Guest guest Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 we need to explain to people how lists work. they are meant for people to gather and discuss things. there shouldn't be necessarily a clique intended unless that was the purpose of the list. I know the creator/founder of this group very well, ben Collins, he didn't form this group for a clique actually he openly invited many prominent or serious astrologers that he knew to the group and also as a result any other astrologers could participate as well. there is no defined group here within the group. most lists run this way. just an open exchange forum that has been devised in a listserve manner. that is all. well this technology was devised in America so we have supposedly setup the etiquette for this and I thought it was my duty as an American to explain this to the group. it seems others don't understand this etiquette and as a result we seem to have people who mock others or intimidate others or seem to have some kind of superiority trip which to my understanding is contrary to this whole groups function. also if people can't attend to all messages that is their prerogative. most people who are on lists such as myself look at the list's messages scan what they like and avoid what they don't like or care to participate in. however if someone on the group states that this conversation is between only two people that should be respected. I mean its not like this group has some hierarchal function. so attacking people on this list is very provocative I guess. now in the past I have had heated arguments due to the nature of some but that is water under the bridge. I would expect some common decency now. I am just saying that somep people are attacking below the belt and as a result they will have provocation. sincerely, __________ Raja G. Gursahani *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Raja, // it seems others don't understand this etiquette and as a result we seem to have people who mock others or intimidate others or seem to have some kind of superiority trip which to my understanding is contrary to this whole groups function. also if people can't attend to all messages that is their prerogative. most people who are on lists such as myself look at the list's messages scan what they like and avoid what they don't like or care to participate in. now in the past I have had heated arguments due to the nature of some but that is water under the bridge. I would expect some common decency now. I am just saying that somep people are attacking below the belt and as a result they will have provocation. // You have a big mouth, we know how it has become big, we know You lend your mouth for services to the Americans for your living, but dont shoot it here. You are the only foolish person here, who is not meant for this Group and who disturbs others with your third grade views hitting below the belt. You are the one who accused my parents and myself of being engaged in illegal means of living Life etc. You are the one who passes such type of comments frequently, but never able to explain them astrologically. You are the one who picks up on ascendants of people who share their ascendants and experiences for general good and understanding of all. If it was in my hands I would have certainly sent you to the hospital for such serious offences, but You are not near me, so You are fortunate , but if you have some little shame left in Your worthless existence, you should immediately resign your membership from this Forum and leave this space for serious discussions. Your are now getting too much on our heads. Be careful , if you overstep now, I will have to leave my boundaries and show you your real place. There are other three more members here who are talking all nonsense other than astrology. I will take them, when the provocation is more. For now let them enjoy. Bhaskar. , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > we need to explain to people how lists work. they are meant for people to > gather and discuss things. there shouldn't be necessarily a clique intended > unless that was the purpose of the list. I know the creator/founder of this > group very well, ben Collins, he didn't form this group for a clique > actually he openly invited many prominent or serious astrologers that he > knew to the group and also as a result any other astrologers could > participate as well. there is no defined group here within the group. most > lists run this way. just an open exchange forum that has been devised in a > listserve manner. that is all. well this technology was devised in America > so we have supposedly setup the etiquette for this and I thought it was my > duty as an American to explain this to the group. it seems others don't > understand this etiquette and as a result we seem to have people who mock > others or intimidate others or seem to have some kind of superiority trip > which to my understanding is contrary to this whole groups function. also if > people can't attend to all messages that is their prerogative. most people > who are on lists such as myself look at the list's messages scan what they > like and avoid what they don't like or care to participate in. however if > someone on the group states that this conversation is between only two > people that should be respected. I mean its not like this group has some > hierarchal function. so attacking people on this list is very provocative I > guess. now in the past I have had heated arguments due to the nature of some > but that is water under the bridge. I would expect some common decency now. > I am just saying that somep people are attacking below the belt and as a > result they will have provocation. > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > __________ > > Raja G. Gursahani > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Dear Raj I appreciate your thoughts on the nature of the list. Of course it might be a good idea to post the general intro of guidelines, delivered to members at subscription, of posting to the list, but it is the nature of existence that at times even these will be ignored, which is why we need a moderator such as yourself. I have stayed with the list due to the openness and free exchange which generally overtakes any imbalances which set in from time to time, and have now many good and dear friends I met through the forum. I also am not in favour of censorship either, otherwise we get into dictating to others and ordering them around, ironic that avoidance of censorship by the list philosophy attracts so many censors! best wishes M - Raja Gursahani Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:51 PM you see marg i think we need to explain to people how lists work. they are meant for people to gather and discuss things. there shouldn't be necessarily a clique intended unless that was the purpose of the list. I know the creator/founder of this group very well, ben Collins, he didn't form this group for a clique actually he openly invited many prominent or serious astrologers that he knew to the group and also as a result any other astrologers could participate as well. there is no defined group here within the group. most lists run this way. just an open exchange forum that has been devised in a listserve manner. that is all. well this technology was devised in America so we have supposedly setup the etiquette for this and I thought it was my duty as an American to explain this to the group. it seems others don't understand this etiquette and as a result we seem to have people who mock others or intimidate others or seem to have some kind of superiority trip which to my understanding is contrary to this whole groups function. also if people can't attend to all messages that is their prerogative. most people who are on lists such as myself look at the list's messages scan what they like and avoid what they don't like or care to participate in. however if someone on the group states that this conversation is between only two people that should be respected. I mean its not like this group has some hierarchal function. so attacking people on this list is very provocative I guess. now in the past I have had heated arguments due to the nature of some but that is water under the bridge. I would expect some common decency now. I am just saying that somep people are attacking below the belt and as a result they will have provocation. sincerely, ________ Raja G. Gursahani *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 oh please marg let me clarify. I am not the raj who is the moderator of the group. I am a participant like yourself who just feels that the group needs some sort of balance. I don't want to offend Bhaskar. he takes every slight so personally that he still holds resentment. I don't understand why he can't let anything go. I have let things go along time ago. it is the only way spiritually is to surrender somehow. slowly but surely it will happen for all of us. well I just wanted to say that I don't mean to create sides once again but it happens because of the nature of this group. it used to be a free exchange of very decent astrologers. yes some astrologers are clearly more knowledgable than others but some of their knowledge is contrary to the others. that doesn't mean they are wrong however just their techniques are more advanced or they just maybe from an altogether different point of view. so I once again apologize for my behavior however I don't want to feel inferior in this group and I don't want others made to feel inferior as well. sincerely, __________ Raja G. Gursahani *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Dear Raja, I want to make a clarification here. Yes, once there used to be a group of very good astrologers in this participating in this newsgroup; however, they never discussed the horoscopes of Mahatmas and great incarnations, as once even Sri KN Rao mentioned he would not discuss horoscopes of Mahatmas. If he himself was so humble, what are we? With half-half knowledge, I am seeing that the members discuss here nothing less than Mahatma's horoscopes, or even question their birth details. Then the trend further continued to even question sages' quotations, where none was confident of what they were talking of. Then the trend further continued to the extent of questioning the origins of Vedic astrology. This gives a clear indication of the interest of members to question the existence of some of the fundamentals itself, rather than utilize what they know in actual predictions. THe maximum human life in Kaliyuga is 100 to 120 yrs. Within this time, the maximum active time of a person is about 50 yrs, taking away all other activities of the individual. Now within this 50 yrs of duration, what kind of physical proof one can obtain for a very spiritual subject like Vedic astrology. Remember, this is a Jyothish group dedicated to discuss Hindu astrology, which is a spiritual science. Therefore, freedom of expression in this group does not and should not mean to question the basis of the subject itself. When the person goes to that extent, then he/she is violating the concepts of Hindu astrology. Yesterday I raised the question of 9 incarnations of Vishnu representing the 9 planets. Here there is subtle representation of the planets through these incarnations. No one comes back to that question, since they can conveniently avoid it. The Great Brihat Parashara Hora Sastra does not discuss any thing basic principle without a refernce to Lord Vishnu. If one cannot accept the existence of Lord Vishnu, then I have to doubt their understanding of Hindu astrology, and the intentions behind. On the one hand we talk of vedic astrology, where we use all the Hindu deity names and their nature to make predictions, and on the other hand we question the members such as 'show me proof that it is possible to find planetary motion thousads of years ago without the tools that we have today', or someone else qeustions about birth time or Lord Rama, or some other person questions even on the birth of Rama itself. What nonsense we are discussing here? This kind of discussion should not be allowed in a Hindu/Vedic astrology forum like this. Persons of any ethnic group can certainly participate in the discussion; there is no question about it; however, once they participate in the discussion, they should do it whole-heartedly accepting the validity of the underlying principles. We should understand the limits within which one has to discuss the subject. That is the real freedom of expression here. Regards, Satya S Kolachina , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > oh please marg let me clarify. I am not the raj who is the moderator of the > group. I am a participant like yourself who just feels that the group needs > some sort of balance. I don't want to offend Bhaskar. he takes every slight > so personally that he still holds resentment. I don't understand why he > can't let anything go. I have let things go along time ago. it is the only > way spiritually is to surrender somehow. slowly but surely it will happen > for all of us. well I just wanted to say that I don't mean to create sides > once again but it happens because of the nature of this group. it used to be > a free exchange of very decent astrologers. yes some astrologers are clearly > more knowledgable than others but some of their knowledge is contrary to the > others. that doesn't mean they are wrong however just their techniques are > more advanced or they just maybe from an altogether different point of view. > so I once again apologize for my behavior however I don't want to feel > inferior in this group and I don't want others made to feel inferior as > well. > > > > sincerely, > > > > __________ > > Raja G. Gursahani > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Dear Raj, I do know that Raj Rao is moderator of the group, and yes you are someone who recognises some sort of balance is needed, which is also a form of moderating. I didn't feel you had anything to apologise for to be honest, your meaning was quite clear, unless I have missed a mail which is possible as, like many others with very little time to spare, I moderate my own personal list, though I doubt you would be on it, as your language is decent, honest, legal and truthful:-) Yes I too miss the equanimity of the decent and respectable astrologers who have left, though a few have remained and I enjoy reading their contributions, though dont always get time to reply. As for your spiritual surrender well even Parasara says only good follows those who are peacefully disposed.............and the good follow them. best wishes M - Raja Gursahani Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:57 PM Re: you see marg i think oh please marg let me clarify. I am not the raj who is the moderator of the group. I am a participant like yourself who just feels that the group needs some sort of balance. I don't want to offend Bhaskar. he takes every slight so personally that he still holds resentment. I don't understand why he can't let anything go. I have let things go along time ago. it is the only way spiritually is to surrender somehow. slowly but surely it will happen for all of us. well I just wanted to say that I don't mean to create sides once again but it happens because of the nature of this group. it used to be a free exchange of very decent astrologers. yes some astrologers are clearly more knowledgable than others but some of their knowledge is contrary to the others. that doesn't mean they are wrong however just their techniques are more advanced or they just maybe from an altogether different point of view. so I once again apologize for my behavior however I don't want to feel inferior in this group and I don't want others made to feel inferior as well. sincerely, ________ Raja G. Gursahani *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 // and yes you are someone who recognises some sort of balance is needed // // I didn't feel you had anything to apologise for to be honest, your meaning was quite clear // // I doubt you would be on it, as your language is decent, honest, legal and truthful // // As for your spiritual surrender well even Parasara says only good follows those who are peacefully disposed.............and the good follow them. // What type of wrong signals are you sending to people like Raja who are now realsing ( It seems apparently) that he has uttered wrong statenments in past, and willing to forget these ? He was honest ? He was decent ? He was legal ? he was truthful ? He is peacefully disposed ? What rubbish thrash are you talking here ? He has picked on my parents and uttered heinous statements in past. He has picked on my ascendant and tried to throw me out many times unsuccessfully by pooling in like minded people . Is this what You call as truthful,decent, peaceful disposition, legal and honesty ? Is this what you have been taught ? I wonder what type of profession your mother must be in, and what type of upbringing you must have had, if you call such actions as truthful, decent, honest and peacefully disposed . Your definitions of truthfuly, honesty, decency is perverted and psychotic. You seem to come from a scrizhophenic family. You have not seen the provocations made by him umpteen of times here ? What type of civil war you are trying to create over here by your baseless siding of such activities and putting your rubber stamp of approval on same ? let me know what profession Your father is into. I hope he is not doing some illegal work in support of your mother who too it seems is into illegal type of work, the way you resulted, I wish to know seriously. And I also wish to know how was Raja creating balance in this Group by his aforesaid activities ? Bhaskar. , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Raj, > > I do know that Raj Rao is moderator of the group, and yes you are someone who > recognises some sort of balance is needed, which is also a form of moderating. > I didn't feel you had anything to apologise for to be honest, your meaning was quite clear, > unless I have missed a mail which is possible as, like many others with very little time to spare, > I moderate my own personal list, though > I doubt you would be on it, as your language is decent, honest, legal and truthful:-) > > Yes I too miss the equanimity of the decent and respectable astrologers who have left, > though a few have remained and I enjoy reading their contributions, > though dont always get time to reply. As for your spiritual surrender well > even Parasara says only good follows those who are peacefully disposed.............and > the good follow them. > > best wishes > M - > Raja Gursahani > > Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:57 PM > Re: you see marg i think > > > oh please marg let me clarify. I am not the raj who is the moderator of the > group. I am a participant like yourself who just feels that the group needs > some sort of balance. I don't want to offend Bhaskar. he takes every slight > so personally that he still holds resentment. I don't understand why he > can't let anything go. I have let things go along time ago. it is the only > way spiritually is to surrender somehow. slowly but surely it will happen > for all of us. well I just wanted to say that I don't mean to create sides > once again but it happens because of the nature of this group. it used to be > a free exchange of very decent astrologers. yes some astrologers are clearly > more knowledgable than others but some of their knowledge is contrary to the > others. that doesn't mean they are wrong however just their techniques are > more advanced or they just maybe from an altogether different point of view. > so I once again apologize for my behavior however I don't want to feel > inferior in this group and I don't want others made to feel inferior as > well. > > sincerely, > > ________ > > Raja G. Gursahani > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Dear Margaret, I have been noticing You ignoring my last few mails , which is a wise step rather than confrontations. I do appreciate this attitude from You. Now please allow me to put the record straight. But I was eliciting a response from You for my last mail, which unfortunately did not come. I had wished you to feel the hurt and pain which I felt when my parents were spoken bad of, and respond caustically so that I could have replied in full force. But you did not fall for this trap apparently and evidently , and I admire you for this. I also admire you for most of Your mails let me confess, save a few (We of course cant be perfect all the times),where you have sided with wrong utterances and people, but that is my perception, for you it may be the right approach. Now since You have not given me any opportunity and neither responded the way I wished, Let me take this opportunity to beg pardon for having spoken wrong of Your parents Profession, who of course must be highly respected, and about whom I have no right to talk and comment. believe me I am not that type of person to talk dirty of anyone, unnecessarily and the previous mail was just to arouse the responses which I experienced so that You could come in my seat, where I was, a few months ago. What I mentioned in my last mail was artificial and had to reluctantly and half heartedly write that, for the aforesaid reaons. It pained me to write what I did. I am from a family which respects its own elders and elders of other families too. I am not here to hurt anyone It was done deliberately , but not actually meant from the heart. Hope issue is cleared. And you do not nurture any untowards feelings for me. regards, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > // and yes you are someone who recognises some sort of > balance is needed // > // I didn't feel you had anything to apologise for to be honest, > your meaning was quite clear // > // I doubt you would be on it, as your language is decent, honest, > legal and truthful // > // As for your spiritual surrender well even Parasara says only good > follows those who are peacefully disposed.............and > the good follow them. // > > What type of wrong signals are you sending to > people like Raja who are now realsing ( It seems apparently) > that he has uttered wrong statenments in past, and willing to > forget these ? > > He was honest ? He was decent ? He was legal ? > he was truthful ? He is peacefully disposed ? > What rubbish thrash are you talking here ? He has picked > on my parents and uttered heinous statements in > past. He has picked on my ascendant and tried to throw > me out many times unsuccessfully by pooling in like > minded people . Is this what You call as truthful,decent, > peaceful disposition, legal and honesty ? > Is this what you have been taught ? I wonder what type of > profession your mother must be in, and what type of > upbringing you must have had, if you call such > actions as truthful, decent, honest and peacefully > disposed . Your definitions of truthfuly, honesty, > decency is perverted and psychotic. You seem > to come from a scrizhophenic family. > You have not seen the provocations made by > him umpteen of times here ? What type of civil war you > are trying to create over here by your baseless siding of > such activities and putting your rubber stamp of approval > on same ? let me know what profession Your father is into. > I hope he is not doing some illegal work > in support of your mother who too it seems is into illegal > type of work, the way you resulted, I > wish to know seriously. And I also wish to know how was > Raja creating balance in this Group by his aforesaid > activities ? > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > I do know that Raj Rao is moderator of the group, and yes you are > someone who > > recognises some sort of balance is needed, which is also a form of > moderating. > > I didn't feel you had anything to apologise for to be honest, your > meaning was quite clear, > > unless I have missed a mail which is possible as, like many others > with very little time to spare, > > I moderate my own personal list, though > > I doubt you would be on it, as your language is decent, honest, > legal and truthful:-) > > > > Yes I too miss the equanimity of the decent and respectable > astrologers who have left, > > though a few have remained and I enjoy reading their contributions, > > though dont always get time to reply. As for your spiritual > surrender well > > even Parasara says only good follows those who are peacefully > disposed.............and > > the good follow them. > > > > best wishes > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Raja Gursahani > > > > Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:57 PM > > Re: you see marg i think > > > > > > oh please marg let me clarify. I am not the raj who is the > moderator of the > > group. I am a participant like yourself who just feels that the > group needs > > some sort of balance. I don't want to offend Bhaskar. he takes > every slight > > so personally that he still holds resentment. I don't understand > why he > > can't let anything go. I have let things go along time ago. it is > the only > > way spiritually is to surrender somehow. slowly but surely it > will happen > > for all of us. well I just wanted to say that I don't mean to > create sides > > once again but it happens because of the nature of this group. it > used to be > > a free exchange of very decent astrologers. yes some astrologers > are clearly > > more knowledgable than others but some of their knowledge is > contrary to the > > others. that doesn't mean they are wrong however just their > techniques are > > more advanced or they just maybe from an altogether different > point of view. > > so I once again apologize for my behavior however I don't want to > feel > > inferior in this group and I don't want others made to feel > inferior as > > well. > > > > sincerely, > > > > ________ > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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