Kundalini Jagran/PVR/ birth data of an individual

November 5, 2007

Om Datta Guru

Dear PVR,

Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to use his

birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if not i am

sorry for this mail.

If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i have been

working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

May 11, 1979

Time: 0:15:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

Mumbai Sion, India

Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD & lord

Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces is in 12/6

axis. Venus is the AK

In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of AD lord Ven

which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during this

navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in D20 in

kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then working on

Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares. Intuitively I

feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

Regards

SJ

> * * *

>

> If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata. Please send

> the birthdata to pvr (I will soon stop checking this

> and not see mails here). Please indicate whether the data

> is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you can give

> the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the name, please

> indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I can reveal

> it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep everything secret

> and not reveal the name and data both.

>

> I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal the data.

>

> IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th house

> from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in reverse) are

> important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also important.

>

> Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened clients. Once I

> saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a Kundalini

> awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I took a

> chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini awakening in that

> year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week pondering

> on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read vedanta etc

> and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am I? Please

> show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he had a

> death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was leaving

> the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up in his

> back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see certain scenes.

> He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear vision

> where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him somewhere and

> showed some things.

>

> I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing Kundalini.

> But this is an area where we need some data.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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>

> , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> >

> > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the hypothetical

> > case given by you itself is also an example of activated kundalini.

> >

> > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to liberate

> > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam shivam

> > sundaram " .

> >

> > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest enjoying his

> > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he must get

> > spiritual experiences too.

> >

> > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical cases,

> > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical life, do

> > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> >

> > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening the self,

> > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some yogas or

> > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along with good

> > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more power is

> > realized.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , Shashie Shekhar

> > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a person

> > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in peaceful

> > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness but he

> > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their jagran.Will he

> > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These are

> depend

> > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on Satsang and

> > God help those who help others and to think for others welfare it

> is

> > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity as i

> > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > >

> > > God bless

> > > Shashie Shekhar

> > >

> > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini

> (energy)

> > is

> > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > >

> > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

> > electrict

> > > wires.

> > >

> > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > >

> > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our

> > physical

> > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as ur

> > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as a

> > result,

> > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to

> > receive

> > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start

> > realizing

> > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > >

> > > your level of free will increases.

> > >

> > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i

> asked

> > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's bhakti,

> I

> > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > >

> > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or other

> > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

> > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is a must

> > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a

> > powerful

> > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > >

> > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra for a

> > bad

> > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6

> > chakras,

> > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not ego

> > nor

> > > knowledge.

> > >

> > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or curse,

> > he

> > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can get a

> > lesson

> > > from Amma also.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read

> several

> > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they are

> > in

> > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in physical

> > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem such

> > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it is

> > also

> > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are

> > following

> > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and

> Ahankar

> > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > >

> > > > God bless

> > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > >

> > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > and not advising.

> > > >

> > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > >

> > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have filtered

> > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > >

> > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this world

> > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > >

> > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > >

> > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > you are ready.

> > > >

> > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > spheres.

> > > >

> > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > >

> > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > >

> > > > Kind regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri

> > Narasimha

> > > Rao.

> > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did not

> > > provide

> > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages, violent

> > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected standards.If

> > > possible

> > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive criticism

> > is a

> > > > > different issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is no

> > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

> > > contribute and

> > > > > join the list.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that

> there

> > is

> > > no

> > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do homework

> > > before we

> > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can be

> > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he wants --

> > but

> > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For those

> who

> > > want to

> > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For me

> > > joining

> > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

> > > understanding

> > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and let

> live.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat

> > these as

> > > > doubts

> > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual fire,then

> > what

> > > > does the

> > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in shloka

> > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from

> where.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to Lord.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year is

> > the

> > > body of

> > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the Horse?

> I

> > am

> > > not

> > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

> > meditative

> > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the

> one

> > > which can

> > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of any

> > > eternal

> > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being

> > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can

> > transcend

> > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body of

> > the

> > > horse -

> > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left within

> > > which can

> > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and

> > smelling

> > > of what,

> > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night with .Which

> > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are

> > present.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending and

> > > reaching

> > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels are

> > > visible

> > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by

> any

> > > means.My

> > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble thoughts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my

> > doubts

> > > to shri

> > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable splendour

> > was

> > > very

> > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I am a

> > good

> > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that scholarship is

> > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

> > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings. To

> > > understand

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain wavelength

> > has

> > > to

> > > > match

> > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine blessings.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and other

> > > scriptures

> > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram), a

> > lot of

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them are

> > > corrupted

> > > > > due

> > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish that

> > > this

> > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in

> this

> > > age.

> > > > It is

> > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and then,

> > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen play'

> > of

> > > this

> > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that She is

> > the

> > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take things very

> > > > personally

> > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in the

> > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my interpretation. If

> > you

> > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

> > > commentators

> > > > may

> > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go with

> > fire

> > > as we

> > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where

> the

> > > ritual

> > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word interpretation:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty,

> Queen

> > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was burning

> > with

> > > a

> > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more likely,

> > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were

> > probably

> > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > bird, " susthitena

> > > ca

> > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead horse

> > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

> > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> perfectly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite

> > something.

> > > > If you

> > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate

> > sitting

> > > by the

> > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of the

> > night,

> > > it

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

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> > > ----

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the

> > context

> > > of the

> > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to the

> > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa || 1-

> > 14-

> > > 34

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

> > chetasaa=

> > > with

> > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma,

> > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with horse,

> for

> > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that swiftly

> > flew

> > > away

> > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with the

> > > Divine

> > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam rajaniim

> > > avasat =

> > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a bird.

> > [1-

> > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and some

> > > > students

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to

> > search

> > > the

> > > > said

> > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could succeed to

> > > find the

> > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other Ramayna

> > too?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

November 5, 2007

Dear Sunil John,

I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini awakening

experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to discover

various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman, going

beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent planets can

indicate it but cant tell u much.

regards,

Lalit.

, " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear PVR,

> Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to use his

> birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if not i

am

> sorry for this mail.

>

> If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i have

been

> working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

>

> May 11, 1979

> Time: 0:15:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> Mumbai Sion, India

>

> Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

>

> Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD & lord

> Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces is in

12/6

> axis. Venus is the AK

>

> In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of AD

lord Ven

> which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during this

> navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

>

> My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in D20 in

> kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then working

on

> Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

Intuitively I

> feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

>

> Regards

> SJ

>

> * * *

> >

> > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata. Please

send

> > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > and not see mails here). Please indicate whether the

data

> > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you can give

> > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the name,

please

> > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I can

reveal

> > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep everything

secret

> > and not reveal the name and data both.

> >

> > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal the data.

> >

> > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th house

> > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in reverse) are

> > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also important.

> >

> > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened clients.

Once I

> > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a

Kundalini

> > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I took a

> > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini awakening in

that

> > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week

pondering

> > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read vedanta

etc

> > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am I?

Please

> > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he had a

> > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was leaving

> > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up in his

> > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see certain

scenes.

> > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear vision

> > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him somewhere

and

> > showed some things.

> >

> > I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing

Kundalini.

> > But this is an area where we need some data.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------------

> > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > -------------------------------

> >

> > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

hypothetical

> > > case given by you itself is also an example of activated

kundalini.

> > >

> > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to

liberate

> > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam shivam

> > > sundaram " .

> > >

> > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest enjoying his

> > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he must

get

> > > spiritual experiences too.

> > >

> > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical

cases,

> > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical life,

do

> > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > >

> > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening the

self,

> > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some yogas

or

> > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along with

good

> > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more power is

> > > realized.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a

person

> > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in

peaceful

> > > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness but he

> > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

jagran.Will he

> > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These are

> > depend

> > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on Satsang

and

> > > God help those who help others and to think for others welfare

it

> > is

> > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity as i

> > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > >

> > > > God bless

> > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > >

> > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini

> > (energy)

> > > is

> > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > >

> > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

> > > electrict

> > > > wires.

> > > >

> > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > >

> > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our

> > > physical

> > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as ur

> > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as a

> > > result,

> > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to

> > > receive

> > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start

> > > realizing

> > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > >

> > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > >

> > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i

> > asked

> > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's

bhakti,

> > I

> > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > >

> > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or other

> > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

> > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is a

must

> > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a

> > > powerful

> > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > >

> > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra

for a

> > > bad

> > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6

> > > chakras,

> > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not

ego

> > > nor

> > > > knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or

curse,

> > > he

> > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can get a

> > > lesson

> > > > from Amma also.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read

> > several

> > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they

are

> > > in

> > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in physical

> > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem such

> > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it is

> > > also

> > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are

> > > following

> > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and

> > Ahankar

> > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > >

> > > > > God bless

> > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > >

> > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > and not advising.

> > > > >

> > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have

filtered

> > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this

world

> > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > >

> > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > >

> > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > you are ready.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > spheres.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > >

> > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri

> > > Narasimha

> > > > Rao.

> > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did

not

> > > > provide

> > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages,

violent

> > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

standards.If

> > > > possible

> > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive

criticism

> > > is a

> > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is no

> > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

> > > > contribute and

> > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that

> > there

> > > is

> > > > no

> > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do

homework

> > > > before we

> > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can be

> > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he

wants --

> > > but

> > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For those

> > who

> > > > want to

> > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For

me

> > > > joining

> > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and let

> > live.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat

> > > these as

> > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual

fire,then

> > > what

> > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in

shloka

> > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from

> > where.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to

Lord.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year

is

> > > the

> > > > body of

> > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the

Horse?

> > I

> > > am

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

> > > meditative

> > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the

> > one

> > > > which can

> > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of

any

> > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being

> > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can

> > > transcend

> > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body

of

> > > the

> > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left

within

> > > > which can

> > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and

> > > smelling

> > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night

with .Which

> > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are

> > > present.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending

and

> > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels

are

> > > > visible

> > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by

> > any

> > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble

thoughts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my

> > > doubts

> > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable

splendour

> > > was

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I

am a

> > > good

> > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

scholarship is

> > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

> > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings.

To

> > > > understand

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain

wavelength

> > > has

> > > > to

> > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine

blessings.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and

other

> > > > scriptures

> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram),

a

> > > lot of

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them

are

> > > > corrupted

> > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish

that

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in

> > this

> > > > age.

> > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and

then,

> > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen

play'

> > > of

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that

She is

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take things

very

> > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in

the

> > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

interpretation. If

> > > you

> > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

> > > > commentators

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go

with

> > > fire

> > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where

> > the

> > > > ritual

> > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

interpretation:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty,

> > Queen

> > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was

burning

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more

likely,

> > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were

> > > probably

> > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead

horse

> > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

> > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite

> > > something.

> > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate

> > > sitting

> > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of the

> > > night,

> > > > it

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > -------------------

----

> > -

> > > ---

> > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > Spirituality: vedic-

wisdom

> > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > -------------------

----

> > -

> > > ---

> > > > ----

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the

> > > context

> > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to

the

> > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa

|| 1-

> > > 14-

> > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

> > > chetasaa=

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma,

> > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with

horse,

> > for

> > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that

swiftly

> > > flew

> > > > away

> > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with

the

> > > > Divine

> > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam

rajaniim

> > > > avasat =

> > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a

bird.

> > > [1-

> > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , Shashie

Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and

some

> > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to

> > > search

> > > > the

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could

succeed to

> > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other

Ramayna

> > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

November 5, 2007

Dear Lalitji,

Astrology is fully equipped to judge anything,

but astrologers are not.

People cant read Vimsamsa properly, trying

to judge Kundali awakenings in charts would be

a far fetched order.

When a person is going to really turn spiritual in

his Life, the astrologers cannot point out.

Whether a person is going to turn to spiritualism

and leave his home at " amuk " age, no astrologer can

forecast. This type of talking is normally done

on postmartem charts, where they pick up charts

on people who are already known to be spiritual and

their Life history is known to all, then the rules

are fitted to be shown in accordance with the persons

Life events.

But talking about forecasting such matters one

would receive zero response. In 99% of the charts

given out of 100, to a astrologer, it would be

difficult for people to predict whether this native

is spiritual or not.

The people who have awakened Kundalis , the base

would certainly be present in the chart, but to

know the process of attainment (Without knowing the

native and no access to his history), one would

not be able to predict the same.

It would be diffcicult to get more than 3 charts

of awakened Kundalis, and authenticity depends on

the source of acquittal.

Where sources are not solid, many question marks would

pertain all the way round, in ones study.

One more matter. Those who turn saints ( Here

I am using this term for awakened persons), they

also must be having some past, just like every robber

has a future.So all the more difficult for a person

not knowing the Kundali owner - to predict.

Also those who attain awakening go beyond the minus

points of their charts, and the charts have no no more

use or of any meaning,to be looked

into, for it may not reveal.if a person has through his

sheer will power, and strength of efforts, able to

create a strong spiritual power, the Horoscope

ceases to be, for such persons.

But for astrologers who are also Spiritual , like

Narsimharaoji, maybe the revealing would come through

intuition if not through the configurations

present , in the chart.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil John,

>

> I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini awakening

> experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to discover

> various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

>

> kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman, going

> beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent planets can

> indicate it but cant tell u much.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " suniljohn_2002 "

> <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear PVR,

> > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to use his

> > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if not i

> am

> > sorry for this mail.

> >

> > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i have

> been

> > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> >

> > May 11, 1979

> > Time: 0:15:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > Mumbai Sion, India

> >

> > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> >

> > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD & lord

> > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces is in

> 12/6

> > axis. Venus is the AK

> >

> > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of AD

> lord Ven

> > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during this

> > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> >

> > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in D20 in

> > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then working

> on

> > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> Intuitively I

> > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> >

> > Regards

> > SJ

> >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata. Please

> send

> > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > and not see mails here). Please indicate whether the

> data

> > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you can give

> > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the name,

> please

> > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I can

> reveal

> > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep everything

> secret

> > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > >

> > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal the data.

> > >

> > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th house

> > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in reverse) are

> > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also important.

> > >

> > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened clients.

> Once I

> > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a

> Kundalini

> > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I took a

> > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini awakening in

> that

> > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week

> pondering

> > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read vedanta

> etc

> > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am I?

> Please

> > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he had a

> > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was leaving

> > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up in his

> > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see certain

> scenes.

> > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear vision

> > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him somewhere

> and

> > > showed some things.

> > >

> > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing

> Kundalini.

> > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

> > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> hypothetical

> > > > case given by you itself is also an example of activated

> kundalini.

> > > >

> > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to

> liberate

> > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam shivam

> > > > sundaram " .

> > > >

> > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest enjoying his

> > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he must

> get

> > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > >

> > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical

> cases,

> > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical life,

> do

> > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > >

> > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening the

> self,

> > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some yogas

> or

> > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along with

> good

> > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more power is

> > > > realized.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a

> person

> > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in

> peaceful

> > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness but he

> > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> jagran.Will he

> > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These are

> > > depend

> > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on Satsang

> and

> > > > God help those who help others and to think for others welfare

> it

> > > is

> > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity as i

> > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > >

> > > > > God bless

> > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini

> > > (energy)

> > > > is

> > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > >

> > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

> > > > electrict

> > > > > wires.

> > > > >

> > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > >

> > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our

> > > > physical

> > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as ur

> > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as a

> > > > result,

> > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to

> > > > receive

> > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start

> > > > realizing

> > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > >

> > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > >

> > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i

> > > asked

> > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's

> bhakti,

> > > I

> > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > >

> > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or other

> > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

> > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is a

> must

> > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a

> > > > powerful

> > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > >

> > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra

> for a

> > > > bad

> > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6

> > > > chakras,

> > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not

> ego

> > > > nor

> > > > > knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or

> curse,

> > > > he

> > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can get a

> > > > lesson

> > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read

> > > several

> > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they

> are

> > > > in

> > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in physical

> > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem such

> > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it is

> > > > also

> > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are

> > > > following

> > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and

> > > Ahankar

> > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have

> filtered

> > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this

> world

> > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did

> not

> > > > > provide

> > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages,

> violent

> > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> standards.If

> > > > > possible

> > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive

> criticism

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is no

> > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

> > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that

> > > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do

> homework

> > > > > before we

> > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can be

> > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he

> wants --

> > > > but

> > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For those

> > > who

> > > > > want to

> > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For

> me

> > > > > joining

> > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

> > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and let

> > > live.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls treat

> > > > these as

> > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual

> fire,then

> > > > what

> > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in

> shloka

> > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from

> > > where.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to

> Lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that Year

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the

> Horse?

> > > I

> > > > am

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

> > > > meditative

> > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or the

> > > one

> > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think of

> any

> > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is being

> > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can

> > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body

> of

> > > > the

> > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left

> within

> > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and

> > > > smelling

> > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night

> with .Which

> > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni is

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests are

> > > > present.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending

> and

> > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels

> are

> > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful by

> > > any

> > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble

> thoughts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my

> > > > doubts

> > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable

> splendour

> > > > was

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I

> am a

> > > > good

> > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> scholarship is

> > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

> > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings.

> To

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain

> wavelength

> > > > has

> > > > > to

> > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine

> blessings.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and

> other

> > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini Sutram),

> a

> > > > lot of

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them

> are

> > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish

> that

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way in

> > > this

> > > > > age.

> > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and

> then,

> > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen

> play'

> > > > of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that

> She is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take things

> very

> > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in

> the

> > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> interpretation. If

> > > > you

> > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

> > > > > commentators

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go

> with

> > > > fire

> > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here where

> > > the

> > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty,

> > > Queen

> > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was

> burning

> > > > with

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more

> likely,

> > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were

> > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead

> horse

> > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

> > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite

> > > > something.

> > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate

> > > > sitting

> > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of the

> > > > night,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > -------------------

> ----

> > > -

> > > > ---

> > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: vedic-

> wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > > -------------------

> ----

> > > -

> > > > ---

> > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the

> > > > context

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link to

> the

> > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |

> > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa

> || 1-

> > > > 14-

> > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

> > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa= dharma,

> > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with

> horse,

> > > for

> > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that

> swiftly

> > > > flew

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated with

> the

> > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam

> rajaniim

> > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew away.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a

> bird.

> > > > [1-

> > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , Shashie

> Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana and

> some

> > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to

> > > > search

> > > > > the

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could

> succeed to

> > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other

> Ramayna

> > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

November 5, 2007

Om Datta Guru

Dear All,

The chart that i had posted was of the 'Start Date' of the process & not

a date of 'Fully realised' hence i had written Jagran Start Date in the

note in that mail.

I wonder if anyone who is fully realised will ever tell he is realised,

the very act of telling that can at times mean such a sadhak is not

realised.

Bhaskar

> But talking about forecasting such matters one

> would receive zero response. In 99% of the charts

> given out of 100, to a astrologer, it would be

> difficult for people to predict whether this native

> is spiritual or not.

I agree with u here

This type of talking is normally done

> on postmartem charts, where they pick up charts

> on people who are already known to be spiritual and

> their Life history is known to all, then the rules

> are fitted to be shown in accordance with the persons

> Life events.

SJ: u are right its mostly post mortem, but the fun & bliss of astrology

is taking 20 charts and trying to find the patterns. I was happy to read

my own observation on just 2 charts fitting with what PVR wrote and

thats satisfying.

Coming to spirituality & judging others, i wanted to write in response

to Lalit's mail to me that if there is an astrologer a real one he

would never judge others spirituality/experiences and judging others is

not the objective of jyotish. Some see God while having sex, for

talibanists of astrology this is blasphemy. Spirituality is a personal

topic and private, not meant for public forum discussions anyways

otherwise one gets labelled as a Showoff unfortunately.

On his other point, to know what astrology is capable of and not it

takes decades or lifetimes to understand its capability.

In Sreenadhs list he ridiculed when i mentioned that name of person &

his relatives, the company he would work can be predicted through

astrology. He went on his famous immature bull run trying to ridicule

it. 2 months later a prediction made on a member of his list (of the

starting akshara of the company he would work ) for made Sreenadh bite

his own words & come running asking for the technique. Only when we

learn enough of astrology we realise how little we know and how much we

do not know the capability of astrology, this advanced stage makes us

humble, when it creates ego it only means the person has not understood

what astrology is - this is simple and crystal clear. Such an astrologer

will never make judgements or pass views of what is the capability of

astrology etc etc

best

SJ

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Lalitji,

>

> Astrology is fully equipped to judge anything,

> but astrologers are not.

> People cant read Vimsamsa properly, trying

> to judge Kundali awakenings in charts would be

> a far fetched order.

> When a person is going to really turn spiritual in

> his Life, the astrologers cannot point out.

> Whether a person is going to turn to spiritualism

> and leave his home at " amuk " age, no astrologer can

> forecast. This type of talking is normally done

> on postmartem charts, where they pick up charts

> on people who are already known to be spiritual and

> their Life history is known to all, then the rules

> are fitted to be shown in accordance with the persons

> Life events.

>

> But talking about forecasting such matters one

> would receive zero response. In 99% of the charts

> given out of 100, to a astrologer, it would be

> difficult for people to predict whether this native

> is spiritual or not.

>

> The people who have awakened Kundalis , the base

> would certainly be present in the chart, but to

> know the process of attainment (Without knowing the

> native and no access to his history), one would

> not be able to predict the same.

>

> It would be diffcicult to get more than 3 charts

> of awakened Kundalis, and authenticity depends on

> the source of acquittal.

>

> Where sources are not solid, many question marks would

> pertain all the way round, in ones study.

>

> One more matter. Those who turn saints ( Here

> I am using this term for awakened persons), they

> also must be having some past, just like every robber

> has a future.So all the more difficult for a person

> not knowing the Kundali owner - to predict.

>

> Also those who attain awakening go beyond the minus

> points of their charts, and the charts have no no more

> use or of any meaning,to be looked

> into, for it may not reveal.if a person has through his

> sheer will power, and strength of efforts, able to

> create a strong spiritual power, the Horoscope

> ceases to be, for such persons.

>

> But for astrologers who are also Spiritual , like

> Narsimharaoji, maybe the revealing would come through

> intuition if not through the configurations

> present , in the chart.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil John,

> >

> > I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini

awakening

> > experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to

discover

> > various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

> >

> > kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman, going

> > beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent planets can

> > indicate it but cant tell u much.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear PVR,

> > > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to use

his

> > > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if not

i

> > am

> > > sorry for this mail.

> > >

> > > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i have

> > been

> > > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> > >

> > > May 11, 1979

> > > Time: 0:15:00

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > > Mumbai Sion, India

> > >

> > > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> > >

> > > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD &

lord

> > > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces is in

> > 12/6

> > > axis. Venus is the AK

> > >

> > > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of AD

> > lord Ven

> > > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during this

> > > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> > >

> > > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in D20 in

> > > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then

working

> > on

> > > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> > Intuitively I

> > > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > SJ

> > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> > > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata. Please

> > send

> > > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > > and not see mails here). Please indicate whether the

> > data

> > > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you can

give

> > > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the name,

> > please

> > > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I can

> > reveal

> > > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep everything

> > secret

> > > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > > >

> > > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal the

data.

> > > >

> > > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th

house

> > > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in reverse)

are

> > > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

important.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened clients.

> > Once I

> > > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a

> > Kundalini

> > > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I took

a

> > > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini awakening in

> > that

> > > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week

> > pondering

> > > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read

vedanta

> > etc

> > > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am I?

> > Please

> > > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he had a

> > > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was

leaving

> > > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up in

his

> > > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see certain

> > scenes.

> > > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear vision

> > > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him somewhere

> > and

> > > > showed some things.

> > > >

> > > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing

> > Kundalini.

> > > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------------

> > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > -------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> > hypothetical

> > > > > case given by you itself is also an example of activated

> > kundalini.

> > > > >

> > > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to

> > liberate

> > > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam

shivam

> > > > > sundaram " .

> > > > >

> > > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest enjoying

his

> > > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he must

> > get

> > > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > > >

> > > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical

> > cases,

> > > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical

life,

> > do

> > > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > > >

> > > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening the

> > self,

> > > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some

yogas

> > or

> > > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along with

> > good

> > > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more power

is

> > > > > realized.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a

> > person

> > > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in

> > peaceful

> > > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness but

he

> > > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> > jagran.Will he

> > > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These are

> > > > depend

> > > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on Satsang

> > and

> > > > > God help those who help others and to think for others welfare

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity as

i

> > > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini

> > > > (energy)

> > > > > is

> > > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

> > > > > electrict

> > > > > > wires.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our

> > > > > physical

> > > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as

ur

> > > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as

a

> > > > > result,

> > > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to

> > > > > receive

> > > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start

> > > > > realizing

> > > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i

> > > > asked

> > > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's

> > bhakti,

> > > > I

> > > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or

other

> > > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

> > > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is a

> > must

> > > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a

> > > > > powerful

> > > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra

> > for a

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6

> > > > > chakras,

> > > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not

> > ego

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or

> > curse,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can get

a

> > > > > lesson

> > > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read

> > > > several

> > > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they

> > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in

physical

> > > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem

such

> > > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it

is

> > > > > also

> > > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are

> > > > > following

> > > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and

> > > > Ahankar

> > > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> > > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have

> > filtered

> > > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this

> > world

> > > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> > > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did

> > not

> > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages,

> > violent

> > > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> > standards.If

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive

> > criticism

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is

no

> > > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

> > > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that

> > > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do

> > homework

> > > > > > before we

> > > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can

be

> > > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he

> > wants --

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For

those

> > > > who

> > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For

> > me

> > > > > > joining

> > > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

> > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and

let

> > > > live.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

" vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls

treat

> > > > > these as

> > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual

> > fire,then

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in

> > shloka

> > > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from

> > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to

> > Lord.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that

Year

> > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the

> > Horse?

> > > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

> > > > > meditative

> > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or

the

> > > > one

> > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think

of

> > any

> > > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is

being

> > > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can

> > > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body

> > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left

> > within

> > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and

> > > > > smelling

> > > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night

> > with .Which

> > > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni

is

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests

are

> > > > > present.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending

> > and

> > > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels

> > are

> > > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful

by

> > > > any

> > > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble

> > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my

> > > > > doubts

> > > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable

> > splendour

> > > > > was

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I

> > am a

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> > scholarship is

> > > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

> > > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings.

> > To

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain

> > wavelength

> > > > > has

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine

> > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and

> > other

> > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini

Sutram),

> > a

> > > > > lot of

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them

> > are

> > > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish

> > that

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way

in

> > > > this

> > > > > > age.

> > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and

> > then,

> > > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen

> > play'

> > > > > of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that

> > She is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take

things

> > very

> > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in

> > the

> > > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> > interpretation. If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

> > > > > > commentators

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go

> > with

> > > > > fire

> > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here

where

> > > > the

> > > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> > interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty,

> > > > Queen

> > > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was

> > burning

> > > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more

> > likely,

> > > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were

> > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead

> > horse

> > > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

> > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> > > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite

> > > > > something.

> > > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate

> > > > > sitting

> > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of

the

> > > > > night,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > >

-------------------

> > ----

> > > > -

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: vedic-

> > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > > >

-------------------

> > ----

> > > > -

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the

> > > > > context

> > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link

to

> > the

> > > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa

|

> > > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa

> > || 1-

> > > > > 14-

> > > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

> > > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa=

dharma,

> > > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with

> > horse,

> > > > for

> > > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that

> > swiftly

> > > > > flew

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated

with

> > the

> > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam

> > rajaniim

> > > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew

away.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> > > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a

> > bird.

> > > > > [1-

> > > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , Shashie

> > Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana

and

> > some

> > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to

> > > > > search

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could

> > succeed to

> > > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other

> > Ramayna

> > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

November 5, 2007

Dear Sunil John,

Exactly . No one would say that He is realised,

because the moment he says this, he ceases to

be one realised.

I agree to all what You have mentioned in Your

mail. Also the punchline, that spirituality is

a personal matter and I would add that " Spirituality "

is a relative term. For instance, One person may be

Non Veg. but yet more spiritual than most of us

Vegetarians. He may kiss a women in public, yet be

better morally than most of us, who kiss behind

closed doors. Why ? Because, he was born in

a foreign country where this may be a way of Life.

Any person who comes up from the circumstances

he was born in,progressively,is Spiritual.

I would add something here which may not be

astrological, but Hot for the talibanists.

A person while having sex, if he remembers

and recites the Gods name mentally and thanks

him for the pleasure recieved so(Those Mantras

which are not carrying any pre-requisites or

conditions, for instance the Shodash akshara

Mahamantra)is actually able to sustain the act

4 times prolonged than what normally

he is capable of. This is one of the hidden

unknown secrest to common men, but in this

case the person has otherwise too,to remember the

Lords name most of the day, to enable him

to remember on aforesaid moments, and the

primary cause would not be to prolong, but to thank

and offer all pleasures to God, as coming from Him.

In Pooja while worship if mood comes, a person

singing Film songs may also be called as spiritual, if he

devotes those songs to His Lord. Of course the

songs he sings for the Lord, have to be chosen carefully

and should be addressed to Him, and not

contain cheap words.

It is like when you buy a cow, the Milk comes free,

thus the prolongation comes free with remembearance

and thanks, which rememberance and thanks also has to be

done million of times during the week, before

eating food, when getting up in morning, when acquiring

good business, money,wealth, going to a movie and

enjoying, or enjoying company of friends etc. This has

to become part of life.

Anyway sorry I am speaking something which

many may not like, and not understand at this point,

or may not understand at all. This is a part of

Tantra.As I mentioned in my previous

mail I never talk without having experienced myself,

or not having known, or not having heard directly

from a venerated person.

One never knows when a bad man may turn a saint

like angulimala, or a King may turn to ascetism,

like Prince Yashodhan (In this case of course the

astrologers had already warned the King,his Father).

Or a householder like Swami Prabhupada may leave

his home and create a great institution like ISCKON.

These are the points of change which a smart

astrologer into research, may look for and point

out with his expertise.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear All,

> The chart that i had posted was of the 'Start Date' of the process & not

> a date of 'Fully realised' hence i had written Jagran Start Date in the

> note in that mail.

>

> I wonder if anyone who is fully realised will ever tell he is realised,

> the very act of telling that can at times mean such a sadhak is not

> realised.

>

> Bhaskar

> > But talking about forecasting such matters one

> > would receive zero response. In 99% of the charts

> > given out of 100, to a astrologer, it would be

> > difficult for people to predict whether this native

> > is spiritual or not.

> I agree with u here

>

> This type of talking is normally done

> > on postmartem charts, where they pick up charts

> > on people who are already known to be spiritual and

> > their Life history is known to all, then the rules

> > are fitted to be shown in accordance with the persons

> > Life events.

> SJ: u are right its mostly post mortem, but the fun & bliss of astrology

> is taking 20 charts and trying to find the patterns. I was happy to read

> my own observation on just 2 charts fitting with what PVR wrote and

> thats satisfying.

>

> Coming to spirituality & judging others, i wanted to write in response

> to Lalit's mail to me that if there is an astrologer a real one he

> would never judge others spirituality/experiences and judging others is

> not the objective of jyotish. Some see God while having sex, for

> talibanists of astrology this is blasphemy. Spirituality is a personal

> topic and private, not meant for public forum discussions anyways

> otherwise one gets labelled as a Showoff unfortunately.

>

> On his other point, to know what astrology is capable of and not it

> takes decades or lifetimes to understand its capability.

>

> In Sreenadhs list he ridiculed when i mentioned that name of person &

> his relatives, the company he would work can be predicted through

> astrology. He went on his famous immature bull run trying to ridicule

> it. 2 months later a prediction made on a member of his list (of the

> starting akshara of the company he would work ) for made Sreenadh bite

> his own words & come running asking for the technique. Only when we

> learn enough of astrology we realise how little we know and how much we

> do not know the capability of astrology, this advanced stage makes us

> humble, when it creates ego it only means the person has not understood

> what astrology is - this is simple and crystal clear. Such an astrologer

> will never make judgements or pass views of what is the capability of

> astrology etc etc

>

> best

> SJ

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalitji,

> >

> > Astrology is fully equipped to judge anything,

> > but astrologers are not.

> > People cant read Vimsamsa properly, trying

> > to judge Kundali awakenings in charts would be

> > a far fetched order.

> > When a person is going to really turn spiritual in

> > his Life, the astrologers cannot point out.

> > Whether a person is going to turn to spiritualism

> > and leave his home at " amuk " age, no astrologer can

> > forecast. This type of talking is normally done

> > on postmartem charts, where they pick up charts

> > on people who are already known to be spiritual and

> > their Life history is known to all, then the rules

> > are fitted to be shown in accordance with the persons

> > Life events.

> >

> > But talking about forecasting such matters one

> > would receive zero response. In 99% of the charts

> > given out of 100, to a astrologer, it would be

> > difficult for people to predict whether this native

> > is spiritual or not.

> >

> > The people who have awakened Kundalis , the base

> > would certainly be present in the chart, but to

> > know the process of attainment (Without knowing the

> > native and no access to his history), one would

> > not be able to predict the same.

> >

> > It would be diffcicult to get more than 3 charts

> > of awakened Kundalis, and authenticity depends on

> > the source of acquittal.

> >

> > Where sources are not solid, many question marks would

> > pertain all the way round, in ones study.

> >

> > One more matter. Those who turn saints ( Here

> > I am using this term for awakened persons), they

> > also must be having some past, just like every robber

> > has a future.So all the more difficult for a person

> > not knowing the Kundali owner - to predict.

> >

> > Also those who attain awakening go beyond the minus

> > points of their charts, and the charts have no no more

> > use or of any meaning,to be looked

> > into, for it may not reveal.if a person has through his

> > sheer will power, and strength of efforts, able to

> > create a strong spiritual power, the Horoscope

> > ceases to be, for such persons.

> >

> > But for astrologers who are also Spiritual , like

> > Narsimharaoji, maybe the revealing would come through

> > intuition if not through the configurations

> > present , in the chart.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil John,

> > >

> > > I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini

> awakening

> > > experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to

> discover

> > > various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

> > >

> > > kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman, going

> > > beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent planets can

> > > indicate it but cant tell u much.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear PVR,

> > > > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to use

> his

> > > > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if not

> i

> > > am

> > > > sorry for this mail.

> > > >

> > > > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i have

> > > been

> > > > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> > > >

> > > > May 11, 1979

> > > > Time: 0:15:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > > > Mumbai Sion, India

> > > >

> > > > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> > > >

> > > > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD &

> lord

> > > > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces is in

> > > 12/6

> > > > axis. Venus is the AK

> > > >

> > > > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of AD

> > > lord Ven

> > > > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during this

> > > > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> > > >

> > > > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in D20 in

> > > > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then

> working

> > > on

> > > > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> > > Intuitively I

> > > > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> > > > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata. Please

> > > send

> > > > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > > > and not see mails here). Please indicate whether the

> > > data

> > > > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you can

> give

> > > > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the name,

> > > please

> > > > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I can

> > > reveal

> > > > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep everything

> > > secret

> > > > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal the

> data.

> > > > >

> > > > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th

> house

> > > > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in reverse)

> are

> > > > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

> important.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened clients.

> > > Once I

> > > > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I took

> a

> > > > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini awakening in

> > > that

> > > > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week

> > > pondering

> > > > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read

> vedanta

> > > etc

> > > > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am I?

> > > Please

> > > > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he had a

> > > > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was

> leaving

> > > > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up in

> his

> > > > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see certain

> > > scenes.

> > > > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear vision

> > > > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him somewhere

> > > and

> > > > > showed some things.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing

> > > Kundalini.

> > > > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > -------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> > > hypothetical

> > > > > > case given by you itself is also an example of activated

> > > kundalini.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to

> > > liberate

> > > > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam

> shivam

> > > > > > sundaram " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest enjoying

> his

> > > > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he must

> > > get

> > > > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical

> > > cases,

> > > > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical

> life,

> > > do

> > > > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening the

> > > self,

> > > > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some

> yogas

> > > or

> > > > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along with

> > > good

> > > > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more power

> is

> > > > > > realized.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a

> > > person

> > > > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in

> > > peaceful

> > > > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness but

> he

> > > > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> > > jagran.Will he

> > > > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These are

> > > > > depend

> > > > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on Satsang

> > > and

> > > > > > God help those who help others and to think for others welfare

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity as

> i

> > > > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini

> > > > > (energy)

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

> > > > > > electrict

> > > > > > > wires.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our

> > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as

> ur

> > > > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as

> a

> > > > > > result,

> > > > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to

> > > > > > receive

> > > > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start

> > > > > > realizing

> > > > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i

> > > > > asked

> > > > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's

> > > bhakti,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or

> other

> > > > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

> > > > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is a

> > > must

> > > > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a

> > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra

> > > for a

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6

> > > > > > chakras,

> > > > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not

> > > ego

> > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or

> > > curse,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can get

> a

> > > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read

> > > > > several

> > > > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if they

> > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in

> physical

> > > > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem

> such

> > > > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it

> is

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and

> > > > > Ahankar

> > > > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> > > > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > > > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have

> > > filtered

> > > > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > > > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this

> > > world

> > > > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> > > > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > > > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group did

> > > not

> > > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages,

> > > violent

> > > > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> > > standards.If

> > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive

> > > criticism

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is

> no

> > > > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

> > > > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do

> > > homework

> > > > > > > before we

> > > > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can

> be

> > > > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he

> > > wants --

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For

> those

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they can.For

> > > me

> > > > > > > joining

> > > > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

> > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and

> let

> > > > > live.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls

> treat

> > > > > > these as

> > > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual

> > > fire,then

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in

> > > shloka

> > > > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from

> > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers to

> > > Lord.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that

> Year

> > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the

> > > Horse?

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

> > > > > > meditative

> > > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or

> the

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think

> of

> > > any

> > > > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is

> being

> > > > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can

> > > > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the body

> > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left

> > > within

> > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and

> > > > > > smelling

> > > > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night

> > > with .Which

> > > > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni

> is

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests

> are

> > > > > > present.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is transcending

> > > and

> > > > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both levels

> > > are

> > > > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful

> by

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble

> > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my

> > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable

> > > splendour

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I

> > > am a

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> > > scholarship is

> > > > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

> > > > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several meanings.

> > > To

> > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain

> > > wavelength

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine

> > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and

> > > other

> > > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini

> Sutram),

> > > a

> > > > > > lot of

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of them

> > > are

> > > > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her wish

> > > that

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way

> in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > age.

> > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now and

> > > then,

> > > > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen

> > > play'

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that

> > > She is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take

> things

> > > very

> > > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles in

> > > the

> > > > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> > > interpretation. If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

> > > > > > > commentators

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go

> > > with

> > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here

> where

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> > > interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty,

> > > > > Queen

> > > > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was

> > > burning

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more

> > > likely,

> > > > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were

> > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead

> > > horse

> > > > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

> > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> > > > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite

> > > > > > something.

> > > > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate

> > > > > > sitting

> > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of

> the

> > > > > > night,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> -------------------

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> > > > > > > > > > > >

> -------------------

> > > ----

> > > > > -

> > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the

> > > > > > context

> > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa

> |

> > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa

> > > || 1-

> > > > > > 14-

> > > > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

> > > > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa=

> dharma,

> > > > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with

> > > horse,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that

> > > swiftly

> > > > > > flew

> > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam

> > > rajaniim

> > > > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew

> away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> > > > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a

> > > bird.

> > > > > > [1-

> > > > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shashie

> > > Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana

> and

> > > some

> > > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to

> > > > > > search

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could

> > > succeed to

> > > > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other

> > > Ramayna

> > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

November 5, 2007

Dear Sru Bhaskar,

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

> Also those who attain awakening go beyond the minus

> points of their charts, and the charts have no no more

> use or of any meaning,to be looked

> into, for it may not reveal.if a person has through his

> sheer will power, and strength of efforts, able to

> create a strong spiritual power, the Horoscope

> ceases to be, for such persons.

>

SK:

This is very much true, for various reasons. The planets typically

that cause Kundalini awakening, or even spiritual realization are

malefic to materialistic side of life; what I mean is, that the

natural malefic planets are more involved in spiritual

realizationa/awakening of the native.

Hence the normal non-spiritual astrologers cannot distinguish

whether these natural malefics are going to influence the spiritual

side of life of the native, or just going to damage their

character/human nature by diverting the native towards involvement

in unwanted/non-social activities. For example, the same eighth

house and its lord are responsible for indulging in non-social

activities as well as spiritual awakening. Therefore, it is always

aa REQUIREMENT for an astrologer to be SPIRITUAL. An astrologer who

is not spiritual, cannot predict many hidden matters (represented by

the Dusthaanas) in a horoscope. This is the very reason I always

mentioned in my past messages, that an astrologer HAS TO BE

SPIRITUAL; there i no choice. Astrology is also a subject governed

by 8th house/lord. If the astrologer's own 8th house does not divert

him towards spirituality, how he/she can find the 8th house matters

of others' horoscopes?

Regards,

Satya S Kolachina

>

> , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil John,

> >

> > I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini

awakening

> > experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to

discover

> > various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

> >

> > kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman,

going

> > beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent planets

can

> > indicate it but cant tell u much.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear PVR,

> > > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to

use his

> > > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if

not i

> > am

> > > sorry for this mail.

> > >

> > > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i

have

> > been

> > > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> > >

> > > May 11, 1979

> > > Time: 0:15:00

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > > Mumbai Sion, India

> > >

> > > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> > >

> > > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD

& lord

> > > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces

is in

> > 12/6

> > > axis. Venus is the AK

> > >

> > > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of

AD

> > lord Ven

> > > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during

this

> > > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> > >

> > > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in

D20 in

> > > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then

working

> > on

> > > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> > Intuitively I

> > > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > SJ

> > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> > > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata.

Please

> > send

> > > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > > and not see mails here). Please indicate whether

the

> > data

> > > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you

can give

> > > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the

name,

> > please

> > > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I

can

> > reveal

> > > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep

everything

> > secret

> > > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > > >

> > > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal the

data.

> > > >

> > > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th

house

> > > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in

reverse) are

> > > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

important.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened

clients.

> > Once I

> > > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a

> > Kundalini

> > > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I

took a

> > > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini

awakening in

> > that

> > > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week

> > pondering

> > > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read

vedanta

> > etc

> > > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am

I?

> > Please

> > > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he

had a

> > > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was

leaving

> > > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up

in his

> > > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see certain

> > scenes.

> > > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear

vision

> > > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him

somewhere

> > and

> > > > showed some things.

> > > >

> > > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing

> > Kundalini.

> > > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > ----------------------------

---

> > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > ----------------------------

---

> > > >

> > > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> > hypothetical

> > > > > case given by you itself is also an example of activated

> > kundalini.

> > > > >

> > > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to

> > liberate

> > > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam

shivam

> > > > > sundaram " .

> > > > >

> > > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest

enjoying his

> > > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he

must

> > get

> > > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > > >

> > > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical

> > cases,

> > > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical

life,

> > do

> > > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > > >

> > > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening

the

> > self,

> > > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some

yogas

> > or

> > > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along

with

> > good

> > > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more

power is

> > > > > realized.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose

a

> > person

> > > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in

> > peaceful

> > > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness

but he

> > > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> > jagran.Will he

> > > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These

are

> > > > depend

> > > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on

Satsang

> > and

> > > > > God help those who help others and to think for others

welfare

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of

divinity as i

> > > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini

> > > > (energy)

> > > > > is

> > > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

> > > > > electrict

> > > > > > wires.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body,

our

> > > > > physical

> > > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness),

as ur

> > > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning,

as a

> > > > > result,

> > > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur

mind to

> > > > > receive

> > > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u

start

> > > > > realizing

> > > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's

why i

> > > > asked

> > > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's

> > bhakti,

> > > > I

> > > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or

other

> > > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by

kundalini

> > > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace

is a

> > must

> > > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man

knows a

> > > > > powerful

> > > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the

mantra

> > for a

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and

6

> > > > > chakras,

> > > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works

not

> > ego

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him

or

> > curse,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can

get a

> > > > > lesson

> > > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we

read

> > > > several

> > > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if

they

> > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in

physical

> > > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-

mortem such

> > > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or

it is

> > > > > also

> > > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there

are

> > > > > following

> > > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh

and

> > > > Ahankar

> > > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we

at

> > > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have

> > filtered

> > > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in

this

> > world

> > > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis

and

> > > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and

shri

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group

did

> > not

> > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive

lagnauages,

> > violent

> > > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> > standards.If

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive

> > criticism

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there

is no

> > > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly

people

> > > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting

that

> > > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do

> > homework

> > > > > > before we

> > > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and

can be

> > > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he

> > wants --

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For

those

> > > > who

> > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they

can.For

> > me

> > > > > > joining

> > > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is

my

> > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live

and let

> > > > live.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls

treat

> > > > > these as

> > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual

> > fire,then

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean

in

> > shloka

> > > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised -

from

> > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with

prayers to

> > Lord.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that

Year

> > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is

the

> > Horse?

> > > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

> > > > > meditative

> > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava

or the

> > > > one

> > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you

think of

> > any

> > > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is

being

> > > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one

can

> > > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the

body

> > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is

left

> > within

> > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning

and

> > > > > smelling

> > > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night

> > with .Which

> > > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni

(agni is

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16

priests are

> > > > > present.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is

transcending

> > and

> > > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both

levels

> > are

> > > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda

helpful by

> > > > any

> > > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble

> > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am

raising my

> > > > > doubts

> > > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable

> > splendour

> > > > > was

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

Rao "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my

interpretation. I

> > am a

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> > scholarship is

> > > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the

writings of

> > > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several

meanings.

> > To

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain

> > wavelength

> > > > > has

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine

> > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas

and

> > other

> > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini

Sutram),

> > a

> > > > > lot of

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of

them

> > are

> > > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her

wish

> > that

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big

way in

> > > > this

> > > > > > age.

> > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now

and

> > then,

> > > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the

full 'screen

> > play'

> > > > > of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and

that

> > She is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take

things

> > very

> > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our

roles in

> > the

> > > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> > interpretation. If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While

some

> > > > > > commentators

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will

go

> > with

> > > > > fire

> > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here

where

> > > > the

> > > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> > interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her

duty

> > > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable

splendor

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her

duty,

> > > > Queen

> > > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was

> > burning

> > > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or,

more

> > likely,

> > > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests

were

> > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a

dead

> > horse

> > > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has

been

> > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> > > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is

quite

> > > > > something.

> > > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and

meditate

> > > > > sitting

> > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part

of the

> > > > > night,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > --------------

-----

> > ----

> > > > -

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality:

vedic-

> > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > > > --------------

-----

> > ----

> > > > -

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in

the

> > > > > context

> > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the

link to

> > the

> > > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca

cetasaa |

> > > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma

kaamyayaa

> > || 1-

> > > > > 14-

> > > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

> > > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa=

dharma,

> > > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with

> > horse,

> > > > for

> > > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that

> > swiftly

> > > > > flew

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated

with

> > the

> > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam

> > rajaniim

> > > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew

away.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> > > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away

like a

> > bird.

> > > > > [1-

> > > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , Shashie

> > Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki

Ramayana and

> > some

> > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn

Astrology,tried to

> > > > > search

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could

> > succeed to

> > > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some

other

> > Ramayna

> > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

November 5, 2007

Dear Shri Satya Sai ji,

Absolutely right Sir.

When a native visits a spiritual astrologer with

his chart, by the time the chart will be out and

opened in front of this astrologer, the major

issue in natives Life,would have already stricken

the astrologer in his mind through the intuition.

Spiritual progress or at least minimum moral

maintenanace of ethical norms of behaviours

is a pre-requisite for any astrologer to be

good. Knowledge alone would not be enough.

The Grace of Ma Saraswati and Parashar Maharaj,

would only make this knowledge be digested, for

the astrologer to ruminate, when he faces a

particular combinations, and wishes to know the

effects.

The 8th house and its Lord is definitely important

for certain positives too for success in Occult Sciences.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " Satya Sai Kolachina "

<skolachi wrote:

>

> Dear Sru Bhaskar,

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> > Also those who attain awakening go beyond the minus

> > points of their charts, and the charts have no no more

> > use or of any meaning,to be looked

> > into, for it may not reveal.if a person has through his

> > sheer will power, and strength of efforts, able to

> > create a strong spiritual power, the Horoscope

> > ceases to be, for such persons.

> >

>

> SK:

> This is very much true, for various reasons. The planets typically

> that cause Kundalini awakening, or even spiritual realization are

> malefic to materialistic side of life; what I mean is, that the

> natural malefic planets are more involved in spiritual

> realizationa/awakening of the native.

>

> Hence the normal non-spiritual astrologers cannot distinguish

> whether these natural malefics are going to influence the spiritual

> side of life of the native, or just going to damage their

> character/human nature by diverting the native towards involvement

> in unwanted/non-social activities. For example, the same eighth

> house and its lord are responsible for indulging in non-social

> activities as well as spiritual awakening. Therefore, it is always

> aa REQUIREMENT for an astrologer to be SPIRITUAL. An astrologer who

> is not spiritual, cannot predict many hidden matters (represented by

> the Dusthaanas) in a horoscope. This is the very reason I always

> mentioned in my past messages, that an astrologer HAS TO BE

> SPIRITUAL; there i no choice. Astrology is also a subject governed

> by 8th house/lord. If the astrologer's own 8th house does not divert

> him towards spirituality, how he/she can find the 8th house matters

> of others' horoscopes?

>

> Regards,

> Satya S Kolachina

>

> >

> > , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil John,

> > >

> > > I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini

> awakening

> > > experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to

> discover

> > > various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

> > >

> > > kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman,

> going

> > > beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent planets

> can

> > > indicate it but cant tell u much.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear PVR,

> > > > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to

> use his

> > > > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if

> not i

> > > am

> > > > sorry for this mail.

> > > >

> > > > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i

> have

> > > been

> > > > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> > > >

> > > > May 11, 1979

> > > > Time: 0:15:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > > > Mumbai Sion, India

> > > >

> > > > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> > > >

> > > > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD

> & lord

> > > > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces

> is in

> > > 12/6

> > > > axis. Venus is the AK

> > > >

> > > > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of

> AD

> > > lord Ven

> > > > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during

> this

> > > > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> > > >

> > > > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in

> D20 in

> > > > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then

> working

> > > on

> > > > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> > > Intuitively I

> > > > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> > > > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata.

> Please

> > > send

> > > > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > > > and not see mails here). Please indicate whether

> the

> > > data

> > > > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you

> can give

> > > > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the

> name,

> > > please

> > > > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I

> can

> > > reveal

> > > > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep

> everything

> > > secret

> > > > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal the

> data.

> > > > >

> > > > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th

> house

> > > > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in

> reverse) are

> > > > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

> important.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened

> clients.

> > > Once I

> > > > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I

> took a

> > > > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini

> awakening in

> > > that

> > > > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week

> > > pondering

> > > > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read

> vedanta

> > > etc

> > > > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am

> I?

> > > Please

> > > > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he

> had a

> > > > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was

> leaving

> > > > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up

> in his

> > > > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see certain

> > > scenes.

> > > > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear

> vision

> > > > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him

> somewhere

> > > and

> > > > > showed some things.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing

> > > Kundalini.

> > > > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > ----------------------------

> ---

> > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > ----------------------------

> ---

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> > > hypothetical

> > > > > > case given by you itself is also an example of activated

> > > kundalini.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to

> > > liberate

> > > > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam

> shivam

> > > > > > sundaram " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest

> enjoying his

> > > > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he

> must

> > > get

> > > > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical

> > > cases,

> > > > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical

> life,

> > > do

> > > > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening

> the

> > > self,

> > > > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some

> yogas

> > > or

> > > > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along

> with

> > > good

> > > > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more

> power is

> > > > > > realized.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose

> a

> > > person

> > > > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in

> > > peaceful

> > > > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness

> but he

> > > > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> > > jagran.Will he

> > > > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These

> are

> > > > > depend

> > > > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on

> Satsang

> > > and

> > > > > > God help those who help others and to think for others

> welfare

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of

> divinity as i

> > > > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini

> > > > > (energy)

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

> > > > > > electrict

> > > > > > > wires.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body,

> our

> > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness),

> as ur

> > > > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning,

> as a

> > > > > > result,

> > > > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur

> mind to

> > > > > > receive

> > > > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u

> start

> > > > > > realizing

> > > > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's

> why i

> > > > > asked

> > > > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's

> > > bhakti,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or

> other

> > > > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by

> kundalini

> > > > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace

> is a

> > > must

> > > > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man

> knows a

> > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the

> mantra

> > > for a

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and

> 6

> > > > > > chakras,

> > > > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works

> not

> > > ego

> > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him

> or

> > > curse,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can

> get a

> > > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we

> read

> > > > > several

> > > > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if

> they

> > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in

> physical

> > > > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-

> mortem such

> > > > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or

> it is

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there

> are

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh

> and

> > > > > Ahankar

> > > > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we

> at

> > > > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > > > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have

> > > filtered

> > > > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > > > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in

> this

> > > world

> > > > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis

> and

> > > > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > > > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and

> shri

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group

> did

> > > not

> > > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive

> lagnauages,

> > > violent

> > > > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> > > standards.If

> > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive

> > > criticism

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there

> is no

> > > > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly

> people

> > > > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting

> that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do

> > > homework

> > > > > > > before we

> > > > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and

> can be

> > > > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he

> > > wants --

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For

> those

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they

> can.For

> > > me

> > > > > > > joining

> > > > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is

> my

> > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live

> and let

> > > > > live.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls

> treat

> > > > > > these as

> > > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual

> > > fire,then

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean

> in

> > > shloka

> > > > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised -

> from

> > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with

> prayers to

> > > Lord.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that

> Year

> > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is

> the

> > > Horse?

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

> > > > > > meditative

> > > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava

> or the

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you

> think of

> > > any

> > > > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is

> being

> > > > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one

> can

> > > > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the

> body

> > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is

> left

> > > within

> > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning

> and

> > > > > > smelling

> > > > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night

> > > with .Which

> > > > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni

> (agni is

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16

> priests are

> > > > > > present.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is

> transcending

> > > and

> > > > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both

> levels

> > > are

> > > > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda

> helpful by

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble

> > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am

> raising my

> > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable

> > > splendour

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

> Rao "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my

> interpretation. I

> > > am a

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> > > scholarship is

> > > > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the

> writings of

> > > > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several

> meanings.

> > > To

> > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain

> > > wavelength

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine

> > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas

> and

> > > other

> > > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini

> Sutram),

> > > a

> > > > > > lot of

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of

> them

> > > are

> > > > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her

> wish

> > > that

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big

> way in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > age.

> > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now

> and

> > > then,

> > > > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the

> full 'screen

> > > play'

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and

> that

> > > She is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take

> things

> > > very

> > > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our

> roles in

> > > the

> > > > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> > > interpretation. If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While

> some

> > > > > > > commentators

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will

> go

> > > with

> > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here

> where

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> > > interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her

> duty

> > > > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable

> splendor

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her

> duty,

> > > > > Queen

> > > > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was

> > > burning

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or,

> more

> > > likely,

> > > > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests

> were

> > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a

> dead

> > > horse

> > > > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has

> been

> > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> > > > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is

> quite

> > > > > > something.

> > > > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and

> meditate

> > > > > > sitting

> > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part

> of the

> > > > > > night,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > > --------------

> -----

> > > ----

> > > > > -

> > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality:

> vedic-

> > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > --------------

> -----

> > > ----

> > > > > -

> > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in

> the

> > > > > > context

> > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the

> link to

> > > the

> > > > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca

> cetasaa |

> > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma

> kaamyayaa

> > > || 1-

> > > > > > 14-

> > > > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

> > > > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa=

> dharma,

> > > > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with

> > > horse,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that

> > > swiftly

> > > > > > flew

> > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam

> > > rajaniim

> > > > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew

> away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> > > > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away

> like a

> > > bird.

> > > > > > [1-

> > > > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shashie

> > > Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki

> Ramayana and

> > > some

> > > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn

> Astrology,tried to

> > > > > > search

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could

> > > succeed to

> > > > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some

> other

> > > Ramayna

> > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

November 5, 2007

Dear Bhaskar,

Please see my response below.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Satya Sai ji,

>

> Absolutely right Sir.

> When a native visits a spiritual astrologer with

> his chart, by the time the chart will be out and

> opened in front of this astrologer, the major

> issue in natives Life,would have already stricken

> the astrologer in his mind through the intuition.

You mentioned it crystal clear. It happened to me some yrs ago, when

I met a spiritual astrologer with my own horoscope. Incidentally he

was also a Nadi astrologer from Kumbhakonam, Tamilnadu.

He opened my horoscope and went into trans mode, and started giving

me the reading/prediction, and his spiritual advice. So far,

whatever he predicted for me till today, happened 100%. It was the

first time (and so far the last time) I saw how a spiritually

oriented astrologer gave me such stunning predictions. Not only his

predictions, his spiritual advice also helped me very well.

He gave predictions to my wife, and they are also 100% correct so

far.

Regards,

Satya Sai Kolachina

>

> , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> <skolachi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sru Bhaskar,

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > > Also those who attain awakening go beyond the minus

> > > points of their charts, and the charts have no no more

> > > use or of any meaning,to be looked

> > > into, for it may not reveal.if a person has through his

> > > sheer will power, and strength of efforts, able to

> > > create a strong spiritual power, the Horoscope

> > > ceases to be, for such persons.

> > >

> >

> > SK:

> > This is very much true, for various reasons. The planets

typically

> > that cause Kundalini awakening, or even spiritual realization

are

> > malefic to materialistic side of life; what I mean is, that the

> > natural malefic planets are more involved in spiritual

> > realizationa/awakening of the native.

> >

> > Hence the normal non-spiritual astrologers cannot distinguish

> > whether these natural malefics are going to influence the

spiritual

> > side of life of the native, or just going to damage their

> > character/human nature by diverting the native towards

involvement

> > in unwanted/non-social activities. For example, the same eighth

> > house and its lord are responsible for indulging in non-social

> > activities as well as spiritual awakening. Therefore, it is

always

> > aa REQUIREMENT for an astrologer to be SPIRITUAL. An astrologer

who

> > is not spiritual, cannot predict many hidden matters

(represented by

> > the Dusthaanas) in a horoscope. This is the very reason I always

> > mentioned in my past messages, that an astrologer HAS TO BE

> > SPIRITUAL; there i no choice. Astrology is also a subject

governed

> > by 8th house/lord. If the astrologer's own 8th house does not

divert

> > him towards spirituality, how he/she can find the 8th house

matters

> > of others' horoscopes?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Satya S Kolachina

> >

> > >

> > > , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil John,

> > > >

> > > > I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini

> > awakening

> > > > experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to

> > discover

> > > > various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

> > > >

> > > > kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman,

> > going

> > > > beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent

planets

> > can

> > > > indicate it but cant tell u much.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear PVR,

> > > > > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission

to

> > use his

> > > > > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date'

if

> > not i

> > > > am

> > > > > sorry for this mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as

i

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> > > > >

> > > > > May 11, 1979

> > > > > Time: 0:15:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > > > > Mumbai Sion, India

> > > > >

> > > > > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> > > > >

> > > > > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his

MD

> > & lord

> > > > > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways

Pisces

> > is in

> > > > 12/6

> > > > > axis. Venus is the AK

> > > > >

> > > > > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa

of

> > AD

> > > > lord Ven

> > > > > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened

during

> > this

> > > > > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> > > > >

> > > > > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H

in

> > D20 in

> > > > > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but

then

> > working

> > > > on

> > > > > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> > > > Intuitively I

> > > > > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an

awakened

> > > > > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata.

> > Please

> > > > send

> > > > > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > > > > and not see mails here). Please indicate

whether

> > the

> > > > data

> > > > > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want,

you

> > can give

> > > > > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the

> > name,

> > > > please

> > > > > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether

I

> > can

> > > > reveal

> > > > > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep

> > everything

> > > > secret

> > > > > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal

the

> > data.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The

8th

> > house

> > > > > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in

> > reverse) are

> > > > > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

> > important.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened

> > clients.

> > > > Once I

> > > > > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person

had a

> > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back.

So I

> > took a

> > > > > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini

> > awakening in

> > > > that

> > > > > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a

week

> > > > pondering

> > > > > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He

read

> > vedanta

> > > > etc

> > > > > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who

am

> > I?

> > > > Please

> > > > > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days,

he

> > had a

> > > > > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness

was

> > leaving

> > > > > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing

up

> > in his

> > > > > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see

certain

> > > > scenes.

> > > > > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a

clear

> > vision

> > > > > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him

> > somewhere

> > > > and

> > > > > > showed some things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in

seeing

> > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > ------------------------

----

> > ---

> > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > ------------------------

----

> > ---

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " litsol " litsol@

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> > > > hypothetical

> > > > > > > case given by you itself is also an example of

activated

> > > > kundalini.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and

then to

> > > > liberate

> > > > > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall -

" satyam

> > shivam

> > > > > > > sundaram " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest

> > enjoying his

> > > > > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and

he

> > must

> > > > get

> > > > > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with

hypothetical

> > > > cases,

> > > > > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily

practical

> > life,

> > > > do

> > > > > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact

awakening

> > the

> > > > self,

> > > > > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with

some

> > yogas

> > > > or

> > > > > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts

along

> > with

> > > > good

> > > > > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more

> > power is

> > > > > > > realized.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization?

Suppose

> > a

> > > > person

> > > > > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life

in

> > > > peaceful

> > > > > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and

truthfulness

> > but he

> > > > > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> > > > jagran.Will he

> > > > > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is

concerned.These

> > are

> > > > > > depend

> > > > > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on

> > Satsang

> > > > and

> > > > > > > God help those who help others and to think for others

> > welfare

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of

> > divinity as i

> > > > > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy,

kundalini

> > > > > > (energy)

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric

current in

> > > > > > > electrict

> > > > > > > > wires.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our

body,

> > our

> > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna

(conciousness),

> > as ur

> > > > > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start

cleaning,

> > as a

> > > > > > > result,

> > > > > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur

> > mind to

> > > > > > > receive

> > > > > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus

u

> > start

> > > > > > > realizing

> > > > > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it,

that's

> > why i

> > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted

meera's

> > > > bhakti,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads

or

> > other

> > > > > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by

> > kundalini

> > > > > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's

grace

> > is a

> > > > must

> > > > > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man

> > knows a

> > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the

> > mantra

> > > > for a

> > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini

and

> > 6

> > > > > > > chakras,

> > > > > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti

works

> > not

> > > > ego

> > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for

him

> > or

> > > > curse,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he

can

> > get a

> > > > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that

we

> > read

> > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga

etc.Ok,if

> > they

> > > > are

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body

in

> > physical

> > > > > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-

> > mortem such

> > > > > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe

position or

> > it is

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me

there

> > are

> > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh,

Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh

> > and

> > > > > > Ahankar

> > > > > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi

(Peas)

> > > > > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because

we

> > at

> > > > > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating

them

> > > > > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must

have

> > > > filtered

> > > > > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2

blood

> > > > > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in

same

> > > > > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search

of

> > > > > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place

in

> > this

> > > > world

> > > > > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi

Munis

> > and

> > > > > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to

abuse

> > > > > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and

interpretation

> > > > > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on

Forums.

> > > > > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji

and

> > shri

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a

group

> > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive

> > lagnauages,

> > > > violent

> > > > > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> > > > standards.If

> > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid

those.Contructive

> > > > criticism

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but

there

> > is no

> > > > > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly

> > people

> > > > > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were

suspecting

> > that

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us

do

> > > > homework

> > > > > > > > before we

> > > > > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion

and

> > can be

> > > > > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine

as he

> > > > wants --

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga -

For

> > those

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they

> > can.For

> > > > me

> > > > > > > > joining

> > > > > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be

different.It is

> > my

> > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist -

live

> > and let

> > > > > > live.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar "

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not

think

> > > > > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars

like

> > > > > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under

discussion.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify

them.Pls

> > treat

> > > > > > > these as

> > > > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is

ritual

> > > > fire,then

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam''

mean

> > in

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being

raised -

> > from

> > > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with

> > prayers to

> > > > Lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned

that

> > Year

> > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what

is

> > the

> > > > Horse?

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail

your

> > > > > > > meditative

> > > > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a

Parava

> > or the

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you

> > think of

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is

that is

> > being

> > > > > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which

one

> > can

> > > > > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year)

the

> > body

> > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri

is

> > left

> > > > within

> > > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the

burning

> > and

> > > > > > > smelling

> > > > > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the

night

> > > > with .Which

> > > > > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni

> > (agni is

> > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16

> > priests are

> > > > > > > present.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is

> > transcending

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at

both

> > levels

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda

> > helpful by

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my

humble

> > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am

> > raising my

> > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your

translation.Stable

> > > > splendour

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Narasimha

> > Rao "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my

> > interpretation. I

> > > > am a

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> > > > scholarship is

> > > > > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the

> > writings of

> > > > > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several

> > meanings.

> > > > To

> > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your

brain

> > > > wavelength

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with

divine

> > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats,

Puranas

> > and

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini

> > Sutram),

> > > > a

> > > > > > > lot of

> > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most

of

> > them

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is

Her

> > wish

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a

big

> > way in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > age.

> > > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come

now

> > and

> > > > then,

> > > > > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the

> > full 'screen

> > > > play'

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama

and

> > that

> > > > She is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and

take

> > things

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our

> > roles in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> > > > interpretation. If

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this

fool.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also.

While

> > some

> > > > > > > > commentators

> > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I

will

> > go

> > > > with

> > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual

here

> > where

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> > > > interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow

her

> > duty

> > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable

> > splendor

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow

her

> > duty,

> > > > > > Queen

> > > > > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that

was

> > > > burning

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire

or,

> > more

> > > > likely,

> > > > > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The

priests

> > were

> > > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a

> > dead

> > > > horse

> > > > > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase

has

> > been

> > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in

place

> > > > > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night

is

> > quite

> > > > > > > something.

> > > > > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and

> > meditate

> > > > > > > sitting

> > > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early

part

> > of the

> > > > > > > night,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------

----

> > -----

> > > > ----

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality:

> > vedic-

> > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > > > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------

----

> > -----

> > > > ----

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok

described in

> > the

> > > > > > > context

> > > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided

the

> > link to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca

> > cetasaa |

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma

> > kaamyayaa

> > > > || 1-

> > > > > > > 14-

> > > > > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya;

susthitena cha

> > > > > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma

kaamaayaa=

> > dharma,

> > > > > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham=

with

> > > > horse,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one

that

> > > > swiftly

> > > > > > > flew

> > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is

equated

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations;

ekaam

> > > > rajaniim

> > > > > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that

flew

> > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of

ritual

> > > > > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away

> > like a

> > > > bird.

> > > > > > > [1-

> > > > > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Shashie

> > > > Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki

> > Ramayana and

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn

> > Astrology,tried to

> > > > > > > search

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one

could

> > > > succeed to

> > > > > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some

> > other

> > > > Ramayna

> > > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

November 6, 2007

Om Datta Guru

Dear Satya,

I felt very happy reading ur experience. I always feel pious souls can

easily get correct guidance and predictions if approaching the

astrologer with good bhavana.

Just one question out of curiosity did u find the astrologer having ego

or superiority complex, or arrogant, ofcourse I understand its too short

a meeting to notice/judge anyone on that, still curious

best wishes

Sunil John

, " Satya Sai Kolachina "

<skolachi wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> Please see my response below.

>

> , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Satya Sai ji,

> >

> > Absolutely right Sir.

> > When a native visits a spiritual astrologer with

> > his chart, by the time the chart will be out and

> > opened in front of this astrologer, the major

> > issue in natives Life,would have already stricken

> > the astrologer in his mind through the intuition.

>

> You mentioned it crystal clear. It happened to me some yrs ago, when

> I met a spiritual astrologer with my own horoscope. Incidentally he

> was also a Nadi astrologer from Kumbhakonam, Tamilnadu.

>

> He opened my horoscope and went into trans mode, and started giving

> me the reading/prediction, and his spiritual advice. So far,

> whatever he predicted for me till today, happened 100%. It was the

> first time (and so far the last time) I saw how a spiritually

> oriented astrologer gave me such stunning predictions. Not only his

> predictions, his spiritual advice also helped me very well.

>

> He gave predictions to my wife, and they are also 100% correct so

> far.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satya Sai Kolachina

>

> >

> > , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sru Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Also those who attain awakening go beyond the minus

> > > > points of their charts, and the charts have no no more

> > > > use or of any meaning,to be looked

> > > > into, for it may not reveal.if a person has through his

> > > > sheer will power, and strength of efforts, able to

> > > > create a strong spiritual power, the Horoscope

> > > > ceases to be, for such persons.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SK:

> > > This is very much true, for various reasons. The planets

> typically

> > > that cause Kundalini awakening, or even spiritual realization

> are

> > > malefic to materialistic side of life; what I mean is, that the

> > > natural malefic planets are more involved in spiritual

> > > realizationa/awakening of the native.

> > >

> > > Hence the normal non-spiritual astrologers cannot distinguish

> > > whether these natural malefics are going to influence the

> spiritual

> > > side of life of the native, or just going to damage their

> > > character/human nature by diverting the native towards

> involvement

> > > in unwanted/non-social activities. For example, the same eighth

> > > house and its lord are responsible for indulging in non-social

> > > activities as well as spiritual awakening. Therefore, it is

> always

> > > aa REQUIREMENT for an astrologer to be SPIRITUAL. An astrologer

> who

> > > is not spiritual, cannot predict many hidden matters

> (represented by

> > > the Dusthaanas) in a horoscope. This is the very reason I always

> > > mentioned in my past messages, that an astrologer HAS TO BE

> > > SPIRITUAL; there i no choice. Astrology is also a subject

> governed

> > > by 8th house/lord. If the astrologer's own 8th house does not

> divert

> > > him towards spirituality, how he/she can find the 8th house

> matters

> > > of others' horoscopes?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Satya S Kolachina

> > >

> > > >

> > > > , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil John,

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini

> > > awakening

> > > > > experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to

> > > discover

> > > > > various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

> > > > >

> > > > > kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman,

> > > going

> > > > > beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent

> planets

> > > can

> > > > > indicate it but cant tell u much.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > > > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear PVR,

> > > > > > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission

> to

> > > use his

> > > > > > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date'

> if

> > > not i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > sorry for this mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as

> i

> > > have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May 11, 1979

> > > > > > Time: 0:15:00

> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > > > > > Mumbai Sion, India

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his

> MD

> > > & lord

> > > > > > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways

> Pisces

> > > is in

> > > > > 12/6

> > > > > > axis. Venus is the AK

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa

> of

> > > AD

> > > > > lord Ven

> > > > > > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened

> during

> > > this

> > > > > > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H

> in

> > > D20 in

> > > > > > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but

> then

> > > working

> > > > > on

> > > > > > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> > > > > Intuitively I

> > > > > > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an

> awakened

> > > > > > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata.

> > > Please

> > > > > send

> > > > > > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > > > > > and not see mails here). Please indicate

> whether

> > > the

> > > > > data

> > > > > > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want,

> you

> > > can give

> > > > > > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the

> > > name,

> > > > > please

> > > > > > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether

> I

> > > can

> > > > > reveal

> > > > > > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep

> > > everything

> > > > > secret

> > > > > > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal

> the

> > > data.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The

> 8th

> > > house

> > > > > > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in

> > > reverse) are

> > > > > > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

> > > important.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened

> > > clients.

> > > > > Once I

> > > > > > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person

> had a

> > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back.

> So I

> > > took a

> > > > > > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini

> > > awakening in

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a

> week

> > > > > pondering

> > > > > > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He

> read

> > > vedanta

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who

> am

> > > I?

> > > > > Please

> > > > > > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days,

> he

> > > had a

> > > > > > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness

> was

> > > leaving

> > > > > > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing

> up

> > > in his

> > > > > > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see

> certain

> > > > > scenes.

> > > > > > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a

> clear

> > > vision

> > > > > > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him

> > > somewhere

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > showed some things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in

> seeing

> > > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > ------------------------

> ----

> > > ---

> > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > ------------------------

> ----

> > > ---

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " litsol " litsol@

> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > > > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> > > > > hypothetical

> > > > > > > > case given by you itself is also an example of

> activated

> > > > > kundalini.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and

> then to

> > > > > liberate

> > > > > > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall -

> " satyam

> > > shivam

> > > > > > > > sundaram " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest

> > > enjoying his

> > > > > > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and

> he

> > > must

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with

> hypothetical

> > > > > cases,

> > > > > > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily

> practical

> > > life,

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact

> awakening

> > > the

> > > > > self,

> > > > > > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with

> some

> > > yogas

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts

> along

> > > with

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more

> > > power is

> > > > > > > > realized.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization?

> Suppose

> > > a

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life

> in

> > > > > peaceful

> > > > > > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and

> truthfulness

> > > but he

> > > > > > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> > > > > jagran.Will he

> > > > > > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is

> concerned.These

> > > are

> > > > > > > depend

> > > > > > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on

> > > Satsang

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > God help those who help others and to think for others

> > > welfare

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of

> > > divinity as i

> > > > > > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy,

> kundalini

> > > > > > > (energy)

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric

> current in

> > > > > > > > electrict

> > > > > > > > > wires.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our

> body,

> > > our

> > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna

> (conciousness),

> > > as ur

> > > > > > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start

> cleaning,

> > > as a

> > > > > > > > result,

> > > > > > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur

> > > mind to

> > > > > > > > receive

> > > > > > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus

> u

> > > start

> > > > > > > > realizing

> > > > > > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it,

> that's

> > > why i

> > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted

> meera's

> > > > > bhakti,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads

> or

> > > other

> > > > > > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by

> > > kundalini

> > > > > > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's

> grace

> > > is a

> > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man

> > > knows a

> > > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the

> > > mantra

> > > > > for a

> > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini

> and

> > > 6

> > > > > > > > chakras,

> > > > > > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti

> works

> > > not

> > > > > ego

> > > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for

> him

> > > or

> > > > > curse,

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he

> can

> > > get a

> > > > > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that

> we

> > > read

> > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga

> etc.Ok,if

> > > they

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body

> in

> > > physical

> > > > > > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-

> > > mortem such

> > > > > > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe

> position or

> > > it is

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me

> there

> > > are

> > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh,

> Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh

> > > and

> > > > > > > Ahankar

> > > > > > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi

> (Peas)

> > > > > > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because

> we

> > > at

> > > > > > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating

> them

> > > > > > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must

> have

> > > > > filtered

> > > > > > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2

> blood

> > > > > > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in

> same

> > > > > > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search

> of

> > > > > > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place

> in

> > > this

> > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi

> Munis

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to

> abuse

> > > > > > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and

> interpretation

> > > > > > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on

> Forums.

> > > > > > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji

> and

> > > shri

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a

> group

> > > did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive

> > > lagnauages,

> > > > > violent

> > > > > > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> > > > > standards.If

> > > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid

> those.Contructive

> > > > > criticism

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but

> there

> > > is no

> > > > > > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly

> > > people

> > > > > > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were

> suspecting

> > > that

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us

> do

> > > > > homework

> > > > > > > > > before we

> > > > > > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion

> and

> > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine

> as he

> > > > > wants --

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga -

> For

> > > those

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they

> > > can.For

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > joining

> > > > > > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be

> different.It is

> > > my

> > > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist -

> live

> > > and let

> > > > > > > live.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar "

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not

> think

> > > > > > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars

> like

> > > > > > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under

> discussion.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify

> them.Pls

> > > treat

> > > > > > > > these as

> > > > > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is

> ritual

> > > > > fire,then

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam''

> mean

> > > in

> > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being

> raised -

> > > from

> > > > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with

> > > prayers to

> > > > > Lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned

> that

> > > Year

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what

> is

> > > the

> > > > > Horse?

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail

> your

> > > > > > > > meditative

> > > > > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a

> Parava

> > > or the

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you

> > > think of

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is

> that is

> > > being

> > > > > > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which

> one

> > > can

> > > > > > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year)

> the

> > > body

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri

> is

> > > left

> > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the

> burning

> > > and

> > > > > > > > smelling

> > > > > > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the

> night

> > > > > with .Which

> > > > > > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni

> > > (agni is

> > > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16

> > > priests are

> > > > > > > > present.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is

> > > transcending

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at

> both

> > > levels

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda

> > > helpful by

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my

> humble

> > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am

> > > raising my

> > > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your

> translation.Stable

> > > > > splendour

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " Narasimha

> > > Rao "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my

> > > interpretation. I

> > > > > am a

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> > > > > scholarship is

> > > > > > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the

> > > writings of

> > > > > > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several

> > > meanings.

> > > > > To

> > > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your

> brain

> > > > > wavelength

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with

> divine

> > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats,

> Puranas

> > > and

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini

> > > Sutram),

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > lot of

> > > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most

> of

> > > them

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is

> Her

> > > wish

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a

> big

> > > way in

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > age.

> > > > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come

> now

> > > and

> > > > > then,

> > > > > > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the

> > > full 'screen

> > > > > play'

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama

> and

> > > that

> > > > > She is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and

> take

> > > things

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our

> > > roles in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> > > > > interpretation. If

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this

> fool.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also.

> While

> > > some

> > > > > > > > > commentators

> > > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I

> will

> > > go

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual

> here

> > > where

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> > > > > interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow

> her

> > > duty

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable

> > > splendor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow

> her

> > > duty,

> > > > > > > Queen

> > > > > > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that

> was

> > > > > burning

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire

> or,

> > > more

> > > > > likely,

> > > > > > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The

> priests

> > > were

> > > > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > > > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a

> > > dead

> > > > > horse

> > > > > > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase

> has

> > > been

> > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in

> place

> > > > > > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night

> is

> > > quite

> > > > > > > > something.

> > > > > > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and

> > > meditate

> > > > > > > > sitting

> > > > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early

> part

> > > of the

> > > > > > > > night,

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------

> ----

> > > -----

> > > > > ----

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > vedic-

> > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > > > > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------

> ----

> > > -----

> > > > > ----

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok

> described in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > context

> > > > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided

> the

> > > link to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca

> > > cetasaa |

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma

> > > kaamyayaa

> > > > > || 1-

> > > > > > > > 14-

> > > > > > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya;

> susthitena cha

> > > > > > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma

> kaamaayaa=

> > > dharma,

> > > > > > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham=

> with

> > > > > horse,

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one

> that

> > > > > swiftly

> > > > > > > > flew

> > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is

> equated

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations;

> ekaam

> > > > > rajaniim

> > > > > > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that

> flew

> > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of

> ritual

> > > > > > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away

> > > like a

> > > > > bird.

> > > > > > > > [1-

> > > > > > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> Shashie

> > > > > Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki

> > > Ramayana and

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn

> > > Astrology,tried to

> > > > > > > > search

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one

> could

> > > > > succeed to

> > > > > > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some

> > > other

> > > > > Ramayna

> > > > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

November 7, 2007

Dear Lalit,

Kundalini awakening as such is not a nirguna/nirvikalp state. A

person whose Kundalini is awakened and rising may have a heightened

state of mental concentration and focus and may be experiencing

things that are in this universe that a normal person does not

perceive, but the experiences are still within the field of duality

(which is saguna). As long as a person operates within the field of

duality with a sense of doership of one's thoughts and actions, one

is bound by the laws of karma and hence planets play a role. After

kundalini becomes perfectly purified, the person drops all

conditioning and experiences the nirguna state (nirvikalpa samadhi),

THEN planets have no influence and thus astrology is useless.

But until then, astrology should work.

The only problem is that our understanding of astrology is weak and

imperfect unlike that of rishis. Thus, we may be unable to do justice.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil John,

>

> I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini

awakening

> experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to

discover

> various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

>

> kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman, going

> beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent planets

can

> indicate it but cant tell u much.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " suniljohn_2002 "

> <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear PVR,

> > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to use

his

> > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if not

i

> am

> > sorry for this mail.

> >

> > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i have

> been

> > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> >

> > May 11, 1979

> > Time: 0:15:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > Mumbai Sion, India

> >

> > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> >

> > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD &

lord

> > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces is

in

> 12/6

> > axis. Venus is the AK

> >

> > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of AD

> lord Ven

> > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during this

> > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> >

> > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in D20 in

> > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then

working

> on

> > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> Intuitively I

> > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> >

> > Regards

> > SJ

> >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata. Please

> send

> > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > and not see mails here). Please indicate whether the

> data

> > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you can

give

> > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the name,

> please

> > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I can

> reveal

> > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep everything

> secret

> > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > >

> > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal the

data.

> > >

> > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th

house

> > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in reverse)

are

> > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

important.

> > >

> > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened clients.

> Once I

> > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a

> Kundalini

> > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I

took a

> > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini awakening

in

> that

> > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week

> pondering

> > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read

vedanta

> etc

> > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am I?

> Please

> > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he had a

> > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was

leaving

> > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up in

his

> > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see certain

> scenes.

> > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear vision

> > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him somewhere

> and

> > > showed some things.

> > >

> > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing

> Kundalini.

> > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

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> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> hypothetical

> > > > case given by you itself is also an example of activated

> kundalini.

> > > >

> > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to

> liberate

> > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam

shivam

> > > > sundaram " .

> > > >

> > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest enjoying

his

> > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he must

> get

> > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > >

> > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical

> cases,

> > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical

life,

> do

> > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > >

> > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening the

> self,

> > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some

yogas

> or

> > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along

with

> good

> > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more power

is

> > > > realized.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a

> person

> > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in

> peaceful

> > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness but

he

> > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> jagran.Will he

> > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These are

> > > depend

> > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on

Satsang

> and

> > > > God help those who help others and to think for others

welfare

> it

> > > is

> > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity

as i

> > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > >

> > > > > God bless

> > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini

> > > (energy)

> > > > is

> > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > >

> > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

> > > > electrict

> > > > > wires.

> > > > >

> > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > >

> > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body, our

> > > > physical

> > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness), as

ur

> > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning, as

a

> > > > result,

> > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind to

> > > > receive

> > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u start

> > > > realizing

> > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > >

> > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > >

> > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's why i

> > > asked

> > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's

> bhakti,

> > > I

> > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > >

> > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or

other

> > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by kundalini

> > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace is

a

> must

> > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man knows a

> > > > powerful

> > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > >

> > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the mantra

> for a

> > > > bad

> > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6

> > > > chakras,

> > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works not

> ego

> > > > nor

> > > > > knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him or

> curse,

> > > > he

> > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can

get a

> > > > lesson

> > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read

> > > several

> > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if

they

> are

> > > > in

> > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in

physical

> > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem

such

> > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or it

is

> > > > also

> > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are

> > > > following

> > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and

> > > Ahankar

> > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have

> filtered

> > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in this

> world

> > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and shri

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group

did

> not

> > > > > provide

> > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive lagnauages,

> violent

> > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> standards.If

> > > > > possible

> > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive

> criticism

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there is

no

> > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly people

> > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting that

> > > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do

> homework

> > > > > before we

> > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and can

be

> > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he

> wants --

> > > > but

> > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For

those

> > > who

> > > > > want to

> > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they

can.For

> me

> > > > > joining

> > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is my

> > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and

let

> > > live.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls

treat

> > > > these as

> > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual

> fire,then

> > > > what

> > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean in

> shloka

> > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised - from

> > > where.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers

to

> Lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that

Year

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is the

> Horse?

> > > I

> > > > am

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

> > > > meditative

> > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava or

the

> > > one

> > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you think

of

> any

> > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is

being

> > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one can

> > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the

body

> of

> > > > the

> > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is left

> within

> > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and

> > > > smelling

> > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night

> with .Which

> > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni(agni

is

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests

are

> > > > present.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is

transcending

> and

> > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both

levels

> are

> > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda helpful

by

> > > any

> > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble

> thoughts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising my

> > > > doubts

> > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable

> splendour

> > > > was

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation. I

> am a

> > > > good

> > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> scholarship is

> > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings of

> > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several

meanings.

> To

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain

> wavelength

> > > > has

> > > > > to

> > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine

> blessings.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and

> other

> > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini

Sutram),

> a

> > > > lot of

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of

them

> are

> > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her

wish

> that

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big way

in

> > > this

> > > > > age.

> > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now

and

> then,

> > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full 'screen

> play'

> > > > of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and that

> She is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take

things

> very

> > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles

in

> the

> > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> interpretation. If

> > > > you

> > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While some

> > > > > commentators

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will go

> with

> > > > fire

> > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here

where

> > > the

> > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable splendor

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her duty,

> > > Queen

> > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was

> burning

> > > > with

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or, more

> likely,

> > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests were

> > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead

> horse

> > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has been

> > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is quite

> > > > something.

> > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and meditate

> > > > sitting

> > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part of

the

> > > > night,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > -----------------

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> > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: vedic-

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> > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in the

> > > > context

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the link

to

> the

> > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa

|

> > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma

kaamyayaa

> || 1-

> > > > 14-

> > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

> > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa=

dharma,

> > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with

> horse,

> > > for

> > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that

> swiftly

> > > > flew

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated

with

> the

> > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam

> rajaniim

> > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew

away.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like a

> bird.

> > > > [1-

> > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , Shashie

> Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana

and

> some

> > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried to

> > > > search

> > > > > the

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could

> succeed to

> > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other

> Ramayna

> > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

November 7, 2007

Dear Narsimha,

Yes, it's right, but one thing that troubles to me is, even with

partial awakening, one gets tremendous will power, it's like what u

think, mother nature just makes that possible for you.

this rise in will power, means free will, free will means again

reduction of planetary influence, how we can fix it, because it's the

indicator of awakening along with knowledge and hapiness that one

gets during the awakening.

regards,

Lalit.

, " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Kundalini awakening as such is not a nirguna/nirvikalp state. A

> person whose Kundalini is awakened and rising may have a heightened

> state of mental concentration and focus and may be experiencing

> things that are in this universe that a normal person does not

> perceive, but the experiences are still within the field of duality

> (which is saguna). As long as a person operates within the field of

> duality with a sense of doership of one's thoughts and actions, one

> is bound by the laws of karma and hence planets play a role. After

> kundalini becomes perfectly purified, the person drops all

> conditioning and experiences the nirguna state (nirvikalpa

samadhi),

> THEN planets have no influence and thus astrology is useless.

>

> But until then, astrology should work.

>

> The only problem is that our understanding of astrology is weak and

> imperfect unlike that of rishis. Thus, we may be unable to do

justice.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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>

> , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil John,

> >

> > I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini

> awakening

> > experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to

> discover

> > various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

> >

> > kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman,

going

> > beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent planets

> can

> > indicate it but cant tell u much.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear PVR,

> > > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to use

> his

> > > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if

not

> i

> > am

> > > sorry for this mail.

> > >

> > > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i

have

> > been

> > > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> > >

> > > May 11, 1979

> > > Time: 0:15:00

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > > Mumbai Sion, India

> > >

> > > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> > >

> > > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD &

> lord

> > > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces is

> in

> > 12/6

> > > axis. Venus is the AK

> > >

> > > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of AD

> > lord Ven

> > > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during this

> > > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> > >

> > > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in D20

in

> > > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then

> working

> > on

> > > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> > Intuitively I

> > > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > SJ

> > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> > > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata.

Please

> > send

> > > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > > and not see mails here). Please indicate whether

the

> > data

> > > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you can

> give

> > > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the name,

> > please

> > > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I

can

> > reveal

> > > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep

everything

> > secret

> > > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > > >

> > > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal the

> data.

> > > >

> > > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th

> house

> > > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in reverse)

> are

> > > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

> important.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened clients.

> > Once I

> > > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a

> > Kundalini

> > > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I

> took a

> > > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini awakening

> in

> > that

> > > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week

> > pondering

> > > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read

> vedanta

> > etc

> > > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am

I?

> > Please

> > > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he

had a

> > > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was

> leaving

> > > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up

in

> his

> > > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see certain

> > scenes.

> > > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear

vision

> > > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him

somewhere

> > and

> > > > showed some things.

> > > >

> > > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing

> > Kundalini.

> > > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

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> > > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> > hypothetical

> > > > > case given by you itself is also an example of activated

> > kundalini.

> > > > >

> > > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to

> > liberate

> > > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam

> shivam

> > > > > sundaram " .

> > > > >

> > > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest

enjoying

> his

> > > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he

must

> > get

> > > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > > >

> > > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical

> > cases,

> > > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical

> life,

> > do

> > > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > > >

> > > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening the

> > self,

> > > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some

> yogas

> > or

> > > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along

> with

> > good

> > > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more

power

> is

> > > > > realized.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose a

> > person

> > > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in

> > peaceful

> > > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness

but

> he

> > > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> > jagran.Will he

> > > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These

are

> > > > depend

> > > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on

> Satsang

> > and

> > > > > God help those who help others and to think for others

> welfare

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of divinity

> as i

> > > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy, kundalini

> > > > (energy)

> > > > > is

> > > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current in

> > > > > electrict

> > > > > > wires.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body,

our

> > > > > physical

> > > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness),

as

> ur

> > > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning,

as

> a

> > > > > result,

> > > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur mind

to

> > > > > receive

> > > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u

start

> > > > > realizing

> > > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's

why i

> > > > asked

> > > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's

> > bhakti,

> > > > I

> > > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or

> other

> > > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by

kundalini

> > > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace

is

> a

> > must

> > > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man

knows a

> > > > > powerful

> > > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the

mantra

> > for a

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and 6

> > > > > chakras,

> > > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works

not

> > ego

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him

or

> > curse,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can

> get a

> > > > > lesson

> > > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we read

> > > > several

> > > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if

> they

> > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in

> physical

> > > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-mortem

> such

> > > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or

it

> is

> > > > > also

> > > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there are

> > > > > following

> > > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh and

> > > > Ahankar

> > > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we at

> > > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating them

> > > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have

> > filtered

> > > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2 blood

> > > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in

this

> > world

> > > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis and

> > > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and interpretation

> > > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and

shri

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group

> did

> > not

> > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive

lagnauages,

> > violent

> > > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> > standards.If

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive

> > criticism

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there

is

> no

> > > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly

people

> > > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting

that

> > > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do

> > homework

> > > > > > before we

> > > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and

can

> be

> > > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he

> > wants --

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For

> those

> > > > who

> > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they

> can.For

> > me

> > > > > > joining

> > > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is

my

> > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live and

> let

> > > > live.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls

> treat

> > > > > these as

> > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual

> > fire,then

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean

in

> > shloka

> > > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised -

from

> > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with prayers

> to

> > Lord.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that

> Year

> > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is

the

> > Horse?

> > > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail your

> > > > > meditative

> > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava

or

> the

> > > > one

> > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you

think

> of

> > any

> > > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is

> being

> > > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one

can

> > > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the

> body

> > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is

left

> > within

> > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning and

> > > > > smelling

> > > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night

> > with .Which

> > > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni

(agni

> is

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16 priests

> are

> > > > > present.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is

> transcending

> > and

> > > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both

> levels

> > are

> > > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda

helpful

> by

> > > > any

> > > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble

> > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am raising

my

> > > > > doubts

> > > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable

> > splendour

> > > > > was

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

Rao "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my interpretation.

I

> > am a

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> > scholarship is

> > > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the writings

of

> > > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several

> meanings.

> > To

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain

> > wavelength

> > > > > has

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine

> > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas and

> > other

> > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini

> Sutram),

> > a

> > > > > lot of

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of

> them

> > are

> > > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her

> wish

> > that

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big

way

> in

> > > > this

> > > > > > age.

> > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now

> and

> > then,

> > > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the

full 'screen

> > play'

> > > > > of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and

that

> > She is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take

> things

> > very

> > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our roles

> in

> > the

> > > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> > interpretation. If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While

some

> > > > > > commentators

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will

go

> > with

> > > > > fire

> > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here

> where

> > > > the

> > > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> > interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her duty

> > > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable

splendor

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her

duty,

> > > > Queen

> > > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was

> > burning

> > > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or,

more

> > likely,

> > > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests

were

> > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a dead

> > horse

> > > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has

been

> > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> > > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is

quite

> > > > > something.

> > > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and

meditate

> > > > > sitting

> > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part

of

> the

> > > > > night,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > ---------------

--

> --

> > ----

> > > > -

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality:

vedic-

> > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > > > ---------------

--

> --

> > ----

> > > > -

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in

the

> > > > > context

> > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the

link

> to

> > the

> > > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca

cetasaa

> |

> > > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma

> kaamyayaa

> > || 1-

> > > > > 14-

> > > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena cha

> > > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa=

> dharma,

> > > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with

> > horse,

> > > > for

> > > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that

> > swiftly

> > > > > flew

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated

> with

> > the

> > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam

> > rajaniim

> > > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew

> away.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual

> > > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away like

a

> > bird.

> > > > > [1-

> > > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , Shashie

> > Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki Ramayana

> and

> > some

> > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn Astrology,tried

to

> > > > > search

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could

> > succeed to

> > > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some other

> > Ramayna

> > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

November 7, 2007

Dear Sunil,

It was obvious what you were looking for. The astrologer was humble

and simple. I didn't find ego or arrogance at all. However, he took

some fee from me, and it was OK for me to pay the fee. He said that

he was going to use part of that fee towards some spiritual project

back in his town.

I noticed great auro in his presence.

Regards,

Satya Sai Kolachina

, " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2002 wrote:

>

> Om Datta Guru

> Dear Satya,

> I felt very happy reading ur experience. I always feel pious souls

can

> easily get correct guidance and predictions if approaching the

> astrologer with good bhavana.

>

> Just one question out of curiosity did u find the astrologer having

ego

> or superiority complex, or arrogant, ofcourse I understand its too

short

> a meeting to notice/judge anyone on that, still curious

>

> best wishes

> Sunil John

>

> , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> <skolachi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > Please see my response below.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Satya Sai ji,

> > >

> > > Absolutely right Sir.

> > > When a native visits a spiritual astrologer with

> > > his chart, by the time the chart will be out and

> > > opened in front of this astrologer, the major

> > > issue in natives Life,would have already stricken

> > > the astrologer in his mind through the intuition.

> >

> > You mentioned it crystal clear. It happened to me some yrs ago,

when

> > I met a spiritual astrologer with my own horoscope. Incidentally

he

> > was also a Nadi astrologer from Kumbhakonam, Tamilnadu.

> >

> > He opened my horoscope and went into trans mode, and started

giving

> > me the reading/prediction, and his spiritual advice. So far,

> > whatever he predicted for me till today, happened 100%. It was the

> > first time (and so far the last time) I saw how a spiritually

> > oriented astrologer gave me such stunning predictions. Not only

his

> > predictions, his spiritual advice also helped me very well.

> >

> > He gave predictions to my wife, and they are also 100% correct so

> > far.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Satya Sai Kolachina

> >

> > >

> > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sru Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Also those who attain awakening go beyond the minus

> > > > > points of their charts, and the charts have no no more

> > > > > use or of any meaning,to be looked

> > > > > into, for it may not reveal.if a person has through his

> > > > > sheer will power, and strength of efforts, able to

> > > > > create a strong spiritual power, the Horoscope

> > > > > ceases to be, for such persons.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > SK:

> > > > This is very much true, for various reasons. The planets

> > typically

> > > > that cause Kundalini awakening, or even spiritual realization

> > are

> > > > malefic to materialistic side of life; what I mean is, that

the

> > > > natural malefic planets are more involved in spiritual

> > > > realizationa/awakening of the native.

> > > >

> > > > Hence the normal non-spiritual astrologers cannot distinguish

> > > > whether these natural malefics are going to influence the

> > spiritual

> > > > side of life of the native, or just going to damage their

> > > > character/human nature by diverting the native towards

> > involvement

> > > > in unwanted/non-social activities. For example, the same

eighth

> > > > house and its lord are responsible for indulging in non-social

> > > > activities as well as spiritual awakening. Therefore, it is

> > always

> > > > aa REQUIREMENT for an astrologer to be SPIRITUAL. An

astrologer

> > who

> > > > is not spiritual, cannot predict many hidden matters

> > (represented by

> > > > the Dusthaanas) in a horoscope. This is the very reason I

always

> > > > mentioned in my past messages, that an astrologer HAS TO BE

> > > > SPIRITUAL; there i no choice. Astrology is also a subject

> > governed

> > > > by 8th house/lord. If the astrologer's own 8th house does not

> > divert

> > > > him towards spirituality, how he/she can find the 8th house

> > matters

> > > > of others' horoscopes?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol " <litsol@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil John,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge

kundalini

> > > > awakening

> > > > > > experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful

to

> > > > discover

> > > > > > various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp

brahman,

> > > > going

> > > > > > beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent

> > planets

> > > > can

> > > > > > indicate it but cant tell u much.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > > > > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear PVR,

> > > > > > > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission

> > to

> > > > use his

> > > > > > > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start

Date'

> > if

> > > > not i

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > sorry for this mail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me

as

> > i

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May 11, 1979

> > > > > > > Time: 0:15:00

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > > > > > > Mumbai Sion, India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is

his

> > MD

> > > > & lord

> > > > > > > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways

> > Pisces

> > > > is in

> > > > > > 12/6

> > > > > > > axis. Venus is the AK

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig

Dasa

> > of

> > > > AD

> > > > > > lord Ven

> > > > > > > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened

> > during

> > > > this

> > > > > > > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H

> > in

> > > > D20 in

> > > > > > > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but

> > then

> > > > working

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of

softwares.

> > > > > > Intuitively I

> > > > > > > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such

cases.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an

> > awakened

> > > > > > > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the

birthdata.

> > > > Please

> > > > > > send

> > > > > > > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > > > > > > and not see mails here). Please indicate

> > whether

> > > > the

> > > > > > data

> > > > > > > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want,

> > you

> > > > can give

> > > > > > > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me

the

> > > > name,

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or

whether

> > I

> > > > can

> > > > > > reveal

> > > > > > > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep

> > > > everything

> > > > > > secret

> > > > > > > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to

reveal

> > the

> > > > data.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening.

The

> > 8th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in

> > > > reverse) are

> > > > > > > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

> > > > important.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened

> > > > clients.

> > > > > > Once I

> > > > > > > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person

> > had a

> > > > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back.

> > So I

> > > > took a

> > > > > > > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini

> > > > awakening in

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a

> > week

> > > > > > pondering

> > > > > > > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He

> > read

> > > > vedanta

> > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then

who

> > am

> > > > I?

> > > > > > Please

> > > > > > > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few

days,

> > he

> > > > had a

> > > > > > > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness

> > was

> > > > leaving

> > > > > > > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity

flowing

> > up

> > > > in his

> > > > > > > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see

> > certain

> > > > > > scenes.

> > > > > > > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a

> > clear

> > > > vision

> > > > > > > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him

> > > > somewhere

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > showed some things.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in

> > seeing

> > > > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > ---------------------

---

> > ----

> > > > ---

> > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > Spirituality: vedic-

wisdom

> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > ---------------------

---

> > ----

> > > > ---

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " litsol " litsol@

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > > > > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life,

the

> > > > > > hypothetical

> > > > > > > > > case given by you itself is also an example of

> > activated

> > > > > > kundalini.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and

> > then to

> > > > > > liberate

> > > > > > > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall -

> > " satyam

> > > > shivam

> > > > > > > > > sundaram " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest

> > > > enjoying his

> > > > > > > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened

and

> > he

> > > > must

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with

> > hypothetical

> > > > > > cases,

> > > > > > > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily

> > practical

> > > > life,

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact

> > awakening

> > > > the

> > > > > > self,

> > > > > > > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with

> > some

> > > > yogas

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts

> > along

> > > > with

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the

more

> > > > power is

> > > > > > > > > realized.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization?

> > Suppose

> > > > a

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his

life

> > in

> > > > > > peaceful

> > > > > > > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and

> > truthfulness

> > > > but he

> > > > > > > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> > > > > > jagran.Will he

> > > > > > > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is

> > concerned.These

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > depend

> > > > > > > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later

on

> > > > Satsang

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > God help those who help others and to think for

others

> > > > welfare

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of

> > > > divinity as i

> > > > > > > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy,

> > kundalini

> > > > > > > > (energy)

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric

> > current in

> > > > > > > > > electrict

> > > > > > > > > > wires.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our

> > body,

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna

> > (conciousness),

> > > > as ur

> > > > > > > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start

> > cleaning,

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > result,

> > > > > > > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up

ur

> > > > mind to

> > > > > > > > > receive

> > > > > > > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense.

thus

> > u

> > > > start

> > > > > > > > > realizing

> > > > > > > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya

devi

> > > > > > > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it,

> > that's

> > > > why i

> > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted

> > meera's

> > > > > > bhakti,

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in

upanishads

> > or

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by

> > > > kundalini

> > > > > > > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's

> > grace

> > > > is a

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad

man

> > > > knows a

> > > > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate

the

> > > > mantra

> > > > > > for a

> > > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his

kundalini

> > and

> > > > 6

> > > > > > > > > chakras,

> > > > > > > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti

> > works

> > > > not

> > > > > > ego

> > > > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon

for

> > him

> > > > or

> > > > > > curse,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat

he

> > can

> > > > get a

> > > > > > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , Shashie

Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that

> > we

> > > > read

> > > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga

> > etc.Ok,if

> > > > they

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body

> > in

> > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or

post-

> > > > mortem such

> > > > > > > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe

> > position or

> > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me

> > there

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh,

> > Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Ahankar

> > > > > > > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his

own

> > > > > > > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go

far.

> > > > > > > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial

atmosphere

> > > > > > > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a

dictatorial

> > > > > > > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi

> > (Peas)

> > > > > > > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits

because

> > we

> > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue

eating

> > them

> > > > > > > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must

> > have

> > > > > > filtered

> > > > > > > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even

2

> > blood

> > > > > > > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views,

in

> > same

> > > > > > > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in

search

> > of

> > > > > > > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place

> > in

> > > > this

> > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi

> > Munis

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to

> > abuse

> > > > > > > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and

> > interpretation

> > > > > > > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on

> > Forums.

> > > > > > > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be

proved

> > > > > > > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji

> > and

> > > > shri

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a

> > group

> > > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive

> > > > lagnauages,

> > > > > > violent

> > > > > > > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the

expected

> > > > > > standards.If

> > > > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid

> > those.Contructive

> > > > > > criticism

> > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but

> > there

> > > > is no

> > > > > > > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will

elderly

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were

> > suspecting

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let

us

> > do

> > > > > > homework

> > > > > > > > > > before we

> > > > > > > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own

opinion

> > and

> > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine

> > as he

> > > > > > wants --

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Even during previous discussions -

Rashi/Varga -

> > For

> > > > those

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra

they

> > > > can.For

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > joining

> > > > > > > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be

> > different.It is

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist -

> > live

> > > > and let

> > > > > > > > live.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar "

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at

times,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not

> > think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone

would be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars

> > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji

discuss

> > > > > > > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn

many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under

> > discussion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for

certain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify

> > them.Pls

> > > > treat

> > > > > > > > > these as

> > > > > > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is

> > ritual

> > > > > > fire,then

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam''

> > mean

> > > > in

> > > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being

> > raised -

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with

> > > > prayers to

> > > > > > Lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is

mentioned

> > that

> > > > Year

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then

what

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > Horse?

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to

curtail

> > your

> > > > > > > > > meditative

> > > > > > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a

> > Parava

> > > > or the

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can

you

> > > > think of

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is

> > that is

> > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by

which

> > one

> > > > can

> > > > > > > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it(

year)

> > the

> > > > body

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri

> > is

> > > > left

> > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the

> > burning

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > smelling

> > > > > > > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the

> > night

> > > > > > with .Which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to

agni

> > > > (agni is

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16

> > > > priests are

> > > > > > > > > present.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is

> > > > transcending

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at

> > both

> > > > levels

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig

Veda

> > > > helpful by

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my

> > humble

> > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am

> > > > raising my

> > > > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your

> > translation.Stable

> > > > > > splendour

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and

chetas).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Narasimha

> > > > Rao "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact

shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my

> > > > interpretation. I

> > > > > > am a

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> > > > > > scholarship is

> > > > > > > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the

> > > > writings of

> > > > > > > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several

> > > > meanings.

> > > > > > To

> > > > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your

> > brain

> > > > > > wavelength

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with

> > divine

> > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats,

> > Puranas

> > > > and

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and

Jaimini

> > > > Sutram),

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > lot of

> > > > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but

most

> > of

> > > > them

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It

is

> > Her

> > > > wish

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a

> > big

> > > > way in

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > age.

> > > > > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should

come

> > now

> > > > and

> > > > > > then,

> > > > > > > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the

> > > > full 'screen

> > > > > > play'

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama

> > and

> > > > that

> > > > > > She is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and

> > take

> > > > things

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play

our

> > > > roles in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a

drama.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> > > > > > interpretation. If

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this

> > fool.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also.

> > While

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > commentators

> > > > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse,

I

> > will

> > > > go

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire

ritual

> > here

> > > > where

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> > > > > > interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow

> > her

> > > > duty

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable

> > > > splendor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow

> > her

> > > > duty,

> > > > > > > > Queen

> > > > > > > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire

that

> > was

> > > > > > burning

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire

> > or,

> > > > more

> > > > > > likely,

> > > > > > > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The

> > priests

> > > > were

> > > > > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night

also.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or

a

> > > > > > > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > > > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer

to a

> > > > dead

> > > > > > horse

> > > > > > > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That

phrase

> > has

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in

> > place

> > > > > > > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night

> > is

> > > > quite

> > > > > > > > > something.

> > > > > > > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day

and

> > > > meditate

> > > > > > > > > sitting

> > > > > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early

> > part

> > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > night,

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

---

> > ----

> > > > -----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > vedic-

> > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > > > > > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

---

> > ----

> > > > -----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok

> > described in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > context

> > > > > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided

> > the

> > > > link to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ;

shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena

ca

> > > > cetasaa |

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma

> > > > kaamyayaa

> > > > > > || 1-

> > > > > > > > > 14-

> > > > > > > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya;

> > susthitena cha

> > > > > > > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma

> > kaamaayaa=

> > > > dharma,

> > > > > > > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa

saartham=

> > with

> > > > > > horse,

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird,

one

> > that

> > > > > > swiftly

> > > > > > > > > flew

> > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is

> > equated

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations;

> > ekaam

> > > > > > rajaniim

> > > > > > > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse

that

> > flew

> > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of

> > ritual

> > > > > > > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew

away

> > > > like a

> > > > > > bird.

> > > > > > > > > [1-

> > > > > > > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > Shashie

> > > > > > Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki

> > > > Ramayana and

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn

> > > > Astrology,tried to

> > > > > > > > > search

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one

> > could

> > > > > > succeed to

> > > > > > > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written

some

> > > > other

> > > > > > Ramayna

> > > > > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

November 8, 2007

Dear Lalit,

I understand your point.

Parasara talks about certain astrological combinations in the charts

of Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, Dharmaraja etc, implying that astrology

works for their charts too.

If astrology applies even to a poorna avatara such as Krishna, what

about mere sadhakas who have an awakened Kundalini?

My take is that planets and astrology define how much scope is there

for free will to operate. In other words, they define the

*restrictions* on free will. One's so-called free will is not

entirely free and restricted to certain set of possibilities based on

previous karmas and astrology throws light on them.

If somebody's ego is becoming lighter and one's self-identification

with gross things is becoming smaller and self-identification with

subtler things is increasing, and as a result, if someone's free will

is expanding, then planets can indicate it in the dasas and transits.

Only when the notions of individual self has been completely

destroyed, one has surrendered fully to god, the ownership of all

actions (but not necessarily actions) has been completely given up by

the mind and the free will has been completely merged with divine

will, can planets become irrelevant.

This is my humble view. More learned scholars can disagree with me.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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> Dear Narsimha,

>

> Yes, it's right, but one thing that troubles to me is, even with

> partial awakening, one gets tremendous will power, it's like what u

> think, mother nature just makes that possible for you.

>

> this rise in will power, means free will, free will means again

> reduction of planetary influence, how we can fix it, because it's

the

> indicator of awakening along with knowledge and hapiness that one

> gets during the awakening.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > Kundalini awakening as such is not a nirguna/nirvikalp state. A

> > person whose Kundalini is awakened and rising may have a

heightened

> > state of mental concentration and focus and may be experiencing

> > things that are in this universe that a normal person does not

> > perceive, but the experiences are still within the field of

duality

> > (which is saguna). As long as a person operates within the field

of

> > duality with a sense of doership of one's thoughts and actions,

one

> > is bound by the laws of karma and hence planets play a role.

After

> > kundalini becomes perfectly purified, the person drops all

> > conditioning and experiences the nirguna state (nirvikalpa

> samadhi),

> > THEN planets have no influence and thus astrology is useless.

> >

> > But until then, astrology should work.

> >

> > The only problem is that our understanding of astrology is weak

and

> > imperfect unlike that of rishis. Thus, we may be unable to do

> justice.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------------

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> > -------------------------------

> >

> > , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil John,

> > >

> > > I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini

> > awakening

> > > experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to

> > discover

> > > various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

> > >

> > > kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman,

> going

> > > beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent

planets

> > can

> > > indicate it but cant tell u much.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear PVR,

> > > > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to

use

> > his

> > > > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if

> not

> > i

> > > am

> > > > sorry for this mail.

> > > >

> > > > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i

> have

> > > been

> > > > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> > > >

> > > > May 11, 1979

> > > > Time: 0:15:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > > > Mumbai Sion, India

> > > >

> > > > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> > > >

> > > > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD

&

> > lord

> > > > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces

is

> > in

> > > 12/6

> > > > axis. Venus is the AK

> > > >

> > > > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of

AD

> > > lord Ven

> > > > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during

this

> > > > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> > > >

> > > > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in

D20

> in

> > > > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then

> > working

> > > on

> > > > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> > > Intuitively I

> > > > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> > > > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata.

> Please

> > > send

> > > > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > > > and not see mails here). Please indicate whether

> the

> > > data

> > > > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you

can

> > give

> > > > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the

name,

> > > please

> > > > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I

> can

> > > reveal

> > > > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep

> everything

> > > secret

> > > > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal

the

> > data.

> > > > >

> > > > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th

> > house

> > > > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in

reverse)

> > are

> > > > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

> > important.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened

clients.

> > > Once I

> > > > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a

> > > Kundalini

> > > > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I

> > took a

> > > > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini

awakening

> > in

> > > that

> > > > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week

> > > pondering

> > > > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read

> > vedanta

> > > etc

> > > > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am

> I?

> > > Please

> > > > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he

> had a

> > > > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was

> > leaving

> > > > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up

> in

> > his

> > > > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see

certain

> > > scenes.

> > > > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear

> vision

> > > > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him

> somewhere

> > > and

> > > > > showed some things.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing

> > > Kundalini.

> > > > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > ---------------------------

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> > > > >

> > > > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> > > hypothetical

> > > > > > case given by you itself is also an example of activated

> > > kundalini.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then

to

> > > liberate

> > > > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam

> > shivam

> > > > > > sundaram " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest

> enjoying

> > his

> > > > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he

> must

> > > get

> > > > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with

hypothetical

> > > cases,

> > > > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical

> > life,

> > > do

> > > > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening

the

> > > self,

> > > > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some

> > yogas

> > > or

> > > > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along

> > with

> > > good

> > > > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more

> power

> > is

> > > > > > realized.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose

a

> > > person

> > > > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in

> > > peaceful

> > > > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness

> but

> > he

> > > > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> > > jagran.Will he

> > > > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These

> are

> > > > > depend

> > > > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on

> > Satsang

> > > and

> > > > > > God help those who help others and to think for others

> > welfare

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of

divinity

> > as i

> > > > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy,

kundalini

> > > > > (energy)

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current

in

> > > > > > electrict

> > > > > > > wires.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body,

> our

> > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness),

> as

> > ur

> > > > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start

cleaning,

> as

> > a

> > > > > > result,

> > > > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur

mind

> to

> > > > > > receive

> > > > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u

> start

> > > > > > realizing

> > > > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's

> why i

> > > > > asked

> > > > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted

meera's

> > > bhakti,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or

> > other

> > > > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by

> kundalini

> > > > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace

> is

> > a

> > > must

> > > > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man

> knows a

> > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the

> mantra

> > > for a

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini

and 6

> > > > > > chakras,

> > > > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works

> not

> > > ego

> > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him

> or

> > > curse,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he

can

> > get a

> > > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we

read

> > > > > several

> > > > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if

> > they

> > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in

> > physical

> > > > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or post-

mortem

> > such

> > > > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position

or

> it

> > is

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there

are

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh

and

> > > > > Ahankar

> > > > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we

at

> > > > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating

them

> > > > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have

> > > filtered

> > > > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2

blood

> > > > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in

> this

> > > world

> > > > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis

and

> > > > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and

interpretation

> > > > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and

> shri

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a

group

> > did

> > > not

> > > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive

> lagnauages,

> > > violent

> > > > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> > > standards.If

> > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive

> > > criticism

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but

there

> is

> > no

> > > > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly

> people

> > > > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting

> that

> > > > > there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do

> > > homework

> > > > > > > before we

> > > > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and

> can

> > be

> > > > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as

he

> > > wants --

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga -

For

> > those

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they

> > can.For

> > > me

> > > > > > > joining

> > > > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It

is

> my

> > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live

and

> > let

> > > > > live.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls

> > treat

> > > > > > these as

> > > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual

> > > fire,then

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean

> in

> > > shloka

> > > > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised -

> from

> > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with

prayers

> > to

> > > Lord.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned

that

> > Year

> > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is

> the

> > > Horse?

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail

your

> > > > > > meditative

> > > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava

> or

> > the

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you

> think

> > of

> > > any

> > > > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that

is

> > being

> > > > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which

one

> can

> > > > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the

> > body

> > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is

> left

> > > within

> > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning

and

> > > > > > smelling

> > > > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night

> > > with .Which

> > > > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to agni

> (agni

> > is

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16

priests

> > are

> > > > > > present.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is

> > transcending

> > > and

> > > > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both

> > levels

> > > are

> > > > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda

> helpful

> > by

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble

> > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am

raising

> my

> > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable

> > > splendour

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

> Rao "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my

interpretation.

> I

> > > am a

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> > > scholarship is

> > > > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the

writings

> of

> > > > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several

> > meanings.

> > > To

> > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain

> > > wavelength

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine

> > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas

and

> > > other

> > > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini

> > Sutram),

> > > a

> > > > > > lot of

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of

> > them

> > > are

> > > > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her

> > wish

> > > that

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big

> way

> > in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > age.

> > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come

now

> > and

> > > then,

> > > > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the

> full 'screen

> > > play'

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and

> that

> > > She is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take

> > things

> > > very

> > > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our

roles

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> > > interpretation. If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While

> some

> > > > > > > commentators

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I

will

> go

> > > with

> > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual

here

> > where

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> > > interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her

duty

> > > > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable

> splendor

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her

> duty,

> > > > > Queen

> > > > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that

was

> > > burning

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or,

> more

> > > likely,

> > > > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests

> were

> > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a

dead

> > > horse

> > > > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has

> been

> > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> > > > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is

> quite

> > > > > > something.

> > > > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and

> meditate

> > > > > > sitting

> > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part

> of

> > the

> > > > > > night,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > > -------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > ----

> > > > > -

> > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality:

> vedic-

> > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > -------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > ----

> > > > > -

> > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described

in

> the

> > > > > > context

> > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the

> link

> > to

> > > the

> > > > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca

> cetasaa

> > |

> > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma

> > kaamyayaa

> > > || 1-

> > > > > > 14-

> > > > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena

cha

> > > > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa=

> > dharma,

> > > > > > > desiring ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham=

with

> > > horse,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one

that

> > > swiftly

> > > > > > flew

> > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is

equated

> > with

> > > the

> > > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam

> > > rajaniim

> > > > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that

flew

> > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of

ritual

> > > > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away

like

> a

> > > bird.

> > > > > > [1-

> > > > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Shashie

> > > Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki

Ramayana

> > and

> > > some

> > > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn

Astrology,tried

> to

> > > > > > search

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could

> > > succeed to

> > > > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some

other

> > > Ramayna

> > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

November 8, 2007

Dear Narasimha,

Though I am not an expert in this area, I believe in what you have satated. If

I can give an analogy -

Consider the lifespan of an individual as a tunnel stretching from birth to

death. The diameter of this tunnel is a variable along the length and it

increases or decreases at any point in time based on one's karma. Assuming that

the native is capable of flying through this tunnel of life, the level at which

he flies is determined by a combination of karma (constraints of diameter) and

freewill (height above the floor) at any given point in time. By using his free

will he can fly near the roof of the tunnel and by not using the free will he

may have to crawl on the floor.

Please let me know your views on this analogy.

Regards,

Krishna

Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote: