US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

[Guest guest]

To All:

 

Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the economy

will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely with the

transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will enter

Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

Article Below:

 

Bernanke: Economy should grow again later in 2009

 

AP – Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke testifies before the Joint Economic

Committee on Capitol Hill in … By JEANNINE AVERSA, AP Economics Writer Jeannine

Aversa, Ap Economics Writer – 51 mins ago

 

WASHINGTON – Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told Congress Tuesday the

economy should start growing again later this year, his most optimistic

assessment of the country's financial health since the recession struck with

force last year.

 

But Bernanke warned that even after a recovery gets under way, economic activity

is likely to be subpar. That means businesses will stay cautious about hiring,

driving up the nation's unemployment rate and causing " further sizable job

losses " in the coming months, he told the Joint Economic Committee.

 

The recession, which started in December 2007, already has snatched a net total

of 5.1 million jobs. The unemployment rate " could remain high for a time, even

after economic growth resumes, " Bernanke said.

 

But while some economists believe unemployment could hit 10 percent by the end

of this year, the Fed doesn't share that view. The unemployment rate will

probably climb " somewhere " in the 9 percent range, Bernanke said.

 

" The loss of jobs is one of the most distressing aspects of this whole episode, "

he said.

 

Even with all the cautionary notes, the Fed chief offered a far less dour

assessment of the economy.

 

" We continue to expect economic activity to bottom out, then to turn up later

this year, " he told lawmakers. " We expect that the recovery will only gradually

gain momentum. "

 

Recent data suggest the recession may be loosening its grip on the country,

Bernanke said.

 

" The pace of contraction may be slowing, " he said. It was similar to an

observation the Fed made last week in deciding not to take any additional steps

to shore up the economy.

 

The housing market, which has been in a slump for three years, has shown some

signs of bottoming, he said. Consumer spending, which collapsed in the second

half of last year, came back to life in the first quarter.

 

In the months ahead, consumer spending should be lifted by tax cuts contained in

President Barack Obama's larger $787 billion stimulus package. Still, rising

unemployment, sinking home values and cracked nest eggs will still weigh on

consumers willingness to spend freely, Bernanke said.

 

Bernanke took some heat for the Fed's decision not to hasten the implementation

of new rules to protect Americans from abusive credit card practices, as some

lawmakers had requested. The Fed's rules take effect in July 2010.

 

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., said many Americans burned by the recession have

watched banks and other companies get bailed out and feel like: " Hey, we're on

fire, too. What about us? "

 

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., called the Fed's decision " unconscionable. "

 

But in the latest sign the downturn could be easing, activity in the services

sector contracted at a slower pace in April, the Institute for Supply Management

reported Tuesday. Its service sector index came in at 43.7 in April, up from

40.8 in March. Any reading below 50 indicates the service sector, where most

Americans work, is contracting.

 

Meanwhile, business investment remains " extremely weak, " and conditions in the

commercial real estate market are " poor, " the Fed chief said.

 

Still, Bernanke said he was hopeful that factory production would pick up later

this year to replenish stockpiles of goods that have been slashed. And there's

been tentative signs that the declines in other countries' economic activity may

be moderating, which could help sales of U.S. exports. They have been falling

sharply, a key factor behind the drag on U.S. manufacturing, he said.

 

Private analysts are predicting the economy won't shrink nearly as much as it

had been — anywhere from a pace of 1 to 3 percent — in the current quarter. As

Obama's economic stimulus package of tax cuts and increased government spending

takes hold, analysts think the economy could start growing again in the third or

forth quarter of this year.

 

The economy's rate of decline topped 6 percent in both the final three months of

2008 and in the first quarter of this year. It marked the worst six-month

performance since the late 1950s.

 

Many economists expect the jobless rate will jump to 8.9 percent in April from a

quarter-century high of 8.5 percent in March as employers slash hundreds of

thousands more jobs. The government releases that report on Friday.

 

On the financial front, Bernanke said there have been signs of improvements in

easing some credit stresses. However, financial markets remain under

considerable strain.

 

As Bernanke has said in the past, the Fed's forecast for a recovery hinges on

the government's ability to gradually repair the financial system.

 

" A relapse ... would be a significant drag on economic activity and could cause

the incipient recovery to stall, " he warned.

 

Bernanke didn't provide details about how 19 large banks fared on " stress

tests. " Results, to be released Thursday, should shed light on which banks may

need government support if the recession were to worsen.

 

He did say that after the results are released, banks will be required to

develop " comprehensive capital plans for establishing the required buffers " to

protect against future losses. They will have six months to execute those plans

or get help from the government.

 

Bernanke said there are " significant opportunities for capital raising outside

government programs, " and that many banks should be able to do so by selling

assets or taking other steps.

 

The International Monetary Fund estimated that $275 billion more in capital

would be needed to cushion against further losses at U.S. banks. While refusing

to provide any numbers, Bernanke said he thought the IMF's figure overestimated

any additional capital needs.

 

Responding to lawmakers' concerns about secrecy in its lending and bailout

programs, Bernanke said the Fed will start providing information on the number

of borrowers under each plan, details of credit extended and information on the

collateral put up for the loans.

 

But Bernanke didn't say the Fed would release the identity of borrowers,

something lawmakers have pushed for

[Guest guest]

John

Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis in

Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

 

my 2 cents...

MS

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> To All:

>

> Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the economy

will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely with the

transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will enter

Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear John and Manoj,

 

This is exactly what we are doing now: exploring Ju transit - Just read Canadian

news today, giving some hopes /self-employment increase/; some say it's sign of

desperation, rather than real improvement  -maybe that's exactly what Ju transit

brings since entering Aq on May 1st. If that will translate in tangible

financial recovery is yet to be seen.

We've heard so many times that this market crash is primarily psychological /?/

I don't quite get it this, but if hope can help, Ju in Aq will bring that, being

auspicious there. Ju will retrograde to Cp again in August, but at the year end

will begin it's stay in Aq for a year.

 

best wishes for John's prediction,

/from a sceptic/

Anna

 

--- On Fri, 5/8/09, M. Sharma <nakshatras wrote:

 

 

M. Sharma <nakshatras

Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

Received: Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:51 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

John

Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis in

Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

 

my 2 cents...

MS

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> To All:

>

> Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the economy

will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely with the

transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will enter

Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste M Sharma,

 

We need to remind ourselves that nothing ever remains the same. That goes both

with the good and the bad aspects of the global economy or with our personal

lives. We can see this with the transits of the various planets around the

zodiac. Jupiter, the greatest benefic of all the grahas, is rather weak due to

its neecha condition in Makara. Therefore, it would be a reasonable leap of

faith to state that an improvement is bound to come after Jupiter transits out

of Makara.

 

There are other factors, of course, that should be considered such as the (1)

transit of Rahu in the same rashi, and (2) mahadasha of Mars in the US janma

kundali. One could even get more sophisticated by using the Sarvatobhadra

kundali which can be used for predicting business trends.

 

It appears that we are all under the spell of global fear that can only be

attributed to the weakness of Jupiter for the time being.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " M. Sharma " <nakshatras wrote:

>

> John

> Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis

in Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

>

> my 2 cents...

> MS

> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > To All:

> >

> > Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the economy

will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely with the

transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will enter

Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Anna,

 

In my opinion, you are addressing the global condition fairly well. We need to

realize why the world is under this mode of desperation and fear. Fortunately,

our study of jyotish can help us understand the cosmic forces that are

influencing the world events in terms of the global economy and our personal

lives.

 

As you mentioned, the temporary transit of Jupiter in Kumbha could help the

global situation. At the present time, the US stock market has been picking up

lately. It should get better until Jupiter retrogrades back to Makara once more

in August. So, it would not be prudent investment to put all of one's money in

the stock market at this time.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

, sar108 <bona_mente wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Dear John and Manoj,

>  

> This is exactly what we are doing now: exploring Ju transit - Just read

Canadian news today, giving some hopes /self-employment increase/; some say it's

sign of desperation, rather than real improvement  -maybe that's exactly what Ju

transit brings since entering Aq on May 1st. If that will translate in tangible

financial recovery is yet to be seen.

> We've heard so many times that this market crash is primarily psychological

/?/

> I don't quite get it this, but if hope can help, Ju in Aq will bring that,

being auspicious there. Ju will retrograde to Cp again in August, but at the

year end will begin it's stay in Aq for a year.

>  

> best wishes for John's prediction,

> /from a sceptic/

> Anna

>

> --- On Fri, 5/8/09, M. Sharma <nakshatras wrote:

>

>

> M. Sharma <nakshatras

> Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

>

> Received: Friday, May 8, 2009, 9:51 PM

>

>

John

> Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis

in Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

>

> my 2 cents...

> MS

> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > To All:

> >

> > Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the economy

will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely with the

transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will enter

Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi John and Manjunath

Hope you don't mind me adding something...

I took a look at charts for some of the boom and bust periods....not that I

understand financial markets, just got a graph from my bank about highs and lows

and set up charts....

In 1 March 2003 when stocks were low it was when Saturn was opposite Mars...the

thing is you would only notice this using tropical positions as the aspect is

hidden in sidereal zodiac due to there being a 5 degree orb at play in the

aspect...Sat is 22 deg Gemini Mars 27 deg Sagittarius(tropical)....that's two

malefics quite near the galactic centre?

Again 1 August 2002 Sat was at 24 Gemini at another low.

Last year the 'boom' was around 10th July when the two planets conjoined in

Virgo(tropical), and about two months after the big bust began to be

established.

I think its how we interpret what went on last year which can create confusion.

Last year banks were riding high on a tide of optimism beginning a new industry

if you like which seemed lucrative at the time....buying and selling

debts.......mortgage debts....and lending sums of money never before

sanctioned...especially not in the UK.

So the ''high'' on paper was in fact deceptive and the cause of the low, as the

debts had already been purchased which then lead to the slump?

For my part I think that a five year cycle is there for highs and lows, and will

make sure that in 2011/12 it will be better to take out or remove any savings,

before the next boom and bust tide of 2013:-)

best wishes

M

 

 

 

 

-

M. Sharma

Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:51 AM

Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

 

 

 

 

John

Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis

in Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

 

my 2 cents...

MS

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> To All:

>

> Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the economy

will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely with the

transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will enter

Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

To All,

 

World Economic Forecast by Head of dept of KSD Sanskrit University, a

recognized university of Govt of India, can be viewed at This_Site . I am

citing two paras here :

 

<<<Most countries of Europe and North America are in 9th house (see Map above),

whose lord Sun is exalted in Kendra house (4th), having 50% aspect on northern

portions of 9th house but no aspect on southern portions. Southern portions of

9th house will be adversely affected by bitter enemy Saturn sitting there as

Maarakesh (which will give wealth but with a lot of troubles, including

water-borne calamities). Regions in 9th house whose names start with l or m will

be badly affected by Saturn, like Libya, Michigan, etc. But l,m,ch,y consonants

and u vowel are seen by exalted Sun in Sarvatobhadra, hence Saturn will not do

much harm to l,m. Northern and NE Europe will get extra benefits from exalted

Sun, because both consonant 'Y' and vowel 'U' in its name (Yurop) are pireced

(viddha) by Sun. regions from Germany ( & Denmark, southern tip of Scandinavia)

to Greece (and NW America around Seattle) will be especially benefited in all

spheres, including economic.

...

Last year, USA and central Europe were not only in Saturn's shere of influence

but were pierced by Saturn in Sarvatobhadra as well, but this year Saturn

pierces l,m and Venus pierces r,s. This year, Saturn influences most of North

America, central and western Europe, besides northern South America and

Indis-China-Korea-Japan, but Saturn is not as malefic as it was last year, and

will cause minor problems. In regions influenced by Venus and Saturn which

affect 11th house of economic growth, only smaller countries are pierced in

Sarvatobhadra, like Spain, Switzerland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Lybia, Myanmar,

etc.>>>

 

-Vinay Jha

============== =================

 

 

________________________________

Marg <margie9

 

Saturday, May 9, 2009 1:06:15 PM

Re: Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

 

 

 

 

Hi John and Manjunath

Hope you don't mind me adding something...

I took a look at charts for some of the boom and bust periods....not that I

understand financial markets, just got a graph from my bank about highs and lows

and set up charts....

In 1 March 2003 when stocks were low it was when Saturn was opposite Mars...the

thing is you would only notice this using tropical positions as the aspect is

hidden in sidereal zodiac due to there being a 5 degree orb at play in the

aspect...Sat is 22 deg Gemini Mars 27 deg Sagittarius( tropical) ....that' s two

malefics quite near the galactic centre?

Again 1 August 2002 Sat was at 24 Gemini at another low.

Last year the 'boom' was around 10th July when the two planets conjoined in

Virgo(tropical) , and about two months after the big bust began to be

established.

I think its how we interpret what went on last year which can create confusion.

Last year banks were riding high on a tide of optimism beginning a new industry

if you like which seemed lucrative at the time....buying and selling

debts....... mortgage debts....and lending sums of money never before

sanctioned.. .especially not in the UK.

So the ''high'' on paper was in fact deceptive and the cause of the low, as the

debts had already been purchased which then lead to the slump?

For my part I think that a five year cycle is there for highs and lows, and will

make sure that in 2011/12 it will be better to take out or remove any savings,

before the next boom and bust tide of 2013:-)

best wishes

M

 

-

M. Sharma

 

Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:51 AM

Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

John

Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis in

Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

 

my 2 cents...

MS

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> To All:

>

> Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the economy

will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely with the

transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will enter

Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaste Marg,

 

It's good that you are pointing some techniques used in western astrology for

analyzing the market trends. I personally have not tried these techniques as I

am concentrating on understanding the ancient methods of jyotish--which could

take more than a lifetime to fathom.

 

Based on the actions of the US federal government, it appears that the controls

in the stock market were working. The government officials diagnosed the

problems fairly quickly to avert a global economic meltdown. Specifically, they

pumped trillions of dollars in the economy to get the banks to lend money again,

which was necessary to continue the business operations.

 

In 1929 the US government thought that the solution to the economic slowdown was

to tighten the money supply. By doing so, the economy collapsed into

depression.

 

There's more to this discussion--specifically the role of the mahadasha of Mars

in the US janma kundali. But that's for another day.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Hi John and Manjunath

> Hope you don't mind me adding something...

> I took a look at charts for some of the boom and bust periods....not that I

understand financial markets, just got a graph from my bank about highs and lows

and set up charts....

> In 1 March 2003 when stocks were low it was when Saturn was opposite

Mars...the thing is you would only notice this using tropical positions as the

aspect is hidden in sidereal zodiac due to there being a 5 degree orb at play in

the aspect...Sat is 22 deg Gemini Mars 27 deg Sagittarius(tropical)....that's

two malefics quite near the galactic centre?

> Again 1 August 2002 Sat was at 24 Gemini at another low.

> Last year the 'boom' was around 10th July when the two planets conjoined in

Virgo(tropical), and about two months after the big bust began to be

established.

> I think its how we interpret what went on last year which can create

confusion.

> Last year banks were riding high on a tide of optimism beginning a new

industry if you like which seemed lucrative at the time....buying and selling

debts.......mortgage debts....and lending sums of money never before

sanctioned...especially not in the UK.

> So the ''high'' on paper was in fact deceptive and the cause of the low, as

the debts had already been purchased which then lead to the slump?

> For my part I think that a five year cycle is there for highs and lows, and

will make sure that in 2011/12 it will be better to take out or remove any

savings, before the next boom and bust tide of 2013:-)

> best wishes

> M

>

>

>

>

> -

> M. Sharma

>

> Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:51 AM

> Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

>

>

>

>

>

> John

> Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis

in Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

>

> my 2 cents...

> MS

> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > To All:

> >

> > Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the

economy will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely

with the transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will

enter Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Marg,

 

Intuitively /from all the data combined in my brain data bank: astrology,

experience, previous financial market trends, numerous subliminal inputs,etc/  I

feel that recession will last couple of years- you mentioned 5year cycle- which

cycle are you referring to: financial market big cycle pattern or  astrological

one?

 

Also major Ju/Sa aspect is  in a making, and I wouldn't expect major turning

point prior to that- what's your take on this.

 

One thing seems ultimately the most relevant factor to me: human nature

 

Maybe we won't see wild expansion /leading to the recession/ ever again. But it

is highly unlikely, in my opinion. For that to become permanently internalized

lesson, so called 'human nature' ought to be profoundly changed- I don't see

that happening-

...Which makes hypothesis that short-span of human memory

along with its needs for excitement, risk, abundance, indulgence, etc, will

re-create the past and history will repeat itself over again.

/..BTW. are they not major ingredients in so called 'vitality' 'zest for life'

attraction to 'free market' gamble phenomena?/

 

Just  be patient for couple of years, excitement is just around the corner.

 

Anna

 

 

 

S.A.R

bonamente108

Western & Jyotish Consultations 

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 5/9/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

 

 

Marg <margie9

Re: Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

Received: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:36 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi John and Manjunath

Hope you don't mind me adding something...

I took a look at charts for some of the boom and bust periods....not that I

understand financial markets, just got a graph from my bank about highs and lows

and set up charts....

In 1 March 2003 when stocks were low it was when Saturn was opposite Mars...the

thing is you would only notice this using tropical positions as the aspect is

hidden in sidereal zodiac due to there being a 5 degree orb at play in the

aspect...Sat is 22 deg Gemini Mars 27 deg Sagittarius( tropical) ....that' s two

malefics quite near the galactic centre?

Again 1 August 2002 Sat was at 24 Gemini at another low.

Last year the 'boom' was around 10th July when the two planets conjoined in

Virgo(tropical) , and about two months after the big bust began to be

established.

I think its how we interpret what went on last year which can create confusion.

Last year banks were riding high on a tide of optimism beginning a new industry

if you like which seemed lucrative at the time....buying and selling

debts....... mortgage debts....and lending sums of money never before

sanctioned.. .especially not in the UK.

So the ''high'' on paper was in fact deceptive and the cause of the low, as the

debts had already been purchased which then lead to the slump?

For my part I think that a five year cycle is there for highs and lows, and will

make sure that in 2011/12 it will be better to take out or remove any savings,

before the next boom and bust tide of 2013:-)

best wishes

M

 

-

M. Sharma

 

Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:51 AM

Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

John

Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis in

Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

 

my 2 cents...

MS

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> To All:

>

> Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the economy

will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely with the

transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will enter

Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi John

I didn't try any techniques at all, until I got hold of a graph showing trends,

so thought it would be fun to set up a chart to see what was going on. It will

take me years to understand the financial markets, and haven't got time,

I should take a look at the MD of Mars, as you say, and see how that coincides

with Sat Mars connections also, but haven't got time sadly!

namaste M

-

John

Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:52 PM

Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Marg,

 

It's good that you are pointing some techniques used in western astrology for

analyzing the market trends. I personally have not tried these techniques as I

am concentrating on understanding the ancient methods of jyotish--which could

take more than a lifetime to fathom.

 

Based on the actions of the US federal government, it appears that the

controls in the stock market were working. The government officials diagnosed

the problems fairly quickly to avert a global economic meltdown. Specifically,

they pumped trillions of dollars in the economy to get the banks to lend money

again, which was necessary to continue the business operations.

 

In 1929 the US government thought that the solution to the economic slowdown

was to tighten the money supply. By doing so, the economy collapsed into

depression.

 

There's more to this discussion--specifically the role of the mahadasha of

Mars in the US janma kundali. But that's for another day.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Hi John and Manjunath

> Hope you don't mind me adding something...

> I took a look at charts for some of the boom and bust periods....not that I

understand financial markets, just got a graph from my bank about highs and lows

and set up charts....

> In 1 March 2003 when stocks were low it was when Saturn was opposite

Mars...the thing is you would only notice this using tropical positions as the

aspect is hidden in sidereal zodiac due to there being a 5 degree orb at play in

the aspect...Sat is 22 deg Gemini Mars 27 deg Sagittarius(tropical)....that's

two malefics quite near the galactic centre?

> Again 1 August 2002 Sat was at 24 Gemini at another low.

> Last year the 'boom' was around 10th July when the two planets conjoined in

Virgo(tropical), and about two months after the big bust began to be

established.

> I think its how we interpret what went on last year which can create

confusion.

> Last year banks were riding high on a tide of optimism beginning a new

industry if you like which seemed lucrative at the time....buying and selling

debts.......mortgage debts....and lending sums of money never before

sanctioned...especially not in the UK.

> So the ''high'' on paper was in fact deceptive and the cause of the low, as

the debts had already been purchased which then lead to the slump?

> For my part I think that a five year cycle is there for highs and lows, and

will make sure that in 2011/12 it will be better to take out or remove any

savings, before the next boom and bust tide of 2013:-)

> best wishes

> M

>

>

>

>

> -

> M. Sharma

>

> Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:51 AM

> Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

>

>

>

>

>

> John

> Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis

in Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

>

> my 2 cents...

> MS

> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > To All:

> >

> > Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the

economy will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely

with the transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will

enter Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anna

For some reason the financial cycle I picked up on with the graphs I got hold

of reflected a five year cycle.

Also, with my own experience a five year cycle seems to be operative. People had

more money in August last year than by October when things showed how wrong they

were going..............

I believe the financial debacle is being deliberately engineered either by the

G20/7/8/ whatever, and/or the international banks. The International banks are

using moons trends anyway in their computer. I also think some of the happenings

in financial markets are about flushing out the fraudsters as well and setting

up new 'crises' which will make people demand new rules to make money laundering

impossible. Neptune is with Jupiter and this means fraud and deception by

bankers and those in charge of the treasury...underhand dealings and misleading

information.....not to mention clearly showing scurrilous people like Madoff...a

prime example of Neptune with Jupiter---in fact he could be the ultimate

metaphor for the Neptune Jupiter conjunction.

But then what do I know!

best wishes

M

 

 

 

 

-

sar108

Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:56 PM

Re: Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Marg,

 

Intuitively /from all the data combined in my brain data bank: astrology,

experience, previous financial market trends, numerous subliminal inputs,etc/ I

feel that recession will last couple of years- you mentioned 5year cycle- which

cycle are you referring to: financial market big cycle pattern or astrological

one?

 

Also major Ju/Sa aspect is in a making, and I wouldn't expect major turning

point prior to that- what's your take on this.

 

One thing seems ultimately the most relevant factor to me: human nature

 

Maybe we won't see wild expansion /leading to the recession/ ever again. But

it is highly unlikely, in my opinion. For that to become permanently

internalized lesson, so called 'human nature' ought to be profoundly changed- I

don't see that happening-

..Which makes hypothesis that short-span of human memory

along with its needs for excitement, risk, abundance, indulgence, etc, will

re-create the past and history will repeat itself over again.

/..BTW. are they not major ingredients in so called 'vitality' 'zest for life'

attraction to 'free market' gamble phenomena?/

 

Just be patient for couple of years, excitement is just around the corner.

 

Anna

 

 

 

S.A.R

bonamente108

Western & Jyotish Consultations

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 5/9/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

 

Marg <margie9

Re: Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

Received: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:36 AM

 

Hi John and Manjunath

Hope you don't mind me adding something...

I took a look at charts for some of the boom and bust periods....not that I

understand financial markets, just got a graph from my bank about highs and lows

and set up charts....

In 1 March 2003 when stocks were low it was when Saturn was opposite

Mars...the thing is you would only notice this using tropical positions as the

aspect is hidden in sidereal zodiac due to there being a 5 degree orb at play in

the aspect...Sat is 22 deg Gemini Mars 27 deg Sagittarius( tropical) ....that' s

two malefics quite near the galactic centre?

Again 1 August 2002 Sat was at 24 Gemini at another low.

Last year the 'boom' was around 10th July when the two planets conjoined in

Virgo(tropical) , and about two months after the big bust began to be

established.

I think its how we interpret what went on last year which can create

confusion.

Last year banks were riding high on a tide of optimism beginning a new

industry if you like which seemed lucrative at the time....buying and selling

debts....... mortgage debts....and lending sums of money never before

sanctioned.. .especially not in the UK.

So the ''high'' on paper was in fact deceptive and the cause of the low, as

the debts had already been purchased which then lead to the slump?

For my part I think that a five year cycle is there for highs and lows, and

will make sure that in 2011/12 it will be better to take out or remove any

savings, before the next boom and bust tide of 2013:-)

best wishes

M

 

-

M. Sharma

Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:51 AM

Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

John

Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis

in Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

 

my 2 cents...

MS

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> To All:

>

> Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the economy

will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely with the

transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will enter

Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Again Anna

You might like to try this, I did with outstanding results

17th May 1792 the US stock market was established. I take the ''birth'' of this

to be sunrise that day, as the sun represents all ''gold standard trading'' and

so at $ 44 am on that day the ''birth' of world trading standards was enforced

upon global trade markets....very obviously designed by astrologers advising the

government of the day at that time...

Take a close look at the DEGREES of planets on that day at sunrise for New

York...

Take a look also at the approach of Jupiter to Neptune on that day, even Tibetan

astrologers know that the outer planets MUST be used in mundane or global

astrology.

Jupiter is only 5 degrees away from conjunction with Neptune., both are powerful

due to retrograde nature.

Then take a look at the chart for the attack on the world trade centre on 11

Sept 2003, and take a close look at the transit of Sun, conjunct which natal

planet of the world stock market chart?

Take a look at other transits on this day in 11TH sept 2003 and those natally

1792 and see what is going on which suggests an air attack-------HOW CLOSE is

Mars in transit to transit Uranus? Both are in opposite transit to transit sun,

and sun is ruler of fourth in the natal chart of the 1792 chart.Not only that

sun rules the stock market as it is ruler of gold and shares and investments.

However, what concerns me most is the fact that in the 1792 chart Jupiter so

close to Neptune means that we have bankers----Jupiter, practising

deception---Neptune, or banking on a dream or fantasy of making a global fortune

from their enterprise of establishing a global domination of world wide

shares....not to mention profiteering from deceiving the global market in what

their real motive or purpose is......Jupiter---banker, with Neptune---lying,

deceit, clearly shown in the 1792 chart shows people with money setting up an

enterprise to deceive others in order to get control of their money for their

own ends.

The you can take a look at the 1st June chart 2007 and see many links degree

wise which show why it is that record breaking changes to that market were about

to shake the globe...mostly as a result of deception and story telling---the

domain of Jupiter and Neptune conjunct.

This year we have Neptune conjunct natal Jupiter, again, though in a different

sign, and both are in the same degree as natal Saturn in 1792 chart but form a

2/12 position.....not good for the globe but good for those who have shares in

the US stock market racket.....they gain the rest of the globe loses which is

exactly why the 17th May 1792 chart was chosen......

There are many other things I have found out with this chart, but I'll rest it

for now

best wishes

M

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

sar108

Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:56 PM

Re: Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Marg,

 

Intuitively /from all the data combined in my brain data bank: astrology,

experience, previous financial market trends, numerous subliminal inputs,etc/ I

feel that recession will last couple of years- you mentioned 5year cycle- which

cycle are you referring to: financial market big cycle pattern or astrological

one?

 

Also major Ju/Sa aspect is in a making, and I wouldn't expect major turning

point prior to that- what's your take on this.

 

One thing seems ultimately the most relevant factor to me: human nature

 

Maybe we won't see wild expansion /leading to the recession/ ever again. But

it is highly unlikely, in my opinion. For that to become permanently

internalized lesson, so called 'human nature' ought to be profoundly changed- I

don't see that happening-

..Which makes hypothesis that short-span of human memory

along with its needs for excitement, risk, abundance, indulgence, etc, will

re-create the past and history will repeat itself over again.

/..BTW. are they not major ingredients in so called 'vitality' 'zest for life'

attraction to 'free market' gamble phenomena?/

 

Just be patient for couple of years, excitement is just around the corner.

 

Anna

 

 

 

S.A.R

bonamente108

Western & Jyotish Consultations

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 5/9/09, Marg <margie9 wrote:

 

Marg <margie9

Re: Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

Received: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 3:36 AM

 

Hi John and Manjunath

Hope you don't mind me adding something...

I took a look at charts for some of the boom and bust periods....not that I

understand financial markets, just got a graph from my bank about highs and lows

and set up charts....

In 1 March 2003 when stocks were low it was when Saturn was opposite

Mars...the thing is you would only notice this using tropical positions as the

aspect is hidden in sidereal zodiac due to there being a 5 degree orb at play in

the aspect...Sat is 22 deg Gemini Mars 27 deg Sagittarius( tropical) ....that' s

two malefics quite near the galactic centre?

Again 1 August 2002 Sat was at 24 Gemini at another low.

Last year the 'boom' was around 10th July when the two planets conjoined in

Virgo(tropical) , and about two months after the big bust began to be

established.

I think its how we interpret what went on last year which can create

confusion.

Last year banks were riding high on a tide of optimism beginning a new

industry if you like which seemed lucrative at the time....buying and selling

debts....... mortgage debts....and lending sums of money never before

sanctioned.. .especially not in the UK.

So the ''high'' on paper was in fact deceptive and the cause of the low, as

the debts had already been purchased which then lead to the slump?

For my part I think that a five year cycle is there for highs and lows, and

will make sure that in 2011/12 it will be better to take out or remove any

savings, before the next boom and bust tide of 2013:-)

best wishes

M

 

-

M. Sharma

Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:51 AM

Re: US Economy will Recover by the end of 2009

 

John

Not sure what you are trying to convey. Nobody predicted the economic crisis

in Oct 2008. Jupiter was strong all year (2008) in Dhanus rasi. Every body

predicted great time for finance companies, banks etc. But exactly the opposite

happened. I think this is an area that needs research and just basing Jupiter's

position in signs and making even some references to economy could be over

simplication.

 

my 2 cents...

MS

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> To All:

>

> Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, stated that the economy

will recover later this year. This assessment coincided fairly closely with the

transit of Jupiter out of Capricorn. To be more specific, Jupiter will enter

Aquarius on December 19, 2009.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>