Spirituality (PVR ji,,specially for you..)

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Dear Sir,

 

a very good mail from your side.

 

you covered all points,

 

including the Karma which you mentioned as Arjuna and Krishna's

example and Raja Janak

 

Rest sanyas things which you mentioned with examples of Trilinga

Swami, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ,Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda)and

few others.

 

Spiritualism of Rajnikant.

 

But What a real spiritualism is still yet to defined....

 

being a sadhu tatva is spiritualism ?? doing karma is spiritualism ??

giving teachings is spiritualism ? doing Social service is

spiritualism ?? guiding others is spiritualism.?? being honest is

spiritualism ?? or being a warrior and killing because of duties is

spiritualism ?? or taking sanyas is spiritualism ?? or sitting in

temple and worshipping / doing yajna /doing yoga etc...etc...

unlimited things.

 

or not helping people and letting them face the god's decision is

spiritualism.

 

 

as per you ..a self realised person who finally loses ego ( any

planet specific ) is lost that time a person is spiritual ?? but

what does he do finally .....again long list as above. ...

 

you have read Geeta and all other puranas , if you can share few

things from your vast knowledge , it would be great for those who

donot understands the meaning of spiritualism.

 

But do you agree to me that there are many people who has made it as

moeny earning module in western countries..

 

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> > > in my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to

certify any

> > > persons doings as good and spiritual.

>

> Nobody can " certify " anybody. However, those who know some

astrology can give their views on charts that are shared and

discussed publicly. If some people see those views as

a " certificates " , it is their perception.

 

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if you read history of Ashoka ...he killed thousands of people

before taking sanyas. in the war of kalinga.

 

were you able to define him spiritual before ?? that time no one was

able to be sure that Ashoka will take Sanyas.

 

 

Basically acceptance of truth / satya and following it can be

Spiritualism.

 

 

due to lack of time i was not able to reply you earlier.

 

hope to receive reply.

 

Tarun.

 

 

 

 

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

<pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste Sir,

>

> > > i will say if the person is spiritual ...go and do tapasya in

> > > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure world and earning money and

> > > enjoying all world pleasures.

>

> Sitting in pleasure world and earning money is NOT synonymous

to " enjoying all world pleasures " . One may be sitting in pleasure

world, earning money and engaging externally in various activities,

but the mind may be established in peace and bliss.

>

> A realized person is NOT identified by the actions he/she engages

in. Just as an electric fan continues to turn for a few minutes even

after the electricity is turned off, a realized person who is still

in a body continues to engage in actions based on the previous flow.

After King Janaka realized Self, he continued as the king of Mithila

and did all royal duties. After Krishna made Arjuna realize Self,

Arjuna fought a war and killed his gurus, brothers, grandfather etc.

>

> One who has not yet realized Self will distinguish between various

objects of this dual world and view some as good and some as bad.

He/she will try to stay away from so-called bad actions. On the

other hand, a realized person sees all people, objects and actions

of this universe as the same Self and sees no reason to either be

attracted to or repelled from anything. His/her actions and

inactions are thus not based on the principles of attraction and

repulsion. They are based on the previous flow.

>

> Renouncing wife, children, job, money etc is an attempt to find

true mental renunciation. Renouncing external objects can promote

mental renunciation, but not guarantee it. On the other hand, one

can remain in the midst of the material world and all the external

objects and yet have a perfectly stable, peaceful and blissful mind

that is not attracted to or repelled from any of the objects one is

surrounded by. For all you know, a big film star like Rajinikanth,

who makes millions of dollars per movie, surrounded by glamour,

money and adulation, may be more detached at the mental level than

many yogis in Himalayas. It is probably true in the case of

Rajinikanth.

>

> When one stays away from objects that may attract one, it is

relatively easy to overcome attraction temporarily. Whether one can

retain that renunciation when one comes in contact with the objects

again or not is a questionmark. On the other hand, to be in contact

with the objects that may attract one and yet maintain mental

detachment and mental renunciation is tougher. It is the true test.

>

> It is not out of place to mention a small story.

>

> Trilinga Swami lived for about 300 years and did unbelievable

austerities in Kashi. When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa met him in Kashi,

he remarked to his sishyas that Trilinga Swami was Shiva Himself and

a fully realized being. Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was not

with him on that pilgrimage and he made a point to force

Narendranath to go to Kashi later to have a darshan of Trilinga

Swami!

>

> Lahiri Mahashaya was the guru of Yukteshwar Maharaj, who was the

guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda. Lahiri Mahashaya was a householder

and had a high-paying job. Yet he realized Self. Trilnga Swami spoke

little, but he once spoke a few words in Lahiri Mahashaya's praise.

He said, " The state of mind I achieved by renouncing everything,

Lahiri achieved it while being a householder, being in the middle of

everything. I bow to him. "

>

> * * *

>

> > > in my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to

certify any

> > > persons doings as good and spiritual.

>

> Nobody can " certify " anybody. However, those who know some

astrology can give their views on charts that are shared and

discussed publicly. If some people see those views as

a " certificates " , it is their perception.

>

> * * *

>

> Self-realization can be consistently defined. However,

spirituality is tough to define. It will mean different things to

different people.

>

> The goal of all spiritual journeys is to realize Self, at some

time or the other. However, most spiritual journeys of this age do

NOT end in Self-realization.

>

> It is limited ego that binds one to a limited existence like a

body and stops one from realizing the all-pervading true Self. While

a self-realized person's ego is completely killed, it is possible to

make partial progress. There are many people, who overcome ego to

various extents and realize to various degrees that body is

temporary and it is not the true self. One can do so by following

many spiritual paths, like the path of knowledge, the path of

devotion, the path of pranayama, the path of hatha yoga, the path of

work and service etc. One who overcomes ego to some extent, using

any path, is making some spiritual progress. When the ego is

completely subdued, one realizes the true Self. This realization is

the same irrespective of the path followed. However, intermediate

steps look and feel different based on the path.

>

> Enough of my 2 cents for tonight...

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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>

> > > Dear Prashant ji,

> > >

> > > in my view, being a senior astrologer doesnt make one to

certify any

> > > persons doings as good and spiritual.

> > >

> > > There are many factors which one over looks,

> > >

> > > and in true sense ....what is the real spiritualism.

> > >

> > > i will say if the person is spiritual ...go and do tapasya in

> > > Himalay..why sitting in pleasure world and earning money and

> > > enjoying all world pleasures.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Tarun

>

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