[VRI] Fwd: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

[Guest guest]

Dear Dada,

 

If our personal belief is firm and we are fully at peace with same, we shall not

sway readily in the winds created by the uncertainties of others!

 

It is when we take up the formidable task of transforming others without even

knowing or getting to know who the 'others' are is when we run into problems

that Internet and particularly Jyotish fora are experiencing!

 

You can never make an enemy see your point! First make him a friend, because

really in the very short time that we human beings are given to spend a

lifetime, there is not enough time to make enemies, although when we stretch our

hands to make friends, TIME stretches!

 

Must be one of those quantum realities or something ... What do I know?

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini,

>  

> I do not call astrology as science as there are some esoteric elements in it.

If some people do not believe in it one has to leave them alone. In the same

way one should not object to anybody's believing in astrology. The Grahas and

the Nakshatras may effect us either in  inperceptible or in imperceptible ways.

The Jupiter is protecting us by diverting to itself some stray heavenly bodies,

which otherwise would have hit the Earth. We see the effect of the Sun and the

Moon on water when go to the sea-side and we should not forget that our bodies

have more water than anything else.  If one one wants to evaluate these

effects anew on statistical basis we should not object to it. But if one

condemns astrology just because he thinks that the Grahas and the Nakshatras

cannot affect us or that any relation between the heavenly bodies and us cannot

exist then  that condemnation is unpardonable.

>  

> Moreover the Hindus are right in getting upset when AKK and his likes  are

trying their best  to distort the antiquity of Hindu astrology and that is an

attack on Hinduism itself as Jyotish is a subject which has sanction from the

ancient Dharmashastra Manu Smriti.

>  

> Best wishes,

>  

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

> [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in which aspect?

>

> Thursday, May 14, 2009, 6:35 PM

>

>

Dear Dada-bhai,

>

> Perhaps I am sticking my nose in the wrong gun-slinging but over the short

teen-chaar decades of dabbling with jyotish etc what I have noticed is that

there seems to be a tendency to claim before prooving! Scientists doing such

would get killed, metaphorically at least in the real world out there, even if

some may call it 'phani' (or the way a Bangali $wamiji that I came across long

ago would have pronounced " funny " if you catch my drift!)!

>

> If astrology is indeed science and astrologers seem to be overeager to claim

and prove it to be, and that is perfectly fine, but did Science get established

as a MAJOR force to be reckoned with in modern reality by going back to its

scriptures (papers written in 1700s or 1800s?).

>

> NO! It (and scientists) built upon what was created by Giants of Yore but with

reasonable caution! While *LATER-DAY* Scientists gratefully climbed on the

shoulders of their GIANT pioneers, they always made sure that they packed a

working parachute before the climb! Being pragmatic by disposition, they took

into account the 'risk': What if the ancient cookie crumbles!! Cookies are known

to biodegrade over long periods of time. Yes??

>

> RR

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

> >

> > Dear Hareshji,

> >  

> > Namaste,

> >  

> > There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and the karma theory

because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us including you believe in the

karma theory and in rebirth. So also we believe in astrology and that the

natal charts tell us about past karma and in this life we reap according to our

past karma and the present karma together and that is why some present karmas

do influence on our past karmaphal. In the Mahabharata also there umpteen

instances of  omens (effect of the grahas and nakhsatras).  Hindus believe

in all these. Astrology was there in the Hindu culture from the beginning and it

is mentioned in the Manu Smriti. Besides Hindus the other religions and

communities also have such beliefs. The christians believe that Jesus Christ

himself predicted that he would resurrect after death and that he accordingly

resurrected yet after his death he could appear before some of his disciples

in flesh amd blood.

> They also believe

> > that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk on water.

Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam also believes that

the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad and that prophet Muhammad

had once journeyed to some distant far-away inaccessible regions in one night.

> >  

> > Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He may find

some supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother about that.

But he is spreading some lies such as the Rashis are not there in the Veda

and Vedanga and that astrology was not known to the Hindus in the ancient times.

We sould be on our guard only against his such mischievous lies.

> >  

> > Regards,

> >  

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..>

> > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which

aspect?

> > vedic_research_ institute

> > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > Namaskar!

> > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results

based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. "

> >

> > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the cost of

the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that last several

centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people have become bored to

death by such joke being repeated time and again!

> >

> > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic astrology

is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no courage to say so

openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going through Rotary.doc in the files

section

> > Regards,

> > A K Kaul

> > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > >

> > >

> > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > >

> > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on

placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi

Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge of the placement

of all the planets through which they could predict and tell everything about

the past, present & future of an individual.

> > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is born with

his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past,

present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same

and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know

about their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this

universe will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio

Data in reality.

> > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this

human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave

him a family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain

himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/

friends/contacts /relatives, so God gave him younger siblings, friends,

relatives, contacts.

> > > Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs

some place where he can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him

house & luxuries. In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present

days it a two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs

intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and

capability to have children.

> > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries,

intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the

comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave

him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has

sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of

lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and

satisfy our lust.  God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of

fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then

God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain

oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by

engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by

selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our

own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever

we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our

loss.

> > > In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the

first house we see ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan,

and from 3rd house we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the

4th house we see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our

children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th

house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our

longevity.

> > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from

10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn

money by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and

up to what extent.

> > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or Surya is

the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen

of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense

minister or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury

or Budh is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence.

Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us

knowledge or gyan and also show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our

greed, lust our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant

who will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise

themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet & house

they sit.

> > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,  moon in 10 yrs,

mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in

19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha

dasha’s.

> > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are

our good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings.

> > >  

> > > Haresh Nathani

> > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > Mumbai (India)

> > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > >  

> > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER  CELL +919867214103

> > > Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ://in.groups. / search?query=

chandra-adityaas troremedies

> > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies/database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=1 & sortBy= 1 & sortDir= up

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>

> > >

> > > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > > Is astrology a science or a religious myth?

in which aspect?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > is there anyone that can answer me?

> > >

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > >

> > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition

http://downloads. / in/firefox/ ?fr=om_email_ firefox

> > >

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

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[Guest guest]

It is a mature posting by Sunil Da.

 

-Vinay Jha

 

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________________________________

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

 

Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:35:32 AM

[VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in which aspect?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dada,

 

If our personal belief is firm and we are fully at peace with same, we shall not

sway readily in the winds created by the uncertainties of others!

 

It is when we take up the formidable task of transforming others without even

knowing or getting to know who the 'others' are is when we run into problems

that Internet and particularly Jyotish fora are experiencing!

 

You can never make an enemy see your point! First make him a friend, because

really in the very short time that we human beings are given to spend a

lifetime, there is not enough time to make enemies, although when we stretch our

hands to make friends, TIME stretches!

 

Must be one of those quantum realities or something ... What do I know?

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini,

> Â

> I do not call astrology as science as there are some esoteric elements in it.

If some people do not believe in it one has to leave them alone. In the same

way one should not object to anybody's believing in astrology. The Grahas and

the Nakshatras may effect us either in inperceptible or in imperceptible

ways. The Jupiter is protecting us by diverting to itself some stray heavenly

bodies, which otherwise would have hit the Earth. We see the effect of the

Sun and the Moon on water when go to the sea-side and we should not forget that

our bodies have more water than anything else.  If one one wants to evaluate

these effects anew on statistical basis we should not object to it. But if one

condemns astrology just because he thinks that the Grahas and the Nakshatras

cannot affect us or that any relation between the heavenly bodies and us

cannot exist then that condemnation is unpardonable.

> Â

> Moreover the Hindus are right in getting upset when AKK and his likes  are

trying their best  to distort the antiquity of Hindu astrology and that is an

attack on Hinduism itself as Jyotish is a subject which has sanction from the

ancient Dharmashastra Manu Smriti.

> Â

> Best wishes,

> Â

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

>

> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in which aspect?

>

> Thursday, May 14, 2009, 6:35 PM

>

>

Dear Dada-bhai,

>

> Perhaps I am sticking my nose in the wrong gun-slinging but over the short

teen-chaar decades of dabbling with jyotish etc what I have noticed is that

there seems to be a tendency to claim before prooving! Scientists doing such

would get killed, metaphorically at least in the real world out there, even if

some may call it 'phani' (or the way a Bangali $wamiji that I came across long

ago would have pronounced " funny " if you catch my drift!)!

>

> If astrology is indeed science and astrologers seem to be overeager to claim

and prove it to be, and that is perfectly fine, but did Science get established

as a MAJOR force to be reckoned with in modern reality by going back to its

scriptures (papers written in 1700s or 1800s?).

>

> NO! It (and scientists) built upon what was created by Giants of Yore but with

reasonable caution! While *LATER-DAY* Scientists gratefully climbed on the

shoulders of their GIANT pioneers, they always made sure that they packed a

working parachute before the climb! Being pragmatic by disposition, they took

into account the 'risk': What if the ancient cookie crumbles!! Cookies are known

to biodegrade over long periods of time. Yes??

>

> RR

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

> >

> > Dear Hareshji,

> > ÂÂ

> > Namaste,

> > ÂÂ

> > There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and the karma

theory because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us including you believe

in the karma theory and in rebirth. So also we believe in astrology and

that the natal charts tell us about past karma and in this life we reap

according to our past karma and the present karma together and that is

why some present karmas do influence on our past karmaphal. In the

Mahabharata also there umpteen instances of omens (effect of the grahas

and nakhsatras). Hindus believe in all these. Astrology was there in the

Hindu culture from the beginning and it is mentioned in the Manu Smriti. Besides

Hindus the other religions and communities also have such beliefs. The

christians believe that Jesus Christ himself predicted that he would resurrect

after death and that he accordingly resurrected yet after his death he could

appear before some of

his disciples in flesh amd blood.

> They also believe

> > that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk on water.

Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam also believes that

the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad and that prophet Muhammad

had once journeyed to some distant far-away inaccessible regions in one night.

> > ÂÂ

> > Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He may find

some supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother about that.

But he is spreading some lies such as the Rashis are not there in the

Veda and Vedanga and that astrology was not known to the Hindus in the ancient

times. We sould be on our guard only against his such mischievous lies.

> > ÂÂ

> > Regards,

> > ÂÂ

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..>

> > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which

aspect?

> > vedic_research_ institute

> > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > Namaskar!

> > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results

based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. "

> >

> > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the cost of

the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that last several

centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people have become bored to

death by such joke being repeated time and again!

> >

> > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic astrology

is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no courage to say so

openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going through Rotary.doc in the files

section

> > Regards,

> > A K Kaul

> > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > >

> > >

> > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > >

> > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on

placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days

Rishi Munni’s had divya gyan and complete

knowledge of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict

and tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is born with

his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past,

present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same

and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know

about their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this

universe will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio

Data in reality.

> > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this

human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave

him a family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain

himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/

friends/contacts /relatives, so God gave him younger siblings, friends,

relatives, contacts.

> > > Now with family, money, siblings, and

friend’s man needs some place where he can

live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries. In good

old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a two or four

wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs intelligence and children for

the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and capability to have children.

> > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries,

intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the

comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave

him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has

sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of

lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and

satisfy our lust. God also gave us a certain life span or

longevity.

> > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of

fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then

God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain

oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by

engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by

selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our

own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever

we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our

loss.

> > > In astrology we have twelve houses or

bhava’s. From the first house we see

ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house

we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we see our

luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our children, from 6th

house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th house our sexual

relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our longevity.

> > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from

10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn

money by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and

up to what extent.

> > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or Surya is

the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen

of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense

minister or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury

or Budh is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence.

Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us

knowledge or gyan and also show our prosperity.  Venus or

Shukra is our greed, lust our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is

the servant who will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who

disguise themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet

& house they sit.

> > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs, moon

in 10 yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs,

Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha

dasha’s.

> > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are

our good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings.

> > > ÂÂÂ

> > > Haresh Nathani

> > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > Mumbai (India)

> > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > > ÂÂÂ

> > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL

+919867214103

> > > Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ://in.groups. / search?query=

chandra-adityaas troremedies

> > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies/database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=1 & sortBy= 1 & sortDir= up

> > > ÂÂÂ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>

> > >

> > > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > > Is astrology a science or a religious myth?

in which aspect?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > is there anyone that can answer me?

> > >

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > >

> > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition

http://downloads. / in/firefox/ ?fr=om_email_ firefox

> > >

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

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