[VRI] Fwd: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

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Dear Gopi ji!

 

This *is* part of research and an important thing to figure out and establish!

Because it establishes the need to learn something!

 

Take chemistry for example. When Alchemy prevailed, there were faculties and

schools of Alchemy I am sure but how many students enrolled or chose it as their

life's mission?

 

I would be curious to find out what was the enrollment in Chemistry in say 1700s

or 1800s and even if we factor in the 'estimated' population that we have today

what is the current enrollment rate?

 

I think Chemistry as a SCIENCE (PURE SCIENCE if I may add as it is defined and

accepted!) attracts a lot more bright minds to it and this is not for any

esoteric reason but common-sense. Pioneers established and demonstrated

Chemistry as Science and 'demonstrated' (not just claimed!!) its usefulness to

modern reality and progress that some may shun or pooh-pooh but if they are

typing on a computer or use any detergents in their kitchen or bathroom or use

adhesives or occasionally paint (their deva-sthali or temple, for instance?) and

have use for metals or take public transport (diesel...?) or simply cook food

before they eat (chemistry again!)!

 

In some ways this is almost a 'human' process and trend and hence so many bright

minds are trying to establish astrology as a science and to justify its

importance and need for modern society. No need to get frustrated or threatened

by it (I know you are not threatened, just frustrated! :-)) because it is a very

well tested and true paradigm and approach! Demonstrate the usefulness,

reproducibility and validity of something, say a discipline, a subject and human

beings will take notice! Humans are not foolish, though they get impatient and

distracted easily. They react because it is the sign of intelligence. Like

between a kitten and a tortoise -- which one would you really think is

intelligent, despite the cat living a much shorter life than a massive tortoise

or a sloth or a lizard or a slab of granite?

 

RR

 

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

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> Dear ones,

>

> namaste to all.This thing of astrology is a

> science or a myth is going on and on for decades and it may keep on

> going as well since human mind is such that it wants to keep such things

> going for its own survival! or amusement.Whether it is a science or not

> we must agree that astrology is astrology.We should only be interested

> in whether it works or not.Every astrologer who is his worth not in

> money knows that it works.Hence i only request the learned ones to stop

> this argument and concentrate on the research part of it.

>

> regards,

>

> gopi.

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote:

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> > Dear Hareshji,

> > Â

> > Namaste,

> > Â

> > There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and the karma

> theory because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us including you

> believe in the karma theory and in rebirth. So also we believe in

> astrology and that the natal charts tell us about past karma and in this

> life we reap according to our past karma and the present karma together

> and that is why some present karmas do influence on our past

> karmaphal. In the Mahabharata also there umpteen instances ofÂ

> omens (effect of the grahas and nakhsatras). Hindus believe in all

> these. Astrology was there in the Hindu culture from the beginning and

> it is mentioned in the Manu Smriti. Besides Hindus the otherÂ

> religions and communities also have such beliefs. The christians believe

> that Jesus Christ himself predicted that he would resurrect after death

> and that he accordingly resurrected yet after his death he could

> appear before some of his disciples in flesh amd blood. They also

> believe

> > that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk on

> water. Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam also

> believes that the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad and

> that prophet Muhammad had once journeyed to some distant far-away

> inaccessible regions in one night.

> > Â

> > Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He may

> find some supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother about

> that. But he is spreading some lies such as the Rashis are not there

> in the Veda and Vedanga and that astrology was not known to the Hindus

> in the ancient times. We sould be on our guard only against his such

> mischievous lies.

> > Â

> > Regards,

> > Â

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

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> > Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved@

> > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in

> which aspect?

> > vedic_research_institute

> > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM

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> > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

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> > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > Namaskar!

> > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific

> results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve

> houses or bhava’s in a horoscope. "

> >

> > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the

> cost of the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that

> last several centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people

> have become bored to death by such joke being repeated time and again!

> >

> > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic

> astrology is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no

> courage to say so openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going

> through Rotary.doc in the files section

> > Regards,

> > A K Kaul

> > , " Haresh \(Harry\)

> Nathani " <haresh1405@ > wrote:

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> > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > >

> > >

> > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > >

> > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on

> placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

> bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi

> Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge of the

> placement of all the planets through which they could predict and tell

> everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is

> born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his

> or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were

> keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji

> replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future

> through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same

> through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in reality.

> > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in

> this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company,

> so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan

> in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow

> he needs bothers/sisters/ friends/contacts /relatives, so God gave him

> younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts.

> > > Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs

> some place where he can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God

> gave him house & luxuries. In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury

> & now in present days it a two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house

> to live he needs intelligence and children for the family to grow. God

> gave him intelligence and capability to have children.

> > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries,

> intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all

> the comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven

> so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a

> person has sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will

> also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse

> to look after and support and satisfy our lust. God also gave us

> a certain life span or longevity.

> > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the

> form of fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to

> remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma

> or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various ways

> of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing

> business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession as

> either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession. God

> also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is not

> 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our loss.

> > > In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the

> first house we see ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and

> money/dhan, and from 3rd house we see our siblings, friends, relatives,

> contacts. From the 4th house we see our luxuries, from 5th house we see

> our intelligence and our children, from 6th house we see our enemies and

> our disease state, from 7th house our sexual relationships and our

> spouse, from 8th house we see our longevity.

> > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service,

> from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how

> will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house says what

> will be our losses and up to what extent.

> > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or

> Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or

> Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or

> Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger

> siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and

> queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher

> or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and also

> show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust our

> sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who will

> do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise

> themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet

> & house they sit.

> > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs, moon in 10

> yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20

> yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha

> dasha’s.

> > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us

> what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our

> sufferings.

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Haresh Nathani

> > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > Mumbai (India)

> > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > > ÂÂ

> > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +919867214103

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> > > Is astrology a science or a religious

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