Retrograde? Mercury, a planet to be reckoned with

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Dear Rohiniji,

 

while going through older postings i

found this interesting.Why only mercury all retrograde planets are a

serious research material.I know that all astrologers are interested in

mercury specially because it is the karaka of astrology.Any way i have

an exalted mercury in lagna with sun in a papakartari yoga in between

exalted saturn and mars and hence my career is a disaster.But the great

saviour jupiter is in 10th making me getting on in life........

 

regards,

 

gopi.

, " rohiniranjan " <rrgb wrote:

>

>

> while the learned ponder, here is an ordinary astrological view:

>

> sixth lord in 7th, 7th lord placed with saturn its stark enemy, 2nd

> lord in lagna, with less than required strength. aspected by

> debilitated but strong in bala mars (lord of 10th) with some

> cancellation (10th imporved but affected family life and maybe

> acquisitions/education), darakaraka with ketu in house of

> contentment, upapada placed on rahu in 10th aspected by darapada.

> Many pointers indicating that marital or equivalent relationships are

> not the highpoints in this chart, and possibly balanced by

> achievements in the 10th house matters. Cannot blame mercury for what

> you described. Note the tainted malavya and gajakeshari yoga in this

> case?

>

> RR

>

> , paul micky paul_micky22

> wrote:

> > dear astrologers,

> > mercury is retrograde in this chart in the fifth

> > house.her career is related to the feild of mercury

> > and quite succesful in that. but personal life(

> > marriage) is disturbed. i wonder if n e of the learned

> > astrologers can shed light on this.

> > 25/06/74, 21:50, 57E28, 20S15 ( quatre

> > bornes,maritius)

> >

> >

> > --- opensmartvedic opensmartvedic wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I HAVE COMBUST AND RETROGRADE MERCURY IN PISCES SIXTH

> > HOUSE IN MY

> > HOROSCOPE. THIS IS WITH KETU. AND A PARIVARTHANA YOGA

> > OF JUPITER .

> >

> > JITHENDRA

> >

> > , " Margaret George "

> > margaret.george@v... wrote:

> > > Hi Ranjan

> > >

> > > Those are extremely interesting findings I think,

> > also, some years

> > ago, you

> > > were conducting research on Mer casini, i.e.

> > positively conjunct the

> > Sun,

> > > did you come up with any conclusions--apart from me

> > telling you these

> > > coincided with school holidays in the UK that is?

> > >

> > > I will post other findings re Mercury and car

> > accidents ( I hope

> > Inderjit is

> > > reading this to save me writing another mail) which

> > also shocked me

> > > regarding the involvement of Mercury. A very under

> > researched planet it

> > > would seem. I won't pretend to have decoded all its

> > mysteries, just was

> > > rather slapped in the face by this planet during

> > research into other

> > > planets.

> > >

> > > Please be patient as I have so many other demands

> > operating at the

> > moment,

> > > but will try and get time to write my own findings

> > so that people

> > can give

> > > contra or affirmatives, if they so wish

> > > best wishes

> > > margaret

> > >

> > > -

> > > " rohiniranjan " rrgb@s...

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:27 PM

> > > Re: Retrogrades - looking at

> > a teeny, tiny

> > sample!

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Even if all charts (28000 -- I have added a few

> > from my collection

> > > > too) are included in the filter, it remains at

> > zero. Something

> > > > intriguing indeed.

> > > >

> > > > This is not to be misinterpreted to mean that

> > mercury never

> > > > retrogresses in gemini, folks!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > " indiadirector " raj@j... wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> The data sample is too small to conclude that.

> > The current sample

> > > >> only includes Quality A or higher. If the data

> > sample is extended

> > > > to

> > > >> all records, you will see a different

> > distribution. For instance

> > > >> Carlos Santana, P.V.Narsimha Rao (ex Indian PM),

> > Georgio Armani,

> > > > John

> > > >> Glenn, E.M.M. Nambudripad (Indian communist

> > leader) etc have Me

> > > >> Retrograde in Ge.

> > > >>

> > > >> raj

> > > >> , " Margaret

> > George "

> > > >> margaret.george@v... wrote:

> > > >> > So do you think we can conclude that we can

> > safely predict that

> > > >> people with

> > > >> > mer retro in gem don't ever make it into the

> > hall of fame called

> > > >> Rodden's

> > > >> > database:-)

> > > >> > -

> > > >> > " rohiniranjan " rrgb@s...

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:46 AM

> > > >> > Retrogrades - looking

> > at a teeny, tiny

> > > >> sample!

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Just playing around with some data the other

> > day (posted earlier

> > > >> > elsewhere), thought I will share here:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Some Interesting Data on Retrograde planets

> > > >> >

> > > >> > On asking several individuals, it seemed to be

> > the general

> > > >> impression

> > > >> > that mercury would be one of the commonest

> > retrograde planet in

> > > >> > horoscopes. On the other hand, I had the

> > feeling that slower

> > > > planets

> > > >> > overall probably clocked in more days of

> > retrograde motion than

> > > >> inner

> > > >> > and faster planets, Venus and mercury, but

> > never really looked

> > > > into

> > > >> > it. Just to fulfill my curiosity, I decided to

> > look this up in the

> > > >> > Astrodatabank software (newer versions like 2

> > and 3 have a Vedic

> > > >> > version of the databank too.). For quick

> > explorations like these,

> > > > I

> > > >> > use the Rodden database with data quality A and

> > higher. Using that

> > > >> > filter, I got 19192 charts (private

> > individuals, celebrities,

> > > > pretty

> > > >> > much all walks of life the good, bad and the

> > ugly, with the

> > > >> following

> > > >> > distribution:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Mercury 6.4% times retrograde in these charts

> > > >> > Venus 5.2% times retrograde in these charts

> > > >> > Mars 7.5% times

> > > >> > Jupiter 22.4% times

> > > >> > Saturn 26.1% times

> > > >> >

> > > >> > charts with at least one planet retrograde =

> > 52.3%

> > > >> >

> > > >> > One can assume that in half of the charts seen,

> > at least one of

> > > > the

> > > >> > planet would be retrograde with the likelihood

> > of the planet being

> > > >> > Saturn>Jupiter>Mars>Mercury>Venus.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Looking at the percent of times that the ruler

> > of a house was

> > > >> > retrograde, I got a range from 8.8% to 13.3%

> > (Ruler of XII least

> > > >> > likely, ruler of VII most likely and the ruler

> > of ascendant

> > > > clocking

> > > >> > in at 9.5% times)

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Benefics (Venus, well associated mercury and

> > Jupiter as per the

> > > >> > software which is rigid in this respect!) were

> > 17.5% times

> > > >> > retrograde, malefics (nodes, Mars, Saturn, ill

> > associated Mercury,

> > > >> > Sun) were 8.4% times retrograde in the 19192

> > charts examined.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Just to cream the software a bit more, I looked

> > at the percentage

> > > > of

> > > >> > charts with one of the inner planets retrograde

> > (12.6%) or one of

> > > >> the

> > > >> > outer planets retrograde (46.7%), Situations

> > where one of the

> > > > inner

> > > >> > or one of the outer planets was retrograde

> > brought the percentage

> > > >> > close to 50% (not surprisingly, right?).

> > > >> >

> > > >> > I looked at situations where a planet was in

> > its own sign and

> > > >> > retrograde. The following pattern emerged:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Mercury - Gemini 0% Virgo 100%

> > > >> > Venus - Taurus 30% Libra 70%

> > > >> > Mars - Aries 42% Scorpio 58%

> > > >> > Jupiter - Sagittarius 55% Pisces 45%

> > > >> > Saturn - Capricorn 52% Aqua 48%

> > > >> >

> > > >> > As you can see it is not uniformly distributed

> > with something very

> > > >> > interesting going on with mercury in this

> > sample of 19192 charts!

> > > > I

> > > >> > don't know why mercury was never retrograde in

> > sidereal Gemini!

> > > >> >

> > > >> > RR

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

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Gopi ji,

 

Absolutely! All retorgrade planets are very interesting because they can bring

into our lives a bit of a different approach, a unique perspective. Now this

does not mean that all individuals will necessarily take advantage of the

retrograde 'lesson', automatically. But is is there in the curriculum of the

current life-plan. It may be a mandatory course or an elective course but that

is another story.

 

In the chart which you gave a glimpse of other factors too play a role. I

generally avoid looking at a chart piecemeal but since we are discussing and not

involved in a 'reading' situation, it can be pointed out that the following will

have a role or contribution:

 

Colocation of Sun which is the lord of 12th house

Mars is lord of the 8th and 3rd and hence malefic^2

Saturn is lord of 5th and 6th so perhaps made you work hard for education.

Exalted saturn aspected by jupiter from 10th would provide stability but due to

its aspect on the 4th and being aspected by the lord of 4th and 7th from 10th

would diminish materialistic enjoyment but improve spiritual growth and give the

company of good-hearted people.

 

RR

 

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Rohiniji,

>

> while going through older postings i

> found this interesting.Why only mercury all retrograde planets are a

> serious research material.I know that all astrologers are interested in

> mercury specially because it is the karaka of astrology.Any way i have

> an exalted mercury in lagna with sun in a papakartari yoga in between

> exalted saturn and mars and hence my career is a disaster.But the great

> saviour jupiter is in 10th making me getting on in life........

>

> regards,

>

> gopi.

> , " rohiniranjan " <rrgb@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > while the learned ponder, here is an ordinary astrological view:

> >

> > sixth lord in 7th, 7th lord placed with saturn its stark enemy, 2nd

> > lord in lagna, with less than required strength. aspected by

> > debilitated but strong in bala mars (lord of 10th) with some

> > cancellation (10th imporved but affected family life and maybe

> > acquisitions/education), darakaraka with ketu in house of

> > contentment, upapada placed on rahu in 10th aspected by darapada.

> > Many pointers indicating that marital or equivalent relationships are

> > not the highpoints in this chart, and possibly balanced by

> > achievements in the 10th house matters. Cannot blame mercury for what

> > you described. Note the tainted malavya and gajakeshari yoga in this

> > case?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , paul micky paul_micky22

> > wrote:

> > > dear astrologers,

> > > mercury is retrograde in this chart in the fifth

> > > house.her career is related to the feild of mercury

> > > and quite succesful in that. but personal life(

> > > marriage) is disturbed. i wonder if n e of the learned

> > > astrologers can shed light on this.

> > > 25/06/74, 21:50, 57E28, 20S15 ( quatre

> > > bornes,maritius)

> > >

> > >

> > > --- opensmartvedic opensmartvedic wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I HAVE COMBUST AND RETROGRADE MERCURY IN PISCES SIXTH

> > > HOUSE IN MY

> > > HOROSCOPE. THIS IS WITH KETU. AND A PARIVARTHANA YOGA

> > > OF JUPITER .

> > >

> > > JITHENDRA

> > >

> > > , " Margaret George "

> > > margaret.george@v... wrote:

> > > > Hi Ranjan

> > > >

> > > > Those are extremely interesting findings I think,

> > > also, some years

> > > ago, you

> > > > were conducting research on Mer casini, i.e.

> > > positively conjunct the

> > > Sun,

> > > > did you come up with any conclusions--apart from me

> > > telling you these

> > > > coincided with school holidays in the UK that is?

> > > >

> > > > I will post other findings re Mercury and car

> > > accidents ( I hope

> > > Inderjit is

> > > > reading this to save me writing another mail) which

> > > also shocked me

> > > > regarding the involvement of Mercury. A very under

> > > researched planet it

> > > > would seem. I won't pretend to have decoded all its

> > > mysteries, just was

> > > > rather slapped in the face by this planet during

> > > research into other

> > > > planets.

> > > >

> > > > Please be patient as I have so many other demands

> > > operating at the

> > > moment,

> > > > but will try and get time to write my own findings

> > > so that people

> > > can give

> > > > contra or affirmatives, if they so wish

> > > > best wishes

> > > > margaret

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > " rohiniranjan " rrgb@s...

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:27 PM

> > > > Re: Retrogrades - looking at

> > > a teeny, tiny

> > > sample!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Even if all charts (28000 -- I have added a few

> > > from my collection

> > > > > too) are included in the filter, it remains at

> > > zero. Something

> > > > > intriguing indeed.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not to be misinterpreted to mean that

> > > mercury never

> > > > > retrogresses in gemini, folks!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > " indiadirector " raj@j... wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The data sample is too small to conclude that.

> > > The current sample

> > > > >> only includes Quality A or higher. If the data

> > > sample is extended

> > > > > to

> > > > >> all records, you will see a different

> > > distribution. For instance

> > > > >> Carlos Santana, P.V.Narsimha Rao (ex Indian PM),

> > > Georgio Armani,

> > > > > John

> > > > >> Glenn, E.M.M. Nambudripad (Indian communist

> > > leader) etc have Me

> > > > >> Retrograde in Ge.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> raj

> > > > >> , " Margaret

> > > George "

> > > > >> margaret.george@v... wrote:

> > > > >> > So do you think we can conclude that we can

> > > safely predict that

> > > > >> people with

> > > > >> > mer retro in gem don't ever make it into the

> > > hall of fame called

> > > > >> Rodden's

> > > > >> > database:-)

> > > > >> > -

> > > > >> > " rohiniranjan " rrgb@s...

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:46 AM

> > > > >> > Retrogrades - looking

> > > at a teeny, tiny

> > > > >> sample!

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Just playing around with some data the other

> > > day (posted earlier

> > > > >> > elsewhere), thought I will share here:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Some Interesting Data on Retrograde planets

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > On asking several individuals, it seemed to be

> > > the general

> > > > >> impression

> > > > >> > that mercury would be one of the commonest

> > > retrograde planet in

> > > > >> > horoscopes. On the other hand, I had the

> > > feeling that slower

> > > > > planets

> > > > >> > overall probably clocked in more days of

> > > retrograde motion than

> > > > >> inner

> > > > >> > and faster planets, Venus and mercury, but

> > > never really looked

> > > > > into

> > > > >> > it. Just to fulfill my curiosity, I decided to

> > > look this up in the

> > > > >> > Astrodatabank software (newer versions like 2

> > > and 3 have a Vedic

> > > > >> > version of the databank too.). For quick

> > > explorations like these,

> > > > > I

> > > > >> > use the Rodden database with data quality A and

> > > higher. Using that

> > > > >> > filter, I got 19192 charts (private

> > > individuals, celebrities,

> > > > > pretty

> > > > >> > much all walks of life the good, bad and the

> > > ugly, with the

> > > > >> following

> > > > >> > distribution:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Mercury 6.4% times retrograde in these charts

> > > > >> > Venus 5.2% times retrograde in these charts

> > > > >> > Mars 7.5% times

> > > > >> > Jupiter 22.4% times

> > > > >> > Saturn 26.1% times

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > charts with at least one planet retrograde =

> > > 52.3%

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > One can assume that in half of the charts seen,

> > > at least one of

> > > > > the

> > > > >> > planet would be retrograde with the likelihood

> > > of the planet being

> > > > >> > Saturn>Jupiter>Mars>Mercury>Venus.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Looking at the percent of times that the ruler

> > > of a house was

> > > > >> > retrograde, I got a range from 8.8% to 13.3%

> > > (Ruler of XII least

> > > > >> > likely, ruler of VII most likely and the ruler

> > > of ascendant

> > > > > clocking

> > > > >> > in at 9.5% times)

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Benefics (Venus, well associated mercury and

> > > Jupiter as per the

> > > > >> > software which is rigid in this respect!) were

> > > 17.5% times

> > > > >> > retrograde, malefics (nodes, Mars, Saturn, ill

> > > associated Mercury,

> > > > >> > Sun) were 8.4% times retrograde in the 19192

> > > charts examined.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Just to cream the software a bit more, I looked

> > > at the percentage

> > > > > of

> > > > >> > charts with one of the inner planets retrograde

> > > (12.6%) or one of

> > > > >> the

> > > > >> > outer planets retrograde (46.7%), Situations

> > > where one of the

> > > > > inner

> > > > >> > or one of the outer planets was retrograde

> > > brought the percentage

> > > > >> > close to 50% (not surprisingly, right?).

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > I looked at situations where a planet was in

> > > its own sign and

> > > > >> > retrograde. The following pattern emerged:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Mercury - Gemini 0% Virgo 100%

> > > > >> > Venus - Taurus 30% Libra 70%

> > > > >> > Mars - Aries 42% Scorpio 58%

> > > > >> > Jupiter - Sagittarius 55% Pisces 45%

> > > > >> > Saturn - Capricorn 52% Aqua 48%

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > As you can see it is not uniformly distributed

> > > with something very

> > > > >> > interesting going on with mercury in this

> > > sample of 19192 charts!

> > > > > I

> > > > >> > don't know why mercury was never retrograde in

> > > sidereal Gemini!

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > RR

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

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