[VRI] Fwd: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

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Dear Rohiniji,

 

well said.

 

regards,

 

gopi.

 

 

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Dada,

>

> If our personal belief is firm and we are fully at peace with same, we

shall not sway readily in the winds created by the uncertainties of

others!

>

> It is when we take up the formidable task of transforming others

without even knowing or getting to know who the 'others' are is when we

run into problems that Internet and particularly Jyotish fora are

experiencing!

>

> You can never make an enemy see your point! First make him a friend,

because really in the very short time that we human beings are given to

spend a lifetime, there is not enough time to make enemies, although

when we stretch our hands to make friends, TIME stretches!

>

> Must be one of those quantum realities or something ... What do I

know?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini,

> > Â

> > I do not call astrology as science as there are some esoteric

elements in it. If some people do not believe in it one has to

leave them alone. In the same way one should not object to anybody's

believing in astrology. The Grahas and the Nakshatras may effect us

either in inperceptible or in imperceptible ways. The Jupiter is

protecting us by diverting to itself some stray heavenly bodies, which

otherwise would have hit the Earth. We see the effect of the Sun

and the Moon on water when go to the sea-side and we should not forget

that our bodies have more water than anything else.  If one one

wants to evaluate these effects anew on statistical basis we should not

object to it. But if one condemns astrology just because he thinks

that the Grahas and the Nakshatras cannot affect us or that any relation

between the heavenly bodies and us cannot exist then that

condemnation is unpardonable.

> > Â

> > Moreover the Hindus are right in getting upset when AKK and his

likes  are trying their best  to distort the antiquity of

Hindu astrology and that is an attack on Hinduism itself as Jyotish is a

subject which has sanction from the ancient Dharmashastra Manu Smriti.

> > Â

> > Best wishes,

> > Â

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> >

> > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a

religious myth? in which aspect?

> >

> > Thursday, May 14, 2009, 6:35 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dada-bhai,

> >

> > Perhaps I am sticking my nose in the wrong gun-slinging but over the

short teen-chaar decades of dabbling with jyotish etc what I have

noticed is that there seems to be a tendency to claim before prooving!

Scientists doing such would get killed, metaphorically at least in the

real world out there, even if some may call it 'phani' (or the way a

Bangali $wamiji that I came across long ago would have pronounced

" funny " if you catch my drift!)!

> >

> > If astrology is indeed science and astrologers seem to be overeager

to claim and prove it to be, and that is perfectly fine, but did Science

get established as a MAJOR force to be reckoned with in modern reality

by going back to its scriptures (papers written in 1700s or 1800s?).

> >

> > NO! It (and scientists) built upon what was created by Giants of

Yore but with reasonable caution! While *LATER-DAY* Scientists

gratefully climbed on the shoulders of their GIANT pioneers, they always

made sure that they packed a working parachute before the climb! Being

pragmatic by disposition, they took into account the 'risk': What if the

ancient cookie crumbles!! Cookies are known to biodegrade over long

periods of time. Yes??

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Hareshji,

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Namaste,

> > > ÂÂ

> > > There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and

the karma theory because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us

including you believe in the karma theory and in rebirth. So also

we believe in astrology and that the natal charts tell us about past

karma and in this life we reap according to our past karma and the

present karma together and that is why some present karmas do

influence on our past karmaphal. In the Mahabharata also there

umpteen instances of omens (effect of the grahas and

nakhsatras). Hindus believe in all these. Astrology was there in

the Hindu culture from the beginning and it is mentioned in the Manu

Smriti. Besides Hindus the other religions and communities also

have such beliefs. The christians believe that Jesus Christ himself

predicted that he would resurrect after death and that he accordingly

resurrected yet after his death he could appear before some of

his disciples in flesh amd blood.

> > They also believe

> > > that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk

on water. Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam

also believes that the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad

and that prophet Muhammad had once journeyed to some distant far-away

inaccessible regions in one night.

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He

may find some supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother

about that. But he is spreading some lies such as the Rashis are

not there in the Veda and Vedanga and that astrology was not known to

the Hindus in the ancient times. We sould be on our guard only against

his such mischievous lies.

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Regards,

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..>

> > > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in which aspect?

> > > vedic_research_ institute

> > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific

results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve

houses or bhava’s in a horoscope. "

> > >

> > > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the

cost of the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that

last several centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people

have become bored to death by such joke being repeated time and again!

> > >

> > > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic

astrology is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no

courage to say so openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going

through Rotary.doc in the files section

> > > Regards,

> > > A K Kaul

> > > , " Haresh \(Harry\)

Nathani " <haresh1405@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > > >

> > > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi

Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge

of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict and

tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> > > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is

born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his

or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were

keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji

replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future

through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same

through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in reality.

> > > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person

in this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him

company, so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs

money/dhan in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in

order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/ friends/contacts /relatives, so

God gave him younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts.

> > > > Now with family, money, siblings, and

friend’s man needs some place where he can

live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries.

In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a

two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs

intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him

intelligence and capability to have children.

> > > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings,

luxuries, intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if

person has all the comforts of life there will be no difference between

hell and heaven so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and

enemies. Now if a person has sufferings he needs someone to look after

him and he will also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he

gave him a spouse to look after and support and satisfy our

lust. God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in

the form of fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness

to remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of

karma or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various

ways of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing

business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession as

either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession. God

also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is not

100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our loss.

> > > > In astrology we have twelve houses or

bhava’s. From the first house we see ourselves,

from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house we

see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we

see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our

children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from

7th house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see

our longevity.

> > > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional

service, from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th

house how will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house

says what will be our losses and up to what extent.

> > > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or

Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or

Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or

Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger

siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and

queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher

or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and also

show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust

our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who

will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise

themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet

& house they sit.

> > > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,ÂÂÂ

moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs,

Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These

are our maha dasha’s.

> > > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells

us what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our

sufferings.

> > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > > Haresh Nathani

> > > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > > Mumbai (India)

> > > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL

+919867214103

> > > > Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ://in.groups. /

search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies

> > > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed

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> > > > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>

> > > >

> > > > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > > > Is astrology a science or a

religious myth? in which aspect?

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> > > > is there anyone that can answer me?

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[Guest guest]

RR Ji,

 

<<<< You can never make an enemy see your point! First make him a friend,

because really in the very short time that we human beings are given to spend a

lifetime, there is not enough time to make enemies, although when we stretch our

hands to make friends, TIME stretches! >>>

 

The real enemy is within oneself, in each of us. And the real friend is also

within each of us, which is a sparkle of divine light.

 

-VJ

================ ==

 

 

________________________________

gopi_b927 <gopi_b927

 

Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:04:39 AM

[VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in which aspect?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rohiniji,

 

well said.

 

regards,

 

gopi.

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Dada,

>

> If our personal belief is firm and we are fully at peace with same, we

shall not sway readily in the winds created by the uncertainties of

others!

>

> It is when we take up the formidable task of transforming others

without even knowing or getting to know who the 'others' are is when we

run into problems that Internet and particularly Jyotish fora are

experiencing!

>

> You can never make an enemy see your point! First make him a friend,

because really in the very short time that we human beings are given to

spend a lifetime, there is not enough time to make enemies, although

when we stretch our hands to make friends, TIME stretches!

>

> Must be one of those quantum realities or something ... What do I

know?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini,

> > Â

> > I do not call astrology as science as there are some esoteric

elements in it. If some people do not believe in it one has to

leave them alone. In the same way one should not object to anybody's

believing in astrology. The Grahas and the Nakshatras may effect us

either in inperceptible or in imperceptible ways. The Jupiter is

protecting us by diverting to itself some stray heavenly bodies, which

otherwise would have hit the Earth. We see the effect of the Sun

and the Moon on water when go to the sea-side and we should not forget

that our bodies have more water than anything else.  If one one

wants to evaluate these effects anew on statistical basis we should not

object to it. But if one condemns astrology just because he thinks

that the Grahas and the Nakshatras cannot affect us or that any relation

between the heavenly bodies and us cannot exist then that

condemnation is unpardonable.

> > Â

> > Moreover the Hindus are right in getting upset when AKK and his

likes  are trying their best  to distort the antiquity of

Hindu astrology and that is an attack on Hinduism itself as Jyotish is a

subject which has sanction from the ancient Dharmashastra Manu Smriti.

> > Â

> > Best wishes,

> > Â

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> > Â

> >

> > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a

religious myth? in which aspect?

> >

> > Thursday, May 14, 2009, 6:35 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dada-bhai,

> >

> > Perhaps I am sticking my nose in the wrong gun-slinging but over the

short teen-chaar decades of dabbling with jyotish etc what I have

noticed is that there seems to be a tendency to claim before prooving!

Scientists doing such would get killed, metaphorically at least in the

real world out there, even if some may call it 'phani' (or the way a

Bangali $wamiji that I came across long ago would have pronounced

" funny " if you catch my drift!)!

> >

> > If astrology is indeed science and astrologers seem to be overeager

to claim and prove it to be, and that is perfectly fine, but did Science

get established as a MAJOR force to be reckoned with in modern reality

by going back to its scriptures (papers written in 1700s or 1800s?).

> >

> > NO! It (and scientists) built upon what was created by Giants of

Yore but with reasonable caution! While *LATER-DAY* Scientists

gratefully climbed on the shoulders of their GIANT pioneers, they always

made sure that they packed a working parachute before the climb! Being

pragmatic by disposition, they took into account the 'risk': What if the

ancient cookie crumbles!! Cookies are known to biodegrade over long

periods of time. Yes??

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Hareshji,

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Namaste,

> > > ÂÂ

> > > There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and

the karma theory because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us

including you believe in the karma theory and in rebirth.. So also

we believe in astrology and that the natal charts tell us about past

karma and in this life we reap according to our past karma and the

present karma together and that is why some present karmas do

influence on our past karmaphal. In the Mahabharata also there

umpteen instances of omens (effect of the grahas and

nakhsatras). Hindus believe in all these. Astrology was there in

the Hindu culture from the beginning and it is mentioned in the Manu

Smriti. Besides Hindus the other religions and communities also

have such beliefs. The christians believe that Jesus Christ himself

predicted that he would resurrect after death and that he accordingly

resurrected yet after his death he could appear before some of

his disciples in flesh amd blood.

> > They also believe

> > > that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk

on water. Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam

also believes that the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad

and that prophet Muhammad had once journeyed to some distant far-away

inaccessible regions in one night.

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He

may find some supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother

about that. But he is spreading some lies such as the Rashis are

not there in the Veda and Vedanga and that astrology was not known to

the Hindus in the ancient times. We sould be on our guard only against

his such mischievous lies.

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Regards,

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..>

> > > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in which aspect?

> > > vedic_research_ institute

> > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific

results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve

houses or bhava’s in a horoscope. "

> > >

> > > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the

cost of the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that

last several centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people

have become bored to death by such joke being repeated time and again!

> > >

> > > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic

astrology is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no

courage to say so openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going

through Rotary.doc in the files section

> > > Regards,

> > > A K Kaul

> > > , " Haresh \(Harry\)

Nathani " <haresh1405@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > > >

> > > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days

Rishi

Munni’s had divya gyan and complete

knowledge

of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict and

tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> > > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is

born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his

or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were

keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji

replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future

through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same

through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in reality.

> > > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person

in this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him

company, so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs

money/dhan in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in

order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/ friends/contacts /relatives, so

God gave him younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts.

> > > > Now with family, money, siblings, and

friend’s man needs some place where he can

live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries.

In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a

two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs

intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him

intelligence and capability to have children.

> > > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings,

luxuries, intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if

person has all the comforts of life there will be no difference between

hell and heaven so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and

enemies. Now if a person has sufferings he needs someone to look after

him and he will also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he

gave him a spouse to look after and support and satisfy our

lust. God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in

the form of fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness

to remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of

karma or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various

ways of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing

business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession as

either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession. God

also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is not

100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our loss.

> > > > In astrology we have twelve houses or

bhava’s. From the first house we see

ourselves,

from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house we

see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we

see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our

children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from

7th house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see

our longevity.

> > > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional

service, from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th

house how will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house

says what will be our losses and up to what extent.

> > > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or

Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or

Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or

Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger

siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and

queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher

or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and also

show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust

our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who

will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise

themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet

& house they sit.

> > > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,ÂÂÂ

moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs,

Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These

are our maha dasha’s.

> > > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells

us what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our

sufferings.

> > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > > Haresh Nathani

> > > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > > Mumbai (India)

> > > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL

+919867214103

> > > > Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ://in.groups. /

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