Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

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No problems Gopi ji!

 

Shri PVR Narasimha Rao has responded either here or on another forum answering

this matter very well. If you have not read it, I recommend heartily that you do

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RR

 

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

>

> Rohini ji,

>

> either musingly or amusingly i dont know the answer.It all depends on

> the concerned native.

>

> gopi.

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Gopi ji,

> >

> > Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and somewhat

> musingly (not amusingly!):

> >

> > All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some ending up

> being effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable survey

> reporting the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate -- only

> anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny or acts of free will on

> the part of the nativity? In both cases where they choose to follow

> these or choose not to follow the advice?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Narasimha garu,

> > >

> > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can

> also

> > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill

> existed

> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > still......

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your

> question.

> > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name

> from

> > > the mail.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below,

> here is

> > > a little background.

> > > >

> > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor

> Chiranjeevi

> > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political

> > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such

> indications on

> > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The

> > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and

> > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected

> as a

> > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I

> upped

> > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party would do

> well

> > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of

> > > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief Minister,

> I

> > > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed.

> Thus,

> > > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high

> profile

> > > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like

> marriage,

> > > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > > >

> > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate

> and

> > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad

> > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error

> in

> > > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a

> little

> > > more common in high profile political predictions than in regular

> > > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology

> > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud

> and

> > > elaborate what I mean.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in

> previous

> > > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this

> > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions

> committed

> > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of

> time in

> > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that

> > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until

> now.

> > > Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS life,

> > > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life

> > > events from then onwards.

> > > >

> > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing

> a

> > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous

> lives

> > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in

> this

> > > life has little scope. When the options available for the free will

> in

> > > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using

> free

> > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this

> > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to

> predict

> > > events.

> > > >

> > > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public

> > > personalities may have less restrictions and more options available

> for

> > > their free will. With their free will being more free and powerful,

> the

> > > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage. As

> we

> > > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will

> exercise

> > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in

> this

> > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.

> > > >

> > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the

> > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is

> enjoying

> > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to

> enjoy

> > > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an

> accurate

> > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise

> of

> > > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high

> profile

> > > charts?

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and

> > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for

> > > themselves...

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

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> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Dear PVR garu,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction

> on

> > > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > > >

> > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to

> > > understand if

> > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was

> the

> > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to

> know

> > > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all

> the

> > > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's

> lack

> > > of knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a

> > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is

> > > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > <deleted>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >