The Secret of the Syamantaka Jewel Revealed, part 2

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Dear John,

 

Interesting deductions yet again !!

 

A small confusion :You have mentioned that the 9th represents Krishna/King.My

understanding is that that the 10th represents the the sovereign/ruler

 

Could you please englighten me on this point

 

Thanks once again for this interesting posting

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

 

 

 

John <jr_esq wrote:

Namaste Aavesh and All:

 

The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic nature of

human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of knowledge through

moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of the king is he

represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd house. This is

the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators were motivated

by money or material gains. We should specifically note that the

uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he is the 6th

from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

 

Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of knowledge can

be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle). We note that

the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house, the field of

higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house is

materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the world.

Despite this background, this knowledge will promote some good since

it is a dharma house.

 

For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key to making a

person successful in the world, especially when it conjuncts with the

kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to be a Rajah

Yoga.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

, aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:

>

> Dear John,

>

> Interesting observations and deductions !!

>

> Looking forward to your next mail

>

> Regards,

>

> aavesh

>

>

> John <jr_esq wrote:

> Namaste Aavesh and All:

>

> The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is our brains and

> shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the spiritual and

> material level to gain the support of Nature while being active in

> the world.

>

> Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies in reflecting

> the power of the Sun, the significator of enlightenment that

provides

> light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain is the

> repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses that allow

us

> to perceive the world.

>

> At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain to gain

> knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the story that

the

> king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the second house

> from the 9th or the 10th house.

>

> Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at the temple of

> the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th house from the

> 9th house, or the 12th house.

>

> In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th house is the

> field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It is the house

> signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the loss of

material

> possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who has access to

> this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's blessings.

> And, this is realized by the argalas that are activated when the

12th

> house is strengthened.

>

> Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned gains or

friends

> since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th house. Also, we

> gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs or religion

> since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th house. We can go

> through the progression of argalas to the various houses and

> determine how the benefits are gained.

>

> The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that transpired against

> the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles involved in my

next

> posting.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

> , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear John,

> >

> > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the Jyotish

> interpretation of this story

> >

> > Looking forward to hear from you

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > aavesh

> >

> >

> >

> > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > To All:

> >

> > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of Syamantaka jewel

> that

> > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his daughter, to

> Krishna

> > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine mounds of

gold

> > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The general

> > population also benefited in that the weather became ideal, and

> kept

> > away any natural disasters including plagues and pestilence.

> >

> > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted this jewel for

> > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the jewel and

> > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> >

> > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to followup on his

> > relatives in another location. When Krishna was gone, a

conspiracy

> > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel from the king.

> > The conspirators included a person who lusted for the king's

> daughter

> > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle of Krishna

was

> > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the conspirators

> > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> >

> > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back to the city

and

> > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy. However, Krishna

> found

> > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession. Rather, it

was

> > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle moved out of the

> > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the jewel was no

> > longer in the city, the population started to suffer in terms of

> > health and wealth.

> >

> > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated with his

uncle

> > to return to the city and appease the people's complaints. Upon

the

> > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together and stated

that

> > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he stays in the

> > city.

> >

> > It is said that those who hear this story will gain benefits from

> its

> > message.

> >

> > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge for me to

analyze

> > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish principles.

Please,

> > let me know.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click

> here.

> >

> >

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What is the name of the

Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

story is dedicated, as per your message ?

 

Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

in the Bhagavata Purana ?

 

How can anyone connect Jyotish

with these Purananic stories

and each and every event in these

stories ?

 

How would this Jyotish connected to

such events serve any purpose,for future

predictive astrology ?

 

What has been proved after all this ?

 

rgrds/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> And how does the 5th represent Higher

> Learning ?

> If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> represent with regards to Learning ?

>

> How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> Pl. explain.

>

> rgrds/Bhaskar.

>

>

, " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> >

> > The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic nature

of

> > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of knowledge

> through

> > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of the king

is

> he

> > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd house.

This

> is

> > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators were

> motivated

> > by money or material gains. We should specifically note that

the

> > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he is the

6th

> > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> >

> > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of knowledge

> can

> > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle). We note

> that

> > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house, the

field

> of

> > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house is

> > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the world.

> > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote some good

> since

> > it is a dharma house.

> >

> > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key to making

a

> > person successful in the world, especially when it conjuncts

with

> the

> > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to be a

Rajah

> > Yoga.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear John,

> > >

> > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > >

> > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > aavesh

> > >

> > >

> > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > >

> > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is our

brains

> and

> > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the spiritual

> and

> > > material level to gain the support of Nature while being

active

> in

> > > the world.

> > >

> > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies in

> reflecting

> > > the power of the Sun, the significator of enlightenment that

> > provides

> > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain is the

> > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses that

> allow

> > us

> > > to perceive the world.

> > >

> > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain to gain

> > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the story

that

> > the

> > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the second

> house

> > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > >

> > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at the

temple

> of

> > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th house from

> the

> > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > >

> > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th house

is

> the

> > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It is the

> house

> > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the loss of

> > material

> > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who has access

> to

> > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's

> blessings.

> > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are activated when

the

> > 12th

> > > house is strengthened.

> > >

> > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned gains or

> > friends

> > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th house.

Also,

> we

> > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs or

religion

> > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th house. We

can

> go

> > > through the progression of argalas to the various houses and

> > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > >

> > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that transpired

> against

> > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles involved in

my

> > next

> > > posting.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear John,

> > > >

> > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the Jyotish

> > > interpretation of this story

> > > >

> > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > To All:

> > > >

> > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of Syamantaka

> jewel

> > > that

> > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his daughter,

to

> > > Krishna

> > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine mounds

of

> > gold

> > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The general

> > > > population also benefited in that the weather became ideal,

> and

> > > kept

> > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and pestilence.

> > > >

> > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted this

jewel

> for

> > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the jewel

and

> > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> > > >

> > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to followup on

his

> > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was gone, a

> > conspiracy

> > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel from the

> king.

> > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for the king's

> > > daughter

> > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle of

Krishna

> > was

> > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

conspirators

> > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > >

> > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back to the

city

> > and

> > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy. However,

Krishna

> > > found

> > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession. Rather,

it

> > was

> > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle moved out

of

> the

> > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the jewel was

no

> > > > longer in the city, the population started to suffer in

terms

> of

> > > > health and wealth.

> > > >

> > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated with

his

> > uncle

> > > > to return to the city and appease the people's complaints.

> Upon

> > the

> > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together and

stated

> > that

> > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he stays

in

> the

> > > > city.

> > > >

> > > > It is said that those who hear this story will gain benefits

> from

> > > its

> > > > message.

> > > >

> > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge for me to

> > analyze

> > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish principles.

> > Please,

> > > > let me know.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox.

> Click

> > > here.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear mr. John,

 

If my mails may have hurt you, then

I am absolutely sorry for the same.

I do not mean to stump your leaning

towards connecting the events mentioned

with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

no right to do the same. It was just making

me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

and waste the efforts, which is why

I wrote those two mails.

 

If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

is a religious and a good person, and I know

him, then why should I interfere, in his

messages.

 

Okay., hope this is cleared,

whether you are the same John or not.

 

I will no more come in this thread, for do

not wish to hurt people

who are into religious learnings and readings.

I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

and retrospection.

 

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> What is the name of the

> Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> story is dedicated, as per your message ?

>

> Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> in the Bhagavata Purana ?

>

> How can anyone connect Jyotish

> with these Purananic stories

> and each and every event in these

> stories ?

>

> How would this Jyotish connected to

> such events serve any purpose,for future

> predictive astrology ?

>

> What has been proved after all this ?

>

> rgrds/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > Learning ?

> > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > represent with regards to Learning ?

> >

> > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > Pl. explain.

> >

> > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > >

> > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic nature

> of

> > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of knowledge

> > through

> > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of the king

> is

> > he

> > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd house.

> This

> > is

> > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators were

> > motivated

> > > by money or material gains. We should specifically note that

> the

> > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he is the

> 6th

> > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > >

> > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of

knowledge

> > can

> > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle). We

note

> > that

> > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house, the

> field

> > of

> > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house is

> > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the

world.

> > > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote some good

> > since

> > > it is a dharma house.

> > >

> > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key to

making

> a

> > > person successful in the world, especially when it conjuncts

> with

> > the

> > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to be a

> Rajah

> > > Yoga.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear John,

> > > >

> > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > >

> > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > >

> > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is our

> brains

> > and

> > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the

spiritual

> > and

> > > > material level to gain the support of Nature while being

> active

> > in

> > > > the world.

> > > >

> > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies in

> > reflecting

> > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of enlightenment that

> > > provides

> > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain is the

> > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses that

> > allow

> > > us

> > > > to perceive the world.

> > > >

> > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain to gain

> > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the story

> that

> > > the

> > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the second

> > house

> > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > >

> > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at the

> temple

> > of

> > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th house

from

> > the

> > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > >

> > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th house

> is

> > the

> > > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It is

the

> > house

> > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the loss of

> > > material

> > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who has

access

> > to

> > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's

> > blessings.

> > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are activated when

> the

> > > 12th

> > > > house is strengthened.

> > > >

> > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned gains

or

> > > friends

> > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th house.

> Also,

> > we

> > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs or

> religion

> > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th house. We

> can

> > go

> > > > through the progression of argalas to the various houses and

> > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > >

> > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that transpired

> > against

> > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles involved in

> my

> > > next

> > > > posting.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear John,

> > > > >

> > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the Jyotish

> > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > >

> > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > To All:

> > > > >

> > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of Syamantaka

> > jewel

> > > > that

> > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his daughter,

> to

> > > > Krishna

> > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine mounds

> of

> > > gold

> > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The general

> > > > > population also benefited in that the weather became

ideal,

> > and

> > > > kept

> > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and

pestilence.

> > > > >

> > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted this

> jewel

> > for

> > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the jewel

> and

> > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to followup on

> his

> > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was gone, a

> > > conspiracy

> > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel from

the

> > king.

> > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for the

king's

> > > > daughter

> > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle of

> Krishna

> > > was

> > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

> conspirators

> > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > >

> > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back to the

> city

> > > and

> > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy. However,

> Krishna

> > > > found

> > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession.

Rather,

> it

> > > was

> > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle moved out

> of

> > the

> > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the jewel

was

> no

> > > > > longer in the city, the population started to suffer in

> terms

> > of

> > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > >

> > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated with

> his

> > > uncle

> > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's complaints.

> > Upon

> > > the

> > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together and

> stated

> > > that

> > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he stays

> in

> > the

> > > > > city.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will gain

benefits

> > from

> > > > its

> > > > > message.

> > > > >

> > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge for me

to

> > > analyze

> > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish

principles.

> > > Please,

> > > > > let me know.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > John R.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox.

> > Click

> > > > here.

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Bhaskar,

 

My replies are as follows:

 

1. In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

 

The 9th house is in reference to the mundane chart or the individual

chart. The 9th house is also called Vishnusthana. Therefore, the

house represents the cosmic Omnipotent Deity which should be applied

to all human beings' chart.

 

2. And how does the 5th represent Higher

> Learning ?

 

Jyotishis based in northern India consider the 5th house to be the

field encompassign education in general.

 

3. If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> represent with regards to Learning ?

 

In southern India, however, the jyotishis there consider the 4th

house to be field to describe educational matters. KN Rao considers

the 9th house, among other significations, to represent higher

learning at the post graduate level.

 

In modern day application, we can use the 4th house to represent

basic education up to the high school level, using the standards here

in the USA. The 5th house would represent the college level.

Finally, the 9th house would represent education from MBA to PHD

levels.

 

4. How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> Pl. explain.

 

Draupadi was the wife of the five Pandava brothers. It is logical to

conclude that she would represent the wife and lover at the same

time. The principle being presented apparently is that in any

relationship whether marriage or romantic the five senses will be

involved. If any one of these are ignored, the relationship will

suffer.

 

Specifically, Venus in the panchamsa and the trimshamsa charts

represents the water element which represents the sense of taste or

food. If one of the partners' favorite foods are not offered in the

dinner table, it is a practical sign to indicate that the

relationship will not last for long.

 

Further, I will answer the rest of your emails when I come home

later tonight.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

> rgrds/Bhaskar.

>

>

, " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> >

> > The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic nature of

> > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of knowledge

> through

> > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of the king is

> he

> > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd house.

This

> is

> > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators were

> motivated

> > by money or material gains. We should specifically note that the

> > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he is the

6th

> > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> >

> > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of knowledge

> can

> > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle). We note

> that

> > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house, the field

> of

> > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house is

> > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the world.

> > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote some good

> since

> > it is a dharma house.

> >

> > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key to making

a

> > person successful in the world, especially when it conjuncts with

> the

> > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to be a

Rajah

> > Yoga.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear John,

> > >

> > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > >

> > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > aavesh

> > >

> > >

> > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > >

> > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is our brains

> and

> > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the spiritual

> and

> > > material level to gain the support of Nature while being active

> in

> > > the world.

> > >

> > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies in

> reflecting

> > > the power of the Sun, the significator of enlightenment that

> > provides

> > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain is the

> > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses that

> allow

> > us

> > > to perceive the world.

> > >

> > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain to gain

> > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the story

that

> > the

> > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the second

> house

> > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > >

> > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at the

temple

> of

> > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th house from

> the

> > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > >

> > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th house is

> the

> > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It is the

> house

> > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the loss of

> > material

> > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who has access

> to

> > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's

> blessings.

> > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are activated when

the

> > 12th

> > > house is strengthened.

> > >

> > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned gains or

> > friends

> > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th house. Also,

> we

> > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs or

religion

> > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th house. We can

> go

> > > through the progression of argalas to the various houses and

> > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > >

> > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that transpired

> against

> > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles involved in my

> > next

> > > posting.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear John,

> > > >

> > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the Jyotish

> > > interpretation of this story

> > > >

> > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > To All:

> > > >

> > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of Syamantaka

> jewel

> > > that

> > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his daughter, to

> > > Krishna

> > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine mounds of

> > gold

> > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The general

> > > > population also benefited in that the weather became ideal,

> and

> > > kept

> > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and pestilence.

> > > >

> > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted this jewel

> for

> > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the jewel and

> > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> > > >

> > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to followup on

his

> > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was gone, a

> > conspiracy

> > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel from the

> king.

> > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for the king's

> > > daughter

> > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle of

Krishna

> > was

> > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

conspirators

> > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > >

> > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back to the

city

> > and

> > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy. However,

Krishna

> > > found

> > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession. Rather,

it

> > was

> > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle moved out of

> the

> > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the jewel was

no

> > > > longer in the city, the population started to suffer in terms

> of

> > > > health and wealth.

> > > >

> > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated with his

> > uncle

> > > > to return to the city and appease the people's complaints.

> Upon

> > the

> > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together and

stated

> > that

> > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he stays in

> the

> > > > city.

> > > >

> > > > It is said that those who hear this story will gain benefits

> from

> > > its

> > > > message.

> > > >

> > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge for me to

> > analyze

> > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish principles.

> > Please,

> > > > let me know.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox.

> Click

> > > here.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Namaste Aavesh and all:

 

It is practical to use the 9th house as the house of one's Deity,

king, or guru. For example, the house of the guru is the temple, the

4th house from the 9th house, represented by the 12th house. In

Krishna's case, his true kingdom is not of this world, which is aptly

represened by the 12th house.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

, aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:

>

> Dear John,

>

> Interesting deductions yet again !!

>

> A small confusion :You have mentioned that the 9th represents

Krishna/King.My understanding is that that the 10th represents the

the sovereign/ruler

>

> Could you please englighten me on this point

>

> Thanks once again for this interesting posting

>

> Regards,

>

> aavesh

>

>

>

>

> John <jr_esq wrote:

> Namaste Aavesh and All:

>

> The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic nature of

> human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of knowledge

through

> moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of the king is he

> represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd house. This

is

> the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators were motivated

> by money or material gains. We should specifically note that the

> uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he is the 6th

> from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

>

> Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of knowledge can

> be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle). We note that

> the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house, the field

of

> higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house is

> materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the world.

> Despite this background, this knowledge will promote some good

since

> it is a dharma house.

>

> For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key to making a

> person successful in the world, especially when it conjuncts with

the

> kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to be a Rajah

> Yoga.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

> , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear John,

> >

> > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> >

> > Looking forward to your next mail

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > aavesh

> >

> >

> > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> >

> > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is our brains

and

> > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the spiritual and

> > material level to gain the support of Nature while being active

in

> > the world.

> >

> > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies in

reflecting

> > the power of the Sun, the significator of enlightenment that

> provides

> > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain is the

> > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses that allow

> us

> > to perceive the world.

> >

> > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain to gain

> > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the story that

> the

> > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the second house

> > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> >

> > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at the temple

of

> > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th house from the

> > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> >

> > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th house is

the

> > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It is the

house

> > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the loss of

> material

> > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who has access to

> > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's blessings.

> > And, this is realized by the argalas that are activated when the

> 12th

> > house is strengthened.

> >

> > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned gains or

> friends

> > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th house. Also,

we

> > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs or religion

> > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th house. We can

go

> > through the progression of argalas to the various houses and

> > determine how the benefits are gained.

> >

> > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that transpired

against

> > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles involved in my

> next

> > posting.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear John,

> > >

> > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the Jyotish

> > interpretation of this story

> > >

> > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > aavesh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > To All:

> > >

> > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of Syamantaka jewel

> > that

> > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his daughter, to

> > Krishna

> > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine mounds of

> gold

> > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The general

> > > population also benefited in that the weather became ideal, and

> > kept

> > > away any natural disasters including plagues and pestilence.

> > >

> > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted this jewel

for

> > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the jewel and

> > > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> > >

> > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to followup on his

> > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was gone, a

> conspiracy

> > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel from the

king.

> > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for the king's

> > daughter

> > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle of Krishna

> was

> > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the conspirators

> > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > >

> > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back to the city

> and

> > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy. However, Krishna

> > found

> > > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession. Rather, it

> was

> > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle moved out of

the

> > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the jewel was no

> > > longer in the city, the population started to suffer in terms

of

> > > health and wealth.

> > >

> > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated with his

> uncle

> > > to return to the city and appease the people's complaints. Upon

> the

> > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together and stated

> that

> > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he stays in

the

> > > city.

> > >

> > > It is said that those who hear this story will gain benefits

from

> > its

> > > message.

> > >

> > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge for me to

> analyze

> > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish principles.

> Please,

> > > let me know.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click

> > here.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Bhaskar,

 

My replies to your questions are as follows:

 

1. What is the name of the

> Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> story is dedicated, as per your message ?

 

Krishna's uncle is named Akrura. See the Shrimad Bhagavatam, Canto

10, part II, chapter 22.

 

2. Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> in the Bhagavata Purana ?

 

The story in the SB did not mention Jambavaan. Perhaps, you should

tell us how this is related to the gem.

 

3. How can anyone connect Jyotish

> with these Purananic stories

> and each and every event in these

> stories ?

 

All stories that have a message to the readers, particularly those

with messages with moral values, can be seen confirmed through

jyotish principles. In my opinion, the vedic writers intended to

deliver their messages in several modes of expression, such as

symbols, numbers, and jyotish principles.

 

For example, there is the story of the two guards in heaven, Jaya and

Vijaya, who prevented the four Kumaras from entering the gates to

heaven. In my opinion, the writer of this story is telling us of a

jyotish principle which should be applied in jyotish practice. If

there is any interest in this matter, we can discuss this story in

the future.

 

4. How would this Jyotish connected to

> such events serve any purpose,for future

> predictive astrology ?

 

All these principles have direct bearing to practicing jyotish. In

my opinion, jyotish includes the understanding the factors that lead

to an event in the future. By presenting the contributing factors,

the native can have a better understanding of his or her life.

 

5. What has been proved after all this ?

 

There are subtle messages in the vedic stories. We should analyze

and attempt to understand them in terms of jyotish principles. As

such, jyotish practitioners will have a deeper understanding of

jyotish as a science of light.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

> rgrds/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > Learning ?

> > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > represent with regards to Learning ?

> >

> > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > Pl. explain.

> >

> > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > >

> > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic nature

> of

> > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of knowledge

> > through

> > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of the king

> is

> > he

> > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd house.

> This

> > is

> > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators were

> > motivated

> > > by money or material gains. We should specifically note that

> the

> > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he is the

> 6th

> > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > >

> > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of knowledge

> > can

> > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle). We note

> > that

> > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house, the

> field

> > of

> > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house is

> > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the

world.

> > > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote some good

> > since

> > > it is a dharma house.

> > >

> > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key to

making

> a

> > > person successful in the world, especially when it conjuncts

> with

> > the

> > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to be a

> Rajah

> > > Yoga.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear John,

> > > >

> > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > >

> > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > >

> > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is our

> brains

> > and

> > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the spiritual

> > and

> > > > material level to gain the support of Nature while being

> active

> > in

> > > > the world.

> > > >

> > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies in

> > reflecting

> > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of enlightenment that

> > > provides

> > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain is the

> > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses that

> > allow

> > > us

> > > > to perceive the world.

> > > >

> > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain to gain

> > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the story

> that

> > > the

> > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the second

> > house

> > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > >

> > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at the

> temple

> > of

> > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th house from

> > the

> > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > >

> > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th house

> is

> > the

> > > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It is the

> > house

> > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the loss of

> > > material

> > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who has

access

> > to

> > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's

> > blessings.

> > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are activated when

> the

> > > 12th

> > > > house is strengthened.

> > > >

> > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned gains or

> > > friends

> > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th house.

> Also,

> > we

> > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs or

> religion

> > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th house. We

> can

> > go

> > > > through the progression of argalas to the various houses and

> > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > >

> > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that transpired

> > against

> > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles involved in

> my

> > > next

> > > > posting.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear John,

> > > > >

> > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the Jyotish

> > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > >

> > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > To All:

> > > > >

> > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of Syamantaka

> > jewel

> > > > that

> > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his daughter,

> to

> > > > Krishna

> > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine mounds

> of

> > > gold

> > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The general

> > > > > population also benefited in that the weather became ideal,

> > and

> > > > kept

> > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and pestilence.

> > > > >

> > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted this

> jewel

> > for

> > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the jewel

> and

> > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to followup on

> his

> > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was gone, a

> > > conspiracy

> > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel from the

> > king.

> > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for the

king's

> > > > daughter

> > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle of

> Krishna

> > > was

> > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

> conspirators

> > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > >

> > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back to the

> city

> > > and

> > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy. However,

> Krishna

> > > > found

> > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession. Rather,

> it

> > > was

> > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle moved out

> of

> > the

> > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the jewel was

> no

> > > > > longer in the city, the population started to suffer in

> terms

> > of

> > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > >

> > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated with

> his

> > > uncle

> > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's complaints.

> > Upon

> > > the

> > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together and

> stated

> > > that

> > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he stays

> in

> > the

> > > > > city.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will gain

benefits

> > from

> > > > its

> > > > > message.

> > > > >

> > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge for me to

> > > analyze

> > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish principles.

> > > Please,

> > > > > let me know.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > John R.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox.

> > Click

> > > > here.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Bhaskar,

 

 

> If my mails may have hurt you, then

> I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> I do not mean to stump your leaning

> towards connecting the events mentioned

> with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> no right to do the same. It was just making

> me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> and waste the efforts, which is why

> I wrote those two mails.

 

I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all defend our

observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can do this by

presenting our arguments with solid explanations to support one's

point of view.

 

 

 

> If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> is a religious and a good person, and I know

> him, then why should I interfere, in his

> messages.

 

I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from other forums. It

appears that he lives in India. However, I live in California, USA.

 

 

> Okay., hope this is cleared,

> whether you are the same John or not.

>

> I will no more come in this thread, for do

> not wish to hurt people

> who are into religious learnings and readings.

> I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> and retrospection.

 

We should encourage the members here to write their opinion about any

jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason and observations.

 

I did not take any offense to any of your questions. I'm taking it

as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other members should

take the same attitude in any of their postings.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > What is the name of the

> > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> >

> > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> >

> > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > with these Purananic stories

> > and each and every event in these

> > stories ?

> >

> > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > predictive astrology ?

> >

> > What has been proved after all this ?

> >

> > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > Learning ?

> > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > >

> > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > Pl. explain.

> > >

> > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > >

> > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic

nature

> > of

> > > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of knowledge

> > > through

> > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of the

king

> > is

> > > he

> > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd house.

> > This

> > > is

> > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators were

> > > motivated

> > > > by money or material gains. We should specifically note that

> > the

> > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he is

the

> > 6th

> > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > >

> > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of

> knowledge

> > > can

> > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle). We

> note

> > > that

> > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house, the

> > field

> > > of

> > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house is

> > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the

> world.

> > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote some

good

> > > since

> > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > >

> > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key to

> making

> > a

> > > > person successful in the world, especially when it conjuncts

> > with

> > > the

> > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to be a

> > Rajah

> > > > Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear John,

> > > > >

> > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > >

> > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is our

> > brains

> > > and

> > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the

> spiritual

> > > and

> > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature while being

> > active

> > > in

> > > > > the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies in

> > > reflecting

> > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of enlightenment

that

> > > > provides

> > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain is the

> > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses that

> > > allow

> > > > us

> > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain to

gain

> > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the story

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the second

> > > house

> > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at the

> > temple

> > > of

> > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th house

> from

> > > the

> > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th

house

> > is

> > > the

> > > > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It is

> the

> > > house

> > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the loss of

> > > > material

> > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who has

> access

> > > to

> > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's

> > > blessings.

> > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are activated

when

> > the

> > > > 12th

> > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > >

> > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned gains

> or

> > > > friends

> > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th house.

> > Also,

> > > we

> > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs or

> > religion

> > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th house. We

> > can

> > > go

> > > > > through the progression of argalas to the various houses

and

> > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > >

> > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that transpired

> > > against

> > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles involved

in

> > my

> > > > next

> > > > > posting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > John R.

> > > > >

> > > > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the Jyotish

> > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > To All:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of Syamantaka

> > > jewel

> > > > > that

> > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his

daughter,

> > to

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine

mounds

> > of

> > > > gold

> > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The

general

> > > > > > population also benefited in that the weather became

> ideal,

> > > and

> > > > > kept

> > > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and

> pestilence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted this

> > jewel

> > > for

> > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the jewel

> > and

> > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to followup

on

> > his

> > > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was gone, a

> > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel from

> the

> > > king.

> > > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for the

> king's

> > > > > daughter

> > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle of

> > Krishna

> > > > was

> > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

> > conspirators

> > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back to the

> > city

> > > > and

> > > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy. However,

> > Krishna

> > > > > found

> > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession.

> Rather,

> > it

> > > > was

> > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle moved

out

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the jewel

> was

> > no

> > > > > > longer in the city, the population started to suffer in

> > terms

> > > of

> > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated with

> > his

> > > > uncle

> > > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's

complaints.

> > > Upon

> > > > the

> > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together and

> > stated

> > > > that

> > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he

stays

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > city.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will gain

> benefits

> > > from

> > > > > its

> > > > > > message.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge for me

> to

> > > > analyze

> > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish

> principles.

> > > > Please,

> > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John R.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox.

> > > Click

> > > > > here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear John,

 

You write well. Keep it up.

 

Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who gets kicked out

of groups quite often. He can not stand a person smater or more

learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority complex.

 

It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

 

Have a nice day,

 

Ranbir

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> Bhaskar,

>

>

> > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > I wrote those two mails.

>

> I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all defend our

> observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can do this by

> presenting our arguments with solid explanations to support one's

> point of view.

>

>

>

> > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > messages.

>

> I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from other forums. It

> appears that he lives in India. However, I live in California,

USA.

>

>

> > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > whether you are the same John or not.

> >

> > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > not wish to hurt people

> > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > and retrospection.

>

> We should encourage the members here to write their opinion about

any

> jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason and

observations.

>

> I did not take any offense to any of your questions. I'm taking

it

> as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other members

should

> take the same attitude in any of their postings.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

>

>

> kind regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > What is the name of the

> > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > >

> > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > >

> > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > with these Purananic stories

> > > and each and every event in these

> > > stories ?

> > >

> > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > predictive astrology ?

> > >

> > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > >

> > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > Learning ?

> > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > >

> > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > Pl. explain.

> > > >

> > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > >

> > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic

> nature

> > > of

> > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of

knowledge

> > > > through

> > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of the

> king

> > > is

> > > > he

> > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd

house.

> > > This

> > > > is

> > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators were

> > > > motivated

> > > > > by money or material gains. We should specifically note

that

> > > the

> > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he is

> the

> > > 6th

> > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > >

> > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of

> > knowledge

> > > > can

> > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle). We

> > note

> > > > that

> > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house,

the

> > > field

> > > > of

> > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house is

> > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the

> > world.

> > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote some

> good

> > > > since

> > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > >

> > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key to

> > making

> > > a

> > > > > person successful in the world, especially when it

conjuncts

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to be

a

> > > Rajah

> > > > > Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > John R.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is our

> > > brains

> > > > and

> > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the

> > spiritual

> > > > and

> > > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature while being

> > > active

> > > > in

> > > > > > the world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies in

> > > > reflecting

> > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of enlightenment

> that

> > > > > provides

> > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain is

the

> > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses

that

> > > > allow

> > > > > us

> > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain to

> gain

> > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the

story

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the

second

> > > > house

> > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at

the

> > > temple

> > > > of

> > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th house

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th

> house

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It

is

> > the

> > > > house

> > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the loss

of

> > > > > material

> > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who has

> > access

> > > > to

> > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's

> > > > blessings.

> > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are activated

> when

> > > the

> > > > > 12th

> > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned

gains

> > or

> > > > > friends

> > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th

house.

> > > Also,

> > > > we

> > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs or

> > > religion

> > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th house.

We

> > > can

> > > > go

> > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the various houses

> and

> > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that

transpired

> > > > against

> > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles

involved

> in

> > > my

> > > > > next

> > > > > > posting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John R.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , aavesh t

<aavesh_s@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the Jyotish

> > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of

Syamantaka

> > > > jewel

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his

> daughter,

> > > to

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine

> mounds

> > > of

> > > > > gold

> > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The

> general

> > > > > > > population also benefited in that the weather became

> > ideal,

> > > > and

> > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and

> > pestilence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted

this

> > > jewel

> > > > for

> > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the

jewel

> > > and

> > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to

followup

> on

> > > his

> > > > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was gone,

a

> > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel

from

> > the

> > > > king.

> > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for the

> > king's

> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle of

> > > Krishna

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

> > > conspirators

> > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back to

the

> > > city

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy. However,

> > > Krishna

> > > > > > found

> > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession.

> > Rather,

> > > it

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle moved

> out

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the

jewel

> > was

> > > no

> > > > > > > longer in the city, the population started to suffer

in

> > > terms

> > > > of

> > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated

with

> > > his

> > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's

> complaints.

> > > > Upon

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together

and

> > > stated

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he

> stays

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will gain

> > benefits

> > > > from

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge for

me

> > to

> > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish

> > principles.

> > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your

inbox.

> > > > Click

> > > > > > here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Ranbir,

 

You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

who has made this id, just few days back

( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

been kicked out of Forum.

 

Ranbir,

please give your identiity, real name,

age, sex, academic

and professional qualifications,

and your contributions to astrology columns.

 

Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

your true identiy.

 

We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

 

If You are a man born of one father

identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

 

And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

its the other way round. So just be cautious.

 

rgrds/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> Dear John,

>

> You write well. Keep it up.

>

> Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who gets kicked out

> of groups quite often. He can not stand a person smater or more

> learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority complex.

>

> It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

>

> Have a nice day,

>

> Ranbir

>

>

>

>

, " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar,

> >

> >

> > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > I wrote those two mails.

> >

> > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all defend our

> > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can do this by

> > presenting our arguments with solid explanations to support

one's

> > point of view.

> >

> >

> >

> > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > messages.

> >

> > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from other forums.

It

> > appears that he lives in India. However, I live in California,

> USA.

> >

> >

> > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > >

> > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > not wish to hurt people

> > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > and retrospection.

> >

> > We should encourage the members here to write their opinion

about

> any

> > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason and

> observations.

> >

> > I did not take any offense to any of your questions. I'm taking

> it

> > as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other members

> should

> > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > kind regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > What is the name of the

> > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > >

> > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > >

> > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > stories ?

> > > >

> > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > >

> > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > >

> > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > >

> > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > >

> > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic

> > nature

> > > > of

> > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of

> knowledge

> > > > > through

> > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of

the

> > king

> > > > is

> > > > > he

> > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd

> house.

> > > > This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators

were

> > > > > motivated

> > > > > > by money or material gains. We should specifically note

> that

> > > > the

> > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he

is

> > the

> > > > 6th

> > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of

> > > knowledge

> > > > > can

> > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle).

We

> > > note

> > > > > that

> > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house,

> the

> > > > field

> > > > > of

> > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house

is

> > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the

> > > world.

> > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote

some

> > good

> > > > > since

> > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key

to

> > > making

> > > > a

> > > > > > person successful in the world, especially when it

> conjuncts

> > > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to

be

> a

> > > > Rajah

> > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John R.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , aavesh t

<aavesh_s@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is

our

> > > > brains

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the

> > > spiritual

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature while

being

> > > > active

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies

in

> > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of

enlightenment

> > that

> > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain

is

> the

> > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses

> that

> > > > > allow

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain

to

> > gain

> > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the

> story

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the

> second

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at

> the

> > > > temple

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th

house

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th

> > house

> > > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It

> is

> > > the

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the

loss

> of

> > > > > > material

> > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who

has

> > > access

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's

> > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are

activated

> > when

> > > > the

> > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned

> gains

> > > or

> > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th

> house.

> > > > Also,

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs

or

> > > > religion

> > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th

house.

> We

> > > > can

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the various

houses

> > and

> > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that

> transpired

> > > > > against

> > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles

> involved

> > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > next

> > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , aavesh t

> <aavesh_s@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the

Jyotish

> > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of

> Syamantaka

> > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his

> > daughter,

> > > > to

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine

> > mounds

> > > > of

> > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The

> > general

> > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the weather became

> > > ideal,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and

> > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted

> this

> > > > jewel

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the

> jewel

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to

> followup

> > on

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was

gone,

> a

> > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel

> from

> > > the

> > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for

the

> > > king's

> > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle

of

> > > > Krishna

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

> > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back

to

> the

> > > > city

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy.

However,

> > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession.

> > > Rather,

> > > > it

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle

moved

> > out

> > > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the

> jewel

> > > was

> > > > no

> > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population started to suffer

> in

> > > > terms

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated

> with

> > > > his

> > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's

> > complaints.

> > > > > Upon

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together

> and

> > > > stated

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he

> > stays

> > > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will gain

> > > benefits

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge

for

> me

> > > to

> > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish

> > > principles.

> > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your

> inbox.

> > > > > Click

> > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Bhaskar,

 

Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for my

qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am already a well

paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients like you.

 

Ranbir

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Ranbir,

>

> You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> who has made this id, just few days back

> ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> been kicked out of Forum.

>

> Ranbir,

> please give your identiity, real name,

> age, sex, academic

> and professional qualifications,

> and your contributions to astrology columns.

>

> Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> your true identiy.

>

> We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

>

> If You are a man born of one father

> identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

>

> And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> its the other way round. So just be cautious.

>

> rgrds/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear John,

> >

> > You write well. Keep it up.

> >

> > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who gets kicked

out

> > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person smater or more

> > learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority complex.

> >

> > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

> >

> > Have a nice day,

> >

> > Ranbir

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar,

> > >

> > >

> > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > >

> > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all defend our

> > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can do this by

> > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations to support

> one's

> > > point of view.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > messages.

> > >

> > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from other

forums.

> It

> > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live in

California,

> > USA.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > >

> > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > and retrospection.

> > >

> > > We should encourage the members here to write their opinion

> about

> > any

> > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason and

> > observations.

> > >

> > > I did not take any offense to any of your questions. I'm

taking

> > it

> > > as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other members

> > should

> > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > kind regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > >

> > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > stories ?

> > > > >

> > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > >

> > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > >

> > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the

materialistic

> > > nature

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of

> > knowledge

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of

> the

> > > king

> > > > > is

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd

> > house.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators

> were

> > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should specifically

note

> > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since

he

> is

> > > the

> > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his

uncle).

> We

> > > > note

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th

house,

> > the

> > > > > field

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house

> is

> > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in

the

> > > > world.

> > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote

> some

> > > good

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key

> to

> > > > making

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > person successful in the world, especially when it

> > conjuncts

> > > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination

to

> be

> > a

> > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , aavesh t

> <aavesh_s@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is

> our

> > > > > brains

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature while

> being

> > > > > active

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power

lies

> in

> > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of

> enlightenment

> > > that

> > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain

> is

> > the

> > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the

senses

> > that

> > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain

> to

> > > gain

> > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in

the

> > story

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the

> > second

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained

at

> > the

> > > > > temple

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th

> house

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the

12th

> > > house

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness.

It

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the

> loss

> > of

> > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who

> has

> > > > access

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of

Nature's

> > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are

> activated

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned

> > gains

> > > > or

> > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th

> > house.

> > > > > Also,

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs

> or

> > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th

> house.

> > We

> > > > > can

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the various

> houses

> > > and

> > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that

> > transpired

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles

> > involved

> > > in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , aavesh t

> > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the

> Jyotish

> > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of

> > Syamantaka

> > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his

> > > daughter,

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating

nine

> > > mounds

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The

> > > general

> > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the weather

became

> > > > ideal,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and

> > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted

> > this

> > > > > jewel

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back

the

> > jewel

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city

temple.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to

> > followup

> > > on

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was

> gone,

> > a

> > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for

> the

> > > > king's

> > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The

uncle

> of

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

> > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back

> to

> > the

> > > > > city

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy.

> However,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's

possession.

> > > > Rather,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle

> moved

> > > out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the

> > jewel

> > > > was

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population started to

suffer

> > in

> > > > > terms

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna

negotiated

> > with

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's

> > > complaints.

> > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people

together

> > and

> > > > > stated

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while

he

> > > stays

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will

gain

> > > > benefits

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge

> for

> > me

> > > > to

> > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish

> > > > principles.

> > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your

> > inbox.

> > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions -

 

> > all

> > > > > under

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Baby,

 

If You would have looked for clients

like me,

you would have done some service to

ur family

where u were born

instead of wastinh ur time here.,

u are really a zealous person having

nothing 2 do either with

his wife,

or his own pastimes.

And u need some clients from me,

beg me,

i will pass over

to you,

but prove

that you are capable

of serving them,

we just dont need lickers,

but servers.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> Bhaskar,

>

> Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for my

> qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am already a well

> paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients like you.

>

> Ranbir

>

>

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Ranbir,

> >

> > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > who has made this id, just few days back

> > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > been kicked out of Forum.

> >

> > Ranbir,

> > please give your identiity, real name,

> > age, sex, academic

> > and professional qualifications,

> > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> >

> > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > your true identiy.

> >

> > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

> >

> > If You are a man born of one father

> > identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

> >

> > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> >

> > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear John,

> > >

> > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > >

> > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who gets kicked

> out

> > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person smater or

more

> > > learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority complex.

> > >

> > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

> > >

> > > Have a nice day,

> > >

> > > Ranbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > >

> > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all defend our

> > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can do this

by

> > > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations to support

> > one's

> > > > point of view.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > messages.

> > > >

> > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from other

> forums.

> > It

> > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live in

> California,

> > > USA.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > and retrospection.

> > > >

> > > > We should encourage the members here to write their opinion

> > about

> > > any

> > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason and

> > > observations.

> > > >

> > > > I did not take any offense to any of your questions. I'm

> taking

> > > it

> > > > as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other members

> > > should

> > > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the

> materialistic

> > > > nature

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of

> > > knowledge

> > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy

of

> > the

> > > > king

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the

2nd

> > > house.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators

> > were

> > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should specifically

> note

> > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since

> he

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition

of

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his

> uncle).

> > We

> > > > > note

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th

> house,

> > > the

> > > > > > field

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this

house

> > is

> > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in

> the

> > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote

> > some

> > > > good

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is

key

> > to

> > > > > making

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > person successful in the world, especially when it

> > > conjuncts

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination

> to

> > be

> > > a

> > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , aavesh t

> > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel

is

> > our

> > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at

the

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature while

> > being

> > > > > > active

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power

> lies

> > in

> > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of

> > enlightenment

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our

brain

> > is

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the

> senses

> > > that

> > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our

brain

> > to

> > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in

> the

> > > story

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is

the

> > > second

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained

> at

> > > the

> > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th

> > house

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the

> 12th

> > > > house

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of

consciousness.

> It

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying

the

> > loss

> > > of

> > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone

who

> > has

> > > > > access

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of

> Nature's

> > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are

> > activated

> > > > when

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for

unearned

> > > gains

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th

> > > house.

> > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our

beliefs

> > or

> > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th

> > house.

> > > We

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the various

> > houses

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that

> > > transpired

> > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles

> > > involved

> > > > in

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , aavesh t

> > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the

> > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of

> > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his

> > > > daughter,

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating

> nine

> > > > mounds

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel.

The

> > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the weather

> became

> > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and

> > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king

wanted

> > > this

> > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back

> the

> > > jewel

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city

> temple.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to

> > > followup

> > > > on

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was

> > gone,

> > > a

> > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the

jewel

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted

for

> > the

> > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The

> uncle

> > of

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually,

the

> > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came

back

> > to

> > > the

> > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy.

> > However,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's

> possession.

> > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle

> > moved

> > > > out

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since

the

> > > jewel

> > > > > was

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population started to

> suffer

> > > in

> > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna

> negotiated

> > > with

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's

> > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people

> together

> > > and

> > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle

while

> he

> > > > stays

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will

> gain

> > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a

priviledge

> > for

> > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish

> > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in

your

> > > inbox.

> > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss your

passions -

>

> > > all

> > > > > > under

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Demented Kid,

 

What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every body knows that

you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl from one group

to another. You keep being shunted out from every where.

Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why would you not

stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not stick to your own

group because no body comes to your group to seek your help. Every

body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to read articles from

learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I know how best to

utilise my time. You should bother for your next bread tomorrow.

 

Ranbir

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Baby,

>

> If You would have looked for clients

> like me,

> you would have done some service to

> ur family

> where u were born

> instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> u are really a zealous person having

> nothing 2 do either with

> his wife,

> or his own pastimes.

> And u need some clients from me,

> beg me,

> i will pass over

> to you,

> but prove

> that you are capable

> of serving them,

> we just dont need lickers,

> but servers.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar,

> >

> > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for my

> > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am already a well

> > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients like you.

> >

> > Ranbir

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Ranbir,

> > >

> > > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > >

> > > Ranbir,

> > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > age, sex, academic

> > > and professional qualifications,

> > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > >

> > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > your true identiy.

> > >

> > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

> > >

> > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

> > >

> > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > >

> > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear John,

> > > >

> > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > >

> > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who gets

kicked

> > out

> > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person smater or

> more

> > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority complex.

> > > >

> > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

> > > >

> > > > Have a nice day,

> > > >

> > > > Ranbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all defend our

> > > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can do this

> by

> > > > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations to

support

> > > one's

> > > > > point of view.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > messages.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from other

> > forums.

> > > It

> > > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live in

> > California,

> > > > USA.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > >

> > > > > We should encourage the members here to write their

opinion

> > > about

> > > > any

> > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason and

> > > > observations.

> > > > >

> > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your questions. I'm

> > taking

> > > > it

> > > > > as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other

members

> > > > should

> > > > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > John R.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " John "

<jr_esq@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the

> > materialistic

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition

of

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy

> of

> > > the

> > > > > king

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the

> 2nd

> > > > house.

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the

conspirators

> > > were

> > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should

specifically

> > note

> > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category,

since

> > he

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition

> of

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his

> > uncle).

> > > We

> > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th

> > house,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this

> house

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success

in

> > the

> > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will

promote

> > > some

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is

> key

> > > to

> > > > > > making

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person successful in the world, especially when it

> > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the

combination

> > to

> > > be

> > > > a

> > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , aavesh t

> > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka

Jewel

> is

> > > our

> > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at

> the

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature

while

> > > being

> > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power

> > lies

> > > in

> > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of

> > > enlightenment

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our

> brain

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the

> > senses

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our

> brain

> > > to

> > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see

in

> > the

> > > > story

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is

> the

> > > > second

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be

maintained

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the

4th

> > > house

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart,

the

> > 12th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of

> consciousness.

> > It

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying

> the

> > > loss

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone

> who

> > > has

> > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of

> > Nature's

> > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are

> > > activated

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for

> unearned

> > > > gains

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the

12th

> > > > house.

> > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our

> beliefs

> > > or

> > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the

12th

> > > house.

> > > > We

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the

various

> > > houses

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that

> > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles

> > > > involved

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , aavesh t

> > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the

> > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of

> > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with

his

> > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating

> > nine

> > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel.

> The

> > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the weather

> > became

> > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues

and

> > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king

> wanted

> > > > this

> > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave

back

> > the

> > > > jewel

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city

> > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to

> > > > followup

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna

was

> > > gone,

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the

> jewel

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The

> > uncle

> > > of

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually,

> the

> > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came

> back

> > > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy.

> > > However,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's

> > possession.

> > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his

uncle

> > > moved

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since

> the

> > > > jewel

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population started to

> > suffer

> > > > in

> > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna

> > negotiated

> > > > with

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's

> > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people

> > together

> > > > and

> > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle

> while

> > he

> > > > > stays

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will

> > gain

> > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a

> priviledge

> > > for

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of

jyotish

> > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in

> your

> > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss your

> passions -

> >

> > > > all

> > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lamenting Tommy,

 

Identify yourself before speaking

any further.

Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

qualifications, if any, address,

and contact cell numbers.

 

If you cannot do above, then do not give

any sermons or pass

judgements,

it would be considered that you

are among those,

who appear on Signals when the

car is waiting at Red Light,

clapping both your hands and asking

for money.

You have already been proved a coward,

since within 2 days of opening

id you have taken out so much info

about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

which means you are a old member with

a new id, come here in this form,

just to provocate Bhaskar.

Identify yourself and then continue..

If You do not identify yourself, it

would also be considered that you

do not have a single lineage or parentage

but multiples of these.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> Demented Kid,

>

> What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every body knows that

> you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl from one

group

> to another. You keep being shunted out from every where.

> Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why would you not

> stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not stick to your

own

> group because no body comes to your group to seek your help. Every

> body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to read articles

from

> learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I know how best

to

> utilise my time. You should bother for your next bread tomorrow.

>

> Ranbir

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Baby,

> >

> > If You would have looked for clients

> > like me,

> > you would have done some service to

> > ur family

> > where u were born

> > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > u are really a zealous person having

> > nothing 2 do either with

> > his wife,

> > or his own pastimes.

> > And u need some clients from me,

> > beg me,

> > i will pass over

> > to you,

> > but prove

> > that you are capable

> > of serving them,

> > we just dont need lickers,

> > but servers.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > > I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for my

> > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am already a

well

> > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients like

you.

> > >

> > > Ranbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ranbir,

> > > >

> > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> > > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > >

> > > > Ranbir,

> > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > >

> > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > your true identiy.

> > > >

> > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

> > > >

> > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

> > > >

> > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > >

> > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear John,

> > > > >

> > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who gets

> kicked

> > > out

> > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person smater or

> > more

> > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority

complex.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranbir

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all defend

our

> > > > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can do

this

> > by

> > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations to

> support

> > > > one's

> > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from other

> > > forums.

> > > > It

> > > > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live in

> > > California,

> > > > > USA.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We should encourage the members here to write their

> opinion

> > > > about

> > > > > any

> > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason and

> > > > > observations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your questions.

I'm

> > > taking

> > > > > it

> > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other

> members

> > > > > should

> > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John R.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " John "

> <jr_esq@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the

> > > materialistic

> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition

> of

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the

enemy

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or

the

> > 2nd

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the

> conspirators

> > > > were

> > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should

> specifically

> > > note

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category,

> since

> > > he

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the

acquisition

> > of

> > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his

> > > uncle).

> > > > We

> > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th

> > > house,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this

> > house

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for

success

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will

> promote

> > > > some

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord

is

> > key

> > > > to

> > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world, especially when

it

> > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the

> combination

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , aavesh t

> > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka

> Jewel

> > is

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained

at

> > the

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature

> while

> > > > being

> > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's

power

> > > lies

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of

> > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our

> > brain

> > > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of

the

> > > senses

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our

> > brain

> > > > to

> > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see

> in

> > > the

> > > > > story

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel

is

> > the

> > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be

> maintained

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the

> 4th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart,

> the

> > > 12th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of

> > consciousness.

> > > It

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field

signifying

> > the

> > > > loss

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts.

Anyone

> > who

> > > > has

> > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of

> > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are

> > > > activated

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for

> > unearned

> > > > > gains

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the

> 12th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our

> > beliefs

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the

> 12th

> > > > house.

> > > > > We

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the

> various

> > > > houses

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy

that

> > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish

principles

> > > > > involved

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , aavesh t

> > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear

the

> > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story

of

> > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with

> his

> > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for

creating

> > > nine

> > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the

jewel.

> > The

> > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the

weather

> > > became

> > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues

> and

> > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king

> > wanted

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave

> back

> > > the

> > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city

> > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city

to

> > > > > followup

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna

> was

> > > > gone,

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the

> > jewel

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who

lusted

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna.

The

> > > uncle

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy.

Eventually,

> > the

> > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon

came

> > back

> > > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the

conspiracy.

> > > > However,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's

> > > possession.

> > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his

> uncle

> > > > moved

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna.

Since

> > the

> > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population started

to

> > > suffer

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna

> > > negotiated

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the

people's

> > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people

> > > together

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle

> > while

> > > he

> > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story

will

> > > gain

> > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a

> > priviledge

> > > > for

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of

> jyotish

> > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails

in

> > your

> > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss your

> > passions -

> > >

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rspctd Ranbir ji .Pl refrain from casting doubts or aspersion on any members

integrity or knowledge.The communication between Bhaskar ji and S John ji had

ended without any acrimony .Either show ur astrology knowledge to be much

superior and better than that of Sh Bhaskar ji or else avoid confrontation and

express apologies.Surely a senior executive like u can give benefit to other

members of the forum with his pearls of wisdom and astro experiences.

with regards

Dr a mehta

 

" ranbir.tokas " <ranbir.tokas wrote:

Bhaskar,

 

Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for my

qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am already a well

paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients like you.

 

Ranbir

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Ranbir,

>

> You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> who has made this id, just few days back

> ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> been kicked out of Forum.

>

> Ranbir,

> please give your identiity, real name,

> age, sex, academic

> and professional qualifications,

> and your contributions to astrology columns.

>

> Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> your true identiy.

>

> We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

>

> If You are a man born of one father

> identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

>

> And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> its the other way round. So just be cautious.

>

> rgrds/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear John,

> >

> > You write well. Keep it up.

> >

> > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who gets kicked

out

> > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person smater or more

> > learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority complex.

> >

> > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

> >

> > Have a nice day,

> >

> > Ranbir

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar,

> > >

> > >

> > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > >

> > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all defend our

> > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can do this by

> > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations to support

> one's

> > > point of view.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > messages.

> > >

> > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from other

forums.

> It

> > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live in

California,

> > USA.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > >

> > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > and retrospection.

> > >

> > > We should encourage the members here to write their opinion

> about

> > any

> > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason and

> > observations.

> > >

> > > I did not take any offense to any of your questions. I'm

taking

> > it

> > > as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other members

> > should

> > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > kind regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > >

> > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > stories ?

> > > > >

> > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > >

> > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > >

> > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the

materialistic

> > > nature

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of

> > knowledge

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of

> the

> > > king

> > > > > is

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd

> > house.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators

> were

> > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should specifically

note

> > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since

he

> is

> > > the

> > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his

uncle).

> We

> > > > note

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th

house,

> > the

> > > > > field

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house

> is

> > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in

the

> > > > world.

> > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote

> some

> > > good

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key

> to

> > > > making

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > person successful in the world, especially when it

> > conjuncts

> > > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination

to

> be

> > a

> > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , aavesh t

> <aavesh_s@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is

> our

> > > > > brains

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature while

> being

> > > > > active

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power

lies

> in

> > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of

> enlightenment

> > > that

> > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain

> is

> > the

> > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the

senses

> > that

> > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain

> to

> > > gain

> > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in

the

> > story

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the

> > second

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained

at

> > the

> > > > > temple

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th

> house

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the

12th

> > > house

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness.

It

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the

> loss

> > of

> > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who

> has

> > > > access

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of

Nature's

> > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are

> activated

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned

> > gains

> > > > or

> > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th

> > house.

> > > > > Also,

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs

> or

> > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th

> house.

> > We

> > > > > can

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the various

> houses

> > > and

> > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that

> > transpired

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles

> > involved

> > > in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , aavesh t

> > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the

> Jyotish

> > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of

> > Syamantaka

> > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his

> > > daughter,

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating

nine

> > > mounds

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The

> > > general

> > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the weather

became

> > > > ideal,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and

> > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted

> > this

> > > > > jewel

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back

the

> > jewel

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city

temple.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to

> > followup

> > > on

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was

> gone,

> > a

> > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for

> the

> > > > king's

> > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The

uncle

> of

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

> > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back

> to

> > the

> > > > > city

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy.

> However,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's

possession.

> > > > Rather,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle

> moved

> > > out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the

> > jewel

> > > > was

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population started to

suffer

> > in

> > > > > terms

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna

negotiated

> > with

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's

> > > complaints.

> > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people

together

> > and

> > > > > stated

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while

he

> > > stays

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will

gain

> > > > benefits

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge

> for

> > me

> > > > to

> > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish

> > > > principles.

> > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your

> > inbox.

> > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions -

 

> > all

> > > > > under

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Lovely Tommy

 

Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

 

I own an astrology group on paper only. The group started with a lot

of fanfare but crashed before it could take off, therefore I keep

haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is like making rounds

of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no body thinks that I

am an astrologer although I have read books by Bhasin. People

consider that unless I read classics I can not be a good astrologer.

For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a little

smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to impress clients

when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I love this hybrid

system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

 

When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out in the groups I

cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family to feed, make

two ends meet and so on. But when some one challenges me I claim to

be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I hope that the

people will be taken in but they are smart and see through my

laments and claims.

 

When I tell people that what a great service I will be doing by

providing free astrological advice, but people laugh and tell me

that it will be like free samples in advertising to get clients so

that I have my next meals. With so many learned astrologers in the

groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of a chance to

impress probable customers. With no work in hand and people not

taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily. Anger and bad

language makes an astrologer perfect.

 

Although I think that I am the most learned astrologer around but no

body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I am such a

shameless fellow that I continue with my antics. That is one of the

reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every thing so that

people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The I get really

frustrated.

 

Some people think that I am a mental case suffering from a lot of

complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me that I go and

see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is true.

 

In case you want more about me, I can come up with some more

information.

 

Ranbir

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Lamenting Tommy,

>

> Identify yourself before speaking

> any further.

> Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> qualifications, if any, address,

> and contact cell numbers.

>

> If you cannot do above, then do not give

> any sermons or pass

> judgements,

> it would be considered that you

> are among those,

> who appear on Signals when the

> car is waiting at Red Light,

> clapping both your hands and asking

> for money.

> You have already been proved a coward,

> since within 2 days of opening

> id you have taken out so much info

> about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> which means you are a old member with

> a new id, come here in this form,

> just to provocate Bhaskar.

> Identify yourself and then continue..

> If You do not identify yourself, it

> would also be considered that you

> do not have a single lineage or parentage

> but multiples of these.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > Demented Kid,

> >

> > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every body knows

that

> > you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl from one

> group

> > to another. You keep being shunted out from every where.

> > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why would you

not

> > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not stick to your

> own

> > group because no body comes to your group to seek your help.

Every

> > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to read articles

> from

> > learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I know how

best

> to

> > utilise my time. You should bother for your next bread tomorrow.

> >

> > Ranbir

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Baby,

> > >

> > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > like me,

> > > you would have done some service to

> > > ur family

> > > where u were born

> > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > his wife,

> > > or his own pastimes.

> > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > beg me,

> > > i will pass over

> > > to you,

> > > but prove

> > > that you are capable

> > > of serving them,

> > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > but servers.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > > > I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for my

> > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am already a

> well

> > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients like

> you.

> > > >

> > > > Ranbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > > > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

> > > > >

> > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

> > > > >

> > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > > >

> > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who gets

> > kicked

> > > > out

> > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person smater

or

> > > more

> > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority

> complex.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all defend

> our

> > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can do

> this

> > > by

> > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations to

> > support

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from other

> > > > forums.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live in

> > > > California,

> > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We should encourage the members here to write their

> > opinion

> > > > > about

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason

and

> > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your questions.

> I'm

> > > > taking

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other

> > members

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the

> > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal

acquisition

> > of

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the

> enemy

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or

> the

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the

> > conspirators

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should

> > specifically

> > > > note

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category,

> > since

> > > > he

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the

> acquisition

> > > of

> > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his

> > > > uncle).

> > > > > We

> > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the

5th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from

this

> > > house

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for

> success

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will

> > promote

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house

lord

> is

> > > key

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world, especially

when

> it

> > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the

> > combination

> > > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , aavesh t

> > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka

> > Jewel

> > > is

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained

> at

> > > the

> > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature

> > while

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's

> power

> > > > lies

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of

> > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance.

Our

> > > brain

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of

> the

> > > > senses

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain

our

> > > brain

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we

see

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His

jewel

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be

> > maintained

> > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is

the

> > 4th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual

chart,

> > the

> > > > 12th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of

> > > consciousness.

> > > > It

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field

> signifying

> > > the

> > > > > loss

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts.

> Anyone

> > > who

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits

of

> > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that

are

> > > > > activated

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for

> > > unearned

> > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from

the

> > 12th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our

> > > beliefs

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the

> > 12th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the

> > various

> > > > > houses

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy

> that

> > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish

> principles

> > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , aavesh

t

> > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear

> the

> > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a

story

> of

> > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along

with

> > his

> > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for

> creating

> > > > nine

> > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the

> jewel.

> > > The

> > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the

> weather

> > > > became

> > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including

plagues

> > and

> > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the

king

> > > wanted

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave

> > back

> > > > the

> > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the

city

> > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the

city

> to

> > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When

Krishna

> > was

> > > > > gone,

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal

the

> > > jewel

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who

> lusted

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna.

> The

> > > > uncle

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy.

> Eventually,

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon

> came

> > > back

> > > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the

> conspiracy.

> > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's

> > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his

> > uncle

> > > > > moved

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna.

> Since

> > > the

> > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population started

> to

> > > > suffer

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna

> > > > negotiated

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the

> people's

> > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people

> > > > together

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by

uncle

> > > while

> > > > he

> > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story

> will

> > > > gain

> > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a

> > > priviledge

> > > > > for

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of

> > jyotish

> > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails

> in

> > > your

> > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss your

> > > passions -

> > > >

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

Qualifications, academic and professional,

and address with contact Nos.

 

Come up with these, and not long

lectures.

 

You only mirror your own shortcomings

and deficiencies by wasting

time on such lectures.

 

Empty vessels make the most noise,

which u r doing presently.

 

You also seem to be suffering from

Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> Lovely Tommy

>

> Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

>

> I own an astrology group on paper only. The group started with a

lot

> of fanfare but crashed before it could take off, therefore I

keep

> haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is like making

rounds

> of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no body thinks that

I

> am an astrologer although I have read books by Bhasin. People

> consider that unless I read classics I can not be a good

astrologer.

> For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a little

> smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to impress clients

> when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I love this

hybrid

> system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

>

> When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out in the groups

I

> cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family to feed, make

> two ends meet and so on. But when some one challenges me I claim

to

> be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I hope that the

> people will be taken in but they are smart and see through my

> laments and claims.

>

> When I tell people that what a great service I will be doing by

> providing free astrological advice, but people laugh and tell me

> that it will be like free samples in advertising to get clients so

> that I have my next meals. With so many learned astrologers in

the

> groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of a chance to

> impress probable customers. With no work in hand and people not

> taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily. Anger and bad

> language makes an astrologer perfect.

>

> Although I think that I am the most learned astrologer around but

no

> body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I am such a

> shameless fellow that I continue with my antics. That is one of

the

> reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every thing so that

> people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The I get really

> frustrated.

>

> Some people think that I am a mental case suffering from a lot of

> complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me that I go and

> see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is true.

>

> In case you want more about me, I can come up with some more

> information.

>

> Ranbir

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Lamenting Tommy,

> >

> > Identify yourself before speaking

> > any further.

> > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > qualifications, if any, address,

> > and contact cell numbers.

> >

> > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > any sermons or pass

> > judgements,

> > it would be considered that you

> > are among those,

> > who appear on Signals when the

> > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > clapping both your hands and asking

> > for money.

> > You have already been proved a coward,

> > since within 2 days of opening

> > id you have taken out so much info

> > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > which means you are a old member with

> > a new id, come here in this form,

> > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > would also be considered that you

> > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > but multiples of these.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Demented Kid,

> > >

> > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every body knows

> that

> > > you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl from one

> > group

> > > to another. You keep being shunted out from every where.

> > > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why would you

> not

> > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not stick to

your

> > own

> > > group because no body comes to your group to seek your help.

> Every

> > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to read

articles

> > from

> > > learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I know how

> best

> > to

> > > utilise my time. You should bother for your next bread

tomorrow.

> > >

> > > Ranbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Baby,

> > > >

> > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > like me,

> > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > ur family

> > > > where u were born

> > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > his wife,

> > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > beg me,

> > > > i will pass over

> > > > to you,

> > > > but prove

> > > > that you are capable

> > > > of serving them,

> > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > but servers.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for my

> > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am already

a

> > well

> > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients

like

> > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranbir

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > > > > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who

gets

> > > kicked

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person

smater

> or

> > > > more

> > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority

> > complex.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all

defend

> > our

> > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can

do

> > this

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations to

> > > support

> > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from

other

> > > > > forums.

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live in

> > > > > California,

> > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here to write their

> > > opinion

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason

> and

> > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your

questions.

> > I'm

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other

> > > members

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the

> > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal

> acquisition

> > > of

> > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the

> > enemy

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house,

or

> > the

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the

> > > conspirators

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should

> > > specifically

> > > > > note

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this

category,

> > > since

> > > > > he

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the

> > acquisition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing

his

> > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the

> 5th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from

> this

> > > > house

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for

> > success

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will

> > > promote

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house

> lord

> > is

> > > > key

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world, especially

> when

> > it

> > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the

> > > combination

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , aavesh

t

> > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and

deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the

Syamantaka

> > > Jewel

> > > > is

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be

maintained

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of

Nature

> > > while

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's

> > power

> > > > > lies

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of

> > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance.

> Our

> > > > brain

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism

of

> > the

> > > > > senses

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain

> our

> > > > brain

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we

> see

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His

> jewel

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be

> > > maintained

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is

> the

> > > 4th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual

> chart,

> > > the

> > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of

> > > > consciousness.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field

> > signifying

> > > > the

> > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts.

> > Anyone

> > > > who

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits

> of

> > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that

> are

> > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential

for

> > > > unearned

> > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from

> the

> > > 12th

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of

our

> > > > beliefs

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from

the

> > > 12th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the

> > > various

> > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the

conspiracy

> > that

> > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish

> > principles

> > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

aavesh

> t

> > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to

hear

> > the

> > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a

> story

> > of

> > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along

> with

> > > his

> > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for

> > creating

> > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the

> > jewel.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the

> > weather

> > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including

> plagues

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the

> king

> > > > wanted

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna

gave

> > > back

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the

> city

> > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the

> city

> > to

> > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When

> Krishna

> > > was

> > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal

> the

> > > > jewel

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who

> > lusted

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from

Krishna.

> > The

> > > > > uncle

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy.

> > Eventually,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon

> > came

> > > > back

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the

> > conspiracy.

> > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's

> > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time,

his

> > > uncle

> > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna.

> > Since

> > > > the

> > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population

started

> > to

> > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition,

Krishna

> > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the

> > people's

> > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the

people

> > > > > together

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by

> uncle

> > > > while

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this

story

> > will

> > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a

> > > > priviledge

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of

> > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of

mails

> > in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss your

> > > > passions -

> > > > >

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The lines you wrote sum up what I had always wanted to tell about me.

 

" You also seem to be suffering from

Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

 

Wow you got me so right.

 

Ranbir

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

>

> What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> Qualifications, academic and professional,

> and address with contact Nos.

>

> Come up with these, and not long

> lectures.

>

> You only mirror your own shortcomings

> and deficiencies by wasting

> time on such lectures.

>

> Empty vessels make the most noise,

> which u r doing presently.

>

> You also seem to be suffering from

> Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

>

> Bhaskar.

, " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > Lovely Tommy

> >

> > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> >

> > I own an astrology group on paper only. The group started with a

> lot

> > of fanfare but crashed before it could take off, therefore I

> keep

> > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is like making

> rounds

> > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no body thinks

that

> I

> > am an astrologer although I have read books by Bhasin. People

> > consider that unless I read classics I can not be a good

> astrologer.

> > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a little

> > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to impress

clients

> > when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I love this

> hybrid

> > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> >

> > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out in the

groups

> I

> > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family to feed,

make

> > two ends meet and so on. But when some one challenges me I claim

> to

> > be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I hope that

the

> > people will be taken in but they are smart and see through my

> > laments and claims.

> >

> > When I tell people that what a great service I will be doing by

> > providing free astrological advice, but people laugh and tell me

> > that it will be like free samples in advertising to get clients

so

> > that I have my next meals. With so many learned astrologers in

> the

> > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of a chance to

> > impress probable customers. With no work in hand and people not

> > taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily. Anger and bad

> > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> >

> > Although I think that I am the most learned astrologer around

but

> no

> > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I am such a

> > shameless fellow that I continue with my antics. That is one of

> the

> > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every thing so

that

> > people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The I get

really

> > frustrated.

> >

> > Some people think that I am a mental case suffering from a lot

of

> > complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me that I go

and

> > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is true.

> >

> > In case you want more about me, I can come up with some more

> > information.

> >

> > Ranbir

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > >

> > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > any further.

> > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > and contact cell numbers.

> > >

> > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > any sermons or pass

> > > judgements,

> > > it would be considered that you

> > > are among those,

> > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > for money.

> > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > which means you are a old member with

> > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > would also be considered that you

> > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > but multiples of these.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Demented Kid,

> > > >

> > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every body

knows

> > that

> > > > you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl from

one

> > > group

> > > > to another. You keep being shunted out from every where.

> > > > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why would

you

> > not

> > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not stick to

> your

> > > own

> > > > group because no body comes to your group to seek your help.

> > Every

> > > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to read

> articles

> > > from

> > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I know how

> > best

> > > to

> > > > utilise my time. You should bother for your next bread

> tomorrow.

> > > >

> > > > Ranbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Baby,

> > > > >

> > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > like me,

> > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > ur family

> > > > > where u were born

> > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > his wife,

> > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > beg me,

> > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > to you,

> > > > > but prove

> > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > but servers.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for

my

> > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am

already

> a

> > > well

> > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients

> like

> > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > > > > > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who

> gets

> > > > kicked

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person

> smater

> > or

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority

> > > complex.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " John "

<jr_esq@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all

> defend

> > > our

> > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can

> do

> > > this

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations

to

> > > > support

> > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just

remembered

> > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from

> other

> > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live

in

> > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here to write

their

> > > > opinion

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with

reason

> > and

> > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your

> questions.

> > > I'm

> > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own observations.

Other

> > > > members

> > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal

> > acquisition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that

the

> > > enemy

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house,

> or

> > > the

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the

> > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should

> > > > specifically

> > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this

> category,

> > > > since

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the

> > > acquisition

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing

> his

> > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes

the

> > 5th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained

from

> > this

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for

> > > success

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge

will

> > > > promote

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house

> > lord

> > > is

> > > > > key

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world, especially

> > when

> > > it

> > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the

> > > > combination

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

aavesh

> t

> > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and

> deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the

> Syamantaka

> > > > Jewel

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be

> maintained

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of

> Nature

> > > > while

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the

brain's

> > > power

> > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator

of

> > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of

ignorance.

> > Our

> > > > > brain

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to

maintain

> > our

> > > > > brain

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus,

we

> > see

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His

> > jewel

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be

> > > > maintained

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple

is

> > the

> > > > 4th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual

> > chart,

> > > > the

> > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of

> > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field

> > > signifying

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts.

> > > Anyone

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the

benefits

> > of

> > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas

that

> > are

> > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential

> for

> > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala

from

> > the

> > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of

> our

> > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from

> the

> > > > 12th

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to

the

> > > > various

> > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the

> conspiracy

> > > that

> > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish

> > > principles

> > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> aavesh

> > t

> > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to

> hear

> > > the

> > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a

> > story

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka,

along

> > with

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for

> > > creating

> > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held

the

> > > jewel.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the

> > > weather

> > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including

> > plagues

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the

> > king

> > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna

> gave

> > > > back

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in

the

> > city

> > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the

> > city

> > > to

> > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When

> > Krishna

> > > > was

> > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to

steal

> > the

> > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who

> > > lusted

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from

> Krishna.

> > > The

> > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy.

> > > Eventually,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel

away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna

soon

> > > came

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the

> > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the

man's

> > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time,

> his

> > > > uncle

> > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from

Krishna.

> > > Since

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population

> started

> > > to

> > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition,

> Krishna

> > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the

> > > people's

> > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the

> people

> > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by

> > uncle

> > > > > while

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this

> story

> > > will

> > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a

> > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms

of

> > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of

> mails

> > > in

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

have

> > been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss

your

> > > > > passions -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I got U right more than U know

about urself.

 

U r the most obssessed astrologer

about me, in his late 40's who

is not able to live in this much

heat of jealousy , and has no other

way to get clear with

Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

prowess, so uses the under the belt

ways.

U r a coward who does not reveal his

identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

Bhaskar is a Man,

but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

 

Whatever identity of e mail id u take

the fact remains that u r a coward born

of many fathers.

 

Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

and just bcoz u r not married

and have no body 2 talk 2,

u r releasing ur venom over here.

 

Study some books on astrology and try

2 better Bhaskar,

which would be a noble way

of gaining victory over him,

but not this way,

shielding like a hinjda, behind

a fake email id,

 

And if u cant marry because of

your physical ugliness,

then let me know,

i shall arrange some bride

for you,

though it wud be difficult considering

ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> The lines you wrote sum up what I had always wanted to tell about

me.

>

> " You also seem to be suffering from

> Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

>

> Wow you got me so right.

>

> Ranbir

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > and address with contact Nos.

> >

> > Come up with these, and not long

> > lectures.

> >

> > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > and deficiencies by wasting

> > time on such lectures.

> >

> > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > which u r doing presently.

> >

> > You also seem to be suffering from

> > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lovely Tommy

> > >

> > > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> > >

> > > I own an astrology group on paper only. The group started with

a

> > lot

> > > of fanfare but crashed before it could take off, therefore I

> > keep

> > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is like making

> > rounds

> > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no body thinks

> that

> > I

> > > am an astrologer although I have read books by Bhasin. People

> > > consider that unless I read classics I can not be a good

> > astrologer.

> > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a little

> > > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to impress

> clients

> > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I love this

> > hybrid

> > > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> > >

> > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out in the

> groups

> > I

> > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family to feed,

> make

> > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one challenges me I

claim

> > to

> > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I hope that

> the

> > > people will be taken in but they are smart and see through my

> > > laments and claims.

> > >

> > > When I tell people that what a great service I will be doing

by

> > > providing free astrological advice, but people laugh and tell

me

> > > that it will be like free samples in advertising to get

clients

> so

> > > that I have my next meals. With so many learned astrologers

in

> > the

> > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of a chance

to

> > > impress probable customers. With no work in hand and people

not

> > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily. Anger and

bad

> > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > >

> > > Although I think that I am the most learned astrologer around

> but

> > no

> > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I am such a

> > > shameless fellow that I continue with my antics. That is one

of

> > the

> > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every thing so

> that

> > > people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The I get

> really

> > > frustrated.

> > >

> > > Some people think that I am a mental case suffering from a lot

> of

> > > complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me that I go

> and

> > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is true.

> > >

> > > In case you want more about me, I can come up with some more

> > > information.

> > >

> > > Ranbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > >

> > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > any further.

> > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > >

> > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > judgements,

> > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > are among those,

> > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > for money.

> > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > but multiples of these.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > >

> > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every body

> knows

> > > that

> > > > > you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl from

> one

> > > > group

> > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out from every where.

> > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why would

> you

> > > not

> > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not stick

to

> > your

> > > > own

> > > > > group because no body comes to your group to seek your

help.

> > > Every

> > > > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to read

> > articles

> > > > from

> > > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I know

how

> > > best

> > > > to

> > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for your next bread

> > tomorrow.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranbir

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for

> my

> > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am

> already

> > a

> > > > well

> > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients

> > like

> > > > you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > > > > > > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who

> > gets

> > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person

> > smater

> > > or

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe

inferiority

> > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like

him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " John "

> <jr_esq@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all

> > defend

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we

can

> > do

> > > > this

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations

> to

> > > > > support

> > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just

> remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from

> > other

> > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live

> in

> > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here to write

> their

> > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with

> reason

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your

> > questions.

> > > > I'm

> > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own observations.

> Other

> > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " John "

> > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to

the

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal

> > > acquisition

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that

> the

> > > > enemy

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th

house,

> > or

> > > > the

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the

> > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should

> > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this

> > category,

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing

Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the

> > > > acquisition

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house

(representing

> > his

> > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes

> the

> > > 5th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained

> from

> > > this

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared

for

> > > > success

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge

> will

> > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th

house

> > > lord

> > > > is

> > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world,

especially

> > > when

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the

> > > > > combination

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> aavesh

> > t

> > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and

> > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the

> > Syamantaka

> > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be

> > maintained

> > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of

> > Nature

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the

> brain's

> > > > power

> > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator

> of

> > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of

> ignorance.

> > > Our

> > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the

mechanism

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to

> maintain

> > > our

> > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance.

Thus,

> we

> > > see

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house.

His

> > > jewel

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should

be

> > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this

temple

> is

> > > the

> > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual

> > > chart,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of

> > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field

> > > > signifying

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own

thoughts.

> > > > Anyone

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the

> benefits

> > > of

> > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas

> that

> > > are

> > > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the

potential

> > for

> > > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala

> from

> > > the

> > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice

of

> > our

> > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala

from

> > the

> > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to

> the

> > > > > various

> > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the

> > conspiracy

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish

> > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > aavesh

> > > t

> > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to

> > hear

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is

a

> > > story

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka,

> along

> > > with

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted

for

> > > > creating

> > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held

> the

> > > > jewel.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that

the

> > > > weather

> > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including

> > > plagues

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that

the

> > > king

> > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession,

Krishna

> > gave

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in

> the

> > > city

> > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave

the

> > > city

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When

> > > Krishna

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to

> steal

> > > the

> > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person

who

> > > > lusted

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from

> > Krishna.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy.

> > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel

> away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna

> soon

> > > > came

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the

> > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the

> man's

> > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this

time,

> > his

> > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from

> Krishna.

> > > > Since

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population

> > started

> > > > to

> > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition,

> > Krishna

> > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease

the

> > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the

> > people

> > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept

by

> > > uncle

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this

> > story

> > > > will

> > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be

a

> > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms

> of

> > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of

> > mails

> > > > in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

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> > > been

> > > > > > > removed]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss

> your

> > > > > > passions -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be educated.

 

Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

 

The day I was born there was a thunder and storm. The electricity

failed in the area I was born. I was born away from my ancestral

home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother] was present when I

was born.

 

I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in the 5th, Jupiter

and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus in 9th; sun and merc

in 11th.

 

My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the rahu is placed in the

first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of where ever it is

placed in the kundali. The significations of the Sun as lagnesh will

be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by rahu. Personality is

most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned by Saturn in the

Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in the 6th, in the

shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of conflict.

The Sun, which should have given me the perpetual brilliance to

shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine and the dark clouds

by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it should have been. The

reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with Saturn.

Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not help the sun when

two of his friends are pitted against it namely the rahu and the

Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust. Although the moon

does help the sun but it makes me all the more sensitive, with the

result I flare up on a minor issue.

 

The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male progeny. Lagnesh in

the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of easy money but it

doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all by myself and that

too with great effort.

 

Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved me from most of my

ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of Patal with a dark

planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the association of the

saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know what could happen

with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly wisdom as the 5th

lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub people on the wrong

side, I am not a worldly wise man.

Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life unpleasant. Wife keeps

ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further afflicts my married

life. This has made me quite irritable.

 

Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top, remember it is in the

sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the ground where as the rahu

is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one above and the one

deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

 

I know that the remedies can help me get over these drawbacks, but I

can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if I ask some genuine

astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not destined to do them

as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in seeking advice from

others, but my ill placed ego holds me back, remember my lagnesh is

eclipsed.

 

I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be saved. But why would any

one save me?

 

Ranbir

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> I got U right more than U know

> about urself.

>

> U r the most obssessed astrologer

> about me, in his late 40's who

> is not able to live in this much

> heat of jealousy , and has no other

> way to get clear with

> Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> prowess, so uses the under the belt

> ways.

> U r a coward who does not reveal his

> identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> Bhaskar is a Man,

> but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

>

> Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> the fact remains that u r a coward born

> of many fathers.

>

> Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> and just bcoz u r not married

> and have no body 2 talk 2,

> u r releasing ur venom over here.

>

> Study some books on astrology and try

> 2 better Bhaskar,

> which would be a noble way

> of gaining victory over him,

> but not this way,

> shielding like a hinjda, behind

> a fake email id,

>

> And if u cant marry because of

> your physical ugliness,

> then let me know,

> i shall arrange some bride

> for you,

> though it wud be difficult considering

> ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

, " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always wanted to tell

about

> me.

> >

> > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> >

> > Wow you got me so right.

> >

> > Ranbir

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > and address with contact Nos.

> > >

> > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > lectures.

> > >

> > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > time on such lectures.

> > >

> > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > which u r doing presently.

> > >

> > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > >

> > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> > > >

> > > > I own an astrology group on paper only. The group started

with

> a

> > > lot

> > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could take off, therefore

I

> > > keep

> > > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is like making

> > > rounds

> > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no body thinks

> > that

> > > I

> > > > am an astrologer although I have read books by Bhasin.

People

> > > > consider that unless I read classics I can not be a good

> > > astrologer.

> > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a little

> > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to impress

> > clients

> > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I love this

> > > hybrid

> > > > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> > > >

> > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out in the

> > groups

> > > I

> > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family to feed,

> > make

> > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one challenges me I

> claim

> > > to

> > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I hope

that

> > the

> > > > people will be taken in but they are smart and see through

my

> > > > laments and claims.

> > > >

> > > > When I tell people that what a great service I will be doing

> by

> > > > providing free astrological advice, but people laugh and

tell

> me

> > > > that it will be like free samples in advertising to get

> clients

> > so

> > > > that I have my next meals. With so many learned astrologers

> in

> > > the

> > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of a chance

> to

> > > > impress probable customers. With no work in hand and people

> not

> > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily. Anger and

> bad

> > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > >

> > > > Although I think that I am the most learned astrologer

around

> > but

> > > no

> > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I am such a

> > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my antics. That is one

> of

> > > the

> > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every thing

so

> > that

> > > > people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The I get

> > really

> > > > frustrated.

> > > >

> > > > Some people think that I am a mental case suffering from a

lot

> > of

> > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me that I

go

> > and

> > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is true.

> > > >

> > > > In case you want more about me, I can come up with some more

> > > > information.

> > > >

> > > > Ranbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > >

> > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > any further.

> > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > judgements,

> > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > are among those,

> > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > for money.

> > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every body

> > knows

> > > > that

> > > > > > you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl

from

> > one

> > > > > group

> > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out from every where.

> > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why

would

> > you

> > > > not

> > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not stick

> to

> > > your

> > > > > own

> > > > > > group because no body comes to your group to seek your

> help.

> > > > Every

> > > > > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to read

> > > articles

> > > > > from

> > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I know

> how

> > > > best

> > > > > to

> > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for your next bread

> > > tomorrow.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you are. As

for

> > my

> > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am

> > already

> > > a

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for

clients

> > > like

> > > > > you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > > > > > > > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or

advises.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker

who

> > > gets

> > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person

> > > smater

> > > > or

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe

> inferiority

> > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like

> him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the

time

> > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should

all

> > > defend

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we

> can

> > > do

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid

explanations

> > to

> > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just

> > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts

from

> > > other

> > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I

live

> > in

> > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and

readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here to write

> > their

> > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with

> > reason

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your

> > > questions.

> > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own observations.

> > Other

> > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their

postings.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of

Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " John "

> > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to

> the

> > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal

> > > > acquisition

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note

that

> > the

> > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th

> house,

> > > or

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus,

the

> > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should

> > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this

> > > category,

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing

> Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the

> > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house

> (representing

> > > his

> > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house

becomes

> > the

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained

> > from

> > > > this

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared

> for

> > > > > success

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this

knowledge

> > will

> > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th

> house

> > > > lord

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world,

> especially

> > > > when

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize

the

> > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > aavesh

> > > t

> > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and

> > > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the

> > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be

> > > maintained

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support

of

> > > Nature

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the

> > brain's

> > > > > power

> > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the

significator

> > of

> > > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of

> > ignorance.

> > > > Our

> > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the

> mechanism

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to

> > maintain

> > > > our

> > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance.

> Thus,

> > we

> > > > see

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house.

> His

> > > > jewel

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should

> be

> > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this

> temple

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the

individual

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of

> > > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field

> > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own

> thoughts.

> > > > > Anyone

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the

> > benefits

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas

> > that

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the

> potential

> > > for

> > > > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the

practice

> of

> > > our

> > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala

> from

> > > the

> > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas

to

> > the

> > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are

gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the

> > > conspiracy

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the

jyotish

> > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > aavesh

> > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting

to

> > > hear

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there

is

> a

> > > > story

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka,

> > along

> > > > with

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted

> for

> > > > > creating

> > > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who

held

> > the

> > > > > jewel.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that

> the

> > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters

including

> > > > plagues

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that

> the

> > > > king

> > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession,

> Krishna

> > > gave

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept

in

> > the

> > > > city

> > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave

> the

> > > > city

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location.

When

> > > > Krishna

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to

> > steal

> > > > the

> > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person

> who

> > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from

> > > Krishna.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy.

> > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel

> > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short,

Krishna

> > soon

> > > > > came

> > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the

> > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the

> > man's

> > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this

> time,

> > > his

> > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from

> > Krishna.

> > > > > Since

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population

> > > started

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition,

> > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease

> the

> > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd

the

> > > people

> > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept

> by

> > > > uncle

> > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear

this

> > > story

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would

be

> a

> > > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in

terms

> > of

> > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number

of

> > > mails

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > removed]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and

discuss

> > your

> > > > > > > passions -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roof.

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>

[Guest guest]

ranbir,

 

This is all wrong interpretations.

U know nothing of astrology.

All nonsense.

 

Give me ur real date of birth,time

and place, and let me

tell u ur Life

story, but I am sure I know

already who u are

and ur birth details.

 

dont ever try ur hand ur hand at strology.

You are a absolute failure., as seen

from your barks here.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

> Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be educated.

>

> Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

>

> The day I was born there was a thunder and storm. The electricity

> failed in the area I was born. I was born away from my ancestral

> home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother] was present when

I

> was born.

>

> I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in the 5th, Jupiter

> and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus in 9th; sun and

merc

> in 11th.

>

> My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the rahu is placed in

the

> first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of where ever it is

> placed in the kundali. The significations of the Sun as lagnesh

will

> be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by rahu. Personality is

> most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

> Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned by Saturn in the

> Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in the 6th, in the

> shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of conflict.

> The Sun, which should have given me the perpetual brilliance to

> shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine and the dark

clouds

> by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it should have been. The

> reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with Saturn.

> Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not help the sun when

> two of his friends are pitted against it namely the rahu and the

> Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust. Although the moon

> does help the sun but it makes me all the more sensitive, with the

> result I flare up on a minor issue.

>

> The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male progeny. Lagnesh in

> the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of easy money but it

> doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all by myself and that

> too with great effort.

>

> Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved me from most of my

> ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of Patal with a dark

> planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the association of the

> saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know what could happen

> with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly wisdom as the 5th

> lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub people on the wrong

> side, I am not a worldly wise man.

> Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life unpleasant. Wife

keeps

> ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further afflicts my married

> life. This has made me quite irritable.

>

> Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top, remember it is in the

> sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the ground where as the

rahu

> is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one above and the one

> deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

>

> I know that the remedies can help me get over these drawbacks, but

I

> can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if I ask some genuine

> astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not destined to do

them

> as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in seeking advice

from

> others, but my ill placed ego holds me back, remember my lagnesh

is

> eclipsed.

>

> I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be saved. But why would

any

> one save me?

>

> Ranbir

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I got U right more than U know

> > about urself.

> >

> > U r the most obssessed astrologer

> > about me, in his late 40's who

> > is not able to live in this much

> > heat of jealousy , and has no other

> > way to get clear with

> > Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> > prowess, so uses the under the belt

> > ways.

> > U r a coward who does not reveal his

> > identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> > Bhaskar is a Man,

> > but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> > a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> > and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

> >

> > Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> > the fact remains that u r a coward born

> > of many fathers.

> >

> > Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> > and just bcoz u r not married

> > and have no body 2 talk 2,

> > u r releasing ur venom over here.

> >

> > Study some books on astrology and try

> > 2 better Bhaskar,

> > which would be a noble way

> > of gaining victory over him,

> > but not this way,

> > shielding like a hinjda, behind

> > a fake email id,

> >

> > And if u cant marry because of

> > your physical ugliness,

> > then let me know,

> > i shall arrange some bride

> > for you,

> > though it wud be difficult considering

> > ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always wanted to tell

> about

> > me.

> > >

> > > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> > >

> > > Wow you got me so right.

> > >

> > > Ranbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > > and address with contact Nos.

> > > >

> > > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > > lectures.

> > > >

> > > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > > time on such lectures.

> > > >

> > > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > > which u r doing presently.

> > > >

> > > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > > >

> > > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> > > > >

> > > > > I own an astrology group on paper only. The group started

> with

> > a

> > > > lot

> > > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could take off,

therefore

> I

> > > > keep

> > > > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is like

making

> > > > rounds

> > > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no body

thinks

> > > that

> > > > I

> > > > > am an astrologer although I have read books by Bhasin.

> People

> > > > > consider that unless I read classics I can not be a good

> > > > astrologer.

> > > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a little

> > > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to impress

> > > clients

> > > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I love

this

> > > > hybrid

> > > > > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> > > > >

> > > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out in the

> > > groups

> > > > I

> > > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family to

feed,

> > > make

> > > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one challenges me I

> > claim

> > > > to

> > > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I hope

> that

> > > the

> > > > > people will be taken in but they are smart and see through

> my

> > > > > laments and claims.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I tell people that what a great service I will be

doing

> > by

> > > > > providing free astrological advice, but people laugh and

> tell

> > me

> > > > > that it will be like free samples in advertising to get

> > clients

> > > so

> > > > > that I have my next meals. With so many learned

astrologers

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of a

chance

> > to

> > > > > impress probable customers. With no work in hand and

people

> > not

> > > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily. Anger

and

> > bad

> > > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > > >

> > > > > Although I think that I am the most learned astrologer

> around

> > > but

> > > > no

> > > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I am such

a

> > > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my antics. That is

one

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every thing

> so

> > > that

> > > > > people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The I get

> > > really

> > > > > frustrated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some people think that I am a mental case suffering from a

> lot

> > > of

> > > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me that

I

> go

> > > and

> > > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is true.

> > > > >

> > > > > In case you want more about me, I can come up with some

more

> > > > > information.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranbir

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > > any further.

> > > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > > judgements,

> > > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > > are among those,

> > > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > > for money.

> > > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every

body

> > > knows

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl

> from

> > > one

> > > > > > group

> > > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out from every

where.

> > > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why

> would

> > > you

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not

stick

> > to

> > > > your

> > > > > > own

> > > > > > > group because no body comes to your group to seek your

> > help.

> > > > > Every

> > > > > > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to read

> > > > articles

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I

know

> > how

> > > > > best

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for your next bread

> > > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you are. As

> for

> > > my

> > > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am

> > > already

> > > > a

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for

> clients

> > > > like

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2

days,

> > > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real

men.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or

> advises.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker

> who

> > > > gets

> > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a

person

> > > > smater

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe

> > inferiority

> > > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs

like

> > him.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I

have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the

> time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should

> all

> > > > defend

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion,

we

> > can

> > > > do

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid

> explanations

> > > to

> > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just

> > > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I

know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts

> from

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I

> live

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and

> readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here to

write

> > > their

> > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them

with

> > > reason

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your

> > > > questions.

> > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own

observations.

> > > Other

> > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their

> postings.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of

> Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord

Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " John "

> > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers

to

> > the

> > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal

> > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th

> > house,

> > > > or

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus,

> the

> > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We

should

> > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this

> > > > category,

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing

> > Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that

the

> > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house

> > (representing

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house

> becomes

> > > the

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge

gained

> > > from

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is

geared

> > for

> > > > > > success

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this

> knowledge

> > > will

> > > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th

> > house

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world,

> > especially

> > > > > when

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize

> the

> > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > aavesh

> > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and

> > > > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the

> > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be

> > > > maintained

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support

> of

> > > > Nature

> > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the

> > > brain's

> > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the

> significator

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of

> > > ignorance.

> > > > > Our

> > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the

> > mechanism

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to

> > > maintain

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance.

> > Thus,

> > > we

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th

house.

> > His

> > > > > jewel

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel

should

> > be

> > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this

> > temple

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the

> individual

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels

of

> > > > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a

field

> > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own

> > thoughts.

> > > > > > Anyone

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the

> > > benefits

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the

argalas

> > > that

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the

> > potential

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires

argala

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the

> practice

> > of

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires

argala

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are

> gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the

> > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the

> jyotish

> > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> > > > aavesh

> > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be

interesting

> to

> > > > hear

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there

> is

> > a

> > > > > story

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of

Dvaraka,

> > > along

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was

noted

> > for

> > > > > > creating

> > > > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who

> held

> > > the

> > > > > > jewel.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in

that

> > the

> > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters

> including

> > > > > plagues

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition

that

> > the

> > > > > king

> > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession,

> > Krishna

> > > > gave

> > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept

> in

> > > the

> > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to

leave

> > the

> > > > > city

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location.

> When

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up

to

> > > steal

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a

person

> > who

> > > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from

> > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this

conspiracy.

> > > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the

jewel

> > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short,

> Krishna

> > > soon

> > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of

the

> > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in

the

> > > man's

> > > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this

> > time,

> > > > his

> > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from

> > > Krishna.

> > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the

population

> > > > started

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family

tradition,

> > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and

appease

> > the

> > > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd

> the

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be

kept

> > by

> > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear

> this

> > > > story

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it

would

> be

> > a

> > > > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in

> terms

> > > of

> > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N

number

> of

> > > > mails

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

message

> > > have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and

> discuss

> > > your

> > > > > > > > passions -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > under

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[Guest guest]

Bhaskar

 

Thank you for your offer to analyse my horoscope. I am happy with my

own interpretation. I do not need any assistance from any one least

of all from you.

 

Thank you once again.

 

Ranbir

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> ranbir,

>

> This is all wrong interpretations.

> U know nothing of astrology.

> All nonsense.

>

> Give me ur real date of birth,time

> and place, and let me

> tell u ur Life

> story, but I am sure I know

> already who u are

> and ur birth details.

>

> dont ever try ur hand ur hand at strology.

> You are a absolute failure., as seen

> from your barks here.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

> > Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be educated.

> >

> > Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

> >

> > The day I was born there was a thunder and storm. The

electricity

> > failed in the area I was born. I was born away from my ancestral

> > home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother] was present

when

> I

> > was born.

> >

> > I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in the 5th,

Jupiter

> > and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus in 9th; sun and

> merc

> > in 11th.

> >

> > My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the rahu is placed in

> the

> > first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of where ever it is

> > placed in the kundali. The significations of the Sun as lagnesh

> will

> > be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by rahu. Personality is

> > most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

> > Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned by Saturn in

the

> > Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in the 6th, in the

> > shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of conflict.

> > The Sun, which should have given me the perpetual brilliance to

> > shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine and the dark

> clouds

> > by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it should have been.

The

> > reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with Saturn.

> > Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not help the sun

when

> > two of his friends are pitted against it namely the rahu and the

> > Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust. Although the moon

> > does help the sun but it makes me all the more sensitive, with

the

> > result I flare up on a minor issue.

> >

> > The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male progeny. Lagnesh

in

> > the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of easy money but

it

> > doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all by myself and

that

> > too with great effort.

> >

> > Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved me from most of

my

> > ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of Patal with a dark

> > planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the association of the

> > saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know what could

happen

> > with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly wisdom as the

5th

> > lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub people on the

wrong

> > side, I am not a worldly wise man.

> > Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life unpleasant. Wife

> keeps

> > ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further afflicts my

married

> > life. This has made me quite irritable.

> >

> > Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top, remember it is in

the

> > sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the ground where as the

> rahu

> > is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one above and the

one

> > deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

> >

> > I know that the remedies can help me get over these drawbacks,

but

> I

> > can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if I ask some

genuine

> > astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not destined to do

> them

> > as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in seeking advice

> from

> > others, but my ill placed ego holds me back, remember my lagnesh

> is

> > eclipsed.

> >

> > I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be saved. But why would

> any

> > one save me?

> >

> > Ranbir

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I got U right more than U know

> > > about urself.

> > >

> > > U r the most obssessed astrologer

> > > about me, in his late 40's who

> > > is not able to live in this much

> > > heat of jealousy , and has no other

> > > way to get clear with

> > > Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> > > prowess, so uses the under the belt

> > > ways.

> > > U r a coward who does not reveal his

> > > identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> > > Bhaskar is a Man,

> > > but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> > > a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> > > and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

> > >

> > > Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> > > the fact remains that u r a coward born

> > > of many fathers.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> > > and just bcoz u r not married

> > > and have no body 2 talk 2,

> > > u r releasing ur venom over here.

> > >

> > > Study some books on astrology and try

> > > 2 better Bhaskar,

> > > which would be a noble way

> > > of gaining victory over him,

> > > but not this way,

> > > shielding like a hinjda, behind

> > > a fake email id,

> > >

> > > And if u cant marry because of

> > > your physical ugliness,

> > > then let me know,

> > > i shall arrange some bride

> > > for you,

> > > though it wud be difficult considering

> > > ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always wanted to tell

> > about

> > > me.

> > > >

> > > > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> > > >

> > > > Wow you got me so right.

> > > >

> > > > Ranbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > > > and address with contact Nos.

> > > > >

> > > > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > > > lectures.

> > > > >

> > > > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > > > time on such lectures.

> > > > >

> > > > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > > > which u r doing presently.

> > > > >

> > > > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I own an astrology group on paper only. The group

started

> > with

> > > a

> > > > > lot

> > > > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could take off,

> therefore

> > I

> > > > > keep

> > > > > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is like

> making

> > > > > rounds

> > > > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no body

> thinks

> > > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am an astrologer although I have read books by Bhasin.

> > People

> > > > > > consider that unless I read classics I can not be a good

> > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a

little

> > > > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to

impress

> > > > clients

> > > > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I love

> this

> > > > > hybrid

> > > > > > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out in

the

> > > > groups

> > > > > I

> > > > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family to

> feed,

> > > > make

> > > > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one challenges me

I

> > > claim

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I

hope

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > people will be taken in but they are smart and see

through

> > my

> > > > > > laments and claims.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I tell people that what a great service I will be

> doing

> > > by

> > > > > > providing free astrological advice, but people laugh and

> > tell

> > > me

> > > > > > that it will be like free samples in advertising to get

> > > clients

> > > > so

> > > > > > that I have my next meals. With so many learned

> astrologers

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of a

> chance

> > > to

> > > > > > impress probable customers. With no work in hand and

> people

> > > not

> > > > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily. Anger

> and

> > > bad

> > > > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Although I think that I am the most learned astrologer

> > around

> > > > but

> > > > > no

> > > > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I am

such

> a

> > > > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my antics. That is

> one

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every

thing

> > so

> > > > that

> > > > > > people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The I

get

> > > > really

> > > > > > frustrated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some people think that I am a mental case suffering from

a

> > lot

> > > > of

> > > > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me

that

> I

> > go

> > > > and

> > > > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In case you want more about me, I can come up with some

> more

> > > > > > information.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > > > any further.

> > > > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > > > judgements,

> > > > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > > > are among those,

> > > > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > > > for money.

> > > > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every

> body

> > > > knows

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl

> > from

> > > > one

> > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out from every

> where.

> > > > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why

> > would

> > > > you

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not

> stick

> > > to

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > group because no body comes to your group to seek

your

> > > help.

> > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to

read

> > > > > articles

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I

> know

> > > how

> > > > > > best

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for your next

bread

> > > > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > > > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you are.

As

> > for

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I

am

> > > > already

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for

> > clients

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good

astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > > > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2

> days,

> > > > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar

has

> > > > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real

> men.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or

> > advises.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble

maker

> > who

> > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a

> person

> > > > > smater

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe

> > > inferiority

> > > > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs

> like

> > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I

> have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just

making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this

knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend

the

> > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We

should

> > all

> > > > > defend

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my

opinion,

> we

> > > can

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid

> > explanations

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just

> > > > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I

> know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his

posts

> > from

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India. However,

I

> > live

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for

do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and

> > readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here to

> write

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them

> with

> > > > reason

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your

> > > > > questions.

> > > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own

> observations.

> > > > Other

> > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their

> > postings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your

message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of

> > Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for

future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord

> Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent

Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the

9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the

Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the

ideal

> > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We

note

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the

9th

> > > house,

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha.

Thus,

> > the

> > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We

> should

> > > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in

this

> > > > > category,

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing

> > > Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that

> the

> > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house

> > > (representing

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house

> > becomes

> > > > the

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge

> gained

> > > > from

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is

> geared

> > > for

> > > > > > > success

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this

> > knowledge

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the

5th

> > > house

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world,

> > > especially

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we

recognize

> > the

> > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> > > > aavesh

> > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and

> > > > > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next

mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the

> > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to

be

> > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the

support

> > of

> > > > > Nature

> > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of

the

> > > > brain's

> > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the

> > significator

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of

> > > > ignorance.

> > > > > > Our

> > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the

> > > mechanism

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are

to

> > > > maintain

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic

significance.

> > > Thus,

> > > > we

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th

> house.

> > > His

> > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel

> should

> > > be

> > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this

> > > temple

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the

> > individual

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher

levels

> of

> > > > > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a

> field

> > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own

> > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > Anyone

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains

the

> > > > benefits

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the

> argalas

> > > > that

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the

> > > potential

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires

> argala

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the

> > practice

> > > of

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires

> argala

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of

argalas

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are

> > gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the

> > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the

> > jyotish

> > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be

> interesting

> > to

> > > > > hear

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from

you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam,

there

> > is

> > > a

> > > > > > story

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of

> Dvaraka,

> > > > along

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was

> noted

> > > for

> > > > > > > creating

> > > > > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who

> > held

> > > > the

> > > > > > > jewel.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters

> > including

> > > > > > plagues

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession,

> > > Krishna

> > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be

kept

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to

> leave

> > > the

> > > > > > city

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location.

> > When

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed

up

> to

> > > > steal

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a

> person

> > > who

> > > > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away

from

> > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this

> conspiracy.

> > > > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the

> jewel

> > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short,

> > Krishna

> > > > soon

> > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of

> the

> > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in

> the

> > > > man's

> > > > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By

this

> > > time,

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from

> > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the

> population

> > > > > started

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family

> tradition,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and

> appease

> > > the

> > > > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna

gatherd

> > the

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be

> kept

> > > by

> > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear

> > this

> > > > > story

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it

> would

> > be

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in

> > terms

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N

> number

> > of

> > > > > mails

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > removed]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and

> > discuss

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > passions -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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>

[Guest guest]

Ur words have no weight unless

u reveal urself.

 

Ur real name age sex, academic and

professional qualifications'and attainments

if any.

 

Till u dont reveal this,

we will not know

who is the person behind the Burka,

a gay, homo,gigolo,

trans... , a women, or a man.

 

Whatever ur fake id is,

the man behind this id

will be 'a man of no self respect,

a coward,a black sheep

of his family,a women by instincts,

a dirty person hiding behind a veil,

a ghunghat,

who has no guts to

reveal himself,

who is afraid of society,

who has been unssuccesful

and jealous to see

others succes,

who cannot stand

praise of others

who gets heated up

when someone

talks good

of another astrologer,

who himself is waste in

his own circle,

a unwanted personality

who is complexed

and diseased.

 

The problem is that u r unmarried,

and now a old

man nearing his 50's

and who has lost his respect in'the

society of'astrologers

due to his 24 x 7 non stop rubbish replying,

to natives,on all available Jyotish Forums,

and cannot do anything better beyond this,

who does not have brains to study better

astrology, nor time to do these

studies,

who wastes his vital energy by watching

photographs of females,as cannot

do better than that, and cant get hold of

a real female.

 

C/mon reveal urself if you

are a son of one

Father,

and son of a good woman.

 

Dont talk further

if you are not a rascal of ur family.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

>

> Bhaskar

>

> Thank you for your offer to analyse my horoscope. I am happy with

my

> own interpretation. I do not need any assistance from any one

least

> of all from you.

>

> Thank you once again.

>

> Ranbir

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > ranbir,

> >

> > This is all wrong interpretations.

> > U know nothing of astrology.

> > All nonsense.

> >

> > Give me ur real date of birth,time

> > and place, and let me

> > tell u ur Life

> > story, but I am sure I know

> > already who u are

> > and ur birth details.

> >

> > dont ever try ur hand ur hand at strology.

> > You are a absolute failure., as seen

> > from your barks here.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

> > > Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be educated.

> > >

> > > Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

> > >

> > > The day I was born there was a thunder and storm. The

> electricity

> > > failed in the area I was born. I was born away from my

ancestral

> > > home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother] was present

> when

> > I

> > > was born.

> > >

> > > I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in the 5th,

> Jupiter

> > > and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus in 9th; sun and

> > merc

> > > in 11th.

> > >

> > > My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the rahu is placed

in

> > the

> > > first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of where ever it

is

> > > placed in the kundali. The significations of the Sun as

lagnesh

> > will

> > > be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by rahu. Personality

is

> > > most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

> > > Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned by Saturn in

> the

> > > Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in the 6th, in

the

> > > shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of conflict.

> > > The Sun, which should have given me the perpetual brilliance

to

> > > shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine and the dark

> > clouds

> > > by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it should have been.

> The

> > > reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with Saturn.

> > > Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not help the sun

> when

> > > two of his friends are pitted against it namely the rahu and

the

> > > Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust. Although the

moon

> > > does help the sun but it makes me all the more sensitive, with

> the

> > > result I flare up on a minor issue.

> > >

> > > The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male progeny.

Lagnesh

> in

> > > the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of easy money

but

> it

> > > doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all by myself and

> that

> > > too with great effort.

> > >

> > > Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved me from most of

> my

> > > ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of Patal with a dark

> > > planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the association of

the

> > > saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know what could

> happen

> > > with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly wisdom as the

> 5th

> > > lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub people on the

> wrong

> > > side, I am not a worldly wise man.

> > > Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life unpleasant. Wife

> > keeps

> > > ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further afflicts my

> married

> > > life. This has made me quite irritable.

> > >

> > > Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top, remember it is in

> the

> > > sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the ground where as

the

> > rahu

> > > is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one above and the

> one

> > > deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

> > >

> > > I know that the remedies can help me get over these drawbacks,

> but

> > I

> > > can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if I ask some

> genuine

> > > astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not destined to do

> > them

> > > as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in seeking advice

> > from

> > > others, but my ill placed ego holds me back, remember my

lagnesh

> > is

> > > eclipsed.

> > >

> > > I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be saved. But why

would

> > any

> > > one save me?

> > >

> > > Ranbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I got U right more than U know

> > > > about urself.

> > > >

> > > > U r the most obssessed astrologer

> > > > about me, in his late 40's who

> > > > is not able to live in this much

> > > > heat of jealousy , and has no other

> > > > way to get clear with

> > > > Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> > > > prowess, so uses the under the belt

> > > > ways.

> > > > U r a coward who does not reveal his

> > > > identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> > > > Bhaskar is a Man,

> > > > but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> > > > a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> > > > and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

> > > >

> > > > Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> > > > the fact remains that u r a coward born

> > > > of many fathers.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> > > > and just bcoz u r not married

> > > > and have no body 2 talk 2,

> > > > u r releasing ur venom over here.

> > > >

> > > > Study some books on astrology and try

> > > > 2 better Bhaskar,

> > > > which would be a noble way

> > > > of gaining victory over him,

> > > > but not this way,

> > > > shielding like a hinjda, behind

> > > > a fake email id,

> > > >

> > > > And if u cant marry because of

> > > > your physical ugliness,

> > > > then let me know,

> > > > i shall arrange some bride

> > > > for you,

> > > > though it wud be difficult considering

> > > > ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always wanted to

tell

> > > about

> > > > me.

> > > > >

> > > > > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow you got me so right.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranbir

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > > > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > > > > and address with contact Nos.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > > > > lectures.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > > > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > > > > time on such lectures.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > > > > which u r doing presently.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I own an astrology group on paper only. The group

> started

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could take off,

> > therefore

> > > I

> > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is like

> > making

> > > > > > rounds

> > > > > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no body

> > thinks

> > > > > that

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > am an astrologer although I have read books by

Bhasin.

> > > People

> > > > > > > consider that unless I read classics I can not be a

good

> > > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a

> little

> > > > > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to

> impress

> > > > > clients

> > > > > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I

love

> > this

> > > > > > hybrid

> > > > > > > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out in

> the

> > > > > groups

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family to

> > feed,

> > > > > make

> > > > > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one challenges

me

> I

> > > > claim

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I

> hope

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > people will be taken in but they are smart and see

> through

> > > my

> > > > > > > laments and claims.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I tell people that what a great service I will be

> > doing

> > > > by

> > > > > > > providing free astrological advice, but people laugh

and

> > > tell

> > > > me

> > > > > > > that it will be like free samples in advertising to

get

> > > > clients

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > that I have my next meals. With so many learned

> > astrologers

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of a

> > chance

> > > > to

> > > > > > > impress probable customers. With no work in hand and

> > people

> > > > not

> > > > > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily.

Anger

> > and

> > > > bad

> > > > > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Although I think that I am the most learned astrologer

> > > around

> > > > > but

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I am

> such

> > a

> > > > > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my antics. That

is

> > one

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every

> thing

> > > so

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The I

> get

> > > > > really

> > > > > > > frustrated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Some people think that I am a mental case suffering

from

> a

> > > lot

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me

> that

> > I

> > > go

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is true.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In case you want more about me, I can come up with

some

> > more

> > > > > > > information.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > > > > any further.

> > > > > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > > > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > > > > judgements,

> > > > > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > > > > are among those,

> > > > > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > > > > for money.

> > > > > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every

> > body

> > > > > knows

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > you are a beggar going around with your begging

bowl

> > > from

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out from every

> > where.

> > > > > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise

why

> > > would

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not

> > stick

> > > > to

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > group because no body comes to your group to seek

> your

> > > > help.

> > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > > > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to

> read

> > > > > > articles

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of them].

I

> > know

> > > > how

> > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for your next

> bread

> > > > > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any

thing.

> > > > > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you

are.

> As

> > > for

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I

> am

> > > > > already

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for

> > > clients

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good

> astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > who has made this id, just few days

back

> > > > > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > > > > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in just

2

> > days,

> > > > > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that

Bhaskar

> has

> > > > > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need

real

> > men.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or

> > > advises.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble

> maker

> > > who

> > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a

> > person

> > > > > > smater

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe

> > > > inferiority

> > > > > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff

raffs

> > like

> > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " John "

> > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on,

I

> > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just

> making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this

> knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend

> the

> > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We

> should

> > > all

> > > > > > defend

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my

> opinion,

> > we

> > > > can

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid

> > > explanations

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of

Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i

just

> > > > > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this

man

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and

I

> > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in

his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his

> posts

> > > from

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India.

However,

> I

> > > live

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread,

for

> do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and

> > > readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here to

> > write

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them

> > with

> > > > > reason

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of

your

> > > > > > questions.

> > > > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own

> > observations.

> > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their

> > > postings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your

> message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of

> > > Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as

mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for

> future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord

> > Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent

> Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and

the

> 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to

Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the

> Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story

refers

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the

> ideal

> > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We

> note

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the

> 9th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha.

> Thus,

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We

> > should

> > > > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in

> this

> > > > > > category,

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing

> > > > Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded

that

> > the

> > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house

> > > > (representing

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house

> > > becomes

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge

> > gained

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is

> > geared

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > success

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this

> > > knowledge

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the

> 5th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world,

> > > > especially

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we

> recognize

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and

> > > > > > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next

> mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and

All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that

the

> > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to

> be

> > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the

> support

> > > of

> > > > > > Nature

> > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of

> the

> > > > > brain's

> > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the

> > > significator

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness

of

> > > > > ignorance.

> > > > > > > Our

> > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the

> > > > mechanism

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are

> to

> > > > > maintain

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic

> significance.

> > > > Thus,

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th

> > house.

> > > > His

> > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel

> > should

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish,

this

> > > > temple

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the

> > > individual

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher

> levels

> > of

> > > > > > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a

> > field

> > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own

> > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > Anyone

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains

> the

> > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the

> > argalas

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the

> > > > potential

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires

> > argala

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the

> > > practice

> > > > of

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires

> > argala

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of

> argalas

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are

> > > gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of

the

> > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the

> > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > ,

> > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be

> > interesting

> > > to

> > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from

> you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam,

> there

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of

> > Dvaraka,

> > > > > along

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was

> > noted

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > creating

> > > > > > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those

who

> > > held

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > jewel.

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters

> > > including

> > > > > > > plagues

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his

intuition

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a

concession,

> > > > Krishna

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be

> kept

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to

> > leave

> > > > the

> > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another

location.

> > > When

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed

> up

> > to

> > > > > steal

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a

> > person

> > > > who

> > > > > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away

> from

> > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this

> > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the

> > jewel

> > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short,

> > > Krishna

> > > > > soon

> > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator

of

> > the

> > > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not

in

> > the

> > > > > man's

> > > > > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By

> this

> > > > time,

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal

from

> > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the

> > population

> > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family

> > tradition,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and

> > appease

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna

> gatherd

> > > the

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will

be

> > kept

> > > > by

> > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who

hear

> > > this

> > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it

> > would

> > > be

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message

in

> > > terms

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

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, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Ur words have no weight unless

> u reveal urself.

>

> Ur real name age sex, academic and

> professional qualifications'and attainments

> if any.

>

> Till u dont reveal this,

> we will not know

> who is the person behind the Burka,

> a gay, homo,gigolo,

> trans... , a women, or a man.

>

> Whatever ur fake id is,

> the man behind this id

> will be 'a man of no self respect,

> a coward,a black sheep

> of his family,a women by instincts,

> a dirty person hiding behind a veil,

> a ghunghat,

> who has no guts to

> reveal himself,

> who is afraid of society,

> who has been unssuccesful

> and jealous to see

> others succes,

> who cannot stand

> praise of others

> who gets heated up

> when someone

> talks good

> of another astrologer,

> who himself is waste in

> his own circle,

> a unwanted personality

> who is complexed

> and diseased.

>

> The problem is that u r unmarried,

> and now a old

> man nearing his 50's

> and who has lost his respect in'the

> society of'astrologers

> due to his 24 x 7 non stop rubbish replying,

> to natives,on all available Jyotish Forums,

> and cannot do anything better beyond this,

> who does not have brains to study better

> astrology, nor time to do these

> studies,

> who wastes his vital energy by watching

> photographs of females,as cannot

> do better than that, and cant get hold of

> a real female.

>

> C/mon reveal urself if you

> are a son of one

> Father,

> and son of a good woman.

>

> Dont talk further

> if you are not a rascal of ur family.

>

> Bhaskar.

, " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar

> >

> > Thank you for your offer to analyse my horoscope. I am happy

with

> my

> > own interpretation. I do not need any assistance from any one

> least

> > of all from you.

> >

> > Thank you once again.

> >

> > Ranbir

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ranbir,

> > >

> > > This is all wrong interpretations.

> > > U know nothing of astrology.

> > > All nonsense.

> > >

> > > Give me ur real date of birth,time

> > > and place, and let me

> > > tell u ur Life

> > > story, but I am sure I know

> > > already who u are

> > > and ur birth details.

> > >

> > > dont ever try ur hand ur hand at strology.

> > > You are a absolute failure., as seen

> > > from your barks here.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

> > > > Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be educated.

> > > >

> > > > Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > The day I was born there was a thunder and storm. The

> > electricity

> > > > failed in the area I was born. I was born away from my

> ancestral

> > > > home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother] was present

> > when

> > > I

> > > > was born.

> > > >

> > > > I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in the 5th,

> > Jupiter

> > > > and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus in 9th; sun

and

> > > merc

> > > > in 11th.

> > > >

> > > > My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the rahu is placed

> in

> > > the

> > > > first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of where ever

it

> is

> > > > placed in the kundali. The significations of the Sun as

> lagnesh

> > > will

> > > > be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by rahu.

Personality

> is

> > > > most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

> > > > Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned by Saturn

in

> > the

> > > > Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in the 6th, in

> the

> > > > shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of conflict.

> > > > The Sun, which should have given me the perpetual brilliance

> to

> > > > shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine and the

dark

> > > clouds

> > > > by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it should have

been.

> > The

> > > > reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with Saturn.

> > > > Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not help the

sun

> > when

> > > > two of his friends are pitted against it namely the rahu and

> the

> > > > Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust. Although the

> moon

> > > > does help the sun but it makes me all the more sensitive,

with

> > the

> > > > result I flare up on a minor issue.

> > > >

> > > > The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male progeny.

> Lagnesh

> > in

> > > > the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of easy money

> but

> > it

> > > > doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all by myself and

> > that

> > > > too with great effort.

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved me from most

of

> > my

> > > > ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of Patal with a

dark

> > > > planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the association of

> the

> > > > saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know what could

> > happen

> > > > with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly wisdom as

the

> > 5th

> > > > lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub people on the

> > wrong

> > > > side, I am not a worldly wise man.

> > > > Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life unpleasant.

Wife

> > > keeps

> > > > ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further afflicts my

> > married

> > > > life. This has made me quite irritable.

> > > >

> > > > Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top, remember it is

in

> > the

> > > > sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the ground where as

> the

> > > rahu

> > > > is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one above and

the

> > one

> > > > deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

> > > >

> > > > I know that the remedies can help me get over these

drawbacks,

> > but

> > > I

> > > > can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if I ask some

> > genuine

> > > > astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not destined to

do

> > > them

> > > > as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in seeking

advice

> > > from

> > > > others, but my ill placed ego holds me back, remember my

> lagnesh

> > > is

> > > > eclipsed.

> > > >

> > > > I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be saved. But why

> would

> > > any

> > > > one save me?

> > > >

> > > > Ranbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I got U right more than U know

> > > > > about urself.

> > > > >

> > > > > U r the most obssessed astrologer

> > > > > about me, in his late 40's who

> > > > > is not able to live in this much

> > > > > heat of jealousy , and has no other

> > > > > way to get clear with

> > > > > Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> > > > > prowess, so uses the under the belt

> > > > > ways.

> > > > > U r a coward who does not reveal his

> > > > > identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> > > > > Bhaskar is a Man,

> > > > > but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> > > > > a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> > > > > and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> > > > > the fact remains that u r a coward born

> > > > > of many fathers.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> > > > > and just bcoz u r not married

> > > > > and have no body 2 talk 2,

> > > > > u r releasing ur venom over here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Study some books on astrology and try

> > > > > 2 better Bhaskar,

> > > > > which would be a noble way

> > > > > of gaining victory over him,

> > > > > but not this way,

> > > > > shielding like a hinjda, behind

> > > > > a fake email id,

> > > > >

> > > > > And if u cant marry because of

> > > > > your physical ugliness,

> > > > > then let me know,

> > > > > i shall arrange some bride

> > > > > for you,

> > > > > though it wud be difficult considering

> > > > > ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always wanted to

> tell

> > > > about

> > > > > me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wow you got me so right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > > > > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > > > > > and address with contact Nos.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > > > > > lectures.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > > > > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > > > > > time on such lectures.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > > > > > which u r doing presently.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I own an astrology group on paper only. The group

> > started

> > > > with

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could take off,

> > > therefore

> > > > I

> > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is

like

> > > making

> > > > > > > rounds

> > > > > > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no

body

> > > thinks

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > am an astrologer although I have read books by

> Bhasin.

> > > > People

> > > > > > > > consider that unless I read classics I can not be a

> good

> > > > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a

> > little

> > > > > > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to

> > impress

> > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I

> love

> > > this

> > > > > > > hybrid

> > > > > > > > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out

in

> > the

> > > > > > groups

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family

to

> > > feed,

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one

challenges

> me

> > I

> > > > > claim

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I

> > hope

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > people will be taken in but they are smart and see

> > through

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > laments and claims.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When I tell people that what a great service I will

be

> > > doing

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > providing free astrological advice, but people laugh

> and

> > > > tell

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > > that it will be like free samples in advertising to

> get

> > > > > clients

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > that I have my next meals. With so many learned

> > > astrologers

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of

a

> > > chance

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > impress probable customers. With no work in hand and

> > > people

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily.

> Anger

> > > and

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Although I think that I am the most learned

astrologer

> > > > around

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I

am

> > such

> > > a

> > > > > > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my antics.

That

> is

> > > one

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every

> > thing

> > > > so

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The

I

> > get

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > frustrated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some people think that I am a mental case suffering

> from

> > a

> > > > lot

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me

> > that

> > > I

> > > > go

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is

true.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In case you want more about me, I can come up with

> some

> > > more

> > > > > > > > information.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > > > > > any further.

> > > > > > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > > > > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > > > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > > > > > judgements,

> > > > > > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > are among those,

> > > > > > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > > > > > for money.

> > > > > > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > > > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients.

Every

> > > body

> > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > you are a beggar going around with your begging

> bowl

> > > > from

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out from

every

> > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise

> why

> > > > would

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can

not

> > > stick

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > group because no body comes to your group to

seek

> > your

> > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > > > > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups

to

> > read

> > > > > > > articles

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of

them].

> I

> > > know

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for your next

> > bread

> > > > > > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any

> thing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you

> are.

> > As

> > > > for

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job.

I

> > am

> > > > > > already

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking

for

> > > > clients

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good

> > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who has made this id, just few days

> back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post

on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in

just

> 2

> > > days,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that

> Bhaskar

> > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology

columns.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need

> real

> > > men.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons

or

> > > > advises.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be

cautious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble

> > maker

> > > > who

> > > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand

a

> > > person

> > > > > > > smater

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe

> > > > > inferiority

> > > > > > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff

> raffs

> > > like

> > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " John "

> > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events

mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry

on,

> I

> > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just

> > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this

> > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why

spend

> > the

> > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We

> > should

> > > > all

> > > > > > > defend

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my

> > opinion,

> > > we

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid

> > > > explanations

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of

> Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i

> just

> > > > > > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this

> man

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person,

and

> I

> > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in

> his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his

> > posts

> > > > from

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India.

> However,

> > I

> > > > live

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread,

> for

> > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and

> > > > readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the

aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here

to

> > > write

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss

them

> > > with

> > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of

> your

> > > > > > > questions.

> > > > > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own

> > > observations.

> > > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their

> > > > postings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your

> > message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of

> > > > Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as

> mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected

to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for

> > future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all

this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth

Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord

> > > Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent

> > Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and

> the

> > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to

> Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the

> > Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story

> refers

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the

> > ideal

> > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We

> > note

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from

the

> > 9th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha.

> > Thus,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains.

We

> > > should

> > > > > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included

in

> > this

> > > > > > > category,

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house

(representing

> > > > > Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house

> > > > > (representing

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd

house

> > > > becomes

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The

knowledge

> > > gained

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is

> > > geared

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > success

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that

the

> > 5th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the

world,

> > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we

> > recognize

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > ,

> > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations

and

> > > > > > > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your

next

> > mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and

> All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that

> the

> > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are

to

> > be

> > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the

> > support

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Nature

> > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential

of

> > the

> > > > > > brain's

> > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the

> > > > significator

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness

> of

> > > > > > ignorance.

> > > > > > > > Our

> > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and

the

> > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we

are

> > to

> > > > > > maintain

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic

> > significance.

> > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th

> > > house.

> > > > > His

> > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th

house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the

jewel

> > > should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish,

> this

> > > > > temple

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the

> > > > individual

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher

> > levels

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is

a

> > > field

> > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our

own

> > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > Anyone

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge

gains

> > the

> > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the

> > > argalas

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase

the

> > > > > potential

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house

acquires

> > > argala

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the

> > > > practice

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires

> > > argala

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of

> > argalas

> > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits

are

> > > > gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of

> the

> > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss

the

> > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > ,

> > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be

> > > interesting

> > > > to

> > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear

from

> > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam,

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of

> > > Dvaraka,

> > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel

was

> > > noted

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > creating

> > > > > > > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those

> who

> > > > held

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > jewel.

> > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited

in

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters

> > > > including

> > > > > > > > plagues

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his

> intuition

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a

> concession,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should

be

> > kept

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had

to

> > > leave

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another

> location.

> > > > When

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies

brewed

> > up

> > > to

> > > > > > steal

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included

a

> > > person

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her

away

> > from

> > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this

> > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took

the

> > > jewel

> > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story

short,

> > > > Krishna

> > > > > > soon

> > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > man's

> > > > > > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle.

By

> > this

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal

> from

> > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the

> > > population

> > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family

> > > tradition,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and

> > > appease

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna

> > gatherd

> > > > the

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will

> be

> > > kept

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who

> hear

> > > > this

> > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested,

it

> > > would

> > > > be

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this

message

> in

> > > > terms

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

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[Guest guest]

Okay baby.

 

Wise decesion.

 

either fight face to face with Bhaskar

revealing ur true identity

or else whamoosh.

 

bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

-- In , " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> I PUT YOU ON IGNORE

> I PUT YOU ON IGNORE

> I PUT YOU ON IGNORE

>

>

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Ur words have no weight unless

> > u reveal urself.

> >

> > Ur real name age sex, academic and

> > professional qualifications'and attainments

> > if any.

> >

> > Till u dont reveal this,

> > we will not know

> > who is the person behind the Burka,

> > a gay, homo,gigolo,

> > trans... , a women, or a man.

> >

> > Whatever ur fake id is,

> > the man behind this id

> > will be 'a man of no self respect,

> > a coward,a black sheep

> > of his family,a women by instincts,

> > a dirty person hiding behind a veil,

> > a ghunghat,

> > who has no guts to

> > reveal himself,

> > who is afraid of society,

> > who has been unssuccesful

> > and jealous to see

> > others succes,

> > who cannot stand

> > praise of others

> > who gets heated up

> > when someone

> > talks good

> > of another astrologer,

> > who himself is waste in

> > his own circle,

> > a unwanted personality

> > who is complexed

> > and diseased.

> >

> > The problem is that u r unmarried,

> > and now a old

> > man nearing his 50's

> > and who has lost his respect in'the

> > society of'astrologers

> > due to his 24 x 7 non stop rubbish replying,

> > to natives,on all available Jyotish Forums,

> > and cannot do anything better beyond this,

> > who does not have brains to study better

> > astrology, nor time to do these

> > studies,

> > who wastes his vital energy by watching

> > photographs of females,as cannot

> > do better than that, and cant get hold of

> > a real female.

> >

> > C/mon reveal urself if you

> > are a son of one

> > Father,

> > and son of a good woman.

> >

> > Dont talk further

> > if you are not a rascal of ur family.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Bhaskar

> > >

> > > Thank you for your offer to analyse my horoscope. I am happy

> with

> > my

> > > own interpretation. I do not need any assistance from any one

> > least

> > > of all from you.

> > >

> > > Thank you once again.

> > >

> > > Ranbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ranbir,

> > > >

> > > > This is all wrong interpretations.

> > > > U know nothing of astrology.

> > > > All nonsense.

> > > >

> > > > Give me ur real date of birth,time

> > > > and place, and let me

> > > > tell u ur Life

> > > > story, but I am sure I know

> > > > already who u are

> > > > and ur birth details.

> > > >

> > > > dont ever try ur hand ur hand at strology.

> > > > You are a absolute failure., as seen

> > > > from your barks here.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

> > > > > Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be educated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > The day I was born there was a thunder and storm. The

> > > electricity

> > > > > failed in the area I was born. I was born away from my

> > ancestral

> > > > > home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother] was

present

> > > when

> > > > I

> > > > > was born.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in the 5th,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus in 9th; sun

> and

> > > > merc

> > > > > in 11th.

> > > > >

> > > > > My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the rahu is

placed

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of where ever

> it

> > is

> > > > > placed in the kundali. The significations of the Sun as

> > lagnesh

> > > > will

> > > > > be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by rahu.

> Personality

> > is

> > > > > most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

> > > > > Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned by Saturn

> in

> > > the

> > > > > Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in the 6th,

in

> > the

> > > > > shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of conflict.

> > > > > The Sun, which should have given me the perpetual

brilliance

> > to

> > > > > shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine and the

> dark

> > > > clouds

> > > > > by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it should have

> been.

> > > The

> > > > > reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with Saturn.

> > > > > Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not help the

> sun

> > > when

> > > > > two of his friends are pitted against it namely the rahu

and

> > the

> > > > > Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust. Although

the

> > moon

> > > > > does help the sun but it makes me all the more sensitive,

> with

> > > the

> > > > > result I flare up on a minor issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male progeny.

> > Lagnesh

> > > in

> > > > > the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of easy

money

> > but

> > > it

> > > > > doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all by myself

and

> > > that

> > > > > too with great effort.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved me from

most

> of

> > > my

> > > > > ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of Patal with a

> dark

> > > > > planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the association

of

> > the

> > > > > saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know what could

> > > happen

> > > > > with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly wisdom as

> the

> > > 5th

> > > > > lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub people on

the

> > > wrong

> > > > > side, I am not a worldly wise man.

> > > > > Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life unpleasant.

> Wife

> > > > keeps

> > > > > ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further afflicts my

> > > married

> > > > > life. This has made me quite irritable.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top, remember it is

> in

> > > the

> > > > > sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the ground where

as

> > the

> > > > rahu

> > > > > is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one above and

> the

> > > one

> > > > > deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that the remedies can help me get over these

> drawbacks,

> > > but

> > > > I

> > > > > can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if I ask some

> > > genuine

> > > > > astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not destined

to

> do

> > > > them

> > > > > as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in seeking

> advice

> > > > from

> > > > > others, but my ill placed ego holds me back, remember my

> > lagnesh

> > > > is

> > > > > eclipsed.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be saved. But why

> > would

> > > > any

> > > > > one save me?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranbir

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I got U right more than U know

> > > > > > about urself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U r the most obssessed astrologer

> > > > > > about me, in his late 40's who

> > > > > > is not able to live in this much

> > > > > > heat of jealousy , and has no other

> > > > > > way to get clear with

> > > > > > Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> > > > > > prowess, so uses the under the belt

> > > > > > ways.

> > > > > > U r a coward who does not reveal his

> > > > > > identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> > > > > > Bhaskar is a Man,

> > > > > > but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> > > > > > a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> > > > > > and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> > > > > > the fact remains that u r a coward born

> > > > > > of many fathers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> > > > > > and just bcoz u r not married

> > > > > > and have no body 2 talk 2,

> > > > > > u r releasing ur venom over here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Study some books on astrology and try

> > > > > > 2 better Bhaskar,

> > > > > > which would be a noble way

> > > > > > of gaining victory over him,

> > > > > > but not this way,

> > > > > > shielding like a hinjda, behind

> > > > > > a fake email id,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And if u cant marry because of

> > > > > > your physical ugliness,

> > > > > > then let me know,

> > > > > > i shall arrange some bride

> > > > > > for you,

> > > > > > though it wud be difficult considering

> > > > > > ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always wanted to

> > tell

> > > > > about

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wow you got me so right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > > > > > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > > > > > > and address with contact Nos.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > > > > > > lectures.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > > > > > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > > > > > > time on such lectures.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > > > > > > which u r doing presently.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I own an astrology group on paper only. The group

> > > started

> > > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could take off,

> > > > therefore

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is

> like

> > > > making

> > > > > > > > rounds

> > > > > > > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no

> body

> > > > thinks

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > am an astrologer although I have read books by

> > Bhasin.

> > > > > People

> > > > > > > > > consider that unless I read classics I can not be

a

> > good

> > > > > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have

a

> > > little

> > > > > > > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to

> > > impress

> > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I

> > love

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > hybrid

> > > > > > > > > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart

out

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > groups

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the

family

> to

> > > > feed,

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one

> challenges

> > me

> > > I

> > > > > > claim

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores.

I

> > > hope

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > people will be taken in but they are smart and see

> > > through

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > laments and claims.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When I tell people that what a great service I

will

> be

> > > > doing

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > providing free astrological advice, but people

laugh

> > and

> > > > > tell

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > that it will be like free samples in advertising

to

> > get

> > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > that I have my next meals. With so many learned

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much

of

> a

> > > > chance

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > impress probable customers. With no work in hand

and

> > > > people

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily.

> > Anger

> > > > and

> > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Although I think that I am the most learned

> astrologer

> > > > > around

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I

> am

> > > such

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my antics.

> That

> > is

> > > > one

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and

every

> > > thing

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > people notice me. Once again no body notices me.

The

> I

> > > get

> > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > frustrated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Some people think that I am a mental case

suffering

> > from

> > > a

> > > > > lot

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of advising

me

> > > that

> > > > I

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is

> true.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In case you want more about me, I can come up with

> > some

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > information.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > > > > > > any further.

> > > > > > > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > > > > > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > > > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > > > > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > > > > > > judgements,

> > > > > > > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > are among those,

> > > > > > > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > > > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > > > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > > > > > > for money.

> > > > > > > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > > > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > > > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > > > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > > > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > > > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > > > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > > > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > > > > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients.

> Every

> > > > body

> > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > you are a beggar going around with your

begging

> > bowl

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out from

> every

> > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way.

Otherwise

> > why

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can

> not

> > > > stick

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > group because no body comes to your group to

> seek

> > > your

> > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > > > > > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups

> to

> > > read

> > > > > > > > articles

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of

> them].

> > I

> > > > know

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for your

next

> > > bread

> > > > > > > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any

> > thing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you

> > are.

> > > As

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a

job.

> I

> > > am

> > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking

> for

> > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who has made this id, just few

days

> > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first

post

> on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in

> just

> > 2

> > > > days,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that

> > Bhaskar

> > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology

> columns.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We

need

> > real

> > > > men.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons

> or

> > > > > advises.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be

> cautious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a

trouble

> > > maker

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not

stand

> a

> > > > person

> > > > > > > > smater

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from

severe

> > > > > > inferiority

> > > > > > > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff

> > raffs

> > > > like

> > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " John "

> > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events

> mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry

> on,

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was

just

> > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this

> > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why

> spend

> > > the

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We

> > > should

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > defend

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my

> > > opinion,

> > > > we

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid

> > > > > explanations

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of

> > Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i

> > just

> > > > > > > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that

this

> > man

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person,

> and

> > I

> > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere,

in

> > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen

his

> > > posts

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India.

> > However,

> > > I

> > > > > live

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or

not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this

thread,

> > for

> > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings

and

> > > > > readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the

> aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here

> to

> > > > write

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss

> them

> > > > with

> > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of

> > your

> > > > > > > > questions.

> > > > > > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own

> > > > observations.

> > > > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of

their

> > > > > postings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your

> > > message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story

of

> > > > > Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as

> > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected

> to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any

purpose,for

> > > future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all

> this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth

> Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord

> > > > Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent

> > > Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th

and

> > the

> > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to

> > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the

> > > Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story

> > refers

> > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent

the

> > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house.

We

> > > note

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from

> the

> > > 9th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or

artha.

> > > Thus,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains.

> We

> > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included

> in

> > > this

> > > > > > > > category,

> > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house

> (representing

> > > > > > Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna

conceded

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house

> > > > > > (representing

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd

> house

> > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The

> knowledge

> > > > gained

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and

is

> > > > geared

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > success

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background,

this

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that

> the

> > > 5th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the

> world,

> > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we

> > > recognize

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > ,

> > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations

> and

> > > > > > > > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your

> next

> > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh

and

> > All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us

that

> > the

> > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains

are

> to

> > > be

> > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the

> > > support

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Nature

> > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the

potential

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > brain's

> > > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the

> > > > > significator

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the

darkness

> > of

> > > > > > > ignorance.

> > > > > > > > > Our

> > > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and

> the

> > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we

> are

> > > to

> > > > > > > maintain

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic

> > > significance.

> > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the

9th

> > > > house.

> > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th

> house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the

> jewel

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in

jyotish,

> > this

> > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th

house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or

the

> > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher

> > > levels

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It

is

> a

> > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our

> own

> > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > Anyone

> > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge

> gains

> > > the

> > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by

the

> > > > argalas

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase

> the

> > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house

> acquires

> > > > argala

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning

the

> > > > > practice

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house

acquires

> > > > argala

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of

> > > argalas

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits

> are

> > > > > gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells

of

> > the

> > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss

> the

> > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > ,

> > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be

> > > > interesting

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this

story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear

> from

> > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad

Bhagavatam,

> > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of

> > > > Dvaraka,

> > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel

> was

> > > > noted

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > creating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for

those

> > who

> > > > > held

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > jewel.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also

benefited

> in

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural

disasters

> > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > plagues

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his

> > intuition

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a

> > concession,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should

> be

> > > kept

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna

had

> to

> > > > leave

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another

> > location.

> > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies

> brewed

> > > up

> > > > to

> > > > > > > steal

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators

included

> a

> > > > person

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her

> away

> > > from

> > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this

> > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took

> the

> > > > jewel

> > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story

> short,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > soon

> > > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main

instigator

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was

not

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > man's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle.

> By

> > > this

> > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of

reprisal

> > from

> > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the

> > > > population

> > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family

> > > > tradition,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city

and

> > > > appease

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna

> > > gatherd

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel

will

> > be

> > > > kept

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those

who

> > hear

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested,

> it

> > > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this

> message

> > in

> > > > > terms

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

whamoosh! my foot

Would continue to be here to expose the fakes.

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Okay baby.

>

> Wise decesion.

>

> either fight face to face with Bhaskar

> revealing ur true identity

> or else whamoosh.

>

> bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In , " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > I PUT YOU ON IGNORE

> > I PUT YOU ON IGNORE

> > I PUT YOU ON IGNORE

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Ur words have no weight unless

> > > u reveal urself.

> > >

> > > Ur real name age sex, academic and

> > > professional qualifications'and attainments

> > > if any.

> > >

> > > Till u dont reveal this,

> > > we will not know

> > > who is the person behind the Burka,

> > > a gay, homo,gigolo,

> > > trans... , a women, or a man.

> > >

> > > Whatever ur fake id is,

> > > the man behind this id

> > > will be 'a man of no self respect,

> > > a coward,a black sheep

> > > of his family,a women by instincts,

> > > a dirty person hiding behind a veil,

> > > a ghunghat,

> > > who has no guts to

> > > reveal himself,

> > > who is afraid of society,

> > > who has been unssuccesful

> > > and jealous to see

> > > others succes,

> > > who cannot stand

> > > praise of others

> > > who gets heated up

> > > when someone

> > > talks good

> > > of another astrologer,

> > > who himself is waste in

> > > his own circle,

> > > a unwanted personality

> > > who is complexed

> > > and diseased.

> > >

> > > The problem is that u r unmarried,

> > > and now a old

> > > man nearing his 50's

> > > and who has lost his respect in'the

> > > society of'astrologers

> > > due to his 24 x 7 non stop rubbish replying,

> > > to natives,on all available Jyotish Forums,

> > > and cannot do anything better beyond this,

> > > who does not have brains to study better

> > > astrology, nor time to do these

> > > studies,

> > > who wastes his vital energy by watching

> > > photographs of females,as cannot

> > > do better than that, and cant get hold of

> > > a real female.

> > >

> > > C/mon reveal urself if you

> > > are a son of one

> > > Father,

> > > and son of a good woman.

> > >

> > > Dont talk further

> > > if you are not a rascal of ur family.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for your offer to analyse my horoscope. I am happy

> > with

> > > my

> > > > own interpretation. I do not need any assistance from any

one

> > > least

> > > > of all from you.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you once again.

> > > >

> > > > Ranbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ranbir,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is all wrong interpretations.

> > > > > U know nothing of astrology.

> > > > > All nonsense.

> > > > >

> > > > > Give me ur real date of birth,time

> > > > > and place, and let me

> > > > > tell u ur Life

> > > > > story, but I am sure I know

> > > > > already who u are

> > > > > and ur birth details.

> > > > >

> > > > > dont ever try ur hand ur hand at strology.

> > > > > You are a absolute failure., as seen

> > > > > from your barks here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

> > > > > > Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be educated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The day I was born there was a thunder and storm. The

> > > > electricity

> > > > > > failed in the area I was born. I was born away from my

> > > ancestral

> > > > > > home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother] was

> present

> > > > when

> > > > > I

> > > > > > was born.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in the

5th,

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus in 9th;

sun

> > and

> > > > > merc

> > > > > > in 11th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the rahu is

> placed

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of where

ever

> > it

> > > is

> > > > > > placed in the kundali. The significations of the Sun as

> > > lagnesh

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by rahu.

> > Personality

> > > is

> > > > > > most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

> > > > > > Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned by

Saturn

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in the 6th,

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of conflict.

> > > > > > The Sun, which should have given me the perpetual

> brilliance

> > > to

> > > > > > shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine and the

> > dark

> > > > > clouds

> > > > > > by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it should have

> > been.

> > > > The

> > > > > > reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with Saturn.

> > > > > > Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not help

the

> > sun

> > > > when

> > > > > > two of his friends are pitted against it namely the rahu

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust. Although

> the

> > > moon

> > > > > > does help the sun but it makes me all the more

sensitive,

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > result I flare up on a minor issue.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male progeny.

> > > Lagnesh

> > > > in

> > > > > > the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of easy

> money

> > > but

> > > > it

> > > > > > doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all by myself

> and

> > > > that

> > > > > > too with great effort.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved me from

> most

> > of

> > > > my

> > > > > > ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of Patal with

a

> > dark

> > > > > > planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the

association

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know what

could

> > > > happen

> > > > > > with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly wisdom

as

> > the

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub people on

> the

> > > > wrong

> > > > > > side, I am not a worldly wise man.

> > > > > > Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life unpleasant.

> > Wife

> > > > > keeps

> > > > > > ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further afflicts

my

> > > > married

> > > > > > life. This has made me quite irritable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top, remember it

is

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the ground where

> as

> > > the

> > > > > rahu

> > > > > > is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one above

and

> > the

> > > > one

> > > > > > deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know that the remedies can help me get over these

> > drawbacks,

> > > > but

> > > > > I

> > > > > > can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if I ask

some

> > > > genuine

> > > > > > astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not destined

> to

> > do

> > > > > them

> > > > > > as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in seeking

> > advice

> > > > > from

> > > > > > others, but my ill placed ego holds me back, remember my

> > > lagnesh

> > > > > is

> > > > > > eclipsed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be saved. But

why

> > > would

> > > > > any

> > > > > > one save me?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I got U right more than U know

> > > > > > > about urself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U r the most obssessed astrologer

> > > > > > > about me, in his late 40's who

> > > > > > > is not able to live in this much

> > > > > > > heat of jealousy , and has no other

> > > > > > > way to get clear with

> > > > > > > Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> > > > > > > prowess, so uses the under the belt

> > > > > > > ways.

> > > > > > > U r a coward who does not reveal his

> > > > > > > identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> > > > > > > Bhaskar is a Man,

> > > > > > > but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> > > > > > > a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> > > > > > > and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> > > > > > > the fact remains that u r a coward born

> > > > > > > of many fathers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> > > > > > > and just bcoz u r not married

> > > > > > > and have no body 2 talk 2,

> > > > > > > u r releasing ur venom over here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Study some books on astrology and try

> > > > > > > 2 better Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > which would be a noble way

> > > > > > > of gaining victory over him,

> > > > > > > but not this way,

> > > > > > > shielding like a hinjda, behind

> > > > > > > a fake email id,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And if u cant marry because of

> > > > > > > your physical ugliness,

> > > > > > > then let me know,

> > > > > > > i shall arrange some bride

> > > > > > > for you,

> > > > > > > though it wud be difficult considering

> > > > > > > ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always wanted

to

> > > tell

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wow you got me so right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > > > > > > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > > > > > > > and address with contact Nos.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > > > > > > > lectures.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > > > > > > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > > > > > > > time on such lectures.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > > > > > > > which u r doing presently.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I own an astrology group on paper only. The

group

> > > > started

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could take

off,

> > > > > therefore

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is

> > like

> > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > rounds

> > > > > > > > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no

> > body

> > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > am an astrologer although I have read books by

> > > Bhasin.

> > > > > > People

> > > > > > > > > > consider that unless I read classics I can not

be

> a

> > > good

> > > > > > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > > > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I

have

> a

> > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy

to

> > > > impress

> > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs.

I

> > > love

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > hybrid

> > > > > > > > > > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart

> out

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > groups

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the

> family

> > to

> > > > > feed,

> > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one

> > challenges

> > > me

> > > > I

> > > > > > > claim

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few

Crores.

> I

> > > > hope

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > people will be taken in but they are smart and

see

> > > > through

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > laments and claims.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When I tell people that what a great service I

> will

> > be

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > providing free astrological advice, but people

> laugh

> > > and

> > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > that it will be like free samples in advertising

> to

> > > get

> > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > that I have my next meals. With so many learned

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much

> of

> > a

> > > > > chance

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > impress probable customers. With no work in hand

> and

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very

easily.

> > > Anger

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Although I think that I am the most learned

> > astrologer

> > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but

I

> > am

> > > > such

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my antics.

> > That

> > > is

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and

> every

> > > > thing

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > people notice me. Once again no body notices me.

> The

> > I

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > frustrated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Some people think that I am a mental case

> suffering

> > > from

> > > > a

> > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of

advising

> me

> > > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it

is

> > true.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In case you want more about me, I can come up

with

> > > some

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > information.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > > > > > > > any further.

> > > > > > > > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > > > > > > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > > > > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > > > > > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > > > > > > > judgements,

> > > > > > > > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > > are among those,

> > > > > > > > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > > > > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > > > > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > > > > > > > for money.

> > > > > > > > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > > > > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > > > > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > > > > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > > > > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > > > > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > > > > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > > > > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > > > > > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients.

> > Every

> > > > > body

> > > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > you are a beggar going around with your

> begging

> > > bowl

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out from

> > every

> > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way.

> Otherwise

> > > why

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You

can

> > not

> > > > > stick

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > group because no body comes to your group to

> > seek

> > > > your

> > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these

groups

> > to

> > > > read

> > > > > > > > > articles

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of

> > them].

> > > I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for your

> next

> > > > bread

> > > > > > > > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at

any

> > > thing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as

you

> > > are.

> > > > As

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a

> job.

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around

looking

> > for

> > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who has made this id, just few

> days

> > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first

> post

> > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in

> > just

> > > 2

> > > > > days,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that

> > > Bhaskar

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology

> > columns.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We

> need

> > > real

> > > > > men.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving

sermons

> > or

> > > > > > advises.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be

> > cautious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a

> trouble

> > > > maker

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not

> stand

> > a

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > smater

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from

> severe

> > > > > > > inferiority

> > > > > > > > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with

riff

> > > raffs

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you,

then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the

same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your

leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events

> > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please

carry

> > on,

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was

> just

> > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why

> > spend

> > > > the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is

why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails.

We

> > > > should

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > defend

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my

> > > > opinion,

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with

solid

> > > > > > explanations

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of

> > > Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry,

i

> > > just

> > > > > > > > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that

> this

> > > man

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good

person,

> > and

> > > I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I

interfere,

> in

> > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen

> his

> > > > posts

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India.

> > > However,

> > > > I

> > > > > > live

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or

> not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this

> thread,

> > > for

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings

> and

> > > > > > readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the

> > aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members

here

> > to

> > > > > write

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can

discuss

> > them

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any

of

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > questions.

> > > > > > > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own

> > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of

> their

> > > > > > postings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per

your

> > > > message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the

story

> of

> > > > > > Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in

these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish

connected

> > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any

> purpose,for

> > > > future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all

> > this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth

> > Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by

Lord

> > > > > Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th

represent

> > > > Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th

> and

> > > the

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to

> > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to

the

> > > > Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the

story

> > > refers

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent

> the

> > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th

house.

> We

> > > > note

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th

from

> > the

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or

> artha.

> > > > Thus,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material

gains.

> > We

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is

included

> > in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > category,

> > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house

> > (representing

> > > > > > > Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna

> conceded

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd

house

> > > > > > > (representing

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd

> > house

> > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The

> > knowledge

> > > > > gained

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature

and

> is

> > > > > geared

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > success

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background,

> this

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see

that

> > the

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the

> > world,

> > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we

> > > > recognize

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > ,

> > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting

observations

> > and

> > > > > > > > > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to

your

> > next

> > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh

> and

> > > All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains

> are

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain

the

> > > > support

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the

> potential

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > brain's

> > > > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun,

the

> > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the

> darkness

> > > of

> > > > > > > > ignorance.

> > > > > > > > > > Our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul

and

> > the

> > > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level,

we

> > are

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > maintain

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic

> > > > significance.

> > > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the

> 9th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th

> > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the

> > jewel

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in

> jyotish,

> > > this

> > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th

> house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or

> the

> > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining

higher

> > > > levels

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation.

It

> is

> > a

> > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including

our

> > own

> > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge

> > gains

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by

> the

> > > > > argalas

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we

increase

> > the

> > > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house

> > acquires

> > > > > argala

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning

> the

> > > > > > practice

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house

> acquires

> > > > > argala

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression

of

> > > > argalas

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the

benefits

> > are

> > > > > > gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however,

tells

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will

discuss

> > the

> > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be

> > > > > interesting

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this

> story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to

hear

> > from

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad

> Bhagavatam,

> > > > there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king

of

> > > > > Dvaraka,

> > > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The

jewel

> > was

> > > > > noted

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > creating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for

> those

> > > who

> > > > > > held

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > jewel.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also

> benefited

> > in

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural

> disasters

> > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > > plagues

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his

> > > intuition

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a

> > > concession,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it

should

> > be

> > > > kept

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna

> had

> > to

> > > > > leave

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another

> > > location.

> > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies

> > brewed

> > > > up

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > steal

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators

> included

> > a

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her

> > away

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this

> > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and

took

> > the

> > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story

> > short,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > soon

> > > > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main

> instigator

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was

> not

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > man's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's

uncle.

> > By

> > > > this

> > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of

> reprisal

> > > from

> > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city,

the

> > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family

> > > > > tradition,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city

> and

> > > > > appease

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return,

Krishna

> > > > gatherd

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel

> will

> > > be

> > > > > kept

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those

> who

> > > hear

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is

interested,

> > it

> > > > > would

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this

> > message

> > > in

> > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > --

> > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 -

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> N

> > > > > number

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > mails

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

> this

> > > > > message

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> --

> > --

> > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take

polls,

> > and

> > > > > > discuss

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > passions -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

this

> > > > message

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