The Secret of the Syamantaka Jewel Revealed, part 2

February 10, 2008

Expose the fakes. Thats good. But u urself

are a fake, till u reveal urself.

Ur real name age sex, academic and

professional qualifications'and attainments

if any and address + Contact numbers,

if given, can only

prove that ur not a fake.

The members here do not know who is

talking here,

son of one father or many fathers,

daughter of one man or many men,

a male or a female,

a old women or a young child.

a 5th class pass,

or a matric fail.

a idiot working in a call centre who

has free acces to internet,

or a businessman using internet with his

own hard earned money.

C.mon reveal urself.

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> whamoosh! my foot

> Would continue to be here to expose the fakes.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Okay baby.

> >

> > Wise decesion.

> >

> > either fight face to face with Bhaskar

> > revealing ur true identity

> > or else whamoosh.

> >

> > bhaskar.

> >

> > -- In , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I PUT YOU ON IGNORE

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ur words have no weight unless

> > > > u reveal urself.

> > > >

> > > > Ur real name age sex, academic and

> > > > professional qualifications'and attainments

> > > > if any.

> > > >

> > > > Till u dont reveal this,

> > > > we will not know

> > > > who is the person behind the Burka,

> > > > a gay, homo,gigolo,

> > > > trans... , a women, or a man.

> > > >

> > > > Whatever ur fake id is,

> > > > the man behind this id

> > > > will be 'a man of no self respect,

> > > > a coward,a black sheep

> > > > of his family,a women by instincts,

> > > > a dirty person hiding behind a veil,

> > > > a ghunghat,

> > > > who has no guts to

> > > > reveal himself,

> > > > who is afraid of society,

> > > > who has been unssuccesful

> > > > and jealous to see

> > > > others succes,

> > > > who cannot stand

> > > > praise of others

> > > > who gets heated up

> > > > when someone

> > > > talks good

> > > > of another astrologer,

> > > > who himself is waste in

> > > > his own circle,

> > > > a unwanted personality

> > > > who is complexed

> > > > and diseased.

> > > >

> > > > The problem is that u r unmarried,

> > > > and now a old

> > > > man nearing his 50's

> > > > and who has lost his respect in'the

> > > > society of'astrologers

> > > > due to his 24 x 7 non stop rubbish replying,

> > > > to natives,on all available Jyotish Forums,

> > > > and cannot do anything better beyond this,

> > > > who does not have brains to study better

> > > > astrology, nor time to do these

> > > > studies,

> > > > who wastes his vital energy by watching

> > > > photographs of females,as cannot

> > > > do better than that, and cant get hold of

> > > > a real female.

> > > >

> > > > C/mon reveal urself if you

> > > > are a son of one

> > > > Father,

> > > > and son of a good woman.

> > > >

> > > > Dont talk further

> > > > if you are not a rascal of ur family.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for your offer to analyse my horoscope. I am

happy

> > > with

> > > > my

> > > > > own interpretation. I do not need any assistance from any

> one

> > > > least

> > > > > of all from you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you once again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranbir

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ranbir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is all wrong interpretations.

> > > > > > U know nothing of astrology.

> > > > > > All nonsense.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Give me ur real date of birth,time

> > > > > > and place, and let me

> > > > > > tell u ur Life

> > > > > > story, but I am sure I know

> > > > > > already who u are

> > > > > > and ur birth details.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dont ever try ur hand ur hand at strology.

> > > > > > You are a absolute failure., as seen

> > > > > > from your barks here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

> > > > > > > Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be educated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The day I was born there was a thunder and storm. The

> > > > > electricity

> > > > > > > failed in the area I was born. I was born away from my

> > > > ancestral

> > > > > > > home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother] was

> > present

> > > > > when

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > was born.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in the

> 5th,

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus in 9th;

> sun

> > > and

> > > > > > merc

> > > > > > > in 11th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the rahu is

> > placed

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of where

> ever

> > > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > placed in the kundali. The significations of the Sun

as

> > > > lagnesh

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by rahu.

> > > Personality

> > > > is

> > > > > > > most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

> > > > > > > Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned by

> Saturn

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in the

6th,

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of

conflict.

> > > > > > > The Sun, which should have given me the perpetual

> > brilliance

> > > > to

> > > > > > > shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine and

the

> > > dark

> > > > > > clouds

> > > > > > > by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it should

have

> > > been.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with Saturn.

> > > > > > > Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not help

> the

> > > sun

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > two of his friends are pitted against it namely the

rahu

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust.

Although

> > the

> > > > moon

> > > > > > > does help the sun but it makes me all the more

> sensitive,

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > result I flare up on a minor issue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male

progeny.

> > > > Lagnesh

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of easy

> > money

> > > > but

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all by

myself

> > and

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > too with great effort.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved me from

> > most

> > > of

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of Patal

with

> a

> > > dark

> > > > > > > planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the

> association

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know what

> could

> > > > > happen

> > > > > > > with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly wisdom

> as

> > > the

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub people

on

> > the

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > side, I am not a worldly wise man.

> > > > > > > Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life

unpleasant.

> > > Wife

> > > > > > keeps

> > > > > > > ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further afflicts

> my

> > > > > married

> > > > > > > life. This has made me quite irritable.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top, remember

it

> is

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the ground

where

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one above

> and

> > > the

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that the remedies can help me get over these

> > > drawbacks,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if I ask

> some

> > > > > genuine

> > > > > > > astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not

destined

> > to

> > > do

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in

seeking

> > > advice

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > others, but my ill placed ego holds me back, remember

my

> > > > lagnesh

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > eclipsed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be saved. But

> why

> > > > would

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > one save me?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I got U right more than U know

> > > > > > > > about urself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > U r the most obssessed astrologer

> > > > > > > > about me, in his late 40's who

> > > > > > > > is not able to live in this much

> > > > > > > > heat of jealousy , and has no other

> > > > > > > > way to get clear with

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> > > > > > > > prowess, so uses the under the belt

> > > > > > > > ways.

> > > > > > > > U r a coward who does not reveal his

> > > > > > > > identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar is a Man,

> > > > > > > > but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> > > > > > > > a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> > > > > > > > and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> > > > > > > > the fact remains that u r a coward born

> > > > > > > > of many fathers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> > > > > > > > and just bcoz u r not married

> > > > > > > > and have no body 2 talk 2,

> > > > > > > > u r releasing ur venom over here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Study some books on astrology and try

> > > > > > > > 2 better Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > which would be a noble way

> > > > > > > > of gaining victory over him,

> > > > > > > > but not this way,

> > > > > > > > shielding like a hinjda, behind

> > > > > > > > a fake email id,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And if u cant marry because of

> > > > > > > > your physical ugliness,

> > > > > > > > then let me know,

> > > > > > > > i shall arrange some bride

> > > > > > > > for you,

> > > > > > > > though it wud be difficult considering

> > > > > > > > ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always

wanted

> to

> > > > tell

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow you got me so right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > > > > > > > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > > > > > > > > and address with contact Nos.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > > > > > > > > lectures.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > > > > > > > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > > > > > > > > time on such lectures.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > > > > > > > > which u r doing presently.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I own an astrology group on paper only. The

> group

> > > > > started

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could take

> off,

> > > > > > therefore

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It

is

> > > like

> > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > rounds

> > > > > > > > > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe

no

> > > body

> > > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > am an astrologer although I have read books

by

> > > > Bhasin.

> > > > > > > People

> > > > > > > > > > > consider that unless I read classics I can not

> be

> > a

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > > > > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I

> have

> > a

> > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy

> to

> > > > > impress

> > > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the

subs.

> I

> > > > love

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > hybrid

> > > > > > > > > > > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my

heart

> > out

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > groups

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the

> > family

> > > to

> > > > > > feed,

> > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one

> > > challenges

> > > > me

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > claim

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few

> Crores.

> > I

> > > > > hope

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > people will be taken in but they are smart and

> see

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > laments and claims.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When I tell people that what a great service I

> > will

> > > be

> > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > providing free astrological advice, but people

> > laugh

> > > > and

> > > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > that it will be like free samples in

advertising

> > to

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > that I have my next meals. With so many

learned

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have

much

> > of

> > > a

> > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > impress probable customers. With no work in

hand

> > and

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very

> easily.

> > > > Anger

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Although I think that I am the most learned

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me,

but

> I

> > > am

> > > > > such

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my

antics.

> > > That

> > > > is

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and

> > every

> > > > > thing

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > people notice me. Once again no body notices

me.

> > The

> > > I

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > frustrated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Some people think that I am a mental case

> > suffering

> > > > from

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of

> advising

> > me

> > > > > that

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it

> is

> > > true.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In case you want more about me, I can come up

> with

> > > > some

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > information.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > > > > > > > > any further.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > > > > > > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > > > > > > > > judgements,

> > > > > > > > > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > > > are among those,

> > > > > > > > > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > > > > > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > > > > > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > > > > > > > > for money.

> > > > > > > > > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > > > > > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > > > > > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > > > > > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > > > > > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > > > > > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > > > > > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > > > > > > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his

clients.

> > > Every

> > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you are a beggar going around with your

> > begging

> > > > bowl

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out

from

> > > every

> > > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way.

> > Otherwise

> > > > why

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You

> can

> > > not

> > > > > > stick

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > group because no body comes to your group

to

> > > seek

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > body knows that you are a no good

astrolger.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these

> groups

> > > to

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > articles

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of

> > > them].

> > > > I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for

your

> > next

> > > > > bread

> > > > > > > > > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at

> any

> > > > thing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as

> you

> > > > are.

> > > > > As

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for

a

> > job.

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around

> looking

> > > for

> > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no

good

> > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who has made this id, just few

> > days

> > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first

> > post

> > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons

in

> > > just

> > > > 2

> > > > > > days,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days

that

> > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real

name,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology

> > > columns.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after

disclosing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We

> > need

> > > > real

> > > > > > men.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving

> sermons

> > > or

> > > > > > > advises.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be

> > > cautious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a

> > trouble

> > > > > maker

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not

> > stand

> > > a

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > smater

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from

> > severe

> > > > > > > > inferiority

> > > > > > > > > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with

> riff

> > > > raffs

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you,

> then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the

> same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your

> leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please

> carry

> > > on,

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It

was

> > just

> > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when

this

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so

why

> > > spend

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which

is

> why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your

emails.

> We

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > defend

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In

my

> > > > > opinion,

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with

> solid

> > > > > > > explanations

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John

of

> > > > Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely

sorry,

> i

> > > > just

> > > > > > > > > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind,

that

> > this

> > > > man

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good

> person,

> > > and

> > > > I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I

> interfere,

> > in

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have

seen

> > his

> > > > > posts

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India.

> > > > However,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > live

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John

or

> > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this

> > thread,

> > > > for

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious

learnings

> > and

> > > > > > > readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the

> > > aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members

> here

> > > to

> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can

> discuss

> > > them

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to

any

> of

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > questions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own

> > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of

> > their

> > > > > > > postings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom

this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per

> your

> > > > > message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the

> story

> > of

> > > > > > > Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect

Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in

> these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish

> connected

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any

> > purpose,for

> > > > > future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after

all

> > > this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or

Birth

> > > Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by

> Lord

> > > > > > Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th

> represent

> > > > > Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the

4th

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to

> > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to

> the

> > > > > Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the

> story

> > > > refers

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which

prevent

> > the

> > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th

> house.

> > We

> > > > > note

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th

> from

> > > the

> > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or

> > artha.

> > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material

> gains.

> > > We

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is

> included

> > > in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > category,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house

> > > (representing

> > > > > > > > Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna

> > conceded

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd

> house

> > > > > > > > (representing

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the

2nd

> > > house

> > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The

> > > knowledge

> > > > > > gained

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature

> and

> > is

> > > > > > geared

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > success

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background,

> > this

> > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see

> that

> > > the

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the

> > > world,

> > > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such,

we

> > > > > recognize

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting

> observations

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to

> your

> > > next

> > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

Aavesh

> > and

> > > > All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling

us

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our

brains

> > are

> > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain

> the

> > > > > support

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the

> > potential

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > brain's

> > > > > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun,

> the

> > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the

> > darkness

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > ignorance.

> > > > > > > > > > > Our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual

level,

> we

> > > are

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > maintain

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic

> > > > > significance.

> > > > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by

the

> > 9th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the

10th

> > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that

the

> > > jewel

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in

> > jyotish,

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th

> > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart

or

> > the

> > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining

> higher

> > > > > levels

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation.

> It

> > is

> > > a

> > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including

> our

> > > own

> > > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of

knowledge

> > > gains

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized

by

> > the

> > > > > > argalas

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we

> increase

> > > the

> > > > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house

> > > acquires

> > > > > > argala

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights

concerning

> > the

> > > > > > > practice

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house

> > acquires

> > > > > > argala

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the

progression

> of

> > > > > argalas

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the

> benefits

> > > are

> > > > > > > gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however,

> tells

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will

> discuss

> > > the

> > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly

be

> > > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this

> > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to

> hear

> > > from

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad

> > Bhagavatam,

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the

king

> of

> > > > > > Dvaraka,

> > > > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The

> jewel

> > > was

> > > > > > noted

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > creating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for

> > those

> > > > who

> > > > > > > held

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > jewel.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also

> > benefited

> > > in

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural

> > disasters

> > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > > > plagues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his

> > > > intuition

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a

> > > > concession,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it

> should

> > > be

> > > > > kept

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day

Krishna

> > had

> > > to

> > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another

> > > > location.

> > > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's

enemies

> > > brewed

> > > > > up

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > steal

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators

> > included

> > > a

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take

her

> > > away

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in

this

> > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and

> took

> > > the

> > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story

> > > short,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > soon

> > > > > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main

> > instigator

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel

was

> > not

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > man's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's

> uncle.

> > > By

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of

> > reprisal

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city,

> the

> > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with

family

> > > > > > tradition,

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the

city

> > and

> > > > > > appease

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return,

> Krishna

> > > > > gatherd

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the

jewel

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that

those

> > who

> > > > hear

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is

> interested,

> > > it

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this

> > > message

> > > > in

> > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > of

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

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> > > > > > > discuss

> > > > > > > > > your

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February 10, 2008

Enjoying every bit of it. LOL

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Expose the fakes. Thats good. But u urself

> are a fake, till u reveal urself.

> Ur real name age sex, academic and

> professional qualifications'and attainments

> if any and address + Contact numbers,

> if given, can only

> prove that ur not a fake.

>

> The members here do not know who is

> talking here,

> son of one father or many fathers,

> daughter of one man or many men,

> a male or a female,

> a old women or a young child.

> a 5th class pass,

> or a matric fail.

>

> a idiot working in a call centre who

> has free acces to internet,

> or a businessman using internet with his

> own hard earned money.

>

> C.mon reveal urself.

>

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > whamoosh! my foot

> > Would continue to be here to expose the fakes.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Okay baby.

> > >

> > > Wise decesion.

> > >

> > > either fight face to face with Bhaskar

> > > revealing ur true identity

> > > or else whamoosh.

> > >

> > > bhaskar.

> > >

> > > -- In , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I PUT YOU ON IGNORE

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ur words have no weight unless

> > > > > u reveal urself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ur real name age sex, academic and

> > > > > professional qualifications'and attainments

> > > > > if any.

> > > > >

> > > > > Till u dont reveal this,

> > > > > we will not know

> > > > > who is the person behind the Burka,

> > > > > a gay, homo,gigolo,

> > > > > trans... , a women, or a man.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whatever ur fake id is,

> > > > > the man behind this id

> > > > > will be 'a man of no self respect,

> > > > > a coward,a black sheep

> > > > > of his family,a women by instincts,

> > > > > a dirty person hiding behind a veil,

> > > > > a ghunghat,

> > > > > who has no guts to

> > > > > reveal himself,

> > > > > who is afraid of society,

> > > > > who has been unssuccesful

> > > > > and jealous to see

> > > > > others succes,

> > > > > who cannot stand

> > > > > praise of others

> > > > > who gets heated up

> > > > > when someone

> > > > > talks good

> > > > > of another astrologer,

> > > > > who himself is waste in

> > > > > his own circle,

> > > > > a unwanted personality

> > > > > who is complexed

> > > > > and diseased.

> > > > >

> > > > > The problem is that u r unmarried,

> > > > > and now a old

> > > > > man nearing his 50's

> > > > > and who has lost his respect in'the

> > > > > society of'astrologers

> > > > > due to his 24 x 7 non stop rubbish replying,

> > > > > to natives,on all available Jyotish Forums,

> > > > > and cannot do anything better beyond this,

> > > > > who does not have brains to study better

> > > > > astrology, nor time to do these

> > > > > studies,

> > > > > who wastes his vital energy by watching

> > > > > photographs of females,as cannot

> > > > > do better than that, and cant get hold of

> > > > > a real female.

> > > > >

> > > > > C/mon reveal urself if you

> > > > > are a son of one

> > > > > Father,

> > > > > and son of a good woman.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dont talk further

> > > > > if you are not a rascal of ur family.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for your offer to analyse my horoscope. I am

> happy

> > > > with

> > > > > my

> > > > > > own interpretation. I do not need any assistance from

any

> > one

> > > > > least

> > > > > > of all from you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you once again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ranbir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is all wrong interpretations.

> > > > > > > U know nothing of astrology.

> > > > > > > All nonsense.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Give me ur real date of birth,time

> > > > > > > and place, and let me

> > > > > > > tell u ur Life

> > > > > > > story, but I am sure I know

> > > > > > > already who u are

> > > > > > > and ur birth details.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dont ever try ur hand ur hand at strology.

> > > > > > > You are a absolute failure., as seen

> > > > > > > from your barks here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

> > > > > > > > Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be

educated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The day I was born there was a thunder and storm.

The

> > > > > > electricity

> > > > > > > > failed in the area I was born. I was born away from

my

> > > > > ancestral

> > > > > > > > home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother] was

> > > present

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > was born.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in the

> > 5th,

> > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus in

9th;

> > sun

> > > > and

> > > > > > > merc

> > > > > > > > in 11th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the rahu

is

> > > placed

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of

where

> > ever

> > > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > placed in the kundali. The significations of the Sun

> as

> > > > > lagnesh

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by rahu.

> > > > Personality

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

> > > > > > > > Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned by

> > Saturn

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in the

> 6th,

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of

> conflict.

> > > > > > > > The Sun, which should have given me the perpetual

> > > brilliance

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine and

> the

> > > > dark

> > > > > > > clouds

> > > > > > > > by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it should

> have

> > > > been.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with Saturn.

> > > > > > > > Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not

help

> > the

> > > > sun

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > two of his friends are pitted against it namely the

> rahu

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust.

> Although

> > > the

> > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > does help the sun but it makes me all the more

> > sensitive,

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > result I flare up on a minor issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male

> progeny.

> > > > > Lagnesh

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of

easy

> > > money

> > > > > but

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all by

> myself

> > > and

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > too with great effort.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved me

from

> > > most

> > > > of

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of Patal

> with

> > a

> > > > dark

> > > > > > > > planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the

> > association

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know what

> > could

> > > > > > happen

> > > > > > > > with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly

wisdom

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub

people

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > side, I am not a worldly wise man.

> > > > > > > > Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life

> unpleasant.

> > > > Wife

> > > > > > > keeps

> > > > > > > > ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further

afflicts

> > my

> > > > > > married

> > > > > > > > life. This has made me quite irritable.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top, remember

> it

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the ground

> where

> > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one

above

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know that the remedies can help me get over these

> > > > drawbacks,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if I

ask

> > some

> > > > > > genuine

> > > > > > > > astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not

> destined

> > > to

> > > > do

> > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in

> seeking

> > > > advice

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > others, but my ill placed ego holds me back,

remember

> my

> > > > > lagnesh

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > eclipsed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be saved.

But

> > why

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > one save me?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I got U right more than U know

> > > > > > > > > about urself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U r the most obssessed astrologer

> > > > > > > > > about me, in his late 40's who

> > > > > > > > > is not able to live in this much

> > > > > > > > > heat of jealousy , and has no other

> > > > > > > > > way to get clear with

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> > > > > > > > > prowess, so uses the under the belt

> > > > > > > > > ways.

> > > > > > > > > U r a coward who does not reveal his

> > > > > > > > > identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar is a Man,

> > > > > > > > > but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> > > > > > > > > a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> > > > > > > > > and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> > > > > > > > > the fact remains that u r a coward born

> > > > > > > > > of many fathers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> > > > > > > > > and just bcoz u r not married

> > > > > > > > > and have no body 2 talk 2,

> > > > > > > > > u r releasing ur venom over here.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Study some books on astrology and try

> > > > > > > > > 2 better Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > which would be a noble way

> > > > > > > > > of gaining victory over him,

> > > > > > > > > but not this way,

> > > > > > > > > shielding like a hinjda, behind

> > > > > > > > > a fake email id,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And if u cant marry because of

> > > > > > > > > your physical ugliness,

> > > > > > > > > then let me know,

> > > > > > > > > i shall arrange some bride

> > > > > > > > > for you,

> > > > > > > > > though it wud be difficult considering

> > > > > > > > > ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always

> wanted

> > to

> > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Wow you got me so right.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > > > > > > > > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > > > > > > > > > and address with contact Nos.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > > > > > > > > > lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > > > > > > > > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > > > > > > > > > time on such lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > > > > > > > > > which u r doing presently.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I own an astrology group on paper only. The

> > group

> > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could take

> > off,

> > > > > > > therefore

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > > > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl.

It

> is

> > > > like

> > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > rounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my

woe

> no

> > > > body

> > > > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > am an astrologer although I have read books

> by

> > > > > Bhasin.

> > > > > > > > People

> > > > > > > > > > > > consider that unless I read classics I can

not

> > be

> > > a

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I

> > have

> > > a

> > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very

handy

> > to

> > > > > > impress

> > > > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the

> subs.

> > I

> > > > > love

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > hybrid

> > > > > > > > > > > > system although I hate every thing else

hybrid.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my

> heart

> > > out

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > groups

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the

> > > family

> > > > to

> > > > > > > feed,

> > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one

> > > > challenges

> > > > > me

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > claim

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few

> > Crores.

> > > I

> > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > people will be taken in but they are smart

and

> > see

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > laments and claims.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When I tell people that what a great service

I

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > providing free astrological advice, but

people

> > > laugh

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > that it will be like free samples in

> advertising

> > > to

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > that I have my next meals. With so many

> learned

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have

> much

> > > of

> > > > a

> > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > impress probable customers. With no work in

> hand

> > > and

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very

> > easily.

> > > > > Anger

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Although I think that I am the most learned

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me,

> but

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my

> antics.

> > > > That

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each

and

> > > every

> > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > people notice me. Once again no body notices

> me.

> > > The

> > > > I

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Some people think that I am a mental case

> > > suffering

> > > > > from

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of

> > advising

> > > me

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if

it

> > is

> > > > true.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In case you want more about me, I can come

up

> > with

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > information.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any further.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and

professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > judgements,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are among those,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for money.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > > > > > > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his

> clients.

> > > > Every

> > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are a beggar going around with your

> > > begging

> > > > > bowl

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out

> from

> > > > every

> > > > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way.

> > > Otherwise

> > > > > why

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga.

You

> > can

> > > > not

> > > > > > > stick

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > group because no body comes to your

group

> to

> > > > seek

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > body knows that you are a no good

> astrolger.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these

> > groups

> > > > to

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > > articles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you one

of

> > > > them].

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for

> your

> > > next

> > > > > > bread

> > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good

at

> > any

> > > > > thing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as much

as

> > you

> > > > > are.

> > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking

for

> a

> > > job.

> > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around

> > looking

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no

> good

> > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who has made this id, just

few

> > > days

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your

first

> > > post

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group. And you started

sermons

> in

> > > > just

> > > > > 2

> > > > > > > days,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days

> that

> > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real

> name,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and your contributions to

astrology

> > > > columns.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after

> disclosing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters.

We

> > > need

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > men.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving

> > sermons

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > advises.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks

Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just

be

> > > > cautious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a

> > > trouble

> > > > > > maker

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can

not

> > > stand

> > > > a

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > smater

> > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers

from

> > > severe

> > > > > > > > > inferiority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with

> > riff

> > > > > raffs

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt

you,

> > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for

the

> > same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your

> > leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the

events

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please

> > carry

> > > > on,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It

> was

> > > just

> > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when

> this

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so

> why

> > > > spend

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which

> is

> > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your

> emails.

> > We

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > defend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum.

In

> my

> > > > > > opinion,

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with

> > solid

> > > > > > > > explanations

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil

John

> of

> > > > > Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely

> sorry,

> > i

> > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind,

> that

> > > this

> > > > > man

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good

> > person,

> > > > and

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I

> > interfere,

> > > in

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have

> seen

> > > his

> > > > > > posts

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in

India.

> > > > > However,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > live

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same

John

> or

> > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this

> > > thread,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious

> learnings

> > > and

> > > > > > > > readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in

the

> > > > aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the

members

> > here

> > > > to

> > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can

> > discuss

> > > > them

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to

> any

> > of

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > questions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my

own

> > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any

of

> > > their

> > > > > > > > postings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom

> this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per

> > your

> > > > > > message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the

> > story

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem,

as

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect

> Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic

stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event

in

> > these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish

> > connected

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any

> > > purpose,for

> > > > > > future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after

> all

> > > > this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or

> Birth

> > > > Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented

by

> > Lord

> > > > > > > Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th

> > represent

> > > > > > Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the

> 4th

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards

to

> > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated

to

> > the

> > > > > > Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the

> > story

> > > > > refers

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which

> prevent

> > > the

> > > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th

> > house.

> > > We

> > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or

> > > artha.

> > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material

> > gains.

> > > > We

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is

> > included

> > > > in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > category,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house

> > > > (representing

> > > > > > > > > Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna

> > > conceded

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd

> > house

> > > > > > > > > (representing

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the

> 2nd

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > gained

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in

nature

> > and

> > > is

> > > > > > > geared

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > success

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this

background,

> > > this

> > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we

see

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in

the

> > > > world,

> > > > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As

such,

> we

> > > > > > recognize

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting

> > observations

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to

> > your

> > > > next

> > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> Aavesh

> > > and

> > > > > All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling

> us

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our

> brains

> > > are

> > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to

gain

> > the

> > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the

> > > potential

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > brain's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the

Sun,

> > the

> > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the

> > > darkness

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > ignorance.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the

soul

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the

world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual

> level,

> > we

> > > > are

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > maintain

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic

> > > > > > significance.

> > > > > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by

> the

> > > 9th

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the

> 10th

> > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that

> the

> > > > jewel

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in

> > > jyotish,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the

12th

> > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart

> or

> > > the

> > > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining

> > higher

> > > > > > levels

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying

meditation.

> > It

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions,

including

> > our

> > > > own

> > > > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of

> knowledge

> > > > gains

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is

realized

> by

> > > the

> > > > > > > argalas

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is

strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we

> > increase

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house

> > > > acquires

> > > > > > > argala

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights

> concerning

> > > the

> > > > > > > > practice

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house

> > > acquires

> > > > > > > argala

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the

> progression

> > of

> > > > > > argalas

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the

> > benefits

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however,

> > tells

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will

> > discuss

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly

> be

> > > > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of

this

> > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to

> > hear

> > > > from

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad

> > > Bhagavatam,

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the

> king

> > of

> > > > > > > Dvaraka,

> > > > > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The

> > jewel

> > > > was

> > > > > > > noted

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > creating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis

for

> > > those

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > held

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also

> > > benefited

> > > > in

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural

> > > disasters

> > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > > > > plagues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by

his

> > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a

> > > > > concession,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it

> > should

> > > > be

> > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day

> Krishna

> > > had

> > > > to

> > > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in

another

> > > > > location.

> > > > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's

> enemies

> > > > brewed

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > steal

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators

> > > included

> > > > a

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take

> her

> > > > away

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in

> this

> > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king

and

> > took

> > > > the

> > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long

story

> > > > short,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > soon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main

> > > instigator

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel

> was

> > > not

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > man's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's

> > uncle.

> > > > By

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of

> > > reprisal

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the

city,

> > the

> > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with

> family

> > > > > > > tradition,

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the

> city

> > > and

> > > > > > > appease

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return,

> > Krishna

> > > > > > gatherd

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the

> jewel

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > kept

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that

> those

> > > who

> > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is

> > interested,

> > > > it

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > be

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priviledge

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

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February 10, 2008

Enjoying behind a curtain ???

Real enjoyment would be to come in picture

and let others too enjoy ur presence,

which unfortunately u r not

revealing . U r fighting a unfair battle,

by remaining invisible to a warrior

who is visible.

C, mon be a man or a brave women

either of these two, but not in between.

I would like to win this impudent woman over

to me, if u r a woman, but not a coward warrior

behind a veil or a in between.Which one are u ?

Of these 3 ?

LOL .

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> Enjoying every bit of it. LOL

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Expose the fakes. Thats good. But u urself

> > are a fake, till u reveal urself.

> > Ur real name age sex, academic and

> > professional qualifications'and attainments

> > if any and address + Contact numbers,

> > if given, can only

> > prove that ur not a fake.

> >

> > The members here do not know who is

> > talking here,

> > son of one father or many fathers,

> > daughter of one man or many men,

> > a male or a female,

> > a old women or a young child.

> > a 5th class pass,

> > or a matric fail.

> >

> > a idiot working in a call centre who

> > has free acces to internet,

> > or a businessman using internet with his

> > own hard earned money.

> >

> > C.mon reveal urself.

> >

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > whamoosh! my foot

> > > Would continue to be here to expose the fakes.

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Okay baby.

> > > >

> > > > Wise decesion.

> > > >

> > > > either fight face to face with Bhaskar

> > > > revealing ur true identity

> > > > or else whamoosh.

> > > >

> > > > bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > -- In , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I PUT YOU ON IGNORE

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ur words have no weight unless

> > > > > > u reveal urself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ur real name age sex, academic and

> > > > > > professional qualifications'and attainments

> > > > > > if any.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Till u dont reveal this,

> > > > > > we will not know

> > > > > > who is the person behind the Burka,

> > > > > > a gay, homo,gigolo,

> > > > > > trans... , a women, or a man.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whatever ur fake id is,

> > > > > > the man behind this id

> > > > > > will be 'a man of no self respect,

> > > > > > a coward,a black sheep

> > > > > > of his family,a women by instincts,

> > > > > > a dirty person hiding behind a veil,

> > > > > > a ghunghat,

> > > > > > who has no guts to

> > > > > > reveal himself,

> > > > > > who is afraid of society,

> > > > > > who has been unssuccesful

> > > > > > and jealous to see

> > > > > > others succes,

> > > > > > who cannot stand

> > > > > > praise of others

> > > > > > who gets heated up

> > > > > > when someone

> > > > > > talks good

> > > > > > of another astrologer,

> > > > > > who himself is waste in

> > > > > > his own circle,

> > > > > > a unwanted personality

> > > > > > who is complexed

> > > > > > and diseased.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The problem is that u r unmarried,

> > > > > > and now a old

> > > > > > man nearing his 50's

> > > > > > and who has lost his respect in'the

> > > > > > society of'astrologers

> > > > > > due to his 24 x 7 non stop rubbish replying,

> > > > > > to natives,on all available Jyotish Forums,

> > > > > > and cannot do anything better beyond this,

> > > > > > who does not have brains to study better

> > > > > > astrology, nor time to do these

> > > > > > studies,

> > > > > > who wastes his vital energy by watching

> > > > > > photographs of females,as cannot

> > > > > > do better than that, and cant get hold of

> > > > > > a real female.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > C/mon reveal urself if you

> > > > > > are a son of one

> > > > > > Father,

> > > > > > and son of a good woman.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dont talk further

> > > > > > if you are not a rascal of ur family.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for your offer to analyse my horoscope. I am

> > happy

> > > > > with

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > own interpretation. I do not need any assistance from

> any

> > > one

> > > > > > least

> > > > > > > of all from you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you once again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ranbir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is all wrong interpretations.

> > > > > > > > U know nothing of astrology.

> > > > > > > > All nonsense.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Give me ur real date of birth,time

> > > > > > > > and place, and let me

> > > > > > > > tell u ur Life

> > > > > > > > story, but I am sure I know

> > > > > > > > already who u are

> > > > > > > > and ur birth details.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dont ever try ur hand ur hand at strology.

> > > > > > > > You are a absolute failure., as seen

> > > > > > > > from your barks here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

> > > > > > > > > Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be

> educated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The day I was born there was a thunder and storm.

> The

> > > > > > > electricity

> > > > > > > > > failed in the area I was born. I was born away

from

> my

> > > > > > ancestral

> > > > > > > > > home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother]

was

> > > > present

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > was born.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in

the

> > > 5th,

> > > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus in

> 9th;

> > > sun

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > merc

> > > > > > > > > in 11th.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the rahu

> is

> > > > placed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of

> where

> > > ever

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > placed in the kundali. The significations of the

Sun

> > as

> > > > > > lagnesh

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by rahu.

> > > > > Personality

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

> > > > > > > > > Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned

by

> > > Saturn

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in

the

> > 6th,

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of

> > conflict.

> > > > > > > > > The Sun, which should have given me the perpetual

> > > > brilliance

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine

and

> > the

> > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > clouds

> > > > > > > > > by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it should

> > have

> > > > > been.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not

> help

> > > the

> > > > > sun

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > two of his friends are pitted against it namely

the

> > rahu

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust.

> > Although

> > > > the

> > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > does help the sun but it makes me all the more

> > > sensitive,

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > result I flare up on a minor issue.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male

> > progeny.

> > > > > > Lagnesh

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of

> easy

> > > > money

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all by

> > myself

> > > > and

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > too with great effort.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved me

> from

> > > > most

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of Patal

> > with

> > > a

> > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the

> > > association

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know

what

> > > could

> > > > > > > happen

> > > > > > > > > with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly

> wisdom

> > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub

> people

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > side, I am not a worldly wise man.

> > > > > > > > > Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life

> > unpleasant.

> > > > > Wife

> > > > > > > > keeps

> > > > > > > > > ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further

> afflicts

> > > my

> > > > > > > married

> > > > > > > > > life. This has made me quite irritable.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top,

remember

> > it

> > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the ground

> > where

> > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one

> above

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I know that the remedies can help me get over

these

> > > > > drawbacks,

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if I

> ask

> > > some

> > > > > > > genuine

> > > > > > > > > astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not

> > destined

> > > > to

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in

> > seeking

> > > > > advice

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > others, but my ill placed ego holds me back,

> remember

> > my

> > > > > > lagnesh

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > eclipsed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be saved.

> But

> > > why

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > one save me?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I got U right more than U know

> > > > > > > > > > about urself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > U r the most obssessed astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > about me, in his late 40's who

> > > > > > > > > > is not able to live in this much

> > > > > > > > > > heat of jealousy , and has no other

> > > > > > > > > > way to get clear with

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> > > > > > > > > > prowess, so uses the under the belt

> > > > > > > > > > ways.

> > > > > > > > > > U r a coward who does not reveal his

> > > > > > > > > > identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar is a Man,

> > > > > > > > > > but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> > > > > > > > > > a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> > > > > > > > > > and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> > > > > > > > > > the fact remains that u r a coward born

> > > > > > > > > > of many fathers.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> > > > > > > > > > and just bcoz u r not married

> > > > > > > > > > and have no body 2 talk 2,

> > > > > > > > > > u r releasing ur venom over here.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Study some books on astrology and try

> > > > > > > > > > 2 better Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > which would be a noble way

> > > > > > > > > > of gaining victory over him,

> > > > > > > > > > but not this way,

> > > > > > > > > > shielding like a hinjda, behind

> > > > > > > > > > a fake email id,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And if u cant marry because of

> > > > > > > > > > your physical ugliness,

> > > > > > > > > > then let me know,

> > > > > > > > > > i shall arrange some bride

> > > > > > > > > > for you,

> > > > > > > > > > though it wud be difficult considering

> > > > > > > > > > ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always

> > wanted

> > > to

> > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wow you got me so right.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and address with contact Nos.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > > > > > > > > > > lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > > > > > > > > > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > > > > > > > > > > time on such lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > > > > > > > > > > which u r doing presently.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it

is:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I own an astrology group on paper only.

The

> > > group

> > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could

take

> > > off,

> > > > > > > > therefore

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > haunting other groups with a begging bowl.

> It

> > is

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > rounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my

> woe

> > no

> > > > > body

> > > > > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > am an astrologer although I have read

books

> > by

> > > > > > Bhasin.

> > > > > > > > > People

> > > > > > > > > > > > > consider that unless I read classics I can

> not

> > > be

> > > > a

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know .

I

> > > have

> > > > a

> > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very

> handy

> > > to

> > > > > > > impress

> > > > > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of the

> > subs.

> > > I

> > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid

> > > > > > > > > > > > > system although I hate every thing else

> hybrid.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my

> > heart

> > > > out

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > groups

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition,

the

> > > > family

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > feed,

> > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some one

> > > > > challenges

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > claim

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a few

> > > Crores.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > people will be taken in but they are smart

> and

> > > see

> > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > laments and claims.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When I tell people that what a great

service

> I

> > > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > providing free astrological advice, but

> people

> > > > laugh

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that it will be like free samples in

> > advertising

> > > > to

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that I have my next meals. With so many

> > learned

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't

have

> > much

> > > > of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > impress probable customers. With no work

in

> > hand

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated very

> > > easily.

> > > > > > Anger

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I think that I am the most

learned

> > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at

me,

> > but

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my

> > antics.

> > > > > That

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on each

> and

> > > > every

> > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > people notice me. Once again no body

notices

> > me.

> > > > The

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people think that I am a mental case

> > > > suffering

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of

> > > advising

> > > > me

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what

if

> it

> > > is

> > > > > true.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you want more about me, I can come

> up

> > > with

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > information.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any further.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and

> professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgements,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are among those,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for money.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his

> > clients.

> > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are a beggar going around with

your

> > > > begging

> > > > > > bowl

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted out

> > from

> > > > > every

> > > > > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any way.

> > > > Otherwise

> > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga.

> You

> > > can

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > stick

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group because no body comes to your

> group

> > to

> > > > > seek

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body knows that you are a no good

> > astrolger.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to

these

> > > groups

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > > > articles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you

one

> of

> > > > > them].

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother for

> > your

> > > > next

> > > > > > > bread

> > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no

good

> at

> > > any

> > > > > > thing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as

much

> as

> > > you

> > > > > > are.

> > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking

> for

> > a

> > > > job.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around

> > > looking

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous

no

> > good

> > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who has made this id, just

> few

> > > > days

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your

> first

> > > > post

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group. And you started

> sermons

> > in

> > > > > just

> > > > > > 2

> > > > > > > > days,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days

> > that

> > > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please give your identiity, real

> > name,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and your contributions to

> astrology

> > > > > columns.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after

> > disclosing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan

masters.

> We

> > > > need

> > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > men.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one

father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving

> > > sermons

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > advises.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks

> Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So just

> be

> > > > > cautious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is

a

> > > > trouble

> > > > > > > maker

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can

> not

> > > > stand

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > smater

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers

> from

> > > > severe

> > > > > > > > > > inferiority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve

with

> > > riff

> > > > > > raffs

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt

> you,

> > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for

> the

> > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump

your

> > > leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the

> events

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may

please

> > > carry

> > > > > on,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same.

It

> > was

> > > > just

> > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use,

when

> > this

> > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future,

so

> > why

> > > > > spend

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts,

which

> > is

> > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your

> > emails.

> > > We

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > defend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations in this forum.

> In

> > my

> > > > > > > opinion,

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments

with

> > > solid

> > > > > > > > > explanations

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil

> John

> > of

> > > > > > Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely

> > sorry,

> > > i

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind,

> > that

> > > > this

> > > > > > man

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good

> > > person,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I

> > > interfere,

> > > > in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have

> > seen

> > > > his

> > > > > > > posts

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in

> India.

> > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > live

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is

cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same

> John

> > or

> > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in

this

> > > > thread,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious

> > learnings

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in

> the

> > > > > aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the

> members

> > > here

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can

> > > discuss

> > > > > them

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense

to

> > any

> > > of

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > questions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my

> own

> > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in

any

> of

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > > postings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to

whom

> > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as

per

> > > your

> > > > > > > message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to

the

> > > story

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this

Gem,

> as

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata

Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect

> > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic

> stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event

> in

> > > these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish

> > > connected

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any

> > > > purpose,for

> > > > > > > future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved

after

> > all

> > > > > this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or

> > Birth

> > > > > Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented

> by

> > > Lord

> > > > > > > > Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th

> > > represent

> > > > > > > Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do

the

> > 4th

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards

> to

> > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi

equated

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and

All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in

the

> > > story

> > > > > > refers

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which

> > prevent

> > > > the

> > > > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th

> > > house.

> > > > We

> > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the

6th

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money

or

> > > > artha.

> > > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material

> > > gains.

> > > > > We

> > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is

> > > included

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > category,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house

> > > > > (representing

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna

> > > > conceded

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the

2nd

> > > house

> > > > > > > > > > (representing

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from

the

> > 2nd

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning.

The

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > gained

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in

> nature

> > > and

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > geared

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > success

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this

> background,

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we

> see

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in

> the

> > > > > world,

> > > > > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As

> such,

> > we

> > > > > > > recognize

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting

> > > observations

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward

to

> > > your

> > > > > next

> > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > Aavesh

> > > > and

> > > > > > All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is

telling

> > us

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our

> > brains

> > > > are

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to

> gain

> > > the

> > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the

> > > > potential

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > brain's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the

> Sun,

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel

the

> > > > darkness

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > ignorance.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the

> soul

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > mechanism

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the

> world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual

> > level,

> > > we

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > maintain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of

cosmic

> > > > > > > significance.

> > > > > > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified

by

> > the

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or

the

> > 10th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated

that

> > the

> > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintained

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in

> > > > jyotish,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the

> 12th

> > > > house.

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chart

> > or

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for

attaining

> > > higher

> > > > > > > levels

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying

> meditation.

> > > It

> > > > is

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions,

> including

> > > our

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access

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> > knowledge

> > > > > gains

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is

> realized

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > argalas

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is

> strengthened.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we

> > > increase

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

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house

> > > > > acquires

> > > > > > > > argala

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights

> > concerning

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > practice

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th

house

> > > > acquires

> > > > > > > > argala

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the

> > progression

> > > of

> > > > > > > argalas

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the

> > > benefits

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story,

however,

> > > tells

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will

> > > discuss

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > t

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would

ceratinly

> > be

> > > > > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of

> this

> > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward

to

> > > hear

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@>

> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad

> > > > Bhagavatam,

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the

> > king

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Dvaraka,

> > > > > > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage.

The

> > > jewel

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > noted

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > creating

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis

> for

> > > > those

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > held

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also

> > > > benefited

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural

> > > > disasters

> > > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > > > > > plagues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by

> his

> > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as

a

> > > > > > concession,

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that

it

> > > should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day

> > Krishna

> > > > had

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in

> another

> > > > > > location.

> > > > > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's

> > enemies

> > > > > brewed

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > steal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators

> > > > included

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to

take

> > her

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in

> > this

> > > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king

> and

> > > took

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long

> story

> > > > > short,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > soon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main

> > > > instigator

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the

jewel

> > was

> > > > not

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > man's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by

Krishna's

> > > uncle.

> > > > > By

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of

> > > > reprisal

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the

> city,

> > > the

> > > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and

wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with

> > family

> > > > > > > > tradition,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the

> > city

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > appease

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return,

> > > Krishna

> > > > > > > gatherd

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the

> > jewel

> > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that

> > those

> > > > who

> > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is

> > > interested,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of

> this

> > > > > message

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

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February 10, 2008

i'm lovin it

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Enjoying behind a curtain ???

> Real enjoyment would be to come in picture

> and let others too enjoy ur presence,

> which unfortunately u r not

> revealing . U r fighting a unfair battle,

> by remaining invisible to a warrior

> who is visible.

>

> C, mon be a man or a brave women

> either of these two, but not in between.

>

> I would like to win this impudent woman over

> to me, if u r a woman, but not a coward warrior

> behind a veil or a in between.Which one are u ?

> Of these 3 ?

>

> LOL .

>

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > Enjoying every bit of it. LOL

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Expose the fakes. Thats good. But u urself

> > > are a fake, till u reveal urself.

> > > Ur real name age sex, academic and

> > > professional qualifications'and attainments

> > > if any and address + Contact numbers,

> > > if given, can only

> > > prove that ur not a fake.

> > >

> > > The members here do not know who is

> > > talking here,

> > > son of one father or many fathers,

> > > daughter of one man or many men,

> > > a male or a female,

> > > a old women or a young child.

> > > a 5th class pass,

> > > or a matric fail.

> > >

> > > a idiot working in a call centre who

> > > has free acces to internet,

> > > or a businessman using internet with his

> > > own hard earned money.

> > >

> > > C.mon reveal urself.

> > >

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > whamoosh! my foot

> > > > Would continue to be here to expose the fakes.

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Okay baby.

> > > > >

> > > > > Wise decesion.

> > > > >

> > > > > either fight face to face with Bhaskar

> > > > > revealing ur true identity

> > > > > or else whamoosh.

> > > > >

> > > > > bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I PUT YOU ON IGNORE

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ur words have no weight unless

> > > > > > > u reveal urself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ur real name age sex, academic and

> > > > > > > professional qualifications'and attainments

> > > > > > > if any.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Till u dont reveal this,

> > > > > > > we will not know

> > > > > > > who is the person behind the Burka,

> > > > > > > a gay, homo,gigolo,

> > > > > > > trans... , a women, or a man.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whatever ur fake id is,

> > > > > > > the man behind this id

> > > > > > > will be 'a man of no self respect,

> > > > > > > a coward,a black sheep

> > > > > > > of his family,a women by instincts,

> > > > > > > a dirty person hiding behind a veil,

> > > > > > > a ghunghat,

> > > > > > > who has no guts to

> > > > > > > reveal himself,

> > > > > > > who is afraid of society,

> > > > > > > who has been unssuccesful

> > > > > > > and jealous to see

> > > > > > > others succes,

> > > > > > > who cannot stand

> > > > > > > praise of others

> > > > > > > who gets heated up

> > > > > > > when someone

> > > > > > > talks good

> > > > > > > of another astrologer,

> > > > > > > who himself is waste in

> > > > > > > his own circle,

> > > > > > > a unwanted personality

> > > > > > > who is complexed

> > > > > > > and diseased.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The problem is that u r unmarried,

> > > > > > > and now a old

> > > > > > > man nearing his 50's

> > > > > > > and who has lost his respect in'the

> > > > > > > society of'astrologers

> > > > > > > due to his 24 x 7 non stop rubbish replying,

> > > > > > > to natives,on all available Jyotish Forums,

> > > > > > > and cannot do anything better beyond this,

> > > > > > > who does not have brains to study better

> > > > > > > astrology, nor time to do these

> > > > > > > studies,

> > > > > > > who wastes his vital energy by watching

> > > > > > > photographs of females,as cannot

> > > > > > > do better than that, and cant get hold of

> > > > > > > a real female.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > C/mon reveal urself if you

> > > > > > > are a son of one

> > > > > > > Father,

> > > > > > > and son of a good woman.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dont talk further

> > > > > > > if you are not a rascal of ur family.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for your offer to analyse my horoscope. I

am

> > > happy

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > own interpretation. I do not need any assistance

from

> > any

> > > > one

> > > > > > > least

> > > > > > > > of all from you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you once again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ranbir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is all wrong interpretations.

> > > > > > > > > U know nothing of astrology.

> > > > > > > > > All nonsense.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Give me ur real date of birth,time

> > > > > > > > > and place, and let me

> > > > > > > > > tell u ur Life

> > > > > > > > > story, but I am sure I know

> > > > > > > > > already who u are

> > > > > > > > > and ur birth details.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dont ever try ur hand ur hand at strology.

> > > > > > > > > You are a absolute failure., as seen

> > > > > > > > > from your barks here.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was born on June 28th 1961 in Rohtak Haryana.

> > > > > > > > > > Male / 46, I am literate, can not claim to be

> > educated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me explain this to you in terms of astrology.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The day I was born there was a thunder and

storm.

> > The

> > > > > > > > electricity

> > > > > > > > > > failed in the area I was born. I was born away

> from

> > my

> > > > > > > ancestral

> > > > > > > > > > home. I am told my Nani [ maternal grand mother]

> was

> > > > > present

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > was born.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am Leo Lagna with Mars and Rahu there, moon in

> the

> > > > 5th,

> > > > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > and the Saturn in the 6th ; ketu in 7th; venus

in

> > 9th;

> > > > sun

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > merc

> > > > > > > > > > in 11th.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My major problem is Rahu in the 1st. When the

rahu

> > is

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > first house it eclipses the sun irrespective of

> > where

> > > > ever

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > placed in the kundali. The significations of the

> Sun

> > > as

> > > > > > > lagnesh

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > be eclipsed; as if the lagnesh is cursed by

rahu.

> > > > > > Personality

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > most affected by that. In a way it is warped.

> > > > > > > > > > Lagnesh sun is placed in the 11th, a house owned

> by

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Kalpurush kundali. But the Saturn is placed in

> the

> > > 6th,

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > shadashtak yog with the sun; a relationship of

> > > conflict.

> > > > > > > > > > The Sun, which should have given me the

perpetual

> > > > > brilliance

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > shine, gives me fame but with blots. It is shine

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > clouds

> > > > > > > > > > by turn. It is not a continuous shine as it

should

> > > have

> > > > > > been.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > reasons are the Rahu and the conflict with

Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > Although the Sun is with mercury, but it can not

> > help

> > > > the

> > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > two of his friends are pitted against it namely

> the

> > > rahu

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn. Even otherwise the mercury is combust.

> > > Although

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > does help the sun but it makes me all the more

> > > > sensitive,

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > result I flare up on a minor issue.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The sun here makes me unhappy in terms of male

> > > progeny.

> > > > > > > Lagnesh

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the labh sthan should otherwise give me a lot of

> > easy

> > > > > money

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > doesn't. I have to earn every single paisa all

by

> > > myself

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > too with great effort.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the only planet that could have saved

me

> > from

> > > > > most

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > ills, is helplessly trapped in the depths of

Patal

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > > dark

> > > > > > > > > > planet Saturn. The bleakness of patal and the

> > > > association

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > saturn has made the Jupiter a captive. You know

> what

> > > > could

> > > > > > > > happen

> > > > > > > > > > with Jupiter representing intellect and worldly

> > wisdom

> > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > lord, trapped in darkness. I inadvertently rub

> > people

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > side, I am not a worldly wise man.

> > > > > > > > > > Venus placed in the 9th makes my family life

> > > unpleasant.

> > > > > > Wife

> > > > > > > > > keeps

> > > > > > > > > > ill most of the time. Rahu in the 1st further

> > afflicts

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > married

> > > > > > > > > > life. This has made me quite irritable.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mars in the 1st house makes me blow my top,

> remember

> > > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > sign of the Sun. Mars is the fire above the

ground

> > > where

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > > is the lava deep down below. The two fires, one

> > above

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > deep within, signify and sum up my personality.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know that the remedies can help me get over

> these

> > > > > > drawbacks,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > can't ask for them. I feel belittling myself if

I

> > ask

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > genuine

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer for the remedies; or may be I am not

> > > destined

> > > > > to

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > > as yet. I know that there is no loss of face in

> > > seeking

> > > > > > advice

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > others, but my ill placed ego holds me back,

> > remember

> > > my

> > > > > > > lagnesh

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > eclipsed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am a genius ruined, a genius that can be

saved.

> > But

> > > > why

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > one save me?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I got U right more than U know

> > > > > > > > > > > about urself.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > U r the most obssessed astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > about me, in his late 40's who

> > > > > > > > > > > is not able to live in this much

> > > > > > > > > > > heat of jealousy , and has no other

> > > > > > > > > > > way to get clear with

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,compared with his astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > prowess, so uses the under the belt

> > > > > > > > > > > ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > U r a coward who does not reveal his

> > > > > > > > > > > identity but fights with Bhaskar, invisible.

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar is a Man,

> > > > > > > > > > > but what about U ? U r worse than a gigolo or

> > > > > > > > > > > a Gay ? A person who does not reveal himself ,

> > > > > > > > > > > and just attacks,is worst than a eunuch.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Whatever identity of e mail id u take

> > > > > > > > > > > the fact remains that u r a coward born

> > > > > > > > > > > of many fathers.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately i have understood who u r,

> > > > > > > > > > > and just bcoz u r not married

> > > > > > > > > > > and have no body 2 talk 2,

> > > > > > > > > > > u r releasing ur venom over here.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Study some books on astrology and try

> > > > > > > > > > > 2 better Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > which would be a noble way

> > > > > > > > > > > of gaining victory over him,

> > > > > > > > > > > but not this way,

> > > > > > > > > > > shielding like a hinjda, behind

> > > > > > > > > > > a fake email id,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And if u cant marry because of

> > > > > > > > > > > your physical ugliness,

> > > > > > > > > > > then let me know,

> > > > > > > > > > > i shall arrange some bride

> > > > > > > > > > > for you,

> > > > > > > > > > > though it wud be difficult considering

> > > > > > > > > > > ur ugliness., but i shall manage.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The lines you wrote sum up what I had always

> > > wanted

> > > > to

> > > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wow you got me so right.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What is Ur Real name., age , Sex,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Qualifications, academic and professional,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and address with contact Nos.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Come up with these, and not long

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You only mirror your own shortcomings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and deficiencies by wasting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time on such lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Empty vessels make the most noise,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which u r doing presently.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You also seem to be suffering from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chronic paranoid pyshcotic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > disorders,and acute scrhizophenia.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lovely Tommy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you insist on my identity, here it

> is:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I own an astrology group on paper only.

> The

> > > > group

> > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fanfare but crashed before it could

> take

> > > > off,

> > > > > > > > > therefore

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > haunting other groups with a begging

bowl.

> > It

> > > is

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rounds

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of temples hoping to get some alms. To

my

> > woe

> > > no

> > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > am an astrologer although I have read

> books

> > > by

> > > > > > > Bhasin.

> > > > > > > > > > People

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider that unless I read classics I

can

> > not

> > > > be

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me Bhasin is all the classics I

know .

> I

> > > > have

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > smattering of KP system also. It is very

> > handy

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > impress

> > > > > > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when I talk about subs and the subs of

the

> > > subs.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > love

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hybrid

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > system although I hate every thing else

> > hybrid.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When ever I get an opportunity to pour

my

> > > heart

> > > > > out

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > groups

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition,

> the

> > > > > family

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > feed,

> > > > > > > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > two ends meet and so on. But when some

one

> > > > > > challenges

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > claim

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be a Crorepati running a business of a

few

> > > > Crores.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > hope

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > people will be taken in but they are

smart

> > and

> > > > see

> > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > laments and claims.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I tell people that what a great

> service

> > I

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > providing free astrological advice, but

> > people

> > > > > laugh

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > tell

> > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it will be like free samples in

> > > advertising

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that I have my next meals. With so many

> > > learned

> > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups a semi literate like me doesn't

> have

> > > much

> > > > > of

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > impress probable customers. With no work

> in

> > > hand

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking me seriously, I get irritated

very

> > > > easily.

> > > > > > > Anger

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I think that I am the most

> learned

> > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > body takes me seriously. People laugh at

> me,

> > > but

> > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shameless fellow that I continue with my

> > > antics.

> > > > > > That

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons I keep expressing my views on

each

> > and

> > > > > every

> > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > people notice me. Once again no body

> notices

> > > me.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people think that I am a mental

case

> > > > > suffering

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > lot

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > complexes. They even go to the extent of

> > > > advising

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what

> if

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > true.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you want more about me, I can

come

> > up

> > > > with

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > information.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any further.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and

> > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and contact cell numbers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you cannot do above, then do not

give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any sermons or pass

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgements,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it would be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are among those,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for money.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which means you are a old member with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would also be considered that you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not have a single lineage or

parentage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but multiples of these.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Demented Kid,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his

> > > clients.

> > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are a beggar going around with

> your

> > > > > begging

> > > > > > > bowl

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to another. You keep being shunted

out

> > > from

> > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > where.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beggars have no self respect any

way.

> > > > > Otherwise

> > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stick to your own group Jyotish

Ganga.

> > You

> > > > can

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > stick

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group because no body comes to your

> > group

> > > to

> > > > > > seek

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > help.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body knows that you are a no good

> > > astrolger.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not bother about me. I come to

> these

> > > > groups

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > > > > > articles

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned people [ I do not count you

> one

> > of

> > > > > > them].

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utilise my time. You should bother

for

> > > your

> > > > > next

> > > > > > > > bread

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baby,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You would have looked for

clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where u were born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u are really a zealous person

having

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his wife,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beg me,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to you,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but prove

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but servers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind your business. You are no

> good

> > at

> > > > any

> > > > > > > thing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a member of this group as

> much

> > as

> > > > you

> > > > > > > are.

> > > > > > > > As

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualification etc, I aint

looking

> > for

> > > a

> > > > > job.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go

around

> > > > looking

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous

> no

> > > good

> > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who has made this id,

just

> > few

> > > > > days

> > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your

> > first

> > > > > post

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group. And you started

> > sermons

> > > in

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > days,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have realised in just 2

days

> > > that

> > > > > > > Bhaskar

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please give your identiity,

real

> > > name,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and professional

qualifications,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and your contributions to

> > astrology

> > > > > > columns.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after

> > > disclosing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan

> masters.

> > We

> > > > > need

> > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > > men.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are a man born of one

> father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identify yourself, before

giving

> > > > sermons

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > advises.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks

> > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its the other way round. So

just

> > be

> > > > > > cautious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He

is

> a

> > > > > trouble

> > > > > > > > maker

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kicked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He

can

> > not

> > > > > stand

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > smater

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers

> > from

> > > > > severe

> > > > > > > > > > > inferiority

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complex.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is better not to involve

> with

> > > > riff

> > > > > > > raffs

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have

hurt

> > you,

> > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry

for

> > the

> > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump

> your

> > > > leaning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the

> > events

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may

> please

> > > > carry

> > > > > > on,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same.

> It

> > > was

> > > > > just

> > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use,

> when

> > > this

> > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in

future,

> so

> > > why

> > > > > > spend

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts,

> which

> > > is

> > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your

> > > emails.

> > > > We

> > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > defend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations in this

forum.

> > In

> > > my

> > > > > > > > opinion,

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments

> with

> > > > solid

> > > > > > > > > > explanations

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil

> > John

> > > of

> > > > > > > Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then again I am

extremely

> > > sorry,

> > > > i

> > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > remembered

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my

mind,

> > > that

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > man

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a

good

> > > > person,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I

> > > > interfere,

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I

have

> > > seen

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > posts

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in

> > India.

> > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > live

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is

> cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same

> > John

> > > or

> > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in

> this

> > > > > thread,

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who are into religious

> > > learnings

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > readings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so

in

> > the

> > > > > > aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should encourage the

> > members

> > > > here

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We

can

> > > > discuss

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > reason

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense

> to

> > > any

> > > > of

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > questions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend

my

> > own

> > > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in

> any

> > of

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > postings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to

> whom

> > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as

> per

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > message ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to

> the

> > > > story

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this

> Gem,

> > as

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata

> Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect

> > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic

> > stories

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and each and every

event

> > in

> > > > these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish

> > > > connected

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any

> > > > > purpose,for

> > > > > > > > future

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved

> after

> > > all

> > > > > > this ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope

or

> > > Birth

> > > > > > Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th

represented

> > by

> > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th

> > > > represent

> > > > > > > > Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do

> the

> > > 4th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent with

regards

> > to

> > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi

> equated

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and

> All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in

> the

> > > > story

> > > > > > > refers

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which

> > > prevent

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > ideal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the

12th

> > > > house.

> > > > > We

> > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the

> 6th

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money

> or

> > > > > artha.

> > > > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or

material

> > > > gains.

> > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna

is

> > > > included

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > category,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house

> > > > > > (representing

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless,

Krishna

> > > > > conceded

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acquisition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the

> 2nd

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > (representing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from

> the

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning.

> The

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > gained

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in

> > nature

> > > > and

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > geared

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > success

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this

> > background,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > promote

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma

house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason,

we

> > see

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > key

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful

in

> > the

> > > > > > world,

> > > > > > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As

> > such,

> > > we

> > > > > > > > recognize

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > deductions !!

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> > > > your

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> > > > > > > > mail

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> telling

> > > us

> > > > > that

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to

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the

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> > > > > > > > the

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> > Sun,

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> the

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> > > level,

> > > > we

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> cosmic

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> the

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> that

> > > the

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the

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> chart

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> attaining

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> > realized

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> > > concerning

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the

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> however,

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will

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> ceratinly

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forward

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> > > > > Bhagavatam,

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > story

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the

> > > king

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Dvaraka,

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> The

> > > > jewel

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > noted

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basis

> > for

> > > > > those

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > held

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also

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natural

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by

> > his

> > > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > that

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > king

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as

> a

> > > > > > > concession,

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

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> it

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day

> > > Krishna

> > > > > had

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > leave

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in

> > another

> > > > > > > location.

> > > > > > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's

> > > enemies

> > > > > > brewed

> > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > steal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The

conspirators

> > > > > included

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lusted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to

> take

> > > her

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved

in

> > > this

> > > > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eventually,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the

king

> > and

> > > > took

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long

> > story

> > > > > > short,

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > soon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the

main

> > > > > instigator

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the

> jewel

> > > was

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > man's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by

> Krishna's

> > > > uncle.

> > > > > > By

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear

of

> > > > > reprisal

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the

> > city,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > population

> > > > > > > > > > > > > started

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and

> wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping

with

> > > family

> > > > > > > > > tradition,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to

the

> > > city

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > appease

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's

return,

> > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > gatherd

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on

the

> > > jewel

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said

that

> > > those

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > hear

> > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is

> > > > interested,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of

> > this

> > > > > > message

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500,

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> > > > Store

> > > > > N

> > > > > > > > > number

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mails

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

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> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > message

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

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> > > > polls,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > discuss

> > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passions -

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February 12, 2008

Dear Group,

Both are right, Sri Bhaskar Ji in asking valid questions and Sri

John's answers given to Bhaskar Ji's queries.

This is the way a concept is developed.

regards,

Lalit.

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> Bhaskar,

>

> My replies to your questions are as follows:

>

> 1. What is the name of the

> > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

>

> Krishna's uncle is named Akrura. See the Shrimad Bhagavatam, Canto

> 10, part II, chapter 22.

>

> 2. Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

>

> The story in the SB did not mention Jambavaan. Perhaps, you should

> tell us how this is related to the gem.

>

> 3. How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > with these Purananic stories

> > and each and every event in these

> > stories ?

>

> All stories that have a message to the readers, particularly those

> with messages with moral values, can be seen confirmed through

> jyotish principles. In my opinion, the vedic writers intended to

> deliver their messages in several modes of expression, such as

> symbols, numbers, and jyotish principles.

>

> For example, there is the story of the two guards in heaven, Jaya

and

> Vijaya, who prevented the four Kumaras from entering the gates to

> heaven. In my opinion, the writer of this story is telling us of a

> jyotish principle which should be applied in jyotish practice. If

> there is any interest in this matter, we can discuss this story in

> the future.

>

> 4. How would this Jyotish connected to

> > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > predictive astrology ?

>

> All these principles have direct bearing to practicing jyotish. In

> my opinion, jyotish includes the understanding the factors that

lead

> to an event in the future. By presenting the contributing factors,

> the native can have a better understanding of his or her life.

>

> 5. What has been proved after all this ?

>

> There are subtle messages in the vedic stories. We should analyze

> and attempt to understand them in terms of jyotish principles. As

> such, jyotish practitioners will have a deeper understanding of

> jyotish as a science of light.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

> > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > Learning ?

> > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > >

> > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > Pl. explain.

> > >

> > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > >

> > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic

nature

> > of

> > > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of knowledge

> > > through

> > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of the

king

> > is

> > > he

> > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd house.

> > This

> > > is

> > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators were

> > > motivated

> > > > by money or material gains. We should specifically note that

> > the

> > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he is

the

> > 6th

> > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > >

> > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of

knowledge

> > > can

> > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle). We

note

> > > that

> > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house, the

> > field

> > > of

> > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house is

> > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the

> world.

> > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote some

good

> > > since

> > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > >

> > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key to

> making

> > a

> > > > person successful in the world, especially when it conjuncts

> > with

> > > the

> > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to be a

> > Rajah

> > > > Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear John,

> > > > >

> > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > >

> > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > >

> > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is our

> > brains

> > > and

> > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the

spiritual

> > > and

> > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature while being

> > active

> > > in

> > > > > the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies in

> > > reflecting

> > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of enlightenment

that

> > > > provides

> > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain is the

> > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses that

> > > allow

> > > > us

> > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain to

gain

> > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the story

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the second

> > > house

> > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at the

> > temple

> > > of

> > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th house

from

> > > the

> > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th

house

> > is

> > > the

> > > > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It is

the

> > > house

> > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the loss of

> > > > material

> > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who has

> access

> > > to

> > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's

> > > blessings.

> > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are activated

when

> > the

> > > > 12th

> > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > >

> > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned gains

or

> > > > friends

> > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th house.

> > Also,

> > > we

> > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs or

> > religion

> > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th house. We

> > can

> > > go

> > > > > through the progression of argalas to the various houses

and

> > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > >

> > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that transpired

> > > against

> > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles involved

in

> > my

> > > > next

> > > > > posting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > John R.

> > > > >

> > > > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the Jyotish

> > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > To All:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of Syamantaka

> > > jewel

> > > > > that

> > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his

daughter,

> > to

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine

mounds

> > of

> > > > gold

> > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The

general

> > > > > > population also benefited in that the weather became

ideal,

> > > and

> > > > > kept

> > > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and

pestilence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted this

> > jewel

> > > for

> > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the jewel

> > and

> > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to followup

on

> > his

> > > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was gone, a

> > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel from

the

> > > king.

> > > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for the

> king's

> > > > > daughter

> > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle of

> > Krishna

> > > > was

> > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

> > conspirators

> > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back to the

> > city

> > > > and

> > > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy. However,

> > Krishna

> > > > > found

> > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession.

Rather,

> > it

> > > > was

> > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle moved

out

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the jewel

was

> > no

> > > > > > longer in the city, the population started to suffer in

> > terms

> > > of

> > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated with

> > his

> > > > uncle

> > > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's

complaints.

> > > Upon

> > > > the

> > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together and

> > stated

> > > > that

> > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he

stays

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > city.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will gain

> benefits

> > > from

> > > > > its

> > > > > > message.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge for me

to

> > > > analyze

> > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish

principles.

> > > > Please,

> > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John R.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox.

> > > Click

> > > > > here.

> > > > > >

February 12, 2008

Not sure about certain matters,

Not convinced.

will have to check when

I have time on hand.

As far as I remember Akrurji and Lord

Krishna had love for each other,

and the story of Jambavan is commonly known

(Or am I mistaken somewhere ? I am

talking of the big bear whose baby

was playing with this Gem in the

cave).

I am due to leave for the marriage in my

family with 2 days, out of Bombay, hence

no time, otherwise would have

checked all above from the

Bhagavad, and replied.

If any member can confirm this,

it would help the members

who are reading this, and also

me.

rgrds/Bhaskar.

, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Both are right, Sri Bhaskar Ji in asking valid questions and Sri

> John's answers given to Bhaskar Ji's queries.

>

> This is the way a concept is developed.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar,

> >

> > My replies to your questions are as follows:

> >

> > 1. What is the name of the

> > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> >

> > Krishna's uncle is named Akrura. See the Shrimad Bhagavatam,

Canto

> > 10, part II, chapter 22.

> >

> > 2. Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> >

> > The story in the SB did not mention Jambavaan. Perhaps, you

should

> > tell us how this is related to the gem.

> >

> > 3. How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > with these Purananic stories

> > > and each and every event in these

> > > stories ?

> >

> > All stories that have a message to the readers, particularly

those

> > with messages with moral values, can be seen confirmed through

> > jyotish principles. In my opinion, the vedic writers intended to

> > deliver their messages in several modes of expression, such as

> > symbols, numbers, and jyotish principles.

> >

> > For example, there is the story of the two guards in heaven,

Jaya

> and

> > Vijaya, who prevented the four Kumaras from entering the gates

to

> > heaven. In my opinion, the writer of this story is telling us

of a

> > jyotish principle which should be applied in jyotish practice.

If

> > there is any interest in this matter, we can discuss this story

in

> > the future.

> >

> > 4. How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > predictive astrology ?

> >

> > All these principles have direct bearing to practicing jyotish.

In

> > my opinion, jyotish includes the understanding the factors that

> lead

> > to an event in the future. By presenting the contributing

factors,

> > the native can have a better understanding of his or her life.

> >

> > 5. What has been proved after all this ?

> >

> > There are subtle messages in the vedic stories. We should

analyze

> > and attempt to understand them in terms of jyotish principles.

As

> > such, jyotish practitioners will have a deeper understanding of

> > jyotish as a science of light.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > Learning ?

> > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > >

> > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > Pl. explain.

> > > >

> > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > >

> > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the materialistic

> nature

> > > of

> > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal acquisition of

knowledge

> > > > through

> > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the enemy of the

> king

> > > is

> > > > he

> > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or the 2nd

house.

> > > This

> > > > is

> > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the conspirators were

> > > > motivated

> > > > > by money or material gains. We should specifically note

that

> > > the

> > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this category, since he is

> the

> > > 6th

> > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > >

> > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the acquisition of

> knowledge

> > > > can

> > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing his uncle). We

> note

> > > > that

> > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the 5th house,

the

> > > field

> > > > of

> > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from this house is

> > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for success in the

> > world.

> > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will promote some

> good

> > > > since

> > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > >

> > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house lord is key to

> > making

> > > a

> > > > > person successful in the world, especially when it

conjuncts

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the combination to be

a

> > > Rajah

> > > > > Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > John R.

> > > > >

> > > > > , aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka Jewel is our

> > > brains

> > > > and

> > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be maintained at the

> spiritual

> > > > and

> > > > > > material level to gain the support of Nature while being

> > > active

> > > > in

> > > > > > the world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's power lies in

> > > > reflecting

> > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of enlightenment

> that

> > > > > provides

> > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance. Our brain is

the

> > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of the senses

that

> > > > allow

> > > > > us

> > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain our brain to

> gain

> > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we see in the

story

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His jewel is the

second

> > > > house

> > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be maintained at

the

> > > temple

> > > > of

> > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is the 4th house

> from

> > > > the

> > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual chart, the 12th

> house

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of consciousness. It

is

> the

> > > > house

> > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field signifying the loss

of

> > > > > material

> > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts. Anyone who has

> > access

> > > > to

> > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits of Nature's

> > > > blessings.

> > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that are activated

> when

> > > the

> > > > > 12th

> > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for unearned

gains

> or

> > > > > friends

> > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from the 12th

house.

> > > Also,

> > > > we

> > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of our beliefs or

> > > religion

> > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from the 12th house.

We

> > > can

> > > > go

> > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the various houses

> and

> > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy that

transpired

> > > > against

> > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish principles

involved

> in

> > > my

> > > > > next

> > > > > > posting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > John R.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , aavesh t

<aavesh_s@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear the Jyotish

> > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a story of

Syamantaka

> > > > jewel

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along with his

> daughter,

> > > to

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for creating nine

> mounds

> > > of

> > > > > gold

> > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the jewel. The

> general

> > > > > > > population also benefited in that the weather became

> ideal,

> > > > and

> > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > away any natural disasters including plagues and

> pestilence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the king wanted

this

> > > jewel

> > > > for

> > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna gave back the

jewel

> > > and

> > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the city temple.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the city to

followup

> on

> > > his

> > > > > > > relatives in another location. When Krishna was gone,

a

> > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal the jewel

from

> the

> > > > king.

> > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who lusted for the

> > king's

> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna. The uncle of

> > > Krishna

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy. Eventually, the

> > > conspirators

> > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon came back to

the

> > > city

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the conspiracy. However,

> > > Krishna

> > > > > > found

> > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's possession.

> Rather,

> > > it

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time, his uncle moved

> out

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna. Since the

jewel

> was

> > > no

> > > > > > > longer in the city, the population started to suffer

in

> > > terms

> > > > of

> > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna negotiated

with

> > > his

> > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the people's

> complaints.

> > > > Upon

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the people together

and

> > > stated

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by uncle while he

> stays

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story will gain

> > benefits

> > > > from

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a priviledge for

me

> to

> > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of jyotish

> principles.

> > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your

inbox.

> > > > Click

> > > > > > here.

> > > > > > >

February 13, 2008

Ranbir or Whosoever,

It seems ur intention is not good, you are under watch.

regards,

Lalit.

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> Lovely Tommy

>

> Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

>

> I own an astrology group on paper only. The group started with a

lot

> of fanfare but crashed before it could take off, therefore I keep

> haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is like making rounds

> of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no body thinks that I

> am an astrologer although I have read books by Bhasin. People

> consider that unless I read classics I can not be a good

astrologer.

> For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a little

> smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to impress clients

> when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I love this hybrid

> system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

>

> When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out in the groups I

> cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family to feed, make

> two ends meet and so on. But when some one challenges me I claim to

> be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I hope that the

> people will be taken in but they are smart and see through my

> laments and claims.

>

> When I tell people that what a great service I will be doing by

> providing free astrological advice, but people laugh and tell me

> that it will be like free samples in advertising to get clients so

> that I have my next meals. With so many learned astrologers in the

> groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of a chance to

> impress probable customers. With no work in hand and people not

> taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily. Anger and bad

> language makes an astrologer perfect.

>

> Although I think that I am the most learned astrologer around but

no

> body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I am such a

> shameless fellow that I continue with my antics. That is one of the

> reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every thing so that

> people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The I get really

> frustrated.

>

> Some people think that I am a mental case suffering from a lot of

> complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me that I go and

> see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is true.

>

> In case you want more about me, I can come up with some more

> information.

>

> Ranbir

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Lamenting Tommy,

> >

> > Identify yourself before speaking

> > any further.

> > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > qualifications, if any, address,

> > and contact cell numbers.

> >

> > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > any sermons or pass

> > judgements,

> > it would be considered that you

> > are among those,

> > who appear on Signals when the

> > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > clapping both your hands and asking

> > for money.

> > You have already been proved a coward,

> > since within 2 days of opening

> > id you have taken out so much info

> > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > which means you are a old member with

> > a new id, come here in this form,

> > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > would also be considered that you

> > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > but multiples of these.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Demented Kid,

> > >

> > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every body knows

> that

> > > you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl from one

> > group

> > > to another. You keep being shunted out from every where.

> > > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why would you

> not

> > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not stick to

your

> > own

> > > group because no body comes to your group to seek your help.

> Every

> > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to read articles

> > from

> > > learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I know how

> best

> > to

> > > utilise my time. You should bother for your next bread tomorrow.

> > >

> > > Ranbir

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Baby,

> > > >

> > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > like me,

> > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > ur family

> > > > where u were born

> > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > his wife,

> > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > beg me,

> > > > i will pass over

> > > > to you,

> > > > but prove

> > > > that you are capable

> > > > of serving them,

> > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > but servers.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for my

> > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am already a

> > well

> > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients like

> > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranbir

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > > > > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who gets

> > > kicked

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person smater

> or

> > > > more

> > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority

> > complex.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all

defend

> > our

> > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can do

> > this

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations to

> > > support

> > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just remembered

> > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from

other

> > > > > forums.

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live in

> > > > > California,

> > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here to write their

> > > opinion

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with reason

> and

> > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your questions.

> > I'm

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own observations. Other

> > > members

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the

> > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal

> acquisition

> > > of

> > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that the

> > enemy

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house, or

> > the

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the

> > > conspirators

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should

> > > specifically

> > > > > note

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this

category,

> > > since

> > > > > he

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the

> > acquisition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing

his

> > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes the

> 5th

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained from

> this

> > > > house

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for

> > success

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge will

> > > promote

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house

> lord

> > is

> > > > key

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world, especially

> when

> > it

> > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the

> > > combination

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , aavesh t

> > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the Syamantaka

> > > Jewel

> > > > is

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be

maintained

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of

Nature

> > > while

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the brain's

> > power

> > > > > lies

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator of

> > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of ignorance.

> Our

> > > > brain

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism of

> > the

> > > > > senses

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to maintain

> our

> > > > brain

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus, we

> see

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His

> jewel

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be

> > > maintained

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple is

> the

> > > 4th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual

> chart,

> > > the

> > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of

> > > > consciousness.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field

> > signifying

> > > > the

> > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts.

> > Anyone

> > > > who

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the benefits

> of

> > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas that

> are

> > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential for

> > > > unearned

> > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala from

> the

> > > 12th

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of

our

> > > > beliefs

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from

the

> > > 12th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to the

> > > various

> > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the conspiracy

> > that

> > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish

> > principles

> > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , aavesh

> t

> > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to hear

> > the

> > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a

> story

> > of

> > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka, along

> with

> > > his

> > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for

> > creating

> > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held the

> > jewel.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the

> > weather

> > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including

> plagues

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the

> king

> > > > wanted

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna

gave

> > > back

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in the

> city

> > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the

> city

> > to

> > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When

> Krishna

> > > was

> > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to steal

> the

> > > > jewel

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who

> > lusted

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from Krishna.

> > The

> > > > > uncle

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy.

> > Eventually,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna soon

> > came

> > > > back

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the

> > conspiracy.

> > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the man's

> > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time,

his

> > > uncle

> > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from Krishna.

> > Since

> > > > the

> > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population

started

> > to

> > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition, Krishna

> > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the

> > people's

> > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the

people

> > > > > together

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by

> uncle

> > > > while

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this story

> > will

> > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a

> > > > priviledge

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms of

> > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of

mails

> > in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss your

> > > > passions -

> > > > >

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > > one

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February 14, 2008

Respected Lalit ji,

Thank you for keeping me under watch. I hope you will keep an eye on

others also.

With respect,

Ranbir

, " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Ranbir or Whosoever,

>

> It seems ur intention is not good, you are under watch.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " ranbir.tokas "

> <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> >

> > Lovely Tommy

> >

> > Since you insist on my identity, here it is:

> >

> > I own an astrology group on paper only. The group started with a

> lot

> > of fanfare but crashed before it could take off, therefore I

keep

> > haunting other groups with a begging bowl. It is like making

rounds

> > of temples hoping to get some alms. To my woe no body thinks

that I

> > am an astrologer although I have read books by Bhasin. People

> > consider that unless I read classics I can not be a good

> astrologer.

> > For me Bhasin is all the classics I know . I have a little

> > smattering of KP system also. It is very handy to impress

clients

> > when I talk about subs and the subs of the subs. I love this

hybrid

> > system although I hate every thing else hybrid.

> >

> > When ever I get an opportunity to pour my heart out in the

groups I

> > cry tears on my pitiable poor condition, the family to feed,

make

> > two ends meet and so on. But when some one challenges me I claim

to

> > be a Crorepati running a business of a few Crores. I hope that

the

> > people will be taken in but they are smart and see through my

> > laments and claims.

> >

> > When I tell people that what a great service I will be doing by

> > providing free astrological advice, but people laugh and tell me

> > that it will be like free samples in advertising to get clients

so

> > that I have my next meals. With so many learned astrologers in

the

> > groups a semi literate like me doesn't have much of a chance to

> > impress probable customers. With no work in hand and people not

> > taking me seriously, I get irritated very easily. Anger and bad

> > language makes an astrologer perfect.

> >

> > Although I think that I am the most learned astrologer around

but

> no

> > body takes me seriously. People laugh at me, but I am such a

> > shameless fellow that I continue with my antics. That is one of

the

> > reasons I keep expressing my views on each and every thing so

that

> > people notice me. Once again no body notices me. The I get

really

> > frustrated.

> >

> > Some people think that I am a mental case suffering from a lot

of

> > complexes. They even go to the extent of advising me that I go

and

> > see a psychiatrist. But I am scared what if it is true.

> >

> > In case you want more about me, I can come up with some more

> > information.

> >

> > Ranbir

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Lamenting Tommy,

> > >

> > > Identify yourself before speaking

> > > any further.

> > > Real Name,sex,age, academic and professional

> > > qualifications, if any, address,

> > > and contact cell numbers.

> > >

> > > If you cannot do above, then do not give

> > > any sermons or pass

> > > judgements,

> > > it would be considered that you

> > > are among those,

> > > who appear on Signals when the

> > > car is waiting at Red Light,

> > > clapping both your hands and asking

> > > for money.

> > > You have already been proved a coward,

> > > since within 2 days of opening

> > > id you have taken out so much info

> > > about Bhaskar, which is not possible,

> > > which means you are a old member with

> > > a new id, come here in this form,

> > > just to provocate Bhaskar.

> > > Identify yourself and then continue..

> > > If You do not identify yourself, it

> > > would also be considered that you

> > > do not have a single lineage or parentage

> > > but multiples of these.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Demented Kid,

> > > >

> > > > What a cheek! A beggar offering his clients. Every body

knows

> > that

> > > > you are a beggar going around with your begging bowl from

one

> > > group

> > > > to another. You keep being shunted out from every where.

> > > > Beggars have no self respect any way. Otherwise why would

you

> > not

> > > > stick to your own group Jyotish Ganga. You can not stick to

> your

> > > own

> > > > group because no body comes to your group to seek your help.

> > Every

> > > > body knows that you are a no good astrolger.

> > > > Do not bother about me. I come to these groups to read

articles

> > > from

> > > > learned people [ I do not count you one of them]. I know how

> > best

> > > to

> > > > utilise my time. You should bother for your next bread

tomorrow.

> > > >

> > > > Ranbir

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Baby,

> > > > >

> > > > > If You would have looked for clients

> > > > > like me,

> > > > > you would have done some service to

> > > > > ur family

> > > > > where u were born

> > > > > instead of wastinh ur time here.,

> > > > > u are really a zealous person having

> > > > > nothing 2 do either with

> > > > > his wife,

> > > > > or his own pastimes.

> > > > > And u need some clients from me,

> > > > > beg me,

> > > > > i will pass over

> > > > > to you,

> > > > > but prove

> > > > > that you are capable

> > > > > of serving them,

> > > > > we just dont need lickers,

> > > > > but servers.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mind your business. You are no good at any thing.

> > > > > > I am a member of this group as much as you are. As for

my

> > > > > > qualification etc, I aint looking for a job. I am

already a

> > > well

> > > > > > paid exucutive. I do not go around looking for clients

like

> > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are some sucked up jealous no good astrologer

> > > > > > > who has made this id, just few days back

> > > > > > > ( 2 days ago) and this is your first post on

> > > > > > > this group. And you started sermons in just 2 days,

> > > > > > > you have realised in just 2 days that Bhaskar has

> > > > > > > been kicked out of Forum.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranbir,

> > > > > > > please give your identiity, real name,

> > > > > > > age, sex, academic

> > > > > > > and professional qualifications,

> > > > > > > and your contributions to astrology columns.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dont bleat. Speak out after disclosing

> > > > > > > your true identiy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We do not need Pravachan masters. We need real men.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If You are a man born of one father

> > > > > > > identify yourself, before giving sermons or advises.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And know this, Nobody kicks Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > its the other way round. So just be cautious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > > > > > > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You write well. Keep it up.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ignore this man Bhaskar. He is a trouble maker who

gets

> > > > kicked

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > of groups quite often. He can not stand a person

smater

> > or

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > learned than him. He suffers from severe inferiority

> > > complex.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is better not to involve with riff raffs like him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranbir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " John "

<jr_esq@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If my mails may have hurt you, then

> > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely sorry for the same.

> > > > > > > > > > I do not mean to stump your leaning

> > > > > > > > > > towards connecting the events mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > with jyotish. You may please carry on, I have

> > > > > > > > > > no right to do the same. It was just making

> > > > > > > > > > me feel whats the use, when this knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > cannot help us in future, so why spend the time

> > > > > > > > > > and waste the efforts, which is why

> > > > > > > > > > I wrote those two mails.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not annoyed by your emails. We should all

> defend

> > > our

> > > > > > > > > observations in this forum. In my opinion, we can

do

> > > this

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > presenting our arguments with solid explanations

to

> > > > support

> > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > point of view.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If You are same Mr.Sunil John of Bombay,

> > > > > > > > > > then again I am extremely sorry, i just

remembered

> > > > > > > > > > you, and it stuck my mind, that this man

> > > > > > > > > > is a religious and a good person, and I know

> > > > > > > > > > him, then why should I interfere, in his

> > > > > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not Sunil John. I have seen his posts from

> other

> > > > > > forums.

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > appears that he lives in India. However, I live

in

> > > > > > California,

> > > > > > > > USA.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Okay., hope this is cleared,

> > > > > > > > > > whether you are the same John or not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will no more come in this thread, for do

> > > > > > > > > > not wish to hurt people

> > > > > > > > > > who are into religious learnings and readings.

> > > > > > > > > > I feel sad by doing so in the aftermath

> > > > > > > > > > and retrospection.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We should encourage the members here to write

their

> > > > opinion

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > jyotish principles. We can discuss them with

reason

> > and

> > > > > > > > observations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I did not take any offense to any of your

questions.

> > > I'm

> > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > as a challenge to defend my own observations.

Other

> > > > members

> > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > take the same attitude in any of their postings.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > Uncle of Krishna, to whom this

> > > > > > > > > > > story is dedicated, as per your message ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also what happened to the story of Jambavaan

> > > > > > > > > > > with regards to this Gem, as mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > > in the Bhagavata Purana ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone connect Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > with these Purananic stories

> > > > > > > > > > > and each and every event in these

> > > > > > > > > > > stories ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > How would this Jyotish connected to

> > > > > > > > > > > such events serve any purpose,for future

> > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What has been proved after all this ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In which Horoscope or Birth Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > is the 9th represented by Lord Krishna ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > And how does the 5th represent Higher

> > > > > > > > > > > > Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then what do the 4th and the 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > represent with regards to Learning ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > How is Draupadi equated to the Lover ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. explain.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " John "

> > > > <jr_esq@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspiracy in the story refers to the

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > human beings which prevent the ideal

> > acquisition

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha, or the 12th house. We note that

the

> > > enemy

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > king

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by the 6th from the 9th house,

or

> > > the

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the field of money or artha. Thus, the

> > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by money or material gains. We should

> > > > specifically

> > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle of Krishna is included in this

> category,

> > > > since

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th house (representing Krishna).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Krishna conceded that the

> > > acquisition

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be gained from the 2nd house (representing

> his

> > > > > > uncle).

> > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the 4th house from the 2nd house becomes

the

> > 5th

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > higher learning. The knowledge gained

from

> > this

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in nature and is geared for

> > > success

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite this background, this knowledge

will

> > > > promote

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a dharma house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For this reason, we see that the 5th house

> > lord

> > > is

> > > > > key

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > person successful in the world, especially

> > when

> > > it

> > > > > > > > conjuncts

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kendra lords. As such, we recognize the

> > > > combination

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > Rajah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

aavesh t

> > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting observations and

deductions !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your next mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Aavesh and All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story is telling us that the

Syamantaka

> > > > Jewel

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > brains

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows us how our brains are to be

> maintained

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > material level to gain the support of

> Nature

> > > > while

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > active

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a jewel, the potential of the

brain's

> > > power

> > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > reflecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the power of the Sun, the significator

of

> > > > > > > enlightenment

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > provides

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > light to dispel the darkness of

ignorance.

> > Our

> > > > > brain

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repository of the soul and the mechanism

of

> > > the

> > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to perceive the world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the spiritual level, we are to

maintain

> > our

> > > > > brain

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of cosmic significance. Thus,

we

> > see

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > story

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > king is signified by the 9th house. His

> > jewel

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 9th or the 10th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna stated that the jewel should be

> > > > maintained

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > temple

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city. Thus, in jyotish, this temple

is

> > the

> > > > 4th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house, or the 12th house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the mundane chart or the individual

> > chart,

> > > > the

> > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > field for attaining higher levels of

> > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifying meditation. It is a field

> > > signifying

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > possessions, including our own thoughts.

> > > Anyone

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > access

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this level of knowledge gains the

benefits

> > of

> > > > > > Nature's

> > > > > > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, this is realized by the argalas

that

> > are

> > > > > > > activated

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house is strengthened.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically, we increase the potential

for

> > > > > unearned

> > > > > > > > gains

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > friends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 11th house acquires argala

from

> > the

> > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > Also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gain insights concerning the practice of

> our

> > > > > beliefs

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the 9th house acquires argala from

> the

> > > > 12th

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > through the progression of argalas to

the

> > > > various

> > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > determine how the benefits are gained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The story, however, tells of the

conspiracy

> > > that

> > > > > > > > transpired

> > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the king. We will discuss the jyotish

> > > principles

> > > > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > next

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

aavesh

> > t

> > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would ceratinly be interesting to

hear

> > > the

> > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation of this story

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John <jr_esq@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Shrimad Bhagavatam, there is a

> > story

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Syamantaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was given by the king of Dvaraka,

along

> > with

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for marriage. The jewel was noted for

> > > creating

> > > > > > nine

> > > > > > > > > mounds

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gold

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on a daily basis for those who held

the

> > > jewel.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population also benefited in that the

> > > weather

> > > > > > became

> > > > > > > > > > ideal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away any natural disasters including

> > plagues

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > pestilence.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna knew by his intuition that the

> > king

> > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself. So, as a concession, Krishna

> gave

> > > > back

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested that it should be kept in

the

> > city

> > > > > > temple.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one day Krishna had to leave the

> > city

> > > to

> > > > > > > > followup

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives in another location. When

> > Krishna

> > > > was

> > > > > > > gone,

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conspiracy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the king's enemies brewed up to

steal

> > the

> > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > king.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conspirators included a person who

> > > lusted

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > king's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and wanted to take her away from

Krishna.

> > > The

> > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also involved in this conspiracy.

> > > Eventually,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > conspirators

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the king and took the jewel

away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make a long story short, Krishna

soon

> > > came

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > city

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > killed the main instigator of the

> > > conspiracy.

> > > > > > > However,

> > > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out that the jewel was not in the

man's

> > > > > > possession.

> > > > > > > > > > Rather,

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept by Krishna's uncle. By this time,

> his

> > > > uncle

> > > > > > > moved

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city for fear of reprisal from

Krishna.

> > > Since

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > jewel

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer in the city, the population

> started

> > > to

> > > > > > suffer

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > terms

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health and wealth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In keeping with family tradition,

Krishna

> > > > > > negotiated

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to return to the city and appease the

> > > people's

> > > > > > > > > complaints.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncle's return, Krishna gatherd the

> people

> > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from now on the jewel will be kept by

> > uncle

> > > > > while

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > stays

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > city.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that those who hear this

story

> > > will

> > > > > > gain

> > > > > > > > > > benefits

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, it would be a

> > > > > priviledge

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning of this message in terms

of

> > > > jyotish

> > > > > > > > > > principles.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of

> mails

> > > in

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > inbox.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Click

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

have

> > been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share files, take polls, and discuss

your

> > > > > passions -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > roof.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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