US Presidential Election_Critical_Analysis

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

The birth data of Mr. Mc Cain given by our trustworthy friend Mr. PVR

Narasimha Rao ji.

 

// Though there is a 11 am birthtime in circulation, it makes no sense

when checked with life events. I took the 9 am birthtime and rectified

it by 8 minutes.

Birthdata: 1936 August 29, 9:08:10 am (5:00 west of GMT), 79 deg 52' W,

9 deg 22' N//

 

Analysis

 

1) Anyone who has casted this chart had any serious glance at this

would say this horoscope CANNOT be of any aspiring President of USA.

 

2) LL in Lagna and Vargottam lagna is the only strong point in this

hororscope

 

3) 9HL Venus is in end deg. i.e. 29 deb. 50 min...etc.. can you expert

to deliver results of his bhagya ??

 

4) 4HL Jupiter in 3H, debilitated in navamsa can cause humiliation in

life. Going by SJC theory it is Maraka Sthana, which though I

personally do not believe, but for logics of often praised and advocated

astro_principles I am referring it here for others to take a serious

note.

 

5) How can a deb 4HL give the basic logics to become aspiring President

??. Also Rahu in 4H. Moon in Capricon in natal chart, placed in

Aquarius Amsa, should give a depressing personality or thinking or

confused mind.

 

6) 12HL Sun is in 12H aspected by a retrograde 5HL & 6HL Saturn should

see him in hospital or old age home...... with LL Mercury in deb Jupiter

amsa, i.e. 7HL connection....gives the aspiring USA President propensity

to run after Russian KGB Lady spies.....

 

7) A debilitated 8HL & 3HL Mars in 11H aspecting Moon & Saturn® -

shows a diseased or totally confused mind.

 

8) Mars, Ketu, Venus share the Sagittarius navamsa - another serious

affliction

 

9) To think such a person is a Airforce Pilot or served in Defence

forces and a dependable person, surved accidents or in full 108 bones

intact.....is something hard to believe.

 

10) Dasha of Saturn-Jupiter-Moon / Mars period during election

period.... a dismail hope

 

11) See the double transit phenomenon in his 12H now.......with Transit

Jupiter going into debilitation....immediate future...

 

12) How can a person with afflicted Venus occupy White House to enjoy

the comfort ?? Brave enough with a Deb. Mars ?? i.e. NO guts to push the

Trigger !! NO inherent strenght of logics or afflicted Moon, a weakly

placed Sun in 12H, ......think of working as First Citizen ??

 

13) NO need to delve into Vargas for the basic promise is NOT there in

the natal chart.....going to vargas is only to confuse and twist the

things to fix astrology.

 

14) LL Mercury is debilitated in the navamsa. i.e. all kendra lords

are debilitated in the navamsa. { Would wait for new astro discoveries

to be made here...that this would constitute some Unique Raja Yoga.....

straight from H.G. Wells books...etc..}. A chart which has all its

FOUR PILLARS collapsed - can stand UPRIGHT to claim or aspire to be a

USA President ??

 

It is very difficult to imagine this birth data is of a aspiring USA

President, considering pure application of astro_principles... for Mr.

Mc Cain back ground does not suit to this description for few reasons

mentioned above.... where is the combinations in this horoscope for the

aspiring President who has undergone jail term or cornered by enemy

during his Vietnam war i.e. 14 yrs of long war in USA BATTERED

history......for Mr. Mc Cain still recollects how he was tortured....!!!

 

I think that the analysis by Sri P.V.R. Narasimha is on general

perception than on pure astro_logics.....

 

Note: My disagreement with Sri P.V.R. Narasimha ji's analysis is purely

technical and is based . Would request other learned senior members

to contest my analysis and give their opinion.

 

The above is a result of individual analysis and followed by a informal

chat discussion between me, Mr. Sunil Nair and (Dr) Ms. Bhagavathi

Hariharn } took 4 days { leisure time spread over 4 days} to find any

strength in this horoscope & to see any goodness in it - to reach the

current stage of Republican Nomination.....for aspiring to be a

President. Interestingly though all we three used different techniques

or technical points of analysis, with similar conclusions.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeram,

 

There are 2 ascendants in contention for J. McCain. ie Virgo and Libra

 

The Virgo ascendant chart looks to be generally weaker. A time given by

McCain’s mother was 11am. This needs adjustment to fit with some life

events. 27+ Libra is a better fit.

 

The main problem with Virgo ascendant is the extreme weakness of Venus

which suffers because of---

 

1. Late degree in mitra avasta.

2. 12H placement

3. It is closely aspected by a malefic Sa

 

Venus is not happy and it rules the 2H of family for Virgo. Mc Cain

comes from a strong family/family tradition. He is not short on money

either.

 

For a Libra ascendant, Sa is a benefic(yogakaraka), so the aspect to Ve

is more positive. This gives Ve a lot more life especially since it’s in

a raj yoga with Sa. This is helpful for political advancement.

 

Mars is now in 10H and has neecha bangha raj yoga and dig bala. Its

position close to the MC would fit with a high ranking military person.

 

The choice for a Libra ascendant is helped by the fact that Libra people

often show an interest in politics. This is because Saturn, a friend of

Ascendant lord Venus rules the 4H( masses) and 5H of politics and is

exalted in the Ascendant.

 

 

 

Ron

 

 

sreeram srinivas wrote:

> Dear Members,

>

> The birth data of Mr. Mc Cain given by our trustworthy friend Mr. PVR

> Narasimha Rao ji.

>

> // Though there is a 11 am birthtime in circulation, it makes no sense

> when checked with life events. I took the 9 am birthtime and rectified

> it by 8 minutes.

> Birthdata: 1936 August 29, 9:08:10 am (5:00 west of GMT), 79 deg 52' W,

> 9 deg 22' N//

>

> Analysis

>

> 1) Anyone who has casted this chart had any serious glance at this

> would say this horoscope CANNOT be of any aspiring President of USA.

>

> 2) LL in Lagna and Vargottam lagna is the only strong point in this

> hororscope

>

> 3) 9HL Venus is in end deg. i.e. 29 deb. 50 min...etc.. can you expert

> to deliver results of his bhagya ??

>

> 4) 4HL Jupiter in 3H, debilitated in navamsa can cause humiliation in

> life. Going by SJC theory it is Maraka Sthana, which though I

> personally do not believe, but for logics of often praised and advocated

> astro_principles I am referring it here for others to take a serious

> note.

>

> 5) How can a deb 4HL give the basic logics to become aspiring President

> ??. Also Rahu in 4H. Moon in Capricon in natal chart, placed in

> Aquarius Amsa, should give a depressing personality or thinking or

> confused mind.

>

> 6) 12HL Sun is in 12H aspected by a retrograde 5HL & 6HL Saturn should

> see him in hospital or old age home...... with LL Mercury in deb Jupiter

> amsa, i.e. 7HL connection....gives the aspiring USA President propensity

> to run after Russian KGB Lady spies.....

>

> 7) A debilitated 8HL & 3HL Mars in 11H aspecting Moon & Saturn® -

> shows a diseased or totally confused mind.

>

> 8) Mars, Ketu, Venus share the Sagittarius navamsa - another serious

> affliction

>

> 9) To think such a person is a Airforce Pilot or served in Defence

> forces and a dependable person, surved accidents or in full 108 bones

> intact.....is something hard to believe.

>

> 10) Dasha of Saturn-Jupiter-Moon / Mars period during election

> period.... a dismail hope

>

> 11) See the double transit phenomenon in his 12H now.......with Transit

> Jupiter going into debilitation....immediate future...

>

> 12) How can a person with afflicted Venus occupy White House to enjoy

> the comfort ?? Brave enough with a Deb. Mars ?? i.e. NO guts to push the

> Trigger !! NO inherent strenght of logics or afflicted Moon, a weakly

> placed Sun in 12H, ......think of working as First Citizen ??

>

> 13) NO need to delve into Vargas for the basic promise is NOT there in

> the natal chart.....going to vargas is only to confuse and twist the

> things to fix astrology.

>

> 14) LL Mercury is debilitated in the navamsa. i.e. all kendra lords

> are debilitated in the navamsa. { Would wait for new astro discoveries

> to be made here...that this would constitute some Unique Raja Yoga.....

> straight from H.G. Wells books...etc..}. A chart which has all its

> FOUR PILLARS collapsed - can stand UPRIGHT to claim or aspire to be a

> USA President ??

>

> It is very difficult to imagine this birth data is of a aspiring USA

> President, considering pure application of astro_principles... for Mr.

> Mc Cain back ground does not suit to this description for few reasons

> mentioned above.... where is the combinations in this horoscope for the

> aspiring President who has undergone jail term or cornered by enemy

> during his Vietnam war i.e. 14 yrs of long war in USA BATTERED

> history......for Mr. Mc Cain still recollects how he was tortured....!!!

>

> I think that the analysis by Sri P.V.R. Narasimha is on general

> perception than on pure astro_logics.....

>

> Note: My disagreement with Sri P.V.R. Narasimha ji's analysis is purely

> technical and is based . Would request other learned senior members

> to contest my analysis and give their opinion.

>

> The above is a result of individual analysis and followed by a informal

> chat discussion between me, Mr. Sunil Nair and (Dr) Ms. Bhagavathi

> Hariharn } took 4 days { leisure time spread over 4 days} to find any

> strength in this horoscope & to see any goodness in it - to reach the

> current stage of Republican Nomination.....for aspiring to be a

> President. Interestingly though all we three used different techniques

> or technical points of analysis, with similar conclusions.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Ronday,

 

I agree with you on the astro analysis and broad relation to his events

in life.... I was just underlying the major technical astro_flaws in

Mr. PVR Narasimha's original post. If one sees Mr. Mc Cain, if it is

Virgo, with LL Mercury in Lagna, his face should be small...but it shows

more Mars type face......which Mr. PVR failed to note......

 

It is easy to speak about vargas...... but when the basic chart as given

by PVR has no relation to the physical body of Mr. Mc Cain nor shows any

promise of such aspiring President.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, RonDay <ronkar wrote:

>

> Dear Sreeram,

>

> There are 2 ascendants in contention for J. McCain. ie Virgo and Libra

>

> The Virgo ascendant chart looks to be generally weaker. A time given

by

> McCain's mother was 11am. This needs adjustment to fit with some

life

> events. 27+ Libra is a better fit.

>

> The main problem with Virgo ascendant is the extreme weakness of Venus

> which suffers because of---

>

> 1. Late degree in mitra avasta.

> 2. 12H placement

> 3. It is closely aspected by a malefic Sa

>

> Venus is not happy and it rules the 2H of family for Virgo. Mc Cain

> comes from a strong family/family tradition. He is not short on money

> either.

>

> For a Libra ascendant, Sa is a benefic(yogakaraka), so the aspect to

Ve

> is more positive. This gives Ve a lot more life especially since

it's in

> a raj yoga with Sa. This is helpful for political advancement.

>

> Mars is now in 10H and has neecha bangha raj yoga and dig bala. Its

> position close to the MC would fit with a high ranking military

person.

>

> The choice for a Libra ascendant is helped by the fact that Libra

people

> often show an interest in politics. This is because Saturn, a friend

of

> Ascendant lord Venus rules the 4H( masses) and 5H of politics and is

> exalted in the Ascendant.

>

>

>

> Ron

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Ron,

 

You did a good analysis, but have you taken his imprisonment in a foreign

country during 1967-1973? Can you explain it in the dasa of Rahu in the 3rd

house from Libra? Have you looked at his marriages, divorce, child birth,

promotions in military, retirement, senate election etc events to confirm the

time? In my detailed technical analysis justifying the 9:08:10 am birthtime, I

mentioned several events that others may use.

 

> A time given by McCain's mother was 11am.

 

I want to address this *misconception* that 11 am was given by her mother while

9 am is from some other source. That is NOT true.

 

John McCain's deputy press secretary stated earlier that she was given 9 am as

the birthtime of John McCain by *his mother*. In fact, Lois Rodden's

astrodatabank.com gives 9 am as the birthtime with an " A " rating and mentions

his mother as the source. Though it mentions the 11 am political ad also, it

still gives 9 am time and keeps the A rating for it. If there is uncertainty,

they normally reduce the rating. Here they didn't, so obviously they gave little

credence to the information in the political ad. And rightly so.

 

One should take the political ad with a pinch of salt. For heaven's sake, it is

just a political ad! A mother in her 90's and her son in his 70's were having a

phony conversation in a political ad that was meant to show how close they are

and to bring out his human side. The purpose of this ad is not to state facts

like his birthtime. The details stated in a phony informal conversation for a

political *image ad* need not be accurate. The fact is that people at McCain's

headquarters provided 9 am as the birthtime earlier and his mother was mentioned

as the original source for that birthtime. Astrodatabank.com recognizes this and

hence uses 9 am birthtime and ignores the information in the political ad later

on.

 

> The choice for a Libra ascendant is helped by the fact that Libra people

> often show an interest in politics.

 

You surely don't mean to suggest that being a Virgo lagna person rules out being

in politics. :-) So many successful politicians have Virgo lagna.

 

> > 4) 4HL Jupiter in 3H, debilitated in navamsa can cause humiliation in

> > life. Going by SJC theory it is Maraka Sthana, which though I

> > personally do not believe, but for logics of often praised and advocated

> > astro_principles I am referring it here for others to take a serious

> > note.

 

Dear Sreeram, if you do not believe, there is no need to use it! By the way,

marana karaka sthana is not " SJC theory " , it is mentioned in classics. :-)

 

The 4th lord in marana karaka sthana can show not having a stable home, among

other things.

 

> > 5) How can a deb 4HL give the basic logics to become aspiring President

> > ??

 

Well, Ronald Reagan had a debilitated 4th lord too. I believe he was a President

for 8 years, let alone be an " aspiring President " . :-)

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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, RonDay <ronkar wrote:

>

> Dear Sreeram,

>

> There are 2 ascendants in contention for J. McCain. ie Virgo and Libra

>

> The Virgo ascendant chart looks to be generally weaker. A time given by

> McCain's mother was 11am. This needs adjustment to fit with some life

> events. 27+ Libra is a better fit.

>

> The main problem with Virgo ascendant is the extreme weakness of Venus

> which suffers because of---

>

> 1. Late degree in mitra avasta.

> 2. 12H placement

> 3. It is closely aspected by a malefic Sa

>

> Venus is not happy and it rules the 2H of family for Virgo. Mc Cain

> comes from a strong family/family tradition. He is not short on money

> either.

>

> For a Libra ascendant, Sa is a benefic(yogakaraka), so the aspect to Ve

> is more positive. This gives Ve a lot more life especially since it's in

> a raj yoga with Sa. This is helpful for political advancement.

>

> Mars is now in 10H and has neecha bangha raj yoga and dig bala. Its

> position close to the MC would fit with a high ranking military person.

>

> The choice for a Libra ascendant is helped by the fact that Libra people

> often show an interest in politics. This is because Saturn, a friend of

> Ascendant lord Venus rules the 4H( masses) and 5H of politics and is

> exalted in the Ascendant.

>

>

>

> Ron

>

>

> sreeram srinivas wrote:

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > The birth data of Mr. Mc Cain given by our trustworthy friend Mr. PVR

> > Narasimha Rao ji.

> >

> > // Though there is a 11 am birthtime in circulation, it makes no sense

> > when checked with life events. I took the 9 am birthtime and rectified

> > it by 8 minutes.

> > Birthdata: 1936 August 29, 9:08:10 am (5:00 west of GMT), 79 deg 52' W,

> > 9 deg 22' N//

> >

> > Analysis

> >

> > 1) Anyone who has casted this chart had any serious glance at this

> > would say this horoscope CANNOT be of any aspiring President of USA.

> >

> > 2) LL in Lagna and Vargottam lagna is the only strong point in this

> > hororscope

> >

> > 3) 9HL Venus is in end deg. i.e. 29 deb. 50 min...etc.. can you expert

> > to deliver results of his bhagya ??

> >

> > 4) 4HL Jupiter in 3H, debilitated in navamsa can cause humiliation in

> > life. Going by SJC theory it is Maraka Sthana, which though I

> > personally do not believe, but for logics of often praised and advocated

> > astro_principles I am referring it here for others to take a serious

> > note.

> >

> > 5) How can a deb 4HL give the basic logics to become aspiring President

> > ??. Also Rahu in 4H. Moon in Capricon in natal chart, placed in

> > Aquarius Amsa, should give a depressing personality or thinking or

> > confused mind.

> >

> > 6) 12HL Sun is in 12H aspected by a retrograde 5HL & 6HL Saturn should

> > see him in hospital or old age home...... with LL Mercury in deb Jupiter

> > amsa, i.e. 7HL connection....gives the aspiring USA President propensity

> > to run after Russian KGB Lady spies.....

> >

> > 7) A debilitated 8HL & 3HL Mars in 11H aspecting Moon & Saturn® -

> > shows a diseased or totally confused mind.

> >

> > 8) Mars, Ketu, Venus share the Sagittarius navamsa - another serious

> > affliction

> >

> > 9) To think such a person is a Airforce Pilot or served in Defence

> > forces and a dependable person, surved accidents or in full 108 bones

> > intact.....is something hard to believe.

> >

> > 10) Dasha of Saturn-Jupiter-Moon / Mars period during election

> > period.... a dismail hope

> >

> > 11) See the double transit phenomenon in his 12H now.......with Transit

> > Jupiter going into debilitation....immediate future...

> >

> > 12) How can a person with afflicted Venus occupy White House to enjoy

> > the comfort ?? Brave enough with a Deb. Mars ?? i.e. NO guts to push the

> > Trigger !! NO inherent strenght of logics or afflicted Moon, a weakly

> > placed Sun in 12H, ......think of working as First Citizen ??

> >

> > 13) NO need to delve into Vargas for the basic promise is NOT there in

> > the natal chart.....going to vargas is only to confuse and twist the

> > things to fix astrology.

> >

> > 14) LL Mercury is debilitated in the navamsa. i.e. all kendra lords

> > are debilitated in the navamsa. { Would wait for new astro discoveries

> > to be made here...that this would constitute some Unique Raja Yoga.....

> > straight from H.G. Wells books...etc..}. A chart which has all its

> > FOUR PILLARS collapsed - can stand UPRIGHT to claim or aspire to be a

> > USA President ??

> >

> > It is very difficult to imagine this birth data is of a aspiring USA

> > President, considering pure application of astro_principles... for Mr.

> > Mc Cain back ground does not suit to this description for few reasons

> > mentioned above.... where is the combinations in this horoscope for the

> > aspiring President who has undergone jail term or cornered by enemy

> > during his Vietnam war i.e. 14 yrs of long war in USA BATTERED

> > history......for Mr. Mc Cain still recollects how he was tortured....!!!

> >

> > I think that the analysis by Sri P.V.R. Narasimha is on general

> > perception than on pure astro_logics.....

> >

> > Note: My disagreement with Sri P.V.R. Narasimha ji's analysis is purely

> > technical and is based . Would request other learned senior members

> > to contest my analysis and give their opinion.

> >

> > The above is a result of individual analysis and followed by a informal

> > chat discussion between me, Mr. Sunil Nair and (Dr) Ms. Bhagavathi

> > Hariharn } took 4 days { leisure time spread over 4 days} to find any

> > strength in this horoscope & to see any goodness in it - to reach the

> > current stage of Republican Nomination.....for aspiring to be a

> > President. Interestingly though all we three used different techniques

> > or technical points of analysis, with similar conclusions.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

It would be great if we had more actual predictions with as meticulous analysis'

as Narasimha's is, and sharpen our knowledge! Fault finding doesn't improve our

skills, nor makes the 'name' for anyone- I understand, it's an honor to even

discuss Narasimha's prediction, but  can we all be more constructive and try not

to abuse /rare/ opportunity when an exceptional and proven master offers it? Not

to brush off the best from this List.

 

Narasimha certainly knows that Obama is considered next president from many

places, but that didn't prevent him from analyzing astro-data at hand and

teaching us all- NOT ONLY astrology, but some ethics as well.

 

For which I am sincerely grateful.

 

Anna

 

 

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

 

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64

Re: US Presidential Election_Critical_Analysis

 

Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:46 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Ronday,

 

I agree with you on the astro analysis and broad relation to his events

in life.... I was just underlying the major technical astro_flaws in

Mr. PVR Narasimha's original post. If one sees Mr. Mc Cain, if it is

Virgo, with LL Mercury in Lagna, his face should be small...but it shows

more Mars type face......which Mr. PVR failed to note......

 

It is easy to speak about vargas...... but when the basic chart as given

by PVR has no relation to the physical body of Mr. Mc Cain nor shows any

promise of such aspiring President.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

, RonDay <ronkar wrote:

>

> Dear Sreeram,

>

> There are 2 ascendants in contention for J. McCain. ie Virgo and Libra

>

> The Virgo ascendant chart looks to be generally weaker. A time given

by

> McCain's mother was 11am. This needs adjustment to fit with some

life

> events. 27+ Libra is a better fit.

>

> The main problem with Virgo ascendant is the extreme weakness of Venus

> which suffers because of---

>

> 1. Late degree in mitra avasta.

> 2. 12H placement

> 3. It is closely aspected by a malefic Sa

>

> Venus is not happy and it rules the 2H of family for Virgo. Mc Cain

> comes from a strong family/family tradition. He is not short on money

> either.

>

> For a Libra ascendant, Sa is a benefic(yogakaraka) , so the aspect to

Ve

> is more positive. This gives Ve a lot more life especially since

it's in

> a raj yoga with Sa. This is helpful for political advancement.

>

> Mars is now in 10H and has neecha bangha raj yoga and dig bala. Its

> position close to the MC would fit with a high ranking military

person.

>

> The choice for a Libra ascendant is helped by the fact that Libra

people

> often show an interest in politics. This is because Saturn, a friend

of

> Ascendant lord Venus rules the 4H( masses) and 5H of politics and is

> exalted in the Ascendant.

>

>

>

> Ron

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>You did a good analysis, but have you taken his imprisonment in a

foreign country during 1967-1973? Can you explain it in the dasa of Rahu

in the 3rd house from Libra? <

 

 

Dear Narasimha,

 

Thanks for your reply.

Imprisonment is certainly a major event in McCain's life so it may be

useful to focus on this event wrt Libra ascendant.

This event was in the Ra/Ve dasa.

 

Rahu’s dispositor Ju is in the nakshatra of Mercury located in 12H.

Rahu is in the nakshatra of Ketu. Ketu’s dispositor Mercury is in 12H.

Rahu is in 12H from the Moon

RaKeAxis is 6/12 in the D4.

 

Venus sub period is not so good since Ve is in a late degree in mitra

avasta and in the 8H from the Moon.

 

Mercury is debilitated in the navamsa so there is an underlying weakness

which may be applied as the ascendant lord(Virgo) or 12th lord (Libra).

 

Bandhana saham is conjunct Ju or wide orb to Ra(with the one sign

addition). Ra is involved either way.

For the Virgo Ascendant bandhana saham is in the ascendant.

 

Moon is in nigala(fetters) drekkana. For the Libra ascendant Moon is

10th lord showing that he was imprisoned as a result of his profession.

 

I don’t think the combinations for imprisonment are that great for

either ascendant but these are the combinations supporting Libra

ascendant in Ra dasa.

 

 

 

>You surely don't mean to suggest that being a Virgo lagna person rules

out being in politics. So many successful politicians have Virgo lagna.<

 

This is true.

It would be interesting to do some statistics on the involvement of

Libra ascendant people with politics and compare with other ascendants.

This could include politicians, political authors, political science

students etc.

 

 

 

Ron

[Guest guest]

he does have small face compared to most of the men out there. so it could

be true. he also has a touch of androgynousness so that could be true of

virgo lagna. his aura is not very manly manish.he is actually kind of

squirrely. he could be virgo lagna based on these facts. libra rising tend

be taller with longer arms that are lanky as in this case of barack obama

but he is capricorn rising. well this debate is interesting because figuring

out his lagna lord is a hard task but at the same time worthy of effort and

deserved merit.

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja Gursahani

(: 559.474.8576

,: rajagursahani

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha,

 

Virgo lagna appears to have one kind of 'bandhana yoga' that I have studied in

detail:

 

Rule 1: Both lagna lord and 6th lord should occupy a Kendra or a Kona

 

Here, Lagna lord Mercury is in Lagna and the 6th lord Rahu is in the 4th,

another Kendra.

 

Rule 2, Both lagna lord and 6th lord should be influenced by one of

Rahu/Ketu/Sani.

 

Here, Ketu is disposited by Lagna lord Mercury and Ketu occupies 6th lord Rahu's

constellation.

 

McCain was imprisoned during Rahu-Sat period. Satrun is in the 6th house and

also the co-lord of 6th along with Rahu.

 

It appears that the bandhana yoga plays out well with Virgo lagna.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

--- On Mon, 28/7/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

 

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

Re: US Presidential Election_Critical_Analysis

 

Monday, 28 July, 2008, 8:47 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Ron,

 

You did a good analysis, but have you taken his imprisonment in a foreign

country during 1967-1973? Can you explain it in the dasa of Rahu in the 3rd

house from Libra? Have you looked at his marriages, divorce, child birth,

promotions in military, retirement, senate election etc events to confirm the

time? In my detailed technical analysis justifying the 9:08:10 am birthtime, I

mentioned several events that others may use.

 

> A time given by McCain's mother was 11am.

 

I want to address this *misconception* that 11 am was given by her mother while

9 am is from some other source. That is NOT true.

 

John McCain's deputy press secretary stated earlier that she was given 9 am as

the birthtime of John McCain by *his mother*. In fact, Lois Rodden's

astrodatabank. com gives 9 am as the birthtime with an " A " rating and mentions

his mother as the source. Though it mentions the 11 am political ad also, it

still gives 9 am time and keeps the A rating for it. If there is uncertainty,

they normally reduce the rating. Here they didn't, so obviously they gave little

credence to the information in the political ad. And rightly so.

 

One should take the political ad with a pinch of salt. For heaven's sake, it is

just a political ad! A mother in her 90's and her son in his 70's were having a

phony conversation in a political ad that was meant to show how close they are

and to bring out his human side. The purpose of this ad is not to state facts

like his birthtime. The details stated in a phony informal conversation for a

political *image ad* need not be accurate. The fact is that people at McCain's

headquarters provided 9 am as the birthtime earlier and his mother was mentioned

as the original source for that birthtime. Astrodatabank. com recognizes this

and hence uses 9 am birthtime and ignores the information in the political ad

later on.

 

> The choice for a Libra ascendant is helped by the fact that Libra people

> often show an interest in politics.

 

You surely don't mean to suggest that being a Virgo lagna person rules out being

in politics. :-) So many successful politicians have Virgo lagna.

 

> > 4) 4HL Jupiter in 3H, debilitated in navamsa can cause humiliation in

> > life. Going by SJC theory it is Maraka Sthana, which though I

> > personally do not believe, but for logics of often praised and advocated

> > astro_principles I am referring it here for others to take a serious

> > note.

 

Dear Sreeram, if you do not believe, there is no need to use it! By the way,

marana karaka sthana is not " SJC theory " , it is mentioned in classics. :-)

 

The 4th lord in marana karaka sthana can show not having a stable home, among

other things.

 

> > 5) How can a deb 4HL give the basic logics to become aspiring President

> > ??

 

Well, Ronald Reagan had a debilitated 4th lord too. I believe he was a President

for 8 years, let alone be an " aspiring President " . :-)

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, RonDay <ronkar wrote:

>

> Dear Sreeram,

>

> There are 2 ascendants in contention for J. McCain. ie Virgo and Libra

>

> The Virgo ascendant chart looks to be generally weaker. A time given by

> McCain's mother was 11am. This needs adjustment to fit with some life

> events. 27+ Libra is a better fit.

>

> The main problem with Virgo ascendant is the extreme weakness of Venus

> which suffers because of---

>

> 1. Late degree in mitra avasta.

> 2. 12H placement

> 3. It is closely aspected by a malefic Sa

>

> Venus is not happy and it rules the 2H of family for Virgo. Mc Cain

> comes from a strong family/family tradition. He is not short on money

> either.

>

> For a Libra ascendant, Sa is a benefic(yogakaraka) , so the aspect to Ve

> is more positive. This gives Ve a lot more life especially since it's in

> a raj yoga with Sa. This is helpful for political advancement.

>

> Mars is now in 10H and has neecha bangha raj yoga and dig bala. Its

> position close to the MC would fit with a high ranking military person.

>

> The choice for a Libra ascendant is helped by the fact that Libra people

> often show an interest in politics. This is because Saturn, a friend of

> Ascendant lord Venus rules the 4H( masses) and 5H of politics and is

> exalted in the Ascendant.

>

>

>

> Ron

>

>

> sreeram srinivas wrote:

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > The birth data of Mr. Mc Cain given by our trustworthy friend Mr. PVR

> > Narasimha Rao ji.

> >

> > // Though there is a 11 am birthtime in circulation, it makes no sense

> > when checked with life events. I took the 9 am birthtime and rectified

> > it by 8 minutes.

> > Birthdata: 1936 August 29, 9:08:10 am (5:00 west of GMT), 79 deg 52' W,

> > 9 deg 22' N//

> >

> > Analysis

> >

> > 1) Anyone who has casted this chart had any serious glance at this

> > would say this horoscope CANNOT be of any aspiring President of USA.

> >

> > 2) LL in Lagna and Vargottam lagna is the only strong point in this

> > hororscope

> >

> > 3) 9HL Venus is in end deg. i.e. 29 deb. 50 min...etc.. can you expert

> > to deliver results of his bhagya ??

> >

> > 4) 4HL Jupiter in 3H, debilitated in navamsa can cause humiliation in

> > life. Going by SJC theory it is Maraka Sthana, which though I

> > personally do not believe, but for logics of often praised and advocated

> > astro_principles I am referring it here for others to take a serious

> > note.

> >

> > 5) How can a deb 4HL give the basic logics to become aspiring President

> > ??. Also Rahu in 4H. Moon in Capricon in natal chart, placed in

> > Aquarius Amsa, should give a depressing personality or thinking or

> > confused mind.

> >

> > 6) 12HL Sun is in 12H aspected by a retrograde 5HL & 6HL Saturn should

> > see him in hospital or old age home...... with LL Mercury in deb Jupiter

> > amsa, i.e. 7HL connection.. ..gives the aspiring USA President propensity

> > to run after Russian KGB Lady spies.....

> >

> > 7) A debilitated 8HL & 3HL Mars in 11H aspecting Moon & Saturn® -

> > shows a diseased or totally confused mind.

> >

> > 8) Mars, Ketu, Venus share the Sagittarius navamsa - another serious

> > affliction

> >

> > 9) To think such a person is a Airforce Pilot or served in Defence

> > forces and a dependable person, surved accidents or in full 108 bones

> > intact.....is something hard to believe.

> >

> > 10) Dasha of Saturn-Jupiter- Moon / Mars period during election

> > period.... a dismail hope

> >

> > 11) See the double transit phenomenon in his 12H now.......with Transit

> > Jupiter going into debilitation. ...immediate future...

> >

> > 12) How can a person with afflicted Venus occupy White House to enjoy

> > the comfort ?? Brave enough with a Deb. Mars ?? i.e. NO guts to push the

> > Trigger !! NO inherent strenght of logics or afflicted Moon, a weakly

> > placed Sun in 12H, ......think of working as First Citizen ??

> >

> > 13) NO need to delve into Vargas for the basic promise is NOT there in

> > the natal chart.....going to vargas is only to confuse and twist the

> > things to fix astrology.

> >

> > 14) LL Mercury is debilitated in the navamsa. i.e. all kendra lords

> > are debilitated in the navamsa. { Would wait for new astro discoveries

> > to be made here...that this would constitute some Unique Raja Yoga.....

> > straight from H.G. Wells books...etc. .}. A chart which has all its

> > FOUR PILLARS collapsed - can stand UPRIGHT to claim or aspire to be a

> > USA President ??

> >

> > It is very difficult to imagine this birth data is of a aspiring USA

> > President, considering pure application of astro_principles. .. for Mr.

> > Mc Cain back ground does not suit to this description for few reasons

> > mentioned above.... where is the combinations in this horoscope for the

> > aspiring President who has undergone jail term or cornered by enemy

> > during his Vietnam war i.e. 14 yrs of long war in USA BATTERED

> > history..... .for Mr. Mc Cain still recollects how he was tortured.... !!!

> >

> > I think that the analysis by Sri P.V.R. Narasimha is on general

> > perception than on pure astro_logics. ....

> >

> > Note: My disagreement with Sri P.V.R. Narasimha ji's analysis is purely

> > technical and is based . Would request other learned senior members

> > to contest my analysis and give their opinion.

> >

> > The above is a result of individual analysis and followed by a informal

> > chat discussion between me, Mr. Sunil Nair and (Dr) Ms. Bhagavathi

> > Hariharn } took 4 days { leisure time spread over 4 days} to find any

> > strength in this horoscope & to see any goodness in it - to reach the

> > current stage of Republican Nomination.. ...for aspiring to be a

> > President. Interestingly though all we three used different techniques

> > or technical points of analysis, with similar conclusions.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Raja,

While I was considering the more technical aspects of this

rectification, I neglected to note something that is very basic ie What

is the basic constitution or prakriti?

McCain has been a military commander who has been in the thick of it. He

has drive determination, energy etc. His prakriti would be more

pitta(fire) than the other doshas.

 

Mercury in Virgo in the ascendant gives a more vata constitution. Now if

the Sun was in the 7th house, it would add some fire to the constitution

.. In this case neither Mercury nor the ascendant is aspected by any planet.

 

For the Libra ascendant, the ascendant lord Venus is in a fire sign and

Mars aspects the ascendant. This is going to increase the pitta and

give a constitution that is more in line with J. McCain.

 

 

Ron

 

 

Raja Gursahani wrote:

> he does have small face compared to most of the men out there. so it could

> be true. he also has a touch of androgynousness so that could be true of

> virgo lagna. his aura is not very manly manish.he is actually kind of

> squirrely. he could be virgo lagna based on these facts. libra rising tend

> be taller with longer arms that are lanky as in this case of barack obama

> but he is capricorn rising. well this debate is interesting because figuring

> out his lagna lord is a hard task but at the same time worthy of effort and

> deserved merit.

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja Gursahani

> (: 559.474.8576

> ,: rajagursahani

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyotish group

I took a look at McCain's chart today after learning he had a biopsy on his

right cheek to check for Cancer.

Taurus is face and would have to be below asc if the right cheek has marks or

moles on it, and Jupiter would give such a mole during it's dasa, due to

aspecting Taurus. this would mean that for right face to be marked in this way

only Scorpio, Sag, Cap, Aq, Pisces Aries or Taurus can be ascendants at his

birth.

 

I think he suits Scorpio asc due to 'puffiness 'of features as he grows older.

 

Rahu in second house would also give malefic disease on face, and Rahu in second

house would give potential for massive disruption to early education evidenced

in him attending over 20 schools as his father moved around from base to base.

Virgo on eleventh house indicates honours from service which he clearly merits,

and is shown by Mercury in own house, alongside Venus. Mars in ninth also

reinforces this position of honour A planet is in debilitation but with bright

rays, or retrograde, and occupies favourable positions (Phala Deepika 7/3) mean

a person attains a position equivalent to a ruler, and holds all the insignia of

royalty.

 

Mars occupying Cancer gives shrapnel blast to chest, and aspect on Capricorn

gives shrapnel blast on legs, pity I couldn't find out which side of chest and

legs he was shot at.

 

Second house has to connect to Mars if a uniform is worn and Jupiter ruler of

second aspects Mars in ninth, satisfying use of military medals, what I also

find humorous is he is very superstitious and carries lucky charms which planets

occupying ninth can often influence. Mars in Cancer opposite Moon shows military

career and reputations connected to sea/naval activity.

 

Moon in third house shows birth near and living near the canal, as third is

house of transport routes, and John was born near the Panama canal, also a major

and most important route to Panama. Dispositor of third and moon is in fourth

notice, so emphasising the sea route near his home at birth.

 

Father is commander of great government organisation due to Sun in Leo in tenth

house (apologies to those who ninth for father) and Moon in sixth from tenth

gives service via naval bases. Although his own career is clearly one of

successful leadership of gov related organisation

 

The divorce in 1980 also fits the Mercury rulership of eighth house, as it was

time of Jup Mer DASA and Mercury rules eight fromScorpio, whilst due to malefic

ketu in eighth house we look to dasa of eighths dispositor in navamsa to find

dasa ruling at time of divorce, and L8 mercury is in sign of Jupiter navamsa,

reinforcing that Jup mer is a good dasa correlation for divorce.

He adopted children of his first wife, and second wife, and Saturn aspecting

Jupiter, karaka for children would give this potential.

Saturn is retro shows harm to education, which I don't think he excelled at or

took to happily, thus harming his further ed though not destroying it

altogether.

 

I haven't studied charts of those imprisoned but if you set up a chart for 12 56

and if asc is Scorpio with deb Mars in ninth it gives Cap navamsa with deb

Jupiter with Venus (Venus L12 of confinement in rasi), and Mars with ketu in Sag

navamsa opposite Saturn with Rahu In Gemini navamsa.

Using rasi tulya method, Mars L1 would then be with Rahu (ropes) showing

bondage, while Venus L12 would be with Saturn in fourth house in rasi showing

domestic sphere of confinement or prison, especially due to Saturn showing

confined to home.

best wishes

M

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Marg,

 

WOW! Just when we thought the BT was narrowed to only 2 ascendants.

Thanks for your input.

I would need some time to digest what you have written but on first

glance there would be a predominance of kapha in the physiology for this

ascendant. He would look more like a sumo wrestler.

 

Another point is that with Moon in the 3H and 6L Mars debilitated he may

not be that courageous. He has a lot of fighting power.

 

Ron

 

 

Marg wrote:

> Dear Jyotish group

> I took a look at McCain's chart today after learning he had a biopsy on his

right cheek to check for Cancer.

> Taurus is face and would have to be below asc if the right cheek has marks or

moles on it, and Jupiter would give such a mole during it's dasa, due to

aspecting Taurus. this would mean that for right face to be marked in this way

only Scorpio, Sag, Cap, Aq, Pisces Aries or Taurus can be ascendants at his

birth.

>

> I think he suits Scorpio asc due to 'puffiness 'of features as he grows older.

>

> Rahu in second house would also give malefic disease on face, and Rahu in

second house would give potential for massive disruption to early education

evidenced in him attending over 20 schools as his father moved around from base

to base.

> Virgo on eleventh house indicates honours from service which he clearly

merits, and is shown by Mercury in own house, alongside Venus. Mars in ninth

also reinforces this position of honour A planet is in debilitation but with

bright rays, or retrograde, and occupies favourable positions (Phala Deepika

7/3) mean a person attains a position equivalent to a ruler, and holds all the

insignia of royalty.

>

> Mars occupying Cancer gives shrapnel blast to chest, and aspect on Capricorn

gives shrapnel blast on legs, pity I couldn't find out which side of chest and

legs he was shot at.

>

> Second house has to connect to Mars if a uniform is worn and Jupiter ruler of

second aspects Mars in ninth, satisfying use of military medals, what I also

find humorous is he is very superstitious and carries lucky charms which planets

occupying ninth can often influence. Mars in Cancer opposite Moon shows military

career and reputations connected to sea/naval activity.

>

> Moon in third house shows birth near and living near the canal, as third is

house of transport routes, and John was born near the Panama canal, also a major

and most important route to Panama. Dispositor of third and moon is in fourth

notice, so emphasising the sea route near his home at birth.

>

> Father is commander of great government organisation due to Sun in Leo in

tenth house (apologies to those who ninth for father) and Moon in sixth from

tenth gives service via naval bases. Although his own career is clearly one of

successful leadership of gov related organisation

>

> The divorce in 1980 also fits the Mercury rulership of eighth house, as it was

time of Jup Mer DASA and Mercury rules eight fromScorpio, whilst due to malefic

ketu in eighth house we look to dasa of eighths dispositor in navamsa to find

dasa ruling at time of divorce, and L8 mercury is in sign of Jupiter navamsa,

reinforcing that Jup mer is a good dasa correlation for divorce.

> He adopted children of his first wife, and second wife, and Saturn aspecting

Jupiter, karaka for children would give this potential.

> Saturn is retro shows harm to education, which I don't think he excelled at or

took to happily, thus harming his further ed though not destroying it

altogether.

>

> I haven't studied charts of those imprisoned but if you set up a chart for 12

56 and if asc is Scorpio with deb Mars in ninth it gives Cap navamsa with deb

Jupiter with Venus (Venus L12 of confinement in rasi), and Mars with ketu in Sag

navamsa opposite Saturn with Rahu In Gemini navamsa.

> Using rasi tulya method, Mars L1 would then be with Rahu (ropes) showing

bondage, while Venus L12 would be with Saturn in fourth house in rasi showing

domestic sphere of confinement or prison, especially due to Saturn showing

confined to home.

> best wishes

> M

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron

He has Saturn aspecting lagna which limits size, and expansion of Jupiter. Also

Saturn is Shasha Mahapurusha Yoga (Saturn in Kendra, exalted or in own sign)

which gives a brave disposition. Mars is neecha so cancels the debilitation, and

with dispositor Moon in third house of courage this negates any loss of courage

the debilitated Mars would otherwise have brought, had it not be Neecha Bangha

Yoga. Saturn also rules third of courage, and aspects tenth showing he applies

such courage in action. Also, due to Moon in third, I would say thi shows his

mind is always focussed on couragous exploits. It shows he earns money through

displays of courage which will increase throughout life due to upachaya nature

of third house.

 

Not only that, Moon is L9 -- fame--and it's position in third of courage, gives

fame due to courage, similarly, as I said earlier, Moon also describes the canal

route he was born near, and translates as a very world renowned famous canal,

which the Panama is.

I like the fact that Sag is on second cusp as Sag rules military, and shows his

family have strong military connections, which they do. Jupiter ruler of Sag on

second of family, is aspecting Mars L1 also, adding to his military knowledge

and strategy, inherited from his family, and enhancing Martian military

qualities.

With Mars aspecting Moon a pitta imbalance is there offsetting the kapha

disposition, and Saturn adds vata to the mix?

best wishes M

best wishes

M

 

 

 

-

RonDay

Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:15 AM

Re: Re: US Presidential Election_Critical_Analysis

 

 

Dear Marg,

 

WOW! Just when we thought the BT was narrowed to only 2 ascendants.

Thanks for your input.

I would need some time to digest what you have written but on first

glance there would be a predominance of kapha in the physiology for this

ascendant. He would look more like a sumo wrestler.

 

Another point is that with Moon in the 3H and 6L Mars debilitated he may

not be that courageous. He has a lot of fighting power.

 

Ron

 

Marg wrote:

> Dear Jyotish group

> I took a look at McCain's chart today after learning he had a biopsy on his

right cheek to check for Cancer.

> Taurus is face and would have to be below asc if the right cheek has marks

or moles on it, and Jupiter would give such a mole during it's dasa, due to

aspecting Taurus. this would mean that for right face to be marked in this way

only Scorpio, Sag, Cap, Aq, Pisces Aries or Taurus can be ascendants at his

birth.

>

> I think he suits Scorpio asc due to 'puffiness 'of features as he grows

older.

>

> Rahu in second house would also give malefic disease on face, and Rahu in

second house would give potential for massive disruption to early education

evidenced in him attending over 20 schools as his father moved around from base

to base.

> Virgo on eleventh house indicates honours from service which he clearly

merits, and is shown by Mercury in own house, alongside Venus. Mars in ninth

also reinforces this position of honour A planet is in debilitation but with

bright rays, or retrograde, and occupies favourable positions (Phala Deepika

7/3) mean a person attains a position equivalent to a ruler, and holds all the

insignia of royalty.

>

> Mars occupying Cancer gives shrapnel blast to chest, and aspect on Capricorn

gives shrapnel blast on legs, pity I couldn't find out which side of chest and

legs he was shot at.

>

> Second house has to connect to Mars if a uniform is worn and Jupiter ruler

of second aspects Mars in ninth, satisfying use of military medals, what I also

find humorous is he is very superstitious and carries lucky charms which planets

occupying ninth can often influence. Mars in Cancer opposite Moon shows military

career and reputations connected to sea/naval activity.

>

> Moon in third house shows birth near and living near the canal, as third is

house of transport routes, and John was born near the Panama canal, also a major

and most important route to Panama. Dispositor of third and moon is in fourth

notice, so emphasising the sea route near his home at birth.

>

> Father is commander of great government organisation due to Sun in Leo in

tenth house (apologies to those who ninth for father) and Moon in sixth from

tenth gives service via naval bases. Although his own career is clearly one of

successful leadership of gov related organisation

>

> The divorce in 1980 also fits the Mercury rulership of eighth house, as it

was time of Jup Mer DASA and Mercury rules eight fromScorpio, whilst due to

malefic ketu in eighth house we look to dasa of eighths dispositor in navamsa to

find dasa ruling at time of divorce, and L8 mercury is in sign of Jupiter

navamsa, reinforcing that Jup mer is a good dasa correlation for divorce.

> He adopted children of his first wife, and second wife, and Saturn aspecting

Jupiter, karaka for children would give this potential.

> Saturn is retro shows harm to education, which I don't think he excelled at

or took to happily, thus harming his further ed though not destroying it

altogether.

>

> I haven't studied charts of those imprisoned but if you set up a chart for

12 56 and if asc is Scorpio with deb Mars in ninth it gives Cap navamsa with deb

Jupiter with Venus (Venus L12 of confinement in rasi), and Mars with ketu in Sag

navamsa opposite Saturn with Rahu In Gemini navamsa.

> Using rasi tulya method, Mars L1 would then be with Rahu (ropes) showing

bondage, while Venus L12 would be with Saturn in fourth house in rasi showing

domestic sphere of confinement or prison, especially due to Saturn showing

confined to home.

> best wishes

> M

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