Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, I am afraid you are confused. Please re-read my mail. I counted both Rahu and Ketu as exalted planets. Please note that Moon is NOT exalted in Cancer. The signs I mentioned for Sun, Mercury and Venus ensure that they are also not exalted. Thus, four planets are not exalted and only five are. Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This word is basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is from " pattra " . The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is used for a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the context of Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. Thus, patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the ritual fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for them). I am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this meaning too. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------------- Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- , " lion_draco1983 " <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > > Namaste Rao ji, > If Ra is in exaltation Ke also should be - is it not so? In that case > 6 planets would be exalted and not five. Then how can the first choice > be true? > If we are taking the second choice - how to determine which planet was > in which sign? If we split 'Swaccha' as 'swa+uccha' how can we know that > Mars was in Aries, Capricorn or Scorpio? And how to know whether Sa was > in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius? And Venus in Pisces, Taurus or Libra? > Please be kind enough to enlighten us. Your greatness may pardon - > I think Raja G. Gursahani ji has a point in his mail. > > regards, vijaya raghavan guruvaur > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > Many Hindus believe that Lord Ramachandra was a real person and not > > some myth. Of course, it is a belief and there is no proof. However, > > the person below too has no proof that Rama was only " a symbolism " , > > though he speaks in that tone. > > > > While the original mail on Rama's chart was scholarly and > > constructive, the gentleman below jumps to a conclusion without ANY > > basis. > > > > There are 2 possibilities: > > > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, Moon > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, Mars > > in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu > > and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > (2) Another possibility is to take " swochcha " as " swa+uchcha " and > > interpret it as " either own sign or exaltation sign " . Then, lagna, > > Moon and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus in Taurus, Mercury in > > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu and Ketu in signs other than own/exaltation signs > > fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > The gentleman below jumped to a hasty (and incorrect) conclusion that > > there is no solution to the problem and that Lord Rama is fictitious. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > rajagursahani@ wrote: > > > > > > oh yeah that is a good one. there is no way the planets can be in > > this > > > arrangement. I believe this illustrates how powerful rama was and > > therefore > > > is just symbolism. mercury and venus can't be in their respective > > positions > > > in such a case, exalted in virgo and pisces. mercury and venus > > always trail > > > the sun. so what would be nice to know is why lord rama gets this > > symbolism. > > > why does he get a chart where the planets are exalted. > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Dear Friends, Lord Rama's Horoscope has been published in the latest issue of " Kalyan " a magazine published by Gita Press,Gorakhpur. It has attempted to date the existence of Lord Rama on the basis of the horoscope. Though modern softwares do allow you the facility to go back to those years, but still, some planets do not figure in the same signs as the original horoscopes given in the texts. May be the modern day astronomers/soft-ware developers have still not understood the movement of planets in totality. regards, Manoj Narasimha Rao <pvr Tuesday, November 6, 2007 6:16:43 PM Horoscope of Lord Rama and Patatri Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, I am afraid you are confused. Please re-read my mail. I counted both Rahu and Ketu as exalted planets. Please note that Moon is NOT exalted in Cancer. The signs I mentioned for Sun, Mercury and Venus ensure that they are also not exalted. Thus, four planets are not exalted and only five are. Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This word is basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is from " pattra " . The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is used for a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the context of Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. Thus, patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the ritual fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for them). I am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this meaning too. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - , " lion_draco1983 " <lion_draco1983@ ...> wrote: > > > Namaste Rao ji, > If Ra is in exaltation Ke also should be - is it not so? In that case > 6 planets would be exalted and not five. Then how can the first choice > be true? > If we are taking the second choice - how to determine which planet was > in which sign? If we split 'Swaccha' as 'swa+uccha' how can we know that > Mars was in Aries, Capricorn or Scorpio? And how to know whether Sa was > in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius? And Venus in Pisces, Taurus or Libra? > Please be kind enough to enlighten us. Your greatness may pardon - > I think Raja G. Gursahani ji has a point in his mail. > > regards, vijaya raghavan guruvaur > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > Many Hindus believe that Lord Ramachandra was a real person and not > > some myth. Of course, it is a belief and there is no proof. However, > > the person below too has no proof that Rama was only " a symbolism " , > > though he speaks in that tone. > > > > While the original mail on Rama's chart was scholarly and > > constructive, the gentleman below jumps to a conclusion without ANY > > basis. > > > > There are 2 possibilities: > > > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, Moon > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, Mars > > in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu > > and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > (2) Another possibility is to take " swochcha " as " swa+uchcha " and > > interpret it as " either own sign or exaltation sign " . Then, lagna, > > Moon and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus in Taurus, Mercury in > > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu and Ketu in signs other than own/exaltation signs > > fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > The gentleman below jumped to a hasty (and incorrect) conclusion that > > there is no solution to the problem and that Lord Rama is fictitious. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > rajagursahani@ wrote: > > > > > > oh yeah that is a good one. there is no way the planets can be in > > this > > > arrangement. I believe this illustrates how powerful rama was and > > therefore > > > is just symbolism. mercury and venus can't be in their respective > > positions > > > in such a case, exalted in virgo and pisces. mercury and venus > > always trail > > > the sun. so what would be nice to know is why lord rama gets this > > symbolism. > > > why does he get a chart where the planets are exalted. > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > *: rajagursahani( atgmail.com) > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Dear Rao ji, To quote your words it self - > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, Moon > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, > Rahu and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. You say that - 1 & 2 ) Rahu and Ketu and exalted - we get 2 planets. 3) Jupiter in Cancer - 3 planets exalted 4) Saturn in Libra - 4 planets exalted 5) Mars in Capricorn - 5 planets exalted 6) Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta - Of course Me cannot exalted anywhere here. But how could you discard Pisces (the exaltation sign of Venus) when it is between Aq & Ar, the possible signs you quoted? Thus by all possibility Ve could also be in exaltation - how can we assume that it is not so, when it is a clear possibility? - thus 6 planets exalted! How could you defend your argument - and which is the era that is in your mind. Patatri --------- > Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This word is > basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is from " pattra " . > The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is used for > a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the context of > Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. Thus, > patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the ritual > fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for them). I > am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this meaning > too. Sir, I am afraid that you could be wrong. You are right in stating that 'patatra' means word or vehicle; but the root is not patatra, but PataH which means fly, go or fall as used in Patati (fall) or Patanga (bird). Patatri is bird, and the sanskrit word used for Garuda is 'Patatri Raja' (king of birds). In the context of Veda and vedic rituals when used as Nakaranta Pullinga it means 'arrow, bird or horse' and when used as 'Nakaranta Dwivachana' it means Day and Night, i.e. Patatrou (Day and Night) in vedic literature. There too I couldn't find its usage as to mean 'fire'. Can you clarify the usage with an example - and a reference? In Ramayana the word is used as 'Nakaranta Pullinga' (i.e. Patatrina) and thus it can mean only Arrow, Bird and Horse. Why don't you refer to the fact that it is used as 'Nakaranta pulliga'. Do you think that it would be the same if used to refer to 'Agni'? As you said that you are a Sanskrit scholar I am expecting a detailed reply that clearly refers to grammatical usage of the word in the context. Lalit ji, I am not a scholar, but my guru was a bit good enough in Sanskrit, and I am thankful to his blessing. May god help as all to learn at least a bit of Sanskrit and enjoy its beauty. let the blessings of god be with us all.... regards vijayaraghavan guruvayur , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, > > I am afraid you are confused. Please re-read my mail. I counted both > Rahu and Ketu as exalted planets. Please note that Moon is NOT > exalted in Cancer. The signs I mentioned for Sun, Mercury and Venus > ensure that they are also not exalted. Thus, four planets are not > exalted and only five are. > > Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This word is > basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is from " pattra " . > The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is used for > a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the context of > Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. Thus, > patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the ritual > fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for them). I > am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this meaning > too. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > , " lion_draco1983 " > lion_draco1983@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rao ji, > > If Ra is in exaltation Ke also should be - is it not so? In that > case > > 6 planets would be exalted and not five. Then how can the first > choice > > be true? > > If we are taking the second choice - how to determine which > planet was > > in which sign? If we split 'Swaccha' as 'swa+uccha' how can we know > that > > Mars was in Aries, Capricorn or Scorpio? And how to know whether Sa > was > > in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius? And Venus in Pisces, Taurus or > Libra? > > Please be kind enough to enlighten us. Your greatness may > pardon - > > I think Raja G. Gursahani ji has a point in his mail. > > > > regards, vijaya raghavan guruvaur > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > Many Hindus believe that Lord Ramachandra was a real person and > not > > > some myth. Of course, it is a belief and there is no proof. > However, > > > the person below too has no proof that Rama was only " a > symbolism " , > > > though he speaks in that tone. > > > > > > While the original mail on Rama's chart was scholarly and > > > constructive, the gentleman below jumps to a conclusion without > ANY > > > basis. > > > > > > There are 2 possibilities: > > > > > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, Moon > > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, > Mars > > > in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, > Rahu > > > and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > > > (2) Another possibility is to take " swochcha " as " swa+uchcha " and > > > interpret it as " either own sign or exaltation sign " . Then, lagna, > > > Moon and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in > Libra, > > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus in Taurus, Mercury in > > > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu and Ketu in signs other than own/exaltation > signs > > > fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > > > The gentleman below jumped to a hasty (and incorrect) conclusion > that > > > there is no solution to the problem and that Lord Rama is > fictitious. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------- > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > Spirituality: > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > > rajagursahani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > oh yeah that is a good one. there is no way the planets can be > in > > > this > > > > arrangement. I believe this illustrates how powerful rama was > and > > > therefore > > > > is just symbolism. mercury and venus can't be in their > respective > > > positions > > > > in such a case, exalted in virgo and pisces. mercury and venus > > > always trail > > > > the sun. so what would be nice to know is why lord rama gets > this > > > symbolism. > > > > why does he get a chart where the planets are exalted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, I wonder if you actually understand what we are trying here! Of course, Venus can be in Pisces in Chaitra maasa! But suppose he is not in Pisces and suppose Rahu and Ketu are exalted along with Jupiter, Mars and Saturn. Then there would be exactly 5 planets in exaltation. I am giving ONE possible solution to the problem, i.e. ONE chart that satisfies all of Valmiki's criteria. I am not even saying that this must be the correct chart. All I am saying is that there ARE charts that satisfy Valmiki's criteria and giving ONE example. This was in response to a mail that said Valmiki's criteria cannot be satisfied and hence Rama must be hypothetical. To show that his conclusion was hasty, I outlined possible charts in which exactly FIVE planets are exalted, with Lagna, Moon and Sun in Cancer, nakshatra being Punarvasu and tithi being Chaitra Sukla Navami. What you are doing is that you are *changing* the position of one planet in a chart I proposed and then saying that it does not satisfy Valmiki's criteria. Of course, that is why I did not propose THAT chart (with Venus in Pi) and proposed a chart with Venus in Cp, Aq, Ar or Ta (but NOT Pi). If you say, " but why can't Venus be in Pi? He can be. So take him in Venus. Now six planets are exalted and not five. So you are wrong " , I don't know what to say. You are either utterly confused on what we are doing here or you have some other agenda. In the latter case, I should ignore you. In the former case, I have already tried enough to make you understand and it is time to move on. So, in either case, I will ignore your queries/comments from now on. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------------- Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- , " lion_draco1983 " <lion_draco1983 wrote: > > > Dear Rao ji, > To quote your words it self - > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, Moon > > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, > > Rahu and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. > You say that - > 1 & 2 ) Rahu and Ketu and exalted - we get 2 planets. > 3) Jupiter in Cancer - 3 planets exalted > 4) Saturn in Libra - 4 planets exalted > 5) Mars in Capricorn - 5 planets exalted > 6) Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta - Of course Me cannot exalted > anywhere here. But how could you discard Pisces (the exaltation sign of > Venus) when it is between Aq & Ar, the possible signs you quoted? Thus > by all possibility Ve could also be in exaltation - how can we assume > that it is not so, when it is a clear possibility? - thus 6 planets > exalted! > How could you defend your argument - and which is the era that is in > your mind. > > Patatri > --------- > > Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This word is > > basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is from " pattra " . > > The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is used for > > a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the context of > > Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. Thus, > > patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the ritual > > fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for them). I > > am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this meaning > > too. > Sir, I am afraid that you could be wrong. You are right in stating > that 'patatra' means word or vehicle; but the root is not patatra, but > PataH which means fly, go or fall as used in Patati (fall) or Patanga > (bird). Patatri is bird, and the sanskrit word used for Garuda is > 'Patatri Raja' (king of birds). In the context of Veda and vedic > rituals when used as Nakaranta Pullinga it means 'arrow, bird or horse' > and when used as 'Nakaranta Dwivachana' it means Day and Night, i.e. > Patatrou (Day and Night) in vedic literature. There too I couldn't find > its usage as to mean 'fire'. Can you clarify the usage with an example - > and a reference? > In Ramayana the word is used as 'Nakaranta Pullinga' (i.e. Patatrina) > and thus it can mean only Arrow, Bird and Horse. Why don't you refer to > the fact that it is used as 'Nakaranta pulliga'. Do you think that it > would be the same if used to refer to 'Agni'? As you said that you are a > Sanskrit scholar I am expecting a detailed reply that clearly refers to > grammatical usage of the word in the context. > Lalit ji, I am not a scholar, but my guru was a bit good enough in > Sanskrit, and I am thankful to his blessing. May god help as all to > learn at least a bit of Sanskrit and enjoy its beauty. let the > blessings of god be with us all.... > regards vijayaraghavan guruvayur > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, > > > > I am afraid you are confused. Please re-read my mail. I counted both > > Rahu and Ketu as exalted planets. Please note that Moon is NOT > > exalted in Cancer. The signs I mentioned for Sun, Mercury and Venus > > ensure that they are also not exalted. Thus, four planets are not > > exalted and only five are. > > > > Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This word is > > basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is from " pattra " . > > The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is used for > > a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the context of > > Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. Thus, > > patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the ritual > > fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for them). I > > am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this meaning > > too. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > , " lion_draco1983 " > > lion_draco1983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rao ji, > > > If Ra is in exaltation Ke also should be - is it not so? In that > > case > > > 6 planets would be exalted and not five. Then how can the first > > choice > > > be true? > > > If we are taking the second choice - how to determine which > > planet was > > > in which sign? If we split 'Swaccha' as 'swa+uccha' how can we know > > that > > > Mars was in Aries, Capricorn or Scorpio? And how to know whether Sa > > was > > > in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius? And Venus in Pisces, Taurus or > > Libra? > > > Please be kind enough to enlighten us. Your greatness may > > pardon - > > > I think Raja G. Gursahani ji has a point in his mail. > > > > > > regards, vijaya raghavan guruvaur > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > Many Hindus believe that Lord Ramachandra was a real person and > > not > > > > some myth. Of course, it is a belief and there is no proof. > > However, > > > > the person below too has no proof that Rama was only " a > > symbolism " , > > > > though he speaks in that tone. > > > > > > > > While the original mail on Rama's chart was scholarly and > > > > constructive, the gentleman below jumps to a conclusion without > > ANY > > > > basis. > > > > > > > > There are 2 possibilities: > > > > > > > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, Moon > > > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, > > Mars > > > > in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, > > Rahu > > > > and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > > > > > (2) Another possibility is to take " swochcha " as " swa+uchcha " and > > > > interpret it as " either own sign or exaltation sign " . Then, lagna, > > > > Moon and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in > > Libra, > > > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus in Taurus, Mercury in > > > > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu and Ketu in signs other than own/exaltation > > signs > > > > fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > > > > > The gentleman below jumped to a hasty (and incorrect) conclusion > > that > > > > there is no solution to the problem and that Lord Rama is > > fictitious. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ----------------------------- -- > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > ----------------------------- -- > > > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > oh yeah that is a good one. there is no way the planets can be > > in > > > > this > > > > > arrangement. I believe this illustrates how powerful rama was > > and > > > > therefore > > > > > is just symbolism. mercury and venus can't be in their > > respective > > > > positions > > > > > in such a case, exalted in virgo and pisces. mercury and venus > > > > always trail > > > > > the sun. so what would be nice to know is why lord rama gets > > this > > > > symbolism. > > > > > why does he get a chart where the planets are exalted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dear Rao ji, I don't know why you see me like that... I was just asking the simple doubts... If you feel irritated, ok.. I don't have anything to say...Let the blessings of Lord Krishna be with you... regards vijaya raghavan guruvayur , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, > > I wonder if you actually understand what we are trying here! > > Of course, Venus can be in Pisces in Chaitra maasa! But suppose he is > not in Pisces and suppose Rahu and Ketu are exalted along with > Jupiter, Mars and Saturn. Then there would be exactly 5 planets in > exaltation. > > I am giving ONE possible solution to the problem, i.e. ONE chart that > satisfies all of Valmiki's criteria. I am not even saying that this > must be the correct chart. All I am saying is that there ARE charts > that satisfy Valmiki's criteria and giving ONE example. This was in > response to a mail that said Valmiki's criteria cannot be satisfied > and hence Rama must be hypothetical. To show that his conclusion was > hasty, I outlined possible charts in which exactly FIVE planets are > exalted, with Lagna, Moon and Sun in Cancer, nakshatra being > Punarvasu and tithi being Chaitra Sukla Navami. > > What you are doing is that you are *changing* the position of one > planet in a chart I proposed and then saying that it does not satisfy > Valmiki's criteria. Of course, that is why I did not propose THAT > chart (with Venus in Pi) and proposed a chart with Venus in Cp, Aq, > Ar or Ta (but NOT Pi). > > If you say, " but why can't Venus be in Pi? He can be. So take him in > Venus. Now six planets are exalted and not five. So you are wrong " , I > don't know what to say. You are either utterly confused on what we > are doing here or you have some other agenda. In the latter case, I > should ignore you. In the former case, I have already tried enough to > make you understand and it is time to move on. So, in either case, I > will ignore your queries/comments from now on. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > , " lion_draco1983 " > lion_draco1983@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rao ji, > > To quote your words it self - > > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, Moon > > > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, > > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, > > > Rahu and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. > > You say that - > > 1 & 2 ) Rahu and Ketu and exalted - we get 2 planets. > > 3) Jupiter in Cancer - 3 planets exalted > > 4) Saturn in Libra - 4 planets exalted > > 5) Mars in Capricorn - 5 planets exalted > > 6) Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta - Of course Me cannot exalted > > anywhere here. But how could you discard Pisces (the exaltation > sign of > > Venus) when it is between Aq & Ar, the possible signs you quoted? > Thus > > by all possibility Ve could also be in exaltation - how can we > assume > > that it is not so, when it is a clear possibility? - thus 6 planets > > exalted! > > How could you defend your argument - and which is the era that > is in > > your mind. > > > > Patatri > > --------- > > > Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This word is > > > basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is from " pattra " . > > > The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is used > for > > > a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the context > of > > > Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. Thus, > > > patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the ritual > > > fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for > them). I > > > am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this > meaning > > > too. > > Sir, I am afraid that you could be wrong. You are right in > stating > > that 'patatra' means word or vehicle; but the root is not patatra, > but > > PataH which means fly, go or fall as used in Patati (fall) or > Patanga > > (bird). Patatri is bird, and the sanskrit word used for Garuda is > > 'Patatri Raja' (king of birds). In the context of Veda and vedic > > rituals when used as Nakaranta Pullinga it means 'arrow, bird or > horse' > > and when used as 'Nakaranta Dwivachana' it means Day and Night, i.e. > > Patatrou (Day and Night) in vedic literature. There too I couldn't > find > > its usage as to mean 'fire'. Can you clarify the usage with an > example - > > and a reference? > > In Ramayana the word is used as 'Nakaranta Pullinga' (i.e. > Patatrina) > > and thus it can mean only Arrow, Bird and Horse. Why don't you > refer to > > the fact that it is used as 'Nakaranta pulliga'. Do you think that > it > > would be the same if used to refer to 'Agni'? As you said that you > are a > > Sanskrit scholar I am expecting a detailed reply that clearly > refers to > > grammatical usage of the word in the context. > > Lalit ji, I am not a scholar, but my guru was a bit good > enough in > > Sanskrit, and I am thankful to his blessing. May god help as all to > > learn at least a bit of Sanskrit and enjoy its beauty. let the > > blessings of god be with us all.... > > regards vijayaraghavan guruvayur > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, > > > > > > I am afraid you are confused. Please re-read my mail. I counted > both > > > Rahu and Ketu as exalted planets. Please note that Moon is NOT > > > exalted in Cancer. The signs I mentioned for Sun, Mercury and > Venus > > > ensure that they are also not exalted. Thus, four planets are not > > > exalted and only five are. > > > > > > Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This word is > > > basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is from " pattra " . > > > The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is used > for > > > a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the context > of > > > Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. Thus, > > > patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the ritual > > > fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for > them). I > > > am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this > meaning > > > too. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------- > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > Spirituality: > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > , " lion_draco1983 " > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rao ji, > > > > If Ra is in exaltation Ke also should be - is it not so? In > that > > > case > > > > 6 planets would be exalted and not five. Then how can the first > > > choice > > > > be true? > > > > If we are taking the second choice - how to determine which > > > planet was > > > > in which sign? If we split 'Swaccha' as 'swa+uccha' how can we > know > > > that > > > > Mars was in Aries, Capricorn or Scorpio? And how to know > whether Sa > > > was > > > > in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius? And Venus in Pisces, Taurus or > > > Libra? > > > > Please be kind enough to enlighten us. Your greatness may > > > pardon - > > > > I think Raja G. Gursahani ji has a point in his mail. > > > > > > > > regards, vijaya raghavan guruvaur > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > Many Hindus believe that Lord Ramachandra was a real person > and > > > not > > > > > some myth. Of course, it is a belief and there is no proof. > > > However, > > > > > the person below too has no proof that Rama was only " a > > > symbolism " , > > > > > though he speaks in that tone. > > > > > > > > > > While the original mail on Rama's chart was scholarly and > > > > > constructive, the gentleman below jumps to a conclusion > without > > > ANY > > > > > basis. > > > > > > > > > > There are 2 possibilities: > > > > > > > > > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, > Moon > > > > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in > Libra, > > > Mars > > > > > in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, > > > Rahu > > > > > and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > > > > > > > (2) Another possibility is to take " swochcha " as " swa+uchcha " > and > > > > > interpret it as " either own sign or exaltation sign " . Then, > lagna, > > > > > Moon and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in > > > Libra, > > > > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus in Taurus, Mercury in > > > > > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu and Ketu in signs other than own/exaltation > > > signs > > > > > fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > > > > > > > The gentleman below jumped to a hasty (and incorrect) > conclusion > > > that > > > > > there is no solution to the problem and that Lord Rama is > > > fictitious. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ----------------------------- > -- > > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > > Spirituality: > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > ----------------------------- > -- > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > oh yeah that is a good one. there is no way the planets can > be > > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > arrangement. I believe this illustrates how powerful rama > was > > > and > > > > > therefore > > > > > > is just symbolism. mercury and venus can't be in their > > > respective > > > > > positions > > > > > > in such a case, exalted in virgo and pisces. mercury and > venus > > > > > always trail > > > > > > the sun. so what would be nice to know is why lord rama gets > > > this > > > > > symbolism. > > > > > > why does he get a chart where the planets are exalted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dear Narsimha, Pls. ignore such people with hidden agenda, they are not here to learn or ask to remove their doubts, their purpose is to confuse others with their one handfull knowledge. They find very easy to trouble a scholar like you, I may give them right replies by my idiot and rough manner. I have been hitting cleverness very hard and exposing them since sat+ ketu started started transit in July. Firstly it was Dakschhinamurthy, then Srinadh and thereafter so many from the ravana sena, I have not left even Rafel when he stood in support of Dakschhinamurthy. All are exposed and they are now nowhere. You dont know to whom u r replying. what's the validity of a fake mail id ? I m at Rewa to celebrate Diwali, therefore not able to put more time on net. i dont have net connectivity at my home, will back to delhi on sunday. If it's possible, will try to visit Varanasi (Kashi), tell me, u wish to suggest something to do there. regards, Lalit. I m on leaves to celebrate diwali at my home town, rewa, i have no net connectivity here at home. , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, > > I wonder if you actually understand what we are trying here! > > Of course, Venus can be in Pisces in Chaitra maasa! But suppose he is > not in Pisces and suppose Rahu and Ketu are exalted along with > Jupiter, Mars and Saturn. Then there would be exactly 5 planets in > exaltation. > > I am giving ONE possible solution to the problem, i.e. ONE chart that > satisfies all of Valmiki's criteria. I am not even saying that this > must be the correct chart. All I am saying is that there ARE charts > that satisfy Valmiki's criteria and giving ONE example. This was in > response to a mail that said Valmiki's criteria cannot be satisfied > and hence Rama must be hypothetical. To show that his conclusion was > hasty, I outlined possible charts in which exactly FIVE planets are > exalted, with Lagna, Moon and Sun in Cancer, nakshatra being > Punarvasu and tithi being Chaitra Sukla Navami. > > What you are doing is that you are *changing* the position of one > planet in a chart I proposed and then saying that it does not satisfy > Valmiki's criteria. Of course, that is why I did not propose THAT > chart (with Venus in Pi) and proposed a chart with Venus in Cp, Aq, > Ar or Ta (but NOT Pi). > > If you say, " but why can't Venus be in Pi? He can be. So take him in > Venus. Now six planets are exalted and not five. So you are wrong " , I > don't know what to say. You are either utterly confused on what we > are doing here or you have some other agenda. In the latter case, I > should ignore you. In the former case, I have already tried enough to > make you understand and it is time to move on. So, in either case, I > will ignore your queries/comments from now on. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > , " lion_draco1983 " > <lion_draco1983@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rao ji, > > To quote your words it self - > > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, Moon > > > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in Libra, > > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, > > > Rahu and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. > > You say that - > > 1 & 2 ) Rahu and Ketu and exalted - we get 2 planets. > > 3) Jupiter in Cancer - 3 planets exalted > > 4) Saturn in Libra - 4 planets exalted > > 5) Mars in Capricorn - 5 planets exalted > > 6) Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta - Of course Me cannot exalted > > anywhere here. But how could you discard Pisces (the exaltation > sign of > > Venus) when it is between Aq & Ar, the possible signs you quoted? > Thus > > by all possibility Ve could also be in exaltation - how can we > assume > > that it is not so, when it is a clear possibility? - thus 6 planets > > exalted! > > How could you defend your argument - and which is the era that > is in > > your mind. > > > > Patatri > > --------- > > > Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This word is > > > basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is from " pattra " . > > > The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is used > for > > > a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the context > of > > > Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. Thus, > > > patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the ritual > > > fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for > them). I > > > am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this > meaning > > > too. > > Sir, I am afraid that you could be wrong. You are right in > stating > > that 'patatra' means word or vehicle; but the root is not patatra, > but > > PataH which means fly, go or fall as used in Patati (fall) or > Patanga > > (bird). Patatri is bird, and the sanskrit word used for Garuda is > > 'Patatri Raja' (king of birds). In the context of Veda and vedic > > rituals when used as Nakaranta Pullinga it means 'arrow, bird or > horse' > > and when used as 'Nakaranta Dwivachana' it means Day and Night, i.e. > > Patatrou (Day and Night) in vedic literature. There too I couldn't > find > > its usage as to mean 'fire'. Can you clarify the usage with an > example - > > and a reference? > > In Ramayana the word is used as 'Nakaranta Pullinga' (i.e. > Patatrina) > > and thus it can mean only Arrow, Bird and Horse. Why don't you > refer to > > the fact that it is used as 'Nakaranta pulliga'. Do you think that > it > > would be the same if used to refer to 'Agni'? As you said that you > are a > > Sanskrit scholar I am expecting a detailed reply that clearly > refers to > > grammatical usage of the word in the context. > > Lalit ji, I am not a scholar, but my guru was a bit good > enough in > > Sanskrit, and I am thankful to his blessing. May god help as all to > > learn at least a bit of Sanskrit and enjoy its beauty. let the > > blessings of god be with us all.... > > regards vijayaraghavan guruvayur > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, > > > > > > I am afraid you are confused. Please re-read my mail. I counted > both > > > Rahu and Ketu as exalted planets. Please note that Moon is NOT > > > exalted in Cancer. The signs I mentioned for Sun, Mercury and > Venus > > > ensure that they are also not exalted. Thus, four planets are not > > > exalted and only five are. > > > > > > Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This word is > > > basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is from " pattra " . > > > The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is used > for > > > a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the context > of > > > Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. Thus, > > > patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the ritual > > > fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for > them). I > > > am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this > meaning > > > too. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------ - > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > Spirituality: > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------ - > > > > > > , " lion_draco1983 " > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rao ji, > > > > If Ra is in exaltation Ke also should be - is it not so? In > that > > > case > > > > 6 planets would be exalted and not five. Then how can the first > > > choice > > > > be true? > > > > If we are taking the second choice - how to determine which > > > planet was > > > > in which sign? If we split 'Swaccha' as 'swa+uccha' how can we > know > > > that > > > > Mars was in Aries, Capricorn or Scorpio? And how to know > whether Sa > > > was > > > > in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius? And Venus in Pisces, Taurus or > > > Libra? > > > > Please be kind enough to enlighten us. Your greatness may > > > pardon - > > > > I think Raja G. Gursahani ji has a point in his mail. > > > > > > > > regards, vijaya raghavan guruvaur > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > Many Hindus believe that Lord Ramachandra was a real person > and > > > not > > > > > some myth. Of course, it is a belief and there is no proof. > > > However, > > > > > the person below too has no proof that Rama was only " a > > > symbolism " , > > > > > though he speaks in that tone. > > > > > > > > > > While the original mail on Rama's chart was scholarly and > > > > > constructive, the gentleman below jumps to a conclusion > without > > > ANY > > > > > basis. > > > > > > > > > > There are 2 possibilities: > > > > > > > > > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, > Moon > > > > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in > Libra, > > > Mars > > > > > in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, > > > Rahu > > > > > and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > > > > > > > (2) Another possibility is to take " swochcha " as " swa+uchcha " > and > > > > > interpret it as " either own sign or exaltation sign " . Then, > lagna, > > > > > Moon and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in > > > Libra, > > > > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus in Taurus, Mercury in > > > > > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu and Ketu in signs other than own/exaltation > > > signs > > > > > fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > > > > > > > The gentleman below jumped to a hasty (and incorrect) > conclusion > > > that > > > > > there is no solution to the problem and that Lord Rama is > > > fictitious. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > -------------------------- --- > -- > > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > > Spirituality: > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > -------------------------- --- > -- > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > oh yeah that is a good one. there is no way the planets can > be > > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > arrangement. I believe this illustrates how powerful rama > was > > > and > > > > > therefore > > > > > > is just symbolism. mercury and venus can't be in their > > > respective > > > > > positions > > > > > > in such a case, exalted in virgo and pisces. mercury and > venus > > > > > always trail > > > > > > the sun. so what would be nice to know is why lord rama gets > > > this > > > > > symbolism. > > > > > > why does he get a chart where the planets are exalted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dear Mr. Lalit, Please earn some manners to talk senior and old members of this forum. , " litsol " <litsol wrote: > > Dear Narsimha, > > Pls. ignore such people with hidden agenda, they are not here to > learn or ask to remove their doubts, their purpose is to confuse > others with their one handfull knowledge. > > They find very easy to trouble a scholar like you, I may give them > right replies by my idiot and rough manner. > > I have been hitting cleverness very hard and exposing them since > sat+ ketu started started transit in July. > > Firstly it was Dakschhinamurthy, then Srinadh and thereafter so many > from the ravana sena, I have not left even Rafel when he stood in > support of Dakschhinamurthy. All are exposed and they are now > nowhere. > > You dont know to whom u r replying. what's the validity of a fake > mail id ? > > I m at Rewa to celebrate Diwali, therefore not able to put more time > on net. i dont have net connectivity at my home, will back to delhi > on sunday. If it's possible, will try to visit Varanasi (Kashi), > tell me, u wish to suggest something to do there. > > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > > > I m on leaves to celebrate diwali at my home town, rewa, i have no > net connectivity here at home. > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, > > > > I wonder if you actually understand what we are trying here! > > > > Of course, Venus can be in Pisces in Chaitra maasa! But suppose he > is > > not in Pisces and suppose Rahu and Ketu are exalted along with > > Jupiter, Mars and Saturn. Then there would be exactly 5 planets in > > exaltation. > > > > I am giving ONE possible solution to the problem, i.e. ONE chart > that > > satisfies all of Valmiki's criteria. I am not even saying that > this > > must be the correct chart. All I am saying is that there ARE > charts > > that satisfy Valmiki's criteria and giving ONE example. This was > in > > response to a mail that said Valmiki's criteria cannot be > satisfied > > and hence Rama must be hypothetical. To show that his conclusion > was > > hasty, I outlined possible charts in which exactly FIVE planets > are > > exalted, with Lagna, Moon and Sun in Cancer, nakshatra being > > Punarvasu and tithi being Chaitra Sukla Navami. > > > > What you are doing is that you are *changing* the position of one > > planet in a chart I proposed and then saying that it does not > satisfy > > Valmiki's criteria. Of course, that is why I did not propose THAT > > chart (with Venus in Pi) and proposed a chart with Venus in Cp, > Aq, > > Ar or Ta (but NOT Pi). > > > > If you say, " but why can't Venus be in Pi? He can be. So take him > in > > Venus. Now six planets are exalted and not five. So you are > wrong " , I > > don't know what to say. You are either utterly confused on what we > > are doing here or you have some other agenda. In the latter case, > I > > should ignore you. In the former case, I have already tried enough > to > > make you understand and it is time to move on. So, in either case, > I > > will ignore your queries/comments from now on. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > , " lion_draco1983 " > > <lion_draco1983@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Rao ji, > > > To quote your words it self - > > > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. Lagna, > Moon > > > > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in > Libra, > > > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in > > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, > > > > Rahu and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki > said. > > > You say that - > > > 1 & 2 ) Rahu and Ketu and exalted - we get 2 planets. > > > 3) Jupiter in Cancer - 3 planets exalted > > > 4) Saturn in Libra - 4 planets exalted > > > 5) Mars in Capricorn - 5 planets exalted > > > 6) Venus and Mercury in Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta - Of course Me cannot > exalted > > > anywhere here. But how could you discard Pisces (the exaltation > > sign of > > > Venus) when it is between Aq & Ar, the possible signs you > quoted? > > Thus > > > by all possibility Ve could also be in exaltation - how can we > > assume > > > that it is not so, when it is a clear possibility? - thus 6 > planets > > > exalted! > > > How could you defend your argument - and which is the era > that > > is in > > > your mind. > > > > > > Patatri > > > --------- > > > > Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This > word is > > > > basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is > from " pattra " . > > > > The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is > used > > for > > > > a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the > context > > of > > > > Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. > Thus, > > > > patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the > ritual > > > > fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for > > them). I > > > > am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this > > meaning > > > > too. > > > Sir, I am afraid that you could be wrong. You are right in > > stating > > > that 'patatra' means word or vehicle; but the root is not > patatra, > > but > > > PataH which means fly, go or fall as used in Patati (fall) or > > Patanga > > > (bird). Patatri is bird, and the sanskrit word used for Garuda > is > > > 'Patatri Raja' (king of birds). In the context of Veda and > vedic > > > rituals when used as Nakaranta Pullinga it means 'arrow, bird or > > horse' > > > and when used as 'Nakaranta Dwivachana' it means Day and Night, > i.e. > > > Patatrou (Day and Night) in vedic literature. There too I > couldn't > > find > > > its usage as to mean 'fire'. Can you clarify the usage with an > > example - > > > and a reference? > > > In Ramayana the word is used as 'Nakaranta Pullinga' (i.e. > > Patatrina) > > > and thus it can mean only Arrow, Bird and Horse. Why don't you > > refer to > > > the fact that it is used as 'Nakaranta pulliga'. Do you think > that > > it > > > would be the same if used to refer to 'Agni'? As you said that > you > > are a > > > Sanskrit scholar I am expecting a detailed reply that clearly > > refers to > > > grammatical usage of the word in the context. > > > Lalit ji, I am not a scholar, but my guru was a bit good > > enough in > > > Sanskrit, and I am thankful to his blessing. May god help as all > to > > > learn at least a bit of Sanskrit and enjoy its beauty. let the > > > blessings of god be with us all.... > > > regards vijayaraghavan guruvayur > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Vijaya Raghavan, > > > > > > > > I am afraid you are confused. Please re-read my mail. I > counted > > both > > > > Rahu and Ketu as exalted planets. Please note that Moon is NOT > > > > exalted in Cancer. The signs I mentioned for Sun, Mercury and > > Venus > > > > ensure that they are also not exalted. Thus, four planets are > not > > > > exalted and only five are. > > > > > > > > Regarding patatri, Lalit has given a dictionary link. This > word is > > > > basically from the word " patatra " , which in turn is > from " pattra " . > > > > The word patatra means a vehicle or one that carries. It is > used > > for > > > > a bird (especially Garuda), a horse etc. However, in the > context > > of > > > > Veda and Vedic rituals, Agni (fire) is the primary vehicle. > Thus, > > > > patatrin can mean fire too (not any ordinary fire, but the > ritual > > > > fire that is used as the vehicle for gods and sacrifices for > > them). I > > > > am glad Lalit has given a dictionary link that contains this > > meaning > > > > too. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ---------------------------- -- > - > > > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > ---------------------------- -- > - > > > > > > > > , " lion_draco1983 " > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rao ji, > > > > > If Ra is in exaltation Ke also should be - is it not so? > In > > that > > > > case > > > > > 6 planets would be exalted and not five. Then how can the > first > > > > choice > > > > > be true? > > > > > If we are taking the second choice - how to determine > which > > > > planet was > > > > > in which sign? If we split 'Swaccha' as 'swa+uccha' how can > we > > know > > > > that > > > > > Mars was in Aries, Capricorn or Scorpio? And how to know > > whether Sa > > > > was > > > > > in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius? And Venus in Pisces, Taurus > or > > > > Libra? > > > > > Please be kind enough to enlighten us. Your greatness > may > > > > pardon - > > > > > I think Raja G. Gursahani ji has a point in his mail. > > > > > > > > > > regards, vijaya raghavan guruvaur > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > Many Hindus believe that Lord Ramachandra was a real > person > > and > > > > not > > > > > > some myth. Of course, it is a belief and there is no proof. > > > > However, > > > > > > the person below too has no proof that Rama was only " a > > > > symbolism " , > > > > > > though he speaks in that tone. > > > > > > > > > > > > While the original mail on Rama's chart was scholarly and > > > > > > constructive, the gentleman below jumps to a conclusion > > without > > > > ANY > > > > > > basis. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are 2 possibilities: > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) The 5 planets in exaltation include Rahu and Ketu. > Lagna, > > Moon > > > > > > and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), Saturn in > > Libra, > > > > Mars > > > > > > in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus and Mercury in > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, > > > > Rahu > > > > > > and Ketu in exaltation signs fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) Another possibility is to take " swochcha " > as " swa+uchcha " > > and > > > > > > interpret it as " either own sign or exaltation sign " . > Then, > > lagna, > > > > > > Moon and Jupiter in Cancer (with Moon in Punarvasu), > Saturn in > > > > Libra, > > > > > > Mars in Capricorn, Sun in Pisces, Venus in Taurus, Mercury > in > > > > > > Cp/Aq/Ar/Ta, Rahu and Ketu in signs other than > own/exaltation > > > > signs > > > > > > fits everything Valmiki said. > > > > > > > > > > > > The gentleman below jumped to a hasty (and incorrect) > > conclusion > > > > that > > > > > > there is no solution to the problem and that Lord Rama is > > > > fictitious. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------------------ -- > --- > > -- > > > > > > Homam manual and audio: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > > > Spirituality: > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > > http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > ------------------------ -- > --- > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > > > > > rajagursahani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh yeah that is a good one. there is no way the planets > can > > be > > > > in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > arrangement. I believe this illustrates how powerful > rama > > was > > > > and > > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > is just symbolism. mercury and venus can't be in their > > > > respective > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > in such a case, exalted in virgo and pisces. mercury and > > venus > > > > > > always trail > > > > > > > the sun. so what would be nice to know is why lord rama > gets > > > > this > > > > > > symbolism. > > > > > > > why does he get a chart where the planets are exalted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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