Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Namaste friends, I normally do not read vedic astrology , but happened to catch the following gem of a mail on a rare visit. The concept of karma (previous actions), karmaphala (results of previous actions), parihaaras/upaayas (remedies) and god are complicated and sometimes misunderstood. I appreciate what Rohiniranjan says below. Some of these things are tackled on the " " where I have been active in the last year or two. This is dedicated to spirituality, Sanatana dharma and understanding the true meaning of the teachings of rishis on dharma and spirituality. Anybody interested in spiritual matters is most welcome to join. But please note that astrology and horoscope discussions are not welcome. The list is strictly for discussing spirituality. A few sample posts from the last few months that are somewhat relevant to the question asked below are listed below. You can read them in the archives by following the links below. Of course, you are welcome to read the entire archives too, which can be accessed by non-members. * * * On multiple spiritual paths (a detailed analogy): /message/361 /message/367 Why meditate on sound patterns like beejaaksharas and mantras: /message/832 On how mantras work (good to read after message 832 above): /message/498 How different mantras work and fail (an analogy): /message/922 On technicalities that block people's spiritual progress: /message/381 On the Gayatri mantra and true purpose of spiritual sadhana: /message/711 What articles are required in an " ideal pooja room " : /message/830 On creation, god, karma and karmaphala: /message/534 On new karmas vs resisting the fruits of past karmas: /message/394 On the working of Veda mantras vs other mantras in today's times: /message/892 On the problem of pride even in spiritual sadhana: /message/733 One example of the symbols in rituals: /message/756 On looking for tangible results and mystical experiences: /message/648 /message/632 On the challenge of brahmacharya: /message/578 On mixing up duality and non-duality: /message/671 Why worship planets and deities instead of one supreme god: /message/126 On mystical experiences and not being distracted: /message/611 On the pronunciation of mantras and accompanying thoughts: /message/615 On moksha as an end vs moksha as a continuum: /message/438 On the nuances of personal dharma: /message/437 Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Munisevitham jee, > > Not sure why this message was specifically addressed to me in the > header? I wish you had posted it in the appropriate thread or given a > quote to which you were replying to directly, but we will address it > generally. > > My personal view is that neither Karma nor God should be considered > as entities or phenomena separate from ourselves but integral part of > us, even as individuals and certainly too as collective units of > couple, family, community, nationality, religious groups, and yes > even the entire world community and perhaps beyond (those who believe > in angels and guardian angels etc). > > The 'schism' pain and loneliness and anxiety and panic begins when we > begin to forget that we are the creators of our karma and it is not a > monster that is separate and ready to pounce upon us and > claim 'revenge'. God, likewise, is not external or even internal to > us but integral! We cannot separate ourselves from the feeling of I, > of our karma and our God-self. We may choose to ignore or hide from > those from time to time but the 'backlog' of actions that we carry on > our metaphorical back does not vanish when we pretend to be ostrichs > with our heads buried in the sands of TIME. > > Since simplistically stated 'karma' is about paying back what was due > and was our responsibility, the more the upaayes are pentitential in > nature (penances) the more effective in the long range they would be. > Hence measures that put us into long periods of self-awareness > (mantra jaap, puja, fasting, volunteer and selfless service) if > performed from the 'god-place' in our souls may indeed be more > effective than certain other measures. > > Namastay, > > Rohiniranjan > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM > <munisevitham@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > MAN PROPOSES GOD DISPOSES ! > > > > > http://news./s/ap/20090113/ap_on_re_au_an/as_australia_rabbit > _infestation > > > > DOES PARIKAARA UPPAYA WOULD PROTECT US FROM SWEET REVENGES OF ONES > PAST KARMA ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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