Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

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Gopi ji,

 

With the presumed permission of the moderator and forum, I invite you to read

something that was published nearly 7 years ago (could have been written a few

years earlier though not shared widely):

 

http://boloji.com/astro/00323.htm

 

RR

 

<MODERATOR: If this is not permissible, please delete the message and accept my

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, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Gopi ji,

>

> May I submit my humble thoughts for your kind consideration?

>

> You are right, it may be all very complex or ridiculously simple, but if

destiny were atal and supreme and unchangeable but just something to be

sustained, then what would be the point of astrology or any divination for that

matter?

>

> When raised earlier, I have gotten answers from others such as: It mentally

prepares one! It allows one to remain balanced and not get too proud when

destiny is in favour or to get too desperate and depressed when things are not

going well and destiny's needle is pointing towards the descendant (down).

>

> Makes perfect practical sense, but then the question arises.

>

> Why is this thing or being in our mental reality so important? Why is it

important to keep this entity that we astrologers are trying to keep balanced in

the mentality? Does this MIND capable of WORDS (THOUGHTS and IDEAS) that then

somehow may result in DEEDS (KARMA)?

>

> Are we back to FREE-WILL again, this time arising out of the BALANCED mind?

>

> Hmmm...

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namasthe narasimha garu,

> >

> > really this freewill and destiny are 2 (too)complex.No one is sure.What

> > you are telling is someone's sayings or whatever.Do they operate

> > now?What is our observation and experience is all i am interested

> > in.They might have been operating those days of yore but we are living

> > beings now.That may be the reason for your prediction to go wrong!

> >

> > Frankly speaking i also felt that Chiranjeevi will fare better.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > gopi.

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can

> > also

> > > > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill

> > existed

> > > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > > > still......

> > >

> > > Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway?

> > There is no destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free

> > will shapes tomorrow's destiny.

> > >

> > > In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham " that there is

> > nothing called destiny. He says all that is there is your free will. He

> > says that actions done in the past using your free will will catch up

> > with you and that catching up is given the name of destiny. This destiny

> > is thus nothing external, but acts of your own free will getting back at

> > you.

> > >

> > > Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first 10

> > days of the month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days,

> > similarly people who abused their free will in the past may be faced

> > with such a weighty destiny that their free will is useless right now.

> > Such people may feel that there is nothing called free will.

> > >

> > > The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may vary

> > from person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that

> > free will exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan " jyotish_vani@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Gopi ji,

> > > >

> > > > Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and somewhat

> > musingly (not amusingly!):

> > > >

> > > > All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some ending up

> > being effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable survey

> > reporting the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate -- only

> > anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny or acts of free will on

> > the part of the nativity? In both cases where they choose to follow

> > these or choose not to follow the advice?

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Narasimha garu,

> > > > >

> > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can

> > also

> > > > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill

> > existed

> > > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > > > still......

> > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your

> > question.

> > > > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name

> > from

> > > > > the mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below,

> > here is

> > > > > a little background.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor

> > Chiranjeevi

> > > > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political

> > > > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such

> > indications on

> > > > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe.

> > The

> > > > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and

> > > > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected

> > as a

> > > > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I

> > upped

> > > > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party would do

> > well

> > > > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level

> > of

> > > > > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief

> > Minister, I

> > > > > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed.

> > Thus,

> > > > > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high

> > profile

> > > > > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like

> > marriage,

> > > > > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate

> > and

> > > > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad

> > > > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error

> > in

> > > > > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a

> > little

> > > > > more common in high profile political predictions than in regular

> > > > > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of

> > astrology

> > > > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud

> > and

> > > > > elaborate what I mean.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in

> > previous

> > > > > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in

> > this

> > > > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions

> > committed

> > > > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of

> > time in

> > > > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until

> > that

> > > > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until

> > now.

> > > > > Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS life,

> > > > > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life

> > > > > events from then onwards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always

> > playing a

> > > > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous

> > lives

> > > > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in

> > this

> > > > > life has little scope. When the options available for the free

> > will in

> > > > > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using

> > free

> > > > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of

> > this

> > > > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to

> > predict

> > > > > events.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public

> > > > > personalities may have less restrictions and more options

> > available for

> > > > > their free will. With their free will being more free and

> > powerful, the

> > > > > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage.

> > As we

> > > > > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will

> > exercise

> > > > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in

> > this

> > > > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the

> > > > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is

> > enjoying

> > > > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to

> > enjoy

> > > > > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an

> > accurate

> > > > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise

> > of

> > > > > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high

> > profile

> > > > > charts?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and

> > > > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for

> > > > > themselves...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Dear PVR garu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your

> > prediction on

> > > > > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to

> > > > > understand if

> > > > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> > > > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that

> > was the

> > > > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to

> > know

> > > > > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought

> > all the

> > > > > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's

> > lack

> > > > > of knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have

> > a

> > > > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that

> > is

> > > > > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be

> > accurate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > > <deleted>

> > >

> > >

> > >