[VRI] Fwd: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

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Beautiful statement Vinay Jee! And only in the true frame of QUIETITUDE do both

'sides' emerge, sans their superficial roles as friends or enemies -- many of

both kinds: one threatening the other supporting -- vanishing during each single

lifetime and when that is truly realized deep within, the witness self truly

wakes up to reality and KNOWS ...

 

 

 

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> RR Ji,

>

> <<<< You can never make an enemy see your point! First make him a friend,

because really in the very short time that we human beings are given to spend a

lifetime, there is not enough time to make enemies, although when we stretch our

hands to make friends, TIME stretches! >>>

>

> The real enemy is within oneself, in each of us. And the real friend is also

within each of us, which is a sparkle of divine light.

>

> -VJ

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> gopi_b927 <gopi_b927

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> Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:04:39 AM

> [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in which aspect?

Dear Rohiniji,

>

> well said.

>

> regards,

>

> gopi.

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> >

> > If our personal belief is firm and we are fully at peace with same, we

> shall not sway readily in the winds created by the uncertainties of

> others!

> >

> > It is when we take up the formidable task of transforming others

> without even knowing or getting to know who the 'others' are is when we

> run into problems that Internet and particularly Jyotish fora are

> experiencing!

> >

> > You can never make an enemy see your point! First make him a friend,

> because really in the very short time that we human beings are given to

> spend a lifetime, there is not enough time to make enemies, although

> when we stretch our hands to make friends, TIME stretches!

> >

> > Must be one of those quantum realities or something ... What do I

> know?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini,

> > > Â

> > > I do not call astrology as science as there are some esoteric

> elements in it. If some people do not believe in it one has to

> leave them alone. In the same way one should not object to anybody's

> believing in astrology. The Grahas and the Nakshatras may effect us

> either in inperceptible or in imperceptible ways. The Jupiter is

> protecting us by diverting to itself some stray heavenly bodies, which

> otherwise would have hit the Earth. We see the effect of the Sun

> and the Moon on water when go to the sea-side and we should not forget

> that our bodies have more water than anything else.  If one one

> wants to evaluate these effects anew on statistical basis we should not

> object to it. But if one condemns astrology just because he thinks

> that the Grahas and the Nakshatras cannot affect us or that any relation

> between the heavenly bodies and us cannot exist then that

> condemnation is unpardonable.

> > > Â

> > > Moreover the Hindus are right in getting upset when AKK and his

> likes  are trying their best  to distort the antiquity of

> Hindu astrology and that is an attack on Hinduism itself as Jyotish is a

> subject which has sanction from the ancient Dharmashastra Manu Smriti.

> > > Â

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Â

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > > Â

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a

> religious myth? in which aspect?

> > >

> > > Thursday, May 14, 2009, 6:35 PM

> > >

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> > > Dear Dada-bhai,

> > >

> > > Perhaps I am sticking my nose in the wrong gun-slinging but over the

> short teen-chaar decades of dabbling with jyotish etc what I have

> noticed is that there seems to be a tendency to claim before prooving!

> Scientists doing such would get killed, metaphorically at least in the

> real world out there, even if some may call it 'phani' (or the way a

> Bangali $wamiji that I came across long ago would have pronounced

> " funny " if you catch my drift!)!

> > >

> > > If astrology is indeed science and astrologers seem to be overeager

> to claim and prove it to be, and that is perfectly fine, but did Science

> get established as a MAJOR force to be reckoned with in modern reality

> by going back to its scriptures (papers written in 1700s or 1800s?).

> > >

> > > NO! It (and scientists) built upon what was created by Giants of

> Yore but with reasonable caution! While *LATER-DAY* Scientists

> gratefully climbed on the shoulders of their GIANT pioneers, they always

> made sure that they packed a working parachute before the climb! Being

> pragmatic by disposition, they took into account the 'risk': What if the

> ancient cookie crumbles!! Cookies are known to biodegrade over long

> periods of time. Yes??

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Hareshji,

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Namaste,

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and

> the karma theory because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us

> including you believe in the karma theory and in rebirth.. So also

> we believe in astrology and that the natal charts tell us about past

> karma and in this life we reap according to our past karma and the

> present karma together and that is why some present karmas do

> influence on our past karmaphal. In the Mahabharata also there

> umpteen instances of omens (effect of the grahas and

> nakhsatras). Hindus believe in all these. Astrology was there in

> the Hindu culture from the beginning and it is mentioned in the Manu

> Smriti. Besides Hindus the other religions and communities also

> have such beliefs. The christians believe that Jesus Christ himself

> predicted that he would resurrect after death and that he accordingly

> resurrected yet after his death he could appear before some of

> his disciples in flesh amd blood.

> > > They also believe

> > > > that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk

> on water. Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam

> also believes that the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad

> and that prophet Muhammad had once journeyed to some distant far-away

> inaccessible regions in one night.

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He

> may find some supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother

> about that. But he is spreading some lies such as the Rashis are

> not there in the Veda and Vedanga and that astrology was not known to

> the Hindus in the ancient times. We sould be on our guard only against

> his such mischievous lies.

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Regards,

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..>

> > > > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

> myth? in which aspect?

> > > > vedic_research_ institute

> > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM

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> > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

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> > > > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > > > Namaskar!

> > > > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific

> results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve

> houses or bhavaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s in a horoscope. "

> > > >

> > > > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the

> cost of the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that

> last several centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people

> have become bored to death by such joke being repeated time and again!

> > > >

> > > > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic

> astrology is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no

> courage to say so openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going

> through Rotary.doc in the files section

> > > > Regards,

> > > > A K Kaul

> > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\)

> Nathani " <haresh1405@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > > > >

> > > > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

> on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

> bhavaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s in a horoscope. In good old days

Rishi

> MunniÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s had divya gyan and complete

knowledge

> of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict and

> tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> > > > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is

> born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his

> or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were

> keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji

> replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future

> through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same

> through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in reality.

> > > > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person

> in this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him

> company, so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs

> money/dhan in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in

> order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/ friends/contacts /relatives, so

> God gave him younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts.

> > > > > Now with family, money, siblings, and

> friendÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s man needs some place where he

can

> live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries.

> In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a

> two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs

> intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him

> intelligence and capability to have children.

> > > > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings,

> luxuries, intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if

> person has all the comforts of life there will be no difference between

> hell and heaven so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and

> enemies. Now if a person has sufferings he needs someone to look after

> him and he will also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he

> gave him a spouse to look after and support and satisfy our

> lust.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > > > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in

> the form of fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness

> to remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of

> karma or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various

> ways of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing

> business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession as

> either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession. God

> also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is not

> 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our loss.

> > > > > In astrology we have twelve houses or

> bhavaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s. From the first house we see

ourselves,

> from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house we

> see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we

> see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our

> children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from

> 7th house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see

> our longevity.

> > > > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional

> service, from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th

> house how will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house

> says what will be our losses and up to what extent.

> > > > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or

> Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or

> Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or

> Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger

> siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and

> queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher

> or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and also

> show our prosperity. ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust

> our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who

> will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise

> themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet

> & house they sit.

> > > > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs,

> Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These

> are our maha dashaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s.

> > > > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells

> us what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our

> sufferings.

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > > > Haresh Nathani

> > > > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > > > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > > > Mumbai (India)

> > > > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGERÃÆ'‚ÂÂ CELL

> +919867214103

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> > > > > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > > > > Is astrology a science or a

> religious myth? in which aspect?

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