Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Dear members As I have already discussed on three ways of functioning of Karma in this and other forums, I am hereby again reproducing it for the sake of reference for both layman and a learned one Among five subtle elements viz., Isvara, Jiva, Prakriti, Kala and Karma, the first four are eternal and last one i.e., Karma is not eternal Karma manifests in three forms as rightly mentioned by Kalyana Verma: " Dasaa prabhedena vichintayeddhrudham Drudetaram cha astakavarga gocharaih Drudhadrudham yogavasena chintayediti " This verse is requoted by Govinda Bhattatiri in his magnum opus " Dasaadhyayi " Meaning of this verse is, Karma in the form of Fate and Freewill will function in three ways: 1. Druddha Karma - Definite Deed or Fixed, stable, strong Action which is assessed through Moola Dasa in particular and Dasas in general. The result of this state is definite which means Fate dominates Freewill and hence the person is bound to undergo the good or bad of it and he cannot exert his free will. This state is similar to Solid matter. 2. Adruddha Karma - Indefinite Deed or Movable, unstable, weak Action which is assessed through transits of planets called Gochara through a technique called Astaka varga. The result of this state is indefinite or weak, implying Freewill dominates over Fate and hence the person can exert his freewill to mold or design his future and this forms basis for electional astrology. This state is similar to a Gaseous matter. 3. Druddhaadrudha Karma - Intermediate Deed or Dual, flexible, medium Action which is assessed through combination of planets called Yogas which, as per Varahamihira's Nabhasa Yogas in particular and other types of Yogas as per Parasara etc in general can be studied. The result of this state is a flexible implying both Freewill and Fate act simultaneously. This state is similar to Liquid matter. All these three states called Rule of Three (ROT) similar to Satyam Shivam Sundaram are beautifully explained by Acharya Sripati in his mathematical model work called Sripati Jatakakarma Paddhati in a section called Ishtha Kastha Phala adhyaya To me, Sripati and his followers are great rationalistic thinkers similar to present day giants like Einstein, Heisenberg, Newton etc Coming to the present claims of PVNR, Had Al Gore been a candidate, I would have predicted with a high level of confidence that he would win. Natal dasas and annual charts show excellent raja yogas. Honestly, I am a bit surprised that Gore is not a candidate Natal dasas i.e., Druddha Karma, annual charts i.e., Gochara show excellent raja yogas i.e., Druddhaadrudha Karma all in favor of a win If so, why there is a new set of three states(in his own words) viz., theoretically, practically and astrologically Are these three words are beautiful and clever way of describing his incompetence or ignorance of Sastra? If so, give him credit for being a PLAYBOY, if not give him credit even, so that atleast from now onwards he accepts the greatness of astrology so that this is not an another public stunt or gimmick Moreover, he can do favor by giving birth details of Al Gore (aka future president of US!!! - hope so) to his students at least if not to his forum aka Vedic-Astrology (a misnomer) Truth transcends only to a True Seeker Jai Jaimini Jai Varahamihira Jairadhe vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > Several people sent me private emails asking me my prediction on US elections 2008. > > Unfortunately, I am not satisfied by any of the charts presented and don't feel confident enough to make a prediction this time. A reliable and accurate chart is not available for any of the three candidates. > > Had Al Gore been a candidate, I would have predicted with a high level of confidence that he would win. Natal dasas and annual charts show excellent raja yogas. Honestly, I am a bit surprised that Gore is not a candidate. > > Even now, I will not be surprised if a bitter deadlock between Hillary and Obama forces the democratic party establishment and superdelegates to do something unthinkable and broker an out-of-the-box solution and Gore is unexpectedly thrown into the ring as a compromise candidate. Though theoretically possible, this has an almost zero chance practically. However, astrologically, this has a decent chance in my view. > > Except for that outlandish take, I have no other prediction at this time, sorry. :-) > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Dear members As I have already discussed on three ways of functioning of Karma in this and other forums, I am hereby again reproducing it for the sake of reference for both layman and a learned one Among five subtle elements viz., Isvara, Jiva, Prakriti, Kala and Karma, the first four are eternal and last one i.e., Karma is not eternal Karma manifests in three forms as rightly mentioned by Kalyana Verma: " Dasaa prabhedena vichintayeddhrudham Drudetaram cha astakavarga gocharaih Drudhadrudham yogavasena chintayediti " This verse is requoted by Govinda Bhattatiri in his magnum opus " Dasaadhyayi " Meaning of this verse is, Karma in the form of Fate and Freewill will function in three ways: 1. Druddha Karma - Definite Deed or Fixed, stable, strong Action which is assessed through Moola Dasa in particular and Dasas in general. The result of this state is definite which means Fate dominates Freewill and hence the person is bound to undergo the good or bad of it and he cannot exert his free will. This state is similar to Solid matter. This is similar to Astronomy or Siddhanta bhaga of Jyotish 2. Adruddha Karma - Indefinite Deed or Movable, unstable, weak Action which is assessed through transits of planets called Gochara through a technique called Astaka varga. The result of this state is indefinite or weak, implying Freewill dominates over Fate and hence the person can exert his freewill to mold or design his future and this forms basis for electional astrology. This state is similar to a Gaseous matter. This is similar to Samhita or Mundane Astrology 3. Druddhaadrudha Karma - Intermediate Deed or Dual, flexible, medium Action which is assessed through combination of planets called Yogas which, as per Varahamihira' s Nabhasa Yogas in particular and other types of Yogas as per Parasara etc in general can be studied. The result of this state is a flexible implying both Freewill and Fate act simultaneously. This state is similar to Liquid matter. This is similar to Jaataka or Hora Astrology All these three states called Rule of Three (ROT) similar to Satyam Shivam Sundaram are beautifully explained by Acharya Sripati in his mathematical model work called Sripati Jatakakarma Paddhati in a section called Ishtha Kastha Phala adhyaya To me, Sripati and his followers are great rationalistic thinkers similar to present day giants like Einstein, Heisenberg, Newton etc Coming to the present claims of PVNR, Had Al Gore been a candidate, I would have predicted with a high level of confidence that he would win. Natal dasas and annual charts show excellent raja yogas. Honestly, I am a bit surprised that Gore is not a candidate Natal dasas i.e., Druddha Karma, annual charts i.e., Gochara show excellent raja yogas i.e., Druddhaadrudha Karma all in favor of a win If so, why there is a new set of three states(in his own words) viz., theoretically, practically and astrologically Are these three words are beautiful and clever way of describing his incompetence or ignorance of Sastra? If so, give him credit for being a PLAYBOY, if not give him credit even, so that atleast from now onwards he accepts the greatness of astrology so that this is not an another public stunt or gimmick and for being a COWBOY(Gopaala) Moreover, he can do favor by giving birth details of Al Gore (aka future president of US!!! - hope so) to his students at least if not to his forum aka Vedic-Astrology (a misnomer) Truth transcends only to a True Seeker Jai Jaimini Jai Varahamihira Jairadhe vedic astrology , " vrajleela " <vrajleela wrote: > > Dear members > > As I have already discussed on three ways of functioning of Karma in > this and other forums, I am hereby again reproducing it for the sake of > reference for both layman and a learned one > > Among five subtle elements viz., Isvara, Jiva, Prakriti, Kala and Karma, > the first four are eternal and last one i.e., Karma is not eternal > > Karma manifests in three forms as rightly mentioned by Kalyana Verma: > > " Dasaa prabhedena vichintayeddhrudham > Drudetaram cha astakavarga gocharaih > Drudhadrudham yogavasena chintayediti " > > This verse is requoted by Govinda Bhattatiri in his magnum opus > " Dasaadhyayi " > > Meaning of this verse is, Karma in the form of Fate and Freewill will > function in three ways: > > 1. Druddha Karma - Definite Deed or Fixed, stable, strong Action > which is assessed through Moola Dasa in particular and Dasas in general. > The result of this state is definite which means Fate dominates Freewill > and hence the person is bound to undergo the good or bad of it and he > cannot exert his free will. This state is similar to Solid matter. > 2. Adruddha Karma - Indefinite Deed or Movable, unstable, weak Action > which is assessed through transits of planets called Gochara through a > technique called Astaka varga. The result of this state is indefinite or > weak, implying Freewill dominates over Fate and hence the person can > exert his freewill to mold or design his future and this forms basis for > electional astrology. This state is similar to a Gaseous matter. > > 3. Druddhaadrudha Karma - Intermediate Deed or Dual, flexible, medium > Action which is assessed through combination of planets called Yogas > which, as per Varahamihira's Nabhasa Yogas in particular and other types > of Yogas as per Parasara etc in general can be studied. The result of > this state is a flexible implying both Freewill and Fate act > simultaneously. This state is similar to Liquid matter. > All these three states called Rule of Three (ROT) similar to Satyam > Shivam Sundaram are beautifully explained by Acharya Sripati in his > mathematical model work called Sripati Jatakakarma Paddhati in a section > called Ishtha Kastha Phala adhyaya > > To me, Sripati and his followers are great rationalistic thinkers > similar to present day giants like Einstein, Heisenberg, Newton etc > > Coming to the present claims of PVNR, > Had Al Gore been a candidate, I would have predicted with a high level > of confidence that he would win. Natal dasas and annual charts show > excellent raja yogas. Honestly, I am a bit surprised that Gore is not a > candidate > > Natal dasas i.e., Druddha Karma, annual charts i.e., Gochara show > excellent raja yogas i.e., Druddhaadrudha Karma all in favor of a win > > If so, why there is a new set of three states(in his own words) viz., > theoretically, practically and astrologically > > Are these three words are beautiful and clever way of describing his > incompetence or ignorance of Sastra? > > If so, give him credit for being a PLAYBOY, if not give him credit even, > so that atleast from now onwards he accepts the greatness of astrology > so that this is not an another public stunt or gimmick > > Moreover, he can do favor by giving birth details of Al Gore (aka future > president of US!!! - hope so) to his students at least if not to his > forum aka Vedic-Astrology (a misnomer) > > Truth transcends only to a True Seeker > > Jai Jaimini > Jai Varahamihira > Jairadhe > vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " pvr@ > wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > Several people sent me private emails asking me my prediction on US > elections 2008. > > > > Unfortunately, I am not satisfied by any of the charts presented and > don't feel confident enough to make a prediction this time. A reliable > and accurate chart is not available for any of the three candidates. > > > > Had Al Gore been a candidate, I would have predicted with a high level > of confidence that he would win. Natal dasas and annual charts show > excellent raja yogas. Honestly, I am a bit surprised that Gore is not a > candidate. > > > > Even now, I will not be surprised if a bitter deadlock between Hillary > and Obama forces the democratic party establishment and superdelegates > to do something unthinkable and broker an out-of-the-box solution and > Gore is unexpectedly thrown into the ring as a compromise candidate. > Though theoretically possible, this has an almost zero chance > practically. However, astrologically, this has a decent chance in my > view. > > > > Except for that outlandish take, I have no other prediction at this > time, sorry. :-) > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Namaste friends, Several people sent me private emails asking me my prediction on US elections 2008. Unfortunately, I am not satisfied by any of the charts presented and don't feel confident enough to make a prediction this time. A reliable and accurate chart is not available for any of the three candidates. Had Al Gore been a candidate, I would have predicted with a high level of confidence that he would win. Natal dasas and annual charts show excellent raja yogas. Honestly, I am a bit surprised that Gore is not a candidate. Even now, I will not be surprised if a bitter deadlock between Hillary and Obama forces the democratic party establishment and superdelegates to do something unthinkable and broker an out-of-the-box solution and Gore is unexpectedly thrown into the ring as a compromise candidate. Though theoretically possible, this has an almost zero chance practically. However, astrologically, this has a decent chance in my view. Except for that outlandish take, I have no other prediction at this time, sorry. :-) Best regards, Narasimha Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Namaste Sir, When I suggested Gore becoming the President in 2008, I definitely did not have any assassinations in mind. Based on the astrodatabank chart of Barack Obama, Libra rises and Mars-Rahu combination is in 11th and not 4th. You obviously use a different time. IMHO, even with Mars-Rahu in 4th, one cannot forecast an assassination without looking at the rest of the chart, dasas and transits. In fact, if Taurus is lagna as you took, then assassination is quite unlikely. Arudha lagna would be in Cancer and 3rd from arudha lagna would be empty and aspected only by Venus (sign aspect). Without a malefic aspect on 3rd from arudha lagna, an assassination is nearly impossible. According to Jaimini, death circumstances are seen from the 3rd from arudha lagna in rasi chart. Most people having violent and/or unnatural deaths have nodes or Mars in or aspecting 3rd from arudha lagna. Quite honestly, I am not convinced by the Obama chart given by astrodatabank. I don't know the correct birthtime, but what they gave does not fit his known past and it is definitely wrong. What is the time you use and what is your source? Regarding Al Gore, several principles that have worked decently for me in the past were suggesting political power for Al Gore in November 2008. The indications were so strong (in my judgment) that I stuck my neck out as early as 2004 and made a combined prediction in the summer of 2004 that Bush would be re-elected in 2004 and Al Gore would be elected in 2008. At that time, we had no idea about who would be the candidates in 2008 and it was too early to predict for 2008. But I felt so comfortable with Gore's natal dasas, transits and annual charts in Nov 2008 to make a prediction. Later, when it turned out that Gore did not even run, I was first surprised. Later I accepted my failure, considered my prediction dead and forgot it. But now, looking at the deadlock in the primaries and the mutual destruction they are causing, I wonder if my old prediction is indeed dead or has a new life in it. We will see. If Gore suddenly becomes the compromise candidate this summer, with perhaps Obama being his running mate, it would make great sense astrologically, to me anyway. I understand that this scenario is *theoretically* possible based on the DNC rules. Anyway, we will see how things unfold. Best regards, Narasimha Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > well if anything what is the remedy for mars rahu conjunction in the fourth > house of barack obama's chart? the fact that mars rahu is conjunct in leo > shows assasination and this is due to karmic debt towards mother. what is > your take on this and how can this be prevented if so? > > sincerely, > > __________ > > Raja Gursahani > (: 559.474.8576 > ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 well if anything what is the remedy for mars rahu conjunction in the fourth house of barack obama's chart? the fact that mars rahu is conjunct in leo shows assasination and this is due to karmic debt towards mother. what is your take on this and how can this be prevented if so? sincerely, __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 It is not wise to apply such generic rules while pronouncing a prediction without looking at the complete horoscope, that too with accurate birth time. For that matter, any aspect of life should not be predicted without complete analysis. For example, For Leo lagna, Mars is yoga karaka; and when Rahu is conjunct with Mars, then Rahu becomes yoga karaka and Mars behaves like an ordinary planet. Even this principle also should not be applied without analyzing the complete horoscope. Satya Sai Kolachina , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > well if anything what is the remedy for mars rahu conjunction in the fourth > house of barack obama's chart? the fact that mars rahu is conjunct in leo > shows assasination and this is due to karmic debt towards mother. what is > your take on this and how can this be prevented if so? > > sincerely, > > __________ > > Raja Gursahani > (: 559.474.8576 > ,: rajagursahani > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Namaste Sir, When I suggested Gore becoming the President in 2008, I definitely did not have any assassinations in mind. Based on the astrodatabank chart of Barack Obama, Libra rises and Mars-Rahu combination is in 11th and not 4th. You obviously use a different time. IMHO, even with Mars-Rahu in 4th, one cannot forecast an assassination without looking at the rest of the chart, dasas and transits. In fact, if Taurus is lagna as you took, then assassination is quite unlikely. Arudha lagna would be in Cancer and 3rd from arudha lagna would be empty and aspected only by Venus (sign aspect). Without a malefic aspect on 3rd from arudha lagna, an assassination is nearly impossible. According to Jaimini, death circumstances are seen from the 3rd from arudha lagna in rasi chart. Most people having violent and/or unnatural deaths have nodes or Mars in or aspecting 3rd from arudha lagna. Quite honestly, I am not convinced by the Obama chart given by astrodatabank. I don't know the correct birthtime, but what they gave does not fit his known past and it is definitely wrong. What is the time you use and what is your source? Regarding Al Gore, several principles that have worked decently for me in the past were suggesting political power for Al Gore in November 2008. The indications were so strong (in my judgment) that I stuck my neck out as early as 2004 and made a combined prediction in the summer of 2004 that Bush would be re-elected in 2004 and Al Gore would be elected in 2008. At that time, we had no idea about who would be the candidates in 2008 and it was too early to predict for 2008. But I felt so comfortable with Gore's natal dasas, transits and annual charts in Nov 2008 to make a prediction. Later, when it turned out that Gore did not even run, I was first surprised. Later I accepted my failure, considered my prediction dead and forgot it. But now, looking at the deadlock in the primaries and the mutual destruction they are causing, I wonder if my old prediction is indeed dead or has a new life in it. We will see. If Gore suddenly becomes the compromise candidate this summer, with perhaps Obama being his running mate, it would make great sense astrologically, to me anyway. I understand that this scenario is *theoretically* possible based on the DNC rules. Anyway, we will see how things unfold. Best regards, Narasimha Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > well if anything what is the remedy for mars rahu conjunction in the fourth > house of barack obama's chart? the fact that mars rahu is conjunct in leo > shows assasination and this is due to karmic debt towards mother. what is > your take on this and how can this be prevented if so? > > sincerely, > > __________ > > Raja Gursahani > (: 559.474.8576 > ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 let me be specific the fourth house from the chandra lagna. that is his moon being in taurus. also there is clear assasination with such a combination. actually talk about it has occurred among various high circles in government here. actually the black community is well aware of this dilemma for him. __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 >Even now, I will not be surprised if a bitter deadlock between Hillary and Obama forces the democratic party establishment and superdelegates to do something unthinkable and broker an out-of-the-box solution and Gore is unexpectedly thrown into the ring as a compromise candidate. Though theoretically possible, this has an almost zero chance practically. However, astrologically, this has a decent chance in my view.< This is not so silly. After Hillary and Barack become battered and bruised after pounding each other almost daily, they decide to take a 2 year holiday in Hawaii before visiting the Greek Islands. Al Gore finds the truth really just too inconvenient, returns to politics and becomes president unopposed. Bill finds this quite perplexing and eventually sees the light , becomes a buddhist monk and goes to Tibet to fight the Chinese. Well back to Astrology------ Obama will be running the Jupiter maha dasa at election time whatever is his ascendant. Looking at the events in his life, Capricorn and Pisces ascendant stand out. He is a high profile figure so debilitated Jupiter is most probably in an angle. Narasimha has ruled out Libra (even though Libra ascendant gives a native an interest in politics) so this leaves Aries, Cancer and Pisces Aries Ascendant has ascendant lord Mars in mrita avasta(weak) so this could be ruled out. Cancer ascendant has some problems so Capricorn is a strong possibility. Debilitated Jupiter is in its best position in the Capricorn ascendant(angular) where it has dig bala and neecha banga raj yoga. Jupiter positioned above the ascendant would gain power. This is just the best place for Jupiter! The dasa periods of planets causing the cancellation of debilitation are usually better than the period of the debilitated planet. Obama is in the dasa period of debilitated Jupiter which could be troublesome. There is a key event in Obama’s life which should be seen in the natal chart. This is the family disruption he experienced at age of 2 yrs. His parents separated and his father moved overseas. Obama was also in a foreign country between ages 6-10. He lived with his maternal grandparents from age 10 to 18. A birth time giving a Libra ascendant does not show this significant event. It is an event which shaped the course of his life. The following points suggest that his ascendant should be Capricorn. 1. A nodal affliction to the 2H(family). Ke in the 2H can also give an interesting speaking style. 2. A weak 4H. Mars Lord of 4H(home and happiness) is in a late degree—Mrityu bhaga and mitra avasta in the 8H. This is a placement for addictions and separation from the place of birth. As a young adult he had to reconcile social perceptions of his multiracial heritage He wrote that he used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years to " push questions of who I was out of my mind " . This combination can also show him researching(Ma in 8H) his ancestral(4H) heritage. 3. Early loss of father. 12L Ju aspects 9L Me. Parents’ separation happened in Mo dasa. Mo is afflicted by Ju natally and by Ra in D4. 4. The 10L(Ve) placement in 6H is favourable for doctors and lawyers. Obama went to law school and worked as an associate attorney and state legislator. 5. The chart should show prowess at sport. Obama has played competitive basketball and he described this as one of the constants of his life before the election campaign. He also has a talent at playing the card game poker. Venus in 6H gives a love of competition. Venus is also lord of 5H of games and sport. Basketball needs manual dexterity. 3L Ju aspects 5H. 6. Capricorn ascendant can show a strongly ambitious nature since Saturn is exalted in 10H of career. Capricorn natives often desire leadership, political power and practice law and business. In view of the debilitated Jupiter, an ascendant of Capricorn with Ju above the ascendant gives Obama the best chance of reaching a high position. I don’t think it is quite good enough to become President but nevertheless he should be around for some time to come. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Please give some classical or modern references, wherein it is mentioned that such a combo will cause clear assassination. Raja Gursahani <rajagursahani wrote: let me be specific the fourth house from the chandra lagna. that is his moon being in taurus. also there is clear assasination with such a combination. actually talk about it has occurred among various high circles in government here. actually the black community is well aware of this dilemma for him. ________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Would be preferable and make interesting reading, to know what would happen with these great personalities mentioned herein, within span of next 15 days. Astrology would do better with future predictions, rather than postmartems, Another point is, that assumptions, and deductions, based on logistics and astro principles, if explained alongwith the future predictions, would make it a worthy read-on. Otherwise Fixing astrology is a childs play for past events and known traits of great World personality and figures. The astrological cross connections made for what has been, if connected and made a full length article as just given, for the future to happen events with these personalities, would suffice please. PC baba. RonDay <ronkar wrote: >Even now, I will not be surprised if a bitter deadlock between Hillary and Obama forces the democratic party establishment and superdelegates to do something unthinkable and broker an out-of-the-box solution and Gore is unexpectedly thrown into the ring as a compromise candidate. Though theoretically possible, this has an almost zero chance practically. However, astrologically, this has a decent chance in my view.< This is not so silly. After Hillary and Barack become battered and bruised after pounding each other almost daily, they decide to take a 2 year holiday in Hawaii before visiting the Greek Islands. Al Gore finds the truth really just too inconvenient, returns to politics and becomes president unopposed. Bill finds this quite perplexing and eventually sees the light , becomes a buddhist monk and goes to Tibet to fight the Chinese. Well back to Astrology------ Obama will be running the Jupiter maha dasa at election time whatever is his ascendant. Looking at the events in his life, Capricorn and Pisces ascendant stand out. He is a high profile figure so debilitated Jupiter is most probably in an angle. Narasimha has ruled out Libra (even though Libra ascendant gives a native an interest in politics) so this leaves Aries, Cancer and Pisces Aries Ascendant has ascendant lord Mars in mrita avasta(weak) so this could be ruled out. Cancer ascendant has some problems so Capricorn is a strong possibility. Debilitated Jupiter is in its best position in the Capricorn ascendant(angular) where it has dig bala and neecha banga raj yoga. Jupiter positioned above the ascendant would gain power. This is just the best place for Jupiter! The dasa periods of planets causing the cancellation of debilitation are usually better than the period of the debilitated planet. Obama is in the dasa period of debilitated Jupiter which could be troublesome. There is a key event in Obama’s life which should be seen in the natal chart. This is the family disruption he experienced at age of 2 yrs. His parents separated and his father moved overseas. Obama was also in a foreign country between ages 6-10. He lived with his maternal grandparents from age 10 to 18. A birth time giving a Libra ascendant does not show this significant event. It is an event which shaped the course of his life. The following points suggest that his ascendant should be Capricorn. 1. A nodal affliction to the 2H(family). Ke in the 2H can also give an interesting speaking style. 2. A weak 4H. Mars Lord of 4H(home and happiness) is in a late degree—Mrityu bhaga and mitra avasta in the 8H. This is a placement for addictions and separation from the place of birth. As a young adult he had to reconcile social perceptions of his multiracial heritage He wrote that he used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years to " push questions of who I was out of my mind " . This combination can also show him researching(Ma in 8H) his ancestral(4H) heritage. 3. Early loss of father. 12L Ju aspects 9L Me. Parents’ separation happened in Mo dasa. Mo is afflicted by Ju natally and by Ra in D4. 4. The 10L(Ve) placement in 6H is favourable for doctors and lawyers. Obama went to law school and worked as an associate attorney and state legislator. 5. The chart should show prowess at sport. Obama has played competitive basketball and he described this as one of the constants of his life before the election campaign. He also has a talent at playing the card game poker. Venus in 6H gives a love of competition. Venus is also lord of 5H of games and sport. Basketball needs manual dexterity. 3L Ju aspects 5H. 6. Capricorn ascendant can show a strongly ambitious nature since Saturn is exalted in 10H of career. Capricorn natives often desire leadership, political power and practice law and business. In view of the debilitated Jupiter, an ascendant of Capricorn with Ju above the ascendant gives Obama the best chance of reaching a high position. I don’t think it is quite good enough to become President but nevertheless he should be around for some time to come. Ron --- visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 dear ron, interesting post. many people believe that libra is correct!!! according to the way he looks etc. of course his ears suggest a strong sagittarian influence as i see many sag rising people with huge ears and he has them. so i am not sure. of course if we take the chandra lagna as the only reliable piece then we can at least come to some inclusions. i am more concerned about the mars and rahu in the 4th house. as i have been told by a peer astrologer that i trust that does confer debts to his mother as placement of rahu and mars and such debt is his death. i actually have to believe this as i have worked with the barack obama campaign and there are quite a few dons in this particular group of mine here that know for sure that there wiil be assasination attempts. from the mars and rahu conjunction it is clear that it will be a shot to his heart region. so why don't we suggest for him to put a flask there like in the movies??? any takers??? __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Dear PC baba. Good comments. Astrology is about making future predictions. Not only future predictions but accurate future predictions. We are not at that stage with Obama yet because the given birth data is suspect. An accurate ascendant would potentially allow some good predictions to be made. I am not too attached to the Capricorn ascendant for Obama but it seems a possibility based on logic. If the correct birth data does not emerge then a consensus opinion on the ascendant would be helpful. Then the correct degree needs to be found and past events checked. There are several well timed events for Obama so he would make an interesting study especially since he could have some prominence in the next few years. Ron Publicty Creators wrote: > Would be preferable and make interesting reading, to know what would happen with these great personalities mentioned herein, within span of next 15 days. > Astrology would do better with future predictions, rather than postmartems, > Another point is, that assumptions, and deductions, based on logistics and astro principles, if explained alongwith the future predictions, would make it > a worthy read-on. Otherwise Fixing astrology is a childs play for past events > and known traits of great World personality and figures. > The astrological cross connections made for what has been, if connected and made a full length article as just given, for the future to happen events with these personalities, would suffice please. > > PC baba. > > > RonDay <ronkar wrote: > >Even now, I will not be surprised if a bitter deadlock between Hillary > and Obama forces the democratic party establishment and superdelegates > to do something unthinkable and broker an out-of-the-box solution and > Gore is unexpectedly thrown into the ring as a compromise candidate. > Though theoretically possible, this has an almost zero chance > practically. However, astrologically, this has a decent chance in my view.< > > > > This is not so silly. > After Hillary and Barack become battered and bruised after pounding each > other almost daily, they decide to take a 2 year holiday in Hawaii > before visiting the Greek Islands. > > Al Gore finds the truth really just too inconvenient, returns to > politics and becomes president unopposed. > > Bill finds this quite perplexing and eventually sees the light , becomes > a buddhist monk and goes to Tibet to fight the Chinese. > > > > Well back to Astrology------ > > > Obama will be running the Jupiter maha dasa at election time whatever is > his ascendant. > Looking at the events in his life, Capricorn and Pisces ascendant stand out. > He is a high profile figure so debilitated Jupiter is most probably in > an angle. Narasimha has ruled out Libra (even though Libra ascendant > gives a native an interest in politics) so this leaves Aries, Cancer and > Pisces > Aries Ascendant has ascendant lord Mars in mrita avasta(weak) so this > could be ruled out. Cancer ascendant has some problems so Capricorn is > a strong possibility. > > Debilitated Jupiter is in its best position in the Capricorn > ascendant(angular) where it has dig bala and neecha banga raj yoga. > Jupiter positioned above the ascendant would gain power. This is just > the best place for Jupiter! > > The dasa periods of planets causing the cancellation of debilitation > are usually better than the period of the debilitated planet. Obama is > in the dasa period of debilitated Jupiter which could be troublesome. > > > > There is a key event in Obama’s life which should be seen in the natal > chart. This is the family disruption he experienced at age of 2 yrs. His > parents separated and his father moved overseas. Obama was also in a > foreign country between ages 6-10. He lived with his maternal > grandparents from age 10 to 18. > A birth time giving a Libra ascendant does not show this significant > event. It is an event which shaped the course of his life. > The following points suggest that his ascendant should be Capricorn. > > 1. A nodal affliction to the 2H(family). Ke in the 2H can also give an > interesting speaking style. > > 2. A weak 4H. Mars Lord of 4H(home and happiness) is in a late > degree—Mrityu bhaga and mitra avasta in the 8H. This is a placement for > addictions and separation from the place of birth. > As a young adult he had to reconcile social perceptions of his > multiracial heritage He wrote that he used alcohol, marijuana, and > cocaine during his teenage years to " push questions of who I was out of > my mind " . > This combination can also show him researching(Ma in 8H) his > ancestral(4H) heritage. > > 3. Early loss of father. 12L Ju aspects 9L Me. Parents’ separation > happened in Mo dasa. Mo is afflicted by Ju natally and by Ra in D4. > > 4. The 10L(Ve) placement in 6H is favourable for doctors and lawyers. > Obama went to law school and worked as an associate attorney and state > legislator. > > 5. The chart should show prowess at sport. Obama has played competitive > basketball and he described this as one of the constants of his life > before the election campaign. He also has a talent at playing the card > game poker. Venus in 6H gives a love of competition. Venus is also lord > of 5H of games and sport. > Basketball needs manual dexterity. 3L Ju aspects 5H. > > 6. Capricorn ascendant can show a strongly ambitious nature since Saturn > is exalted in 10H of career. Capricorn natives often desire leadership, > political power and practice law and business. > > > In view of the debilitated Jupiter, an ascendant of Capricorn with Ju > above the ascendant gives Obama the best chance of reaching a high > position. I don’t think it is quite good enough to become President but > nevertheless he should be around for some time to come. > > > > Ron > > > > --- > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 , RonDay <ronkar wrote: > > Dear PC baba. > > Good comments. Astrology is about making future predictions. Not only > future predictions but accurate future predictions. > We are not at that stage with Obama yet because the given birth data is > suspect. > An accurate ascendant would potentially allow some good predictions to > be made. > I am not too attached to the Capricorn ascendant for Obama but it seems > a possibility based on logic. > > If the correct birth data does not emerge then a consensus opinion on > the ascendant would be helpful. > Then the correct degree needs to be found and past events checked. > There are several well timed events for Obama so he would make an > interesting study especially since he could have some prominence in the > next few years. > > > Ron > The Krishnamurthy Paddhati (KP) system method has been promoted by many of its supporters as being a good method for birth time rectification. Surely Mr. Obama's case is a perfect candidate for testing this method? In addition, tests have been advocated by Mr. Andrew Dutta for checking the " correctness " of a birth time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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