Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Dear Marg, If it is 8:50 BDT, then it should be 7:50 GMT right? Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Monday, 20 April, 2009 12:56:16 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation Ron No... it is 1961 she is now 48 years old and I got my data from Marjorie Orr though yes did wrongly quote 1971 instead of 1961 - RonDay Monday, April 20, 2009 2:32 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation Hello Marg, The 1971 date seems to be correct. From her own mouth she is nearly 40. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9lp0IWv8QZY Using your data ,Taurus ascendant seems to fit( approx. 17deg) This would account for the following— difficult birth mild brain damage learning difficulties musical talent Ron Marg wrote: > Hi Everyone > thought you might be interested in this data: > Susan Boyle was born on 1 April 1971 and the only time given out so far is 9:50 am BST which would be 8 50 BDT but is not yet confirmed. I got the time from Marjorie Orr a UK astrologer, but she is doubtful about it. > Co ordinates for Blackburn Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland 55°54′08″N 3°38′35″W > You can go on youtube to listen to her, Demi Moore thinks she is the best thing she has ever heard and the US have stood up to applaud her voice. > I think this time may be correct as she has L1 in ninth an is very religious, and Rahu in third meaning she is youngest, and she has 9 siblings five girls four boys two of which have died. Also mother died two years ago which works out nicely with the data and chart. > Mother was a typist father a storeman at British Leyland car makers. > Let me know what you think? Best wishes > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Dear All, I feel 1 April 1961 with Gemini lagna is more likely the correct time as against 15 June 1961. *Some striking factors seem to be:* 2-3 lords for singing, moon and sun in 4-10 axis in degree aspect with each other. Both are strong and digbali which is something very important. Moon in mercury’s sign virgo in own star and sun in pisces in mercury’s (LL) star. Mars the 6/11L of competitions and success in lagna and look at the degrees of sun-moon-mars. When such a person goes for a singing (2/3Ls) competition (6/11), who can stop her with her LL in 9H and the antar of LL himself. From moon also 2L is venus aspects 2H, and 3L mars strongly takes charge of 10H while also aspecting moon. According to this chart, she was running *sa-me-mo on 11 Apr 2009*, which explains her entry and stupendous success quite clearly, not only from natal chart, but also from her d-10. From D-1, Saturn is 9L in 8H aspecting 10H (karma), 2H (voice) and 5H (exalted drishti on previous merits, as from moon also sat is in own 5H), mercury is LL/4L in 9H the factor of luck through self and masses (4H) and 2L moon, herself in 4H of mercury is self-explanatory. Sun as 3L of efforts and singing is calling shots from the 10H. (it is in lagna in D-9) In D-10, Saturn (MD lord) exalted in 3H of throat and singing, mer (AD lord) the karak of vaani exalted in the 2H of voice, and moon, the PD lord moon, though in debilitation (this has other significations), is digbali aspected by LL sun and 3/10L venus in 10H. In transit on 11 April 2009, both saturn and mercury are aspecting moon, who is in 2H from itself in Libra. The beauty is that all planets (from moon), aspect moon sign, sun, venus from 7H, Jupiter from 5H and mars from 6H of competition. I feel David, 15 June chart is not so strong as this one. Another important point, which Marg also mentioned is Rahu in 3H, which has made her the youngest. 15 June chart is likely to give her younger siblings. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Hi Krishnamurthy Time is 9 50 British Summer/standard time, 08 50 GMT Difficult nowadays to put the agreed abbreviations. In my day there was just BST and GMT but I notice many programmes now are using newer versions of time. I will add this note to this question for others to make note of: In 1968 British Summer time of 1 hour was added throughout the year from 18 Feb 1968 till 31 October 1971 continuously and BST in these years stood for British Standard Time. Hope this helps...wont tell you about DST just yet...will save that for later:O) best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Monday, April 20, 2009 9:25 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear Marg, If it is 8:50 BDT, then it should be 7:50 GMT right? Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Monday, 20 April, 2009 12:56:16 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation Ron No... it is 1961 she is now 48 years old and I got my data from Marjorie Orr though yes did wrongly quote 1971 instead of 1961 - RonDay Monday, April 20, 2009 2:32 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation Hello Marg, The 1971 date seems to be correct. From her own mouth she is nearly 40. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9lp0IWv8QZY Using your data ,Taurus ascendant seems to fit( approx. 17deg) This would account for the following— difficult birth mild brain damage learning difficulties musical talent Ron Marg wrote: > Hi Everyone > thought you might be interested in this data: > Susan Boyle was born on 1 April 1971 and the only time given out so far is 9:50 am BST which would be 8 50 BDT but is not yet confirmed. I got the time from Marjorie Orr a UK astrologer, but she is doubtful about it. > Co ordinates for Blackburn Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland 55°54′08″N 3°38′35″W > You can go on youtube to listen to her, Demi Moore thinks she is the best thing she has ever heard and the US have stood up to applaud her voice. > I think this time may be correct as she has L1 in ninth an is very religious, and Rahu in third meaning she is youngest, and she has 9 siblings five girls four boys two of which have died. Also mother died two years ago which works out nicely with the data and chart. > Mother was a typist father a storeman at British Leyland car makers. > Let me know what you think? Best wishes > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Thanks Marg for the clarification! Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Monday, 20 April, 2009 3:01:29 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Krishnamurthy Time is 9 50 British Summer/standard time, 08 50 GMT Difficult nowadays to put the agreed abbreviations. In my day there was just BST and GMT but I notice many programmes now are using newer versions of time. I will add this note to this question for others to make note of: In 1968 British Summer time of 1 hour was added throughout the year from 18 Feb 1968 till 31 October 1971 continuously and BST in these years stood for British Standard Time. Hope this helps...wont tell you about DST just yet...will save that for later:O) best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Monday, April 20, 2009 9:25 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear Marg, If it is 8:50 BDT, then it should be 7:50 GMT right? Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Monday, 20 April, 2009 12:56:16 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation Ron No... it is 1961 she is now 48 years old and I got my data from Marjorie Orr though yes did wrongly quote 1971 instead of 1961 - RonDay Monday, April 20, 2009 2:32 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation Hello Marg, The 1971 date seems to be correct. From her own mouth she is nearly 40. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9lp0IWv8QZY Using your data ,Taurus ascendant seems to fit( approx. 17deg) This would account for the following— difficult birth mild brain damage learning difficulties musical talent Ron Marg wrote: > Hi Everyone > thought you might be interested in this data: > Susan Boyle was born on 1 April 1971 and the only time given out so far is 9:50 am BST which would be 8 50 BDT but is not yet confirmed. I got the time from Marjorie Orr a UK astrologer, but she is doubtful about it. > Co ordinates for Blackburn Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland 55°54′08″N 3°38′35″W > You can go on youtube to listen to her, Demi Moore thinks she is the best thing she has ever heard and the US have stood up to applaud her voice. > I think this time may be correct as she has L1 in ninth an is very religious, and Rahu in third meaning she is youngest, and she has 9 siblings five girls four boys two of which have died. Also mother died two years ago which works out nicely with the data and chart. > Mother was a typist father a storeman at British Leyland car makers. > Let me know what you think? Best wishes > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Hi Neelam and Everyone, yes the 1961 chart does work out with the 9 50 birth time I think which was why I felt confident to use it once it was given. It's also a lovely example of the power of a retro Venus at birth manifesting musical ability which she will gain financially from due to eleventh house occupation of Venus which aspects own house---fifth of performing arts and fame? She also gains overseas fame due to L12 being in eleventh house of gains, fifth fame, 12th is overseas, eleventh gain, so gain of fame overseas, and all this at the time of current transit of Venus being retrograde ---- a karmic return? I would attribute learning difficulties she had to L2 moon association with L6 mars---a classic combi in charts of dyslexics especially. The L3 in tenth is odd though, self employment and self made woman? Notice that pranadasa run on 11 April when the show went live on air for the first time, I get Sa Me Mo Ju and Ketu ----Ketu pranadasa ruler being in ninth house of fame.....(calcs by my prog might differ with yours) Sat rules ninth, Merc L1 in ninth along with Ketu, while moon aspects tenth house, and SooksD ruler Jupiter L7 makes one take up work in public arena..... Do you think also that Venus L5 in eleventh will make her older siblings treat her like the child of the family, the retro nature of Venus would seem to indicate harm to childbearing for her---no children Notice natal vargottama Mars and on 21 April transit Mars and Venus are in conjunction up above...................both of them kissing in Susan's tenth house, the ancients Gods Mars and Venus had a daughter when they conjoined, and the daughter, ironically in light of this chart, was named Harmony.....beautiful and timely! love m - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 Monday, April 20, 2009 10:07 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear All, I feel 1 April 1961 with Gemini lagna is more likely the correct time as against 15 June 1961. *Some striking factors seem to be:* 2-3 lords for singing, moon and sun in 4-10 axis in degree aspect with each other. Both are strong and digbali which is something very important. Moon in mercury's sign virgo in own star and sun in pisces in mercury's (LL) star. Mars the 6/11L of competitions and success in lagna and look at the degrees of sun-moon-mars. When such a person goes for a singing (2/3Ls) competition (6/11), who can stop her with her LL in 9H and the antar of LL himself. From moon also 2L is venus aspects 2H, and 3L mars strongly takes charge of 10H while also aspecting moon. According to this chart, she was running *sa-me-mo on 11 Apr 2009*, which explains her entry and stupendous success quite clearly, not only from natal chart, but also from her d-10. From D-1, Saturn is 9L in 8H aspecting 10H (karma), 2H (voice) and 5H (exalted drishti on previous merits, as from moon also sat is in own 5H), mercury is LL/4L in 9H the factor of luck through self and masses (4H) and 2L moon, herself in 4H of mercury is self-explanatory. Sun as 3L of efforts and singing is calling shots from the 10H. (it is in lagna in D-9) In D-10, Saturn (MD lord) exalted in 3H of throat and singing, mer (AD lord) the karak of vaani exalted in the 2H of voice, and moon, the PD lord moon, though in debilitation (this has other significations), is digbali aspected by LL sun and 3/10L venus in 10H. In transit on 11 April 2009, both saturn and mercury are aspecting moon, who is in 2H from itself in Libra. The beauty is that all planets (from moon), aspect moon sign, sun, venus from 7H, Jupiter from 5H and mars from 6H of competition. I feel David, 15 June chart is not so strong as this one. Another important point, which Marg also mentioned is Rahu in 3H, which has made her the youngest. 15 June chart is likely to give her younger siblings. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju-Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/dispositor in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn’s aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don’t think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must’ve been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju-Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/dispositor in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Thanks everso for the link:-) - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Krishnamurthy Just made some time to read your technique and it does look really excellent . I will try it out on some reliable data of my own when I get time. I really enjoy reading your research studies, they are always so clearly written, objectively conveyed and obviously very well studied before you put them into public scrutiny, and best of all THEY WORK! Does the technique not work with Lahiri ayanamsa? very best wishes m - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Marg, It is really great to receive such a comment from a fellow astrologer. A couple of more astrologers have also given similar feedback privately to me. I have been working on this project for about an year now and finally I was able to give it a shape and make it public. When I get a feedback like this I feel that my efforts did not go waste. My sincere thanks for such a feedback. You may use any ayanamsha of your choice. However, when a planet is on the border specially in Navamsha if changes sign because of certain Ayanamsha the danger is that it could mislead the end result. That is all. It might happen in a few cases. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 9:58:36 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear Krishnamurthy Just made some time to read your technique and it does look really excellent . I will try it out on some reliable data of my own when I get time. I really enjoy reading your research studies, they are always so clearly written, objectively conveyed and obviously very well studied before you put them into public scrutiny, and best of all THEY WORK! Does the technique not work with Lahiri ayanamsa? very best wishes m - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Thanks for that explanation, really useful I also wanted to ask about the Deha sub dasa? Please would you explain this for me as I don't recall using this before--only in your own time, I know how long explanations can take up time, not in a rush thanks M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:57 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear Marg, It is really great to receive such a comment from a fellow astrologer. A couple of more astrologers have also given similar feedback privately to me. I have been working on this project for about an year now and finally I was able to give it a shape and make it public. When I get a feedback like this I feel that my efforts did not go waste. My sincere thanks for such a feedback. You may use any ayanamsha of your choice. However, when a planet is on the border specially in Navamsha if changes sign because of certain Ayanamsha the danger is that it could mislead the end result. That is all. It might happen in a few cases. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 9:58:36 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear Krishnamurthy Just made some time to read your technique and it does look really excellent . I will try it out on some reliable data of my own when I get time. I really enjoy reading your research studies, they are always so clearly written, objectively conveyed and obviously very well studied before you put them into public scrutiny, and best of all THEY WORK! Does the technique not work with Lahiri ayanamsa? very best wishes m - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Dear Marg, The explanation is not long at all. Form me it is simply one level beyond Prana-sub level. I am using Deha-sub level also just because JHora gives the luxury of using that level. And, adjusting time using that level gives us the ability to fine-tune birth time in fractions of seconds. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 10:44:15 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks for that explanation, really useful I also wanted to ask about the Deha sub dasa? Please would you explain this for me as I don't recall using this before--only in your own time, I know how long explanations can take up time, not in a rush thanks M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:57 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear Marg, It is really great to receive such a comment from a fellow astrologer. A couple of more astrologers have also given similar feedback privately to me. I have been working on this project for about an year now and finally I was able to give it a shape and make it public. When I get a feedback like this I feel that my efforts did not go waste. My sincere thanks for such a feedback. You may use any ayanamsha of your choice. However, when a planet is on the border specially in Navamsha if changes sign because of certain Ayanamsha the danger is that it could mislead the end result. That is all. It might happen in a few cases. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 9:58:36 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear Krishnamurthy Just made some time to read your technique and it does look really excellent . I will try it out on some reliable data of my own when I get time. I really enjoy reading your research studies, they are always so clearly written, objectively conveyed and obviously very well studied before you put them into public scrutiny, and best of all THEY WORK! Does the technique not work with Lahiri ayanamsa? very best wishes m - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Hi Krishnamurthy Thanks for your reply. - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:01 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear Marg, The explanation is not long at all. Form me it is simply one level beyond Prana-sub level. I am using Deha-sub level also just because JHora gives the luxury of using that level. And, adjusting time using that level gives us the ability to fine-tune birth time in fractions of seconds. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 10:44:15 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks for that explanation, really useful I also wanted to ask about the Deha sub dasa? Please would you explain this for me as I don't recall using this before--only in your own time, I know how long explanations can take up time, not in a rush thanks M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:57 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear Marg, It is really great to receive such a comment from a fellow astrologer. A couple of more astrologers have also given similar feedback privately to me. I have been working on this project for about an year now and finally I was able to give it a shape and make it public. When I get a feedback like this I feel that my efforts did not go waste. My sincere thanks for such a feedback. You may use any ayanamsha of your choice. However, when a planet is on the border specially in Navamsha if changes sign because of certain Ayanamsha the danger is that it could mislead the end result. That is all. It might happen in a few cases. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 9:58:36 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Dear Krishnamurthy Just made some time to read your technique and it does look really excellent . I will try it out on some reliable data of my own when I get time. I really enjoy reading your research studies, they are always so clearly written, objectively conveyed and obviously very well studied before you put them into public scrutiny, and best of all THEY WORK! Does the technique not work with Lahiri ayanamsa? very best wishes m - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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