Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

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Namasthe narasimha garu,

 

really this freewill and destiny are 2 (too)complex.No one is sure.What

you are telling is someone's sayings or whatever.Do they operate

now?What is our observation and experience is all i am interested

in.They might have been operating those days of yore but we are living

beings now.That may be the reason for your prediction to go wrong!

 

Frankly speaking i also felt that Chiranjeevi will fare better.

 

regards,

 

gopi.

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can

also

> > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill

existed

> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > still......

>

> Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway?

There is no destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free

will shapes tomorrow's destiny.

>

> In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham " that there is

nothing called destiny. He says all that is there is your free will. He

says that actions done in the past using your free will will catch up

with you and that catching up is given the name of destiny. This destiny

is thus nothing external, but acts of your own free will getting back at

you.

>

> Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first 10

days of the month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days,

similarly people who abused their free will in the past may be faced

with such a weighty destiny that their free will is useless right now.

Such people may feel that there is nothing called free will.

>

> The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may vary

from person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that

free will exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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>

> , " Rohiniranjan " jyotish_vani@

wrote:

> >

> > Gopi ji,

> >

> > Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and somewhat

musingly (not amusingly!):

> >

> > All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some ending up

being effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable survey

reporting the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate -- only

anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny or acts of free will on

the part of the nativity? In both cases where they choose to follow

these or choose not to follow the advice?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Narasimha garu,

> > >

> > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can

also

> > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill

existed

> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > still......

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your

question.

> > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name

from

> > > the mail.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below,

here is

> > > a little background.

> > > >

> > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor

Chiranjeevi

> > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political

> > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such

indications on

> > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe.

The

> > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and

> > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected

as a

> > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I

upped

> > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party would do

well

> > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level

of

> > > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief

Minister, I

> > > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed.

Thus,

> > > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high

profile

> > > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like

marriage,

> > > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > > >

> > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate

and

> > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad

> > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error

in

> > > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a

little

> > > more common in high profile political predictions than in regular

> > > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of

astrology

> > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud

and

> > > elaborate what I mean.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in

previous

> > > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in

this

> > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions

committed

> > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of

time in

> > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until

that

> > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until

now.

> > > Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS life,

> > > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life

> > > events from then onwards.

> > > >

> > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always

playing a

> > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous

lives

> > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in

this

> > > life has little scope. When the options available for the free

will in

> > > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using

free

> > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of

this

> > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to

predict

> > > events.

> > > >

> > > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public

> > > personalities may have less restrictions and more options

available for

> > > their free will. With their free will being more free and

powerful, the

> > > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage.

As we

> > > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will

exercise

> > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in

this

> > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.

> > > >

> > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the

> > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is

enjoying

> > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to

enjoy

> > > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an

accurate

> > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise

of

> > > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high

profile

> > > charts?

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and

> > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for

> > > themselves...

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

 

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > >

 

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Dear PVR garu,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your

prediction on

> > > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > > >

> > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to

> > > understand if

> > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that

was the

> > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to

know

> > > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought

all the

> > > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's

lack

> > > of knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have

a

> > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that

is

> > > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be

accurate.

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > <deleted>

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