Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Dear Shri Tarun SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the non- perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is nothing but ''our distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less Ignorant. Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and antardasha running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this life on top of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a chart based on natal positions alone. We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using our ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change based on the plane of reference. In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to plane of reference as per shasthras. Others more learned may hold different views. Regds Pradeep , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Astrologers, > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every astrologers > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an commercial issue. > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your understandings, > please share it with us. > > Regrds, > > Tarun > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to change the > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided first....what > is spiritualism. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Dear Pradeep ji, wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep active here. What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean from the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is Atma. which does not die even after death. If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on any thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and would not run for money. Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a person. People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any of them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and give him water and let him again throw stones. i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for country and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind of material desires he cannot be spiritual. The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true meaning of Spiritualism. This is my understanding. and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even after having material desires are just making fun of themself. Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to be spiritual. In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a person spiritual. Best Regards, Tarun PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before you write. , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Shri Tarun > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the non- > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is nothing but ''our > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less Ignorant. > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and antardasha > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this life on top > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a chart > based on natal positions alone. > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using our > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change based on the > plane of reference. > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to plane of > reference as per shasthras. > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > Regds > Pradeep > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every astrologers > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an commercial issue. > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your understandings, > > please share it with us. > > > > Regrds, > > > > Tarun > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to change the > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided first....what > > is spiritualism. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Dear Shri Tarun Thank you for your words. Yes what all you have mentioned are the manifestations in a spiritually elevated person.Bhagat Singh became Amar by virtue of his courageous act for the benefit of larger world as compared to own benefit.This is also an elevated level of spirituality.Sacrifice for others.We can see many such beings around us in our daily life,scarifcing time and sharing wealth, for/with less fortunate fellow beings. When some one asked AMMA the question - Do you dislike anyone or something? - The answer was - I like myself and hence i like all.This contains the basic essence of spirituality.The bigger picture. We are common souls.Yes Guru is Satwik and will play his role.He will also behave as per other karakatwas.(Fat and Minister). Saturn's influence is a must for developing vairagya as mentioned clearly in Shastras. Regds Pradeep , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep active > here. > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean from > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is Atma. > which does not die even after death. > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on any > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and would not > run for money. > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a person. > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any of > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and give him > water and let him again throw stones. > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for country > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind of > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true meaning > of Spiritualism. > > This is my understanding. > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even after > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to be > spiritual. > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a person > spiritual. > > Best Regards, > > Tarun > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before you > write. > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the non- > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is nothing > but ''our > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > Ignorant. > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > antardasha > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this life on > top > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a chart > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using our > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change based on > the > > plane of reference. > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to plane > of > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > astrologers > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an commercial > issue. > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > understandings, > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to > change the > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > first....what > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Dear Tarun, While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I would just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. Saturn is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is the karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality without detachment. Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to be physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; but internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to the higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is the prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu all play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to detach himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic conversatinos, or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be done, before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is that there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the concept of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the mind will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A truely spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying away from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does not declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one declares himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not spiritual. That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play so hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, humbleness, calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a spiritually elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or bachelor, or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few best examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, Saint Sri Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta yuga or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated personalities. These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 yrs ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya and some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu related qualities, they all meet such qualifications. There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't show the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may end up being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of knowledge on the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three planets have equal role in making one spiritual. [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets strongly disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it should be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course the appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one to become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary house representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or latent energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant energy] Regards, Satya Sai Kolachina , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep active > here. > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean from > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is Atma. > which does not die even after death. > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on any > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and would not > run for money. > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a person. > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any of > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and give him > water and let him again throw stones. > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for country > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind of > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true meaning > of Spiritualism. > > This is my understanding. > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even after > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to be > spiritual. > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a person > spiritual. > > Best Regards, > > Tarun > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before you > write. > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the non- > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is nothing > but ''our > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > Ignorant. > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > antardasha > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this life on > top > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a chart > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using our > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change based on > the > > plane of reference. > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to plane > of > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > astrologers > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an commercial > issue. > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > understandings, > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to > change the > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > first....what > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Satya bhai, You very rightly said that Guru,Saturn and Ketu are play their part making one spiritual.But there is a slight difference in among them.Ketu's detachment is arised due to frustration,Saturn gives detachment but along with logic and Guru gives pure Gyaan,further Saturn and Moon aspecting,conjuction make one true spiritual. Plz send your opinion. Regards Shashie Shekhar www.freewebs.com/astroremedies Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: Dear Tarun, While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I would just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. Saturn is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is the karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality without detachment. Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to be physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; but internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to the higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is the prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu all play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to detach himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic conversatinos, or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be done, before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is that there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the concept of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the mind will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A truely spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying away from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does not declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one declares himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not spiritual. That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play so hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, humbleness, calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a spiritually elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or bachelor, or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few best examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, Saint Sri Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta yuga or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated personalities. These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 yrs ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya and some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu related qualities, they all meet such qualifications. There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't show the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may end up being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of knowledge on the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three planets have equal role in making one spiritual. [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets strongly disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it should be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course the appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one to become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary house representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or latent energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant energy] Regards, Satya Sai Kolachina , " Tarun " wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep active > here. > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean from > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is Atma. > which does not die even after death. > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on any > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and would not > run for money. > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a person. > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any of > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and give him > water and let him again throw stones. > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for country > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind of > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true meaning > of Spiritualism. > > This is my understanding. > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even after > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to be > spiritual. > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a person > spiritual. > > Best Regards, > > Tarun > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before you > write. > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the non- > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is nothing > but ''our > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > Ignorant. > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > antardasha > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this life on > top > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a chart > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using our > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change based on > the > > plane of reference. > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to plane > of > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Tarun " wrote: > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > astrologers > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an commercial > issue. > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > understandings, > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to > change the > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > first....what > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > --- visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Dear Shashie Shekhar bhai, Though Kethu causes detachment through frustration, still it is the only planet that causes detachment; though Guru imparts gyan, still he doesn't cause detachment; he is very soft in his teachings; while Kethu and Sani are very hard task masters. Unless gold is melted in heat, an ornament cannot be made, unless the diamond is polished under pressure, it doesn't stress. Hence one has to have strong Kethu and Sani to get to spiritual heights. Simple rule - unless one is ready to lose their physical belongigs (which they consider valuable in the materialistic life), they cannot become spiritual. The concept of losing does not arise, unless one develops the detachment within the mind. Sani aspect on Moon will certainly keep the mind under restraint; how this restraint will work in life, will depend a lot on other combinations. It is only Kethu, who causes detachment. Sani is not kaaraka for detachment. He is kaaraka for 6th house matters - hard work, service, binding, obstacles etc. 6th house matters never cause detachment, rather they increase rina anubhandha - means the bond between the people gets strengthened. It is the service, and rina (or debt) that causes bond between people. e.g., If i involve myself in service, I am bound to get the result back due to the karma associated with service, since Sani is karaka for karma, but not nishkama karma. The word nishkama applies to Kethu. It is only kethu in collaboration with Sani that can force one into doing service with detached mind (or nishkama karma). Similarly Guru imparts Gyan (knowledge); but, without the influence of Sani and Kethu, this gyan goes waste. The person may feel overwhelmed with knowledge, but really not leading to anything else other than passing that knowledge through teaching, since that is also a kaarakatwa of Guru. This is why Guru-strong horoscopes tend to channel the native towards teaching. Guru - gives knowledge Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge towards service Kethu - divert the mind towards detachment. In totality, the three together will channel the person towards doing detached service to the humanity with the knowledge given by Guru. On similar lines, see the following combination Sukra - passion Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge towards service Kethu - diverst the mind towards detachment. Thus, Sukra, Sani and Kethu make one to involve in tapasya - in modern days, this can be termed as undettered mind towards attaining a goal. It is very interesting to note that the two planets Sukra (karaka for attachments through passion) and Kethu (karaka for detachment) work in union to give a very positive effect; that is possible only through the restraints imposed by Sani. In this case, Sani works as the task master to merge two planets' karakatwa into one single goal - that is tapasya. Also we should note that Sukra is known for his hard penance done in favor of the demons; hence Sukra is karaka for tapsya. This is what I have learnt from the teachings/writings of great mahatmas. Others more knowledgeable than me, may have a different opinion/experience. Best regards, Satya Sai Kolachina , Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote: > > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Satya bhai, > You very rightly said that Guru,Saturn and Ketu are play their part making one spiritual.But there is a slight difference in among them.Ketu's detachment is arised due to frustration,Saturn gives detachment but along with logic and Guru gives pure Gyaan,further Saturn and Moon aspecting,conjuction make one true spiritual. > Plz send your opinion. > > Regards > Shashie Shekhar > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > Dear Tarun, > > While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I would > just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. Saturn > is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is the > karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality without > detachment. > > Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically > detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the > detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the > world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to be > physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; but > internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to the > higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is the > prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu all > play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to detach > himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic conversatinos, > or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be done, > before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is that > there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the concept > of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the mind > will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A truely > spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying away > from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does not > declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one declares > himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not spiritual. > That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play so > hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, humbleness, > calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a spiritually > elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or bachelor, > or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few best > examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, Saint Sri > Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta yuga > or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated personalities. > These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 yrs > ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya and > some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu related > qualities, they all meet such qualifications. > > There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't show > the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the > life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner > evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only > strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may end up > being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of knowledge on > the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three > planets have equal role in making one spiritual. > > [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets strongly > disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it should > be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course the > appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one to > become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary house > representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or latent > energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant > energy] > > Regards, > Satya Sai Kolachina > > , " Tarun " wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep active > > here. > > > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean from > > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is Atma. > > which does not die even after death. > > > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on any > > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and would > not > > run for money. > > > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a > person. > > > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any of > > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and give > him > > water and let him again throw stones. > > > > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for country > > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind of > > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true > meaning > > of Spiritualism. > > > > This is my understanding. > > > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even > after > > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to be > > spiritual. > > > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a > person > > spiritual. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before you > > write. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the non- > > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is nothing > > but ''our > > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > > Ignorant. > > > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > > antardasha > > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this life > on > > top > > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a > chart > > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using our > > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change based > on > > the > > > plane of reference. > > > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to plane > > of > > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > > astrologers > > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an commercial > > issue. > > > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > > understandings, > > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to > > change the > > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > > first....what > > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 There is a typo error in my message. The following line is to be read as it is corrected here. unless the diamond is polished under pressure, it doesn't shine. Regards, Satya Sai Kolachina , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Shashie Shekhar bhai, > > Though Kethu causes detachment through frustration, still it is the > only planet that causes detachment; though Guru imparts gyan, still > he doesn't cause detachment; he is very soft in his teachings; while > Kethu and Sani are very hard task masters. Unless gold is melted in > heat, an ornament cannot be made, unless the diamond is polished > under pressure, it doesn't stress. Hence one has to have strong > Kethu and Sani to get to spiritual heights. Simple rule - unless one > is ready to lose their physical belongigs (which they consider > valuable in the materialistic life), they cannot become spiritual. > The concept of losing does not arise, unless one develops the > detachment within the mind. > > Sani aspect on Moon will certainly keep the mind under restraint; > how this restraint will work in life, will depend a lot on other > combinations. > > It is only Kethu, who causes detachment. Sani is not kaaraka for > detachment. He is kaaraka for 6th house matters - hard work, > service, binding, obstacles etc. 6th house matters never cause > detachment, rather they increase rina anubhandha - means the bond > between the people gets strengthened. It is the service, and rina > (or debt) that causes bond between people. e.g., If i involve myself > in service, I am bound to get the result back due to the karma > associated with service, since Sani is karaka for karma, but not > nishkama karma. The word nishkama applies to Kethu. It is only kethu > in collaboration with Sani that can force one into doing service > with detached mind (or nishkama karma). Similarly Guru imparts Gyan > (knowledge); but, without the influence of Sani and Kethu, this gyan > goes waste. The person may feel overwhelmed with knowledge, but > really not leading to anything else other than passing that > knowledge through teaching, since that is also a kaarakatwa of Guru. > This is why Guru-strong horoscopes tend to channel the native > towards teaching. > > Guru - gives knowledge > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > towards service > Kethu - divert the mind towards detachment. > > In totality, the three together will channel the person towards > doing detached service to the humanity with the knowledge given by > Guru. > > On similar lines, see the following combination > Sukra - passion > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > towards service > Kethu - diverst the mind towards detachment. > > Thus, Sukra, Sani and Kethu make one to involve in tapasya - in > modern days, this can be termed as undettered mind towards attaining > a goal. It is very interesting to note that the two planets Sukra > (karaka for attachments through passion) and Kethu (karaka for > detachment) work in union to give a very positive effect; that is > possible only through the restraints imposed by Sani. In this case, > Sani works as the task master to merge two planets' karakatwa into > one single goal - that is tapasya. Also we should note that Sukra is > known for his hard penance done in favor of the demons; hence Sukra > is karaka for tapsya. > > This is what I have learnt from the teachings/writings of great > mahatmas. Others more knowledgeable than me, may have a different > opinion/experience. > > Best regards, > Satya Sai Kolachina > > , Shashie Shekhar > <polite_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear Satya bhai, > > You very rightly said that Guru,Saturn and Ketu are play their > part making one spiritual.But there is a slight difference in among > them.Ketu's detachment is arised due to frustration,Saturn gives > detachment but along with logic and Guru gives pure Gyaan,further > Saturn and Moon aspecting,conjuction make one true spiritual. > > Plz send your opinion. > > > > Regards > > Shashie Shekhar > > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > Dear Tarun, > > > > While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I would > > just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. > Saturn > > is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is > the > > karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality without > > detachment. > > > > Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically > > detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the > > detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the > > world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to be > > physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; but > > internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to the > > higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is > the > > prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu all > > play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to detach > > himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic > conversatinos, > > or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be done, > > before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is that > > there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the > concept > > of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the > mind > > will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A truely > > spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying > away > > from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does > not > > declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one declares > > himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not > spiritual. > > That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play so > > hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, humbleness, > > calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a spiritually > > elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or > bachelor, > > or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few best > > examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > > Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, Saint > Sri > > Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta > yuga > > or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated > personalities. > > These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 yrs > > ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya and > > some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu related > > qualities, they all meet such qualifications. > > > > There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't > show > > the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the > > life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner > > evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only > > strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may end > up > > being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of knowledge > on > > the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three > > planets have equal role in making one spiritual. > > > > [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets strongly > > disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it should > > be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course the > > appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one to > > become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary house > > representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or > latent > > energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant > > energy] > > > > Regards, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > , " Tarun " wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > > > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep > active > > > here. > > > > > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean > from > > > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is Atma. > > > which does not die even after death. > > > > > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on > any > > > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and would > > not > > > run for money. > > > > > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a > > person. > > > > > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any of > > > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and give > > him > > > water and let him again throw stones. > > > > > > > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for > country > > > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > > > > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind of > > > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > > > > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true > > meaning > > > of Spiritualism. > > > > > > This is my understanding. > > > > > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even > > after > > > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > > > > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to be > > > spiritual. > > > > > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a > > person > > > spiritual. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before > you > > > write. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the > non- > > > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is nothing > > > but ''our > > > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > > > Ignorant. > > > > > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > > > antardasha > > > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this > life > > on > > > top > > > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a > > chart > > > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using > our > > > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change based > > on > > > the > > > > plane of reference. > > > > > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to > plane > > > of > > > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > > > astrologers > > > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an > commercial > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > > > understandings, > > > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to > > > change the > > > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > > > first....what > > > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, > remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Dear Pradeep ji, Exactly i wanted to convey the same thing that the modern astrology people are misunderstanding the thing Spirituality. it is a divinity which one can posses only with god's grace and not just with such horoscopic combination. if one's any one single planet is in bad condition or which makes him involved in bad deeds.....the person cannot be spiritual. one should have control on all planets to achieve Spiritualism and that only depeends on moon. because where the moon diverts it changes the persons's concentration. Keep Writing. that PS line was not for you. my Apology if you misunderstood it. Actually there are many persons in forum who does not know astrology, just try to jump in matters. Best Regards, Tarun , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Shri Tarun > > Thank you for your words. > Yes what all you have mentioned are the manifestations in a > spiritually elevated person.Bhagat Singh became Amar by virtue of his > courageous act for the benefit of larger world as compared to own > benefit.This is also an elevated level of spirituality.Sacrifice for > others.We can see many such beings around us in our daily > life,scarifcing time and sharing wealth, for/with less fortunate > fellow beings. > > When some one asked AMMA the question - Do you dislike anyone or > something? - The answer was - I like myself and hence i like all.This > contains the basic essence of spirituality.The bigger picture. > > We are common souls.Yes Guru is Satwik and will play his role.He > will also behave as per other karakatwas.(Fat and Minister). > Saturn's influence is a must for developing vairagya as mentioned > clearly in Shastras. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep active > > here. > > > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean from > > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is Atma. > > which does not die even after death. > > > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on any > > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and would > not > > run for money. > > > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a person. > > > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any of > > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and give > him > > water and let him again throw stones. > > > > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for country > > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind of > > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true meaning > > of Spiritualism. > > > > This is my understanding. > > > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even > after > > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to be > > spiritual. > > > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a person > > spiritual. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before you > > write. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the non- > > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is nothing > > but ''our > > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > > Ignorant. > > > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > > antardasha > > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this life > on > > top > > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a > chart > > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using our > > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change based on > > the > > > plane of reference. > > > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to plane > > of > > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > > astrologers > > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an commercial > > issue. > > > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > > understandings, > > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to > > change the > > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > > first....what > > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Dear Satya ji, its really great to recevie your thoughts in this thread. /// I would just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment/// Defiantely Sir ketu is one of the major planet which has major role in making a person detached. /// there is a lot of homework to be done, before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is that there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the concept of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the mind will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. /// This is a absolutely pin point thing. But in all of this regard, we forgot the moon. The conjuction of moon with such planets like Saturn and ketu ( i m not taking jupiter) has the power to liquify the mind and detach it from material world. Jupiter is a planet which ( as per shastras ) gives Knowledge. So detachment which comes with knowledge is not real spiritualism. it is only helpful when the person is detached and than spreads his knowledge which he posses. or for earning that knowledge he is detached. /// A truely spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying away from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does not declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one declares himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not spiritual. /// Actually Satya ji this Spiritualism has become a commercial thing now a days , as people in western countries are running for this thing and they trust indians who deem themself as spiritual ( who are not at all ) So this spiritualism is a money earning module by those who quote themself as spiritual. Hope to hear more from you and other scholars. Best Regards, Tarun , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Tarun, > > While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I would > just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. Saturn > is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is the > karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality without > detachment. > > Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically > detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the > detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the > world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to be > physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; but > internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to the > higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is the > prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu all > play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to detach > himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic conversatinos, > or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be done, > before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is that > there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the concept > of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the mind > will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A truely > spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying away > from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does not > declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one declares > himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not spiritual. > That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play so > hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, humbleness, > calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a spiritually > elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or bachelor, > or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few best > examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, Saint Sri > Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta yuga > or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated personalities. > These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 yrs > ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya and > some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu related > qualities, they all meet such qualifications. > > There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't show > the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the > life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner > evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only > strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may end up > being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of knowledge on > the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three > planets have equal role in making one spiritual. > > [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets strongly > disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it should > be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course the > appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one to > become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary house > representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or latent > energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant > energy] > > Regards, > Satya Sai Kolachina > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep active > > here. > > > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean from > > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is Atma. > > which does not die even after death. > > > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on any > > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and would > not > > run for money. > > > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a > person. > > > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any of > > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and give > him > > water and let him again throw stones. > > > > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for country > > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind of > > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true > meaning > > of Spiritualism. > > > > This is my understanding. > > > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even > after > > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to be > > spiritual. > > > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a > person > > spiritual. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before you > > write. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the non- > > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is nothing > > but ''our > > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > > Ignorant. > > > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > > antardasha > > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this life > on > > top > > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a > chart > > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using our > > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change based > on > > the > > > plane of reference. > > > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to plane > > of > > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > > astrologers > > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an commercial > > issue. > > > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > > understandings, > > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to > > change the > > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > > first....what > > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Dear Satya ji, In reply to this mail. I was also thinking abt the Venus thing as Venus was guru of Asura but he was not attached to worldly pleasures. Venus is passion and control on it, in itself is a part of spiritualism. Detachment also occurs when a person has enjoyed the extermity of worldly pleasures. Samrat Asoka, Gautam Buddha, Jain dharm Tirthankar. All were chakrawati samrats and later in life they felt this is not we got birth. Thanks. Tarun , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Shashie Shekhar bhai, > > Though Kethu causes detachment through frustration, still it is the > only planet that causes detachment; though Guru imparts gyan, still > he doesn't cause detachment; he is very soft in his teachings; while > Kethu and Sani are very hard task masters. Unless gold is melted in > heat, an ornament cannot be made, unless the diamond is polished > under pressure, it doesn't stress. Hence one has to have strong > Kethu and Sani to get to spiritual heights. Simple rule - unless one > is ready to lose their physical belongigs (which they consider > valuable in the materialistic life), they cannot become spiritual. > The concept of losing does not arise, unless one develops the > detachment within the mind. > > Sani aspect on Moon will certainly keep the mind under restraint; > how this restraint will work in life, will depend a lot on other > combinations. > > It is only Kethu, who causes detachment. Sani is not kaaraka for > detachment. He is kaaraka for 6th house matters - hard work, > service, binding, obstacles etc. 6th house matters never cause > detachment, rather they increase rina anubhandha - means the bond > between the people gets strengthened. It is the service, and rina > (or debt) that causes bond between people. e.g., If i involve myself > in service, I am bound to get the result back due to the karma > associated with service, since Sani is karaka for karma, but not > nishkama karma. The word nishkama applies to Kethu. It is only kethu > in collaboration with Sani that can force one into doing service > with detached mind (or nishkama karma). Similarly Guru imparts Gyan > (knowledge); but, without the influence of Sani and Kethu, this gyan > goes waste. The person may feel overwhelmed with knowledge, but > really not leading to anything else other than passing that > knowledge through teaching, since that is also a kaarakatwa of Guru. > This is why Guru-strong horoscopes tend to channel the native > towards teaching. > > Guru - gives knowledge > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > towards service > Kethu - divert the mind towards detachment. > > In totality, the three together will channel the person towards > doing detached service to the humanity with the knowledge given by > Guru. > > On similar lines, see the following combination > Sukra - passion > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > towards service > Kethu - diverst the mind towards detachment. > > Thus, Sukra, Sani and Kethu make one to involve in tapasya - in > modern days, this can be termed as undettered mind towards attaining > a goal. It is very interesting to note that the two planets Sukra > (karaka for attachments through passion) and Kethu (karaka for > detachment) work in union to give a very positive effect; that is > possible only through the restraints imposed by Sani. In this case, > Sani works as the task master to merge two planets' karakatwa into > one single goal - that is tapasya. Also we should note that Sukra is > known for his hard penance done in favor of the demons; hence Sukra > is karaka for tapsya. > > This is what I have learnt from the teachings/writings of great > mahatmas. Others more knowledgeable than me, may have a different > opinion/experience. > > Best regards, > Satya Sai Kolachina > > , Shashie Shekhar > <polite_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear Satya bhai, > > You very rightly said that Guru,Saturn and Ketu are play their > part making one spiritual.But there is a slight difference in among > them.Ketu's detachment is arised due to frustration,Saturn gives > detachment but along with logic and Guru gives pure Gyaan,further > Saturn and Moon aspecting,conjuction make one true spiritual. > > Plz send your opinion. > > > > Regards > > Shashie Shekhar > > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > Dear Tarun, > > > > While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I would > > just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. > Saturn > > is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is > the > > karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality without > > detachment. > > > > Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically > > detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the > > detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the > > world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to be > > physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; but > > internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to the > > higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is > the > > prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu all > > play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to detach > > himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic > conversatinos, > > or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be done, > > before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is that > > there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the > concept > > of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the > mind > > will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A truely > > spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying > away > > from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does > not > > declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one declares > > himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not > spiritual. > > That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play so > > hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, humbleness, > > calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a spiritually > > elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or > bachelor, > > or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few best > > examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > > Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, Saint > Sri > > Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta > yuga > > or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated > personalities. > > These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 yrs > > ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya and > > some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu related > > qualities, they all meet such qualifications. > > > > There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't > show > > the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the > > life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner > > evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only > > strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may end > up > > being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of knowledge > on > > the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three > > planets have equal role in making one spiritual. > > > > [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets strongly > > disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it should > > be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course the > > appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one to > > become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary house > > representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or > latent > > energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant > > energy] > > > > Regards, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > , " Tarun " wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > > > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep > active > > > here. > > > > > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean > from > > > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is Atma. > > > which does not die even after death. > > > > > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on > any > > > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and would > > not > > > run for money. > > > > > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a > > person. > > > > > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any of > > > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and give > > him > > > water and let him again throw stones. > > > > > > > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for > country > > > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > > > > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind of > > > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > > > > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true > > meaning > > > of Spiritualism. > > > > > > This is my understanding. > > > > > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even > > after > > > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > > > > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to be > > > spiritual. > > > > > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a > > person > > > spiritual. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before > you > > > write. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the > non- > > > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is nothing > > > but ''our > > > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > > > Ignorant. > > > > > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > > > antardasha > > > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this > life > > on > > > top > > > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a > > chart > > > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using > our > > > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change based > > on > > > the > > > > plane of reference. > > > > > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to > plane > > > of > > > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > > > astrologers > > > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an > commercial > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > > > understandings, > > > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to > > > change the > > > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > > > first....what > > > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, > remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of Shri Swaminarayan. The birth data is: 2 April 1781 10:10 pm Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing Hindu (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait doctrine of Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa. Recently, an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in Delhi. The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan was an incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote commentaries on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to empower followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a great social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same time placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya. This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations that indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully placed in its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious morality, while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant forms a strong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly the mystic Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the dharma trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus, exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers. Please do add your thoughts on this chart. Thank you Maniv , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Satya ji, > > In reply to this mail. > > I was also thinking abt the Venus thing as Venus was guru of Asura > but he was not attached to worldly pleasures. > > Venus is passion and control on it, in itself is a part of > spiritualism. > > Detachment also occurs when a person has enjoyed the extermity of > worldly pleasures. > > Samrat Asoka, Gautam Buddha, Jain dharm Tirthankar. All were > chakrawati samrats and later in life they felt this is not we got > birth. > > Thanks. > > Tarun > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shashie Shekhar bhai, > > > > Though Kethu causes detachment through frustration, still it is > the > > only planet that causes detachment; though Guru imparts gyan, > still > > he doesn't cause detachment; he is very soft in his teachings; > while > > Kethu and Sani are very hard task masters. Unless gold is melted > in > > heat, an ornament cannot be made, unless the diamond is polished > > under pressure, it doesn't stress. Hence one has to have strong > > Kethu and Sani to get to spiritual heights. Simple rule - unless > one > > is ready to lose their physical belongigs (which they consider > > valuable in the materialistic life), they cannot become spiritual. > > The concept of losing does not arise, unless one develops the > > detachment within the mind. > > > > Sani aspect on Moon will certainly keep the mind under restraint; > > how this restraint will work in life, will depend a lot on other > > combinations. > > > > It is only Kethu, who causes detachment. Sani is not kaaraka for > > detachment. He is kaaraka for 6th house matters - hard work, > > service, binding, obstacles etc. 6th house matters never cause > > detachment, rather they increase rina anubhandha - means the bond > > between the people gets strengthened. It is the service, and rina > > (or debt) that causes bond between people. e.g., If i involve > myself > > in service, I am bound to get the result back due to the karma > > associated with service, since Sani is karaka for karma, but not > > nishkama karma. The word nishkama applies to Kethu. It is only > kethu > > in collaboration with Sani that can force one into doing service > > with detached mind (or nishkama karma). Similarly Guru imparts > Gyan > > (knowledge); but, without the influence of Sani and Kethu, this > gyan > > goes waste. The person may feel overwhelmed with knowledge, but > > really not leading to anything else other than passing that > > knowledge through teaching, since that is also a kaarakatwa of > Guru. > > This is why Guru-strong horoscopes tend to channel the native > > towards teaching. > > > > Guru - gives knowledge > > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > > towards service > > Kethu - divert the mind towards detachment. > > > > In totality, the three together will channel the person towards > > doing detached service to the humanity with the knowledge given by > > Guru. > > > > On similar lines, see the following combination > > Sukra - passion > > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > > towards service > > Kethu - diverst the mind towards detachment. > > > > Thus, Sukra, Sani and Kethu make one to involve in tapasya - in > > modern days, this can be termed as undettered mind towards > attaining > > a goal. It is very interesting to note that the two planets Sukra > > (karaka for attachments through passion) and Kethu (karaka for > > detachment) work in union to give a very positive effect; that is > > possible only through the restraints imposed by Sani. In this > case, > > Sani works as the task master to merge two planets' karakatwa into > > one single goal - that is tapasya. Also we should note that Sukra > is > > known for his hard penance done in favor of the demons; hence > Sukra > > is karaka for tapsya. > > > > This is what I have learnt from the teachings/writings of great > > mahatmas. Others more knowledgeable than me, may have a different > > opinion/experience. > > > > Best regards, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > , Shashie Shekhar > > <polite_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Dear Satya bhai, > > > You very rightly said that Guru,Saturn and Ketu are play their > > part making one spiritual.But there is a slight difference in > among > > them.Ketu's detachment is arised due to frustration,Saturn gives > > detachment but along with logic and Guru gives pure Gyaan,further > > Saturn and Moon aspecting,conjuction make one true spiritual. > > > Plz send your opinion. > > > > > > Regards > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > > > While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I would > > > just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. > > Saturn > > > is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is > > the > > > karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality > without > > > detachment. > > > > > > Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically > > > detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the > > > detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the > > > world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to > be > > > physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; > but > > > internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to the > > > higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is > > the > > > prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu > all > > > play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to detach > > > himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic > > conversatinos, > > > or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be done, > > > before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is > that > > > there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the > > concept > > > of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the > > mind > > > will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A truely > > > spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying > > away > > > from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does > > not > > > declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one declares > > > himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not > > spiritual. > > > That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play > so > > > hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, humbleness, > > > calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a > spiritually > > > elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or > > bachelor, > > > or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few > best > > > examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > > > Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, Saint > > Sri > > > Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta > > yuga > > > or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated > > personalities. > > > These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 yrs > > > ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya > and > > > some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu > related > > > qualities, they all meet such qualifications. > > > > > > There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't > > show > > > the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the > > > life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner > > > evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only > > > strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may end > > up > > > being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of knowledge > > on > > > the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three > > > planets have equal role in making one spiritual. > > > > > > [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets > strongly > > > disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it > should > > > be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course the > > > appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one > to > > > become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary house > > > representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or > > latent > > > energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant > > > energy] > > > > > > Regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > , " Tarun " wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > > > > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep > > active > > > > here. > > > > > > > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean > > from > > > > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is > Atma. > > > > which does not die even after death. > > > > > > > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on > > any > > > > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and > would > > > not > > > > run for money. > > > > > > > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a > > > person. > > > > > > > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any > of > > > > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and > give > > > him > > > > water and let him again throw stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for > > country > > > > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > > > > > > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind > of > > > > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > > > > > > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true > > > meaning > > > > of Spiritualism. > > > > > > > > This is my understanding. > > > > > > > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even > > > after > > > > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > > > > > > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to > be > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a > > > person > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before > > you > > > > write. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the > > non- > > > > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is > nothing > > > > but ''our > > > > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > > > > Ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > > > > antardasha > > > > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this > > life > > > on > > > > top > > > > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a > > > chart > > > > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > > > > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using > > our > > > > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change > based > > > on > > > > the > > > > > plane of reference. > > > > > > > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to > > plane > > > > of > > > > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > > > > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > > > > astrologers > > > > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an > > commercial > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > > > > understandings, > > > > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to > > > > change the > > > > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > > > > first....what > > > > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, > > remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Dear Maniv: Thank you for posting this chart. It is always interesting to see the charts of holy persons, leaders, etc. My software program does not list Chappaiya, but using your coordinates in Uttar Pradesh, and assuming the birth time is correct or has been rectified, this gives the Scorpio rising sign at 18:55 degrees. If so, Jupiter in the first house brings status, wisdom and divine grace. Saturn in the first house gives maturity, conservative nature, and leadership of the massese. Saturn is weak in old age, so there could have been problems with his teeth, neck, back, legs, etc. Mars, in the second house, gave courageous speech and the power to overcome adversity. However, the aspect of Rahu on Mars, may have given him hidden and manipulative enemies and some disputes on account of what he had to say. The exalted Venus in the fifth house, gives an artistic and knowledgeable mind. Sun in the fifth house, gives royal thinking. Mercury, in the fifth house, is combust and debilitated, which limits the number of older siblings. It can also give some weakness of self-confidence, communication and analytical problem-solving capability. However, its conjunction with the royal Sun is favorable for Scorpio rising sign. The waxing Moon, in its own sign in the ninth house is quite favorable for public favor and spiritual dharma, and nuturing others. However, Moon is weak in infant state, so there may not have been some vulnerability with relationship to mother and his own guru. Mokshakaraka, Ketu, in mokshastan, is quite good for spiritual progress. Rahu, in the sixth house, can indicate hidden and misdiagnosed health issues. How old was he when he passed away, and were there health problems? I think he had respiratory problems and could have had asthma, pnemonia or bronchitis. He was born in Jupiter mahadasha, so this is the root of his chart and life. At the age of two, he went into 19 years of Saturn, indicating maturity. At the age of 21, he went into 17 years of Mercury, which is sitting in the house of education, knowledge of mantras and past life credits. At the age of 38, he went into 7 year of Ketu, which is in the house of Moksha. At the age of 45, he went into 20 years of Venus, which is exalted, in the house of educations, mantras, etc. At the age of 65, he went into six years of Sun, the royal planet, ruling the house of karma and life acitivity, which is well placed in the fifth house. At the age of 71, he went into ten years of Moon, which is well placed in the house of guru and spiritual journeys. However, Moon is weak in infant state, so he could have had problems with the respiratory canal. At the age of 81, if still alive, he went into seven year of Mars, which is under the aspect of Rahu, operating out of the sixth house. This would not be good for his health. Okay.. these are just a few quick points on his chart. I hope they are helpful and in the proper realm. Thank you again, for posting this birth data. Best wishes, David Hawthorne Fairfield, Iowa USA David Hawthorne On Behalf Of maniv_pathak Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:48 AM Re: Spirituality and Measurement Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of Shri Swaminarayan. The birth data is: 2 April 1781 10:10 pm Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing Hindu (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait doctrine of Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa. Recently, an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in Delhi. The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan was an incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote commentaries on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to empower followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a great social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same time placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya. This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations that indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully placed in its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious morality, while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant forms a strong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly the mystic Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the dharma trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus, exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers. Please do add your thoughts on this chart. Thank you Maniv , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Satya ji, > > In reply to this mail. > > I was also thinking abt the Venus thing as Venus was guru of Asura > but he was not attached to worldly pleasures. > > Venus is passion and control on it, in itself is a part of > spiritualism. > > Detachment also occurs when a person has enjoyed the extermity of > worldly pleasures. > > Samrat Asoka, Gautam Buddha, Jain dharm Tirthankar. All were > chakrawati samrats and later in life they felt this is not we got > birth. > > Thanks. > > Tarun > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shashie Shekhar bhai, > > > > Though Kethu causes detachment through frustration, still it is > the > > only planet that causes detachment; though Guru imparts gyan, > still > > he doesn't cause detachment; he is very soft in his teachings; > while > > Kethu and Sani are very hard task masters. Unless gold is melted > in > > heat, an ornament cannot be made, unless the diamond is polished > > under pressure, it doesn't stress. Hence one has to have strong > > Kethu and Sani to get to spiritual heights. Simple rule - unless > one > > is ready to lose their physical belongigs (which they consider > > valuable in the materialistic life), they cannot become spiritual. > > The concept of losing does not arise, unless one develops the > > detachment within the mind. > > > > Sani aspect on Moon will certainly keep the mind under restraint; > > how this restraint will work in life, will depend a lot on other > > combinations. > > > > It is only Kethu, who causes detachment. Sani is not kaaraka for > > detachment. He is kaaraka for 6th house matters - hard work, > > service, binding, obstacles etc. 6th house matters never cause > > detachment, rather they increase rina anubhandha - means the bond > > between the people gets strengthened. It is the service, and rina > > (or debt) that causes bond between people. e.g., If i involve > myself > > in service, I am bound to get the result back due to the karma > > associated with service, since Sani is karaka for karma, but not > > nishkama karma. The word nishkama applies to Kethu. It is only > kethu > > in collaboration with Sani that can force one into doing service > > with detached mind (or nishkama karma). Similarly Guru imparts > Gyan > > (knowledge); but, without the influence of Sani and Kethu, this > gyan > > goes waste. The person may feel overwhelmed with knowledge, but > > really not leading to anything else other than passing that > > knowledge through teaching, since that is also a kaarakatwa of > Guru. > > This is why Guru-strong horoscopes tend to channel the native > > towards teaching. > > > > Guru - gives knowledge > > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > > towards service > > Kethu - divert the mind towards detachment. > > > > In totality, the three together will channel the person towards > > doing detached service to the humanity with the knowledge given by > > Guru. > > > > On similar lines, see the following combination > > Sukra - passion > > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > > towards service > > Kethu - diverst the mind towards detachment. > > > > Thus, Sukra, Sani and Kethu make one to involve in tapasya - in > > modern days, this can be termed as undettered mind towards > attaining > > a goal. It is very interesting to note that the two planets Sukra > > (karaka for attachments through passion) and Kethu (karaka for > > detachment) work in union to give a very positive effect; that is > > possible only through the restraints imposed by Sani. In this > case, > > Sani works as the task master to merge two planets' karakatwa into > > one single goal - that is tapasya. Also we should note that Sukra > is > > known for his hard penance done in favor of the demons; hence > Sukra > > is karaka for tapsya. > > > > This is what I have learnt from the teachings/writings of great > > mahatmas. Others more knowledgeable than me, may have a different > > opinion/experience. > > > > Best regards, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > , Shashie Shekhar > > <polite_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Dear Satya bhai, > > > You very rightly said that Guru,Saturn and Ketu are play their > > part making one spiritual.But there is a slight difference in > among > > them.Ketu's detachment is arised due to frustration,Saturn gives > > detachment but along with logic and Guru gives pure Gyaan,further > > Saturn and Moon aspecting,conjuction make one true spiritual. > > > Plz send your opinion. > > > > > > Regards > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > > > While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I would > > > just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. > > Saturn > > > is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is > > the > > > karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality > without > > > detachment. > > > > > > Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically > > > detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the > > > detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the > > > world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to > be > > > physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; > but > > > internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to the > > > higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is > > the > > > prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu > all > > > play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to detach > > > himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic > > conversatinos, > > > or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be done, > > > before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is > that > > > there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the > > concept > > > of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the > > mind > > > will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A truely > > > spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying > > away > > > from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does > > not > > > declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one declares > > > himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not > > spiritual. > > > That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play > so > > > hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, humbleness, > > > calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a > spiritually > > > elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or > > bachelor, > > > or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few > best > > > examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > > > Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, Saint > > Sri > > > Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta > > yuga > > > or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated > > personalities. > > > These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 yrs > > > ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya > and > > > some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu > related > > > qualities, they all meet such qualifications. > > > > > > There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't > > show > > > the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the > > > life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner > > > evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only > > > strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may end > > up > > > being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of knowledge > > on > > > the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three > > > planets have equal role in making one spiritual. > > > > > > [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets > strongly > > > disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it > should > > > be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course the > > > appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one > to > > > become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary house > > > representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or > > latent > > > energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant > > > energy] > > > > > > Regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > , " Tarun " wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > > > > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep > > active > > > > here. > > > > > > > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean > > from > > > > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is > Atma. > > > > which does not die even after death. > > > > > > > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on > > any > > > > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and > would > > > not > > > > run for money. > > > > > > > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a > > > person. > > > > > > > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any > of > > > > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and > give > > > him > > > > water and let him again throw stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for > > country > > > > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > > > > > > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind > of > > > > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > > > > > > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true > > > meaning > > > > of Spiritualism. > > > > > > > > This is my understanding. > > > > > > > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual even > > > after > > > > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > > > > > > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to > be > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a > > > person > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before > > you > > > > write. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the > > non- > > > > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is > nothing > > > > but ''our > > > > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > > > > Ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > > > > antardasha > > > > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this > > life > > > on > > > > top > > > > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge a > > > chart > > > > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > > > > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras using > > our > > > > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change > based > > > on > > > > the > > > > > plane of reference. > > > > > > > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to > > plane > > > > of > > > > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > > > > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > > > > astrologers > > > > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an > > commercial > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > > > > understandings, > > > > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking to > > > > change the > > > > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > > > > first....what > > > > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, > > remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Maniv, Thanks for the birth detail of Shri Swaminarayan. Certainly his was a spiritually evolved soul. However, I do not typically discuss such mahatma's charts in public forums. Regards, Satya Sai Kolachina , " maniv_pathak " <maniv_pathak wrote: > > Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of Shri > Swaminarayan. > > The birth data is: > > 2 April 1781 > 10:10 pm > Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N > > The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing Hindu > (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait doctrine of > Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is > especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa. Recently, > an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in Delhi. > > The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan was an > incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote commentaries > on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to empower > followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a great > social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same time > placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya. > > This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations that > indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully placed in > its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious morality, > while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant forms a > strong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly the mystic > Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and > have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the dharma > trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus, > exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers. > > Please do add your thoughts on this chart. > > Thank you > > Maniv > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satya ji, > > > > In reply to this mail. > > > > I was also thinking abt the Venus thing as Venus was guru of Asura > > but he was not attached to worldly pleasures. > > > > Venus is passion and control on it, in itself is a part of > > spiritualism. > > > > Detachment also occurs when a person has enjoyed the extermity of > > worldly pleasures. > > > > Samrat Asoka, Gautam Buddha, Jain dharm Tirthankar. All were > > chakrawati samrats and later in life they felt this is not we got > > birth. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tarun > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shashie Shekhar bhai, > > > > > > Though Kethu causes detachment through frustration, still it is > > the > > > only planet that causes detachment; though Guru imparts gyan, > > still > > > he doesn't cause detachment; he is very soft in his teachings; > > while > > > Kethu and Sani are very hard task masters. Unless gold is melted > > in > > > heat, an ornament cannot be made, unless the diamond is polished > > > under pressure, it doesn't stress. Hence one has to have strong > > > Kethu and Sani to get to spiritual heights. Simple rule - unless > > one > > > is ready to lose their physical belongigs (which they consider > > > valuable in the materialistic life), they cannot become > spiritual. > > > The concept of losing does not arise, unless one develops the > > > detachment within the mind. > > > > > > Sani aspect on Moon will certainly keep the mind under restraint; > > > how this restraint will work in life, will depend a lot on other > > > combinations. > > > > > > It is only Kethu, who causes detachment. Sani is not kaaraka for > > > detachment. He is kaaraka for 6th house matters - hard work, > > > service, binding, obstacles etc. 6th house matters never cause > > > detachment, rather they increase rina anubhandha - means the bond > > > between the people gets strengthened. It is the service, and rina > > > (or debt) that causes bond between people. e.g., If i involve > > myself > > > in service, I am bound to get the result back due to the karma > > > associated with service, since Sani is karaka for karma, but not > > > nishkama karma. The word nishkama applies to Kethu. It is only > > kethu > > > in collaboration with Sani that can force one into doing service > > > with detached mind (or nishkama karma). Similarly Guru imparts > > Gyan > > > (knowledge); but, without the influence of Sani and Kethu, this > > gyan > > > goes waste. The person may feel overwhelmed with knowledge, but > > > really not leading to anything else other than passing that > > > knowledge through teaching, since that is also a kaarakatwa of > > Guru. > > > This is why Guru-strong horoscopes tend to channel the native > > > towards teaching. > > > > > > Guru - gives knowledge > > > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > > > towards service > > > Kethu - divert the mind towards detachment. > > > > > > In totality, the three together will channel the person towards > > > doing detached service to the humanity with the knowledge given > by > > > Guru. > > > > > > On similar lines, see the following combination > > > Sukra - passion > > > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > > > towards service > > > Kethu - diverst the mind towards detachment. > > > > > > Thus, Sukra, Sani and Kethu make one to involve in tapasya - in > > > modern days, this can be termed as undettered mind towards > > attaining > > > a goal. It is very interesting to note that the two planets Sukra > > > (karaka for attachments through passion) and Kethu (karaka for > > > detachment) work in union to give a very positive effect; that is > > > possible only through the restraints imposed by Sani. In this > > case, > > > Sani works as the task master to merge two planets' karakatwa > into > > > one single goal - that is tapasya. Also we should note that Sukra > > is > > > known for his hard penance done in favor of the demons; hence > > Sukra > > > is karaka for tapsya. > > > > > > This is what I have learnt from the teachings/writings of great > > > mahatmas. Others more knowledgeable than me, may have a different > > > opinion/experience. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar > > > <polite_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > Dear Satya bhai, > > > > You very rightly said that Guru,Saturn and Ketu are play > their > > > part making one spiritual.But there is a slight difference in > > among > > > them.Ketu's detachment is arised due to frustration,Saturn gives > > > detachment but along with logic and Guru gives pure Gyaan,further > > > Saturn and Moon aspecting,conjuction make one true spiritual. > > > > Plz send your opinion. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > > > > > While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I > would > > > > just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. > > > Saturn > > > > is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is > > > the > > > > karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality > > without > > > > detachment. > > > > > > > > Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically > > > > detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the > > > > detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the > > > > world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to > > be > > > > physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; > > but > > > > internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to > the > > > > higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is > > > the > > > > prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu > > all > > > > play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to > detach > > > > himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic > > > conversatinos, > > > > or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be > done, > > > > before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is > > that > > > > there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the > > > concept > > > > of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the > > > mind > > > > will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A > truely > > > > spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying > > > away > > > > from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does > > > not > > > > declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one > declares > > > > himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not > > > spiritual. > > > > That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play > > so > > > > hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, > humbleness, > > > > calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a > > spiritually > > > > elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or > > > bachelor, > > > > or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few > > best > > > > examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > > > > Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, > Saint > > > Sri > > > > Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta > > > yuga > > > > or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated > > > personalities. > > > > These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 > yrs > > > > ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya > > and > > > > some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu > > related > > > > qualities, they all meet such qualifications. > > > > > > > > There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't > > > show > > > > the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the > > > > life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner > > > > evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only > > > > strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may > end > > > up > > > > being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of > knowledge > > > on > > > > the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three > > > > planets have equal role in making one spiritual. > > > > > > > > [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets > > strongly > > > > disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it > > should > > > > be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course > the > > > > appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one > > to > > > > become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary > house > > > > representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or > > > latent > > > > energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant > > > > energy] > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > > > > > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep > > > active > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean > > > from > > > > > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is > > Atma. > > > > > which does not die even after death. > > > > > > > > > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on > > > any > > > > > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and > > would > > > > not > > > > > run for money. > > > > > > > > > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any > > of > > > > > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and > > give > > > > him > > > > > water and let him again throw stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for > > > country > > > > > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > > > > > > > > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind > > of > > > > > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true > > > > meaning > > > > > of Spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > This is my understanding. > > > > > > > > > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual > even > > > > after > > > > > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > > > > > > > > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to > > be > > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a > > > > person > > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before > > > you > > > > > write. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the > > > non- > > > > > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is > > nothing > > > > > but ''our > > > > > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > > > > > Ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > > > > > antardasha > > > > > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this > > > life > > > > on > > > > > top > > > > > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge > a > > > > chart > > > > > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras > using > > > our > > > > > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change > > based > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > plane of reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to > > > plane > > > > > of > > > > > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > > > > > > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an > > > commercial > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > > > > > understandings, > > > > > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking > to > > > > > change the > > > > > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > > > > > first....what > > > > > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, > > > remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 David Thank you for your insights. You have correctly highlighted the health issues, and this may be reflected in his short lifespan of 49 years (Saturn in MKS, 8th lord Mercury debilitated). At the same time this bears testament to what he had achieved in such a limited timeframe. He renounced material life at the age of 11, and spent most of Saturn dasha undertaking penances, and finally, at the age of 21 met his Guru during Saturn-Jupiter. Most of his important work took place during Mercury and Ketu dasha, and he passed away soon after the commencement of Venus dasha. Note that Venus, although exalted, has strong Maraka propensities. His defining attribute was the alluring magnetism experienced by those that met him, and instant conversion into his fellowship, with many experiencing trance-like states. What configuration(s) would you (and other group members) attribute this intensity to? Maniv met his Guru, , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: > > Dear Maniv: > > Thank you for posting this chart. > > It is always interesting to see the charts of holy persons, leaders, etc. > > My software program does not list Chappaiya, but using your coordinates in > Uttar Pradesh, and assuming the birth time is correct or has been rectified, > this gives the Scorpio rising sign at 18:55 degrees. > > If so, Jupiter in the first house brings status, wisdom and divine grace. > > Saturn in the first house gives maturity, conservative nature, and > leadership of the massese. > > Saturn is weak in old age, so there could have been problems with his teeth, > neck, back, legs, etc. > > Mars, in the second house, gave courageous speech and the power to overcome > adversity. > > However, the aspect of Rahu on Mars, may have given him hidden and > manipulative enemies and some disputes on account of what he had to say. > > The exalted Venus in the fifth house, gives an artistic and knowledgeable > mind. > > Sun in the fifth house, gives royal thinking. > > Mercury, in the fifth house, is combust and debilitated, which limits the > number of older siblings. > > It can also give some weakness of self-confidence, communication and > analytical problem-solving capability. > > However, its conjunction with the royal Sun is favorable for Scorpio rising > sign. > > The waxing Moon, in its own sign in the ninth house is quite favorable for > public favor and spiritual dharma, and nuturing others. > > However, Moon is weak in infant state, so there may not have been some > vulnerability with relationship to mother and his own guru. > > Mokshakaraka, Ketu, in mokshastan, is quite good for spiritual progress. > > Rahu, in the sixth house, can indicate hidden and misdiagnosed health > issues. > > How old was he when he passed away, and were there health problems? > > I think he had respiratory problems and could have had asthma, pnemonia or > bronchitis. > > He was born in Jupiter mahadasha, so this is the root of his chart and life. > > At the age of two, he went into 19 years of Saturn, indicating maturity. > > At the age of 21, he went into 17 years of Mercury, which is sitting in the > house of education, knowledge of mantras and past life credits. > > At the age of 38, he went into 7 year of Ketu, which is in the house of > Moksha. > > At the age of 45, he went into 20 years of Venus, which is exalted, in the > house of educations, mantras, etc. > > At the age of 65, he went into six years of Sun, the royal planet, ruling > the house of karma and life acitivity, which is well placed in the fifth > house. > > At the age of 71, he went into ten years of Moon, which is well placed in > the house of guru and spiritual journeys. > > However, Moon is weak in infant state, so he could have had problems with > the respiratory canal. > > At the age of 81, if still alive, he went into seven year of Mars, which is > under the aspect of Rahu, operating out of the sixth house. > > This would not be good for his health. > > Okay.. these are just a few quick points on his chart. > > I hope they are helpful and in the proper realm. > > Thank you again, for posting this birth data. > > Best wishes, > > David Hawthorne > Fairfield, Iowa USA > > > > David Hawthorne > > > On > Behalf Of maniv_pathak > Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:48 AM > > Re: Spirituality and Measurement > > Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of Shri > Swaminarayan. > > The birth data is: > > 2 April 1781 > 10:10 pm > Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N > > The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing Hindu > (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait doctrine of > Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is > especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa. Recently, > an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in Delhi. > > The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan was an > incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote commentaries > on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to empower > followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a great > social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same time > placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya. > > This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations that > indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully placed in > its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious morality, > while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant forms a > strong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly the mystic > Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and > have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the dharma > trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus, > exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers. > > Please do add your thoughts on this chart. > > Thank you > > Maniv > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satya ji, > > > > In reply to this mail. > > > > I was also thinking abt the Venus thing as Venus was guru of Asura > > but he was not attached to worldly pleasures. > > > > Venus is passion and control on it, in itself is a part of > > spiritualism. > > > > Detachment also occurs when a person has enjoyed the extermity of > > worldly pleasures. > > > > Samrat Asoka, Gautam Buddha, Jain dharm Tirthankar. All were > > chakrawati samrats and later in life they felt this is not we got > > birth. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tarun > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shashie Shekhar bhai, > > > > > > Though Kethu causes detachment through frustration, still it is > > the > > > only planet that causes detachment; though Guru imparts gyan, > > still > > > he doesn't cause detachment; he is very soft in his teachings; > > while > > > Kethu and Sani are very hard task masters. Unless gold is melted > > in > > > heat, an ornament cannot be made, unless the diamond is polished > > > under pressure, it doesn't stress. Hence one has to have strong > > > Kethu and Sani to get to spiritual heights. Simple rule - unless > > one > > > is ready to lose their physical belongigs (which they consider > > > valuable in the materialistic life), they cannot become > spiritual. > > > The concept of losing does not arise, unless one develops the > > > detachment within the mind. > > > > > > Sani aspect on Moon will certainly keep the mind under restraint; > > > how this restraint will work in life, will depend a lot on other > > > combinations. > > > > > > It is only Kethu, who causes detachment. Sani is not kaaraka for > > > detachment. He is kaaraka for 6th house matters - hard work, > > > service, binding, obstacles etc. 6th house matters never cause > > > detachment, rather they increase rina anubhandha - means the bond > > > between the people gets strengthened. It is the service, and rina > > > (or debt) that causes bond between people. e.g., If i involve > > myself > > > in service, I am bound to get the result back due to the karma > > > associated with service, since Sani is karaka for karma, but not > > > nishkama karma. The word nishkama applies to Kethu. It is only > > kethu > > > in collaboration with Sani that can force one into doing service > > > with detached mind (or nishkama karma). Similarly Guru imparts > > Gyan > > > (knowledge); but, without the influence of Sani and Kethu, this > > gyan > > > goes waste. The person may feel overwhelmed with knowledge, but > > > really not leading to anything else other than passing that > > > knowledge through teaching, since that is also a kaarakatwa of > > Guru. > > > This is why Guru-strong horoscopes tend to channel the native > > > towards teaching. > > > > > > Guru - gives knowledge > > > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > > > towards service > > > Kethu - divert the mind towards detachment. > > > > > > In totality, the three together will channel the person towards > > > doing detached service to the humanity with the knowledge given > by > > > Guru. > > > > > > On similar lines, see the following combination > > > Sukra - passion > > > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > > > towards service > > > Kethu - diverst the mind towards detachment. > > > > > > Thus, Sukra, Sani and Kethu make one to involve in tapasya - in > > > modern days, this can be termed as undettered mind towards > > attaining > > > a goal. It is very interesting to note that the two planets Sukra > > > (karaka for attachments through passion) and Kethu (karaka for > > > detachment) work in union to give a very positive effect; that is > > > possible only through the restraints imposed by Sani. In this > > case, > > > Sani works as the task master to merge two planets' karakatwa > into > > > one single goal - that is tapasya. Also we should note that Sukra > > is > > > known for his hard penance done in favor of the demons; hence > > Sukra > > > is karaka for tapsya. > > > > > > This is what I have learnt from the teachings/writings of great > > > mahatmas. Others more knowledgeable than me, may have a different > > > opinion/experience. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar > > > <polite_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > Dear Satya bhai, > > > > You very rightly said that Guru,Saturn and Ketu are play > their > > > part making one spiritual.But there is a slight difference in > > among > > > them.Ketu's detachment is arised due to frustration,Saturn gives > > > detachment but along with logic and Guru gives pure Gyaan,further > > > Saturn and Moon aspecting,conjuction make one true spiritual. > > > > Plz send your opinion. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > > > > > While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I > would > > > > just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. > > > Saturn > > > > is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is > > > the > > > > karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality > > without > > > > detachment. > > > > > > > > Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically > > > > detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the > > > > detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the > > > > world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to > > be > > > > physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; > > but > > > > internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to > the > > > > higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is > > > the > > > > prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu > > all > > > > play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to > detach > > > > himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic > > > conversatinos, > > > > or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be > done, > > > > before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is > > that > > > > there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the > > > concept > > > > of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the > > > mind > > > > will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A > truely > > > > spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying > > > away > > > > from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does > > > not > > > > declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one > declares > > > > himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not > > > spiritual. > > > > That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play > > so > > > > hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, > humbleness, > > > > calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a > > spiritually > > > > elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or > > > bachelor, > > > > or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few > > best > > > > examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > > > > Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, > Saint > > > Sri > > > > Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta > > > yuga > > > > or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated > > > personalities. > > > > These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 > yrs > > > > ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya > > and > > > > some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu > > related > > > > qualities, they all meet such qualifications. > > > > > > > > There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't > > > show > > > > the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the > > > > life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner > > > > evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only > > > > strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may > end > > > up > > > > being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of > knowledge > > > on > > > > the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three > > > > planets have equal role in making one spiritual. > > > > > > > > [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets > > strongly > > > > disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it > > should > > > > be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course > the > > > > appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one > > to > > > > become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary > house > > > > representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or > > > latent > > > > energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant > > > > energy] > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > > > > > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep > > > active > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean > > > from > > > > > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is > > Atma. > > > > > which does not die even after death. > > > > > > > > > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on > > > any > > > > > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and > > would > > > > not > > > > > run for money. > > > > > > > > > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any > > of > > > > > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and > > give > > > > him > > > > > water and let him again throw stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for > > > country > > > > > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > > > > > > > > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind > > of > > > > > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true > > > > meaning > > > > > of Spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > This is my understanding. > > > > > > > > > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual > even > > > > after > > > > > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > > > > > > > > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to > > be > > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a > > > > person > > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before > > > you > > > > > write. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the > > > non- > > > > > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is > > nothing > > > > > but ''our > > > > > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > > > > > Ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > > > > > antardasha > > > > > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this > > > life > > > > on > > > > > top > > > > > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge > a > > > > chart > > > > > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras > using > > > our > > > > > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change > > based > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > plane of reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to > > > plane > > > > > of > > > > > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > > > > > > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an > > > commercial > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > > > > > understandings, > > > > > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking > to > > > > > change the > > > > > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > > > > > first....what > > > > > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, > > > remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dear Maniv... Thanks for the reply. I would attribute the magnetism to the rahu influence on mars in the second house of speech and status. Along with the well placed Jupiter in the first house. Jupiter also rules the second house of status and speech. Its placement in the first house brings divine grace. David Hawthorne On Behalf Of maniv_pathak Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:16 PM Re: Spirituality and Measurement David Thank you for your insights. You have correctly highlighted the health issues, and this may be reflected in his short lifespan of 49 years (Saturn in MKS, 8th lord Mercury debilitated). At the same time this bears testament to what he had achieved in such a limited timeframe. He renounced material life at the age of 11, and spent most of Saturn dasha undertaking penances, and finally, at the age of 21 met his Guru during Saturn-Jupiter. Most of his important work took place during Mercury and Ketu dasha, and he passed away soon after the commencement of Venus dasha. Note that Venus, although exalted, has strong Maraka propensities. His defining attribute was the alluring magnetism experienced by those that met him, and instant conversion into his fellowship, with many experiencing trance-like states. What configuration(s) would you (and other group members) attribute this intensity to? Maniv met his Guru, , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: > > Dear Maniv: > > Thank you for posting this chart. > > It is always interesting to see the charts of holy persons, leaders, etc. > > My software program does not list Chappaiya, but using your coordinates in > Uttar Pradesh, and assuming the birth time is correct or has been rectified, > this gives the Scorpio rising sign at 18:55 degrees. > > If so, Jupiter in the first house brings status, wisdom and divine grace. > > Saturn in the first house gives maturity, conservative nature, and > leadership of the massese. > > Saturn is weak in old age, so there could have been problems with his teeth, > neck, back, legs, etc. > > Mars, in the second house, gave courageous speech and the power to overcome > adversity. > > However, the aspect of Rahu on Mars, may have given him hidden and > manipulative enemies and some disputes on account of what he had to say. > > The exalted Venus in the fifth house, gives an artistic and knowledgeable > mind. > > Sun in the fifth house, gives royal thinking. > > Mercury, in the fifth house, is combust and debilitated, which limits the > number of older siblings. > > It can also give some weakness of self-confidence, communication and > analytical problem-solving capability. > > However, its conjunction with the royal Sun is favorable for Scorpio rising > sign. > > The waxing Moon, in its own sign in the ninth house is quite favorable for > public favor and spiritual dharma, and nuturing others. > > However, Moon is weak in infant state, so there may not have been some > vulnerability with relationship to mother and his own guru. > > Mokshakaraka, Ketu, in mokshastan, is quite good for spiritual progress. > > Rahu, in the sixth house, can indicate hidden and misdiagnosed health > issues. > > How old was he when he passed away, and were there health problems? > > I think he had respiratory problems and could have had asthma, pnemonia or > bronchitis. > > He was born in Jupiter mahadasha, so this is the root of his chart and life. > > At the age of two, he went into 19 years of Saturn, indicating maturity. > > At the age of 21, he went into 17 years of Mercury, which is sitting in the > house of education, knowledge of mantras and past life credits. > > At the age of 38, he went into 7 year of Ketu, which is in the house of > Moksha. > > At the age of 45, he went into 20 years of Venus, which is exalted, in the > house of educations, mantras, etc. > > At the age of 65, he went into six years of Sun, the royal planet, ruling > the house of karma and life acitivity, which is well placed in the fifth > house. > > At the age of 71, he went into ten years of Moon, which is well placed in > the house of guru and spiritual journeys. > > However, Moon is weak in infant state, so he could have had problems with > the respiratory canal. > > At the age of 81, if still alive, he went into seven year of Mars, which is > under the aspect of Rahu, operating out of the sixth house. > > This would not be good for his health. > > Okay.. these are just a few quick points on his chart. > > I hope they are helpful and in the proper realm. > > Thank you again, for posting this birth data. > > Best wishes, > > David Hawthorne > Fairfield, Iowa USA > > > > David Hawthorne > > > On > Behalf Of maniv_pathak > Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:48 AM > > Re: Spirituality and Measurement > > Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of Shri > Swaminarayan. > > The birth data is: > > 2 April 1781 > 10:10 pm > Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N > > The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing Hindu > (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait doctrine of > Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is > especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa. Recently, > an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in Delhi. > > The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan was an > incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote commentaries > on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to empower > followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a great > social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same time > placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya. > > This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations that > indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully placed in > its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious morality, > while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant forms a > strong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly the mystic > Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and > have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the dharma > trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus, > exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers. > > Please do add your thoughts on this chart. > > Thank you > > Maniv > > > > > , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satya ji, > > > > In reply to this mail. > > > > I was also thinking abt the Venus thing as Venus was guru of Asura > > but he was not attached to worldly pleasures. > > > > Venus is passion and control on it, in itself is a part of > > spiritualism. > > > > Detachment also occurs when a person has enjoyed the extermity of > > worldly pleasures. > > > > Samrat Asoka, Gautam Buddha, Jain dharm Tirthankar. All were > > chakrawati samrats and later in life they felt this is not we got > > birth. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tarun > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shashie Shekhar bhai, > > > > > > Though Kethu causes detachment through frustration, still it is > > the > > > only planet that causes detachment; though Guru imparts gyan, > > still > > > he doesn't cause detachment; he is very soft in his teachings; > > while > > > Kethu and Sani are very hard task masters. Unless gold is melted > > in > > > heat, an ornament cannot be made, unless the diamond is polished > > > under pressure, it doesn't stress. Hence one has to have strong > > > Kethu and Sani to get to spiritual heights. Simple rule - unless > > one > > > is ready to lose their physical belongigs (which they consider > > > valuable in the materialistic life), they cannot become > spiritual. > > > The concept of losing does not arise, unless one develops the > > > detachment within the mind. > > > > > > Sani aspect on Moon will certainly keep the mind under restraint; > > > how this restraint will work in life, will depend a lot on other > > > combinations. > > > > > > It is only Kethu, who causes detachment. Sani is not kaaraka for > > > detachment. He is kaaraka for 6th house matters - hard work, > > > service, binding, obstacles etc. 6th house matters never cause > > > detachment, rather they increase rina anubhandha - means the bond > > > between the people gets strengthened. It is the service, and rina > > > (or debt) that causes bond between people. e.g., If i involve > > myself > > > in service, I am bound to get the result back due to the karma > > > associated with service, since Sani is karaka for karma, but not > > > nishkama karma. The word nishkama applies to Kethu. It is only > > kethu > > > in collaboration with Sani that can force one into doing service > > > with detached mind (or nishkama karma). Similarly Guru imparts > > Gyan > > > (knowledge); but, without the influence of Sani and Kethu, this > > gyan > > > goes waste. The person may feel overwhelmed with knowledge, but > > > really not leading to anything else other than passing that > > > knowledge through teaching, since that is also a kaarakatwa of > > Guru. > > > This is why Guru-strong horoscopes tend to channel the native > > > towards teaching. > > > > > > Guru - gives knowledge > > > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > > > towards service > > > Kethu - divert the mind towards detachment. > > > > > > In totality, the three together will channel the person towards > > > doing detached service to the humanity with the knowledge given > by > > > Guru. > > > > > > On similar lines, see the following combination > > > Sukra - passion > > > Sani - poses restrictions, obstacles, and channels that knowledge > > > towards service > > > Kethu - diverst the mind towards detachment. > > > > > > Thus, Sukra, Sani and Kethu make one to involve in tapasya - in > > > modern days, this can be termed as undettered mind towards > > attaining > > > a goal. It is very interesting to note that the two planets Sukra > > > (karaka for attachments through passion) and Kethu (karaka for > > > detachment) work in union to give a very positive effect; that is > > > possible only through the restraints imposed by Sani. In this > > case, > > > Sani works as the task master to merge two planets' karakatwa > into > > > one single goal - that is tapasya. Also we should note that Sukra > > is > > > known for his hard penance done in favor of the demons; hence > > Sukra > > > is karaka for tapsya. > > > > > > This is what I have learnt from the teachings/writings of great > > > mahatmas. Others more knowledgeable than me, may have a different > > > opinion/experience. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar > > > <polite_astro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > Dear Satya bhai, > > > > You very rightly said that Guru,Saturn and Ketu are play > their > > > part making one spiritual.But there is a slight difference in > > among > > > them.Ketu's detachment is arised due to frustration,Saturn gives > > > detachment but along with logic and Guru gives pure Gyaan,further > > > Saturn and Moon aspecting,conjuction make one true spiritual. > > > > Plz send your opinion. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > > > > > While I don't want to discuss spirituality in the forum, I > would > > > > just caution not to ignore Kethu, the planet for detachment. > > > Saturn > > > > is a planet that makes one to go through hardship; but Kethu is > > > the > > > > karaka for detachment. There is no meaning of spirituality > > without > > > > detachment. > > > > > > > > Having said that, I don't mean that one has to be physically > > > > detached from everything, to be spiritually. In fact, it is the > > > > detachment of mind from the physical things, that will open the > > > > world of spiritualism in an individual. Thus, one may appear to > > be > > > > physically attached to many things, and leading a family life; > > but > > > > internally he is detached from them and ready to take-off to > the > > > > higher realms when the time triggers. Hence it is Kethu that is > > > the > > > > prime kaaraka for spiritualism. Together, Guru, Sani and Kethu > > all > > > > play their part in making one spiritual. e.g., one has to > detach > > > > himself/herself from undesired arguments or egoistic > > > conversatinos, > > > > or public confrontations; there is a lot of homework to be > done, > > > > before one identifies himself to be spiritual. Bottom line is > > that > > > > there is no meaning of spirituality without implementing the > > > concept > > > > of detachment. This is very hard; but necessary. Otherwise, the > > > mind > > > > will be hovering on all undesired actions and thoughts. A > truely > > > > spiritual individual ENJOYS his being spiritual just by staying > > > away > > > > from all these unwanted and undesired public interactions; does > > > not > > > > declare himself or herself as spiritual; the moment one > declares > > > > himself or herself as spiritual - it means he/she is not > > > spiritual. > > > > That is the baseline. It is only Kethu, only Kethu who can play > > so > > > > hard to mould one in this way. Detachment, humility, > humbleness, > > > > calmness, serenity these are the prime qualities of a > > spiritually > > > > elevated personality. Not whether the person is married or > > > bachelor, > > > > or not whether he is doing tapasya in himalayas or not. A few > > best > > > > examples are Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Bhagawan Sri Ramana > > > > Maharshi, Bhagawan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, Swamy Vivekananda, > Saint > > > Sri > > > > Tyagaraja Swamy, and so on. We don't have to go back to Threta > > > yuga > > > > or dwapara yuga to identify some spiritually elevated > > > personalities. > > > > These are the saints who were amongst us within the past 200 > yrs > > > > ago. Some of them lived family life; some of them did tapasya > > and > > > > some not. But, with regards to detachment and other Kethu > > related > > > > qualities, they all meet such qualifications. > > > > > > > > There is one problem with just 'Guru' only concept - it doesn't > > > show > > > > the real harder side of life. One has to know both sides of the > > > > life, the Guru side and Sani side, in order to get the inner > > > > evolution of the spirit. If you take horoscopes of only > > > > strong 'Guru' and not strong Sani or Kethu, such persons may > end > > > up > > > > being just preachers or teachers (perhaps with lack of > knowledge > > > on > > > > the harder side of life). In my understanding, all these three > > > > planets have equal role in making one spiritual. > > > > > > > > [Note:- There may be horoscopes with these three planets > > strongly > > > > disposed, but the person may not be spiritual. Therefore it > > should > > > > be understood, right houses, signs and planets and of course > the > > > > appropriate dasa at appropriate time, should all influence one > > to > > > > become spiritual. Also consider the 8th house, the primary > house > > > > representing deep insight into the hidden aspects of life or > > > latent > > > > energy of the native, and the sign Vrischika shows the dormant > > > > energy] > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > > > > > > > wonderful thoughts and thanks for sharing them with us. > > > > > its really great to see you back in the forum. Please keep > > > active > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > What i feel about the Spirituality is that, a person is clean > > > from > > > > > the spirit level. Spirit may be as per my understanding is > > Atma. > > > > > which does not die even after death. > > > > > > > > > > If a person is clean from heart and soul he wont get angry on > > > any > > > > > thing. He would not be arrogant. He will help everyone and > > would > > > > not > > > > > run for money. > > > > > > > > > > Sirdhi wale Saai Baba is a very well known example of such a > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > People throw stones at him , he responds with a smile. if any > > of > > > > > them gets tired of throwing stones at him, he go to him and > > give > > > > him > > > > > water and let him again throw stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i may be wrong but people like Bhagat Singh who fought for > > > country > > > > > and got hanged for it can also be counted in it. > > > > > > > > > > Spiritualism comes with Sanyaas Tatva. If person has any kind > > of > > > > > material desires he cannot be spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > The sense and feeling of GIVING and only Giving is the true > > > > meaning > > > > > of Spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > This is my understanding. > > > > > > > > > > and i suppose that people who think themself as spiritual > even > > > > after > > > > > having material desires are just making fun of themself. > > > > > > > > > > Strong Guru in a horoscope is not a gurantee for a person to > > be > > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > In my understanding only Saturn is a planet which can make a > > > > person > > > > > spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > PS : i know some stupid questions will raise, so think before > > > you > > > > > write. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > SPIRITtuality - is all about Spirit.The true essence or the > > > non- > > > > > > perishable ATMA/akshara.The degree of spirituality is > > nothing > > > > > but ''our > > > > > > distance'' from ''our own true-self''.More Spiritual - Less > > > > > Ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically apart from numerous factors - The dasha and > > > > > antardasha > > > > > > running will say how far the Jataka has progressed in this > > > life > > > > on > > > > > top > > > > > > of the past balance accumulated.It will be unwise to judge > a > > > > chart > > > > > > based on natal positions alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can take photos of gross body but cannot of chakras > using > > > our > > > > > > ordinary cameras.Similarly rules set by Mahamunis change > > based > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > plane of reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Ashwamedha,the same ashwa has different meanings w.r to > > > plane > > > > > of > > > > > > reference as per shasthras. > > > > > > > > > > > > Others more learned may hold different views. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Tarun " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reading this world spiritualism in each mail. Every > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > trys to prove himself spiritual and make this as an > > > commercial > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any defination of SPIRITUALISM in your > > > > > understandings, > > > > > > > please share it with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS:- Definately someone will pop up his thoughts asking > to > > > > > change the > > > > > > > topic, but this is a main thing which should be decided > > > > > first....what > > > > > > > is spiritualism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, > > > remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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