Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Vinay ji, well said. regards. , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > RR Ji, > > <<<< You can never make an enemy see your point! First make him a friend, because really in the very short time that we human beings are given to spend a lifetime, there is not enough time to make enemies, although when we stretch our hands to make friends, TIME stretches! >>> > > The real enemy is within oneself, in each of us. And the real friend is also within each of us, which is a sparkle of divine light. > > -VJ > ================ == > > > ________________________________ > gopi_b927 gopi_b927 > > Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:04:39 AM > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect? Dear Rohiniji, > > well said. > > regards, > > gopi. > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ ....> > wrote: > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > If our personal belief is firm and we are fully at peace with same, we > shall not sway readily in the winds created by the uncertainties of > others! > > > > It is when we take up the formidable task of transforming others > without even knowing or getting to know who the 'others' are is when we > run into problems that Internet and particularly Jyotish fora are > experiencing! > > > > You can never make an enemy see your point! First make him a friend, > because really in the very short time that we human beings are given to > spend a lifetime, there is not enough time to make enemies, although > when we stretch our hands to make friends, TIME stretches! > > > > Must be one of those quantum realities or something ... What do I > know? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > >  > > > I do not call astrology as science as there are some esoteric > elements in it. If some people do not believe in it one has to > leave them alone. In the same way one should not object to anybody's > believing in astrology. The Grahas and the Nakshatras may effect us > either in inperceptible or in imperceptible ways. The Jupiter is > protecting us by diverting to itself some stray heavenly bodies, which > otherwise would have hit the Earth. We see the effect of the Sun > and the Moon on water when go to the sea-side and we should not forget > that our bodies have more water than anything else.  If one one > wants to evaluate these effects anew on statistical basis we should not > object to it. But if one condemns astrology just because he thinks > that the Grahas and the Nakshatras cannot affect us or that any relation > between the heavenly bodies and us cannot exist then that > condemnation is unpardonable. > > >  > > > Moreover the Hindus are right in getting upset when AKK and his > likes  are trying their best  to distort the antiquity of > Hindu astrology and that is an attack on Hinduism itself as Jyotish is a > subject which has sanction from the ancient Dharmashastra Manu Smriti. > > >  > > > Best wishes, > > >  > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ > > > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a > religious myth? in which aspect? > > > > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada-bhai, > > > > > > Perhaps I am sticking my nose in the wrong gun-slinging but over the > short teen-chaar decades of dabbling with jyotish etc what I have > noticed is that there seems to be a tendency to claim before prooving! > Scientists doing such would get killed, metaphorically at least in the > real world out there, even if some may call it 'phani' (or the way a > Bangali $wamiji that I came across long ago would have pronounced > " funny " if you catch my drift!)! > > > > > > If astrology is indeed science and astrologers seem to be overeager > to claim and prove it to be, and that is perfectly fine, but did Science > get established as a MAJOR force to be reckoned with in modern reality > by going back to its scriptures (papers written in 1700s or 1800s?). > > > > > > NO! It (and scientists) built upon what was created by Giants of > Yore but with reasonable caution! While *LATER-DAY* Scientists > gratefully climbed on the shoulders of their GIANT pioneers, they always > made sure that they packed a working parachute before the climb! Being > pragmatic by disposition, they took into account the 'risk': What if the > ancient cookie crumbles!! Cookies are known to biodegrade over long > periods of time. Yes?? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Hareshji, > > > >  > > > > Namaste, > > > >  > > > > There are many people who may not believe in rebirth and > the karma theory because you cannot prove these to them. Many of us > including you believe in the karma theory and in rebirth.. So also > we believe in astrology and that the natal charts tell us about past > karma and in this life we reap according to our past karma and the > present karma together and that is why some present karmas do > influence on our past karmaphal. In the Mahabharata also there > umpteen instances of omens (effect of the grahas and > nakhsatras). Hindus believe in all these. Astrology was there in > the Hindu culture from the beginning and it is mentioned in the Manu > Smriti. Besides Hindus the other religions and communities also > have such beliefs. The christians believe that Jesus Christ himself > predicted that he would resurrect after death and that he accordingly > resurrected yet after his death he could appear before some of > his disciples in flesh amd blood. > > > They also believe > > > > that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and that Jesus could walk > on water. Christians also believe that the soul dies on death. Islam > also believes that the Moon was split into two parts by Prophet Muhammad > and that prophet Muhammad had once journeyed to some distant far-away > inaccessible regions in one night. > > > >  > > > > Mr. Kaul may call all these as nonsense. So leave him alone. He > may find some supporters like him in many fora and we need not bother > about that. But he is spreading some lies such as the Rashis are > not there in the Veda and Vedanga and that astrology was not known to > the Hindus in the ancient times. We sould be on our guard only against > his such mischievous lies. > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..> > > > > [VRI] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious > myth? in which aspect? > > > > vedic_research_ institute > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Haesh Nathani ji, > > > > Namaskar! > > > > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific > results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve > houses or bhavaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s in a horoscope. " > > > > > > > > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the > cost of the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that > last several centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people > have become bored to death by such joke being repeated time and again! > > > > > > > > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic > astrology is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no > courage to say so openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going > through Rotary.doc in the files section > > > > Regards, > > > > A K Kaul > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) > Nathani " <haresh1405@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls read this article written by me. > > > > > > > > > > What Vedic Astrology is all about? > > > > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based > on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or > bhavaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi > MunniÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s had divya gyan and complete knowledge > of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict and > tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual. > > > > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is > born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his > or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were > keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji > replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future > through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same > through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in reality. > > > > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person > in this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him > company, so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs > money/dhan in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in > order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/ friends/contacts /relatives, so > God gave him younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. > > > > > Now with family, money, siblings, and > friendÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s man needs some place where he can > live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries. > In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a > two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs > intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him > intelligence and capability to have children. > > > > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, > luxuries, intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if > person has all the comforts of life there will be no difference between > hell and heaven so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and > enemies. Now if a person has sufferings he needs someone to look after > him and he will also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he > gave him a spouse to look after and support and satisfy our > lust.ÃÆ'‚ God also gave us a certain life span or longevity. > > > > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in > the form of fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness > to remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of > karma or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various > ways of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing > business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession as > either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession. God > also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is not > 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our loss. > > > > > In astrology we have twelve houses or > bhavaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s. From the first house we see ourselves, > from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house we > see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we > see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our > children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from > 7th house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see > our longevity. > > > > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional > service, from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th > house how will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house > says what will be our losses and up to what extent. > > > > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or > Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or > Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or > Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger > siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and > queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher > or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and also > show our prosperity. ÃÆ'‚ Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust > our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who > will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise > themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet > & house they sit. > > > > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,ÃÆ'‚ > moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, > Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These > are our maha dashaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s. > > > > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells > us what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our > sufferings. > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Haresh Nathani > > > > > Cell +91 9867214103 > > > > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469 > > > > > E mail hareshgnathani@ > > > > > Mumbai (India) > > > > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer. > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGERÃÆ'‚ CELL > +919867214103 > > > > > Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ://in.groups. / > search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > > > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed > ies/database? method=reportRow s & tbl=1 & sortBy= 1 & sortDir= up > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM > > > > > Is astrology a science or a > religious myth? in which aspect? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is there anyone that can answer me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! 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