US Presidential Election 2008 Prediction

July 22, 2008

Namaste friends,

I finally got time in the last few weeks to look at the charts of the candidates

for US presidential election 2008. The issue was that both had controversial

birthtimes and I needed to spend some time looking at various events using

multiple techniques and using various birthtimes in the vicinity of the given

birthtimes, in order to convince myself of one birthtime and rectify it further.

As I have a decent level of confidence in the data now, I will venture to make a

prediction. I will give all the detailed astrological analysis that went into

this birthtime picking, birthtime fine-tuning and prediction process. Those who

just want to read the " prediction " can directly go to the end.

* * *

Birthtime of Barack Obama

Several birthtimes were floated for Barack Obama in the past. But, when I tried

to justify the events in his using a small fine-tuning of the birthtime in the

vicinity of the reported birthtime, I was not successful with any time.

Something or the other was amiss.

However, someone sent me the 7:24 birthtime in late June. I found it

satisfactory. It explained all the events I was trying to verify. I will give a

few quick comments using this chart.

Birthdata: 1961 August 4, 7:24 pm (10 hrs west of GMT), Honolulu, Hawaii, USA

(157 deg 51' 30 " W, 21 deg 18' 25 " N).

Capricorn lagna with Saturn and Jupiter gives him pragmatism and also some

optimism and idealism. Saturn in Capricorn lagna with Jupiter is a classical

dhana yoga taught by Parasara and he became rich in Jupiter dasa. Aspect of

Mercury and Sun on lagna and 1st/2nd/3rd lords gives some charm, finesse and

eloquence. Exalted Moon in 5th and Saturn in lagna give mass following. The 10th

lord Venus is in a navamsa of Jupiter and it gave him a teaching profession

first. Saturn aspects 10th in rasi and is the 9th/10th lord in dasamsa and

occupies 5th with Sun and Rahu. This made him a political activist, reformer and

leader.

His father left his mother and his mother raised him alone. In rasi chart, 9th

lord is afflicted by 8th lord. In D-12, lagna lord is debilitated in 12th from

9th lord showing abandonment by father. On the other hand, 4th lord and lagna

lord are in mutual trines and are friends. From the arudha pada of the 9th lord,

Rahu is in 8th with a debilitated planet and Jupiter is the 2nd lord in 3rd.

Rahu-Jupiter antardasa killed father.

The 9th house in chaturvimsamsa (D-24) shows bachelor education. It contains

debilitated Sun and he studied political science. During Rahu-Jupiter antardasa,

he did bachelors degree. Jupiter has argala on Sun. This was also the D-24

Narayana dasa of Taurus, which aspects Sun in Libra.

The 2nd house in D-24 shows next level of education and it is owned by Jupiter.

During the D-24 Narayana dasa of Cp, which contains Jupiter, he went to Harvard

law school. In 1990, he was elected as the first African American president of

Harvard Law Review. This was Venus antardasa. In D-24, Venus is a yogakaraka in

a friendly sign in lagna. He also owns arudha lagna (image and status) and A5

(arudha pada of 5th, tangible recognition of abilities). In the 1989-90 annual

Tithi Pravesha (soli-lunar return) chart, Jupiter's annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa

gave this unique distinction, which proved useful later in his life. In D-24,

Jupiter is the 9th lord in 9th in moolatrikona giving fortune. In D-10, he is

the lagna and 10th lord exalted in 5th.

He got married in Oct 1992 in Rahu-Venus antardasa. Rahu is the 7th lord in

navamsa (D-9). Venus is his dispositor and also the karaka of marriage. In the

D-9 of 1992-93 annual TP chart, Mercury is in 7th and aspects 7th lord in lagna.

From Moon and Venus, he is the 7th lord in 2nd. He aspects UL too. His annual TA

dasa gave marriage.

He had children in Jupiter-Jupiter and Jupiter-Mercury. The two children are

shown by the 5th and 7th lords. The 5th lord Mars is in Aquarius alone showing a

female child and debilitated 7th lord Mercury joins Ketu, again showing a female

child. Both his children are girls. The 5th and 5th lord are aspected by Jupiter

while the 7th lord is Mercury. So the antardasas are Jupiter and Mercury. The

dasa is of Jupiter, who is the significator of children and happens to be the

lagna lord in 9th in D-7.

In 1996, he was elected to Illinois state senate. Though the election was in

1996-97, decision of Alice Palmer to endorse him was in 1995. When she lost the

congress seat to Jesse Jackson, Jr, she wanted her Illionois senate seat back.

When Obama refused, Palmer actually contested against him! Then Obama challeged

the ballot signatures of his opponents and all applications including Palmer's

were rejected. Thus Obama won the democratic primary in March 1996 unopposed.

The victory over the republican candidate later in November 1996 was a mere

formality. The real thing was winning the primary in 1996. In the 1995-96 annual

TP chart, the 4th/9th lord Venus and 5th lord Mercury have a conjunction within

half a degree in the 5th house of power! In D-10, arudha padas of 5th and 10th

houses conjoin in Leo lagna and lord Sun is exalted in 9th, aspected by the 5th

lord Sun. His election was in Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa as per natal Vimsottari.

Jupiter is the 5th lord from arudha lagna and also owns A5.

In 1998, he was re-elected comfortably. In the annual TP chart, 9th and 10th

lords Sun and Mercury are together. In D-10, 5th house has 5th lord Jupiter in

moolatrikona with Mercury who owns A5 and A10. Mercury dasa gave the re-election

victory.

On 2000 March 21, he lost the democratic primary for US congress to incumbent

Bobby Rush. He wanted a jump from being in Illinois senate to US congress, but

failed. This was in Rahu dasa as per annual TA dasa. Rahu afflicts Sun in rasi

chart of annual TP chart, within half a degree. In D-10, Rahu is with Sun in

12th (i.e. marana karaka sthana for Sun). He lost power.

In Jupiter-Mercury antardasa in 2002, he came back to power by going back to

Illinois senate. This time, democrats regained majority after a decade in the

minority. Obama gained an important chairmanship in state senate and built his

legislature portfolio. This was a very important development in his career. In

D-10, Mercury is the 5th lord in 11th from AL and he aspects A5. In rasi, 6th

lord Mercury, 8th lord Sun and 12th lord Jupiter are on 1st-7th axis. Viparita

raja yoga is formed if only dusthana lords join a dusthana without others or if

dusthana lords join in a quadrant with lagna lord. Here the second kind is

formed. Both Jupiter and Mercury take part in it. In the annual TP chart of

2002-03, 9th lord Jupiter and 4th lord Venus give a raja yoga in 11th, in the

7th from AL. A5 (tangible articles reflecting on recognition), A9 (tangible

articles reflecting on fortune) and A3 (tangible articles reflecting on

initiative) are together in lagna, showing a year of fortune, power and

initiative. He used the position to introduce new legislature and build up his

portfolio for future campaigns.

He came to national prominence with a rousing speech at the last DNC in July

2004 and it was in Venus antardasa. Venus is the 5th and 10th lord in rasi

chart. In D-10, he is the lagna lord in AL. Annual TP chart of 2003-04 has 1st,

7th, 9th and 10th lords together in 8th (suddenness) in rasi and also

Gaja-Kesari yoga in in D-10 and the sudden success/fame came in the year.

In Nov 2004 in the same Venus antardasa, he was elected to US senate. In the

annual TP chart of 2004-05, 5th lord Saturn and 9th lord Venus are in 10th. In

D-10, yogakaraka Saturn is in 10th in own house. The 5th lord Mercury occupies

A5 in the 5th house from AL and his annual TA dasa gave the electoral victory.

An acclaimed book by him called " The Audacity of Hope " was published in October

2006 in Jupiter-Venus-Mercury pratyantardasa. Venus is the owner of A3 (a

tangible article reflecting on one's communication skills, e.g. books) and

Mercury is the karaka of writing.

In his annual TP return chart of 2007-08, dasamsa has 10th lord Jupiter in 10th

with 9th lord and aspected by 7th lord Mercury in own sign. Jupiter's annual

dasa during Jan 7-March 9, 2008 catapulted him to the front-runner position.

Rahu is the 12th lord who afflicts this combination and his dasa during March

9-April 17, 2008 prolonged the battle. Venus dasa brought his primary victory.

Venus is the lagna lord with yogakaraka Saturn giving a raja yoga in 4th and in

AL in rasi chart. In D-10, he occupies moolatrikona in 8th and gives sudden

developments. He is in A5 and in the 5th from AL. So the victory makes sense.

* * *

Birthtime of John McCain

Though there is a 11 am birthtime in circulation, it makes no sense when checked

with life events. I took the 9 am birthtime and rectified it by 8 minutes.

Birthdata: 1936 August 29, 9:08:10 am (5:00 west of GMT), 79 deg 52' W, 9 deg

22' N

Lagna is Virgo with Mercury in it. He is an intelligent and logical man.

Debilitated Ketu is in AL in intellectual Gemini and he is seen as a maverick

and an unconventional politician. He has vargottama lagna and has a strong

individuality. Because of vargottama lagna, Sataabdika dasa applies and it works

better than Vimsottari dasa.

He was married on 1965 July 3. This was Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa as per

Sataabdika dasa. Jupiter is the 7th lord in D-9 and dispositor of Venus. In the

D-9 of 1964-65 annual TP chart, 7th lord Mars is in 11th with lagna lord Venus.

Annual Tithi Ashtottari (TA) dasa of Mars brought marriage.

In the 1967-68 annual TP chart, ruler of the year Moon is in marana karaka

sthana in 8th house and he is in mrityu bhaga. This was a terrible year that

started a 5 year imprisonment. Also, the 3rd house is in mrityu bhaga and his

bravery was tested badly. Based on natal dasa, it was the beginning of Jupiter

dasa. Jupiter is the 4th lord of comfort and in marana karaka sthana. In D-4, he

is in the 12th house in an inimical sign with the 12th lord. This can show loss

of residential comfort and even imprisonment. In D-10, Jupiter is afflicted by a

strong Rahu in Aquarius lagna and gives Guru-Chandala yoga. So there was a big

setback in career. Antardasa was that of Mars. Mars is the 8th lord and occupies

A8. He can give an accident. In D-4, he is in the 8th house and can deprive of

residence. In D-10, he is in 10th and can show an acceident/setback in career.

He was released on 1973 March 14. In the natal D-4 and rasi, Saturn is in 6th

showing a victory and removal of obstacles. His antardasa brought the release.

In the annual TP chart of 1972-73, 9th lord Venus in 10th and 4th lord Jupiter

in 4th give a raja yoga and can show reaching home. Venus-Jupiter antardasa as

per annual TA dasa was running. Jupiter is with Moon in Sagittarius and shows

becoming famous.

The 10th lord in D-10 is Mars and show military career. Sun is the 7th lord,

occupies 11th and aspects 5th. Sun antardasa started in 1977 and he served as

navy's liaison to senate. This was the beginning of his political career.

In Feb 1980, he was divorced. In the annual TP chart's navamsa, 7th lord Jupiter

is in 8th. From the 7th house of marriage, Venus is the 8th lord in 7th and is a

maraka. He is combust in lagna with Sun. His dasa brought divorce. Dasa of Moon

in 7th brought the second marriage on 1980 May 17. In natal navamsa, Venus is

the 2nd lord (2nd is the 8th from 7th and shows the end of first marriage and

also the coming of second marriage). Venus antardasa brought the divorce and

second marriage.

He retired from navy on 1981 April 1. Venus is in the 7th house (2nd house from

the 6th house of service) in D-10 of annual TP chart. In Venus-Venus, his

service ended.

In 1982 November, he was elected to US congress from Arizona. In annual TP

chart, 10th lord Jupiter and 9th lord Mars are together giving a raja yoga. In

D-10, lagna lord Sun is in the 5th house of power and 5th lord Jupiter aspects

Leo lagna from Aquarius. In Jupiter dasa, he was elected to congress. As per

natal dasa, Mercury dasa was running. Mercury is the 5th lord of power in the

7th house with 10th lord Ketu.

In 1986-87 annual TP chart, 5th house has exalted 5th lord Mercury (who is the

ruler of the year). In D-10, 5th lord Venus is in 9th and 9th lord Saturn is

exalted in 5th. Moreover, there is Gaja-Kesari yoga on the 10th house axis. Dasa

of 10th lord Jupiter gave him success in senate elections. As per natal dasa,

this is Mars dasa. Mars is the 10th lord in the 5th from AL. More importantly,

he gives the results of Ketu, who gives raja yoga with Mercury in 7th (5th and

10th lords together).

In 1999-2000 annual TP chart, lagna lord Moon is afflicted by 8th lord Rahu.

Other 8th lord Saturn is in 5th house of power. The 12th lord of loss Mercury is

with debilitated Sun and their dispositor Venus happens to be badhakesha and he

is retrograde in 2nd. During the dasa of exalted Jupiter in D-10 lagna, he did

well. But he ran into troubles in Venus dasa and dropped out.

In 2006-07 annual TP chart, 8th lord Mars is in 10th. During Mars dasa in

summer, his campaign fell apart.

In 2007-08 annual TP chart, 9th lord Jupiter is in 5th and 5th/10th lord Mars is

in 11th and they aspect each other. In D-10 also, 9th and 10th lords Jupiter and

Mars are in samasaptaka. Amatya karaka Venus is in arudha lagna in the 5th

house. In the annual TA dasa of Venus, he emerged as the presumptive replublican

nominee.

* * *

Looking ahead to Election 2008

Right now, John McCain is running the Saturn dasa Saturn antardasa as per natal

Satabdika dasa. Saturn is the 6th lord in 6th in rasi. In D-10, he is the lagna

lord in the 10th house. He is in 7th from AL. He owns the rajya pada (A10). The

pratyantardasa at the time of election will be Mercury's. He owns and aspects

the 5th house in D-10 and exalted in lagna in rasi.

The 2008-09 annual TP chart of John McCain is cast for 2008 Sept 11 at 11:06:45

pm. In this chart, 5th lord Mercury is exalted in 5tyh. Lagna lord Venus, 7th

lord Mars and 5th lord Mercury are conjoined in the 5th house of power within a

1 deg 10 min arc. This happens in the 9th house of AL (arudha lagna)! Mars owns

A10, while Mercury owns A5. They happen to be in the 7th house from GL (Ghatika

Lagna), which is the seat of power. Rajya sahamam falls in Gemini and Mercury

owns it.

In D-10 also, lagna lord Venus, 7th lord Mars and 5th lord Mercury are conjoined

in the 8th house of sudden reversals and A5 is also there. In fact, GL is also

with them.

At the time of elections, Sun, Mercury and Mars transit in his 10th house.

Though 2007-08 annual TP chart of McCain is not promising and explains the

lacklustre performance in opinion polls until now, it is likely that he will

pick up steam after Sept 11.

Now let us see the chart of Barack Obama. Jupiter-Moon antardasa is running.

Moon is in the 12th house in D-10 and has the potential to give a loss.

The annual TP chart of Barack Obama is cast for 2008 July 26 at 10:04 pm. Lagna

lord and 10th lord Jupiter is also the ruler of the year and he is in

moolatrikona in 10th. The 5th lord Moon is exalted in 3rd. These are all good

factors. But the 5th house of power contains 6th lord Sun and 8th lord Venus

along with 7th lord Mercury and 9th lord Ketu. This is not a good combination.

In D-10, lagna lord Jupiter is in 8th. The 10th lord Mercury is in 6th and the

5th lord Mars is in 4th. Neither shows political power.

John McCain has a considerably higher chance of winning than Barack Obama.

* * *

Final Prediction

Until mid-September, Obama will seem to have an advantage. But, McCain's

campaign will pick up steam during the second half of September and October.

John McCain will win the US presidential election 2008.

When (if) the charts of Vice Presidential candidates are available, I will

re-visit this prediction and see if there is any modification. But, as things

stand now, I am comfortable with the final horoscopes of both Obama and McCain

and my expectation is that McCain will win.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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July 23, 2008

narasimha nice analysis, was wondering do you see assasination for barack

obama. the rahu mars combinations suggests so. i was wondering if you found

that to be the case? also your method for determining the profession is

based on the position of the 10th lord of the rasi in the navamsa correct?

__________

Raja Gursahani

(: 559.474.8576

,: rajagursahani

July 24, 2008

Narasimha,

According to Jhora Obama's TP chart (as you quoted below) has Pisces

lagna. But D10 has Aq as ascendant, not Sg as you are alluding to

here (please see the last sentence here as per you email). So

assuming D10 for annual TP lagna as Aq(it is at 10:24pm), not 10:04pm,

the D10 chart looks fine. Is my Jhora giving me wrong results, or am

I missing something? Please clarify when you have a chance. You could

also email me at nakshatras

Thanks

M. Sharma

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Now let us see the chart of Barack Obama. Jupiter-Moon antardasa is

running. Moon is in the 12th house in D-10 and has the potential to

give a loss.

>

> The annual TP chart of Barack Obama is cast for 2008 July 26 at

10:04 pm. Lagna lord and 10th lord Jupiter is also the ruler of the

year and he is in moolatrikona in 10th. The 5th lord Moon is exalted

in 3rd. These are all good factors. But the 5th house of power

contains 6th lord Sun and 8th lord Venus along with 7th lord Mercury

and 9th lord Ketu. This is not a good combination.

In D-10, lagna lord Jupiter is in 8th. The 10th lord Mercury is in

6th and the 5th lord Mars is in 4th. Neither shows political power.

>

July 24, 2008

mr sharma just for your knowledge obamas birthtime is 7:24 pm giving a

capricorn rising. please be aware that this time is accurate as his birth

certificate (official and documented) can be found by googling.

namaskar,

__________

Raja Gursahani

(: 559.474.8576

,: rajagursahani

July 26, 2008

Namaste Manjunath,

What you wrote suggests that you are using the regular Lahiri ayanamsa. I too

get 10:24 pm as the annual TP time if I use the regular Lahiri ayanamsa.

I use a slightly modified version of Lahiri ayanamsa. Please note that planets

exist in 3-D, but their longitudes exist on a 2-D plane (known as the zodiacal

plane). Though planets are slightly outside this 2-D zodiacal plane, their

positions are *projected* onto this 2-D plane and those projections are used to

find the longitudes of astrology. Normally, ayanamsa is considered as a question

on " where is the zero degree point in the zodiacal plane " and no questions are

asked on what should be the zodiacal plane itself. The Sun-earth plane is

normally taken as the zodiacal plane. This plane oscillates slowly, i.e. changes

with time. In other words, the 2-D plane on which longitudes are taken is

changing from day to day! For example, the zodiacal plane used in 1961 when

Obama was born is potentially different from the 2-D plane on which longitudes

are taken in 2008 when his TP chart is cast.

In my " modified Lahiri ayanamsa " , we not only fix the starting point of the

zodiac, but fix the zodiacal plane too! It is taken as the *mean* Sun-earth

plane (instead of taking the *true* Sun-earth plane of the day and thus getting

a different plane everyday). Now, the positions of planets on any day are

projected onto the same fixed plane and counted from the same fixed zero degree

point on the same fixed plane.

This results only in a few arc-minutes of difference in the positions of

planets, because the oscillation in Sun-earth plane is very small. However, the

exact change in different planets can be different - it changes from planet to

planet and day to day. That is enough to change the TP times. In normal ayanamsa

variations, the longitudes of all planets are affected the same way. For

example, if I subtract 5 arc-minutes from Lahiri ayanamsa and use that ayanamsa,

longitudes of all planets go up by 5 arc-minutes. So this does not affect TP

calculation because tithi is based on the difference (Moon-Sun), which does not

change because the longitudes of Moon and Sun are changed by the same amount and

the difference remains the same. However, when we change the zodiacal plane as I

did above, longitudes of different planets may be changed by different amounts.

Thus, (Moon-Sun) may change. Thus, TP time may change by upto several minutes!

In this example, it changed from 10:24 pm to 10:04 pm.

I used TP to conclude on regular ayanamsa vs fixed plane ayanamsa issue. I

compared them with many charts and many events and satisfied myself completely

that fixed plane was the right thing. I have been using it for 2-3 years in all

my work related to TP, but did not get a chance to make the software available

publicly. Recently, I got a chance and released JHora 7.2, which gives the

feature. If you select " Modified Lahiri (Chitrapaksha, mean plane) " from among

the ayanamsa choices, you can use this method. You may want to give it a try.

*I* recommend this variation of Lahiri ayanamsa.

Now that software for this calculation is available, I will be using this

modified Lahiri ayanamsa in all my public astrological writings.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " M. Sharma " <nakshatras wrote:

>

> Narasimha,

> According to Jhora Obama's TP chart (as you quoted below) has Pisces

> lagna. But D10 has Aq as ascendant, not Sg as you are alluding to

> here (please see the last sentence here as per you email). So

> assuming D10 for annual TP lagna as Aq(it is at 10:24pm), not 10:04pm,

> the D10 chart looks fine. Is my Jhora giving me wrong results, or am

> I missing something? Please clarify when you have a chance. You could

> also email me at nakshatras

> Thanks

> M. Sharma

>

> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > Now let us see the chart of Barack Obama. Jupiter-Moon antardasa is

> running. Moon is in the 12th house in D-10 and has the potential to

> give a loss.

> >

> > The annual TP chart of Barack Obama is cast for 2008 July 26 at

> 10:04 pm. Lagna lord and 10th lord Jupiter is also the ruler of the

> year and he is in moolatrikona in 10th. The 5th lord Moon is exalted

> in 3rd. These are all good factors. But the 5th house of power

> contains 6th lord Sun and 8th lord Venus along with 7th lord Mercury

> and 9th lord Ketu. This is not a good combination.

>

> In D-10, lagna lord Jupiter is in 8th. The 10th lord Mercury is in

> 6th and the 5th lord Mars is in 4th. Neither shows political power.

July 26, 2008