Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into the ashtottari scheme! Have you thought about that and would you care to share your thoughts? Rohiniranjan , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Vinay ji > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha chart. > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- chalita, > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in Raashi- > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 degrees > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > independently''. > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30 > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > horizon''. > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please explain > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi Chakra?. > And how is half of it below horizon. > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees(elliptic) > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article or > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as so > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your view > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the > same. > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is > purely your choice. > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical manifestation > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you are > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more polite > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after seeing > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > Thanks > Pradeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according to a well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a HOD of Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore most of the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. If you are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the eastern end of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly applying to horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must have tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis which are so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to understand them. (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in terms of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult even after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give you more votes, but it will destroy shaastras. (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you interested only in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to stop me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your choice. " You say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom you do not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and tail are yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud in your eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the computations of Vinay Jha. " If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being carried on at the forum of Chandra Hari's students (/message/17334), there was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a chance to counter!! (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " Tomorrow, someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of Hindus as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. Research in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods to find out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to find out accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It is not possible to please everyone. Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 or http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/National+Astrology+%3A+Medini+Jyotisha Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient techniques. But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, like me. -Vinay Jha ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > the ashtottari scheme! > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your thoughts? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > chart. > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > chalita, > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > Raashi- > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > degrees > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > independently''. > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30 > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > horizon''. > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > explain > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > Chakra?. > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees(elliptic) > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article > or > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as > so > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > view > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the > > same. > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is > > purely your choice. > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > manifestation > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > are > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > polite > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > seeing > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Rohiniranjan jee, I saw your mail to someone Vijay jee whom I do not know, but the matter suggested it was addressed to me. You are perfectly correct in suggesting " the basic framework was so uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into the ashtottari scheme! " Your saying applies to bha-chakra, but the bhaava-chalit-chakra applies to the ecliptic which is elliptical. Both are equally ancient and equally valid. this is proven by Suryasiddhanta and BPHS. Elaboration will require a detailed mathematical article, which I will certainly write someday. Mathematical astrology (siddhanta) is my forte. Regards, VJ , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > the ashtottari scheme! > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your thoughts? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > chart. > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > chalita, > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > Raashi- > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > degrees > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > independently''. > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30 > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > horizon''. > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > explain > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > Chakra?. > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees(elliptic) > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article > or > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as > so > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > view > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the > > same. > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is > > purely your choice. > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > manifestation > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > are > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > polite > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > seeing > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Dear Vinay Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you mention please? : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the computations of Vinay Jha. " Thanks Margaret - vinayjhaa16 Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according to a well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a HOD of Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore most of the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. If you are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the eastern end of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly applying to horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must have tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis which are so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to understand them. (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in terms of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult even after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give you more votes, but it will destroy shaastras. (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you interested only in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to stop me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your choice. " You say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom you do not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and tail are yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud in your eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the computations of Vinay Jha. " If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being carried on at the forum of Chandra Hari's students (/message/17334), there was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a chance to counter!! (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " Tomorrow, someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of Hindus as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. Research in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods to find out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to find out accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It is not possible to please everyone. Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 or http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/National+Astrology+%3A+Medini+Jyotisha Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient techniques. But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, like me. -Vinay Jha ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > the ashtottari scheme! > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your thoughts? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > chart. > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > chalita, > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > Raashi- > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > degrees > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > independently''. > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30 > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > horizon''. > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > explain > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > Chakra?. > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees(elliptic) > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article > or > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as > so > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > view > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the > > same. > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is > > purely your choice. > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > manifestation > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > are > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > polite > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > seeing > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were cited from my own profile at http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vinay+Jha On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s+Report%3B+%26+my+Paper+accepted+by\ +CAOS%2C+IISc My scientific research paper at : http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/A+New+approach+to+Rain+Forecasting?t=anon Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, India) can be viewed at : http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into English as soon as I get time. A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now I hope more more people may get interested. You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and English papers will be published provided they qualify as research paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the university or by email to me. -Vinay Jha ============ ================ , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Vinay > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you mention please? > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > computations of Vinay Jha. " > Thanks > Margaret > > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according to a > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a HOD of > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore most of > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. If you > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the eastern end > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly applying to > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must have > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis which are > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to understand them. > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in terms > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult even > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give you more > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you interested only > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to stop > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your choice. " You > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom you do > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and tail are > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud in your > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being carried on > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > (/message/17334), there > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > chance to counter!! > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " Tomorrow, > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of Hindus > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. Research > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods to find > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to find out > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It is not > possible to please everyone. > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 > or > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/National+Astrology+%3A+Medini+Jyotisha > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient techniques. > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, like me. > > -Vinay Jha > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your thoughts? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > chart. > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > chalita, > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > Raashi- > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > degrees > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > > independently''. > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30 > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > > horizon''. > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > explain > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > Chakra?. > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees(elliptic) > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article > > or > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as > > so > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > > view > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the > > > same. > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > manifestation > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > > are > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > polite > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > seeing > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Thank you - vinayjhaa16 Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were cited from my own profile at http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vinay+Jha On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s+Report%3B+%26+my+Paper+accepted+by\ +CAOS%2C+IISc My scientific research paper at : http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/A+New+approach+to+Rain+Forecasting?t=anon Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, India) can be viewed at : http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into English as soon as I get time. A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now I hope more more people may get interested. You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and English papers will be published provided they qualify as research paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the university or by email to me. -Vinay Jha ============ ================ , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Vinay > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you mention please? > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > computations of Vinay Jha. " > Thanks > Margaret > > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according to a > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a HOD of > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore most of > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. If you > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the eastern end > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly applying to > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must have > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis which are > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to understand them. > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in terms > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult even > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give you more > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you interested only > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to stop > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your choice. " You > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom you do > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and tail are > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud in your > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being carried on > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > (/message/17334), there > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > chance to counter!! > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " Tomorrow, > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of Hindus > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. Research > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods to find > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to find out > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It is not > possible to please everyone. > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 > or > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/National+Astrology+%3A+Medini+Jyotisha > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient techniques. > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, like me. > > -Vinay Jha > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your thoughts? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > chart. > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > chalita, > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > Raashi- > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > degrees > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > > independently''. > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30 > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > > horizon''. > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > explain > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > Chakra?. > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees(elliptic) > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article > > or > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as > > so > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > > view > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the > > > same. > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > manifestation > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > > are > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > polite > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > seeing > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear Vinay I took some time to look at your monsoon study but can't find any reference to say Moon, Venus or any others planetary factors which would deem it an astrological study? If it is based upon panchangs then did you find some kind of constellational coincidence with perhaps the wave form or the intensity? Also did you arrive at any conclusions as usually these are also in such documents perhaps these are on a different page. Clearly your study is rigorous which is why I would like to understand more of it kind regards Marg - vinayjhaa16 Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were cited from my own profile at http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vinay+Jha On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s+Report%3B+%26+my+Paper+accepted+by\ +CAOS%2C+IISc My scientific research paper at : http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/A+New+approach+to+Rain+Forecasting?t=anon Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, India) can be viewed at : http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into English as soon as I get time. A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now I hope more more people may get interested. You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and English papers will be published provided they qualify as research paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the university or by email to me. -Vinay Jha ============ ================ , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Vinay > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you mention please? > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > computations of Vinay Jha. " > Thanks > Margaret > > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according to a > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a HOD of > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore most of > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. If you > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the eastern end > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly applying to > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must have > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis which are > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to understand them. > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in terms > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult even > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give you more > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you interested only > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to stop > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your choice. " You > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom you do > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and tail are > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud in your > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being carried on > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > (/message/17334), there > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > chance to counter!! > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " Tomorrow, > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of Hindus > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. Research > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods to find > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to find out > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It is not > possible to please everyone. > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 > or > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/National+Astrology+%3A+Medini+Jyotisha > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient techniques. > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, like me. > > -Vinay Jha > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your thoughts? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > chart. > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > chalita, > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > Raashi- > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > degrees > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > > independently''. > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30 > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > > horizon''. > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > explain > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > Chakra?. > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees(elliptic) > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article > > or > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as > > so > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > > view > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the > > > same. > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > manifestation > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > > are > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > polite > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > seeing > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 The monsoon study you saw was sent to 615 weather scientists and was written for them, not for astrologers. Do you expect me to send astrological essays to weather scientists? None of my studies are based on any panchangas, although many panchangas are based on my works, as my profoile informs. I've never been able to disclose the underlying methodology behind my studies, because whenever I tried to explains, I was abused and humiliated for using anachronistic out-of-world approach. Unfortunately, only this out-of-world approach works, as has been certified by many top scientists, but they cannot tolerate the method which is clearly based on astronomy. If you interested in underlying principles, give me your email ID, through which I may send a sample of original files on which my paper was based. Sincerely, -VJ ============= ================ , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Vinay > I took some time to look at your monsoon study but can't find any reference to say Moon, Venus or any others planetary factors which would deem it an astrological study? If it is based upon panchangs then did you find some kind of constellational coincidence with perhaps the wave form or the intensity? > Also did you arrive at any conclusions as usually these are also in such documents perhaps these are on a different page. Clearly your study is rigorous which is why I would like to understand more of it > kind regards Marg > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were > cited from my own profile at > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vinay+Jha > > On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s+Report%3B+%26+my+Paper+accepted+by\ +CAOS%2C+IISc > > My scientific research paper at : > http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/A+New+approach+to+Rain+Forecasting?t=anon > > Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept > of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, > India) can be viewed at : > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 > > Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into > English as soon as I get time. > > A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of > them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. > > I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now > I hope more more people may get interested. > > You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a > new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University > (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and > English papers will be published provided they qualify as research > paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the > university or by email to me. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ================ > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay > > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you > mention please? > > > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > Thanks > > Margaret > > > > - > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according to a > > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a HOD of > > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore most of > > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. If you > > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the eastern end > > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly applying to > > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must have > > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis which are > > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to > understand them. > > > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in terms > > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult even > > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give you more > > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you interested only > > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to stop > > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your choice. " You > > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom you do > > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and tail are > > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud in your > > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept > > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being carried on > > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > > > (/message/17334), there > > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > > chance to counter!! > > > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " Tomorrow, > > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of Hindus > > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. Research > > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods to find > > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to find out > > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It is not > > possible to please everyone. > > > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 > > or > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/National+Astrology+%3A+Medini+Jyotisha > > > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient techniques. > > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, > like me. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your > thoughts? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > > chart. > > > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > > chalita, > > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > > Raashi- > > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > > degrees > > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > > > independently''. > > > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is > approximately 30 > > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > > > horizon''. > > > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > > explain > > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > > Chakra?. > > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 > degrees(elliptic) > > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same > article > > > or > > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' > which > > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree > delineation > > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider > them as > > > so > > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > > > view > > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking > about the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars > which is > > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > > manifestation > > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence > or the > > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > > > are > > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to > draw > > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. > But > > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri > Krishna. > > > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > > polite > > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > > seeing > > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , > if one > > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 HI Vinay you ask 'Do you expect me to send astrological essays to weather scientists?' Of course not, BUT I'm sure you understand I DO expect you to have some astrological foundation to impart if sending such research to a group of astrologers? Thanks for your offer to send the info privately, and if there are any astrological foundations to be gained from reading the research then of course I would be interested to read it. kind regards M - vinayjhaa16 Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:40 PM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? The monsoon study you saw was sent to 615 weather scientists and was written for them, not for astrologers. Do you expect me to send astrological essays to weather scientists? None of my studies are based on any panchangas, although many panchangas are based on my works, as my profoile informs. I've never been able to disclose the underlying methodology behind my studies, because whenever I tried to explains, I was abused and humiliated for using anachronistic out-of-world approach. Unfortunately, only this out-of-world approach works, as has been certified by many top scientists, but they cannot tolerate the method which is clearly based on astronomy. If you interested in underlying principles, give me your email ID, through which I may send a sample of original files on which my paper was based. Sincerely, -VJ ============= ================ , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Vinay > I took some time to look at your monsoon study but can't find any reference to say Moon, Venus or any others planetary factors which would deem it an astrological study? If it is based upon panchangs then did you find some kind of constellational coincidence with perhaps the wave form or the intensity? > Also did you arrive at any conclusions as usually these are also in such documents perhaps these are on a different page. Clearly your study is rigorous which is why I would like to understand more of it > kind regards Marg > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were > cited from my own profile at > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vinay+Jha > > On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s+Report%3B+%26+my+Paper+accepted+by\ +CAOS%2C+IISc > > My scientific research paper at : > http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/A+New+approach+to+Rain+Forecasting?t=anon > > Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept > of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, > India) can be viewed at : > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 > > Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into > English as soon as I get time. > > A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of > them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. > > I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now > I hope more more people may get interested. > > You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a > new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University > (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and > English papers will be published provided they qualify as research > paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the > university or by email to me. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ================ > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay > > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you > mention please? > > > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > Thanks > > Margaret > > > > - > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according to a > > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a HOD of > > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore most of > > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. If you > > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the eastern end > > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly applying to > > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must have > > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis which are > > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to > understand them. > > > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in terms > > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult even > > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give you more > > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you interested only > > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to stop > > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your choice. " You > > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom you do > > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and tail are > > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud in your > > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept > > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being carried on > > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > > > (/message/17334), there > > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > > chance to counter!! > > > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " Tomorrow, > > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of Hindus > > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. Research > > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods to find > > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to find out > > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It is not > > possible to please everyone. > > > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 > > or > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/National+Astrology+%3A+Medini+Jyotisha > > > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient techniques. > > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, > like me. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your > thoughts? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > > chart. > > > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > > chalita, > > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > > Raashi- > > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > > degrees > > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > > > independently''. > > > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is > approximately 30 > > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > > > horizon''. > > > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > > explain > > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > > Chakra?. > > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 > degrees(elliptic) > > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same > article > > > or > > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' > which > > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree > delineation > > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider > them as > > > so > > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > > > view > > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking > about the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars > which is > > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > > manifestation > > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence > or the > > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > > > are > > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to > draw > > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. > But > > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri > Krishna. > > > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > > polite > > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > > seeing > > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , > if one > > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Margie9@ : Following is my rejoinder to Mr Rohiniranjan 's comments today, which are related to the methodology behind my rain forecasts : Rohiniranjan jee has raised a good point . I have devoted most of my time to mundane and individual natal horoscopy. In mundane astrology ( Medini Jyotish, medini>mendi( n)i>mundi, mundane, monde) so far I found no proof of the large number of yogas which affect individuals. But general rules work the same in mundane astrology, like sthaan-parivartana relation, denitions of benefic or malefic, etc. But I work on mundane astrology according to ancient tantric chakras described in Yaamala tantras, Puranas and Narapatijayacharya, casting horoscopes at fixed nodal points on Earth and analysing the raashi-chakra and bhaavachalita according to BPHS, neglecting all divisionals (D2-D60), vimshottari & c, ashtakavarga, varshaphala, etc which are of no use in mundane astrology. I know two nodal points which give foolproof results, one for world, another for India. There may be other nodal points, perhaps 7 in total, six of which I have failed to locate so far due to lack of requisite data in proper format. -VJ ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:04:28 PM Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? HI Vinay you ask 'Do you expect me to send astrological essays to weather scientists?' Of course not, BUT I'm sure you understand I DO expect you to have some astrological foundation to impart if sending such research to a group of astrologers? Thanks for your offer to send the info privately, and if there are any astrological foundations to be gained from reading the research then of course I would be interested to read it. kind regards M - vinayjhaa16 Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:40 PM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? The monsoon study you saw was sent to 615 weather scientists and was written for them, not for astrologers. Do you expect me to send astrological essays to weather scientists? None of my studies are based on any panchangas, although many panchangas are based on my works, as my profoile informs. I've never been able to disclose the underlying methodology behind my studies, because whenever I tried to explains, I was abused and humiliated for using anachronistic out-of-world approach. Unfortunately, only this out-of-world approach works, as has been certified by many top scientists, but they cannot tolerate the method which is clearly based on astronomy. If you interested in underlying principles, give me your email ID, through which I may send a sample of original files on which my paper was based. Sincerely, -VJ ============ = ============ ==== , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Vinay > I took some time to look at your monsoon study but can't find any reference to say Moon, Venus or any others planetary factors which would deem it an astrological study? If it is based upon panchangs then did you find some kind of constellational coincidence with perhaps the wave form or the intensity? > Also did you arrive at any conclusions as usually these are also in such documents perhaps these are on a different page. Clearly your study is rigorous which is why I would like to understand more of it > kind regards Marg > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were > cited from my own profile at > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s+ Report%3B+ %26+my+Paper+ accepted+ by+CAOS%2C+ IISc > > My scientific research paper at : > http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing?t=anon > > Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept > of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, > India) can be viewed at : > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into > English as soon as I get time. > > A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of > them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. > > I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now > I hope more more people may get interested. > > You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a > new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University > (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and > English papers will be published provided they qualify as research > paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the > university or by email to me. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ============ ==== > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay > > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you > mention please? > > > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > Thanks > > Margaret > > > > - > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according to a > > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a HOD of > > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore most of > > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. If you > > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the eastern end > > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly applying to > > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must have > > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis which are > > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to > understand them. > > > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in terms > > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult even > > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give you more > > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you interested only > > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to stop > > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your choice. " You > > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom you do > > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and tail are > > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud in your > > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept > > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being carried on > > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > > > (http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17334), there > > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > > chance to counter!! > > > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " Tomorrow, > > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of Hindus > > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. Research > > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods to find > > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to find out > > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It is not > > possible to please everyone. > > > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > or > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ National+ Astrology+ %3A+Medini+ Jyotisha > > > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient techniques. > > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, > like me. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your > thoughts? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > > chart. > > > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > > chalita, > > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > > Raashi- > > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > > degrees > > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > > > independently' '. > > > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is > approximately 30 > > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > > > horizon''. > > > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > > explain > > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > > Chakra?. > > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 > degrees(elliptic) > > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same > article > > > or > > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' > which > > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree > delineation > > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider > them as > > > so > > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > > > view > > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking > about the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars > which is > > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > > manifestation > > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence > or the > > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > > > are > > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to > draw > > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. > But > > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri > Krishna. > > > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > > polite > > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > > seeing > > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , > if one > > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Hi Vinay Not sure how this connects to what was said before? However, as Rohini states yes only rasi chart seems appropriate for use in mundane astrol. When nodal points are referred to do you mean moon nodes or planet nodes? Thanks M - Vinay Jha Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:13 AM Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? Margie9@ : Following is my rejoinder to Mr Rohiniranjan 's comments today, which are related to the methodology behind my rain forecasts : Rohiniranjan jee has raised a good point . I have devoted most of my time to mundane and individual natal horoscopy. In mundane astrology ( Medini Jyotish, medini>mendi( n)i>mundi, mundane, monde) so far I found no proof of the large number of yogas which affect individuals. But general rules work the same in mundane astrology, like sthaan-parivartana relation, denitions of benefic or malefic, etc. But I work on mundane astrology according to ancient tantric chakras described in Yaamala tantras, Puranas and Narapatijayacharya, casting horoscopes at fixed nodal points on Earth and analysing the raashi-chakra and bhaavachalita according to BPHS, neglecting all divisionals (D2-D60), vimshottari & c, ashtakavarga, varshaphala, etc which are of no use in mundane astrology. I know two nodal points which give foolproof results, one for world, another for India. There may be other nodal points, perhaps 7 in total, six of which I have failed to locate so far due to lack of requisite data in proper format. -VJ ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:04:28 PM Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? HI Vinay you ask 'Do you expect me to send astrological essays to weather scientists?' Of course not, BUT I'm sure you understand I DO expect you to have some astrological foundation to impart if sending such research to a group of astrologers? Thanks for your offer to send the info privately, and if there are any astrological foundations to be gained from reading the research then of course I would be interested to read it. kind regards M - vinayjhaa16 Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:40 PM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? The monsoon study you saw was sent to 615 weather scientists and was written for them, not for astrologers. Do you expect me to send astrological essays to weather scientists? None of my studies are based on any panchangas, although many panchangas are based on my works, as my profoile informs. I've never been able to disclose the underlying methodology behind my studies, because whenever I tried to explains, I was abused and humiliated for using anachronistic out-of-world approach. Unfortunately, only this out-of-world approach works, as has been certified by many top scientists, but they cannot tolerate the method which is clearly based on astronomy. If you interested in underlying principles, give me your email ID, through which I may send a sample of original files on which my paper was based. Sincerely, -VJ ============ = ============ ==== , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Vinay > I took some time to look at your monsoon study but can't find any reference to say Moon, Venus or any others planetary factors which would deem it an astrological study? If it is based upon panchangs then did you find some kind of constellational coincidence with perhaps the wave form or the intensity? > Also did you arrive at any conclusions as usually these are also in such documents perhaps these are on a different page. Clearly your study is rigorous which is why I would like to understand more of it > kind regards Marg > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were > cited from my own profile at > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s+ Report%3B+ %26+my+Paper+ accepted+ by+CAOS%2C+ IISc > > My scientific research paper at : > http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing?t=anon > > Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept > of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, > India) can be viewed at : > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into > English as soon as I get time. > > A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of > them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. > > I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now > I hope more more people may get interested. > > You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a > new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University > (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and > English papers will be published provided they qualify as research > paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the > university or by email to me. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ ============ ==== > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay > > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you > mention please? > > > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > Thanks > > Margaret > > > > - > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according to a > > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a HOD of > > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore most of > > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. If you > > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the eastern end > > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly applying to > > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must have > > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis which are > > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to > understand them. > > > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in terms > > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult even > > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give you more > > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you interested only > > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to stop > > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your choice. " You > > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom you do > > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and tail are > > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud in your > > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept > > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work on four > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according to the > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being carried on > > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > > > (http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17334), there > > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > > chance to counter!! > > > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " Tomorrow, > > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of Hindus > > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. Research > > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods to find > > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to find out > > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It is not > > possible to please everyone. > > > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > or > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ National+ Astrology+ %3A+Medini+ Jyotisha > > > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient techniques. > > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, > like me. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your > thoughts? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > > chart. > > > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > > chalita, > > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > > Raashi- > > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > > degrees > > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > > > independently' '. > > > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is > approximately 30 > > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > > > horizon''. > > > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > > explain > > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > > Chakra?. > > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 > degrees(elliptic) > > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same > article > > > or > > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' > which > > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree > delineation > > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider > them as > > > so > > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > > > view > > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking > about the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars > which is > > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > > manifestation > > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence > or the > > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > > > are > > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to > draw > > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. > But > > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri > Krishna. > > > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > > polite > > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > > seeing > > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , > if one > > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Margie9@ : For whole world's astrological node, see http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 Ptolemy, in Tetrabiblos, had pointed towards eastern Mediterranean or westernmost Asia as world's astrological node, but he had no idea of southern lands of Earth. Hence, if correct geography is applied, Ptolemy's world-node will shift southwards. Then, it occurred to me that two ancient astrological texts of India clearly mention that Mt Meru is situated on the surface of Earth in its middle (ie, equator). Looking southwards from Ptolemy's node, I found a town Meru at the foot of Mt Kenya. Using ancient methods of Jyotisha, I experimented with hundreds of world horoscopes made from Mt Kenya at the time of sidereal beginning of Aries (according to Suryasiddhanta, which differed from modern physical astronomical value by ~13 hours), and in all cases found the astrological outcome to be true. But if we use physical astronomy in above analysis, results are almost always wrong. In individual horoscopy, a diggerence of half a degree does not produce much error, but in mundane astrology, a difference of 13 hours means a difference of 6-7 signs. See http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 for the location of world-node in an article by a current HOD of Jyotisha. Similarly, Vidisha near Bhopal is India's node. It is a regional node. There must be six other regional nodes according to ancient texts. I took the term " node " from some Western authors who looked for such nodes in Egypt, Greeece and elsewhere. It is a vast topic, but neglected. I got many of my forecasts and related works verified by topmost scientists of NASA, IISc, etc, who did not know that the method was esoteric. Please do not tell this fact to scientists, because they hate astrology, and will stop looking at my rain forecasts. -Vinay Jha ======================================= ============= , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Hi Vinay > Not sure how this connects to what was said before? > However, as Rohini states yes only rasi chart seems appropriate for use in mundane astrol. When nodal points are referred to do you mean moon nodes or planet nodes? > Thanks > M > - > Vinay Jha > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:13 AM > Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Margie9@ : > > Following is my rejoinder to Mr Rohiniranjan 's comments today, which are related to the methodology behind my rain forecasts : > > Rohiniranjan jee has raised a good point . I have devoted most of my time to mundane and individual natal horoscopy. In mundane astrology ( Medini Jyotish, medini>mendi( n)i>mundi, mundane, monde) so far > I found no proof of the large number of yogas which affect individuals. > But general rules work the same in mundane astrology, like > sthaan-parivartana relation, denitions of benefic or malefic, etc. But > I work on mundane astrology according to ancient tantric chakras > described in Yaamala tantras, Puranas and Narapatijayacharya, casting > horoscopes at fixed nodal points on Earth and analysing the raashi-chakra and bhaavachalita according to > BPHS, neglecting all divisionals (D2-D60), vimshottari & c, > ashtakavarga, varshaphala, etc which are of no use in mundane > astrology. I know two nodal points which give foolproof results, one > for world, another for India. There may be other nodal points, perhaps > 7 in total, six of which I have failed to locate so far due > to lack of requisite data in proper format. > > -VJ > > ________________________________ > Marg <margie9 > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:04:28 PM > Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > HI Vinay > you ask 'Do you expect me to send > astrological essays to weather scientists?' > Of course not, BUT I'm sure you understand I DO expect you to have some astrological foundation > to impart if sending such research to a group of astrologers? > Thanks for your offer to send the info privately, and if there are any astrological foundations to be gained > from reading the research then of course I would be interested to read it. > kind regards > M > > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:40 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > The monsoon study you saw was sent to 615 weather scientists and was > written for them, not for astrologers. Do you expect me to send > astrological essays to weather scientists? > > None of my studies are based on any panchangas, although many > panchangas are based on my works, as my profoile informs. > > I've never been able to disclose the underlying methodology behind my > studies, because whenever I tried to explains, I was abused and > humiliated for using anachronistic out-of-world approach. > Unfortunately, only this out-of-world approach works, as has been > certified by many top scientists, but they cannot tolerate the method > which is clearly based on astronomy. > > If you interested in underlying principles, give me your email ID, > through which I may send a sample of original files on which my paper > was based. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ > ============ = ============ ==== > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay > > I took some time to look at your monsoon study but can't find any > reference to say Moon, Venus or any others planetary factors which > would deem it an astrological study? If it is based upon panchangs > then did you find some kind of constellational coincidence with > perhaps the wave form or the intensity? > > Also did you arrive at any conclusions as usually these are also in > such documents perhaps these are on a different page. Clearly your > study is rigorous which is why I would like to understand more of it > > kind regards Marg > > - > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were > > cited from my own profile at > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > > > On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s+ Report%3B+ %26+my+Paper+ accepted+ by+CAOS%2C+ IISc > > > > My scientific research paper at : > > > http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing?t=anon > > > > Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept > > of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, > > India) can be viewed at : > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > > > Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into > > English as soon as I get time. > > > > A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of > > them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. > > > > I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now > > I hope more more people may get interested. > > > > You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a > > new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University > > (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and > > English papers will be published provided they qualify as research > > paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the > > university or by email to me. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ============ ==== > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay > > > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you > > mention please? > > > > > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work > on four > > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according > to the > > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > Thanks > > > Margaret > > > > > > - > > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > > > > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > > > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > > > > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according > to a > > > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > > > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a > HOD of > > > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > > > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore > most of > > > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > > > > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > > > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. > If you > > > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > > > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the > eastern end > > > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > > > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > > > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly > applying to > > > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > > > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must > have > > > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis > which are > > > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to > > understand them. > > > > > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > > > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > > > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in > terms > > > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult > even > > > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > > > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give > you more > > > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > > > > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > > > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you > interested only > > > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to > stop > > > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > > > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > > > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your > choice. " You > > > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > > > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > > > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > > > > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom > you do > > > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > > > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and > tail are > > > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud > in your > > > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > > > > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of > Dept > > > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > > > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > > > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > > > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of > Jyotisha , > > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work > on four > > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according > to the > > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > > > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > > > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > > > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being > carried on > > > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > > > > > > (http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17334), there > > > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > > > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > > > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > > > chance to counter!! > > > > > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " > Tomorrow, > > > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of > Hindus > > > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > > > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. > Research > > > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods > to find > > > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to > find out > > > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It > is not > > > possible to please everyone. > > > > > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > > > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > > > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > > or > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ National+ Astrology+ %3A+Medini+ Jyotisha > > > > > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > > > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > > > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > > > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > > > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > > > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > > > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient > techniques. > > > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > > > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, > > like me. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework > was so > > > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or > short > > > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are > precisely of > > > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs > into > > > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava > chalitha. > > > > > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha > etc are > > > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > > > chalita, > > > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > > > Raashi- > > > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > > > degrees > > > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are > reckoned > > > > > independently' '. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is > > approximately 30 > > > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains > below the > > > > > horizon''. > > > > > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > > > explain > > > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > > > Chakra?. > > > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 > > degrees(elliptic) > > > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same > > article > > > > or > > > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' > > which > > > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree > > delineation > > > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider > > them as > > > > so > > > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in > your > > > > view > > > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking > > about the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have > copied and > > > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars > > which is > > > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > > > manifestation > > > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence > > or the > > > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. > But you > > > > are > > > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to > > draw > > > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are > they two > > > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. > > But > > > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > > > polite > > > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > > > seeing > > > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , > > if one > > > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 HI Vinay Yes I read Mt Meru is supposed to be the highest one in the world. I think it's Brihat Samhita isn't it, that mentions this? When you say you set up world horoscopes and 'found them coming true,' what exactly did you predict would come true? Just took a look and I guess the events you tested are those listed in the article? So do you think this is the 'tortoise' which ancient seers say they used to predict world and weather affairs? Have you got a similar mapping using the nakshatras as well? I once used the method of the tortoise for some event in the UK using the centre of the region as starting point and it did suggest some truth in the use of the tortoise method, though I probably didn't use it entirely as an expert would. I knew that this region had the centre at that spot also, but didn't call it a world node. I think the 'node' for Tibetan region is Mount Kylash which has four main rivers flowing in the compass directions of N S E W. The mountain is the engine of the weather patterns in that region. What I noticed after locating Mt Meru was that if that was Aries then have you seen where the Taurus mountains are located? Their location does concur with Aries being at Mt Meru. Did you also know that it was Atlas who first divided the heavens into twelve equal parts, though there is no way of knowing whether he was Greek or not. Yes I am interested in this research though wouldn't have time to give it the attention it deserves, especially as you say it need so many different charts to be set up. I'm still come to grips with astro meteorology principles for weather forecasting and combing nadi and tropical systems to do it! kind regards M best wishes M - vinayjhaa16 Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:05 PM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? Margie9@ : For whole world's astrological node, see http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 Ptolemy, in Tetrabiblos, had pointed towards eastern Mediterranean or westernmost Asia as world's astrological node, but he had no idea of southern lands of Earth. Hence, if correct geography is applied, Ptolemy's world-node will shift southwards. Then, it occurred to me that two ancient astrological texts of India clearly mention that Mt Meru is situated on the surface of Earth in its middle (ie, equator). Looking southwards from Ptolemy's node, I found a town Meru at the foot of Mt Kenya. Using ancient methods of Jyotisha, I experimented with hundreds of world horoscopes made from Mt Kenya at the time of sidereal beginning of Aries (according to Suryasiddhanta, which differed from modern physical astronomical value by ~13 hours), and in all cases found the astrological outcome to be true. But if we use physical astronomy in above analysis, results are almost always wrong. In individual horoscopy, a diggerence of half a degree does not produce much error, but in mundane astrology, a difference of 13 hours means a difference of 6-7 signs. See http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 for the location of world-node in an article by a current HOD of Jyotisha. Similarly, Vidisha near Bhopal is India's node. It is a regional node. There must be six other regional nodes according to ancient texts. I took the term " node " from some Western authors who looked for such nodes in Egypt, Greeece and elsewhere. It is a vast topic, but neglected. I got many of my forecasts and related works verified by topmost scientists of NASA, IISc, etc, who did not know that the method was esoteric. Please do not tell this fact to scientists, because they hate astrology, and will stop looking at my rain forecasts. -Vinay Jha ======================================= ============= , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Hi Vinay > Not sure how this connects to what was said before? > However, as Rohini states yes only rasi chart seems appropriate for use in mundane astrol. When nodal points are referred to do you mean moon nodes or planet nodes? > Thanks > M > - > Vinay Jha > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:13 AM > Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Margie9@ : > > Following is my rejoinder to Mr Rohiniranjan 's comments today, which are related to the methodology behind my rain forecasts : > > Rohiniranjan jee has raised a good point . I have devoted most of my time to mundane and individual natal horoscopy. In mundane astrology ( Medini Jyotish, medini>mendi( n)i>mundi, mundane, monde) so far > I found no proof of the large number of yogas which affect individuals. > But general rules work the same in mundane astrology, like > sthaan-parivartana relation, denitions of benefic or malefic, etc. But > I work on mundane astrology according to ancient tantric chakras > described in Yaamala tantras, Puranas and Narapatijayacharya, casting > horoscopes at fixed nodal points on Earth and analysing the raashi-chakra and bhaavachalita according to > BPHS, neglecting all divisionals (D2-D60), vimshottari & c, > ashtakavarga, varshaphala, etc which are of no use in mundane > astrology. I know two nodal points which give foolproof results, one > for world, another for India. There may be other nodal points, perhaps > 7 in total, six of which I have failed to locate so far due > to lack of requisite data in proper format. > > -VJ > > ________________________________ > Marg <margie9 > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:04:28 PM > Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > HI Vinay > you ask 'Do you expect me to send > astrological essays to weather scientists?' > Of course not, BUT I'm sure you understand I DO expect you to have some astrological foundation > to impart if sending such research to a group of astrologers? > Thanks for your offer to send the info privately, and if there are any astrological foundations to be gained > from reading the research then of course I would be interested to read it. > kind regards > M > > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:40 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > The monsoon study you saw was sent to 615 weather scientists and was > written for them, not for astrologers. Do you expect me to send > astrological essays to weather scientists? > > None of my studies are based on any panchangas, although many > panchangas are based on my works, as my profoile informs. > > I've never been able to disclose the underlying methodology behind my > studies, because whenever I tried to explains, I was abused and > humiliated for using anachronistic out-of-world approach. > Unfortunately, only this out-of-world approach works, as has been > certified by many top scientists, but they cannot tolerate the method > which is clearly based on astronomy. > > If you interested in underlying principles, give me your email ID, > through which I may send a sample of original files on which my paper > was based. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ > ============ = ============ ==== > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay > > I took some time to look at your monsoon study but can't find any > reference to say Moon, Venus or any others planetary factors which > would deem it an astrological study? If it is based upon panchangs > then did you find some kind of constellational coincidence with > perhaps the wave form or the intensity? > > Also did you arrive at any conclusions as usually these are also in > such documents perhaps these are on a different page. Clearly your > study is rigorous which is why I would like to understand more of it > > kind regards Marg > > - > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were > > cited from my own profile at > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > > > On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s+ Report%3B+ %26+my+Paper+ accepted+ by+CAOS%2C+ IISc > > > > My scientific research paper at : > > > http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing?t=anon > > > > Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept > > of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, > > India) can be viewed at : > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > > > Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into > > English as soon as I get time. > > > > A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of > > them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. > > > > I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now > > I hope more more people may get interested. > > > > You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a > > new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University > > (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and > > English papers will be published provided they qualify as research > > paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the > > university or by email to me. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ============ ==== > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay > > > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you > > mention please? > > > > > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work > on four > > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according > to the > > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > Thanks > > > Margaret > > > > > > - > > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > > > > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > > > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > > > > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according > to a > > > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > > > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a > HOD of > > > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > > > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore > most of > > > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > > > > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > > > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. > If you > > > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > > > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the > eastern end > > > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > > > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > > > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly > applying to > > > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > > > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must > have > > > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis > which are > > > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to > > understand them. > > > > > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > > > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > > > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in > terms > > > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult > even > > > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > > > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give > you more > > > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > > > > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > > > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you > interested only > > > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to > stop > > > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > > > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > > > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your > choice. " You > > > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > > > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > > > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > > > > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom > you do > > > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > > > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and > tail are > > > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud > in your > > > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > > > > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of > Dept > > > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > > > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > > > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > > > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of > Jyotisha , > > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work > on four > > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according > to the > > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > > > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > > > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > > > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being > carried on > > > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > > > > > > (http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17334), there > > > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > > > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > > > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > > > chance to counter!! > > > > > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " > Tomorrow, > > > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of > Hindus > > > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > > > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. > Research > > > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods > to find > > > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to > find out > > > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It > is not > > > possible to please everyone. > > > > > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > > > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > > > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > > or > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ National+ Astrology+ %3A+Medini+ Jyotisha > > > > > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > > > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > > > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > > > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > > > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > > > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > > > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient > techniques. > > > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > > > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, > > like me. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework > was so > > > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or > short > > > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are > precisely of > > > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs > into > > > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava > chalitha. > > > > > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha > etc are > > > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > > > chalita, > > > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > > > Raashi- > > > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > > > degrees > > > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are > reckoned > > > > > independently' '. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is > > approximately 30 > > > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains > below the > > > > > horizon''. > > > > > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > > > explain > > > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > > > Chakra?. > > > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 > > degrees(elliptic) > > > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same > > article > > > > or > > > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' > > which > > > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree > > delineation > > > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider > > them as > > > > so > > > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in > your > > > > view > > > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking > > about the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have > copied and > > > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars > > which is > > > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > > > manifestation > > > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence > > or the > > > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. > But you > > > > are > > > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to > > draw > > > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are > they two > > > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. > > But > > > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > > > polite > > > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > > > seeing > > > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , > > if one > > > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 margie9@ : There is ~95% or more senseless mythology and ~5% science in ancient sources. Mt meru is said to be 80000 yojana high in Bhaagvata Purana, which Earth's diameter is only 1600 yojana according to Suryasiddhanta and less than 1100 yojanas according to Aryabhatoya ans Varaha Mihira. why Mt Meru was called highest mountain has another region has a reason which will need a separete book, dealing with explanation of ancient astronomy. There are 84 chakras in ancient astrological tantras, some of which are well known and used, but those used in mundane astrology were neglected during one millenium of hostile political environment. According to these ancient chakras, there must be eight nodes in the world, one central at Mt Meru, and seven for the socalled dvipas or varshas. Mt Kailash was confused with Mt Meru by some later authors. There are six levels of Tortoise chakra, five are well known. I have experimented with some of the ancient chakras in individual and mundane astrology and found them to be true, but I've not tested all of them due to workload. The nodes I mentioned have proven to be real in 100% cases, I've tested hundreds of mundane horoscopes without a single failure. If you are interested, I will try to translate the software itself, which will take some time, because I've other assignments as well. Sincerely, -VJ ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:57:35 PM Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? HI Vinay Yes I read Mt Meru is supposed to be the highest one in the world. I think it's Brihat Samhita isn't it, that mentions this? When you say you set up world horoscopes and 'found them coming true,' what exactly did you predict would come true? Just took a look and I guess the events you tested are those listed in the article? So do you think this is the 'tortoise' which ancient seers say they used to predict world and weather affairs? Have you got a similar mapping using the nakshatras as well? I once used the method of the tortoise for some event in the UK using the centre of the region as starting point and it did suggest some truth in the use of the tortoise method, though I probably didn't use it entirely as an expert would. I knew that this region had the centre at that spot also, but didn't call it a world node. I think the 'node' for Tibetan region is Mount Kylash which has four main rivers flowing in the compass directions of N S E W. The mountain is the engine of the weather patterns in that region. What I noticed after locating Mt Meru was that if that was Aries then have you seen where the Taurus mountains are located? Their location does concur with Aries being at Mt Meru. Did you also know that it was Atlas who first divided the heavens into twelve equal parts, though there is no way of knowing whether he was Greek or not. Yes I am interested in this research though wouldn't have time to give it the attention it deserves, especially as you say it need so many different charts to be set up. I'm still come to grips with astro meteorology principles for weather forecasting and combing nadi and tropical systems to do it! kind regards M best wishes M - vinayjhaa16 Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:05 PM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? Margie9@ : For whole world's astrological node, see http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 Ptolemy, in Tetrabiblos, had pointed towards eastern Mediterranean or westernmost Asia as world's astrological node, but he had no idea of southern lands of Earth. Hence, if correct geography is applied, Ptolemy's world-node will shift southwards. Then, it occurred to me that two ancient astrological texts of India clearly mention that Mt Meru is situated on the surface of Earth in its middle (ie, equator). Looking southwards from Ptolemy's node, I found a town Meru at the foot of Mt Kenya. Using ancient methods of Jyotisha, I experimented with hundreds of world horoscopes made from Mt Kenya at the time of sidereal beginning of Aries (according to Suryasiddhanta, which differed from modern physical astronomical value by ~13 hours), and in all cases found the astrological outcome to be true. But if we use physical astronomy in above analysis, results are almost always wrong. In individual horoscopy, a diggerence of half a degree does not produce much error, but in mundane astrology, a difference of 13 hours means a difference of 6-7 signs. See http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 for the location of world-node in an article by a current HOD of Jyotisha. Similarly, Vidisha near Bhopal is India's node. It is a regional node. There must be six other regional nodes according to ancient texts. I took the term " node " from some Western authors who looked for such nodes in Egypt, Greeece and elsewhere. It is a vast topic, but neglected. I got many of my forecasts and related works verified by topmost scientists of NASA, IISc, etc, who did not know that the method was esoteric. Please do not tell this fact to scientists, because they hate astrology, and will stop looking at my rain forecasts. -Vinay Jha ============ ========= ========= ========= ============ = , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Hi Vinay > Not sure how this connects to what was said before? > However, as Rohini states yes only rasi chart seems appropriate for use in mundane astrol. When nodal points are referred to do you mean moon nodes or planet nodes? > Thanks > M > - > Vinay Jha > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:13 AM > Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Margie9@ : > > Following is my rejoinder to Mr Rohiniranjan 's comments today, which are related to the methodology behind my rain forecasts : > > Rohiniranjan jee has raised a good point . I have devoted most of my time to mundane and individual natal horoscopy. In mundane astrology ( Medini Jyotish, medini>mendi( n)i>mundi, mundane, monde) so far > I found no proof of the large number of yogas which affect individuals. > But general rules work the same in mundane astrology, like > sthaan-parivartana relation, denitions of benefic or malefic, etc. But > I work on mundane astrology according to ancient tantric chakras > described in Yaamala tantras, Puranas and Narapatijayacharya, casting > horoscopes at fixed nodal points on Earth and analysing the raashi-chakra and bhaavachalita according to > BPHS, neglecting all divisionals (D2-D60), vimshottari & c, > ashtakavarga, varshaphala, etc which are of no use in mundane > astrology. I know two nodal points which give foolproof results, one > for world, another for India. There may be other nodal points, perhaps > 7 in total, six of which I have failed to locate so far due > to lack of requisite data in proper format. > > -VJ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:04:28 PM > Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > HI Vinay > you ask 'Do you expect me to send > astrological essays to weather scientists?' > Of course not, BUT I'm sure you understand I DO expect you to have some astrological foundation > to impart if sending such research to a group of astrologers? > Thanks for your offer to send the info privately, and if there are any astrological foundations to be gained > from reading the research then of course I would be interested to read it. > kind regards > M > > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:40 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > The monsoon study you saw was sent to 615 weather scientists and was > written for them, not for astrologers. Do you expect me to send > astrological essays to weather scientists? > > None of my studies are based on any panchangas, although many > panchangas are based on my works, as my profoile informs. > > I've never been able to disclose the underlying methodology behind my > studies, because whenever I tried to explains, I was abused and > humiliated for using anachronistic out-of-world approach. > Unfortunately, only this out-of-world approach works, as has been > certified by many top scientists, but they cannot tolerate the method > which is clearly based on astronomy. > > If you interested in underlying principles, give me your email ID, > through which I may send a sample of original files on which my paper > was based. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ > ============ = ============ ==== > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay > > I took some time to look at your monsoon study but can't find any > reference to say Moon, Venus or any others planetary factors which > would deem it an astrological study? If it is based upon panchangs > then did you find some kind of constellational coincidence with > perhaps the wave form or the intensity? > > Also did you arrive at any conclusions as usually these are also in > such documents perhaps these are on a different page. Clearly your > study is rigorous which is why I would like to understand more of it > > kind regards Marg > > - > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were > > cited from my own profile at > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > > > On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s+ Report%3B+ %26+my+Paper+ accepted+ by+CAOS%2C+ IISc > > > > My scientific research paper at : > > > http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing?t=anon > > > > Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept > > of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, > > India) can be viewed at : > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > > > Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into > > English as soon as I get time. > > > > A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of > > them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. > > > > I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now > > I hope more more people may get interested. > > > > You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a > > new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University > > (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and > > English papers will be published provided they qualify as research > > paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the > > university or by email to me. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ============ ==== > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay > > > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you > > mention please? > > > > > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work > on four > > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according > to the > > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > Thanks > > > Margaret > > > > > > - > > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > > > > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > > > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > > > > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according > to a > > > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > > > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a > HOD of > > > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > > > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore > most of > > > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > > > > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > > > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. > If you > > > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > > > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the > eastern end > > > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > > > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > > > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly > applying to > > > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > > > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must > have > > > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis > which are > > > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to > > understand them. > > > > > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > > > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > > > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in > terms > > > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult > even > > > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > > > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give > you more > > > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > > > > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > > > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you > interested only > > > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to > stop > > > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > > > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > > > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your > choice. " You > > > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > > > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > > > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > > > > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom > you do > > > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > > > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and > tail are > > > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud > in your > > > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > > > > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of > Dept > > > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > > > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > > > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > > > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of > Jyotisha , > > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work > on four > > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according > to the > > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > > > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > > > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > > > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being > carried on > > > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > > > > > > (http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17334), there > > > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > > > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > > > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > > > chance to counter!! > > > > > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " > Tomorrow, > > > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of > Hindus > > > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > > > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. > Research > > > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods > to find > > > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to > find out > > > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It > is not > > > possible to please everyone. > > > > > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > > > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > > > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > > or > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ National+ Astrology+ %3A+Medini+ Jyotisha > > > > > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > > > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > > > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > > > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > > > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > > > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > > > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient > techniques. > > > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > > > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, > > like me. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework > was so > > > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or > short > > > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are > precisely of > > > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs > into > > > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava > chalitha. > > > > > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha > etc are > > > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > > > chalita, > > > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > > > Raashi- > > > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > > > degrees > > > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are > reckoned > > > > > independently' '. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is > > approximately 30 > > > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains > below the > > > > > horizon''. > > > > > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > > > explain > > > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > > > Chakra?. > > > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 > > degrees(elliptic) > > > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same > > article > > > > or > > > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' > > which > > > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree > > delineation > > > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider > > them as > > > > so > > > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in > your > > > > view > > > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking > > about the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have > copied and > > > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars > > which is > > > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > > > manifestation > > > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence > > or the > > > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. > But you > > > > are > > > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to > > draw > > > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are > they two > > > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. > > But > > > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > > > polite > > > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > > > seeing > > > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , > > if one > > > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Vinay Thanks for you considerate reply, very informative. May I ask you, not to translate the text as I do know this would take considerable time and currently I too am short of this commodity, but could you send me examples of the five chakras as these are new to me. I would also be interested in learning more about the world events you used to test the nodal positions as this too would also be interesting, but just a taste rather than a full report, to save time and energy for both of us. kind regards M - Vinay Jha Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:48 AM Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? margie9@ : There is ~95% or more senseless mythology and ~5% science in ancient sources. Mt meru is said to be 80000 yojana high in Bhaagvata Purana, which Earth's diameter is only 1600 yojana according to Suryasiddhanta and less than 1100 yojanas according to Aryabhatoya ans Varaha Mihira. why Mt Meru was called highest mountain has another region has a reason which will need a separete book, dealing with explanation of ancient astronomy. There are 84 chakras in ancient astrological tantras, some of which are well known and used, but those used in mundane astrology were neglected during one millenium of hostile political environment. According to these ancient chakras, there must be eight nodes in the world, one central at Mt Meru, and seven for the socalled dvipas or varshas. Mt Kailash was confused with Mt Meru by some later authors. There are six levels of Tortoise chakra, five are well known. I have experimented with some of the ancient chakras in individual and mundane astrology and found them to be true, but I've not tested all of them due to workload. The nodes I mentioned have proven to be real in 100% cases, I've tested hundreds of mundane horoscopes without a single failure. If you are interested, I will try to translate the software itself, which will take some time, because I've other assignments as well. Sincerely, -VJ ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:57:35 PM Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? HI Vinay Yes I read Mt Meru is supposed to be the highest one in the world. I think it's Brihat Samhita isn't it, that mentions this? When you say you set up world horoscopes and 'found them coming true,' what exactly did you predict would come true? Just took a look and I guess the events you tested are those listed in the article? So do you think this is the 'tortoise' which ancient seers say they used to predict world and weather affairs? Have you got a similar mapping using the nakshatras as well? I once used the method of the tortoise for some event in the UK using the centre of the region as starting point and it did suggest some truth in the use of the tortoise method, though I probably didn't use it entirely as an expert would. I knew that this region had the centre at that spot also, but didn't call it a world node. I think the 'node' for Tibetan region is Mount Kylash which has four main rivers flowing in the compass directions of N S E W. The mountain is the engine of the weather patterns in that region. What I noticed after locating Mt Meru was that if that was Aries then have you seen where the Taurus mountains are located? Their location does concur with Aries being at Mt Meru. Did you also know that it was Atlas who first divided the heavens into twelve equal parts, though there is no way of knowing whether he was Greek or not. Yes I am interested in this research though wouldn't have time to give it the attention it deserves, especially as you say it need so many different charts to be set up. I'm still come to grips with astro meteorology principles for weather forecasting and combing nadi and tropical systems to do it! kind regards M best wishes M - vinayjhaa16 Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:05 PM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? Margie9@ : For whole world's astrological node, see http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 Ptolemy, in Tetrabiblos, had pointed towards eastern Mediterranean or westernmost Asia as world's astrological node, but he had no idea of southern lands of Earth. Hence, if correct geography is applied, Ptolemy's world-node will shift southwards. Then, it occurred to me that two ancient astrological texts of India clearly mention that Mt Meru is situated on the surface of Earth in its middle (ie, equator). Looking southwards from Ptolemy's node, I found a town Meru at the foot of Mt Kenya. Using ancient methods of Jyotisha, I experimented with hundreds of world horoscopes made from Mt Kenya at the time of sidereal beginning of Aries (according to Suryasiddhanta, which differed from modern physical astronomical value by ~13 hours), and in all cases found the astrological outcome to be true. But if we use physical astronomy in above analysis, results are almost always wrong. In individual horoscopy, a diggerence of half a degree does not produce much error, but in mundane astrology, a difference of 13 hours means a difference of 6-7 signs. See http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 for the location of world-node in an article by a current HOD of Jyotisha. Similarly, Vidisha near Bhopal is India's node. It is a regional node. There must be six other regional nodes according to ancient texts. I took the term " node " from some Western authors who looked for such nodes in Egypt, Greeece and elsewhere. It is a vast topic, but neglected. I got many of my forecasts and related works verified by topmost scientists of NASA, IISc, etc, who did not know that the method was esoteric. Please do not tell this fact to scientists, because they hate astrology, and will stop looking at my rain forecasts. -Vinay Jha ============ ========= ========= ========= ============ = , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Hi Vinay > Not sure how this connects to what was said before? > However, as Rohini states yes only rasi chart seems appropriate for use in mundane astrol. When nodal points are referred to do you mean moon nodes or planet nodes? > Thanks > M > - > Vinay Jha > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:13 AM > Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Margie9@ : > > Following is my rejoinder to Mr Rohiniranjan 's comments today, which are related to the methodology behind my rain forecasts : > > Rohiniranjan jee has raised a good point . I have devoted most of my time to mundane and individual natal horoscopy. In mundane astrology ( Medini Jyotish, medini>mendi( n)i>mundi, mundane, monde) so far > I found no proof of the large number of yogas which affect individuals. > But general rules work the same in mundane astrology, like > sthaan-parivartana relation, denitions of benefic or malefic, etc. But > I work on mundane astrology according to ancient tantric chakras > described in Yaamala tantras, Puranas and Narapatijayacharya, casting > horoscopes at fixed nodal points on Earth and analysing the raashi-chakra and bhaavachalita according to > BPHS, neglecting all divisionals (D2-D60), vimshottari & c, > ashtakavarga, varshaphala, etc which are of no use in mundane > astrology. I know two nodal points which give foolproof results, one > for world, another for India. There may be other nodal points, perhaps > 7 in total, six of which I have failed to locate so far due > to lack of requisite data in proper format. > > -VJ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:04:28 PM > Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > HI Vinay > you ask 'Do you expect me to send > astrological essays to weather scientists?' > Of course not, BUT I'm sure you understand I DO expect you to have some astrological foundation > to impart if sending such research to a group of astrologers? > Thanks for your offer to send the info privately, and if there are any astrological foundations to be gained > from reading the research then of course I would be interested to read it. > kind regards > M > > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:40 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > The monsoon study you saw was sent to 615 weather scientists and was > written for them, not for astrologers. Do you expect me to send > astrological essays to weather scientists? > > None of my studies are based on any panchangas, although many > panchangas are based on my works, as my profoile informs. > > I've never been able to disclose the underlying methodology behind my > studies, because whenever I tried to explains, I was abused and > humiliated for using anachronistic out-of-world approach. > Unfortunately, only this out-of-world approach works, as has been > certified by many top scientists, but they cannot tolerate the method > which is clearly based on astronomy. > > If you interested in underlying principles, give me your email ID, > through which I may send a sample of original files on which my paper > was based. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ > ============ = ============ ==== > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay > > I took some time to look at your monsoon study but can't find any > reference to say Moon, Venus or any others planetary factors which > would deem it an astrological study? If it is based upon panchangs > then did you find some kind of constellational coincidence with > perhaps the wave form or the intensity? > > Also did you arrive at any conclusions as usually these are also in > such documents perhaps these are on a different page. Clearly your > study is rigorous which is why I would like to understand more of it > > kind regards Marg > > - > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were > > cited from my own profile at > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > > > On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s+ Report%3B+ %26+my+Paper+ accepted+ by+CAOS%2C+ IISc > > > > My scientific research paper at : > > > http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing?t=anon > > > > Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept > > of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, > > India) can be viewed at : > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > > > Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into > > English as soon as I get time. > > > > A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of > > them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. > > > > I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now > > I hope more more people may get interested. > > > > You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a > > new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University > > (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and > > English papers will be published provided they qualify as research > > paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the > > university or by email to me. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ============ ==== > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay > > > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you > > mention please? > > > > > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work > on four > > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according > to the > > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > Thanks > > > Margaret > > > > > > - > > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > > > > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > > > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > > > > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according > to a > > > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > > > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a > HOD of > > > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > > > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore > most of > > > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > > > > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > > > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. > If you > > > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > > > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the > eastern end > > > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > > > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > > > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly > applying to > > > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > > > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must > have > > > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis > which are > > > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to > > understand them. > > > > > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > > > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > > > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in > terms > > > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult > even > > > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > > > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give > you more > > > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > > > > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > > > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you > interested only > > > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to > stop > > > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > > > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > > > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your > choice. " You > > > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > > > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > > > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > > > > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom > you do > > > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > > > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and > tail are > > > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud > in your > > > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > > > > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of > Dept > > > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > > > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > > > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > > > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of > Jyotisha , > > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work > on four > > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according > to the > > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > > > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > > > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > > > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being > carried on > > > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > > > > > > (http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17334), there > > > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > > > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > > > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > > > chance to counter!! > > > > > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " > Tomorrow, > > > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of > Hindus > > > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > > > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. > Research > > > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods > to find > > > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to > find out > > > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It > is not > > > possible to please everyone. > > > > > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > > > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > > > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > > or > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ National+ Astrology+ %3A+Medini+ Jyotisha > > > > > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > > > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > > > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > > > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > > > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > > > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > > > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient > techniques. > > > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > > > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, > > like me. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework > was so > > > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or > short > > > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are > precisely of > > > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs > into > > > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava > chalitha. > > > > > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha > etc are > > > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > > > chalita, > > > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > > > Raashi- > > > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > > > degrees > > > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are > reckoned > > > > > independently' '. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is > > approximately 30 > > > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains > below the > > > > > horizon''. > > > > > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > > > explain > > > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > > > Chakra?. > > > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 > > degrees(elliptic) > > > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same > > article > > > > or > > > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' > > which > > > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree > > delineation > > > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider > > them as > > > > so > > > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in > your > > > > view > > > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking > > about the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have > copied and > > > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars > > which is > > > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > > > manifestation > > > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence > > or the > > > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. > But you > > > > are > > > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to > > draw > > > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are > they two > > > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. > > But > > > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > > > polite > > > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > > > seeing > > > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , > > if one > > > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Six Tortoise Chakras : House, Village/Town, District, Province, Country (India), World The last was known as Earth Chakra, centred at Mt Meru. Example : Griha-koorma-chakra is for house ( for fate of the house and householders during solar asterisms). -VJ ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:51:11 PM Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? Dear Vinay Thanks for you considerate reply, very informative. May I ask you, not to translate the text as I do know this would take considerable time and currently I too am short of this commodity, but could you send me examples of the five chakras as these are new to me. I would also be interested in learning more about the world events you used to test the nodal positions as this too would also be interesting, but just a taste rather than a full report, to save time and energy for both of us. kind regards M - Vinay Jha Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:48 AM Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? margie9@ : There is ~95% or more senseless mythology and ~5% science in ancient sources. Mt meru is said to be 80000 yojana high in Bhaagvata Purana, which Earth's diameter is only 1600 yojana according to Suryasiddhanta and less than 1100 yojanas according to Aryabhatoya ans Varaha Mihira. why Mt Meru was called highest mountain has another region has a reason which will need a separete book, dealing with explanation of ancient astronomy. There are 84 chakras in ancient astrological tantras, some of which are well known and used, but those used in mundane astrology were neglected during one millenium of hostile political environment. According to these ancient chakras, there must be eight nodes in the world, one central at Mt Meru, and seven for the socalled dvipas or varshas. Mt Kailash was confused with Mt Meru by some later authors. There are six levels of Tortoise chakra, five are well known. I have experimented with some of the ancient chakras in individual and mundane astrology and found them to be true, but I've not tested all of them due to workload. The nodes I mentioned have proven to be real in 100% cases, I've tested hundreds of mundane horoscopes without a single failure. If you are interested, I will try to translate the software itself, which will take some time, because I've other assignments as well. Sincerely, -VJ ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:57:35 PM Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? HI Vinay Yes I read Mt Meru is supposed to be the highest one in the world. I think it's Brihat Samhita isn't it, that mentions this? When you say you set up world horoscopes and 'found them coming true,' what exactly did you predict would come true? Just took a look and I guess the events you tested are those listed in the article? So do you think this is the 'tortoise' which ancient seers say they used to predict world and weather affairs? Have you got a similar mapping using the nakshatras as well? I once used the method of the tortoise for some event in the UK using the centre of the region as starting point and it did suggest some truth in the use of the tortoise method, though I probably didn't use it entirely as an expert would. I knew that this region had the centre at that spot also, but didn't call it a world node. I think the 'node' for Tibetan region is Mount Kylash which has four main rivers flowing in the compass directions of N S E W. The mountain is the engine of the weather patterns in that region. What I noticed after locating Mt Meru was that if that was Aries then have you seen where the Taurus mountains are located? Their location does concur with Aries being at Mt Meru. Did you also know that it was Atlas who first divided the heavens into twelve equal parts, though there is no way of knowing whether he was Greek or not. Yes I am interested in this research though wouldn't have time to give it the attention it deserves, especially as you say it need so many different charts to be set up. I'm still come to grips with astro meteorology principles for weather forecasting and combing nadi and tropical systems to do it! kind regards M best wishes M - vinayjhaa16 Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:05 PM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? Margie9@ : For whole world's astrological node, see http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 Ptolemy, in Tetrabiblos, had pointed towards eastern Mediterranean or westernmost Asia as world's astrological node, but he had no idea of southern lands of Earth. Hence, if correct geography is applied, Ptolemy's world-node will shift southwards. Then, it occurred to me that two ancient astrological texts of India clearly mention that Mt Meru is situated on the surface of Earth in its middle (ie, equator). Looking southwards from Ptolemy's node, I found a town Meru at the foot of Mt Kenya. Using ancient methods of Jyotisha, I experimented with hundreds of world horoscopes made from Mt Kenya at the time of sidereal beginning of Aries (according to Suryasiddhanta, which differed from modern physical astronomical value by ~13 hours), and in all cases found the astrological outcome to be true. But if we use physical astronomy in above analysis, results are almost always wrong. In individual horoscopy, a diggerence of half a degree does not produce much error, but in mundane astrology, a difference of 13 hours means a difference of 6-7 signs. See http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 for the location of world-node in an article by a current HOD of Jyotisha. Similarly, Vidisha near Bhopal is India's node. It is a regional node. There must be six other regional nodes according to ancient texts. I took the term " node " from some Western authors who looked for such nodes in Egypt, Greeece and elsewhere. It is a vast topic, but neglected. I got many of my forecasts and related works verified by topmost scientists of NASA, IISc, etc, who did not know that the method was esoteric. Please do not tell this fact to scientists, because they hate astrology, and will stop looking at my rain forecasts. -Vinay Jha ============ ========= ========= ========= ============ = , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Hi Vinay > Not sure how this connects to what was said before? > However, as Rohini states yes only rasi chart seems appropriate for use in mundane astrol. When nodal points are referred to do you mean moon nodes or planet nodes? > Thanks > M > - > Vinay Jha > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:13 AM > Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > Margie9@ : > > Following is my rejoinder to Mr Rohiniranjan 's comments today, which are related to the methodology behind my rain forecasts : > > Rohiniranjan jee has raised a good point . I have devoted most of my time to mundane and individual natal horoscopy. In mundane astrology ( Medini Jyotish, medini>mendi( n)i>mundi, mundane, monde) so far > I found no proof of the large number of yogas which affect individuals. > But general rules work the same in mundane astrology, like > sthaan-parivartana relation, denitions of benefic or malefic, etc. But > I work on mundane astrology according to ancient tantric chakras > described in Yaamala tantras, Puranas and Narapatijayacharya, casting > horoscopes at fixed nodal points on Earth and analysing the raashi-chakra and bhaavachalita according to > BPHS, neglecting all divisionals (D2-D60), vimshottari & c, > ashtakavarga, varshaphala, etc which are of no use in mundane > astrology. I know two nodal points which give foolproof results, one > for world, another for India. There may be other nodal points, perhaps > 7 in total, six of which I have failed to locate so far due > to lack of requisite data in proper format. > > -VJ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:04:28 PM > Re: Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > HI Vinay > you ask 'Do you expect me to send > astrological essays to weather scientists?' > Of course not, BUT I'm sure you understand I DO expect you to have some astrological foundation > to impart if sending such research to a group of astrologers? > Thanks for your offer to send the info privately, and if there are any astrological foundations to be gained > from reading the research then of course I would be interested to read it. > kind regards > M > > - > vinayjhaa16 > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:40 PM > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > The monsoon study you saw was sent to 615 weather scientists and was > written for them, not for astrologers. Do you expect me to send > astrological essays to weather scientists? > > None of my studies are based on any panchangas, although many > panchangas are based on my works, as my profoile informs. > > I've never been able to disclose the underlying methodology behind my > studies, because whenever I tried to explains, I was abused and > humiliated for using anachronistic out-of-world approach. > Unfortunately, only this out-of-world approach works, as has been > certified by many top scientists, but they cannot tolerate the method > which is clearly based on astronomy. > > If you interested in underlying principles, give me your email ID, > through which I may send a sample of original files on which my paper > was based. > > Sincerely, > > -VJ > ============ = ============ ==== > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay > > I took some time to look at your monsoon study but can't find any > reference to say Moon, Venus or any others planetary factors which > would deem it an astrological study? If it is based upon panchangs > then did you find some kind of constellational coincidence with > perhaps the wave form or the intensity? > > Also did you arrive at any conclusions as usually these are also in > such documents perhaps these are on a different page. Clearly your > study is rigorous which is why I would like to understand more of it > > kind regards Marg > > - > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > Thanks for your interest in these topics. The passage you mention were > > cited from my own profile at > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay+Jha > > > > On rain forecasts, you can see some of my works at > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s+ Report%3B+ %26+my+Paper+ accepted+ by+CAOS%2C+ IISc > > > > My scientific research paper at : > > > http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing?t=anon > > > > Initial portion of a 12-year World Economic Forecast by Head of Dept > > of Jyotish(Vedic Astrology) of KSD Sanskrit University (PIN-846008, > > India) can be viewed at : > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > > > Unfortunately, the forecast is in Hindi. I intend to translate it into > > English as soon as I get time. > > > > A lot of work has been done and verified on these topics, but most of > > them are in Hindi and largely unpublished. > > > > I started putting these things in astrology forums only recently. Now > > I hope more more people may get interested. > > > > You may see another topic at this forum inviting research papers for a > > new astrological research journal by KSD Sanskrit University > > (PIN-846008, India). This journal is mainly in Hindi but Sanskrit and > > English papers will be published provided they qualify as research > > paper. Articles can be sent within few weeks through post to the > > university or by email to me. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ============ ==== > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay > > > Would you let me have a link to the following feature which you > > mention please? > > > > > > : " Decision of Department of Jyotisha , > > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work > on four > > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according > to the > > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > Thanks > > > Margaret > > > > > > - > > > vinayjhaa16 > > > > > > Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM > > > Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? > > > > > > > > > Answer to Mr Pradeep's Rumour Mongering : > > > > > > You are much more polite than Mr Chandra Hari, but I have analyzed > > > your post carefully and arrived at following conclusions : > > > > > > (1)I had clearly stated " Twelve Bhaavas were conceived according > to a > > > well designed logical plan ... " . I gave examples of this ancient > > > design in the Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... by a > HOD of > > > Jyotisha, which are related to national astrology which is not a > > > lucrative business for professional astrologers, and therefore > most of > > > the astrologers are not interested in these ancient techniques. > > > > > > Instead of asking me for the sources or authorities of these > > > statements, You quoted me out of context in order to befool me. > If you > > > are really sincere, read Kali-kundali as well as in World Economy... > > > carefully, you will find the middle of Mesha always at the > eastern end > > > of the equator in World Map or India Map. I clearly talked of the > > > ancient " original plan " of Medini Jyotisha for which i also supplied > > > two detailed examples in my website, which you are wrongly > applying to > > > horoscopy astrology of individuals. You are not deliberately biased > > > against me, but you are unconsciously biased, otherwise you must > have > > > tried to find the logic of bhaavachalita in medini-kundalis > which are > > > so unpalatable to you that you did not fit it advisabe to > > understand them. > > > > > > (2) Who told you varga chakras are based on 30 degrees ? Cite the > > > original sources of your claims. BPHS clearly says D1 (first > > > divisional is Lagna and not Raashi. Lagna is clearly defined in > terms > > > of the ecliptic in original sources which you ignored to consult > even > > > after readinh me. Do not impose your " popular method " upon sages who > > > composed shaastras. Your " popular method " will certainly give > you more > > > votes, but it will destroy shaastras. > > > > > > (3)And then you say " As i am not interested in a debate on Varga > > > charts and new theories let us keep it aside. " Are you > interested only > > > in finding fault in my supposedly " new theory " , and then want to > stop > > > me from answering, by leaving it aside? Your tone is clear from you > > > charge " I can see that you have copied and borrowed some of these > > > theories from contemporary scholars which is purely your > choice. " You > > > say that I am putting forth my " new theories " which I copied > > > (stole/plagiarised) from modern authors !! If I stole them from > > > existing theories of others, how they can be " new " theories? > > > > > > If these theories are old, them I stole them from others (whom > you do > > > not name), and if these theories are my own creations then I am > > > distorting shaastras with my novelties ; hence both head and > tail are > > > yours ! You should name those " original " authors. I am a fraud > in your > > > eyes, but you do not feel it necessary to provide the proof. > > > > > > I guess you are perhaps alluding to Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of > Dept > > > of Jyotisha in KSD Sanskrit University, whose article at my website > > > uses the same method which is used in Kali-kundali. You > > > imagined that I must have stolen his " novel concept " . But you must > > > have read at the same website : " Decision of Department of > Jyotisha , > > > KSD Sanskrit University, Bih & #257;r, India in Sep 2008 to work > on four > > > projects related to natural disasters (forecasting Rains, Floods, > > > Cyclones, Earthquakes) with the collaboration of and according > to the > > > computations of Vinay Jha. " > > > > > > If this statement is wrong, why you do not report to this university > > > or to a legal authority, instead of directly accusing me of plagiary > > > sans evidences on various websites ? This debate was being > carried on > > > at the forum of Chandra Hari's students > > > > > > (http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 17334), there > > > was no need to copy and post rumours about me elsewhere without my > > > inforfation. I do not know at how many websites Chandra Hari and > > > Pradeep are spreading false rumours about me without giving me a > > > chance to counter!! > > > > > > (4)You say " Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. " > Tomorrow, > > > someone will say " Please don't call thiese fictious figures of > Hindus > > > as real personalities " . I firmly believe that Lord Krishna was a > > > historical figure, although I am not sure of his birth year. > Research > > > in his horoscope and related events is one of the many methods > to find > > > out his actual time. If you dislike me just because I want to > find out > > > accurate time of ancient personages, you are free to do so. It > is not > > > possible to please everyone. > > > > > > Instead of concentrating on finding or inventing faults in me,you > > > should have tried to understand the medini kundalis provided at many > > > pages of my website which have read but with a lens , such as > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > > or > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ National+ Astrology+ %3A+Medini+ Jyotisha > > > > > > Do you think this type of allegations of " copying " other's ideas > > > leveled on me, without proving ant proof, will induce me to explain > > > these ancient theories to you. If you want to learn these ancient > > > things of shaastra, which you refuse to be ancient, then you should > > > enrol as a student in some Sanskrit university : you certainly read > > > the article of Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD > > > Sanskrit University cited above, which used these ancient > techniques. > > > But like Mr Chandra Hari, you are willing to believe and propagate, > > > without evidences, that this university is also a den of fraud, > > like me. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ======= ======= ======= ======= ======= > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework > was so > > > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or > short > > > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are > precisely of > > > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs > into > > > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava > chalitha. > > > > > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha > etc are > > > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > > > chalita, > > > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > > > Raashi- > > > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > > > degrees > > > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are > reckoned > > > > > independently' '. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is > > approximately 30 > > > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains > below the > > > > > horizon''. > > > > > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > > > explain > > > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > > > Chakra?. > > > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 > > degrees(elliptic) > > > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same > > article > > > > or > > > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' > > which > > > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree > > delineation > > > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider > > them as > > > > so > > > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in > your > > > > view > > > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking > > about the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have > copied and > > > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars > > which is > > > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > > > manifestation > > > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence > > or the > > > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. > But you > > > > are > > > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to > > draw > > > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are > they two > > > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. > > But > > > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > > > polite > > > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > > > seeing > > > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , > > if one > > > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, My apologies for not responding earlier, simply because I did not come upon your response until just now. Vijay ji and I have interacted earlier on Jyotish_list and I was under the impression that this list was connected to that one by lineage. I think probably not but just some of the members and active participants are the same. Vijay ji a brief while ago made some of us take a second serious look at the use of sub-kshetra vargas as simply locii and not something to be recombined into a 12-bhava chart as most astrologers have been doing. Right or wrong it was a paradigm shift and an interesting one! As to the 'ascension' one can view, I think, the zodiac in two dimensions: Space and Time. Krishnamurthi (KP paddhati) in his system showed the interconversion or relatedness of space and time when he utilized the vimshottari dasha TIME-based system and equated it with the Nakshatraik arc-longitudinal dimension. Now without starting a 'blood-bath' here I would like to sheepishly mention that jyotish has generally toyed only gingerly with unequal house divisions, generally not venturing beyond Sripathi (similar to Porphyrii system) which is based on trisecting the AC-MC interval and then using opposite references for the opposite bhava madhyas. Tropical astrologers (western) who by choice or natural selection or whatever tended to be born and practice in countries away from equator, were more prone to be subjected by long and short ascension which is essentially a geo-solar phenomenon (geotopical actually unless I am mixing my terms) as observed by those living at Northern or southern latitudes and see the markedly varying day to night proportions as the seasons proceed. Hence the use of so many unequal divisional house systems from Placidus to Regiomontanus to Campanus to Zenith to East point to a couple of dozen more that with aging and lack of personal need have gotten shelved or archived somewhere in my memory. It makes sense in the western tropical context because the zodiac they use is season- based and geotopically centered (earth based) even though they use the celestial names which were attributed to the constellational patterns that early humans observed and seeing patterns of animals (zoon) called the peri-ecliptic stars as the zodiacal belt. As one moves from Srilanka to Stockholm much will change in terms of the day and night and earth-based activities but is that likely to bring about a huge difference in how the followers of the two different zodiacs must view the nativity? Leaving aside the debatable point about the parallax shifts (primarily affecting the moon and not so much the other astro-indicators), maybe the rules created around the celestial constellational zodiac astrology (jyotish) is less sensitive, if at all, to the earth-based unequal house division systems? I wonder...! Rohiniranjan , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohiniranjan jee, > > I saw your mail to someone Vijay jee whom I do not know, but the > matter suggested it was addressed to me. > > You are perfectly correct in suggesting " the basic framework was so > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > the ashtottari scheme! " > > Your saying applies to bha-chakra, but the bhaava-chalit-chakra > applies to the ecliptic which is elliptical. Both are equally ancient > and equally valid. this is proven by Suryasiddhanta and BPHS. > Elaboration will require a detailed mathematical article, which I will > certainly write someday. Mathematical astrology (siddhanta) is my forte. > > Regards, > > VJ , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your thoughts? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > chart. > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > chalita, > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > Raashi- > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > degrees > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > > independently''. > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30 > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > > horizon''. > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > explain > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > Chakra?. > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees (elliptic) > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article > > or > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as > > so > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > > view > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the > > > same. > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > manifestation > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > > are > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > polite > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > seeing > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 RR Jee, Such issues can be resolved only by means of practical test. -VJ ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:03:26 AM Re: Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? Dear Vinay ji, My apologies for not responding earlier, simply because I did not come upon your response until just now. Vijay ji and I have interacted earlier on Jyotish_list and I was under the impression that this list was connected to that one by lineage. I think probably not but just some of the members and active participants are the same. Vijay ji a brief while ago made some of us take a second serious look at the use of sub-kshetra vargas as simply locii and not something to be recombined into a 12-bhava chart as most astrologers have been doing. Right or wrong it was a paradigm shift and an interesting one! As to the 'ascension' one can view, I think, the zodiac in two dimensions: Space and Time. Krishnamurthi (KP paddhati) in his system showed the interconversion or relatedness of space and time when he utilized the vimshottari dasha TIME-based system and equated it with the Nakshatraik arc-longitudinal dimension. Now without starting a 'blood-bath' here I would like to sheepishly mention that jyotish has generally toyed only gingerly with unequal house divisions, generally not venturing beyond Sripathi (similar to Porphyrii system) which is based on trisecting the AC-MC interval and then using opposite references for the opposite bhava madhyas. Tropical astrologers (western) who by choice or natural selection or whatever tended to be born and practice in countries away from equator, were more prone to be subjected by long and short ascension which is essentially a geo-solar phenomenon (geotopical actually unless I am mixing my terms) as observed by those living at Northern or southern latitudes and see the markedly varying day to night proportions as the seasons proceed. Hence the use of so many unequal divisional house systems from Placidus to Regiomontanus to Campanus to Zenith to East point to a couple of dozen more that with aging and lack of personal need have gotten shelved or archived somewhere in my memory. It makes sense in the western tropical context because the zodiac they use is season- based and geotopically centered (earth based) even though they use the celestial names which were attributed to the constellational patterns that early humans observed and seeing patterns of animals (zoon) called the peri-ecliptic stars as the zodiacal belt. As one moves from Srilanka to Stockholm much will change in terms of the day and night and earth-based activities but is that likely to bring about a huge difference in how the followers of the two different zodiacs must view the nativity? Leaving aside the debatable point about the parallax shifts (primarily affecting the moon and not so much the other astro-indicators) , maybe the rules created around the celestial constellational zodiac astrology (jyotish) is less sensitive, if at all, to the earth-based unequal house division systems? I wonder...! Rohiniranjan , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Rohiniranjan jee, > > I saw your mail to someone Vijay jee whom I do not know, but the > matter suggested it was addressed to me. > > You are perfectly correct in suggesting " the basic framework was so > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > the ashtottari scheme! " > > Your saying applies to bha-chakra, but the bhaava-chalit- chakra > applies to the ecliptic which is elliptical. Both are equally ancient > and equally valid. this is proven by Suryasiddhanta and BPHS. > Elaboration will require a detailed mathematical article, which I will > certainly write someday. Mathematical astrology (siddhanta) is my forte. > > Regards, > > VJ , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > > wrote: > > > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you! > > > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into > > the ashtottari scheme! > > > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your thoughts? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji > > > > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha. > > > > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha > > chart. > > > > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava- > > chalita, > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in > > Raashi- > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30 > > degrees > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned > > > independently' '. > > > > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately 30 > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the > > > horizon''. > > > > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please > > explain > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi > > Chakra?. > > > And how is half of it below horizon. > > > > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees (elliptic) > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same article > > or > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras'' which > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree delineation > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them as > > so > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your > > view > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ? > > > > > > > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about the > > > same. > > > > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which is > > > purely your choice. > > > > > > However please be consistent in your logic. > > > > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical > > manifestation > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or the > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you > > are > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to draw > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ? > > > > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde. But > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri Krishna. > > > > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more > > polite > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after > > seeing > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if one > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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