Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? - Rohini Ranjan Ji

[Guest guest]

Namaste Ranjan ji

 

I missed your email.Sorry for the delayed reply. Happy New Year to

you and family as well.

 

I am yet to study the necessity(for the originators) of Bhava

chalitha nor any pramanas associated. Hence i cannot comment much.

 

However from an elementary understanding i can say that using

vargamshas one can reach finer conclusions without going for bhava

chalitha.

 

Irrespective of whether our lagna is at the beginning/end/middle of a

Rashi, within that rashi our lagna will attain various amshas from

pranamsha(navamsha) to higher nadiamshas (nadi is unit of time, it is

a fine channel running within our body and reveals it thorugh thumb

impressions).

 

Thus for eg if Lagna is at the end of Aries rashi(It then becomes 1st

bhava) - it is not the end of analysis !

It also says our Lagna has Dhanu navamsha(last navamsha of Aries).It

doesn't end there.We can see the degree of Guru(Lagna navamsha

natha), we can then see the navamsha attained by Guru.It doesn't end

there - we can see the drekkana of our Lagna Bindu, We can see the

degree of drekkana natha of our Lagna. We can then time events based

on transits happening close to the said degrees. Thus you see from

one single bindu called Lagna an experienced astrologer can arrive at

fruitful conclusions. Now think of nadiamshas of this Lagna. Now

think of various bhavanadhas ashtama etc transting, closely knitted

and intertwined degrees connecting various bhavas!. I cannot comment

with authenticity as i am just treading along the fundamentals.

 

I know i am slow, but i am pretty strict that i wan't to take the

route as advised by the venerated sages.

 

Regarding ascensions, my understanding is the astronomical pattern is

not the cause for the underlying philosophy.Underlying philosophy

holds the root/cause for the manifested pattern. Thus if we follow

the derivational algorithms provided by sages , it would have already

taken into account, of our concerns regarding long and short

ascensions.

 

Pradeep

 

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you!

>

> Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear

> thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was so

> uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or short

> ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely of

> 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs into

> the ashtottari scheme!

>

> Have you thought about that and would you care to share your

thoughts?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay ji

> >

> > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava chalitha.

> >

> > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc are

> > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha

> chart.

> >

> > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava-

> chalita,

> > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in

> Raashi-

> > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30

> degrees

> > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are reckoned

> > independently''.

> >

> > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is approximately

30

> > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below the

> > horizon''.

> >

> > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please

> explain

> > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi

> Chakra?.

> > And how is half of it below horizon.

> >

> > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees

(elliptic)

> > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same

article

> or

> > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras''

which

> > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree

delineation

> > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them

as

> so

> > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in your

> view

> > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga

> > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ?

> >

> >

> > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total

> > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about

the

> > same.

> >

> > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new

> > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied and

> > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars which

is

> > purely your choice.

> >

> > However please be consistent in your logic.

> >

> > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical

> manifestation

> > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or

the

> > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But you

> are

> > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to

draw

> > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they two

> > suns or different talas of the same sun ?

> >

> > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde.

But

> > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with

> > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri

Krishna.

> >

> > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more

> polite

> > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after

> seeing

> > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if

one

> > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vijay ji,

 

No problem re delay. I am a patient kind of guy :-)

 

The ascension to my limited understanding is not a celestial factor

but is governed by the point of observation. The relative ascension

of signs varies at any given moment based on whether one is observing

the ecliptic from a point in the northern or southern hemisphere. The

more extreme the latitude the more the effect and then also arises

the possibility of interception.

 

However, north or south, near or far, it intrigues me that the

ecliptic was so equally divided into 12 equal segments or 27 equal

segments when thinking of nakshatras (let us leave abhijit aside for

the moment!). But if it ain't broken, I am not going to try and fix

it, at this time :-)

 

As to your position about not using vargas as charts, other than

kshetra or rashi varga alone, out of the 16 described by Parashara

and a few others by others -- but utilizing them for other

astrological purposes (bala, quality etc), I can understand and

respect your concerns about potential corruption, misunderstood or

ill-understood intent of sages etc.

 

Best wishes,

 

RR

 

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Namaste Ranjan ji

>

> I missed your email.Sorry for the delayed reply. Happy New Year to

> you and family as well.

>

> I am yet to study the necessity(for the originators) of Bhava

> chalitha nor any pramanas associated. Hence i cannot comment much.

>

> However from an elementary understanding i can say that using

> vargamshas one can reach finer conclusions without going for bhava

> chalitha.

>

> Irrespective of whether our lagna is at the beginning/end/middle of

a

> Rashi, within that rashi our lagna will attain various amshas from

> pranamsha(navamsha) to higher nadiamshas (nadi is unit of time, it

is

> a fine channel running within our body and reveals it thorugh thumb

> impressions).

>

> Thus for eg if Lagna is at the end of Aries rashi(It then becomes

1st

> bhava) - it is not the end of analysis !

> It also says our Lagna has Dhanu navamsha(last navamsha of

Aries).It

> doesn't end there.We can see the degree of Guru(Lagna navamsha

> natha), we can then see the navamsha attained by Guru.It doesn't

end

> there - we can see the drekkana of our Lagna Bindu, We can see the

> degree of drekkana natha of our Lagna. We can then time events

based

> on transits happening close to the said degrees. Thus you see from

> one single bindu called Lagna an experienced astrologer can arrive

at

> fruitful conclusions. Now think of nadiamshas of this Lagna. Now

> think of various bhavanadhas ashtama etc transting, closely knitted

> and intertwined degrees connecting various bhavas!. I cannot

comment

> with authenticity as i am just treading along the fundamentals.

>

> I know i am slow, but i am pretty strict that i wan't to take the

> route as advised by the venerated sages.

>

> Regarding ascensions, my understanding is the astronomical pattern

is

> not the cause for the underlying philosophy.Underlying philosophy

> holds the root/cause for the manifested pattern. Thus if we follow

> the derivational algorithms provided by sages , it would have

already

> taken into account, of our concerns regarding long and short

> ascensions.

>

> Pradeep

>

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you!

> >

> > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this linear

> > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework was

so

> > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or

short

> > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are precisely

of

> > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs

into

> > the ashtottari scheme!

> >

> > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your

> thoughts?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay ji

> > >

> > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava

chalitha.

> > >

> > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc

are

> > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from Chalitha

> > chart.

> > >

> > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava-

> > chalita,

> > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in

> > Raashi-

> > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30

> > degrees

> > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are

reckoned

> > > independently''.

> > >

> > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is

approximately

> 30

> > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below

the

> > > horizon''.

> > >

> > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please

> > explain

> > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi

> > Chakra?.

> > > And how is half of it below horizon.

> > >

> > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees

> (elliptic)

> > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same

> article

> > or

> > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras''

> which

> > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree

> delineation

> > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider them

> as

> > so

> > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in

your

> > view

> > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for these ''varga

> > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ?

> > >

> > >

> > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total

> > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking about

> the

> > > same.

> > >

> > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and new

> > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied

and

> > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars

which

> is

> > > purely your choice.

> > >

> > > However please be consistent in your logic.

> > >

> > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical

> > manifestation

> > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence or

> the

> > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But

you

> > are

> > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying to

> draw

> > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they

two

> > > suns or different talas of the same sun ?

> > >

> > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble knowlegde.

> But

> > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic with

> > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri

> Krishna.

> > >

> > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be more

> > polite

> > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However after

> > seeing

> > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc , if

> one

> > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> >

>