Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, Shri BV Ramans ayanamsha has come to be attacked by many stalwarts of the modern day, including Shri KN Rao, who is the original contributor to this Group, if I am not wrong. Can You comment on this ? regards, Bhaskar. , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To All :- > > As I gather from remarks made by users of various internet forums and > experiments made by astrological software makers, the most important > problem faced by Vedic astrologers is that of Ayanamsha. All other > problems of mathematical portion of astrology seems to have been finally > resolved by modern physical scientists. Since the basic rules of phalita > (predictive) astrology have not been questioned by almost all Vedic > astrologers, does it mean barring ayanamsha there is no real problem in > vedic astrology today ? > > But is it really so ? There are softwares in the market today which give > the user an opportunity to chose or put in any value of ayanamsha. > Currently, various values of ayanamsha range from over 22 to 24 degrees > approximately. With all possible values of ayanamsha already having been > experimented with, has the problem of a foolproof software been solved ? > If any astrologer feels he/she already has perfect softwares and barring > a slight readjustment of ayanamsha there is nothing to be experimented > with, he/she need not read my messages, because it will lead to useless > fuss. But if anyone feels even with all types of ayanamshas and all > types of softwares, accurate prediction is never guaranteed and much > remains to be done, they must read this thread. > > Astrologers are human beings, and to err is human. I have also erred on > many occassions. It is difficult to take into account all charts > together with their due weightage. There were numerous occassions when > with all sorts of interpretations I could not get satisfactory > explanations of real life events. After decades of research, I found out > that most of our current problems are rooted in our departure from > ancient principles, which can be summed up in following points : > > 1) Suryasiddhantic ayanamsha gives accurate results. BV Raman adopted > Suryasiddhantic ayanamsha, but for the present era he added modern rate > of annual precession. Hence his ayanamsha is a hybrid one, very near to > Suryasiddhantic one. Yukteshwar ayanamsha is also Suryasiddhantic, with > negligible difference. > > 2) Vimshottari year of 360 days ought to be lunar, based 360 lunar days > (tithis). Vimshottari is made from Moon. Chhaandogya Upanishada says > full life is of 116 years. 120 lunar years are equal to 116.4 solar > years. leave aside these arguments, perfect timing of events has found > to be achieved with lunar year used for Vimshottari. Many other software > developers had also experimented with this option ; I am not the first. > But they did not carry out the third reform given below. > > 3) Suryasiddhantic true planets have slight difference from the true > planets of modern physical astronomy, ranging from half to over a > degree. This difference was minimum in 2000 AD and has again started > rising, at the rate of one degree in nearly 117 years. > > If these three adjustments are made into modern astrological softwares, > perfect Vimshottari will be achieved. Some other softwares have options > for lunar year for Vimshottari, and they also have optons for adding or > substracting offset to ayanamsha. Had it contained similar offsets for > true planets and lagna, it would have saved me years which I wasted in > developing Kundalee software. > > Only third of the above three points needs some clarification, because > the first two points have already been adopted in many famous vedic > softwares. Some people say Suryasiddhanta is an outdated text and there > is no need to experiment with it. They know majority of Indian > panchangas are still made from tables based on Suryasiddhanta either > directly or indirectly. Hence, majority of traditional vedic astrologers > make horoscopes from Suryasiddhanta either knowingly or unknowingly. > Many of them have made comparative studies of horoscopes made from > traditional system with horoscopes made from softwares, and a large > number of these traditional astrologers declare that Suryasiddhantic > horoscopes are far nearer to real life events that horoscopes based on > modern astronomy. That is why astrologers of many states of India , led > by four Sanskrit universities, unanimously decided in 2005 at a > conference in Varanasi that all panchangas ought to be made on the basis > of Suryasiddhanta. Unfortunately, voice of this traditional India is not > duly represented on the internet because most Sanskrit pandits have > little or no experience of computers and internet. That is why some > computerized astrologers think the voice of traditional Indian astrology > must be forcibly suppressed because this " anachronistic " voice is > against modernization. > > The whole problem is of just half to little over one degree of offset in > positions of true planets, which will make all divisional charts > absolutely accurate for all natives whose birthtime is accurate. > Moreover, traditional predictive rules work in perfect harmony with > Suryasiddhantic computations. > > One method of test is analysis of horoscopes for seeing the operation of > rules of death prediction ( > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death ). > > Another method is analysis of horoscopes for examining Vimshottari > timings of events. One example is displayed at > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vimshottari+Dasha under title > Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed Attributes > > Third method is mundane astrology. One example is forecasting world > economy ( > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 > ) ; another example is > Economic Future of India : mid-Apr 2009 to mid-Apr 2010 in the same page > ; third example is rain forecast > (http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/2007%3AAnnual+Rain+Forecast+(from\ \ > +Apr)+for+South+Asia). > > Third method, ie, of mundane astrology, is easiest for ascertaing > whether Suryasiddhantic or physical-astronomical planets ought to be > used for making horoscopes, because horoscopes made at Samkraantis has a > difference of 6-7 raashis due to over half a degree difference in > Suryasiddhantic Surya and modern asteronomical Sun. Such a great > difference in horoscopes will make it easier to see which conforms more > to real events. > > It is useless to solve this problem merely by word duel which will lead > us to nowhere. Historical or logical debates will not help. Practical > testing is the only proper way. It is foolish to crush the voice of a > great body of traditional India just because it has no presence on > internet. All these pandits of Sanskrit universities are not fools or > thugs. They have mastered the ancient methods more than socalled experts > of indology in the West. Vedic Astrology is a traditional discipline and > voice of traditional pandits must be listened. > > I am calling for free and fair comparison of both methods, without > personal attacks. Those who are not interested in examining the validity > of traditional scholarship may keep away. > > -VJ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, I have got special affinity with Shri Yukteshwars ayanamsha for reasons non-astrological. But I have got excellent results with KP ayanamsha . And have many times predicted uptil the minute of certain incidents occuring, though this may probably sound impossible to you. ( I have done this not just few times but probably a hundred times ). Can You then tell me what is the level of KP ayanamsha in your studies ? regards/Bhaskar. , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To All :- > > As I gather from remarks made by users of various internet forums and > experiments made by astrological software makers, the most important > problem faced by Vedic astrologers is that of Ayanamsha. All other > problems of mathematical portion of astrology seems to have been finally > resolved by modern physical scientists. Since the basic rules of phalita > (predictive) astrology have not been questioned by almost all Vedic > astrologers, does it mean barring ayanamsha there is no real problem in > vedic astrology today ? > > But is it really so ? There are softwares in the market today which give > the user an opportunity to chose or put in any value of ayanamsha. > Currently, various values of ayanamsha range from over 22 to 24 degrees > approximately. With all possible values of ayanamsha already having been > experimented with, has the problem of a foolproof software been solved ? > If any astrologer feels he/she already has perfect softwares and barring > a slight readjustment of ayanamsha there is nothing to be experimented > with, he/she need not read my messages, because it will lead to useless > fuss. But if anyone feels even with all types of ayanamshas and all > types of softwares, accurate prediction is never guaranteed and much > remains to be done, they must read this thread. > > Astrologers are human beings, and to err is human. I have also erred on > many occassions. It is difficult to take into account all charts > together with their due weightage. There were numerous occassions when > with all sorts of interpretations I could not get satisfactory > explanations of real life events. After decades of research, I found out > that most of our current problems are rooted in our departure from > ancient principles, which can be summed up in following points : > > 1) Suryasiddhantic ayanamsha gives accurate results. BV Raman adopted > Suryasiddhantic ayanamsha, but for the present era he added modern rate > of annual precession. Hence his ayanamsha is a hybrid one, very near to > Suryasiddhantic one. Yukteshwar ayanamsha is also Suryasiddhantic, with > negligible difference. > > 2) Vimshottari year of 360 days ought to be lunar, based 360 lunar days > (tithis). Vimshottari is made from Moon. Chhaandogya Upanishada says > full life is of 116 years. 120 lunar years are equal to 116.4 solar > years. leave aside these arguments, perfect timing of events has found > to be achieved with lunar year used for Vimshottari. Many other software > developers had also experimented with this option ; I am not the first. > But they did not carry out the third reform given below. > > 3) Suryasiddhantic true planets have slight difference from the true > planets of modern physical astronomy, ranging from half to over a > degree. This difference was minimum in 2000 AD and has again started > rising, at the rate of one degree in nearly 117 years. > > If these three adjustments are made into modern astrological softwares, > perfect Vimshottari will be achieved. Some other softwares have options > for lunar year for Vimshottari, and they also have optons for adding or > substracting offset to ayanamsha. Had it contained similar offsets for > true planets and lagna, it would have saved me years which I wasted in > developing Kundalee software. > > Only third of the above three points needs some clarification, because > the first two points have already been adopted in many famous vedic > softwares. Some people say Suryasiddhanta is an outdated text and there > is no need to experiment with it. They know majority of Indian > panchangas are still made from tables based on Suryasiddhanta either > directly or indirectly. Hence, majority of traditional vedic astrologers > make horoscopes from Suryasiddhanta either knowingly or unknowingly. > Many of them have made comparative studies of horoscopes made from > traditional system with horoscopes made from softwares, and a large > number of these traditional astrologers declare that Suryasiddhantic > horoscopes are far nearer to real life events that horoscopes based on > modern astronomy. That is why astrologers of many states of India , led > by four Sanskrit universities, unanimously decided in 2005 at a > conference in Varanasi that all panchangas ought to be made on the basis > of Suryasiddhanta. Unfortunately, voice of this traditional India is not > duly represented on the internet because most Sanskrit pandits have > little or no experience of computers and internet. That is why some > computerized astrologers think the voice of traditional Indian astrology > must be forcibly suppressed because this " anachronistic " voice is > against modernization. > > The whole problem is of just half to little over one degree of offset in > positions of true planets, which will make all divisional charts > absolutely accurate for all natives whose birthtime is accurate. > Moreover, traditional predictive rules work in perfect harmony with > Suryasiddhantic computations. > > One method of test is analysis of horoscopes for seeing the operation of > rules of death prediction ( > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death ). > > Another method is analysis of horoscopes for examining Vimshottari > timings of events. One example is displayed at > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vimshottari+Dasha under title > Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed Attributes > > Third method is mundane astrology. One example is forecasting world > economy ( > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 > ) ; another example is > Economic Future of India : mid-Apr 2009 to mid-Apr 2010 in the same page > ; third example is rain forecast > (http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/2007%3AAnnual+Rain+Forecast+(from\ \ > +Apr)+for+South+Asia). > > Third method, ie, of mundane astrology, is easiest for ascertaing > whether Suryasiddhantic or physical-astronomical planets ought to be > used for making horoscopes, because horoscopes made at Samkraantis has a > difference of 6-7 raashis due to over half a degree difference in > Suryasiddhantic Surya and modern asteronomical Sun. Such a great > difference in horoscopes will make it easier to see which conforms more > to real events. > > It is useless to solve this problem merely by word duel which will lead > us to nowhere. Historical or logical debates will not help. Practical > testing is the only proper way. It is foolish to crush the voice of a > great body of traditional India just because it has no presence on > internet. All these pandits of Sanskrit universities are not fools or > thugs. They have mastered the ancient methods more than socalled experts > of indology in the West. Vedic Astrology is a traditional discipline and > voice of traditional pandits must be listened. > > I am calling for free and fair comparison of both methods, without > personal attacks. Those who are not interested in examining the validity > of traditional scholarship may keep away. > > -VJ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Respected Vinay-ji, This in relation to your article - " World Economy : Apr 2009-Mar 2010 " Back in 2007 I studied Geodetic planes and Astro*Carto*Graphy. There are quite a few similarities between your world map and that used in Geodetic planes. However, in Geodetic theory, we divide the zones based on longitudinal planes of 30 degree each. So, Aries zone according to that theory is 0-30 degree E of Prime Meridian. It is interesting to note that Mt. Meru point in your paper is just a few degrees east of 30 E. Please do let me know your views on this division of the world based on geodetic zones. However, I should clarify that I am just looking for an academic discusion. Neither am I critical of your research nor do I wish to debate it. Regards, Souvik , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To All :- > > As I gather from remarks made by users of various internet forums and > experiments made by astrological software makers, the most important > problem faced by Vedic astrologers is that of Ayanamsha. All other > problems of mathematical portion of astrology seems to have been finally > resolved by modern physical scientists. Since the basic rules of phalita > (predictive) astrology have not been questioned by almost all Vedic > astrologers, does it mean barring ayanamsha there is no real problem in > vedic astrology today ? > > But is it really so ? There are softwares in the market today which give > the user an opportunity to chose or put in any value of ayanamsha. > Currently, various values of ayanamsha range from over 22 to 24 degrees > approximately. With all possible values of ayanamsha already having been > experimented with, has the problem of a foolproof software been solved ? > If any astrologer feels he/she already has perfect softwares and barring > a slight readjustment of ayanamsha there is nothing to be experimented > with, he/she need not read my messages, because it will lead to useless > fuss. But if anyone feels even with all types of ayanamshas and all > types of softwares, accurate prediction is never guaranteed and much > remains to be done, they must read this thread. > > Astrologers are human beings, and to err is human. I have also erred on > many occassions. It is difficult to take into account all charts > together with their due weightage. There were numerous occassions when > with all sorts of interpretations I could not get satisfactory > explanations of real life events. After decades of research, I found out > that most of our current problems are rooted in our departure from > ancient principles, which can be summed up in following points : > > 1) Suryasiddhantic ayanamsha gives accurate results. BV Raman adopted > Suryasiddhantic ayanamsha, but for the present era he added modern rate > of annual precession. Hence his ayanamsha is a hybrid one, very near to > Suryasiddhantic one. Yukteshwar ayanamsha is also Suryasiddhantic, with > negligible difference. > > 2) Vimshottari year of 360 days ought to be lunar, based 360 lunar days > (tithis). Vimshottari is made from Moon. Chhaandogya Upanishada says > full life is of 116 years. 120 lunar years are equal to 116.4 solar > years. leave aside these arguments, perfect timing of events has found > to be achieved with lunar year used for Vimshottari. Many other software > developers had also experimented with this option ; I am not the first. > But they did not carry out the third reform given below. > > 3) Suryasiddhantic true planets have slight difference from the true > planets of modern physical astronomy, ranging from half to over a > degree. This difference was minimum in 2000 AD and has again started > rising, at the rate of one degree in nearly 117 years. > > If these three adjustments are made into modern astrological softwares, > perfect Vimshottari will be achieved. Some other softwares have options > for lunar year for Vimshottari, and they also have optons for adding or > substracting offset to ayanamsha. Had it contained similar offsets for > true planets and lagna, it would have saved me years which I wasted in > developing Kundalee software. > > Only third of the above three points needs some clarification, because > the first two points have already been adopted in many famous vedic > softwares. Some people say Suryasiddhanta is an outdated text and there > is no need to experiment with it. They know majority of Indian > panchangas are still made from tables based on Suryasiddhanta either > directly or indirectly. Hence, majority of traditional vedic astrologers > make horoscopes from Suryasiddhanta either knowingly or unknowingly. > Many of them have made comparative studies of horoscopes made from > traditional system with horoscopes made from softwares, and a large > number of these traditional astrologers declare that Suryasiddhantic > horoscopes are far nearer to real life events that horoscopes based on > modern astronomy. That is why astrologers of many states of India , led > by four Sanskrit universities, unanimously decided in 2005 at a > conference in Varanasi that all panchangas ought to be made on the basis > of Suryasiddhanta. Unfortunately, voice of this traditional India is not > duly represented on the internet because most Sanskrit pandits have > little or no experience of computers and internet. That is why some > computerized astrologers think the voice of traditional Indian astrology > must be forcibly suppressed because this " anachronistic " voice is > against modernization. > > The whole problem is of just half to little over one degree of offset in > positions of true planets, which will make all divisional charts > absolutely accurate for all natives whose birthtime is accurate. > Moreover, traditional predictive rules work in perfect harmony with > Suryasiddhantic computations. > > One method of test is analysis of horoscopes for seeing the operation of > rules of death prediction ( > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death ). > > Another method is analysis of horoscopes for examining Vimshottari > timings of events. One example is displayed at > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vimshottari+Dasha under title > Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed Attributes > > Third method is mundane astrology. One example is forecasting world > economy ( > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+2010 > ) ; another example is > Economic Future of India : mid-Apr 2009 to mid-Apr 2010 in the same page > ; third example is rain forecast > (http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/2007%3AAnnual+Rain+Forecast+(from\ > +Apr)+for+South+Asia). > > Third method, ie, of mundane astrology, is easiest for ascertaing > whether Suryasiddhantic or physical-astronomical planets ought to be > used for making horoscopes, because horoscopes made at Samkraantis has a > difference of 6-7 raashis due to over half a degree difference in > Suryasiddhantic Surya and modern asteronomical Sun. Such a great > difference in horoscopes will make it easier to see which conforms more > to real events. > > It is useless to solve this problem merely by word duel which will lead > us to nowhere. Historical or logical debates will not help. Practical > testing is the only proper way. It is foolish to crush the voice of a > great body of traditional India just because it has no presence on > internet. All these pandits of Sanskrit universities are not fools or > thugs. They have mastered the ancient methods more than socalled experts > of indology in the West. Vedic Astrology is a traditional discipline and > voice of traditional pandits must be listened. > > I am calling for free and fair comparison of both methods, without > personal attacks. Those who are not interested in examining the validity > of traditional scholarship may keep away. > > -VJ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Namaste Vinay, This may or may not be related to your astrological theories. Do you think that the USA astronauts in the past had actually landed on the Moon? If not, where did they actually land? The reason for this question is that Srila Prabhupada, the ISKCON founder, did NOT believe the astronauts actually landed on the Moon. He thought so because he was using the distances noted in vedic texts. By his calculations, it was impossible for the astronauts to reach the Moon in a few days time. Regards, JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Namaste John, Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ? Anyways, Srila Prabhupada was actually a Yogi who had reached the planets with his spiritual powers and was also able to talk and give desrciptions about Mars, much before the NASA people could know about it. He had also written a book on how to travel to planets I think in1976 itself. And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ? Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ? Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ? What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it is not ? I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ? Dont we have a better agenda other than this ? And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards. Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so ? Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ? Bhaskar. , " John " <jr_esq wrote: > > Namaste Vinay, > > This may or may not be related to your astrological theories. Do you think that the USA astronauts in the past had actually landed on the Moon? If not, where did they actually land? > > The reason for this question is that Srila Prabhupada, the ISKCON founder, did NOT believe the astronauts actually landed on the Moon. He thought so because he was using the distances noted in vedic texts. By his calculations, it was impossible for the astronauts to reach the Moon in a few days time. > > Regards, > > JR > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 To Mr John : You did not read the links given in my message. Read at least : http://weatherindia.wetpaint.com/page/A+New+approach+to+Rain+Forecasting http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s_Report%3B_%26_my_Paper_accepted_by\ _CAOS%2C_IISc i do not know ISKON. There is a physical Moon which is quite distinct from the invisible Chandra Deva (Moon god). It is not my theory, and I do not want to discuss any theory. I am a software developer, having made both types of softwares, based on physical astronomy as well as on ancient Vedic methods. These must be compared by practical tests and not by rhetoric. -VJ ________________________________ John <jr_esq Monday, April 6, 2009 11:49:34 PM Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology Namaste Vinay, This may or may not be related to your astrological theories. Do you think that the USA astronauts in the past had actually landed on the Moon? If not, where did they actually land? The reason for this question is that Srila Prabhupada, the ISKCON founder, did NOT believe the astronauts actually landed on the Moon. He thought so because he was using the distances noted in vedic texts. By his calculations, it was impossible for the astronauts to reach the Moon in a few days time. Regards, JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Dear Shree Vinay jhaaji and Mr. John, In my view,the two are intrrelated.The physical moon or Chandra in the sky induces the Chandra dev within us..The Chandra dev within us is experienced when we concentrate on our brain cortex or the vision centre in our mind.It is evolved by the physical moon in the sky in course of millions of years, through many births. This is the very reason why we have to celebrate our festivals by the lunar tithi, the mind being interconnected to the physical Chandra.The physical chandra may be called as the brain of God Shiva(because Shiva wears chandra on his head) where as the small chandra in our mind is the reflection of that external reality.Thus they say God made man in his own image,or Like pinda as Brahmanda.Thank you. Sincerely yours, Hari Malla ________________________________ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Tuesday, April 7, 2009 8:41:05 AM Re: Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology To Mr John : You did not read the links given in my message. Read at least : http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc i do not know ISKON. There is a physical Moon which is quite distinct from the invisible Chandra Deva (Moon god). It is not my theory, and I do not want to discuss any theory. I am a software developer, having made both types of softwares, based on physical astronomy as well as on ancient Vedic methods. These must be compared by practical tests and not by rhetoric. -VJ ____________ _________ _________ __ John <jr_esq > Monday, April 6, 2009 11:49:34 PM Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology Namaste Vinay, This may or may not be related to your astrological theories. Do you think that the USA astronauts in the past had actually landed on the Moon? If not, where did they actually land? The reason for this question is that Srila Prabhupada, the ISKCON founder, did NOT believe the astronauts actually landed on the Moon. He thought so because he was using the distances noted in vedic texts. By his calculations, it was impossible for the astronauts to reach the Moon in a few days time. Regards, JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Dear Hari ji, I agree with your statement. In fact, we are just pack of energies that are a 'amsha' of the energies of the 'navagrahas'. Based on the time of our birth each of us have varying levels of these energies. And, after birth, our inherent energies respond to the energies of the transiting planets in the sky. Thus influencing our thoughts and corresponding actions and reactions. Regards, Krishna --- On Tue, 7/4/09, Hari Malla <harimalla wrote: Hari Malla <harimalla Re: Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology Cc: " Vinay Jha " <vinayjhaa16 Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 10:08 AM Dear Shree Vinay jhaaji and Mr. John, In my view,the two are intrrelated. The physical moon or Chandra in the sky induces the Chandra dev within us..The Chandra dev within us is experienced when we concentrate on our brain cortex or the vision centre in our mind.It is evolved by the physical moon in the sky in course of millions of years, through many births. This is the very reason why we have to celebrate our festivals by the lunar tithi, the mind being interconnected to the physical Chandra.The physical chandra may be called as the brain of God Shiva(because Shiva wears chandra on his head) where as the small chandra in our mind is the reflection of that external reality.Thus they say God made man in his own image,or Like pinda as Brahmanda.Thank you. Sincerely yours, Hari Malla ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Tuesday, April 7, 2009 8:41:05 AM Re: Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology To Mr John : You did not read the links given in my message. Read at least : http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc i do not know ISKON. There is a physical Moon which is quite distinct from the invisible Chandra Deva (Moon god). It is not my theory, and I do not want to discuss any theory. I am a software developer, having made both types of softwares, based on physical astronomy as well as on ancient Vedic methods. These must be compared by practical tests and not by rhetoric. -VJ ____________ _________ _________ __ John <jr_esq > Monday, April 6, 2009 11:49:34 PM Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology Namaste Vinay, This may or may not be related to your astrological theories. Do you think that the USA astronauts in the past had actually landed on the Moon? If not, where did they actually land? The reason for this question is that Srila Prabhupada, the ISKCON founder, did NOT believe the astronauts actually landed on the Moon. He thought so because he was using the distances noted in vedic texts. By his calculations, it was impossible for the astronauts to reach the Moon in a few days time. Regards, JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Namaste Bhaskar, My responses to your comments are as follows: 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ? Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to the Shrimad Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to this fact. 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ? I assumed that he may know because of his theories about imaginary planets against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon was estimated to be more distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this information has a direct bearing to assessing the nature of the imaginary planets. 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ? Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be familiar with the distances of the planets based on numbers written on the texts. As such, determining the longitudes and latitudes of the various planets in imaginary terms may be affected. 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ? You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything derogatory about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men. 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it is not ? Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be demoted. Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am using strictly the ancient jyotish method. 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your > subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ? I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in astrological readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient texts as it relates to jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once again misinterpreted my intentions as you often do among members of the jyotish forums. 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ? What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is listed on this particular forum. 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards.> You made a mistake in your judgement. 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so ? See my response above. 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ? I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in San Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in London left the Church. Regards, JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Namaste Hari Malla, My responses to your comments are as follows: 1.> In my view,the two are intrrelated.The physical moon or Chandra in the sky induces the Chandra dev within us. I agree with this. However, there are some people who have other interpretation about Chandra or Chandra Loka. Specifically, in his commentary to the Srimad Bhagavatam, Srila Prabhupada believed that there are actual intelligent beings who live on the Moon. It can be assumed that he meant beings with either corporeal bodies or spirits. As such, he questioned the validity of the supposed landing on the Moon by the USA astronauts. 2. >The Chandra dev within us is experienced when we concentrate on our brain cortex or the vision centre in our mind.It is evolved by the physical moon in the sky in course of millions of years, through many births. This is the very reason why we have to celebrate our festivals by the lunar tithi, the mind being interconnected to the physical Chandra.The physical chandra may be called as the brain of God Shiva(because Shiva wears chandra on his head) where as the small chandra in our mind is the reflection of that external reality.Thus they say God made man in his own image,or Like pinda as Brahmanda.> I agree with this. Our mind and physical brain is really the microcosm of the universe. It can be argued that our mind or consciousness is the universe. Nonetheless, most people without any knowledge of the vedic texts cannot understand the validity of this idea. Regards, JR > Sincerely yours, > Hari Malla > > > > > ________________________________ > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 > > Tuesday, April 7, 2009 8:41:05 AM > Re: Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology > > > To Mr John : > > You did not read the links given in my message. Read at least : > > http://weatherindia .wetpaint. com/page/ A+New+approach+ to+Rain+Forecast ing > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc > > i do not know ISKON. There is a physical Moon which is quite distinct from the invisible Chandra Deva (Moon god). It is not my theory, and I do not want to discuss any theory. I am a software developer, having made both types of softwares, based on physical astronomy as well as on ancient Vedic methods. These must be compared by practical tests and not by rhetoric. > > -VJ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > John <jr_esq > > > Monday, April 6, 2009 11:49:34 PM > Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology > > Namaste Vinay, > > This may or may not be related to your astrological theories. Do you think that the USA astronauts in the past had actually landed on the Moon? If not, where did they actually land? > > The reason for this question is that Srila Prabhupada, the ISKCON founder, did NOT believe the astronauts actually landed on the Moon. He thought so because he was using the distances noted in vedic texts. By his calculations, it was impossible for the astronauts to reach the Moon in a few days time. > > Regards, > > JR > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Namaste John, I have asked many Vaishnavas and they do not know where Srila Prabhupada has said this. Will you please give us the Verse No. from the SrimadBhagavatam where the purport is mentioned so ? I have the Bhagavatam translated by SrilaPrabhupada and I will wait for you to point out the verse. Mr.Vinay is right about his theories about imaginary planets. There are many other facts which if I put here, you may find it astonishing and amusing. So better we dont serve pearls to just anyone. Please give us the name and Page number and stotra no. of the vedic text where it is mentioned that Moon was estimated to be more .......... It is preposterous thinking that anybody studying the Vedic texts must be familiar with the distances of the Planets. My agenda is well known by the thousands of the members on various forums-Sharing Information and learning, but NOT commenting derogatorily on the Great ones, or making issues out of Non-issues. regards, Bhaskar. , " John " <jr_esq wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar, > > My responses to your comments are as follows: > > 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ? > > Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to the Shrimad Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to this fact. > > 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ? > > I assumed that he may know because of his theories about imaginary planets against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon was estimated to be more distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this information has a direct bearing to assessing the nature of the imaginary planets. > > 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ? > > Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be familiar with the distances of the planets based on numbers written on the texts. As such, determining the longitudes and latitudes of the various planets in imaginary terms may be affected. > > 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ? > > You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything derogatory about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men. > > 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it is not ? > > Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be demoted. Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am using strictly the ancient jyotish method. > > 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your > subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ? > > I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in astrological readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient texts as it relates to jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once again misinterpreted my intentions as you often do among members of the jyotish forums. > > 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ? > > What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is listed on this particular forum. > > 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards.> > > You made a mistake in your judgement. > > > 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so ? > > See my response above. > > 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ? > > I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in San Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in London left the Church. > > Regards, > > JR > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Dear Friends, Being a Life member of ISCKON for last 30 years or so, Srila Prabhupada is like one of the other Gurus for me, who was my first Teacher of Krishna consciousness, and any comment about him which is not in good taste, or him being shown in not a good light, or in relation to amusement, or his writings being misinterpreted in any manner and the meanings twisted,or he being quoted without supporting evidences of references, would call for an explanation from me. Thanks, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Namaste John, > > I have asked many Vaishnavas and they do not know where Srila Prabhupada has said this. Will you please give us the Verse No. from the SrimadBhagavatam where the purport is mentioned so ? I have the Bhagavatam translated by SrilaPrabhupada and I will wait for you to point out the verse. > > > Mr.Vinay is right about his theories about imaginary planets. There are many other facts which if I put here, you may find it astonishing and amusing. So better we dont serve pearls to just anyone. > > > Please give us the name and Page number and stotra no. of the vedic text where it is mentioned that Moon was estimated to be more .......... > > > It is preposterous thinking that anybody studying the Vedic texts must be familiar with the distances of the Planets. > > My agenda is well known by the thousands of the members on various forums-Sharing Information and learning, but NOT commenting derogatorily on the Great ones, or making issues out of Non-issues. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar, > > > > My responses to your comments are as follows: > > > > 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ? > > > > Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to the Shrimad Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to this fact. > > > > 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ? > > > > I assumed that he may know because of his theories about imaginary planets against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon was estimated to be more distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this information has a direct bearing to assessing the nature of the imaginary planets. > > > > 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ? > > > > Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be familiar with the distances of the planets based on numbers written on the texts. As such, determining the longitudes and latitudes of the various planets in imaginary terms may be affected. > > > > 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ? > > > > You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything derogatory about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men. > > > > 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it is not ? > > > > Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be demoted. Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am using strictly the ancient jyotish method. > > > > 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your > subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ? > > > > I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in astrological readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient texts as it relates to jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once again misinterpreted my intentions as you often do among members of the jyotish forums. > > > > 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ? > > > > What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is listed on this particular forum. > > > > 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards.> > > > > You made a mistake in your judgement. > > > > > > 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so ? > > > > See my response above. > > > > 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ? > > > > I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in San Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in London left the Church. > > > > Regards, > > > > JR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 If there is no satisfactory answer, I see no point in continuing with this discussion. raj , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Being a Life member of ISCKON for last 30 years or so, Srila Prabhupada is like one of the other Gurus for me, who was my first Teacher of Krishna consciousness, and any comment about him which is not in good taste, or him being shown in not a good light, or in relation to amusement, or his writings being misinterpreted in any manner and the meanings twisted,or he being quoted without supporting evidences of references, would call for an explanation from me. > > Thanks, > Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste John, > > > > I have asked many Vaishnavas and they do not know where Srila Prabhupada has said this. Will you please give us the Verse No. from the SrimadBhagavatam where the purport is mentioned so ? I have the Bhagavatam translated by SrilaPrabhupada and I will wait for you to point out the verse. > > > > > > Mr.Vinay is right about his theories about imaginary planets. There are many other facts which if I put here, you may find it astonishing and amusing. So better we dont serve pearls to just anyone. > > > > > > Please give us the name and Page number and stotra no. of the vedic text where it is mentioned that Moon was estimated to be more .......... > > > > > > It is preposterous thinking that anybody studying the Vedic texts must be familiar with the distances of the Planets. > > > > My agenda is well known by the thousands of the members on various forums-Sharing Information and learning, but NOT commenting derogatorily on the Great ones, or making issues out of Non-issues. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar, > > > > > > My responses to your comments are as follows: > > > > > > 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ? > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to the Shrimad Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to this fact. > > > > > > 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ? > > > > > > I assumed that he may know because of his theories about imaginary planets against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon was estimated to be more distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this information has a direct bearing to assessing the nature of the imaginary planets. > > > > > > 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ? > > > > > > Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be familiar with the distances of the planets based on numbers written on the texts. As such, determining the longitudes and latitudes of the various planets in imaginary terms may be affected. > > > > > > 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ? > > > > > > You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything derogatory about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men. > > > > > > 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it is not ? > > > > > > Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be demoted. Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am using strictly the ancient jyotish method. > > > > > > 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your > subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ? > > > > > > I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in astrological readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient texts as it relates to jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once again misinterpreted my intentions as you often do among members of the jyotish forums. > > > > > > 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ? > > > > > > What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is listed on this particular forum. > > > > > > 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards.> > > > > > > You made a mistake in your judgement. > > > > > > > > > 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so ? > > > > > > See my response above. > > > > > > 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ? > > > > > > I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in San Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in London left the Church. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > JR > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Sir, Yes Sir, I have had my say. Thanks. From my side the discussion on this thread is closed. kind regards, Bhaskar. , " indiadirector " <raj wrote: > > If there is no satisfactory answer, I see no point in continuing with this discussion. > > raj > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Being a Life member of ISCKON for last 30 years or so, Srila Prabhupada is like one of the other Gurus for me, who was my first Teacher of Krishna consciousness, and any comment about him which is not in good taste, or him being shown in not a good light, or in relation to amusement, or his writings being misinterpreted in any manner and the meanings twisted,or he being quoted without supporting evidences of references, would call for an explanation from me. > > > > Thanks, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste John, > > > > > > I have asked many Vaishnavas and they do not know where Srila Prabhupada has said this. Will you please give us the Verse No. from the SrimadBhagavatam where the purport is mentioned so ? I have the Bhagavatam translated by SrilaPrabhupada and I will wait for you to point out the verse. > > > > > > > > > Mr.Vinay is right about his theories about imaginary planets. There are many other facts which if I put here, you may find it astonishing and amusing. So better we dont serve pearls to just anyone. > > > > > > > > > Please give us the name and Page number and stotra no. of the vedic text where it is mentioned that Moon was estimated to be more .......... > > > > > > > > > It is preposterous thinking that anybody studying the Vedic texts must be familiar with the distances of the Planets. > > > > > > My agenda is well known by the thousands of the members on various forums-Sharing Information and learning, but NOT commenting derogatorily on the Great ones, or making issues out of Non-issues. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > My responses to your comments are as follows: > > > > > > > > 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ? > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to the Shrimad Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to this fact. > > > > > > > > 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ? > > > > > > > > I assumed that he may know because of his theories about imaginary planets against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon was estimated to be more distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this information has a direct bearing to assessing the nature of the imaginary planets. > > > > > > > > 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ? > > > > > > > > Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be familiar with the distances of the planets based on numbers written on the texts. As such, determining the longitudes and latitudes of the various planets in imaginary terms may be affected. > > > > > > > > 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ? > > > > > > > > You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything derogatory about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men. > > > > > > > > 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it is not ? > > > > > > > > Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be demoted. Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am using strictly the ancient jyotish method. > > > > > > > > 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your > subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ? > > > > > > > > I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in astrological readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient texts as it relates to jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once again misinterpreted my intentions as you often do among members of the jyotish forums. > > > > > > > > 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ? > > > > > > > > What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is listed on this particular forum. > > > > > > > > 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards.> > > > > > > > > You made a mistake in your judgement. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so ? > > > > > > > > See my response above. > > > > > > > > 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ? > > > > > > > > I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in San Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in London left the Church. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, Jyotish shastra includes both astronomy and astrology. From the name of our group I understand that we can have some discussions on astronomy also alongside astrology. The question on this thread is more interesting from the astronomy part of Jyotisha. If the astronauts landed in the other Moon then we should try to get Moon-landing data, which may not be sensitive and non-disclosable. NASA will have data on the distance as well as of the speed of the space rocket and the travel time etc. Thus it will be a real opportunity to verify the the claims of some people that there are two locations for each graha, ie. one the physical and the other non-physical. However one question will remain as to how a physical space vehicle can land in the non-physical Moon. Any guess? Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:29 AM Dear Friends, Being a Life member of ISCKON for last 30 years or so, Srila Prabhupada is like one of the other Gurus for me, who was my first Teacher of Krishna consciousness, and any comment about him which is not in good taste, or him being shown in not a good light, or in relation to amusement, or his writings being misinterpreted in any manner and the meanings twisted,or he being quoted without supporting evidences of references, would call for an explanation from me. Thanks, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > Namaste John, > > I have asked many Vaishnavas and they do not know where Srila Prabhupada has said this. Will you please give us the Verse No. from the SrimadBhagavatam where the purport is mentioned so ? I have the Bhagavatam translated by SrilaPrabhupada and I will wait for you to point out the verse. > > > Mr.Vinay is right about his theories about imaginary planets. There are many other facts which if I put here, you may find it astonishing and amusing. So better we dont serve pearls to just anyone. > > > Please give us the name and Page number and stotra no. of the vedic text where it is mentioned that Moon was estimated to be more .......... > > > It is preposterous thinking that anybody studying the Vedic texts must be familiar with the distances of the Planets. > > My agenda is well known by the thousands of the members on various forums-Sharing Information and learning, but NOT commenting derogatorily on the Great ones, or making issues out of Non-issues. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar, > > > > My responses to your comments are as follows: > > > > 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ? > > > > Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to the Shrimad Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to this fact. > > > > 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ? > > > > I assumed that he may know because of his theories about imaginary planets against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon was estimated to be more distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this information has a direct bearing to assessing the nature of the imaginary planets. > > > > 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ? > > > > Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be familiar with the distances of the planets based on numbers written on the texts. As such, determining the longitudes and latitudes of the various planets in imaginary terms may be affected. > > > > 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ? > > > > You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything derogatory about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men. > > > > 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it is not ? > > > > Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be demoted. Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am using strictly the ancient jyotish method. > > > > 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your > subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ? > > > > I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in astrological readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient texts as it relates to jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once again misinterpreted my intentions as you often do among members of the jyotish forums. > > > > 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ? > > > > What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is listed on this particular forum. > > > > 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards.> > > > > You made a mistake in your judgement. > > > > > > 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so ? > > > > See my response above. > > > > 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ? > > > > I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in San Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in London left the Church. > > > > Regards, > > > > JR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Can we not discuss Cardinal Problems of Astrology with respect to real problems of practising astrologers ? -VJ , " indiadirector " <raj wrote: > > If there is no satisfactory answer, I see no point in continuing with this discussion. > > raj > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Being a Life member of ISCKON for last 30 years or so, Srila Prabhupada is like one of the other Gurus for me, who was my first Teacher of Krishna consciousness, and any comment about him which is not in good taste, or him being shown in not a good light, or in relation to amusement, or his writings being misinterpreted in any manner and the meanings twisted,or he being quoted without supporting evidences of references, would call for an explanation from me. > > > > Thanks, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste John, > > > > > > I have asked many Vaishnavas and they do not know where Srila Prabhupada has said this. Will you please give us the Verse No. from the SrimadBhagavatam where the purport is mentioned so ? I have the Bhagavatam translated by SrilaPrabhupada and I will wait for you to point out the verse. > > > > > > > > > Mr.Vinay is right about his theories about imaginary planets. There are many other facts which if I put here, you may find it astonishing and amusing. So better we dont serve pearls to just anyone. > > > > > > > > > Please give us the name and Page number and stotra no. of the vedic text where it is mentioned that Moon was estimated to be more .......... > > > > > > > > > It is preposterous thinking that anybody studying the Vedic texts must be familiar with the distances of the Planets. > > > > > > My agenda is well known by the thousands of the members on various forums-Sharing Information and learning, but NOT commenting derogatorily on the Great ones, or making issues out of Non-issues. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > My responses to your comments are as follows: > > > > > > > > 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ? > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to the Shrimad Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to this fact. > > > > > > > > 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ? > > > > > > > > I assumed that he may know because of his theories about imaginary planets against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon was estimated to be more distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this information has a direct bearing to assessing the nature of the imaginary planets. > > > > > > > > 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ? > > > > > > > > Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be familiar with the distances of the planets based on numbers written on the texts. As such, determining the longitudes and latitudes of the various planets in imaginary terms may be affected. > > > > > > > > 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ? > > > > > > > > You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything derogatory about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men. > > > > > > > > 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it is not ? > > > > > > > > Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be demoted. Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am using strictly the ancient jyotish method. > > > > > > > > 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your > subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ? > > > > > > > > I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in astrological readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient texts as it relates to jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once again misinterpreted my intentions as you often do among members of the jyotish forums. > > > > > > > > 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ? > > > > > > > > What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is listed on this particular forum. > > > > > > > > 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards.> > > > > > > > > You made a mistake in your judgement. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so ? > > > > > > > > See my response above. > > > > > > > > 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ? > > > > > > > > I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in San Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in London left the Church. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Dear Shri Vinayji, Please continue with your threads, many things are being cleared to all of us. Thanks --- On Tue, 4/7/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote: vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 Re: Some Cardinal Problems of Astrology Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 7:09 PM Can we not discuss Cardinal Problems of Astrology with respect to real problems of practising astrologers ? -VJ , " indiadirector " <raj wrote: > > If there is no satisfactory answer, I see no point in continuing with this discussion. > > raj > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Being a Life member of ISCKON for last 30 years or so, Srila Prabhupada is like one of the other Gurus for me, who was my first Teacher of Krishna consciousness, and any comment about him which is not in good taste, or him being shown in not a good light, or in relation to amusement, or his writings being misinterpreted in any manner and the meanings twisted,or he being quoted without supporting evidences of references, would call for an explanation from me. > > > > Thanks, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste John, > > > > > > I have asked many Vaishnavas and they do not know where Srila Prabhupada has said this. Will you please give us the Verse No. from the SrimadBhagavatam where the purport is mentioned so ? I have the Bhagavatam translated by SrilaPrabhupada and I will wait for you to point out the verse. > > > > > > > > > Mr.Vinay is right about his theories about imaginary planets. There are many other facts which if I put here, you may find it astonishing and amusing. So better we dont serve pearls to just anyone. > > > > > > > > > Please give us the name and Page number and stotra no. of the vedic text where it is mentioned that Moon was estimated to be more .......... > > > > > > > > > It is preposterous thinking that anybody studying the Vedic texts must be familiar with the distances of the Planets. > > > > > > My agenda is well known by the thousands of the members on various forums-Sharing Information and learning, but NOT commenting derogatorily on the Great ones, or making issues out of Non-issues. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > My responses to your comments are as follows: > > > > > > > > 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ? > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to the Shrimad Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to this fact.. > > > > > > > > 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ? > > > > > > > > I assumed that he may know because of his theories about imaginary planets against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon was estimated to be more distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this information has a direct bearing to assessing the nature of the imaginary planets. > > > > > > > > 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ? > > > > > > > > Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be familiar with the distances of the planets based on numbers written on the texts. As such, determining the longitudes and latitudes of the various planets in imaginary terms may be affected. > > > > > > > > 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ? > > > > > > > > You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything derogatory about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men. > > > > > > > > 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it is not ? > > > > > > > > Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be demoted. Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am using strictly the ancient jyotish method. > > > > > > > > 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your > subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ? > > > > > > > > I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in astrological readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient texts as it relates to jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once again misinterpreted my intentions as you often do among members of the jyotish forums. > > > > > > > > 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ? > > > > > > > > What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is listed on this particular forum. > > > > > > > > 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards.> > > > > > > > > You made a mistake in your judgement. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so ? > > > > > > > > See my response above. > > > > > > > > 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ? > > > > > > > > I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in San Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in London left the Church. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Duscussion has been started and now getting speedup. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > > Yes Sir, I have had my say. Thanks. > From my side the discussion on this thread is closed. > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " indiadirector " <raj@> wrote: > > > > If there is no satisfactory answer, I see no point in continuing with this discussion. > > > > raj > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > Being a Life member of ISCKON for last 30 years or so, Srila Prabhupada is like one of the other Gurus for me, who was my first Teacher of Krishna consciousness, and any comment about him which is not in good taste, or him being shown in not a good light, or in relation to amusement, or his writings being misinterpreted in any manner and the meanings twisted,or he being quoted without supporting evidences of references, would call for an explanation from me. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste John, > > > > > > > > I have asked many Vaishnavas and they do not know where Srila Prabhupada has said this. Will you please give us the Verse No. from the SrimadBhagavatam where the purport is mentioned so ? I have the Bhagavatam translated by SrilaPrabhupada and I will wait for you to point out the verse. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr.Vinay is right about his theories about imaginary planets. There are many other facts which if I put here, you may find it astonishing and amusing. So better we dont serve pearls to just anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us the name and Page number and stotra no. of the vedic text where it is mentioned that Moon was estimated to be more .......... > > > > > > > > > > > > It is preposterous thinking that anybody studying the Vedic texts must be familiar with the distances of the Planets. > > > > > > > > My agenda is well known by the thousands of the members on various forums-Sharing Information and learning, but NOT commenting derogatorily on the Great ones, or making issues out of Non-issues. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > My responses to your comments are as follows: > > > > > > > > > > 1. > Where is it written that Srila Prabhupada did not believe that the USA astronauts did not land on the Moon ? > > > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada wrote this opinion in one of his purports to the Shrimad Bhagavatam. If you ask any Vaishnavas, they will attest to this fact. > > > > > > > > > > 2. > And if according to You SrilaPrabhupada said that the Astrronauts did not land on the Moon, then how can Mr.Vinay answer where did they land ? > > > > > > > > > > I assumed that he may know because of his theories about imaginary planets against actual planets. In the vedic texts, the Moon was estimated to be more distant from Earth than the Sun. I believe this information has a direct bearing to assessing the nature of the imaginary planets. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Is this question not to be put to Srila Prabhupada ? > > > > > > > > > > Very true. But anyone who studies the vedic texts should be familiar with the distances of the planets based on numbers written on the texts. As such, determining the longitudes and latitudes of the various planets in imaginary terms may be affected. > > > > > > > > > > 4. > Instead of talking derogatorily on Indians and their Great men, is it not better to talk about Jyotish in a Jyotish Group ? > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstand my point. I don't believe I said anything derogatory about Srila Prabhupada or any other Indian great men. > > > > > > > > > > 5. > What about Pluto ? Why cant we talk about the faux paus created by westerners who once discover that it is a planet and at other times say that it is not ? > > > > > > > > > > Definitions of planets have changed. Therefore, Pluto has to be demoted. Personally, I don't use Pluto for astrological analysis. I am using strictly the ancient jyotish method. > > > > > > > > > > 6.> I find you and Marg using the Indian astrological techniques for your > subsistence, but actually not being respectful towards the Indians for the knowledge received through them. Why have we always to speak and question the Indian Masters for what they said or did not, what they discovered or not, or why they said what they did ? > > > > > > > > > > I am not a professional jyotishi and don't make any money in astrological readings. My primary objective is research of the ancient texts as it relates to jyotish and overall philosophy in life. You once again misinterpreted my intentions as you often do among members of the jyotish forums. > > > > > > > > > > 7.> Dont we have a better agenda other than this ? > > > > > > > > > > What is your agenda? I don't have any agenda other than what is listed on this particular forum. > > > > > > > > > > 8. > And mind it, I may be wrong about my judgement about You and Marg, because I am humane and observe only through actions projected by Your goodselves through your postings. If Your intentions are sincere then I need to have the proofs of the same through respectful postings towards the Indian masters both Astrological and Spiritual, towards whom the World looks upwards.> > > > > > > > > > > You made a mistake in your judgement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9.> Why do we suddenly out of the blue jump on what Srila Prabhupada said without giving the reference and context why he said so ? > > > > > > > > > > See my response above. > > > > > > > > > > 10. > Lets talk on astrology. Why did a more than 1 Lakh catholics of London dechristen themselves from the Church , last year, due to getting fed up of the Church and Christianity ? What was the mundane astrological reasons affecting London to make them do so ? > > > > > > > > > > I really have not thought of that question. For one, I live in San Francisco, California USA. I don't really care why Catholics in London left the Church. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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