Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 RR ji I hope you will take my words seriously and positively. You do not know that whatever problem you are watching is artificial. Large files create problem in downloading at busy servers, which some people wrongly imagine to be due to defect in my software. Whether a software is defective or not can be tested only after running it, downloading has nothing to do with this fact. After I got messages from Bhaskarji that he is facing problems in downloading, I removed entire folder 'Support' which contained essential files needed to make this software work on all platforms. Thereafter, downloading became swifter, but some people started complaining about run time errors, which is due to absence of some crucial files (either due to defective download or due to absence of some API files in their versions of Window installed on their computers). Now I feel I should not have responded to downloading compaints which were due to busy server or interrupted internet of Bhaskar ji. I have reloaded 'Support' folder at Download_Full_Version and other helpful files may be viewed at links provided on that page. I am in my 50th year now. I do not want to be engulfed in useless things which distract me from my main task which is moksha. Now, only one person is trying to distract me over useless topics in which he has no sincere interest. I know how to tackle these persons. If need arises, I will ask my scholar friends to take care of these persons. I have not been able to track the person who tried to sell Kundalee through download.com, but I suspect it should be related to attempts by some dedicated persons to declare me an outcaste in internet. Or, it may also be related to my crime of knowing the obscure mathematics of ancient astronomy which so-called experts of history of hindu astronomy do not like. I do not care. You should retry installing this software from the link given above which has been revised today to take care of different platforms. I am taking your suggestion seriously and stating my objectives more clearly and precisely, because a lot of haze has been created by some persons who do not read my articles and imagine things which I never said. I never said I or anyone else can predict anything definitely. But as far as software is concerned, Kundalee is the best doftware for predicting the Timing of Events. It is another thing most of our good pre-dictions are post-dictions, as you once acknowledged. Even after making world's best and most accurate and most comprehensive softwares, no one will ever be able to predict events precisely. While going to Ujjain for delivering a lecture last month, I said to my companion that my 6th and 12th bhaavas are not good and I suspect some loss or conflict. There was a deliberate attempt to get me involved in local conflicts of pandits there, but I kept aloof. Had I got involved, I could have saved a costly equipment which I lost while returning. Although I knew I will lose something, I could not predict it accurately and could not save it. But the fact that this loss was written in my horoscope gave me pleasure that some past karma was wiped out by this loss. -VJ ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:19:00 AM To Vinay Ji Dear Vinay ji, Please take this in the right spirit. You know that I admire your courage and oneness of purpose, I hope. Here is what I see, as a distant observer who I was introduced to by Proj-ji, a very fine and brilliant and outspoken man (reminds me of one of my Mamajis but what is in a name or surname?): You have chosen for yourself what most of us ordinary folks would say, a rather difficult path. Monastic life is not exactly a roll in silk, more like a role in coarse cotton and frugality and minimalizing on the unnecessary and maximizing on the ESSENTIAL! I see you, and please feel free to ask me publicly or privately to shut up and I will respect your wish, I see you as fighting too many battles on too many fronts and quite frankly getting harassed and your message getting diluted and distracted! You have created a FREEWARE as it must be technically called. Describe its purpose and background and rather different nature of distribution. Most of us lazy and distracted people have gotten spoilt by the easy installations through instashield etc. I kind of sense that you are working your way towards that but we all just keep pulling you down and distracting you and then you feel forced to explain and so on and on. This will not help anyone, neither you nor others who want to use your work sincerely. Obviously, you have much knowledge in astronomy and related areas and hinduism and tantra etc, but PLEASE - one project at a time, Sir! :-) You are young and it will all get done, one bite, one nivala at a time. There is no hurry really. Isn't that what being a monk is really all about? The ONE-POINTED TRATAK that JWAALA is capable of, as long as SHE does not allow the wisps of vagrant Vayu to control HER TAPA and TAAPA! Just a thought in passing ... Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, I have always taken your words very seriously and positively, just as I would take any other serious jyotish or other vidvaan seriously as well. My writing and expression style is a bit flawed and sometimes is misperceived as 'flippant', 'sarcastic' even arrogant at times as I have been called. I do tend to use humour a bit, but not to make light of something but to ease the tensions between communicators because when emotions are aroused, rational discussions suffer. It is sad that for whatever reasons, the discussions about your software have been meeting with a lot of resistance and some of it could be due to the technical problems either in the packaging of the modules (in the past but you ARE working on that assiduously and that is appreciated, really. You are spending your valuable time in the exercise and perhaps some people do not realize that). So as a bystander what I am seeing is that the discussion moves forward two steps then slips back or sideways (none of your making, by the way) and so to the reader all this may seem a bit frustrating and confusing. Please do not take this wrongly but I sense a degree of urgency in your postings, more so lately. You want more and more people to test your software, and as soon as possible. Perhaps people are subconsciously tuning into this expressed urgency wrongly or incorrectly. For you, the urgency may be because this is a minor part of your spiritual plan and you want to move on to things that are more important to your soul, but most worldly people are probably seeing something else and hence all these resistances and discussions which sadly go nowhere and three threads and two forums later, we are all back to where we began, discussion-wise if you catch my drift. Please understand, I am just stating the way I am seeing it, as someone who entered this ongoing saga somewhere in the middle, so I am not claiming that my understanding of the dynamics behind these discussions and about all parties involved -- necessarily correct. Maybe others have different views or understanding and I would not be surprised if that be the case. So, anyway, all these words from me to make sure you understand that I am not expressing distrust or giving in to any base instincts! Others may disagree and even take me to task, but nearly 30 years on cyber-fora in different settings (some preceding internet!) have given me ample evidence that internet discussions do not go very far in terms of depth, seriousness, sometimes sincerity and so perhaps not a suitable or satisfying medium for all the serious discussions that sometimes start on it and soon fritter away into something else. Please (you and others!) do not get me wrong! I am not saying that it is a waste of time or not wonderful in terms of being stimulating, challenging and so on but that does not seem to be the objective of many of the serious academic discussions that I have seen. And I don't mean this forum but in general. RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > RR ji > I hope you will take my words seriously and positively. You do not know that whatever problem you are watching is artificial. Large files create problem in downloading at busy servers, which some people wrongly imagine to be due to defect in my software. Whether a software is defective or not can be tested only after running it, downloading has nothing to do with this fact. After I got messages from Bhaskarji that he is facing problems in downloading, I removed entire folder 'Support' which contained essential files needed to make this software work on all platforms. Thereafter, downloading became swifter, but some people started complaining about run time errors, which is due to absence of some crucial files (either due to defective download or due to absence of some API files in their versions of Window installed on their computers). Now I feel I should not have responded to downloading compaints which were due to busy server or interrupted internet > of Bhaskar ji. I have reloaded 'Support' folder at Download_Full_Version and other helpful files may be viewed at links provided on that page. > I am in my 50th year now. I do not want to be engulfed in useless things which distract me from my main task which is moksha. Now, only one person is trying to distract me over useless topics in which he has no sincere interest. I know how to tackle these persons. If need arises, I will ask my scholar friends to take care of these persons. I have not been able to track the person who tried to sell Kundalee through download.com, but I suspect it should be related to attempts by some dedicated persons to declare me an outcaste in internet. Or, it may also be related to my crime of knowing the obscure mathematics of ancient astronomy which so-called experts of history of hindu astronomy do not like. I do not care. > You should retry installing this software from the link given above which has been revised today to take care of different platforms. I am taking your suggestion seriously and stating my objectives more clearly and precisely, because a lot of haze has been created by some persons who do not read my articles and imagine things which I never said. I never said I or anyone else can predict anything definitely. But as far as software is concerned, Kundalee is the best doftware for predicting the Timing of Events. It is another thing most of our good pre-dictions are post-dictions, as you once acknowledged. Even after making world's best and most accurate and most comprehensive softwares, no one will ever be able to predict events precisely. While going to Ujjain for delivering a lecture last month, I said to my companion that my 6th and 12th bhaavas are not good and I suspect some loss or conflict. There was a deliberate attempt to get me involved in local > conflicts of pandits there, but I kept aloof. Had I got involved, I could have saved a costly equipment which I lost while returning. Although I knew I will lose something, I could not predict it accurately and could not save it. But the fact that this loss was written in my horoscope gave me pleasure that some past karma was wiped out by this loss. > -VJ ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:19:00 AM > To Vinay Ji > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji, > > Please take this in the right spirit. You know that I admire your courage and oneness of purpose, I hope. > > Here is what I see, as a distant observer who I was introduced to by Proj-ji, a very fine and brilliant and outspoken man (reminds me of one of my Mamajis but what is in a name or surname?): > > You have chosen for yourself what most of us ordinary folks would say, a rather difficult path. Monastic life is not exactly a roll in silk, more like a role in coarse cotton and frugality and minimalizing on the unnecessary and maximizing on the ESSENTIAL! > > I see you, and please feel free to ask me publicly or privately to shut up and I will respect your wish, I see you as fighting too many battles on too many fronts and quite frankly getting harassed and your message getting diluted and distracted! > > You have created a FREEWARE as it must be technically called. Describe its purpose and background and rather different nature of distribution. Most of us lazy and distracted people have gotten spoilt by the easy installations through instashield etc. I kind of sense that you are working your way towards that but we all just keep pulling you down and distracting you and then you feel forced to explain and so on and on. This will not help anyone, neither you nor others who want to use your work sincerely. > > Obviously, you have much knowledge in astronomy and related areas and hinduism and tantra etc, but PLEASE - one project at a time, Sir! :-) > > You are young and it will all get done, one bite, one nivala at a time. There is no hurry really. Isn't that what being a monk is really all about? The ONE-POINTED TRATAK that JWAALA is capable of, as long as SHE does not allow the wisps of vagrant Vayu to control HER TAPA and TAAPA! > > Just a thought in passing ... > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 RR ji, There is no other way to test the validity of Suryasiddhanta than to test the astrological software based on it. Those who successfully installed it have no time to test it, and those who tested it and found it to be astonishingly true are reporting it privately, but not publicly, perhaps due to a fear of being attacked by the team of AIA. Previously I avoided internet fora, because I knew it is not for serious discussion. But other fora are not better. I have been invited at an astrological conference in Sampoornanad Sanskrit University tomorrow which I am avoiding, because the topic was merely historical. I visit only those conferences where free and fair discussion is possible. And I am successful everywhere I go. That is why some conferences are now held with limited agenda so that I should not discuss the relevance of Suryasiddhanta, although it is a compulsory textbook at Acharya level which no professor knows how to teach mathematically. My crime is that I know its mathematics. If you talk with some Sanskrit professors of Jyotisha about me in private, you will find some of them enraged at my " claims " of knowing Suryasiddhanta. Many people are swayed by opinions of such professors. There is only one way to know the truth about these experts : ask them to compute planetary positions according to any past or present siddhanta. This is the reason why they are against me, which I proved in a high court of law, after which some of them have come out into open in mu support, although I never nheld any post anywhere. I want to avoid all discussion in fora or in conferences. I made a software which people should either test or reject. Why some persons are wasting my time over useless discussions ??? Because they have nothing else to do. If they do not like my software, they should forget me. But not, they have to prove my software wrong without testing it. A handful of persons have no interest in testing my software, yet are adamant on diverting or destroying all fruitful discussions. Private message to RR ji alone : Kaala will take care of us all. Kaala was slow in ancient ages, but now-a-days it is faster. You will see results in your lifetime (I hope and wish you should live at least for 3-4 decades). Here I am giving a prediction which you may be able to test within two decades : the ultimate population of mankind is 6227 millions. Demographers are putting it at 6.5 billions now, which is mere guesswork based on past trends. Demographers project a stabilization at 15-20 billions around 2050-2070 AD, which is bogus. No specie can ever be stable in this martyaloka. After a maximum population, extinction starts. This D-day for Homo Sapiens Idiotes was nirayana makara samkraanti of early 2000 AD, after which a 1200 year long utsarpini Kaala started. This unwritten Drikpakshiya Suryasiddhanta has a year of 365.25 days exactly (with an error of 1 day in 16000 years) as mentioned by Bhaskara-II, with Suryasiddhantic nirayana makara samkraanti as onset of year, which was the New Year of Julian (actually Egyptian) calendar which Pope Gregory shifted back. it is useless to DISCUSS these things with " scholars " who are going to become extinct soon. All of us should save our souls, and not care for the physical world or physical body. -VJ ========================= =============== ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:28:12 AM Re: To Vinay Ji Dear Vinay ji, I have always taken your words very seriously and positively, just as I would take any other serious jyotish or other vidvaan seriously as well. My writing and expression style is a bit flawed and sometimes is misperceived as 'flippant', 'sarcastic' even arrogant at times as I have been called. I do tend to use humour a bit, but not to make light of something but to ease the tensions between communicators because when emotions are aroused, rational discussions suffer. It is sad that for whatever reasons, the discussions about your software have been meeting with a lot of resistance and some of it could be due to the technical problems either in the packaging of the modules (in the past but you ARE working on that assiduously and that is appreciated, really. You are spending your valuable time in the exercise and perhaps some people do not realize that). So as a bystander what I am seeing is that the discussion moves forward two steps then slips back or sideways (none of your making, by the way) and so to the reader all this may seem a bit frustrating and confusing. Please do not take this wrongly but I sense a degree of urgency in your postings, more so lately. You want more and more people to test your software, and as soon as possible. Perhaps people are subconsciously tuning into this expressed urgency wrongly or incorrectly. For you, the urgency may be because this is a minor part of your spiritual plan and you want to move on to things that are more important to your soul, but most worldly people are probably seeing something else and hence all these resistances and discussions which sadly go nowhere and three threads and two forums later, we are all back to where we began, discussion-wise if you catch my drift. Please understand, I am just stating the way I am seeing it, as someone who entered this ongoing saga somewhere in the middle, so I am not claiming that my understanding of the dynamics behind these discussions and about all parties involved -- necessarily correct. Maybe others have different views or understanding and I would not be surprised if that be the case. So, anyway, all these words from me to make sure you understand that I am not expressing distrust or giving in to any base instincts! Others may disagree and even take me to task, but nearly 30 years on cyber-fora in different settings (some preceding internet!) have given me ample evidence that internet discussions do not go very far in terms of depth, seriousness, sometimes sincerity and so perhaps not a suitable or satisfying medium for all the serious discussions that sometimes start on it and soon fritter away into something else. Please (you and others!) do not get me wrong! I am not saying that it is a waste of time or not wonderful in terms of being stimulating, challenging and so on but that does not seem to be the objective of many of the serious academic discussions that I have seen. And I don't mean this forum but in general. RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > RR ji > I hope you will take my words seriously and positively. You do not know that whatever problem you are watching is artificial. Large files create problem in downloading at busy servers, which some people wrongly imagine to be due to defect in my software. Whether a software is defective or not can be tested only after running it, downloading has nothing to do with this fact. After I got messages from Bhaskarji that he is facing problems in downloading, I removed entire folder 'Support' which contained essential files needed to make this software work on all platforms. Thereafter, downloading became swifter, but some people started complaining about run time errors, which is due to absence of some crucial files (either due to defective download or due to absence of some API files in their versions of Window installed on their computers). Now I feel I should not have responded to downloading compaints which were due to busy server or interrupted internet > of Bhaskar ji. I have reloaded 'Support' folder at Download_Full_ Version and other helpful files may be viewed at links provided on that page. > I am in my 50th year now. I do not want to be engulfed in useless things which distract me from my main task which is moksha. Now, only one person is trying to distract me over useless topics in which he has no sincere interest. I know how to tackle these persons. If need arises, I will ask my scholar friends to take care of these persons. I have not been able to track the person who tried to sell Kundalee through download.com, but I suspect it should be related to attempts by some dedicated persons to declare me an outcaste in internet. Or, it may also be related to my crime of knowing the obscure mathematics of ancient astronomy which so-called experts of history of hindu astronomy do not like. I do not care. > You should retry installing this software from the link given above which has been revised today to take care of different platforms. I am taking your suggestion seriously and stating my objectives more clearly and precisely, because a lot of haze has been created by some persons who do not read my articles and imagine things which I never said. I never said I or anyone else can predict anything definitely. But as far as software is concerned, Kundalee is the best doftware for predicting the Timing of Events. It is another thing most of our good pre-dictions are post-dictions, as you once acknowledged. Even after making world's best and most accurate and most comprehensive softwares, no one will ever be able to predict events precisely. While going to Ujjain for delivering a lecture last month, I said to my companion that my 6th and 12th bhaavas are not good and I suspect some loss or conflict. There was a deliberate attempt to get me involved in local > conflicts of pandits there, but I kept aloof. Had I got involved, I could have saved a costly equipment which I lost while returning. Although I knew I will lose something, I could not predict it accurately and could not save it. But the fact that this loss was written in my horoscope gave me pleasure that some past karma was wiped out by this loss. > -VJ ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:19:00 AM > To Vinay Ji > > > > > > Dear Vinay ji, > > Please take this in the right spirit. You know that I admire your courage and oneness of purpose, I hope. > > Here is what I see, as a distant observer who I was introduced to by Proj-ji, a very fine and brilliant and outspoken man (reminds me of one of my Mamajis but what is in a name or surname?): > > You have chosen for yourself what most of us ordinary folks would say, a rather difficult path. Monastic life is not exactly a roll in silk, more like a role in coarse cotton and frugality and minimalizing on the unnecessary and maximizing on the ESSENTIAL! > > I see you, and please feel free to ask me publicly or privately to shut up and I will respect your wish, I see you as fighting too many battles on too many fronts and quite frankly getting harassed and your message getting diluted and distracted! > > You have created a FREEWARE as it must be technically called. Describe its purpose and background and rather different nature of distribution. Most of us lazy and distracted people have gotten spoilt by the easy installations through instashield etc. I kind of sense that you are working your way towards that but we all just keep pulling you down and distracting you and then you feel forced to explain and so on and on. This will not help anyone, neither you nor others who want to use your work sincerely. > > Obviously, you have much knowledge in astronomy and related areas and hinduism and tantra etc, but PLEASE - one project at a time, Sir! :-) > > You are young and it will all get done, one bite, one nivala at a time. There is no hurry really. Isn't that what being a monk is really all about? The ONE-POINTED TRATAK that JWAALA is capable of, as long as SHE does not allow the wisps of vagrant Vayu to control HER TAPA and TAAPA! > > Just a thought in passing ... > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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