Kundalini Jagran/Bhaskar/Kalachakra Dasa

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Om Datta Guru

Dear Bhaskar,

Thanks for ur kind comments on my life, i agree with ur points too. The

relative term i missed in my mail and u have aptly expanded on it well.

In order to keep this mail with some flavor of astro my comments below

 

> A person while having sex, if he remembers

> and recites the Gods name mentally and thanks

> him for the pleasure recieved so(Those Mantras

> which are not carrying any pre-requisites or

> conditions, for instance the Shodash akshara

> Mahamantra)is actually able to sustain the act

> 4 times prolonged than what normally

> he is capable of. This is one of the hidden

> unknown secrest to common men, but in this

> case the person has otherwise too,to remember the

> Lords name most of the day, to enable him

> to remember on aforesaid moments, and the

> primary cause would not be to prolong, but to thank

> and offer all pleasures to God, as coming from Him.

 

SJ: I was not aware of this that it prolongs the act 4 times, what i was

told is to repeat the name of God as in that state it is most easy to

connect with God when the final release is about to happen i haven't

tried it but if i remember well the great work 'Conversations with God'

also talks about the same. Anyways lets close this part of the topic as

some Pseudo purists will find it repulsive. In case you are interested

do refer to this book CWG where the act of copulation has been so so

metaphysically described in a beautiful form.

 

> One never knows when a bad man may turn a saint

> like angulimala, or a King may turn to ascetism,

> like Prince Yashodhan

 

SJ: Yes so true, most astrologers see a chart in a jiffy and term the

person sexual addict or so and so, but the beauty of a chart is to see

if there is change and when it would happen. It seems that couple of

pornstars from the west later changed their paths into spiritual paths,

not that i consider pornstars bad human beings but seeing such dramatic

change in charts is the fun behind the mystery of decoding charts. There

used to be a pornstar by the name of Parker, can't recollect her first

name she later went into complete spirituality if someone has that chart

kindly post it here or in private.

 

Do u work with Kalachakra dasa, would u know a software that calculates

Santhanams method of KCD correctly to the T. Thats a dasa i am so

desperate to learn and delve deeper.

 

In case my reply to ur mail is delayed pls do not mind as work pressures

mounting.

 

best wishes

SJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil John,

>

> Exactly . No one would say that He is realised,

> because the moment he says this, he ceases to

> be one realised.

>

> I agree to all what You have mentioned in Your

> mail. Also the punchline, that spirituality is

> a personal matter and I would add that " Spirituality "

> is a relative term. For instance, One person may be

> Non Veg. but yet more spiritual than most of us

> Vegetarians. He may kiss a women in public, yet be

> better morally than most of us, who kiss behind

> closed doors. Why ? Because, he was born in

> a foreign country where this may be a way of Life.

> Any person who comes up from the circumstances

> he was born in,progressively,is Spiritual.

>

> I would add something here which may not be

> astrological, but Hot for the talibanists.

> A person while having sex, if he remembers

> and recites the Gods name mentally and thanks

> him for the pleasure recieved so(Those Mantras

> which are not carrying any pre-requisites or

> conditions, for instance the Shodash akshara

> Mahamantra)is actually able to sustain the act

> 4 times prolonged than what normally

> he is capable of. This is one of the hidden

> unknown secrest to common men, but in this

> case the person has otherwise too,to remember the

> Lords name most of the day, to enable him

> to remember on aforesaid moments, and the

> primary cause would not be to prolong, but to thank

> and offer all pleasures to God, as coming from Him.

>

> In Pooja while worship if mood comes, a person

> singing Film songs may also be called as spiritual, if he

> devotes those songs to His Lord. Of course the

> songs he sings for the Lord, have to be chosen carefully

> and should be addressed to Him, and not

> contain cheap words.

>

> It is like when you buy a cow, the Milk comes free,

> thus the prolongation comes free with remembearance

> and thanks, which rememberance and thanks also has to be

> done million of times during the week, before

> eating food, when getting up in morning, when acquiring

> good business, money,wealth, going to a movie and

> enjoying, or enjoying company of friends etc. This has

> to become part of life.

>

> Anyway sorry I am speaking something which

> many may not like, and not understand at this point,

> or may not understand at all. This is a part of

> Tantra.As I mentioned in my previous

> mail I never talk without having experienced myself,

> or not having known, or not having heard directly

> from a venerated person.

>

> One never knows when a bad man may turn a saint

> like angulimala, or a King may turn to ascetism,

> like Prince Yashodhan (In this case of course the

> astrologers had already warned the King,his Father).

> Or a householder like Swami Prabhupada may leave

> his home and create a great institution like ISCKON.

> These are the points of change which a smart

> astrologer into research, may look for and point

> out with his expertise.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear All,

> > The chart that i had posted was of the 'Start Date' of the process &

not

> > a date of 'Fully realised' hence i had written Jagran Start Date in

the

> > note in that mail.

> >

> > I wonder if anyone who is fully realised will ever tell he is

realised,

> > the very act of telling that can at times mean such a sadhak is not

> > realised.

> >

> > Bhaskar

> > > But talking about forecasting such matters one

> > > would receive zero response. In 99% of the charts

> > > given out of 100, to a astrologer, it would be

> > > difficult for people to predict whether this native

> > > is spiritual or not.

> > I agree with u here

> >

> > This type of talking is normally done

> > > on postmartem charts, where they pick up charts

> > > on people who are already known to be spiritual and

> > > their Life history is known to all, then the rules

> > > are fitted to be shown in accordance with the persons

> > > Life events.

> > SJ: u are right its mostly post mortem, but the fun & bliss of

astrology

> > is taking 20 charts and trying to find the patterns. I was happy to

read

> > my own observation on just 2 charts fitting with what PVR wrote and

> > thats satisfying.

> >

> > Coming to spirituality & judging others, i wanted to write in

response

> > to Lalit's mail to me that if there is an astrologer a real one he

> > would never judge others spirituality/experiences and judging others

is

> > not the objective of jyotish. Some see God while having sex, for

> > talibanists of astrology this is blasphemy. Spirituality is a

personal

> > topic and private, not meant for public forum discussions anyways

> > otherwise one gets labelled as a Showoff unfortunately.

> >

> >

> > On his other point, to know what astrology is capable of and not it

> > takes decades or lifetimes to understand its capability.

> >

> > In Sreenadhs list he ridiculed when i mentioned that name of person

&

> > his relatives, the company he would work can be predicted through

> > astrology. He went on his famous immature bull run trying to

ridicule

> > it. 2 months later a prediction made on a member of his list (of the

> > starting akshara of the company he would work ) for made Sreenadh

bite

> > his own words & come running asking for the technique. Only when we

> > learn enough of astrology we realise how little we know and how much

we

> > do not know the capability of astrology, this advanced stage makes

us

> > humble, when it creates ego it only means the person has not

understood

> > what astrology is - this is simple and crystal clear. Such an

astrologer

> > will never make judgements or pass views of what is the capability

of

> > astrology etc etc

> >

> > best

> > SJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalitji,

> > >

> > > Astrology is fully equipped to judge anything,

> > > but astrologers are not.

> > > People cant read Vimsamsa properly, trying

> > > to judge Kundali awakenings in charts would be

> > > a far fetched order.

> > > When a person is going to really turn spiritual in

> > > his Life, the astrologers cannot point out.

> > > Whether a person is going to turn to spiritualism

> > > and leave his home at " amuk " age, no astrologer can

> > > forecast. This type of talking is normally done

> > > on postmartem charts, where they pick up charts

> > > on people who are already known to be spiritual and

> > > their Life history is known to all, then the rules

> > > are fitted to be shown in accordance with the persons

> > > Life events.

> > >

> > > But talking about forecasting such matters one

> > > would receive zero response. In 99% of the charts

> > > given out of 100, to a astrologer, it would be

> > > difficult for people to predict whether this native

> > > is spiritual or not.

> > >

> > > The people who have awakened Kundalis , the base

> > > would certainly be present in the chart, but to

> > > know the process of attainment (Without knowing the

> > > native and no access to his history), one would

> > > not be able to predict the same.

> > >

> > > It would be diffcicult to get more than 3 charts

> > > of awakened Kundalis, and authenticity depends on

> > > the source of acquittal.

> > >

> > > Where sources are not solid, many question marks would

> > > pertain all the way round, in ones study.

> > >

> > > One more matter. Those who turn saints ( Here

> > > I am using this term for awakened persons), they

> > > also must be having some past, just like every robber

> > > has a future.So all the more difficult for a person

> > > not knowing the Kundali owner - to predict.

> > >

> > > Also those who attain awakening go beyond the minus

> > > points of their charts, and the charts have no no more

> > > use or of any meaning,to be looked

> > > into, for it may not reveal.if a person has through his

> > > sheer will power, and strength of efforts, able to

> > > create a strong spiritual power, the Horoscope

> > > ceases to be, for such persons.

> > >

> > > But for astrologers who are also Spiritual , like

> > > Narsimharaoji, maybe the revealing would come through

> > > intuition if not through the configurations

> > > present , in the chart.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil John,

> > > >

> > > > I dont think astrology is fully equipped to judge kundalini

> > awakening

> > > > experiences, I wish given research data should be helpful to

> > discover

> > > > various combinations leading to kundalini awakening.

> > > >

> > > > kundalni awakening meand going to nirakar nirvikalp brahman,

going

> > > > beyond the influence of astro bodies, so, to some extent planets

can

> > > > indicate it but cant tell u much.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear PVR,

> > > > > Pls find birthdata of an individual, have his permission to

use

> > his

> > > > > birth data. I presume u are talking about the 'Start Date' if

not

> > i

> > > > am

> > > > > sorry for this mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > If u have birth datas that u can share it will help me as i

have

> > > > been

> > > > > working on the same topic with Drig Dasa

> > > > >

> > > > > May 11, 1979

> > > > > Time: 0:15:00

> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 72 E 51' 00 " , 19 N 02' 00 "

> > > > > Mumbai Sion, India

> > > > >

> > > > > Kundalini Jagaran Start 7th June 2007

> > > > >

> > > > > Drig Dasa: Pi/Vi/Vi - Vi is his 12H in D20, Pisces is his MD

&

> > lord

> > > > > Venus with Rahu ketu (if we take true nodes), anyways Pisces

is in

> > > > 12/6

> > > > > axis. Venus is the AK

> > > > >

> > > > > In another chart that i have it is happening in Drig Dasa of

AD

> > > > lord Ven

> > > > > which has gone in the 8th house from lagna (happened during

this

> > > > > navratri) and Pd was of 8th from Rahu/ketu

> > > > >

> > > > > My personal observation (on just 2 charts so far) is 9H in

D20 in

> > > > > kalachakra dasa is important in the dasa sequence, but then

> > working

> > > > on

> > > > > Kalachakra dasa is tough due to limitations of softwares.

> > > > Intuitively I

> > > > > feel kalachakra dasa might be more important in such cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If anybody believes that they know somebody with an awakened

> > > > > > Kundalini, I will be interested in having the birthdata.

Please

> > > > send

> > > > > > the birthdata to pvr@ (I will soon stop checking this

> > > > > > and not see mails here). Please indicate whether

the

> > > > data

> > > > > > is secretive or I can share with others. If you want, you

can

> > give

> > > > > > the name or keep the name secretive. If you give me the

name,

> > > > please

> > > > > > indicate whether the name should be secretive or whether I

can

> > > > reveal

> > > > > > it when I discus the chart. If you want, I can keep

everything

> > > > secret

> > > > > > and not reveal the name and data both.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have some charts, but do not have permission to reveal the

> > data.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > IMHO, D-20 is the chart to see Kundalini awakening. The 8th

> > house

> > > > > > from lagna and the 8th house from nodes (reckoned in

reverse)

> > are

> > > > > > important. Nodes are important. The 12th house is also

> > important.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, one does not meet many Kundalini awakened

clients.

> > > > Once I

> > > > > > saw one D-20 in which I was convinced that the person had a

> > > > Kundalini

> > > > > > awakening in a specific year a couple of decades back. So I

took

> > a

> > > > > > chance and asked him directly if he had a Kundalini

awakening in

> > > > that

> > > > > > year. He said that he locked himself in a room for a week

> > > > pondering

> > > > > > on the question " who am I " and crying helplessly. He read

> > vedanta

> > > > etc

> > > > > > and wondered " am I this body that perishes. No. Then who am

I?

> > > > Please

> > > > > > show me who I am " and started to cry. After a few days, he

had a

> > > > > > death like experience. He felt that his self-awareness was

> > leaving

> > > > > > the body and he felt a big amount of electricity flowing up

in

> > his

> > > > > > back. He started to hear certain sounds loud and see certain

> > > > scenes.

> > > > > > He lost awareness of his physical body and he had a clear

vision

> > > > > > where a specific Hindu God held his hand and took him

somewhere

> > > > and

> > > > > > showed some things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have some idea about the astrological factors in seeing

> > > > Kundalini.

> > > > > > But this is an area where we need some data.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. dont take kundalini awakening as an isolated

> > > > > > > excercise,awakening is inherent to ur daily life, the

> > > > hypothetical

> > > > > > > case given by you itself is also an example of activated

> > > > kundalini.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the world is dominated by mother divine's maya and then to

> > > > liberate

> > > > > > > you there is again her grace or shakti. recall - " satyam

> > shivam

> > > > > > > sundaram " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, if a person remains truthfull as well as honest

enjoying

> > his

> > > > > > > life, means unknowingly his kundalini is awakened and he

must

> > > > get

> > > > > > > spiritual experiences too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pls. dont try to understand spirituality with hypothetical

> > > > cases,

> > > > > > > you may get pervert. take spirituality in daily practical

> > life,

> > > > do

> > > > > > > experiements there and enjoy the results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pls. note that kundalini awakening is in fact awakening

the

> > > > self,

> > > > > > > and it's not a physical excercise that u can do with some

> > yogas

> > > > or

> > > > > > > asanas, do yoga with applying ur heart and thoughts along

with

> > > > good

> > > > > > > karma in daily life. the more maya is cleared the more

power

> > is

> > > > > > > realized.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > What is the benefit or use of such realization? Suppose

a

> > > > person

> > > > > > > has passed away after 75 years of age to pass his life in

> > > > peaceful

> > > > > > > manner and going on the path of honesty and truthfulness

but

> > he

> > > > > > > never listens about the so called Kundalini or their

> > > > jagran.Will he

> > > > > > > not get Moksha etc? As far as sanskaar is concerned.These

are

> > > > > > depend

> > > > > > > on elders / family sanskaars in childhood and later on

Satsang

> > > > and

> > > > > > > God help those who help others and to think for others

welfare

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > the true grace of kind Almight and real feeling of

divinity as

> > i

> > > > > > > understand. Thanks for placing your views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Kundalini jagaran is realized flow of energy,

kundalini

> > > > > > (energy)

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > there in body otherwise how u r alive.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > surgery cant show u energy, do u see, electric current

in

> > > > > > > electrict

> > > > > > > > wires.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > now what is kundalini awakening ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as per my experience, there is a link between our body,

our

> > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > world and with our sanskaars and chetna (conciousness),

as

> > ur

> > > > > > > > kundalini awakens to go up, ur sanskaars start cleaning,

as

> > a

> > > > > > > result,

> > > > > > > > ur enjoy higher level of conciousness, opening up ur

mind to

> > > > > > > receive

> > > > > > > > and perceive so many things that u dont sense. thus u

start

> > > > > > > realizing

> > > > > > > > divine existance in daily worldly life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > your level of free will increases.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you need not read " Sarva Khalvidam Brahm " or " Ya devi

> > > > > > > > sarvabhuteshu ... rupen sansthita " ,You see it, that's

why i

> > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > you - what u have seen in ur life, when u quoted meera's

> > > > bhakti,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > wanted to know about ur bhakti.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Realizing in life that what is written in upanishads or

> > other

> > > > > > > > scriptures is very important. this is achieved by

kundalini

> > > > > > > > awakening, but there are chakras to unlock, God's grace

is a

> > > > must

> > > > > > > > here, that's why it's a wrong myth that if a bad man

knows a

> > > > > > > powerful

> > > > > > > > mantra, he may misuse it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > he cant misuse it coz, he is unable to activate the

mantra

> > > > for a

> > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > purpose coz, it's power is unlocked by his kundalini and

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> > > > > > > chakras,

> > > > > > > > unlocking them is at God's hand, here only bhakti works

not

> > > > ego

> > > > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That's why i scolded Mr. Pradeep, it was a boon for him

or

> > > > curse,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > doesnt know, then i asked him to goto amma sothat he can

get

> > a

> > > > > > > lesson

> > > > > > > > from Amma also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > Jai Ram ji ki

> > > > > > > > > You used the word Kundalini in your article that we

read

> > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > times in daily as Kundalini Jagran/Sahaj Yoga etc.Ok,if

they

> > > > are

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > slept position even they must be exist in our body in

> > physical

> > > > > > > > means,therefore at the time of any surgery or

post-mortem

> > such

> > > > > > > > Kundalini should be found in injured or safe position or

it

> > is

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > the matter of DVAITA or ADVAITAA.According to me there

are

> > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > seven Kundalinis as-Kam, Krodh, Mad,Lobh,Ershaya,Dwesh

and

> > > > > > Ahankar

> > > > > > > > that we must try to win.What is your opinion?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is not possible in this world to get a

> > > > > > > > > congenial atmosphere anywhere, not even in

> > > > > > > > > own house can we expect or demand a congenial

> > > > > > > > > atmosphere when there are many family

> > > > > > > > > members with various intelligence levels, styles

> > > > > > > > > of working, expressions, natures, how can we

> > > > > > > > > control all family members. Forget family

> > > > > > > > > members, can one even control his wife in his own

> > > > > > > > > room ? How many wives are there like Lakhsmi

> > > > > > > > > swabhava and how many are there like

> > > > > > > > > Chandika swabhav, I need not tell you,

> > > > > > > > > we can see all around near us. No need to go far.

> > > > > > > > > Do all runaway from their homes ? Never.

> > > > > > > > > That is our culture. In same way vipareet

> > > > > > > > > swabhava is the essence of this world, and

> > > > > > > > > without dualities Maya cannot exist. We

> > > > > > > > > can only break this and move ahead after

> > > > > > > > > attaining Samadhi, or awakening of Kunadlini

> > > > > > > > > and not before. I am sorry do not take my

> > > > > > > > > words as lecture or teaching. I am utmost

> > > > > > > > > small in all respects in front of You .

> > > > > > > > > I am just sharing my thoughts with you

> > > > > > > > > and not advising.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In same way we cannot expect congenial atmosphere

> > > > > > > > > in Forums, unless the owner maintains a dictatorial

> > > > > > > > > attitude, which exactly is not right, unless the

> > > > > > > > > language turns too abusive .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We do not stop cooking or eating matar ki sabzi (Peas)

> > > > > > > > > altogether or Ghobi(Cauliflower) or fruits because we

at

> > > > > > > > > times notice worms in them, but we continue eating

them

> > > > > > > > > in good faith that the ladies of our house, must have

> > > > filtered

> > > > > > > > > the vegetable before cutting and cooking them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Just as we dont leave our own homes, where even 2

blood

> > > > > > > > > brothers may not be able to match their views, in same

> > > > > > > > > way we are not expected to leave froups in search of

> > > > > > > > > better atmospheres, we will never find any place in

this

> > > > world

> > > > > > > > > with thetype of atmosphere we wish, only Rishi Munis

and

> > > > > > > > > Siddhas can create that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So let us be practical and ignore the unlikable

> > > > > > > > > and embrace the desired. We have to

> > > > > > > > > continue living in this world with its shades

> > > > > > > > > of positives and negatives, as they come to us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In this present issue, we were not the first to abuse

> > > > > > > > > anyone. The dirty and unholy article and

interpretation

> > > > > > > > > attracted the abuse. What else can one do on Forums.

> > > > > > > > > if someone does not understand the language

> > > > > > > > > of clean discussions and arguments. And we were

> > > > > > > > > doing our homework which is why we were

> > > > > > > > > inviting you people for proper interpretations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regarding the previous issue of Amsa, I was

> > > > > > > > > the only one who told you, that You may be proved

> > > > > > > > > right in few years to come, therefore

> > > > > > > > > please prepare your data, analysis, notes etc.

> > > > > > > > > and publish it when the time is ripe and

> > > > > > > > > you are ready.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You have always misunderstood me, and

> > > > > > > > > I hope you will realise in time to come ,

> > > > > > > > > that I am Your well wisher and here for unity,

> > > > > > > > > prosperity and affections between the members

> > > > > > > > > and sharing of knowledge to increase everyones

> > > > > > > > > individual knowledge, and not to create or

> > > > > > > > > enter into controversies, and neither to change

> > > > > > > > > the world, but change oneself , in all

> > > > > > > > > spheres.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Keechad mein Kamal ki tarah khilna hi

> > > > > > > > > jeevan hai. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So please stay like a Lotus and forget

> > > > > > > > > all dirty around you. The Lotus will

> > > > > > > > > not get its importance unless it rises in

> > > > > > > > > the dirt, which is its speciality.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

" vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not equate me with Chandrashekhar ji and

shri

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > > I am no scholar and it is only God's grace.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have fwdd the doubts to Chandrashekhar ji.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not blaming anyone in person ,but we as a group

did

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > provide

> > > > > > > > > > or mantain a congenial environment.Abusive

lagnauages,

> > > > violent

> > > > > > > > > > Offense,Threats ,Curses etc are not the expected

> > > > standards.If

> > > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > > let us(including me) try to avoid those.Contructive

> > > > criticism

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > different issue.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was expecting the environment to change ,but there

is

> > no

> > > > > > > > > > difgference.If such is the case how will elderly

people

> > > > > > > > contribute and

> > > > > > > > > > join the list.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even during the Ramayana issue - we were suspecting

that

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > mention of horse(forget the meaning).Thus let us do

> > > > homework

> > > > > > > > before we

> > > > > > > > > > abuse others.One is only expressing own opinion and

can

> > be

> > > > > > > > > > wrong.Thus i did mention that ,one can imagine as he

> > > > wants --

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > justice to conscience is a must.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even during previous discussions - Rashi/Varga - For

> > those

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > > treat the vargas as similar to Rashi chakra they

can.For

> > > > me

> > > > > > > > joining

> > > > > > > > > > Prana(Navamsha) with a Rashi will be different.It is

my

> > > > > > > > understanding

> > > > > > > > > > alone and i go by rules laid.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thus let us give space for others to exist - live

and

> > let

> > > > > > live.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls rethink.God Bless us.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -- In , " Bhaskar " wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeepji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The best of foes and adversaries can at times,

> > > > > > > > > > > turn out to be the best defence too.I do not think

> > > > > > > > > > > here anyone is there to attack you. We all

> > > > > > > > > > > respect you, and I do not think anyone would be

> > > > > > > > > > > foolish enough to attack you when you

> > > > > > > > > > > are discussing something for a worthy cause.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is always a great pleasure when scholars like

> > > > > > > > > > > you, Chandrasekharji and Narsimharaoji discuss

> > > > > > > > > > > together. It is a treat for us. We learn many

> > > > > > > > > > > new facets of the same subject under discussion.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And never misunderstand. I also beg to be

> > > > > > > > > > > forgiven for any hurt I may have

> > > > > > > > > > > caused you previously in last

> > > > > > > > > > > few days, which was not from the heart

> > > > > > > > > > > but meant only to arousen and awaken you

> > > > > > > > > > > warriors of your own class, who are also

> > > > > > > > > > > indispensable and always required for certain

> > > > > > > > > > > issues,where we may be found weak.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have some doubts here.Kindly clarify them.Pls

> > treat

> > > > > > > these as

> > > > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > > > > > and it can very well be wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If Patatrina mentioned in shloka 34,is ritual

> > > > fire,then

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > does the

> > > > > > > > > > > > ''Patatri'' in ''PatatriNah Tasya Vapaam'' mean

in

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > > > 36.What is

> > > > > > > > > > > > cooked here.Pls elaborate.whatis being raised -

from

> > > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am submitting some random thoughts with

prayers to

> > > > Lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1)In Brihadaranyakopanishad it is mentioned that

> > Year

> > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > body of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the horse.My doubt - If it is so- then what is

the

> > > > Horse?

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > giving my answers,in order to not to curtail

your

> > > > > > > meditative

> > > > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2)Patatri - as per my understanding is a Parava

or

> > the

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > > fly.The Raja among Patatri is Garuda.Can you

think

> > of

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > eternal

> > > > > > > > > > > > Parava within you which can fly?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an answer for 1,then what is that is

> > being

> > > > > > > > killed.Is it

> > > > > > > > > > > > that which has 3 gunas,3 states etc,by which one

can

> > > > > > > transcend

> > > > > > > > > > > > something.Why is Kausalya using 3 Knives.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why do they wait for 1 year.Isn't it( year) the

body

> > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > horse -

> > > > > > > > > > > > then what is Horse.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If that is killed ,which Parava or Patatri is

left

> > > > within

> > > > > > > > which can

> > > > > > > > > > > > shine with a stable splendour.Upon the burning

and

> > > > > > > smelling

> > > > > > > > of what,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dasharatha can be releived of Sins.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3)So with what is kuasalya spending the night

> > > > with .Which

> > > > > > > > > > > Patatri/Parava.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also the parts of the body is offered to

agni(agni

> > is

> > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > seperately here - not as Patatri ) and 16

priests

> > are

> > > > > > > present.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Through Aswamedha which Parava(bird) is

transcending

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > reaching

> > > > > > > > > > > > noble heights.The Process of creation at both

levels

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > visible

> > > > > > > > > > > > here.Kindly share your thoughts.Is Rig Veda

helpful

> > by

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > means.My

> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is negligible and these are my humble

> > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Other members please don't attack me.I am

raising my

> > > > > > > doubts

> > > > > > > > to shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha.Thank you for your translation.Stable

> > > > splendour

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > helpful(The one with Susthithi and chetas).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha

Rao "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Singh and others,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for mentioning the exact shloka.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am allowed, I will give my

interpretation. I

> > > > am a

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > scholar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in Sanskrita, though I must mention that

> > > > scholarship is

> > > > > > > > > > insufficient

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to understand the true meanings of the

writings of

> > > > > > > > *rishis*. Each

> > > > > > > > > > > > > word of a rishi is pregnant with several

meanings.

> > > > To

> > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > true meaning of an entire verse, your brain

> > > > wavelength

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > match

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the rishi's. It is possible only with divine

> > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Vedas, Upanishats, Puranas

and

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > even astrology texts like BPHS and Jaimini

> > Sutram),

> > > > a

> > > > > > > lot of

> > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > advance a lot of interpretations, but most of

them

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > corrupted

> > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the quality of the current time. It is Her

wish

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > corruption of knowledge should come in a big

way

> > in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > age.

> > > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also Her wish that some people should come now

and

> > > > then,

> > > > > > > > > correct a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > few things and go. Only She has the full

'screen

> > > > play'

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > drama. Not knowing that this is a drama and

that

> > > > She is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > director, we get caught in the show and take

> > things

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. We should continue to play our

roles in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > drama, but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with an understanding that this is a drama.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, philosophy aside, here is my

> > > > interpretation. If

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > disagree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or think I am wrong, please ignore this fool.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The word " patatrin " means a fire also. While

some

> > > > > > > > commentators

> > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have interpreted it as a bird or horse, I will

go

> > > > with

> > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are talking about a multi-day fire ritual here

> > where

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > ritual

> > > > > > > > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is kept alive. Here is a word-by-word

> > > > interpretation:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tadA = then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kausalyA = Queen Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakAmyayA = with a desire to follow her

duty

> > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat = spent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ekAM = one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rajanIM = night

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sArdhaM = along with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNA = the ritual fire

> > > > > > > > > > > > > susthitena ca cetasA = that had a stable

splendor

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This basically means: " Wishing to follow her

duty,

> > > > > > Queen

> > > > > > > > Kausalya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spent one night aside the ritual fire that was

> > > > burning

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > stable

> > > > > > > > > > > > > splendor. " She either slept by the fire or,

more

> > > > likely,

> > > > > > > > > meditated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by the fire for the entire night. The priests

were

> > > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > > maintaining the fire during the night also.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you take patatrin to mean a horse or a

> > > > > > > bird, " susthitena

> > > > > > > > ca

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cetasA " is awkward. How can you refer to a

dead

> > > > horse

> > > > > > > > as " with a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > firm consciousness/splendor " ? That phrase has

been

> > > > > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > below. In MY interpretation, it falls in place

> > > > > > perfectly.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, meditating by the fire in the night is

quite

> > > > > > > something.

> > > > > > > > > If you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > perform a proper homam during the day and

meditate

> > > > > > > sitting

> > > > > > > > by the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fire that continues to burn in the early part

of

> > the

> > > > > > > night,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > -------------------

> > > > ----

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Homam manual and audio:

> > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality:

vedic-

> > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > > > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > > > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > -------------------

> > > > ----

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rpsingh2710 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sahshie Shekhar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the controversial shlok described in

the

> > > > > > > context

> > > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashvamedh Yagya: I have also provided the

link

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Balmiki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramayan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > site where I got it from.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bal Kand, Sarga [ chapter] 14 ; shloka 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca

cetasaa

> > |

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma

kaamyayaa

> > > > || 1-

> > > > > > > 14-

> > > > > > > > 34

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 34. kausalyaa= Queen Kausalya; susthitena

cha

> > > > > > > chetasaa=

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > composed - impassively; dharma kaamaayaa=

> > dharma,

> > > > > > > > desiring �

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > achieving results; patatriNaa saartham= with

> > > > horse,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > results;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [where patatri = also means a bird, one that

> > > > swiftly

> > > > > > > flew

> > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > like a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bird; the sacrificed ritual horse is equated

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Divine

> > > > > > > > > > Eagle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > �

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > garuDa - that conducts the oblations; ekaam

> > > > rajaniim

> > > > > > > > avasat =

> > > > > > > > > > one,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > night, she resided with that horse that flew

> > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Queen Kausalya desiring the results of

ritual

> > > > > > > > disconcertedly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > resided

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one night with that horse that flew away

like a

> > > > bird.

> > > > > > > [1-

> > > > > > > > 14-34]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link to Balmiki Ramayan:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ramayana.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shashie

> > > > Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram Ram

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through out the day i read Valmiki

Ramayana

> > and

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > come to my residence to learn

Astrology,tried to

> > > > > > > search

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka in Valmiki Ramayan but no one could

> > > > succeed to

> > > > > > > > find the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same.Had Maharishi Valmiki written some

other

> > > > Ramayna

> > > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >