Kundalini Jagran - Shashie Shekhar

November 4, 2007

Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the hypothetical

case given by you itself is also an example of activated kundalini.

the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to liberate

you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam shivam

sundaram " .

So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest enjoying his

life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he must get

spiritual experiences too.

pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical cases,

you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical life, do

experiements there and enjoy the results.

pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening the self,

and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some yogas or

asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along with good

karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more power is

realized.

regards,

Lalit.

, Shashie Shekhar

<polite_astro wrote:

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a person

has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in peaceful

manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness but he

never listens about the so called Kundalini or their jagran.Will he

not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These are depend

on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on Satsang and

God help those who help others and to think for others welfare it is

the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity as i

understand. Thanks for placing your views.

>

> God bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

> litsol <litsol wrote:

> Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini (energy)

is

> there in body otherwise how u r alive.

>

> surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

electrict

> wires.

>

> now what is kundalini awakening ?

>

> as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our

physical

> world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as ur

> kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as a

result,

> ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to

receive

> and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start

realizing

> divine existance in daily worldly life.

>

> your level of free will increases.

>

> you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i asked

> you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's bhakti, I

> wanted to know about ur bhakti.

>

> Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or other

> scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

> awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is a must

> here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a

powerful

> mantra, he may misuse it.

>

> he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra for a

bad

> purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6

chakras,

> unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not ego

nor

> knowledge.

>

> That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or curse,

he

> doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can get a

lesson

> from Amma also.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

, Shashie Shekhar

>

> wrote:

> >

> > ll HARE RAM ll

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > Jai Ram ji ki

> > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read several

> times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they are

in

> slept position even they must be exist in our body in physical

> means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem such

> Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it is

also

> the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are

following

> seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and Ahankar

> that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> >

> > God bless

> > Shashie Shekhar

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> >

> > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > atmosphere when there are many family

> > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > control all family members. Forget family

> > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > swabhava and how many are there like

> > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > can only break this and move ahead after

> > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > small in all respects in front of You .

> > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > and not advising.

> >

> > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > language turns too abusive .

> >

> > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have filtered

> > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> >

> > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this world

> > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> > Siddhas can create that.

> >

> > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > continue living in this world with its shades

> > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> >

> > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > if someone does not understand the language

> > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > doing our homework which is why we were

> > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> >

> > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > right in few years to come, therefore

> > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > you are ready.

> >

> > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > prosperity and affections between the members

> > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > spheres.

> >

> > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > jeevan hai. "

> >

> > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> >

> > Kind regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > >

> > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri

Narasimha

> Rao.

> > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > >

> > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > >

> > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did not

> provide

> > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages, violent

> > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected standards.If

> possible

> > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive criticism

is a

> > > different issue.

> > >

> > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is no

> > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

> contribute and

> > > join the list.

> > >

> > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that there

is

> no

> > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do homework

> before we

> > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can be

> > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he wants --

but

> > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > >

> > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For those who

> want to

> > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For me

> joining

> > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

> understanding

> > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > >

> > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and let live.

> > >

> > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > >

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > >

> > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > >

> > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > >

> > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > >

> > > > Kind regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat

these as

> > doubts

> > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual fire,then

what

> > does the

> > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in shloka

> 36.What is

> > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from where.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to Lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year is

the

> body of

> > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the Horse?I

am

> not

> > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

meditative

> > thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the one

> which can

> > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of any

> eternal

> > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being

> killed.Is it

> > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can

transcend

> > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body of

the

> horse -

> > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > >

> > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left within

> which can

> > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and

smelling

> of what,

> > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night with .Which

> > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is

> mentioned

> > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are

present.

> > > > >

> > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending and

> reaching

> > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels are

> visible

> > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by any

> means.My

> > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my

doubts

> to shri

> > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable splendour

was

> very

> > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a

good

> > scholar

> > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is

> > > insufficient

> > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

> *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To

> understand

> > > the

> > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength

has

> to

> > match

> > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other

> scriptures

> > > (or

> > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a

lot of

> > people

> > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are

> corrupted

> > > due

> > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that

> this

> > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this

> age.

> > It is

> > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and then,

> > correct a

> > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play'

of

> this

> > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is

the

> > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take things very

> > personally

> > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the

> drama, but

> > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If

you

> > > disagree

> > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

> commentators

> > may

> > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with

fire

> as we

> > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the

> ritual

> > > fire

> > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen

> Kausalya

> > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning

with

> a

> > > stable

> > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely,

> > meditated

> > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were

probably

> > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

bird, " susthitena

> ca

> > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse

> as " with a

> > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

> misinterpreted

> > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite

something.

> > If you

> > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate

sitting

> by the

> > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of the

night,

> it

> > is a

> > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the

context

> of the

> > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the

> Balmiki

> > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-

14-

> 34

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

chetasaa=

> with

> > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma,

> desiring ï¿½

> > > for

> > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for

> > results;

> > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly

flew

> away

> > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the

> Divine

> > > Eagle

> > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim

> avasat =

> > > one,

> > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> disconcertedly

> > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird.

[1-

> 14-34]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some

> > students

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to

search

> the

> > said

> > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to

> find the

> > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna

too?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

November 4, 2007

Lalit ji,

> dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated excercise.

Bhasker ji was also speaking about this exersise - could you please

elaborate, so that we will have a better idea.

Vijaya raghavan guruvayur

, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the hypothetical

> case given by you itself is also an example of activated kundalini.

>

> the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to liberate

> you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam shivam

> sundaram " .

>

> So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest enjoying his

> life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he must get

> spiritual experiences too.

>

> pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical cases,

> you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical life, do

> experiements there and enjoy the results.

>

> pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening the self,

> and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some yogas or

> asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along with good

> karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more power is

> realized.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , Shashie Shekhar

> polite_astro@ wrote:

> >

> > ll HARE RAM ll

> > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a person

> has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in peaceful

> manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness but he

> never listens about the so called Kundalini or their jagran.Will he

> not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These are depend

> on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on Satsang and

> God help those who help others and to think for others welfare it is

> the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity as i

> understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> >

> > God bless

> > Shashie Shekhar

> >

> > litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini (energy)

> is

> > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> >

> > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

> electrict

> > wires.

> >

> > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> >

> > as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our

> physical

> > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as ur

> > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as a

> result,

> > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to

> receive

> > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start

> realizing

> > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> >

> > your level of free will increases.

> >

> > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i asked

> > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's bhakti, I

> > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> >

> > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or other

> > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

> > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is a must

> > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a

> powerful

> > mantra, he may misuse it.

> >

> > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra for a

> bad

> > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6

> chakras,

> > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not ego

> nor

> > knowledge.

> >

> > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or curse,

> he

> > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can get a

> lesson

> > from Amma also.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , Shashie Shekhar

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read several

> > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they are

> in

> > slept position even they must be exist in our body in physical

> > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem such

> > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it is

> also

> > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are

> following

> > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and Ahankar

> > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > >

> > > God bless

> > > Shashie Shekhar

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > >

> > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > and not advising.

> > >

> > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > language turns too abusive .

> > >

> > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have filtered

> > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > >

> > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this world

> > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> > > Siddhas can create that.

> > >

> > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > >

> > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > >

> > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > you are ready.

> > >

> > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > spheres.

> > >

> > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > jeevan hai. "

> > >

> > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > >

> > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri

> Narasimha

> > Rao.

> > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > >

> > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > >

> > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did not

> > provide

> > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages, violent

> > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected standards.If

> > possible

> > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive criticism

> is a

> > > > different issue.

> > > >

> > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is no

> > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

> > contribute and

> > > > join the list.

> > > >

> > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that there

> is

> > no

> > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do homework

> > before we

> > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can be

> > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he wants --

> but

> > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > >

> > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For those who

> > want to

> > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For me

> > joining

> > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

> > understanding

> > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > >

> > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and let live.

> > > >

> > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > >

> > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat

> these as

> > > doubts

> > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual fire,then

> what

> > > does the

> > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in shloka

> > 36.What is

> > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from where.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to Lord.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year is

> the

> > body of

> > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the Horse?I

> am

> > not

> > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

> meditative

> > > thoughts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the one

> > which can

> > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of any

> > eternal

> > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being

> > killed.Is it

> > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can

> transcend

> > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body of

> the

> > horse -

> > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left within

> > which can

> > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and

> smelling

> > of what,

> > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night with .Which

> > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is

> > mentioned

> > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are

> present.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending and

> > reaching

> > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels are

> > visible

> > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by any

> > means.My

> > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble thoughts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my

> doubts

> > to shri

> > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable splendour

> was

> > very

> > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a

> good

> > > scholar

> > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is

> > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

> > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To

> > understand

> > > > the

> > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength

> has

> > to

> > > match

> > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other

> > scriptures

> > > > (or

> > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a

> lot of

> > > people

> > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are

> > corrupted

> > > > due

> > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that

> > this

> > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in this

> > age.

> > > It is

> > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and then,

> > > correct a

> > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play'

> of

> > this

> > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is

> the

> > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take things very

> > > personally

> > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the

> > drama, but

> > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If

> you

> > > > disagree

> > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

> > commentators

> > > may

> > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with

> fire

> > as we

> > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where the

> > ritual

> > > > fire

> > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty, Queen

> > Kausalya

> > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning

> with

> > a

> > > > stable

> > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely,

> > > meditated

> > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were

> probably

> > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> bird, " susthitena

> > ca

> > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse

> > as " with a

> > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

> > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place perfectly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite

> something.

> > > If you

> > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate

> sitting

> > by the

> > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of the

> night,

> > it

> > > is a

> > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

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> > ----

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the

> context

> > of the

> > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the

> > Balmiki

> > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-

> 14-

> > 34

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

> chetasaa=

> > with

> > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma,

> > desiring ï¿½

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse, for

> > > results;

> > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly

> flew

> > away

> > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the

> > Divine

> > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim

> > avasat =

> > > > one,

> > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird.

> [1-

> > 14-34]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some

> > > students

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to

> search

> > the

> > > said

> > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to

> > find the

> > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna

> too?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

November 4, 2007

ll HARE RAM ll

Dear Lalit,

Ok,you may be right but the exact name of Kundalini or their jagran is Gyaan

and for getting Gyaan,Bhakti / firm belief is must like Shukdeo Ji,Prahlad and

Dhruva and they got Bhakti even in childhood.Moreover Sukdeo deo ji got it

Bhakti in womb.Plz try to get more experience (MANAN) and leave this topic and

go ahead because self experience is more important in such case as i am

bhajnanandi person,so feel unfit in arguements.

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

litsol <litsol wrote:

Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the hypothetical

case given by you itself is also an example of activated kundalini.

the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to liberate

you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam shivam

sundaram " .

So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest enjoying his

life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he must get

spiritual experiences too.

pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical cases,

you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical life, do

experiements there and enjoy the results.

pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening the self,

and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some yogas or

asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along with good

karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more power is

realized.

regards,

Lalit.

, Shashie Shekhar

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