Guest guest Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Dear Marg, you are absolutely right. We being astrologers and with our knowledge of Modern sanskrit, were honestly , sincerely and painstakingly looking at the word vacha/vak etc in 100 possible ways. Personally, I was not at all convinced how vak(speech) and Jupiter ( remember I said he was a poor alternative) were connected. Yet, I was forced to accept Jupiter as Vakpati since Mercury can not be placed with moon no matter what. Yet, Valmiki was justified in denoting Jupiter as Vakpati since he meant vedas by saying vak and Jupiter certainly denotes prajapati or Brahma or Lord over Vedas. He represents the knowledge of Vedas. Thus, with one simple explanation, it is very obvious that Valmiki was right and with all our limited knowledge, we were all wrong till we have seen the simple yet effective explanation. i am sure this is what is going to happen for everything else- finally, we may have to agree that good old valmiki is better than all of us modern brains put together. regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 On 11/17/07, Marg <margie9 wrote: > Dear Kishore > > Your point is important. > There are so many ways of translating, so many meanings, and so many > understandings, that to rely on just one interpretation can be totally > misleading. > I am sure there are more ways of understanding what Valmiki intended to > convey. > best wishes > M > > - > kishore patnaik > > Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:29 AM > Re: Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama/Vachaspati > > > Dear all, > > I am quoting here what was purport of the word ' vak' in the Valimiki's > times. Apparently, it denotes Veda (the Divine word) whichfor which > significator is Jupiter. Obviously we are all discussing with half > knowledge > with what we know of the meanings of vaak as on date. Hope this clears the > air, > > " word vaak means: enunciator - as given above; This word also means > Veda - anaadi > nidhano hi eSaa vaak utshR^iSTaa Veda-s emerged from that Absolute, hence > vaak > is identifiable with that Absolute; and this is grammar - vaak yoga > viddduSyati ca apashabde as such vaak is identifiable with grammar. And > vaak > vid vareNya is 'one who has complete information derived from Veda-s, or, > one who elucidates and enunciates what he has learned from Veda-s to > others...' > > regards, > Kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Dear Kishore, I didn't doubt Jupiter was with the Moon, it was the reference to ruler of Vak which caused further query for me. All languages have nuances of meaning, some of which may be lost down the ages. I'm still not concluding it is the final and only interpretation to say VAK refers to Jupiter as ruler of speech, so I will keep an open mind. best wishes M - kishore patnaik Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:04 PM Re: Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama/Vachaspati Dear Marg, you are absolutely right. We being astrologers and with our knowledge of Modern sanskrit, were honestly , sincerely and painstakingly looking at the word vacha/vak etc in 100 possible ways. Personally, I was not at all convinced how vak(speech) and Jupiter ( remember I said he was a poor alternative) were connected. Yet, I was forced to accept Jupiter as Vakpati since Mercury can not be placed with moon no matter what. Yet, Valmiki was justified in denoting Jupiter as Vakpati since he meant vedas by saying vak and Jupiter certainly denotes prajapati or Brahma or Lord over Vedas. He represents the knowledge of Vedas. Thus, with one simple explanation, it is very obvious that Valmiki was right and with all our limited knowledge, we were all wrong till we have seen the simple yet effective explanation. i am sure this is what is going to happen for everything else- finally, we may have to agree that good old valmiki is better than all of us modern brains put together. regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 On 11/17/07, Marg <margie9 wrote: > Dear Kishore > > Your point is important. > There are so many ways of translating, so many meanings, and so many > understandings, that to rely on just one interpretation can be totally > misleading. > I am sure there are more ways of understanding what Valmiki intended to > convey. > best wishes > M > > - > kishore patnaik > > Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:29 AM > Re: Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama/Vachaspati > > > Dear all, > > I am quoting here what was purport of the word ' vak' in the Valimiki's > times. Apparently, it denotes Veda (the Divine word) whichfor which > significator is Jupiter. Obviously we are all discussing with half > knowledge > with what we know of the meanings of vaak as on date. Hope this clears the > air, > > " word vaak means: enunciator - as given above; This word also means > Veda - anaadi > nidhano hi eSaa vaak utshR^iSTaa Veda-s emerged from that Absolute, hence > vaak > is identifiable with that Absolute; and this is grammar - vaak yoga > viddduSyati ca apashabde as such vaak is identifiable with grammar. And > vaak > vid vareNya is 'one who has complete information derived from Veda-s, or, > one who elucidates and enunciates what he has learned from Veda-s to > others...' > > regards, > Kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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