another crisis.

> > > >

> > > > Finally, I would welcome 's judgement of

his

> > > chances to remain in power.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Thor

> > > >

> > > > " M. Imran " <astroimran@> wrote:

> > > > Attached is the astro analysis, I had penned five

> > > months before, on the political uncertanity and consequences of

> > > judicial crises in Pakistan.

> > > >

> > > > M. Imran

> > > > 03-11-2007

> > > > Karachi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

On 7 November 2007, based on the application of Systems' Approach analysis of the chart for President Musharraf I made the following prediction:

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power andremain head of state for some more time."

 

It seems this prediction is now being realised in that he has managed to get through a very difficult period and has now begun to consolidate his position.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

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Musharraf issues warning to West

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mr Musharraf denied Pakistan was involved in any "double-crossing"President Pervez Musharraf has said that Pakistan's success in fighting terrorism is critical and any failure could impact on the West. In an address to a British think tank, he called for support and encouragement not "criticisms and insinuations". He outlined his strategy for defeating al-Qaeda and the Taleban, and securing Pakistan's border with Afghanistan. The president reiterated that delayed elections now due next month would be "free, fair, transparent and peaceful".

In his speech to the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) in London, he said: "I would ask anyone to give me how [the polls] can be rigged, and if anyone gives me any suggestion, I would be too glad to pass it onto the chief election commissioner for implementation."

 

 

 

 

 

 

We have to win because if we lose I think it will have an impact on the region and the world, maybe in the streets of Europe

 

President Musharraf

Parliamentary polls planned for January were postponed until 18 February after the opposition leader, Benazir Bhutto, was assassinated at a campaign rally. The president insisted that his country was capable of carrying out a full investigation into her death. He said that the assistance of detectives from the UK had been requested because "there may be some weaknesses in our forensic capabilities, in our technical capabilities". Streets of Europe The focus of Mr Musharraf's address, which comes on the first day of a three-day visit to Britain, was on the challenges of fighting terrorism. "We are in the forefront fighting terrorism and extremism, our success is critical. We have to win because if we lose I think it will have an impact on the region and the world, maybe in the streets of Europe.

 

 

 

 

Pakistan has a number of nuclear-capable missiles"So therefore we have to be together and we have to reinforce each other, encourage each other, support each other, instead of criticising and insinuating," he said. The president said his strategy in the so-called War on Terror was "multi-pronged" - military, political and socio-economic. He denied that Pakistan was involved in any "double-crossing", insisting: "We are not doing this for anyone, we are doing this for ourselves, for Pakistan. And I believe that." The president said that the only way for militants to gain access to Pakistan's nuclear arsenal would be if al-Qaeda or the Taleban overthrew the army or if extremist religious groups won next month's elections. Mr Musharraf, whose UK stop is part of a European tour, is expected to meet Prime Minister Gordon Brown, and address business leaders and members of the Pakistani community. The majority of Britain's estimated 1.6 million Muslims are of Pakistani descent.

cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 7:21:00 PM Re: Pervez Musharraf, Judiciary and PakistanDear Mr. Imran,Thank you for the clarification. Yes, it is true, we do not use Varshapal (solar return) charts in SA. Nor do we use progressed charts and a host of other derivative techniques. The aim of SA is to focus on the salient factors at work for predictive accuracy.Regarding your claim that I am predicting Musharrafs political survival, then please note in my prediction the use of the word "should", which basically means the same as "if":"Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to incrementally improve. Should

he manage to cling to power until mid January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power andremain head of state for some more time."In other words, I read from his chart that his situation would be expected to improve substantially in mid January, if he were able to cling to power during this time. The astrological karma at the present time is not at all helpful to him, but will become more supportive just over two months from now.We'll soon see how it goes for him as well as contenders like Mrs. Bhutto. Do you have her chart?Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "Muhammad Imran" <astroimran wrote:>> Dear Thor and Members,> > Jorge is right, that chart was not natal, but solar return (varshphal)> for 2007-08. The said

varshphal was based on August 14, 1947> (12:00am). If I am not wrong, System Approach does not pay much> consideration to the varshphal.> > Well, I have read your earlier reply> (SAMVA/message/14226), analyzed in> detail and gave a verdict that he would remain head of the state. But> I am afraid that General Pervez Musharraf will not see the antar of> Mars-Sun as ruler. > > The on-going Venus antar in Mars dasha possesses enormous inauspicious> factors. Simultaneously, the evil transit of Saturn in 10 house (from> lagna) over natal Rahu and Mars, has already turned his presidency a> bed of thorn. > > The concluding sojourn of Jupiter into Scorpio (along with Saturn in> Cancer) has resulted in judicial crises in Pakistan.

> > Pakistan (14-08-1947 at 12:00am Karachi) 23*15' Aries.> +--------------+> | \ / \ / |> | \ Ra / \ GL / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> |Gk \ / \ / |> |Mo Ma x As

x |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / Me \ 1 / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | Sa Su Md x HL |> | \

/ \ / |> | \ Ve / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> | \ / \ / |> |AL x Ju x |> | / \ / \

|> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / \ |> | / \ / Ke \ |> | / \ / \ |> +--------------+> > Why? Just have a glance into radical chart of Pakistan. Here, Scorpio> has natal Ketu - one of the significator of litigations and judicial> matters. During transit Jupiter over Ketu, Pakistan remained engulfed> in judicial crises. One

the other hand, transit Saturn in 4th Cancer> has made the masses against sitting government. But the ingress of> Saturn in Leo has restored the disposed Chief Justice Iftikhar> Chaudhry on July 20, 2007. Unfortunately Chief Justice was again> ousted as he has radical Saturn in Leo. (Libra Ascendant and Aries Moon).> > Now Jupiter is about to enter in its own mooltrikona - Sagittarius. It> should be keep in mind that Sagittarius is the 9th house from natal> ascendant (and 7th from natal Moon). While in Musharraf's Chart,> transit Jupiter will be 2nd from lagna but 6th from Moon. The General> is already in the clutches of bad nodal transit. So the tug of war> between Judiciary and Military in Pakistan will end at the defeat of> Military. Moreover, Jupiter in Sagittarius will not gives Pakistani> people general elections, but also peace in its tribal

areas.> > The present state of emergency, declared by General Musharraf on> November 3rd, will probably be lifted when Mars would go retrograde on> November 16, 2007.> > One last point: Pakistan is about entering into Maha Dasha of Venus.> Thus soio-political changes are indispensable. > > Regards,> M. Imran> Karachi> > > SAMVA , "Jorge Angelino" <jorge.angelino@> wrote:> >> > Dear Thor,> > > > It is the Varshaphala chart of Pakistan.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Jorge> > > > > > On 11/5/07, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mr. Imram,> > >> > > I have two related

questions regarding the chart for Pakistan.> > >> > > 1) What is the reason you do not consider the midnight hour on 14> > > August as is customary? I recall on 1 November 2003, you posted a> > > file on SAMVA files section. At that time you wrote:> > >> > > "There has been a long debate on the true birth date of Pakistan.> > > Some suggests mid night 14-Aug-1947, while some opines 15-Aug-1947.> > > For the sake of ease for astrologers and researchers I have compiled> > > following table, to check the validity of happenings in the light of> > > Astrology. There is a list of significant events arranged chronically> > > along with the three levels of Vimshottari Dasa. In my humble> > > opinion, radio announcement on 14 August 1947 at 12:00:01 am, 5:30> > >

East of GMT, Karachi, having niryana ascendant 7:16 is more> > > acceptable."> > >> > > 2) The chart you have now presented gives 8:53 AM and 28° Leo rising.> > > What is the basis of this new time for your chart for Pakistan?. In> > > my records, I have 9:00 AM as the time for the swearing in of the new> > > leader, giving 1°Virgo rising. Is this the same event your time> > > refers to? Why has an earlier time been selected?> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Thor> > >> > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Mr. Imran and list members,> > > >> > > > Thank you for sharing

the information, including the chart for> > > Pervez Musharraf, which I attach in gif file and JTL format for> > > those receiving the email.> > > >> > > > The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the> > > developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.> > > >> > > > 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus is> > > at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is therefore not> > > surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of> > > government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side,> > > undermining his power.> > > >> > > > 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes> > > and L6 Mars, along with transit L4

Saturn, has caused him a great> > > deal of trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7> > > aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his> > > chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer stationary.> > > is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from> > > the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.> > > >> > > > 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has now> > > entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it is> > > still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an> > > increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December,> > > where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak in> > > transit for

Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters> > > Scoprio H1.> > > >> > > > 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving him> > > protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, where> > > it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on> > > 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will move> > > into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his position> > > should thus increase in late November.> > > >> > > > 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As> > > L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP it> > > is the real source of his political power and what makes him a> > > leader.> > >

>> > > > Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the> > > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to> > > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid> > > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and> > > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present> > > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sun> > > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the> > > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with> > > another crisis.> > > >> > > > Finally, I would welcome 's judgement of his> > > chances to remain in power.> > > >> > > >

Best wishes,> > > >> > > > Thor> > > >> > > > "M. Imran" <astroimran@> wrote:> > > > Attached is the astro analysis, I had penned five> > > months before, on the political uncertanity and consequences of> > > judicial crises in Pakistan.> > > >> > > > M. Imran> > > > 03-11-2007> > > > Karachi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >

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