Why so Uniform, why a UNIFORM? - Rohini Ranjan Ji - 1

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Dear Ranjan Ji

 

Sorry again for the delay.

 

I was bit busy and didn't get time to study further regarding the

leads given by you.

 

I can share what i have understood -

 

1.So called interceptions and effect of relative ascensions occur

only in the case of unequal houses (systems)

 

2.This can make us ask why unequal?

 

3.Equal houses are the most ancient among systems.

 

4.However We can find that there are numerous unequal systems.

 

5.Equal houses system as part of vedic astrology is not only having

an astronomical footing but also a philosophical foundation.

 

6.It is all about the origin and evolution. Gives answers for all the

questions/quest rational in nature.

 

7.Benchmarking with Stellar Plane and Stars.

 

Pradeep

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Vijay ji,

>

> No problem re delay. I am a patient kind of guy :-)

>

> The ascension to my limited understanding is not a celestial factor

> but is governed by the point of observation. The relative ascension

> of signs varies at any given moment based on whether one is

observing

> the ecliptic from a point in the northern or southern hemisphere.

The

> more extreme the latitude the more the effect and then also arises

> the possibility of interception.

>

> However, north or south, near or far, it intrigues me that the

> ecliptic was so equally divided into 12 equal segments or 27 equal

> segments when thinking of nakshatras (let us leave abhijit aside

for

> the moment!). But if it ain't broken, I am not going to try and fix

> it, at this time :-)

>

> As to your position about not using vargas as charts, other than

> kshetra or rashi varga alone, out of the 16 described by Parashara

> and a few others by others -- but utilizing them for other

> astrological purposes (bala, quality etc), I can understand and

> respect your concerns about potential corruption, misunderstood or

> ill-understood intent of sages etc.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> RR

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Ranjan ji

> >

> > I missed your email.Sorry for the delayed reply. Happy New Year

to

> > you and family as well.

> >

> > I am yet to study the necessity(for the originators) of Bhava

> > chalitha nor any pramanas associated. Hence i cannot comment much.

> >

> > However from an elementary understanding i can say that using

> > vargamshas one can reach finer conclusions without going for

bhava

> > chalitha.

> >

> > Irrespective of whether our lagna is at the beginning/end/middle

of

> a

> > Rashi, within that rashi our lagna will attain various amshas

from

> > pranamsha(navamsha) to higher nadiamshas (nadi is unit of time,

it

> is

> > a fine channel running within our body and reveals it thorugh

thumb

> > impressions).

> >

> > Thus for eg if Lagna is at the end of Aries rashi(It then becomes

> 1st

> > bhava) - it is not the end of analysis !

> > It also says our Lagna has Dhanu navamsha(last navamsha of

> Aries).It

> > doesn't end there.We can see the degree of Guru(Lagna navamsha

> > natha), we can then see the navamsha attained by Guru.It doesn't

> end

> > there - we can see the drekkana of our Lagna Bindu, We can see

the

> > degree of drekkana natha of our Lagna. We can then time events

> based

> > on transits happening close to the said degrees. Thus you see

from

> > one single bindu called Lagna an experienced astrologer can

arrive

> at

> > fruitful conclusions. Now think of nadiamshas of this Lagna. Now

> > think of various bhavanadhas ashtama etc transting, closely

knitted

> > and intertwined degrees connecting various bhavas!. I cannot

> comment

> > with authenticity as i am just treading along the fundamentals.

> >

> > I know i am slow, but i am pretty strict that i wan't to take the

> > route as advised by the venerated sages.

> >

> > Regarding ascensions, my understanding is the astronomical

pattern

> is

> > not the cause for the underlying philosophy.Underlying philosophy

> > holds the root/cause for the manifested pattern. Thus if we

follow

> > the derivational algorithms provided by sages , it would have

> already

> > taken into account, of our concerns regarding long and short

> > ascensions.

> >

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namashkaar Vijay ji and a Happy New Year to you!

> > >

> > > Going off on a diagonal or perhaps on a tangent -from this

linear

> > > thread -- it has often perplexed me that the basic framework

was

> so

> > > uniform with each rashi regardless of those being of long or

> short

> > > ascension depending on the hemisphere of residence are

precisely

> of

> > > 30 degrees each and nakshatras of 13d20m each, unless one runs

> into

> > > the ashtottari scheme!

> > >

> > > Have you thought about that and would you care to share your

> > thoughts?

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay ji

> > > >

> > > > In one of your articles, you have mentioned about Bhava

> chalitha.

> > > >

> > > > 1) You have mentioned that aspects,friendship ucha neecha etc

> are

> > > > judged from ''rashi chart'' while phala is judged from

Chalitha

> > > chart.

> > > >

> > > > 2) You have mentioned that ''In both Rashi-chakra and Bhaava-

> > > chalita,

> > > > lagna is always placed at the centre of first mansion. But in

> > > Raashi-

> > > > chakra, successive mansions are computed by merely adding 30

> > > degrees

> > > > to the lagna, whereas in the bhaava-chalita bhaavas are

> reckoned

> > > > independently''.

> > > >

> > > > Moreover you said - ''The entire house of Lagna is

> approximately

> > 30

> > > > degrees (plus or minus few degrees), half of it remains below

> the

> > > > horizon''.

> > > >

> > > > For instance if Lagna is 27 degree pisces then can you please

> > > explain

> > > > how is Lagna placed at the CENTRE of first mansion in Rashi

> > > Chakra?.

> > > > And how is half of it below horizon.

> > > >

> > > > 3) You have mentioned that all rashis are not 30 degrees

> > (elliptic)

> > > > and hence chalitha chart is important. However in the same

> > article

> > > or

> > > > another article you are speaking high about ''varga chakras''

> > which

> > > > are based on 30 degrees. In your view if this 30 degree

> > delineation

> > > > is approximate then how do you support vargas and consider

them

> > as

> > > so

> > > > important? Don't you feel self-contradiction here ? Also in

> your

> > > view

> > > > don't you think we have to draw bhava chalith for

these ''varga

> > > > kundalees'' as well ?Are we in a loop ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I can see that at certain places you talk logic and in total

> > > > contradiction and illogical at other places while talking

about

> > the

> > > > same.

> > > >

> > > > As i am not interested in a debate on '' Varga charts'' and

new

> > > > theories let us keep it aside. I can see that you have copied

> and

> > > > borrowed some of these theories from contemporary scholars

> which

> > is

> > > > purely your choice.

> > > >

> > > > However please be consistent in your logic.

> > > >

> > > > Dieties are the inner dwellers in a Kshethra. Physical

> > > manifestation

> > > > of a graha can be seen with sensory organs while the essence

or

> > the

> > > > atma of the graha has to be felt using inner instruments. But

> you

> > > are

> > > > creating new theories and talking about two suns and trying

to

> > draw

> > > > an invisible sun with the help of software? Vinay ji are they

> two

> > > > suns or different talas of the same sun ?

> > > >

> > > > I can see that you are fortunate to access valauble

knowlegde.

> > But

> > > > please don't re-create the same errors by mixing non-logic

with

> > > > paramparic knowledge. Please don't draw the kundali of Shri

> > Krishna.

> > > >

> > > > There could be different ways of expressing rosha- can be

more

> > > polite

> > > > as compared to Chandra ji - in some one's views. However

after

> > > seeing

> > > > all these , Kaliyuga, Dashamsha Chakra of ShriKrishana etc ,

if

> > one

> > > > remains silent, is one doing justice to oneself ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > >

> >

>