Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Marg and all, Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . Regards, Anna --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM Thanks everso for the link:-) - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Dear Anna and all This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especially Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) best wishes M - bona_mente Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg and all, Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . Regards, Anna --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM Thanks everso for the link:-) - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Dear Marg, I haven't seen maturity becoming such a decisive factor, either. But that overnight change of fortune, so 'outworldly' makes Node theory more compelling- In addition to that, Ketu secured prominence by conjuncting LL in Rashi- we can't expect that Me to be well adapted in material world at the first place. it seems to me that all key words for KertuRahu /suddenness, awkwardness, past life karma/ apply to her entire life, to this blessing in particular. Without Nodal /Divine/ intervention it's hard to explain what happened. And yes Marg, I've been focused on Nodes recently. That may have affected the interpretation- pretty handy Best wishes, Anna --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 2:37 AM Dear Anna and all This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) best wishes M - bona_mente Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg and all, Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . Regards, Anna --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM Thanks everso for the link:-) - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Dear Anna I thought you might also be interested in this snippet of observation about the chart, looking at a wetern perspective, especially as Ketu is one of Moon's nodes: ''Thank you for the link to this lovely article! And isn't it interesting about Susan Boyle sharing her pre-natal ecipse of 26* Aquarius with President Obamah? I wonder when the final of this competition is and if it coincides with the Jupiter/Neptune conjunction at 26* Aquarius?'' end snippet. Here is an article on Mountain Astrologer about the chart, but again it's western. http://mountainastrologer.com/tma/direct-station-of-venus-exalted-in-pisces best wishes M - sar108 Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:06 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg, I haven't seen maturity becoming such a decisive factor, either. But that overnight change of fortune, so 'outworldly' makes Node theory more compelling- In addition to that, Ketu secured prominence by conjuncting LL in Rashi- we can't expect that Me to be well adapted in material world at the first place. it seems to me that all key words for KertuRahu /suddenness, awkwardness, past life karma/ apply to her entire life, to this blessing in particular. Without Nodal /Divine/ intervention it's hard to explain what happened. And yes Marg, I've been focused on Nodes recently. That may have affected the interpretation- pretty handy Best wishes, Anna --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 2:37 AM Dear Anna and all This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) best wishes M - bona_mente Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg and all, Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . Regards, Anna --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM Thanks everso for the link:-) - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 dear marg a matter connected to this topic of success at a late age comes to my mind when i read anna's connecting success with age and your own mail below. i too recall a british tv actress who got her big chance to enact the role of queen elizabeth which could have fetched her an oscar about a couple of years back?! at a late age - beyond 50. the media reported her as saying that she wanted to leave her acting career 2 decades back but wanted to check out her hc anyway at that time. she had stuck to acting thanks to an indian jyotishi in london who told her to continue with her acting career even if it does not bring her any recognition. he told her that her success will come after 50! she dint mention his name or other particulars though. she either won an oscar or was nominated for the same. i do not remember her name but i remember this incident and thought either the sun or mars in her chart may be the reason for her success beyond 50. this was a good discussion material. cheers! mahalakshmi --- On Wed, 22/4/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 12:07 PM Dear Anna and all This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) best wishes M - bona_mente Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg and all, Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . Regards, Anna --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM Thanks everso for the link:-) - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Dear Marg, Thank you for this info, I missed it- /I used to be d to MA, tend to buy whenever I can/ I usually take care about crucial phases of Ju with Sa, Ur, Ne- Conjunction with Ne, house where it happens, does set the trend for specific experience. Richard Houck placed huge importance on prenatal eclipses /on death charts in particular/ but I haven't explored that well yet- 'Astrology of Death', 'Dots of destiny'...are books I re-read often. I will study this. There seems to be some 'occult meaning' related to prenatal eclipse, and conjunctions happening at that degree, but don't have personal conviction yet- just authority of Houck's word. Ju/Ne transit conjunction I find important though. Thanks for interesting info. Love, Anna --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 12:31 PM Dear Anna I thought you might also be interested in this snippet of observation about the chart, looking at a wetern perspective, especially as Ketu is one of Moon's nodes: ''Thank you for the link to this lovely article! And isn't it interesting about Susan Boyle sharing her pre-natal ecipse of 26* Aquarius with President Obamah? I wonder when the final of this competition is and if it coincides with the Jupiter/Neptune conjunction at 26* Aquarius?'' end snippet. Here is an article on Mountain Astrologer about the chart, but again it's western. http://mountainastr ologer.com/ tma/direct- station-of- venus-exalted- in-pisces best wishes M - sar108 Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:06 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg, I haven't seen maturity becoming such a decisive factor, either. But that overnight change of fortune, so 'outworldly' makes Node theory more compelling- In addition to that, Ketu secured prominence by conjuncting LL in Rashi- we can't expect that Me to be well adapted in material world at the first place. it seems to me that all key words for KertuRahu /suddenness, awkwardness, past life karma/ apply to her entire life, to this blessing in particular. Without Nodal /Divine/ intervention it's hard to explain what happened. And yes Marg, I've been focused on Nodes recently. That may have affected the interpretation- pretty handy Best wishes, Anna --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 2:37 AM Dear Anna and all This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) best wishes M - bona_mente Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg and all, Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . Regards, Anna --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM Thanks everso for the link:-) - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Dear Anna, Communicating with you after a year I suppose. I have heard of this one -Prenatal Eclipse from one of my seniors. He had mentioned something to this effect that one must check the first preceding Eclipse before the date of ones birth, and check on which sign and house that eclipse falls,in hisown Natal Chart, and that would be the area of concern which the native would have to work upon, in his Life to advance ahead. He is a stauch believer of Sayana astrology or the Tropical Zodiac system . It seems that he must have read this from some book. Could you throw some more light on this topic, perchance if you can ? regards, Bhaskar. , sar108 <bona_mente wrote: > > > > > Dear Marg, > > Thank you for this info, I missed it- /I used to be d to MA, tend to buy whenever I can/ > > I usually take care about crucial phases of Ju with Sa, Ur, Ne- Conjunction with Ne, house where it happens, does set the trend for specific experience. > > Richard Houck placed huge importance on prenatal eclipses /on death charts in particular/ but I haven't explored that well yet- 'Astrology of Death', 'Dots of destiny'...are books I re-read often. > > I will study this. There seems to be some 'occult meaning' related to prenatal eclipse, and conjunctions happening at that degree, but don't have personal conviction yet- just authority of Houck's word. > > Ju/Ne transit conjunction I find important though. > > Thanks for interesting info. > > Love, > Anna > > --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: > > > Marg <margie9 > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 12:31 PM > > Dear Anna > I thought you might also be interested in this snippet of observation about the chart, looking at a wetern perspective, especially as Ketu is one of Moon's nodes: > > ''Thank you for the link to this lovely article! And isn't it interesting about Susan Boyle sharing her pre-natal ecipse of 26* Aquarius with President Obamah? > I wonder when the final of this competition is and if it coincides with the Jupiter/Neptune conjunction at 26* Aquarius?'' end snippet. > > Here is an article on Mountain Astrologer about the chart, but again it's western. > http://mountainastr ologer.com/ tma/direct- station-of- venus-exalted- in-pisces > best wishes > M > - > sar108 > > Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:06 PM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Dear Marg, > > I haven't seen maturity becoming such a decisive factor, either. But that overnight change of fortune, so 'outworldly' makes Node theory more compelling- In addition to that, Ketu secured prominence by conjuncting LL in Rashi- we can't expect that Me to be well adapted in material world at the first place. it seems to me that all key words for KertuRahu /suddenness, awkwardness, past life karma/ apply to her entire life, to this blessing in particular. Without Nodal /Divine/ intervention it's hard to explain what happened. > > And yes Marg, I've been focused on Nodes recently. > That may have affected the interpretation- pretty handy > > Best wishes, > Anna > > > --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 2:37 AM > > Dear Anna and all > This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. > I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. > There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) > best wishes > M > > - > bona_mente > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Dear Marg and all, > > Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . > > After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. > > Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. > > Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . > > Regards, > Anna > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM > > Thanks everso for the link:-) > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Marg, > > That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. > > My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com > > In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > HI Krishnamurthy > I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. > Would love to share you rectification technique though > best wishes > M > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Marg, > > This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! > > Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Neelam > > Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard > Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, > 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 > I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju > works out. > I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th > house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and > barreness. > Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her > an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her > extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has > problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the > placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they > have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war > to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell > on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew > she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive > approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving > grace for her. > > This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as > Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan > will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on > high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu > gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make > one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in > poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was > not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual > Hollywood style. > Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles > her out for special treatment. > best wishes > M > > - > " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > <> > Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Thanks Marg for further input. > > When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of > Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all > for luck. > > Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the > navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's > aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts > and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't > think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna > is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome > planet for Gemini. > > She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence > now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly > afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 > lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. > > Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak > for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater > cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat > conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), > and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and > oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn > are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. > > Thanks for sharing > > Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Dear Mahaluxmi This reminded me of the Indian Jyotish I visited in London many years ago who told me I would go on my Jyotish course! He was a lovely man, though sadly I forget his name for the moment but he gave me a lot of good advice at the time which I have stuck to ever since. I do know he has died since, but his son had taken on the good practice he built up. The actress you talk about sounds like Judy Dench who played a good role at 50+ as Queen Elizabeth in ''Shakespeare in Love'' and won awards for it I believe, she also played parts in James Bond films for which she gained awards at an era when most female actresses were being told they were past their sell by date at 35 yrs old. This is why Susan Boyle is all the more remarkable in that it is not her physical appearance which attracts a world wide audience, but her god given talents. And in an era when we ordinary mortals are tired of advertising spin and hype (especially in the UK where we are worn down by it) it is so nourishing to have forums such as the internet which can bypass media hype and put true talent on the stage instead of a facsimile someone with a degree in media relations tells us we should like for our own good. I mused on the Ketu position in ninth which surely shows that astrologers around the world have risen to the task of divining the divine influences in the divinity of the ninth house!!! Truly a lesson for us all love M - mahaluxmi iyer Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:26 AM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 dear marg a matter connected to this topic of success at a late age comes to my mind when i read anna's connecting success with age and your own mail below. i too recall a british tv actress who got her big chance to enact the role of queen elizabeth which could have fetched her an oscar about a couple of years back?! at a late age - beyond 50. the media reported her as saying that she wanted to leave her acting career 2 decades back but wanted to check out her hc anyway at that time. she had stuck to acting thanks to an indian jyotishi in london who told her to continue with her acting career even if it does not bring her any recognition. he told her that her success will come after 50! she dint mention his name or other particulars though. she either won an oscar or was nominated for the same. i do not remember her name but i remember this incident and thought either the sun or mars in her chart may be the reason for her success beyond 50. this was a good discussion material. cheers! mahalakshmi --- On Wed, 22/4/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 12:07 PM Dear Anna and all This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) best wishes M - bona_mente Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg and all, Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . Regards, Anna --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM Thanks everso for the link:-) - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Dear Anna I think the use of pre natal solar eclipse dates back to the days of the use of the lunar calendar and extensive acknowledgement of the connection of moon and other planets inferior and superior. This use of the sysygy seems prevalent in most old systems I have read of and even Ptolemy pointed out that the year charts for mundane predictions were based upon the syzygy prior to the cardinal ingress for yearly info. I'm surprised that I haven't found this tradition being utilised in vedic techniques however, as this lunar based system is the foundation for much of 'jyotish', though perhaps this sysygy aspect of astrology is one of the threads which is missing. This was one of the threads I was trying to locate when I asked earlier about signs in ancient India of archeoastronomy /astrology. I was delighted recently to be given a book translated from 'Masha Allah 'which seems to tell of the principles used by Babylonians to predict change of ruling regimes. I mentioned some years ago on this list that it was disappointing that although the bible shows ancient astrologers were able to predict regime changes in a country, we didn't have that knowledge today.With the use of sysygy it seems the old system is restored. However I have yet to arrive at a conclusive technique for predicting the rise of a great avatar!!!! love and light M - sar108 Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:18 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg, Thank you for this info, I missed it- /I used to be d to MA, tend to buy whenever I can/ I usually take care about crucial phases of Ju with Sa, Ur, Ne- Conjunction with Ne, house where it happens, does set the trend for specific experience. Richard Houck placed huge importance on prenatal eclipses /on death charts in particular/ but I haven't explored that well yet- 'Astrology of Death', 'Dots of destiny'...are books I re-read often. I will study this. There seems to be some 'occult meaning' related to prenatal eclipse, and conjunctions happening at that degree, but don't have personal conviction yet- just authority of Houck's word. Ju/Ne transit conjunction I find important though. Thanks for interesting info. Love, Anna --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 12:31 PM Dear Anna I thought you might also be interested in this snippet of observation about the chart, looking at a wetern perspective, especially as Ketu is one of Moon's nodes: ''Thank you for the link to this lovely article! And isn't it interesting about Susan Boyle sharing her pre-natal ecipse of 26* Aquarius with President Obamah? I wonder when the final of this competition is and if it coincides with the Jupiter/Neptune conjunction at 26* Aquarius?'' end snippet. Here is an article on Mountain Astrologer about the chart, but again it's western. http://mountainastr ologer.com/ tma/direct- station-of- venus-exalted- in-pisces best wishes M - sar108 Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:06 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg, I haven't seen maturity becoming such a decisive factor, either. But that overnight change of fortune, so 'outworldly' makes Node theory more compelling- In addition to that, Ketu secured prominence by conjuncting LL in Rashi- we can't expect that Me to be well adapted in material world at the first place. it seems to me that all key words for KertuRahu /suddenness, awkwardness, past life karma/ apply to her entire life, to this blessing in particular. Without Nodal /Divine/ intervention it's hard to explain what happened. And yes Marg, I've been focused on Nodes recently. That may have affected the interpretation- pretty handy Best wishes, Anna --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 2:37 AM Dear Anna and all This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) best wishes M - bona_mente Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear Marg and all, Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . Regards, Anna --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM Thanks everso for the link:-) - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? HI Krishnamurthy I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. Would love to share you rectification technique though best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Marg, This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Hi Neelam Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju works out. I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and barreness. Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving grace for her. This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual Hollywood style. Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles her out for special treatment. best wishes M - " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> <> Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? Thanks Marg for further input. When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all for luck. Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome planet for Gemini. She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. Thanks for sharing Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Marg, Is it simply a reflection of the sociological fact that not all baby boomers and the next generation have not retired and still exert enough " Consumer Power! " to make STRONG Mother Figures such as Judy Dench bestow their stronghold on teenager (TA) James Bond the stuff that fantasies had been made of for a couple of decades past! Moneypenny finally found Judy or did the spectators find Her (not Judy!)? Once the X, Y and Z 'gens' buy more 'tickets' and baby boomers 'cannot', the stats would change but should astrology change when that happens or some curmudgeons may cynically grunt, " Occurs! " , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Mahaluxmi > This reminded me of the Indian Jyotish I visited in London many years ago who told me I would go on my Jyotish course! > He was a lovely man, though sadly I forget his name for the moment but he gave me a lot of good advice at the time which I have stuck to ever since. I do know he has died since, but his son had taken on the good practice he built up. > > The actress you talk about sounds like Judy Dench who played a good role at 50+ as Queen Elizabeth in ''Shakespeare in Love'' and won awards for it I believe, she also played parts in James Bond films for which she gained awards at an era when most female actresses were being told they were past their sell by date at 35 yrs old. This is why Susan Boyle is all the more remarkable in that it is not her physical appearance which attracts a world wide audience, but her god given talents. And in an era when we ordinary mortals are tired of advertising spin and hype (especially in the UK where we are worn down by it) it is so nourishing to have forums such as the internet which can bypass media hype and put true talent on the stage instead of a facsimile someone with a degree in media relations tells us we should like for our own good. > > I mused on the Ketu position in ninth which surely shows that astrologers around the world have risen to the task of divining the divine influences in the divinity of the ninth house!!! Truly a lesson for us all > love M > - > mahaluxmi iyer > > Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:26 AM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > dear marg > a matter connected to this topic of success at a late age comes to my mind when i read anna's connecting success with age and your own mail below. > > i too recall a british tv actress who got her big chance to enact the role of queen elizabeth which could have fetched her an oscar about a couple of years back?! at a late age - beyond 50. > the media reported her as saying that she wanted to leave her acting career 2 decades back but wanted to check out her hc anyway at that time. > she had stuck to acting thanks to an indian jyotishi in london who told her to continue with her acting career even if it does not bring her any recognition. he told her that her success will come after 50! > she dint mention his name or other particulars though. > she either won an oscar or was nominated for the same. i do not remember her name but > i remember this incident and thought either the sun or mars in her chart may be the reason for her success beyond 50. > > this was a good discussion material. > cheers! > mahalakshmi > > > --- On Wed, 22/4/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: > > Marg <margie9 > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 12:07 PM > > Dear Anna and all > This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. > I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. > There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) > best wishes > M > > - > bona_mente > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Dear Marg and all, > > Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . > > After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. > > Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. > > Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . > > Regards, > Anna > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM > > Thanks everso for the link:-) > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Marg, > > That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. > > My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com > > In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > HI Krishnamurthy > I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. > Would love to share you rectification technique though > best wishes > M > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Marg, > > This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! > > Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Neelam > > Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard > Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, > 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 > I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju > works out. > I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th > house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and > barreness. > Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her > an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her > extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has > problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the > placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they > have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war > to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell > on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew > she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive > approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving > grace for her. > > This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as > Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan > will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on > high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu > gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make > one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in > poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was > not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual > Hollywood style. > Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles > her out for special treatment. > best wishes > M > > - > " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > <> > Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Thanks Marg for further input. > > When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of > Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all > for luck. > > Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the > navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's > aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts > and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't > think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna > is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome > planet for Gemini. > > She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence > now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly > afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 > lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. > > Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak > for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater > cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat > conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), > and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and > oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn > are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. > > Thanks for sharing > > Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Dear R Yes some social factors such as recognising that women hold the purse strings and need a reason to not be alienated by the 'man's world created in Bond. That and jolly good casting I might add. However more covertly is the understanding that many men find older women attractive, as well as like some women to be in power---the dominatrix model is a subliminal fantasy which is carefully exploited in Bond movies without being 'sleazy' By the way Judi replaced 'M' the top man in the Secret Service, not Moneypenny. Moneypenny stays in the same secretarial role of being Bonds fantasy but one he never ever seduces.........................elusive unrequited love is the idea conveyed by Moneypenny.... I don't think astrology will change its techniques just because baby boomers are superseded by a new generation that has different values. We'll just have to be more on the ball in being able to decode the language of the stars to the relevant mores of the day, same as we do now best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Friday, April 24, 2009 2:27 AM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Marg, Is it simply a reflection of the sociological fact that not all baby boomers and the next generation have not retired and still exert enough " Consumer Power! " to make STRONG Mother Figures such as Judy Dench bestow their stronghold on teenager (TA) James Bond the stuff that fantasies had been made of for a couple of decades past! Moneypenny finally found Judy or did the spectators find Her (not Judy!)? Once the X, Y and Z 'gens' buy more 'tickets' and baby boomers 'cannot', the stats would change but should astrology change when that happens or some curmudgeons may cynically grunt, " Occurs! " , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Mahaluxmi > This reminded me of the Indian Jyotish I visited in London many years ago who told me I would go on my Jyotish course! > He was a lovely man, though sadly I forget his name for the moment but he gave me a lot of good advice at the time which I have stuck to ever since. I do know he has died since, but his son had taken on the good practice he built up. > > The actress you talk about sounds like Judy Dench who played a good role at 50+ as Queen Elizabeth in ''Shakespeare in Love'' and won awards for it I believe, she also played parts in James Bond films for which she gained awards at an era when most female actresses were being told they were past their sell by date at 35 yrs old. This is why Susan Boyle is all the more remarkable in that it is not her physical appearance which attracts a world wide audience, but her god given talents. And in an era when we ordinary mortals are tired of advertising spin and hype (especially in the UK where we are worn down by it) it is so nourishing to have forums such as the internet which can bypass media hype and put true talent on the stage instead of a facsimile someone with a degree in media relations tells us we should like for our own good. > > I mused on the Ketu position in ninth which surely shows that astrologers around the world have risen to the task of divining the divine influences in the divinity of the ninth house!!! Truly a lesson for us all > love M > > > > > > > > - > mahaluxmi iyer > > Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:26 AM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > dear marg > a matter connected to this topic of success at a late age comes to my mind when i read anna's connecting success with age and your own mail below. > > i too recall a british tv actress who got her big chance to enact the role of queen elizabeth which could have fetched her an oscar about a couple of years back?! at a late age - beyond 50. > the media reported her as saying that she wanted to leave her acting career 2 decades back but wanted to check out her hc anyway at that time. > she had stuck to acting thanks to an indian jyotishi in london who told her to continue with her acting career even if it does not bring her any recognition. he told her that her success will come after 50! > she dint mention his name or other particulars though. > she either won an oscar or was nominated for the same. i do not remember her name but > i remember this incident and thought either the sun or mars in her chart may be the reason for her success beyond 50. > > this was a good discussion material. > cheers! > mahalakshmi > > > --- On Wed, 22/4/09, Marg <margie9 wrote: > > Marg <margie9 > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 12:07 PM > > Dear Anna and all > This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. > I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. > There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) > best wishes > M > > - > bona_mente > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Dear Marg and all, > > Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . > > After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. > > Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. > > Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . > > Regards, > Anna > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM > > Thanks everso for the link:-) > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Marg, > > That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. > > My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com > > In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > HI Krishnamurthy > I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. > Would love to share you rectification technique though > best wishes > M > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Marg, > > This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! > > Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Neelam > > Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard > Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, > 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 > I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju > works out. > I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th > house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and > barreness. > Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her > an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her > extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has > problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the > placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they > have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war > to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell > on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew > she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive > approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving > grace for her. > > This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as > Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan > will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on > high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu > gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make > one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in > poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was > not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual > Hollywood style. > Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles > her out for special treatment. > best wishes > M > > - > " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > <> > Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Thanks Marg for further input. > > When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of > Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all > for luck. > > Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the > navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's > aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts > and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't > think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna > is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome > planet for Gemini. > > She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence > now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly > afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 > lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. > > Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak > for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater > cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat > conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), > and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and > oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn > are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. > > Thanks for sharing > > Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Dear Anna, Thanks for raising the issue of prenatal eclipses, something worth exploring. Mystical and awe-inspiring, the celestial wandering shadows have enthralled us for ever. Isn’t it interesting to note that eclipse means ‘I abandon’ or ‘I leave behind’, specially solar eclipses with their new moon, seem to mark a new beginning. The interplay of the Sun, Moon and the nodes is most fascinating. The 19 year-cycle or the Metonic return of the prenatal eclipse, synchronising closely with the nodal return, is said to be important ‘change point’ for a nativity. Each return, at 19, 38, 57, etc., is said to mark a significant event or transformation in the life of an individual. Any views on this? *Your Prenatal Eclipse by Rose Lineman *deals with prenatal eclipse and how to read them, from signs, houses, aspects, conjunctions etc. She says that the Solar eclipse prior to one’s birth is one of the key indicators of the area that needs to be expanded in one’s life. The sign on the cusp and its element show how the expansion should take place, and on what level of PMS. She discusses how the prenatal eclipses may be used to read karmic relationships and situations in life and how a native must deal with them in order to gain progress. She also talks about the effects of progressions and transits to this point. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Dear Bhaskar, Your knowledge of Jyotish, KP in particular, is so superior to mine, I hardly dare to comment on, but I do read everything you write, with interest and appreciation. I envy you for having a good teacher and mastering KP system, and I hope I will have a chance to learn it in this lifetime. Eclipses have been considered important from the time immemorial- I feel that lack of understanding makes us underestimate them nowadays- some fear-mongering astrologers contributed a great deal to avoidance of this important phenomenon. It's a paradox,, really, that we recognize importance, power of Nodes, yet forget what they stand for /eclipses/! Richard Houck was an eclectic- / western, jyotish, pre-natal eclipse, progressions../ and a very good marketer of various astro- techniques, indeed. His book 'Astrology Of Death' is all about importance of prenatal eclipse in death-charts. His own death /from colon cancer/ was not related to his PNE, though. That fact doesn't undermine importance of this mystical, powerful phenomenon. R.Houck just made a case in an area where PNE do work- sudden, unexpected death. / I don't feel that is exclusive domain of PNE/ PNE seems to be a sensitive point in any given chart. Again, we do recognize Nodal conjunctions as highly charged points, but strangely overlook the eclipse-phenomenon and its NATURE:: ketu solar eclipse, vs. rahu solar eclipse The same applies to nodal transit- any solar eclipse falling on natal planet, Moon, lagna, becomes a sensitive point, at least, bringing specific effects when triggered by another transits over this point. In similar fashion, thansits condensed over eclipse point will trigger specific events /dormant prior to that/ This is my understanding of the issue, at the moment. / I remember Alan Leo's " Christian Astrology " I've read many many years ago- at that time emphasis on the eclipses was 'too mystical' 'too hypothetical' ... for my taste /at that young age/- but the seed was planted in my mind, growing with my maturity, knowledge/ It's fair to say that I haven't seen consistency there yet- my limited knowledge and understanding perhaps Best wishes, Anna --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Received: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 12:52 PM Dear Anna, Communicating with you after a year I suppose. I have heard of this one -Prenatal Eclipse from one of my seniors. He had mentioned something to this effect that one must check the first preceding Eclipse before the date of ones birth, and check on which sign and house that eclipse falls,in hisown Natal Chart, and that would be the area of concern which the native would have to work upon, in his Life to advance ahead. He is a stauch believer of Sayana astrology or the Tropical Zodiac system . It seems that he must have read this from some book. Could you throw some more light on this topic, perchance if you can ? regards, Bhaskar. , sar108 <bona_mente@ ...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Marg, > > Thank you for this info, I missed it- /I used to be d to MA, tend to buy whenever I can/ > > I usually take care about crucial phases of Ju with Sa, Ur, Ne- Conjunction with Ne, house where it happens, does set the trend for specific experience. > > Richard Houck placed huge importance on prenatal eclipses /on death charts in particular/ but I haven't explored that well yet- 'Astrology of Death', 'Dots of destiny'...are books I re-read often. > > I will study this. There seems to be some 'occult meaning' related to prenatal eclipse, and conjunctions happening at that degree, but don't have personal conviction yet- just authority of Houck's word. > > Ju/Ne transit conjunction I find important though. > > Thanks for interesting info. > > Love, > Anna > > --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Marg <margie9 > wrote: > > > Marg <margie9 > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 12:31 PM > > Dear Anna > I thought you might also be interested in this snippet of observation about the chart, looking at a wetern perspective, especially as Ketu is one of Moon's nodes: > > ''Thank you for the link to this lovely article! And isn't it interesting about Susan Boyle sharing her pre-natal ecipse of 26* Aquarius with President Obamah? > I wonder when the final of this competition is and if it coincides with the Jupiter/Neptune conjunction at 26* Aquarius?'' end snippet. > > Here is an article on Mountain Astrologer about the chart, but again it's western. > http://mountainastr ologer.com/ tma/direct- station-of- venus-exalted- in-pisces > best wishes > M > - > sar108 > > Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:06 PM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Dear Marg, > > I haven't seen maturity becoming such a decisive factor, either. But that overnight change of fortune, so 'outworldly' makes Node theory more compelling- In addition to that, Ketu secured prominence by conjuncting LL in Rashi- we can't expect that Me to be well adapted in material world at the first place. it seems to me that all key words for KertuRahu /suddenness, awkwardness, past life karma/ apply to her entire life, to this blessing in particular. Without Nodal /Divine/ intervention it's hard to explain what happened. > > And yes Marg, I've been focused on Nodes recently. > That may have affected the interpretation- pretty handy > > Best wishes, > Anna > > > --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 2:37 AM > > Dear Anna and all > This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. > I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. > There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) > best wishes > M > > - > bona_mente > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > Dear Marg and all, > > Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . > > After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. > > Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. > > Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . > > Regards, > Anna > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM > > Thanks everso for the link:-) > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Marg, > > That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. > > My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com > > In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > HI Krishnamurthy > I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. > Would love to share you rectification technique though > best wishes > M > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Marg, > > This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! > > Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Hi Neelam > > Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard > Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, > 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 > I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju > works out. > I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th > house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and > barreness. > Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her > an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her > extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has > problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the > placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they > have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war > to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell > on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew > she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive > approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving > grace for her. > > This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as > Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan > will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on > high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu > gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make > one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in > poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was > not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual > Hollywood style. > Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles > her out for special treatment. > best wishes > M > > - > " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > <> > Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > Thanks Marg for further input. > > When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of > Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all > for luck. > > Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the > navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's > aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts > and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't > think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna > is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome > planet for Gemini. > > She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence > now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly > afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 > lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. > > Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak > for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater > cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat > conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), > and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and > oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn > are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. > > Thanks for sharing > > Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Dear 'M' ;-) I was not saying that Judi was playing the role of Moneypenny! I was saying that the stereotypical image that " Moneypenny " has represented, at least for baby boomer generations -- has grown (as has society!) and 'found' the leader and " manager " role that women had been playing for many decades in the home, without the pay or benefits! A psychologist friend with whom I was discussing the new James Bond Movies was mentioning that the 'unrequited love', that you rightly pointed out in this thread, was just the movie-presentation of good old Oedipus complex and the Bond-age to the 'Mother' that was lost early seen through the interesting psyche of James Bond. I think she was pulling my leg, but with psychologists one can never tell ... :-) RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear R > Yes some social factors such as recognising that women hold the purse strings and need a reason to not be alienated by the 'man's world created in Bond. That and jolly good casting I might add. > However more covertly is the understanding that many men find older women attractive, as well as like some women to be in power---the dominatrix model is a subliminal fantasy which is carefully exploited in Bond movies without being 'sleazy' > By the way Judi replaced 'M' the top man in the Secret Service, not Moneypenny. Moneypenny stays in the same secretarial role of being Bonds fantasy but one he never ever seduces.........................elusive unrequited love is the idea conveyed by Moneypenny.... > I don't think astrology will change its techniques just because baby boomers are superseded by a new generation that has different values. We'll just have to be more on the ball in being able to decode the language of the stars to the relevant mores of the day, same as we do now > best wishes > M > - > Rohiniranjan > > Friday, April 24, 2009 2:27 AM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > Marg, > > Is it simply a reflection of the sociological fact that not all baby boomers and the next generation have not retired and still exert enough " Consumer Power! " to make STRONG Mother Figures such as Judy Dench bestow their stronghold on teenager (TA) James Bond the stuff that fantasies had been made of for a couple of decades past! > > Moneypenny finally found Judy or did the spectators find Her (not Judy!)? > > Once the X, Y and Z 'gens' buy more 'tickets' and baby boomers 'cannot', the stats would change but should astrology change when that happens or some curmudgeons may cynically grunt, " Occurs! " > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mahaluxmi > > This reminded me of the Indian Jyotish I visited in London many years ago who told me I would go on my Jyotish course! > > He was a lovely man, though sadly I forget his name for the moment but he gave me a lot of good advice at the time which I have stuck to ever since. I do know he has died since, but his son had taken on the good practice he built up. > > > > The actress you talk about sounds like Judy Dench who played a good role at 50+ as Queen Elizabeth in ''Shakespeare in Love'' and won awards for it I believe, she also played parts in James Bond films for which she gained awards at an era when most female actresses were being told they were past their sell by date at 35 yrs old. This is why Susan Boyle is all the more remarkable in that it is not her physical appearance which attracts a world wide audience, but her god given talents. And in an era when we ordinary mortals are tired of advertising spin and hype (especially in the UK where we are worn down by it) it is so nourishing to have forums such as the internet which can bypass media hype and put true talent on the stage instead of a facsimile someone with a degree in media relations tells us we should like for our own good. > > > > I mused on the Ketu position in ninth which surely shows that astrologers around the world have risen to the task of divining the divine influences in the divinity of the ninth house!!! Truly a lesson for us all > > love M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > mahaluxmi iyer > > > > Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:26 AM > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > > > > > > > dear marg > > a matter connected to this topic of success at a late age comes to my mind when i read anna's connecting success with age and your own mail below. > > > > i too recall a british tv actress who got her big chance to enact the role of queen elizabeth which could have fetched her an oscar about a couple of years back?! at a late age - beyond 50. > > the media reported her as saying that she wanted to leave her acting career 2 decades back but wanted to check out her hc anyway at that time. > > she had stuck to acting thanks to an indian jyotishi in london who told her to continue with her acting career even if it does not bring her any recognition. he told her that her success will come after 50! > > she dint mention his name or other particulars though. > > she either won an oscar or was nominated for the same. i do not remember her name but > > i remember this incident and thought either the sun or mars in her chart may be the reason for her success beyond 50. > > > > this was a good discussion material. > > cheers! > > mahalakshmi > > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/4/09, Marg <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Marg <margie9@> > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 12:07 PM > > > > Dear Anna and all > > This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. > > I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. > > There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > bona_mente > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > Dear Marg and all, > > > > Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . > > > > After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. > > > > Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. > > > > Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . > > > > Regards, > > Anna > > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM > > > > Thanks everso for the link:-) > > - > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > Hi Marg, > > > > That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. > > > > My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com > > > > In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > HI Krishnamurthy > > I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. > > Would love to share you rectification technique though > > best wishes > > M > > - > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > Hi Marg, > > > > This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! > > > > Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > Hi Neelam > > > > Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard > > Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, > > 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 > > I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju > > works out. > > I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th > > house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and > > barreness. > > Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her > > an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her > > extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has > > problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the > > placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they > > have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war > > to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell > > on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew > > she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive > > approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving > > grace for her. > > > > This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as > > Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan > > will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on > > high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu > > gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make > > one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in > > poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was > > not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual > > Hollywood style. > > Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles > > her out for special treatment. > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > <> > > Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > Thanks Marg for further input. > > > > When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of > > Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all > > for luck. > > > > Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the > > navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's > > aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts > > and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't > > think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna > > is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome > > planet for Gemini. > > > > She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence > > now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly > > afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 > > lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. > > > > Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak > > for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater > > cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat > > conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), > > and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and > > oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn > > are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. > > > > Thanks for sharing > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Dear R Thanks for explaining that, yes the stereotypes persist and are made use of we'll just have to wait and see what they are after we have long passed over:-) - Rohiniranjan Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:17 AM Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Dear 'M' ;-) I was not saying that Judi was playing the role of Moneypenny! I was saying that the stereotypical image that " Moneypenny " has represented, at least for baby boomer generations -- has grown (as has society!) and 'found' the leader and " manager " role that women had been playing for many decades in the home, without the pay or benefits! A psychologist friend with whom I was discussing the new James Bond Movies was mentioning that the 'unrequited love', that you rightly pointed out in this thread, was just the movie-presentation of good old Oedipus complex and the Bond-age to the 'Mother' that was lost early seen through the interesting psyche of James Bond. I think she was pulling my leg, but with psychologists one can never tell ... :-) RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear R > Yes some social factors such as recognising that women hold the purse strings and need a reason to not be alienated by the 'man's world created in Bond. That and jolly good casting I might add. > However more covertly is the understanding that many men find older women attractive, as well as like some women to be in power---the dominatrix model is a subliminal fantasy which is carefully exploited in Bond movies without being 'sleazy' > By the way Judi replaced 'M' the top man in the Secret Service, not Moneypenny. Moneypenny stays in the same secretarial role of being Bonds fantasy but one he never ever seduces.........................elusive unrequited love is the idea conveyed by Moneypenny.... > I don't think astrology will change its techniques just because baby boomers are superseded by a new generation that has different values. We'll just have to be more on the ball in being able to decode the language of the stars to the relevant mores of the day, same as we do now > best wishes > M > - > Rohiniranjan > > Friday, April 24, 2009 2:27 AM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > Marg, > > Is it simply a reflection of the sociological fact that not all baby boomers and the next generation have not retired and still exert enough " Consumer Power! " to make STRONG Mother Figures such as Judy Dench bestow their stronghold on teenager (TA) James Bond the stuff that fantasies had been made of for a couple of decades past! > > Moneypenny finally found Judy or did the spectators find Her (not Judy!)? > > Once the X, Y and Z 'gens' buy more 'tickets' and baby boomers 'cannot', the stats would change but should astrology change when that happens or some curmudgeons may cynically grunt, " Occurs! " > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mahaluxmi > > This reminded me of the Indian Jyotish I visited in London many years ago who told me I would go on my Jyotish course! > > He was a lovely man, though sadly I forget his name for the moment but he gave me a lot of good advice at the time which I have stuck to ever since. I do know he has died since, but his son had taken on the good practice he built up. > > > > The actress you talk about sounds like Judy Dench who played a good role at 50+ as Queen Elizabeth in ''Shakespeare in Love'' and won awards for it I believe, she also played parts in James Bond films for which she gained awards at an era when most female actresses were being told they were past their sell by date at 35 yrs old. This is why Susan Boyle is all the more remarkable in that it is not her physical appearance which attracts a world wide audience, but her god given talents. And in an era when we ordinary mortals are tired of advertising spin and hype (especially in the UK where we are worn down by it) it is so nourishing to have forums such as the internet which can bypass media hype and put true talent on the stage instead of a facsimile someone with a degree in media relations tells us we should like for our own good. > > > > I mused on the Ketu position in ninth which surely shows that astrologers around the world have risen to the task of divining the divine influences in the divinity of the ninth house!!! Truly a lesson for us all > > love M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > mahaluxmi iyer > > > > Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:26 AM > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > > > > > > > dear marg > > a matter connected to this topic of success at a late age comes to my mind when i read anna's connecting success with age and your own mail below. > > > > i too recall a british tv actress who got her big chance to enact the role of queen elizabeth which could have fetched her an oscar about a couple of years back?! at a late age - beyond 50. > > the media reported her as saying that she wanted to leave her acting career 2 decades back but wanted to check out her hc anyway at that time. > > she had stuck to acting thanks to an indian jyotishi in london who told her to continue with her acting career even if it does not bring her any recognition. he told her that her success will come after 50! > > she dint mention his name or other particulars though. > > she either won an oscar or was nominated for the same. i do not remember her name but > > i remember this incident and thought either the sun or mars in her chart may be the reason for her success beyond 50. > > > > this was a good discussion material. > > cheers! > > mahalakshmi > > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/4/09, Marg <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Marg <margie9@> > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 12:07 PM > > > > Dear Anna and all > > This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. > > I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. > > There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > bona_mente > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > Dear Marg and all, > > > > Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . > > > > After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. > > > > Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. > > > > Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . > > > > Regards, > > Anna > > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM > > > > Thanks everso for the link:-) > > - > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > Hi Marg, > > > > That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. > > > > My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com > > > > In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > HI Krishnamurthy > > I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. > > Would love to share you rectification technique though > > best wishes > > M > > - > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > Hi Marg, > > > > This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! > > > > Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > Hi Neelam > > > > Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard > > Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, > > 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 > > I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju > > works out. > > I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th > > house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and > > barreness. > > Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her > > an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her > > extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has > > problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the > > placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they > > have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war > > to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell > > on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew > > she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive > > approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving > > grace for her. > > > > This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as > > Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan > > will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on > > high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu > > gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make > > one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in > > poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was > > not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual > > Hollywood style. > > Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles > > her out for special treatment. > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > <> > > Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > Thanks Marg for further input. > > > > When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of > > Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all > > for luck. > > > > Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the > > navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's > > aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts > > and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't > > think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna > > is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome > > planet for Gemini. > > > > She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence > > now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly > > afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 > > lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. > > > > Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak > > for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater > > cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat > > conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), > > and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and > > oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn > > are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. > > > > Thanks for sharing > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 But... but ... 'M' -- I am fully hoping to return again! I have even started preparing a time capsule ;-) RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear R > Thanks for explaining that, yes the stereotypes persist and are made use of we'll just have to wait and see what they are after we have long passed over:-) > - > Rohiniranjan > > Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:17 AM > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > Dear 'M' ;-) > > I was not saying that Judi was playing the role of Moneypenny! I was saying that the stereotypical image that " Moneypenny " has represented, at least for baby boomer generations -- has grown (as has society!) and 'found' the leader and " manager " role that women had been playing for many decades in the home, without the pay or benefits! > > A psychologist friend with whom I was discussing the new James Bond Movies was mentioning that the 'unrequited love', that you rightly pointed out in this thread, was just the movie-presentation of good old Oedipus complex and the Bond-age to the 'Mother' that was lost early seen through the interesting psyche of James Bond. I think she was pulling my leg, but with psychologists one can never tell ... :-) > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear R > > Yes some social factors such as recognising that women hold the purse strings and need a reason to not be alienated by the 'man's world created in Bond. That and jolly good casting I might add. > > However more covertly is the understanding that many men find older women attractive, as well as like some women to be in power---the dominatrix model is a subliminal fantasy which is carefully exploited in Bond movies without being 'sleazy' > > By the way Judi replaced 'M' the top man in the Secret Service, not Moneypenny. Moneypenny stays in the same secretarial role of being Bonds fantasy but one he never ever seduces.........................elusive unrequited love is the idea conveyed by Moneypenny.... > > I don't think astrology will change its techniques just because baby boomers are superseded by a new generation that has different values. We'll just have to be more on the ball in being able to decode the language of the stars to the relevant mores of the day, same as we do now > > best wishes > > M > > - > > Rohiniranjan > > > > Friday, April 24, 2009 2:27 AM > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > > > > > > > Marg, > > > > Is it simply a reflection of the sociological fact that not all baby boomers and the next generation have not retired and still exert enough " Consumer Power! " to make STRONG Mother Figures such as Judy Dench bestow their stronghold on teenager (TA) James Bond the stuff that fantasies had been made of for a couple of decades past! > > > > Moneypenny finally found Judy or did the spectators find Her (not Judy!)? > > > > Once the X, Y and Z 'gens' buy more 'tickets' and baby boomers 'cannot', the stats would change but should astrology change when that happens or some curmudgeons may cynically grunt, " Occurs! " > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mahaluxmi > > > This reminded me of the Indian Jyotish I visited in London many years ago who told me I would go on my Jyotish course! > > > He was a lovely man, though sadly I forget his name for the moment but he gave me a lot of good advice at the time which I have stuck to ever since. I do know he has died since, but his son had taken on the good practice he built up. > > > > > > The actress you talk about sounds like Judy Dench who played a good role at 50+ as Queen Elizabeth in ''Shakespeare in Love'' and won awards for it I believe, she also played parts in James Bond films for which she gained awards at an era when most female actresses were being told they were past their sell by date at 35 yrs old. This is why Susan Boyle is all the more remarkable in that it is not her physical appearance which attracts a world wide audience, but her god given talents. And in an era when we ordinary mortals are tired of advertising spin and hype (especially in the UK where we are worn down by it) it is so nourishing to have forums such as the internet which can bypass media hype and put true talent on the stage instead of a facsimile someone with a degree in media relations tells us we should like for our own good. > > > > > > I mused on the Ketu position in ninth which surely shows that astrologers around the world have risen to the task of divining the divine influences in the divinity of the ninth house!!! Truly a lesson for us all > > > love M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > mahaluxmi iyer > > > > > > Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:26 AM > > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear marg > > > a matter connected to this topic of success at a late age comes to my mind when i read anna's connecting success with age and your own mail below. > > > > > > i too recall a british tv actress who got her big chance to enact the role of queen elizabeth which could have fetched her an oscar about a couple of years back?! at a late age - beyond 50. > > > the media reported her as saying that she wanted to leave her acting career 2 decades back but wanted to check out her hc anyway at that time. > > > she had stuck to acting thanks to an indian jyotishi in london who told her to continue with her acting career even if it does not bring her any recognition. he told her that her success will come after 50! > > > she dint mention his name or other particulars though. > > > she either won an oscar or was nominated for the same. i do not remember her name but > > > i remember this incident and thought either the sun or mars in her chart may be the reason for her success beyond 50. > > > > > > this was a good discussion material. > > > cheers! > > > mahalakshmi > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/4/09, Marg <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Marg <margie9@> > > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 12:07 PM > > > > > > Dear Anna and all > > > This is a very good explanation as to why it took so long for fame to materialise, Anna. I haven't seen the maturity years of any of the planets become such a striking landmark in the life of a person. > > > I really want to find out more about the earlier periods of her life to find out what she has been doing till now, though she has been making records for a charity, also she entered another singing competition in 2001 but was turned away. > > > There are many interesting features in this chart which is perhaps why it is so intriguing to study, and the lady herself was an invisible 'nobody' who becomes 'somebody famous' on a global stage on her 48th birthday! Incredible how the planets are working to such an exact schedule--especiall y Ketu. Ironic also that we have been trying to understand Ketu more carefully Anna as well! The chart is obviously a gift from above:-) > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > - > > > bona_mente > > > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20 PM > > > Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > > > > > > Dear Marg and all, > > > > > > Ketu reaches maturity at 48- astrologers opine that up to that time Ketu gives mostly negative effects. It's conjunct Me Lagna Lord in house of luck /religion, spirituality/ ; that may inhibit person's ability to use mind well at young age in particular, but more importantly /and likely/ makes person unaware of her own qualities- or/and in worst case, person accepts perception of being dumb, and gives up on fulfilling it's potentials . > > > > > > After 48, 'ketu starts taking less and giving more' , and here LLord can greatly benefit from Ketu's auspiciousness. I guess Susan intuitively felt that her time has come. Ketu can be very generous as we mature. > > > > > > Difficult aspect of this rahu/ketu axis is that rahu is in ketu's naksatra, and Ke in Rahu's- in 3/9th house it's more manageable. > > > > > > Perhaps that mars on Lagna, which brings 'unpolished' behaviour, to say the least, contributes much to that general picture of inadequacy. As Marg noticed, we could register her aggressive attitude, on defence, which prevents happy relationships, and that may be an obstacle here as well, if the rough edges are not polished somewhat. . > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anna > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > > > Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:42 AM > > > > > > Thanks everso for the link:-) > > > - > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 AM > > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > > > Hi Marg, > > > > > > That is an interesting piece of information! I will keep tab on it. > > > > > > My BTR technique can be found at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com > > > > > > In this particlar case I find that Saturn is the best placed planet and the Lagna gets aligned to it. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > > > > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 3:45:11 PM > > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > > > HI Krishnamurthy > > > I often find UK births do end up being at the five minute intervals rather than odd minutes in between and my own daughter and grandchildren were also on the five minute marks rather than eight or eleven minutes for example. > > > Would love to share you rectification technique though > > > best wishes > > > M > > > - > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:53 AM > > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > > > Hi Marg, > > > > > > This set of data appears to be very accurate. I tried to apply my BTR technique and got the rectified time as 9:50:46! > > > > > > Thanks for sharing the details. Now, I can explore the chart with more confidence. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > > > > > Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 12:38:20 PM > > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > > > Hi Neelam > > > > > > Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard > > > Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, > > > 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 > > > I liked your analysis especially of theway the conjunction of Sat and Ju > > > works out. > > > I get no children con firmed three times in this chart L5 retro, Ju in 8th > > > house afflicted by malefic and Saturn aspect on sun leads to infertility and > > > barreness. > > > Yes as you say Mars on the asc is a problem for Gemini and yet it gives her > > > an enormous aspiration to be noticed due to it being L11, also makes her > > > extremely competitive due to being also L6, and I should think she has > > > problems making friends due to the aggressive energy which comes with the > > > placement, I always have probs with people coming for readings when they > > > have this configuration as they treat every exchange as though it were a war > > > to win----very challenging! At the beginning of her talk with Simon Cowell > > > on the TV shows she had to quickly re think her answers to him as she knew > > > she was about to alienate him if she kept up a hostile and aggressive > > > approach. Mercury dispositing Mars and in ninth house is obviously a saving > > > grace for her. > > > > > > This morning she sings with Elaine Page on GMTV which should be stunning as > > > Elaine Paige is a very renowned singer and also has a good voice, so Susan > > > will yet again wow the world audience and has obviously been propelled 'on > > > high' overnight! Another factor about this chart is Ketu Conjoint L1, Ketu > > > gives torn clothes to Mercury's body and a strange appearance, and can make > > > one invisible, we can see this has worked out so far as she has lived in > > > poverty, probably had to wear older sister's worn out clothes, and Susan was > > > not expected to win due to her appearance, which isn't exactly the usual > > > Hollywood style. > > > Ketu separates her from the usual run of the mill entertainer and singles > > > her out for special treatment. > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > - > > > " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > > <> > > > Monday, April 20, 2009 5:20 PM > > > Re: Susan Boyle singing sensation_Time? > > > > > > Thanks Marg for further input. > > > > > > When success knocks, 9H must open. I am also getting the dasha sequence of > > > Sa-Me-Mo-Ju- Ketu giving 9L/9H placement/disposito r in 9H/with 9L/in 9H, all > > > for luck. > > > > > > Venus of course is strong, retrograde and vargottam 5/12L. Noteworthy is the > > > navamsha conjunction of mars, venus and mercury in aries in 5H and saturn's > > > aspect from 3H which seems to be a clincher for creativity, performing arts > > > and fame. Benefic venus in 11H has given her elder siblings, but I don't > > > think they would treat her well. Venus is in a hostile environment and lagna > > > is disturbed by the malefic 11L mars. Mars is always the most troublesome > > > planet for Gemini. > > > > > > She was born in mo-me-sa (we may notice the similarity in dasha sequence > > > now). But that has given her a sick childhood as moon is quite badly > > > afflicted in 4H (difficult birth), and from 1964 she ran a Mars MD, 6/11 > > > lord of diseases afflicting lagna and moon both. > > > > > > Regarding having children, I would think that an afflicted Jupiter, as karak > > > for children could also be responsible. She must've been born for a greater > > > cause and would create 'children of different kind'. People with Jup-Sat > > > conjunctions are born with a mission (depending upon other placements also), > > > and mission is likely to get accomplished, whenever their conjunctions and > > > oppositions appear in transit. From 5 May till the end of July, Jup-saturn > > > are in opposition and there will be no stopping SUSAN. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Dear Neelam,  Thank you for valuable information and suggested reading on this issue. The best book I've read on cycles is " Cycles of becoming " /by Radhyar, I guess - I've recently moved to a new place, all my books are in boxes still, cannot check out at the moment/. I've always been attracted to mystical side of astro-phenomena- the reason I got hooked to the astrology at the first place. The eclipse cycles corresponding to natal placement of the nodes are fascinating indeed. It seems that cycles of nodal return over lagna can signify a turning point as well, if synchronized with an eclipse /within 5 degrees from lagna point/.  It must be relevant if it is rahu or Ketu eclipse. I am wondering if the former is more auspicious for mundane affairs? Eclipsed luminaries at any sensitive point, lagna in particular, are not a good omen either way. No wonder that fear and owe have always been related to human experience of eclipses. /Can we assume that Cancer and Leo lagnas would experience the strongest impact?/  With Rahu currently in Cap and Ketu in Cn, Moon will frequently make aspects with her enemy-Sa, thus adversely affecting the houses involved repeatedly. When Saturn moves to Virgo, the major shift is to be expected for everyone, for key players the most. Ketu solar eclipse will happen in Pushya nak this summer. Let's see what happens.  I didn't know that eclipse means 'to abandon', 'to leave behind' /where did you get it?/- but that nicely corresponds and justifies the fear factor attached to eclipses. What would be 'abandoned' if eclipse occurs on lagna /or Lagna Lord?/  Scarry, isn't it.?  Yet so intriguing!  Best wishes, Anna  --- On Fri, 4/24/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:  neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Received: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:51 PM Dear Anna, Thanks for raising the issue of prenatal eclipses, something worth exploring. Mystical and awe-inspiring, the celestial wandering shadows have enthralled us for ever. Isn’t it interesting to note that eclipse means ‘I abandon’ or ‘I leave behind’, specially solar eclipses with their new moon, seem to mark a new beginning. The interplay of the Sun, Moon and the nodes is most fascinating. The 19 year-cycle or the Metonic return of the prenatal eclipse, synchronising closely with the nodal return, is said to be important ‘change point’ for a nativity. Each return, at 19, 38, 57, etc., is said to mark a significant event or transformation in the life of an individual. Any views on this? *Your Prenatal Eclipse by Rose Lineman *deals with prenatal eclipse and how to read them, from signs, houses, aspects, conjunctions etc. She says that the Solar eclipse prior to one’s birth is one of the key indicators of the area that needs to be expanded in one’s life. The sign on the cusp and its element show how the expansion should take place, and on what level of PMS. She discusses how the prenatal eclipses may be used to read karmic relationships and situations in life and how a native must deal with them in order to gain progress. She also talks about the effects of progressions and transits to this point. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Hi Anna and all, Back to Susan Boyle, it is interesting to note that her prenatal eclipse happened in aquarius, her 9H on the 15 of Feb 1961. Ketu was involved, at 12d 53min. She was born with a ketu in aquarius at 12d 35min with her LL Mer retrograding with it, again emphasizing a prarabdh with luck. It is said that her turning point came after her mother passed away in 2007. I did not find the date of her mother’s death, but it is interesting to note that the nodal axis shifted on her natal nodes in August 2007 when Rahu was exactly over her natal ketu. There is also an interesting exchange of stars between the nodes. That seems to coincide with a change in her life. Saturn emerges as the planet in control, being 9L and is well placed in 8H in own house in D-1, in own 3H again aspecting all planets in 5H in navamsh, and exalts in D-10, again in 3H aspecting 5L and 9L in 5H. Sat and Ketu and of course LL mer are THE planets for her. She’s been running sat-mer since 2008 and she got this stupendous rise, and from Oct 2010, she’s starting sat-ketu, which can be a further push for her. What do you say? Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Dear Anna, There will be a total solar eclipse with a magnitude of 1.080, visible in most of South East Asia on Wednesday, July 22, 2009. It is the longest total solar eclipse that will occur in the twenty-first century, and will not be surpassed in duration until June 13, 2132. Totality will last for up to 6 minutes and 39 seconds, with the maximum eclipse occurring in the ocean at 02:35:21 UTC about 100 km south of the Bonin Islands, southeast of Japan. (NASA). I had written about it else where sometime back. On 22nd July 2009 the planetary position is not good and eclipse in cancer.involving Ketu is not good for Mundane..Jup-sat opposition, both retrograding, Mars-sat mutual aspect, mo-su-ke-me conjunction in cancer in saturn’s star (pushya), most of the planets transiting in malefic shastiamshas. Jal tatwa seems to be afflicted. There may be surges in the sea, possibility of an earthquake, like tsunami (?) Regarding the origin of the word, //The term is derived from the ancient Greek<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek>noun ἔκλειψις (*ékleipsis*), from verb á¼ÎºÎ»ÎµÎ¯Ï€Ï‰ (*ekleÃpÅ*), " to leave behind, " a combination of prefix á¼Îº- (*ek-*), from preposition á¼Îº, á¼Î¾ (*ek, ex*), " out, " and of verb λείπω (*leÃpÅ*), " to leave " .// Regards Neelam 2009/4/26 sar108 <bona_mente > > > Dear Neelam, > > Thank you for valuable information and suggested reading on this issue. > The best book I've read on cycles is " Cycles of becoming " /by Radhyar, I > guess - I've recently moved to a new place, all my books are in boxes still, > cannot check out at the moment/. I've always been attracted to mystical side > of astro-phenomena- the reason I got hooked to the astrology at the first > place. The eclipse cycles corresponding to natal placement of the nodes are > fascinating indeed. It seems that cycles of nodal return over lagna can > signify a turning point as well, if synchronized with an eclipse /within 5 > degrees from lagna point/. It must be relevant if it is rahu or Ketu > eclipse. I am wondering if the former is more auspicious for mundane > affairs? Eclipsed luminaries at any sensitive point, lagna in > particular, are not a good omen either way. No wonder that fear and owe have > always been related to human > experience of eclipses. /Can we assume that Cancer and Leo lagnas would > experience the strongest impact?/ > > With Rahu currently in Cap and Ketu in Cn, Moon will frequently make > aspects with her enemy-Sa, thus adversely affecting the houses involved > repeatedly. When Saturn moves to Virgo, the major shift is to be expected > for everyone, for key players the most. Ketu solar eclipse will happen in > Pushya nak this summer. Let's see what happens. > > I didn't know that eclipse means 'to abandon', 'to leave behind' /where did > you get it?/- but that nicely corresponds and justifies the fear factor > attached to eclipses. What would be 'abandoned' if eclipse occurs on lagna > /or Lagna Lord?/ Scarry, isn't it.? > > Yet so intriguing! > > Best wishes, > Anna > > > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07<neelamgupta07%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 <neelamgupta07%40gmail.com>> > Re: Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > <%40> > Received: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:51 PM > > Dear Anna, > > Thanks for raising the issue of prenatal eclipses, something worth > exploring. Mystical and awe-inspiring, the celestial wandering shadows have > enthralled us for ever. Isn’t it interesting to note that eclipse means ‘I > abandon’ or ‘I leave behind’, specially solar eclipses with their new moon, > seem to mark a new beginning. The interplay of the Sun, Moon and the nodes > is most fascinating. > > The 19 year-cycle or the Metonic return of the prenatal eclipse, > synchronising closely with the nodal return, is said to be important > ‘change > point’ for a nativity. Each return, at 19, 38, 57, etc., is said to mark a > significant event or transformation in the life of an individual. Any views > on this? > > *Your Prenatal Eclipse by Rose Lineman *deals with prenatal eclipse and how > to read them, from signs, houses, aspects, conjunctions etc. She says that > the Solar eclipse prior to one’s birth is one of the key indicators of the > area that needs to be expanded in one’s life. The sign on the cusp and its > element show how the expansion should take place, and on what level of PMS. > She discusses how the prenatal eclipses may be used to read karmic > relationships and situations in life and how a native must deal with them > in > order to gain progress. She also talks about the effects of progressions > and > transits to this point. > > Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Dear Neelam, This one will be really big- 6 minutes translates to many years of bad effects! On my Lagna I'd better hurry to finish my memoires and get a will ready! Alternatively, wouldn't it be nice to record the history first hand? Best wishes, Anna --- On Sun, 4/26/09, nareelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 Received: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 1:23 AM Dear Anna, There will be a total solar eclipse with a magnitude of 1.080, visible in most of South East Asia on Wednesday, July 22, 2009. It is the longest total solar eclipse that will occur in the twenty-first century, and will not be surpassed in duration until June 13, 2132. Totality will last for up to 6 minutes and 39 seconds, with the maximum eclipse occurring in the ocean at 02:35:21 UTC about 100 km south of the Bonin Islands, southeast of Japan. (NASA). I had written about it else where sometime back. On 22nd July 2009 the planetary position is not good and eclipse in cancer.involving Ketu is not good for Mundane..Jup- sat opposition, both retrograding, Mars-sat mutual aspect, mo-su-ke-me conjunction in cancer in saturn’s star (pushya), most of the planets transiting in malefic shastiamshas. Jal tatwa seems to be afflicted. There may be surges in the sea, possibility of an earthquake, like tsunami (?) Regarding the origin of the word, //The term is derived from the ancient Greek<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Ancient_Greek>noun ἔκλειψις (*ékleipsis*) , from verb á¼ÎºÎ»ÎµÎ¯Ï€Ï‰ (*ekleÃpÅ*), " to leave behind, " a combination of prefix á¼Îº- (*ek-*), from preposition á¼Îº, á¼Î¾ (*ek, ex*), " out, " and of verb λείπω (*leÃpÅ*), " to leave " .// Regards Neelam 2009/4/26 sar108 <bona_mente > > > > Dear Neelam, > > Thank you for valuable information and suggested reading on this issue. > The best book I've read on cycles is " Cycles of becoming " /by Radhyar, I > guess - I've recently moved to a new place, all my books are in boxes still, > cannot check out at the moment/. I've always been attracted to mystical side > of astro-phenomena- the reason I got hooked to the astrology at the first > place. The eclipse cycles corresponding to natal placement of the nodes are > fascinating indeed. It seems that cycles of nodal return over lagna can > signify a turning point as well, if synchronized with an eclipse /within 5 > degrees from lagna point/. It must be relevant if it is rahu or Ketu > eclipse. I am wondering if the former is more auspicious for mundane > affairs? Eclipsed luminaries at any sensitive point, lagna in > particular, are not a good omen either way. No wonder that fear and owe have > always been related to human > experience of eclipses. /Can we assume that Cancer and Leo lagnas would > experience the strongest impact?/ > > With Rahu currently in Cap and Ketu in Cn, Moon will frequently make > aspects with her enemy-Sa, thus adversely affecting the houses involved > repeatedly. When Saturn moves to Virgo, the major shift is to be expected > for everyone, for key players the most. Ketu solar eclipse will happen in > Pushya nak this summer. Let's see what happens. > > I didn't know that eclipse means 'to abandon', 'to leave behind' /where did > you get it?/- but that nicely corresponds and justifies the fear factor > attached to eclipses. What would be 'abandoned' if eclipse occurs on lagna > /or Lagna Lord?/ Scarry, isn't it.? > > Yet so intriguing! > > Best wishes, > Anna > > > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<neelamgupta07% 40gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com <neelamgupta07% 40gmail.com> > > Re: Re: Susan Boyle-+ Ketu coming of age at 48 > <% 40. com> > Received: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:51 PM > > Dear Anna, > > Thanks for raising the issue of prenatal eclipses, something worth > exploring. Mystical and awe-inspiring, the celestial wandering shadows have > enthralled us for ever. Isn’t it interesting to note that eclipse means ‘I > abandon’ or ‘I leave behind’, specially solar eclipses with their new moon, > seem to mark a new beginning. The interplay of the Sun, Moon and the nodes > is most fascinating. > > The 19 year-cycle or the Metonic return of the prenatal eclipse, > synchronising closely with the nodal return, is said to be important > ‘change > point’ for a nativity. Each return, at 19, 38, 57, etc., is said to mark a > significant event or transformation in the life of an individual. Any views > on this? > > *Your Prenatal Eclipse by Rose Lineman *deals with prenatal eclipse and how > to read them, from signs, houses, aspects, conjunctions etc. She says that > the Solar eclipse prior to one’s birth is one of the key indicators of the > area that needs to be expanded in one’s life. The sign on the cusp and its > element show how the expansion should take place, and on what level of PMS. > She discusses how the prenatal eclipses may be used to read karmic > relationships and situations in life and how a native must deal with them > in > order to gain progress. She also talks about the effects of progressions > and > transits to this point. > > Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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