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That wouldn't surprise me at all with Saturn and Ketu in tenth house.

I recently saw a chart of a woman who had IVF treatment for her son's

conception. I haven't a clue what significations would indicate such a thing as

having your eggs taken way and fertilised then re implanted. However, looking at

her chart I was amazed to see mysterious Ketu in fifth ruled by cancer (this is

in moon chart---the womb) aspected by Saturn conjoint Mars.

Seems that these three significations combine to show some sort of unusual if

not unnatural liaison in an unorthodox or unnatural process designed (Saturn

conjunct Mars) to graft or craft the old onto the new in order to bypass a

stalemate in any 'natural' or 'traditional' system.

best wishes

M

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M. Sharma

Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:06 PM

Re: Obama, Mccain

 

 

Some news that Clinton and Obama might end up as a joint democratic

ticket. Somebody has to accept a slight downgrade to a VP nominee.

Remains to be seen. totally unsure how to analyse this

astrologically. Based on moon signs alone Obama -(Taurus) and Clinton

(Aquarius) -it is 4/10 -neutral. They might just get along without

any great liking to each other, if such a sharing occurs. This is

perhaps a win-win situation for both and the democratic party.

My 2 cents.

MS

 

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Hi M

> Thanks for the compliment, very encouraging, though I'm sure others

also have some good points to contribute.

> I haven't bother with HRC chart as her birth time is so

controversial though when hubby was having a bad press a local

journalist asked me to look at one set of data and HRC didn't look

likely to be a president at any time, though the chart may have been

wrong one.

> As for Obama he does look Libran asc and behaves like one also,

though clearly his child production significations do need closer

scrutiny.

> I respect McCain's race for the top position. However, Saturn in

this position of tenth in such a sensitive chart also tells of

illness, disability and of death of a prominent man in the year ahead.

> I would also add that bearing in mind my own look at Mars opp

Saturn in 2007, which showed many issues connected to slavery I'm

minded to see ketu in tenth a karmic sign in karmic house, and punya

issues as I referenced with fifth house earlier, manifesting in a

not unusual way. I see the combination of transit mars with Saturn

and ketu in karmic tenth as a direct sign that a karmic return is

about to hit the US. Where did slave labour come from?

> Mars transit in mid year with tenth planets gives a karmic

payout, and I see it as a descendant slave ---Saturn---fighting ---

mars- for leadership, and resetting the karmic wheel ----tenth house,

bringing an historic retribution----Ketu-- to the fore.

> best wishes

> M

> -

> M. Sharma

>

> Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:18 PM

> Obama, Mccain

>

>

> Margaret,

> thanks for posting a very brilliant interpretation of the new

years

> chart. Some points.

> 1. Leo is a male sign - 10th house shows the new president right.

> 2. Obama was born in Honolulu. Most western astrolgers are using

> 1:06pm time, please check the date on web. He is a US citizen by

> birth. this time give libra lagna. But move it 10 minutes to

change

> the navamsa lagna to Gemini (I think). anyway it is DD or C

rating

> time of birth. This Libra lagna does not (my interpretation) two

> daughters to him. Seeing his D9 and Saptamsa I would think he

would

> have one son. Anyway I am not so sure.

> 3. Obama's chart transits (Moon in taurus) are not good at all.

> Jupiter in 8th and Ketu and Sani in 4th hardly helpful. Quite

> possible that his bhukti is strong to overrule weakness in

transit.

> 4. For HRC -transits are better and helpful.

> 5. McCain (born outside US -Panama Canal) but a US citizen by

virtue

> of birth to a US Citizen. It is Saturn-Jupiter. kanya lagna.

Saturn

> is powerful and retro placed in Aq. Jupiter is in Scorpio.

Jupiter is

> deb in D9. His 12th house is fully activated -double transit. He

will

> retire after this election -or seeds of retirement are sown

perhaps.

> 6. During 2000 march he was running Saturn-Venus (Venus in 12th) -

he

> lost to Bush. Now Jupiter bhukti has given him a chance to

redeem.

> But transits are not that helpful.

> MS

>

> , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Manjunath

> > L1 in 8 shows the country is undergoing huge and disturbing

> changes, especially on the military front and with respect to

> boundaries and rules and regulations.

> > Jupiter in 2 shows a wealthy nation but with many debts

accruing

> due to Mars aspect as L6 , though due to Mars being vipreet these

> debts can be overcome eventually. This same aspect between

Jupiter

> and Mars shows clergy and religious doctrine are all vulnerable

and

> prone to attack and dispute, and will be subject to some new

> regulation or contract of agreement to settle the problem, this

same

> interpretation can also be applied to banking and especially loan

> schemes.

> > Nodes across 4/10 shows major transformation to the country as

a

> whole, restlessness and perhaps insecurity, with problems

associated

> with migration and immigration, and these being a major issue for

the

> government to deal with, due to Saturn ruling Rahu in 4, being in

> tenth house.

> >

> > The fifth house shows exactly what is going on at the moment

and

> that is a race for political leadership--Venus and Sun, between

women-

> Moon and a hermaphrodite Mercury:-)

> >

> > The fifth house connection to tenth house due to Sun L10 in

five

> and Jup L5 in ten, shows a leadership in the theatre --drumming

up

> support for election, as well as strong past life punya being

brought

> into play in this process. The would be leaders are having to go

on

> stage and 'strut their stuff' if you like.

> > Saturn in tenth is echoing the same situation due to it being

L3

> which is also connected to drama and performing. Saturn shows

> problems at presidential level due to it being L6 from tenth

house,

> > Foreign connections for the leadership campaign is shown due to

Sun

> being with L12 Venus, also Saturn in ten is aspecting twelfth of

> overseas lands.

> > I don't think McCain can win due to military being in eighth

house--

> Mars, though he is putting up a good fight due to funding and

support

> given to Mars by Jupiter.

> >

> > I think Obama will win this election because the Saturn

conjunct

> Mars conjunction in June this year favours Kenya, and we know

that

> Obama still has his family there, and wasn't he born there as

well?

> > best wishes

> > M

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> > M. Sharma

> >

> > Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:21 AM

> > Hindu New year (Washington DC ) and New

> president

> >

> >

> > Hi Folks

> > Some thoughts on the Hindu new year chart for Washington DC

> (mundane

> > astrology). I have more open questions than answers about this

> chart.

> > April 5, 2008 (22:55:49) washington DC (using Jhora)

> > 1. Lagna is Scorpio (vargotamma)

> > 2. Ju in second

> > 3. Rahu in 4th

> > 4. Fifth house Mo,Su, Me, Ve (Venus exalted, Me debilitated)

> > 5. Mars in eighth house (lagna lord)

> > 6. Ke and Sat® in 10th house

> >

> > Now here some thoughts and questions.

> > 1. Somebody had commented that Ketu in 10th shows a

> unconventional

> > person occupying the throne (the New president). There is

Saturn -

> > somebody who might represent conventional ideas and old??

Mccain

> maybe

> > (also republican)

> > 2. Tenth lord itself is Sun (Male sign Leo) well placed in 5th,

> with

> > Venus (lady)

> > 3. Tenth lord is in Saturn navamsa - commoner in the throne?

> > McCain, Hillary and Obama all are commoners. Though Obama has

> > Jupiter/Sun opposition showing that Rajalakshana in his chart.

> > 4. McCain was born outside USA (Panama Canal) -is he a outside

> > person -Is this represented by Ketu?

> > 5. I remember (not verified) that when Manmohan Singh became

PM -

> > somebody had commented that Ketu in New Delhi's new year chart

> was in

> > 10th house and that it had to a unconventional person (other

> religion)

> > 6. Obama claims he is Christian -his middle name is Hussein. No

> > comment.

> > 7. Dasamsa lagna has Venus and Mars in it (Sagi rising). 10th

> lord

> > Mercury is debilitated. Could this be somebody young (Me

> represents

> > prince)

> > 8. Ket and Saturn -Somebody who is wise, conventional. See

Venus

> in

> > 10th house of Navamsa (lady?)

> >

> > More questions that answers. I welcome your thoughts. Any

errors

> or

> > omissions is mine.

> > Manjunath Sharma

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