Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

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Om Vishnave Namah

 

Namasthe Narasimha Garu

 

Is there a way or techniques to quantitatively and accurately ascertain how much is the

destiny/baggage part and the free will part.

May be this is where modern day astrologers are lagging?

 

Srinivasa--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)vedic astrology , sohamsa , , Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:40 PM

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

> > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also> > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed> > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but> > still......

 

Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway? There is no destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free will shapes tomorrow's destiny.

 

In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in "Yoga Vaasishtham" that there is nothing called destiny. He says all that is there is your free will. He says that actions done in the past using your free will will catch up with you and that catching up is given the name of destiny. This destiny is thus nothing external, but acts of your own free will getting back at you.

 

Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first 10 days of the month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who abused their free will in the past may be faced with such a weighty destiny that their free will is useless right now. Such people may feel that there is nothing called free will.

 

The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may vary from person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that free will exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

 

Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

, "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:>> Gopi ji,> > Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and somewhat musingly (not amusingly!):> > All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some ending up being effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable survey reporting the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate -- only anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny or acts of free will on the part of the nativity? In both cases where they choose to follow these or choose not to follow the advice?> > Rohiniranjan> > , "gopi_b927" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > > Narasimha garu,> > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also> > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed> > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but> > still......> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question.> > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing

your name from> > the mail.> > >> > > * * *> > >> > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is> > a little background.> > >> > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi> > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political> > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such indications on> > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The> > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and> > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected as a> > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.> > >> > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped> > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi' s party would do

well> > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of> > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I> > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus,> > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.> > >> > > * * *> > >> > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile> > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage,> > job, childbirth etc in "regular" charts.> > >> > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and> > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad> > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in> > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a little> >

more common in high profile political predictions than in regular> > predictions. What could be the reason?> > >> > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology> > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and> > elaborate what I mean.> > >> > > * * *> > >> > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous> > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this> > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed> > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time in> > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that> > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now.> > Some key actions committed using one's free will

in THIS life,> > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life> > events from then onwards.> > >> > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a> > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives> > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this> > life has little scope. When the options available for the free will in> > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using free> > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this> > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to predict> > events.> > >> > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public> > personalities may have less restrictions and more options available for> > their free

will. With their free will being more free and powerful, the> > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage. As we> > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will exercise> > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in this> > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.> > >> > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the> > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying> > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy> > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an accurate> > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of> > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high profile> > charts?> > >>

> > * * *> > >> > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and> > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for> > themselves.. .> > >> > > Best regards,> > > Narasimha> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > >> > > -> > > Dear PVR garu,> > >> > > Namaste.> > >> > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on> > Chiranjeevi failed ?> > >> > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to> > understand if> > > 1) It is a human error (May

be you ignored some data ? )> > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the> > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.> > >> > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know> > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the> > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack> > of knowledge.> > >> > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a> > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is> > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.> > >> > > Best Regards,> > > <deleted>

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Srinivasa,  Let me give my opinion, Upachaaya houses 3,6,10 and 11 are for free will. Upachaaya means to increase or grow. These houses can increase your level of karma. Most of the houses are considered bad (except 10th) by Parashara. Hence we should try to limit our free will for loading our karma baggage.

3rd House : Kaama or passion related karmas. 11th house:  Desire or Wants related karmas. 6th house: Hatred, revenge etc.All the above are one of prime causes of increasing karma. Look at the grahas in above places to see how many factors are forcing you to indulge in those karmas. Malefics generally add more negative karma.

3rd house remedy is best to take Guru Upadesha (7th from 3rd is 9th house).11th house worship Shiva6th House worship Vishnu.Warm RegardsSanjay P

2009/5/27 Srinivasa Sunchu <padmanu

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Vishnave Namah

 

Namasthe Narasimha Garu

 

Is there a way or techniques to quantitatively and accurately ascertain how much is the

destiny/baggage part and the free will part.

May be this is where modern day astrologers are lagging?

 

Srinivasa--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

vedic astrology , sohamsa , ,

Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:40 PM

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

> > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also> > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed> > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > still......

 

Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway? There is no destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free will shapes tomorrow's destiny.

 

In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham " that there is nothing called destiny. He says all that is there is your free will. He says that actions done in the past using your free will will catch up with you and that catching up is given the name of destiny. This destiny is thus nothing external, but acts of your own free will getting back at you.

 

Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first 10 days of the month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who abused their free will in the past may be faced with such a weighty destiny that their free will is useless right now. Such people may feel that there is nothing called free will.

 

The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may vary from person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that free will exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

 

Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------  

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>> Gopi ji,> > Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and somewhat musingly (not amusingly!):> > All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some ending up being effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable survey reporting the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate -- only anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny or acts of free will on the part of the nativity? In both cases where they choose to follow these or choose not to follow the advice?

> > Rohiniranjan> > , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > > > Narasimha garu,> > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also> > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but> > still......> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question.> > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing

your name from> > the mail.> > >> > > * * *> > >> > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is> > a little background.

> > >> > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi> > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political> > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such indications on

> > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The> > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and> > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected as a

> > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.> > >> > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped> > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi' s party would do

well> > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of> > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I> > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus,

> > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.> > >> > > * * *> > >> > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile> > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage,

> > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.> > >> > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and> > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad

> > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in> > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a little> >

more common in high profile political predictions than in regular> > predictions. What could be the reason?> > >> > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology

> > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and> > elaborate what I mean.> > >> > > * * *> > >> > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous

> > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this> > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed> > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time in

> > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that> > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now.> > Some key actions committed using one's free will

in THIS life,> > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life> > events from then onwards.> > >> > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a

> > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives> > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this> > life has little scope. When the options available for the free will in

> > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using free> > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this> > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to predict

> > events.> > >> > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public> > personalities may have less restrictions and more options available for> > their free

will. With their free will being more free and powerful, the> > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage. As we> > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will exercise

> > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in this> > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.> > >> > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the

> > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying> > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy> > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an accurate

> > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of> > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high profile> > charts?> > >>

> > * * *> > >> > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and> > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for> > themselves.. .

> > >> > > Best regards,> > > Narasimha> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > >> > > -> > > Dear PVR garu,> > >> > > Namaste.> > >> > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

> > Chiranjeevi failed ?> > >> > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to> > understand if> > > 1) It is a human error (May

be you ignored some data ? )> > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the> > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.> > >> > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know

> > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the> > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack> > of knowledge.> > >> > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a

> > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is> > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.> > >> > > Best Regards,> > > <deleted>

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Namaste!

 

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa compared the results of past actions to be like

a rope tied around the neck of a goat. Free will is restricted to the

amount of freedom the rope allows one. As one burns more of past karma,

it is like the rope being loosened and the freedom given increases.

Ultimately we are all bound by the power of prakriti or maya as one

chooses to call it.

 

In psychological terms, ones own thought structures are the rope that

ties us. Our own conditioned mind restricts us. What a horoscope reveals

in this sense is often the ropes that bind us. The grace of Guru and the

power of sadhana burn away these ropes/sanchita karma.

 

Regards,

 

Shyam

 

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 13:38 +0530, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

>

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Srinivasa,

> Let me give my opinion,

> Upachaaya houses 3,6,10 and 11 are for free will. Upachaaya means to

> increase or grow. These houses can increase your level of karma. Most

> of the houses are considered bad (except 10th) by Parashara. Hence we

> should try to limit our free will for loading our karma baggage.

>

> 3rd House : Kaama or passion related karmas.

> 11th house: Desire or Wants related karmas.

> 6th house: Hatred, revenge etc.

>

> All the above are one of prime causes of increasing karma. Look at the

> grahas in above places to see how many factors are forcing you to

> indulge in those karmas. Malefics generally add more negative karma.

>

> 3rd house remedy is best to take Guru Upadesha (7th from 3rd is 9th

> house).

> 11th house worship Shiva

> 6th House worship Vishnu.

>

>

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

2009/5/27 Srinivasa Sunchu <padmanu

>

>

> Om Vishnave Namah

>

> Namasthe Narasimha Garu

>

> Is there a way or techniques to quantitatively and accurately

> ascertain how much is the

> destiny/baggage part and the free will part.

> May be this is where modern day astrologers are lagging?

>

> Srinivasa

>

> --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

> wrote:

>

>

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

> Re: Horoscope, free will and high

> profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

> vedic astrology ,

> sohamsa , ,

>

> Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:40 PM

>

> Namaste,

>

> > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so

> called free will can also

> > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes

> whatever freewill existed

> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will

> never agree but

> > > still......

>

> Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is

> destiny anyway? There is no destiny if there is no

> free will, for today's act of free will shapes

> tomorrow's destiny.

>

> In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham "

> that there is nothing called destiny. He says all that

> is there is your free will. He says that actions done

> in the past using your free will will catch up with

> you and that catching up is given the name of destiny.

> This destiny is thus nothing external, but acts of

> your own free will getting back at you.

>

> Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in

> the first 10 days of the month may have no money to

> spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who abused

> their free will in the past may be faced with such a

> weighty destiny that their free will is useless right

> now. Such people may feel that there is nothing called

> free will.

>

> The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for

> free may may vary from person to person and situation

> to situation, but it is a fact that free will exists

> and that acts of free will shape one's future.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> --------- ---------

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst

> rologer.org/ homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst

> rologer.org/ tarpana

>

> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic-

> wisdom

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.

> home.comcast. net

>

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst

> rologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> --------- ---------

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Gopi ji,

> >

> > Please understand that I am truly asking this

> sincerely and somewhat musingly (not amusingly!):

> >

> > All these remedies, that are prescribed and

> followed, some ending up being effective, others not

> (and there has never been a reliable survey reporting

> the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate

> -- only anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny

> or acts of free will on the part of the nativity? In

> both cases where they choose to follow these or choose

> not to follow the advice?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " gopi_b927 "

> <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Narasimha garu,

> > >

> > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so

> called free will can also

> > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes

> whatever freewill existed

> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will

> never agree but

> > > still......

> > > , " Narasimha

> P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in

> response to your question.

> > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after

> removing your name from

> > > the mail.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction

> referred to below, here is

> > > a little background.

> > > >

> > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu

> film actor Chiranjeevi

> > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and

> enjoy some political

> > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were

> no such indications on

> > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the

> same timeframe. The

> > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a

> party in 2008 and

> > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did

> badly, he was elected as a

> > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite

> successful. However, I upped

> > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi'

> s party would do well

> > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific

> regarding his level of

> > > success and did not predict that he would become

> the Chief Minister, I

> > > was honestly expecting his party to do better than

> they managed. Thus,

> > > the followup of my original prediction is a

> failure.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > It is my personal observation that the success

> rate in high profile

> > > political predictions is less than in regular

> predictions like marriage,

> > > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > > >

> > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata

> is not accurate and

> > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But

> sometimes we make bad

> > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can

> be a human error in

> > > judging various factors. However, that human error

> seems to be a little

> > > more common in high profile political predictions

> than in regular

> > > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left

> out of astrology

> > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will

> try to think loud and

> > > elaborate what I mean.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions

> committed in previous

> > > lives using one's free will that are to give their

> reactions in this

> > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates

> newer actions committed

> > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens

> at any point of time in

> > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed

> by one until that

> > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in

> THIS life until now.

> > > Some key actions committed using one's free will

> in THIS life,

> > > especially at important crossroads in life, should

> impact the life

> > > events from then onwards.

> > > >

> > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas

> and always playing a

> > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the

> actions of previous lives

> > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty

> and free will in this

> > > life has little scope. When the options available

> for the free will in

> > > this life are limited, there may not be

> significant actions using free

> > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based

> on actions of this

> > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be

> sufficient to predict

> > > events.

> > > >

> > > > However, highly popular, successful and high

> profile public

> > > personalities may have less restrictions and more

> options available for

> > > their free will. With their free will being more

> free and powerful, the

> > > actions committed by their free will may have a

> higher weightage. As we

> > > are able to see only their destiny in the

> horoscope (free will exercise

> > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will

> was exercised in this

> > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our

> predictions.

> > > >

> > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and

> becomes MP or the

> > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime

> Minister, he is enjoying

> > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him

> in a position to enjoy

> > > that power. To predict the specific degree of

> power and make an accurate

> > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always?

> Could the exercise of

> > > free will in this life until now make a difference

> in some high profile

> > > charts?

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing

> a question and

> > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends

> ponder on this for

> > > themselves.. .

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---------

> --------- --------- ---------

>

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst

> rologer.org/ homam

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst

> rologer.org/ tarpana

>

> > > > Spirituality: http://groups. /

> group/vedic- wisdom

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.

> home.comcast. net

>

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> http://www.SriJagan nath.org

>

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---------

> --------- --------- ---------

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Dear PVR garu,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to

> why your prediction on

> > > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > > >

> > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong

> intent. I wanted to

> > > understand if

> > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some

> data ? )

> > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and

> you think that was the

> > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and

> after coming to know

> > > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith

> and I thought all the

> > > failures are not because of astrology but because

> of astrologer's lack

> > > of knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case

> #2, then we have a

> > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish

> knowledge that is

> > > available to us at this age is very limited and

> may not be accurate.

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > <deleted>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Om Namah Shivaya!

Very difficult question!

Anybody capable of seeing the amount of karma burned till then definately is going to loose equal amount of karma energy from his bank account!!

 

 

Thanks and Regards,

Rakesh

 

 

 

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Subject : Re: Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

 

 

Date : Wed, 27 May 2009 22:28:30 -0700 (PDT)

 

 

From : Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary

 

 

To : sohamsa

 

 

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

 

Dear Shyam,

 

 

Nice analogy.

 

 

How would you see the rope length and type through the chart detials?

 

 

also, how to tell how much "karmas" are burned at any point in time?

 

 

With regards

 

 

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Shyam V. Srivatsa wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shyam V. Srivatsa

 

 

Re: Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

 

 

sohamsa

 

 

Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:08 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste!

 

 

 

 

 

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa compared the results of past actions to be like

 

 

a rope tied around the neck of a goat. Free will is restricted to the

 

 

amount of freedom the rope allows one. As one burns more of past karma,

 

 

it is like the rope being loosened and the freedom given increases.

 

 

Ultimately we are all bound by the power of prakriti or maya as one

 

 

chooses to call it.

 

 

 

 

 

In psychological terms, ones own thought structures are the rope that

 

 

ties us. Our own conditioned mind restricts us. What a horoscope reveals

 

 

in this sense is often the ropes that bind us. The grace of Guru and the

 

 

power of sadhana burn away these ropes/sanchita karma.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

 

 

Shyam

 

 

 

 

 

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 13:38 +0530, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

 

 

 

> Dear Srinivasa,

 

 

> Let me give my opinion,

 

 

> Upachaaya houses 3,6,10 and 11 are for free will. Upachaaya means to

 

 

> increase or grow. These houses can increase your level of karma. Most

 

 

> of the houses are considered bad (except 10th) by Parashara. Hence we

 

 

> should try to limit our free will for loading our karma baggage.

 

 

>

 

 

> 3rd House : Kaama or passion related karmas.

 

 

> 11th house: Desire or Wants related karmas.

 

 

> 6th house: Hatred, revenge etc.

 

 

>

 

 

> All the above are one of prime causes of increasing karma. Look at the

 

 

> grahas in above places to see how many factors are forcing you to

 

 

> indulge in those karmas. Malefics generally add more negative karma.

 

 

>

 

 

> 3rd house remedy is best to take Guru Upadesha (7th from 3rd is 9th

 

 

> house).

 

 

> 11th house worship Shiva

 

 

> 6th House worship Vishnu.

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

> Warm Regards

 

 

> Sanjay P

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

> 2009/5/27 Srinivasa Sunchu

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

> Om Vishnave Namah

 

 

>

 

 

> Namasthe Narasimha Garu

 

 

>

 

 

> Is there a way or techniques to quantitatively and accurately

 

 

> ascertain how much is the

 

 

> destiny/baggage part and the free will part.

 

 

> May be this is where modern day astrologers are lagging?

 

 

>

 

 

> Srinivasa

 

 

>

 

 

> --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

 

 

> wrote:

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

 

 

> Re: Horoscope, free will and high

 

 

> profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

 

 

> vedic astrology,

 

 

> sohamsa@ .com, ,

 

 

>

 

 

> Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:40 PM

 

 

>

 

 

> Namaste,

 

 

>

 

 

> > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so

 

 

> called free will can also

 

 

> > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes

 

 

> whatever freewill existed

 

 

> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will

 

 

> never agree but

 

 

> > > still......

 

 

>

 

 

> Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is

 

 

> destiny anyway? There is no destiny if there is no

 

 

> free will, for today's act of free will shapes

 

 

> tomorrow's destiny.

 

 

>

 

 

> In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in "Yoga Vaasishtham"

 

 

> that there is nothing called destiny. He says all that

 

 

> is there is your free will. He says that actions done

 

 

> in the past using your free will will catch up with

 

 

> you and that catching up is given the name of destiny.

 

 

> This destiny is thus nothing external, but acts of

 

 

> your own free will getting back at you.

 

 

>

 

 

> Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in

 

 

> the first 10 days of the month may have no money to

 

 

> spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who abused

 

 

> their free will in the past may be faced with such a

 

 

> weighty destiny that their free will is useless right

 

 

> now. Such people may feel that there is nothing called

 

 

> free will.

 

 

>

 

 

> The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for

 

 

> free may may vary from person to person and situation

 

 

> to situation, but it is a fact that free will exists

 

 

> and that acts of free will shape one's future.

 

 

>

 

 

> Best regards,

 

 

> Narasimha

 

 

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

 

 

> --------- ---------

 

 

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst

 

 

> rologer.org/ homam

 

 

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst

 

 

> rologer.org/ tarpana

 

 

>

 

 

> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic-

 

 

> wisdom

 

 

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.

 

 

> home.comcast. net

 

 

>

 

 

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst

 

 

> rologer.org

 

 

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

 

 

> http://www.SriJagan nath.org

 

 

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

 

 

> --------- ---------

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

> , "Rohiniranjan"

 

 

> wrote:

 

 

> >

 

 

> > Gopi ji,

 

 

> >

 

 

> > Please understand that I am truly asking this

 

 

> sincerely and somewhat musingly (not amusingly!):

 

 

> >

 

 

> > All these remedies, that are prescribed and

 

 

> followed, some ending up being effective, others not

 

 

> (and there has never been a reliable survey reporting

 

 

> the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate

 

 

> -- only anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny

 

 

> or acts of free will on the part of the nativity? In

 

 

> both cases where they choose to follow these or choose

 

 

> not to follow the advice?

 

 

> >

 

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

 

> >

 

 

> > , "gopi_b927"

 

 

> wrote:

 

 

> > >

 

 

> > > Narasimha garu,

 

 

> > >

 

 

> > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so

 

 

> called free will can also

 

 

> > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes

 

 

> whatever freewill existed

 

 

> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will

 

 

> never agree but

 

 

> > > still......

 

 

> > > , "Narasimha

 

 

> P.V.R. Rao"

 

 

> > > wrote:

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > Namaste,

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in

 

 

> response to your question.

 

 

> > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after

 

 

> removing your name from

 

 

> > > the mail.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > * * *

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction

 

 

> referred to below, here is

 

 

> > > a little background.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu

 

 

> film actor Chiranjeevi

 

 

> > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and

 

 

> enjoy some political

 

 

> > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were

 

 

> no such indications on

 

 

> > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the

 

 

> same timeframe. The

 

 

> > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a

 

 

> party in 2008 and

 

 

> > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did

 

 

> badly, he was elected as a

 

 

> > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite

 

 

> successful. However, I upped

 

 

> > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi'

 

 

> s party would do well

 

 

> > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific

 

 

> regarding his level of

 

 

> > > success and did not predict that he would become

 

 

> the Chief Minister, I

 

 

> > > was honestly expecting his party to do better than

 

 

> they managed. Thus,

 

 

> > > the followup of my original prediction is a

 

 

> failure.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > * * *

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > It is my personal observation that the success

 

 

> rate in high profile

 

 

> > > political predictions is less than in regular

 

 

> predictions like marriage,

 

 

> > > job, childbirth etc in "regular" charts.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata

 

 

> is not accurate and

 

 

> > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But

 

 

> sometimes we make bad

 

 

> > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can

 

 

> be a human error in

 

 

> > > judging various factors. However, that human error

 

 

> seems to be a little

 

 

> > > more common in high profile political predictions

 

 

> than in regular

 

 

> > > predictions. What could be the reason?

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left

 

 

> out of astrology

 

 

> > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will

 

 

> try to think loud and

 

 

> > > elaborate what I mean.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > * * *

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions

 

 

> committed in previous

 

 

> > > lives using one's free will that are to give their

 

 

> reactions in this

 

 

> > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates

 

 

> newer actions committed

 

 

> > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens

 

 

> at any point of time in

 

 

> > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed

 

 

> by one until that

 

 

> > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in

 

 

> THIS life until now.

 

 

> > > Some key actions committed using one's free will

 

 

> in THIS life,

 

 

> > > especially at important crossroads in life, should

 

 

> impact the life

 

 

> > > events from then onwards.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas

 

 

> and always playing a

 

 

> > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the

 

 

> actions of previous lives

 

 

> > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty

 

 

> and free will in this

 

 

> > > life has little scope. When the options available

 

 

> for the free will in

 

 

> > > this life are limited, there may not be

 

 

> significant actions using free

 

 

> > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based

 

 

> on actions of this

 

 

> > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be

 

 

> sufficient to predict

 

 

> > > events.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > However, highly popular, successful and high

 

 

> profile public

 

 

> > > personalities may have less restrictions and more

 

 

> options available for

 

 

> > > their free will. With their free will being more

 

 

> free and powerful, the

 

 

> > > actions committed by their free will may have a

 

 

> higher weightage. As we

 

 

> > > are able to see only their destiny in the

 

 

> horoscope (free will exercise

 

 

> > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will

 

 

> was exercised in this

 

 

> > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our

 

 

> predictions.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and

 

 

> becomes MP or the

 

 

> > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime

 

 

> Minister, he is enjoying

 

 

> > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him

 

 

> in a position to enjoy

 

 

> > > that power. To predict the specific degree of

 

 

> power and make an accurate

 

 

> > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always?

 

 

> Could the exercise of

 

 

> > > free will in this life until now make a difference

 

 

> in some high profile

 

 

> > > charts?

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > * * *

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing

 

 

> a question and

 

 

> > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends

 

 

> ponder on this for

 

 

> > > themselves.. .

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > Best regards,

 

 

> > > > Narasimha

 

 

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---------

 

 

> --------- --------- ---------

 

 

>

 

 

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst

 

 

> rologer.org/ homam

 

 

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst

 

 

> rologer.org/ tarpana

 

 

>

 

 

> > > > Spirituality: http://groups. /

 

 

> group/vedic- wisdom

 

 

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.

 

 

> home.comcast. net

 

 

>

 

 

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

 

 

> http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

 

 

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

 

 

> http://www.SriJagan nath.org

 

 

>

 

 

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---------

 

 

> --------- --------- ---------

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > -

 

 

> > > > Dear PVR garu,

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > Namaste.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to

 

 

> why your prediction on

 

 

> > > Chiranjeevi failed ?

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong

 

 

> intent. I wanted to

 

 

> > > understand if

 

 

> > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some

 

 

> data ? )

 

 

> > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and

 

 

> you think that was the

 

 

> > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and

 

 

> after coming to know

 

 

> > > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith

 

 

> and I thought all the

 

 

> > > failures are not because of astrology but because

 

 

> of astrologer's lack

 

 

> > > of knowledge.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case

 

 

> #2, then we have a

 

 

> > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish

 

 

> knowledge that is

 

 

> > > available to us at this age is very limited and

 

 

> may not be accurate.

 

 

> > > >

 

 

> > > > Best Regards,

 

 

> > > >

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

>

 

 

>

[Guest guest]

Gopiji,

 

The answer is right there!

 

////> But for the freewill part as you yourself mentioned in it its all

> aproduct of the mind only.(you may have a doubt but i have not.)Thats

> the whole problem of human mind.Our own mind will be tricking us and we

> are not aware!

////

 

[RR: One must get closer to one's mind, one's MOON! And be truthful to it, for

it holds a key to our current lifeplan!]

 

How one does that? There are as many ways as there are ayanmashas! ;-)

 

It is not just free-will but our entire reality, entire experience is through

and actually inside our mind, if you think about it. And the physical reality is

fed to the mind through the nervous system. Two examples:

 

1) When people go to the dentist and get anaesthesia or freezing for some

procedures, when they put a cup to their lips, they would swear that the rim of

the cup is broken (they cannot feel it)

 

2) Following amputation, individuals have often seen to itch the space where

their limb once was!

 

Nerves playing different kind of tricks to one's perception of reality.

 

Of course the higher and wiser part of the mind also knows that the perceptions

are faulty. Perhaps in that higher, integrative, analytical, synthetic part of

the mind resides the seeds of free-will.

 

Once one gets to experience and identify with that higher part of mind, it

begins to make sense.

 

Of course your position may be differnt on that matter. I am perfectly fine with

whatever you are comfortable with :-)

 

RR

 

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

>

> Rohini ji,

>

> I read your elaborate write-up in boloji.com now.I liked the astrology

> part of it immensely.

>

> But for the freewill part as you yourself mentioned in it its all

> aproduct of the mind only.(you may have a doubt but i have not.)Thats

> the whole problem of human mind.Our own mind will be tricking us and we

> are not aware!

>

> No two people are alike because of the mind .Otherwise all humans are

> one.Mind first seperates and then operates.I call it a culprit.So called

> balanced mind is a rare phenomena.May be when moon posited well and

> aspected/conjunct by both jupiter and saturn(again subject to some

> variations).

>

> We are back to FREEWILL.OH GOD where is it?How much i have.The answer

> promptly comes i have none!I have no problem with the answer.

>

> regards,

>

> gopi.

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Gopi ji,

> >

> > With the presumed permission of the moderator and forum, I invite you

> to read something that was published nearly 7 years ago (could have been

> written a few years earlier though not shared widely):

> >

> > http://boloji.com/astro/00323.htm

> >

> > RR

> >

> > <MODERATOR: If this is not permissible, please delete the message and

> accept my apologies>

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan " jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Gopi ji,

> > >

> > > May I submit my humble thoughts for your kind consideration?

> > >

> > > You are right, it may be all very complex or ridiculously simple,

> but if destiny were atal and supreme and unchangeable but just something

> to be sustained, then what would be the point of astrology or any

> divination for that matter?

> > >

> > > When raised earlier, I have gotten answers from others such as: It

> mentally prepares one! It allows one to remain balanced and not get too

> proud when destiny is in favour or to get too desperate and depressed

> when things are not going well and destiny's needle is pointing towards

> the descendant (down).

> > >

> > > Makes perfect practical sense, but then the question arises.

> > >

> > > Why is this thing or being in our mental reality so important? Why

> is it important to keep this entity that we astrologers are trying to

> keep balanced in the mentality? Does this MIND capable of WORDS

> (THOUGHTS and IDEAS) that then somehow may result in DEEDS (KARMA)?

> > >

> > > Are we back to FREE-WILL again, this time arising out of the

> BALANCED mind?

> > >

> > > Hmmm...

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namasthe narasimha garu,

> > > >

> > > > really this freewill and destiny are 2 (too)complex.No one is

> sure.What

> > > > you are telling is someone's sayings or whatever.Do they operate

> > > > now?What is our observation and experience is all i am interested

> > > > in.They might have been operating those days of yore but we are

> living

> > > > beings now.That may be the reason for your prediction to go wrong!

> > > >

> > > > Frankly speaking i also felt that Chiranjeevi will fare better.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > gopi.

> > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free

> will can

> > > > also

> > > > > > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever

> freewill

> > > > existed

> > > > > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never

> agree but

> > > > > > > still......

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny

> anyway?

> > > > There is no destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of

> free

> > > > will shapes tomorrow's destiny.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham " that there

> is

> > > > nothing called destiny. He says all that is there is your free

> will. He

> > > > says that actions done in the past using your free will will catch

> up

> > > > with you and that catching up is given the name of destiny. This

> destiny

> > > > is thus nothing external, but acts of your own free will getting

> back at

> > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first

> 10

> > > > days of the month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days,

> > > > similarly people who abused their free will in the past may be

> faced

> > > > with such a weighty destiny that their free will is useless right

> now.

> > > > Such people may feel that there is nothing called free will.

> > > > >

> > > > > The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may

> vary

> > > > from person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact

> that

> > > > free will exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> jyotish_vani@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gopi ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and

> somewhat

> > > > musingly (not amusingly!):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some

> ending up

> > > > being effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable

> survey

> > > > reporting the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate --

> only

> > > > anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny or acts of free

> will on

> > > > the part of the nativity? In both cases where they choose to

> follow

> > > > these or choose not to follow the advice?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Narasimha garu,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free

> will can

> > > > also

> > > > > > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever

> freewill

> > > > existed

> > > > > > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never

> agree but

> > > > > > > still......

> > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> <pvr@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to

> your

> > > > question.

> > > > > > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your

> name

> > > > from

> > > > > > > the mail.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to

> below,

> > > > here is

> > > > > > > a little background.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor

> > > > Chiranjeevi

> > > > > > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some

> political

> > > > > > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such

> > > > indications on

> > > > > > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same

> timeframe.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008

> and

> > > > > > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was

> elected

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful.

> However, I

> > > > upped

> > > > > > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party

> would do

> > > > well

> > > > > > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his

> level

> > > > of

> > > > > > > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief

> > > > Minister, I

> > > > > > > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they

> managed.

> > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in

> high

> > > > profile

> > > > > > > political predictions is less than in regular predictions

> like

> > > > marriage,

> > > > > > > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not

> accurate

> > > > and

> > > > > > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make

> bad

> > > > > > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human

> error

> > > > in

> > > > > > > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to

> be a

> > > > little

> > > > > > > more common in high profile political predictions than in

> regular

> > > > > > > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think

> loud

> > > > and

> > > > > > > elaborate what I mean.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed

> in

> > > > previous

> > > > > > > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions

> in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer

> actions

> > > > committed

> > > > > > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any

> point of

> > > > time in

> > > > > > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one

> until

> > > > that

> > > > > > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life

> until

> > > > now.

> > > > > > > Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS

> life,

> > > > > > > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact

> the life

> > > > > > > events from then onwards.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always

> > > > playing a

> > > > > > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of

> previous

> > > > lives

> > > > > > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free

> will in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > life has little scope. When the options available for the

> free

> > > > will in

> > > > > > > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions

> using

> > > > free

> > > > > > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions

> of

> > > > this

> > > > > > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be

> sufficient to

> > > > predict

> > > > > > > events.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile

> public

> > > > > > > personalities may have less restrictions and more options

> > > > available for

> > > > > > > their free will. With their free will being more free and

> > > > powerful, the

> > > > > > > actions committed by their free will may have a higher

> weightage.

> > > > As we

> > > > > > > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free

> will

> > > > exercise

> > > > > > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was

> exercised in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our

> predictions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP

> or the

> > > > > > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he

> is

> > > > enjoying

> > > > > > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a

> position to

> > > > enjoy

> > > > > > > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make

> an

> > > > accurate

> > > > > > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the

> exercise

> > > > of

> > > > > > > free will in this life until now make a difference in some

> high

> > > > profile

> > > > > > > charts?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a

> question and

> > > > > > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on

> this for

> > > > > > > themselves...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > > > > > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > Dear PVR garu,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your

> > > > prediction on

> > > > > > > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I

> wanted to

> > > > > > > understand if

> > > > > > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> > > > > > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think

> that

> > > > was the

> > > > > > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after

> coming to

> > > > know

> > > > > > > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I

> thought

> > > > all the

> > > > > > > failures are not because of astrology but because of

> astrologer's

> > > > lack

> > > > > > > of knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then

> we have

> > > > a

> > > > > > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge

> that

> > > > is

> > > > > > > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be

> > > > accurate.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > > > > <deleted>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Freedom,

 

It is good to hear from you.

 

Just for the record, I want to state that I agree with Freedom's point. The

charts of other people involved also matter. The charts of countries, political

parties, opponents and supporting leaders also matter. I have no disagreement

there.

 

* * *

 

But this is orthogonal to my main point.

 

Though we are including more factors above, we are still talking of horoscopes,

i.e. static snapshots of accumulated actions (destiny). My question is: Does

destiny get modified during one's lifetime due to one's newer actions in that

life? Is there a set of possibilities in one's life and does the exact result

vary within the set of possibilities based on one's actions, or are the exact

results fixed?

 

If you pick the latter, the next question is: Do you then believe in remedies?

What are you trying to do with remedies?

 

* * *

 

> If I remember correctly Narasimha, you had accurately

> predicted that Bush would win a second term based

> on the chart of United States.

 

Yes, I predicted that in 2004, mostly using the charts of Bush and Kerry and NOT

using US chart. In fact, I do not trust any US chart out there. I tried several

of them, but was not satisfied with any of them.

 

But I did use mundane charts like the lunar new year chart and, more

importantly, placement of planets in an eclipse chart in Washington DC just

before the 2004 elections. I suppose that is what you are referring to.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

 

 

sohamsa , Freedomji <freeflowaum wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> " It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political

predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth

etc in " regular " charts. "

>

> I agree with the fact that high profile people/politicians are harder to make

predictions about. I wouldn't agree that free-will is the cause of this.

Instead, my observation has been more that the politician is relating to a

representative body. In a battle, it doesn't matter only what the individual's

chart says, it also matters what the opositions chart says-they could both be in

good dashas- but one is better. In becoming the elected leader of a people, the

karma of the country as a whole influences the outcome. A country destined to

poverty will elect a leader who will take them there, or whatevere the karma may

be. The leader is only representing some larger karma. I have noticed that the

chart of a president severely impacts a country's events, as well as a country's

chart severely impacts a presidents life.

>

> If I remember correctly Narasimha, you had accurately predicted that Bush

would win a second term based on the chart of United States.

>

> In this way, a politician or high profile personality is more controlled and

influenced by larger bodies of karma outside themselves, and these need to be

taken into account when making predictions. I could only imagine if Obama did

everything he wanted to do, but he is so limited and controlled by the

ideologies of two political parties- and the job of making each of them happy.

>

> Namah Sivaya

> Freedom

>

> ________________________________

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

> vedic astrology ; sohamsa ;

 

> Monday, May 25, 2009 7:11:40 PM

> Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your

prediction on Chiranjeevi)

>

> Namaste,

>

> I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question. I am

cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from the mail.

>

> * * *

>

> For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is a

little background.

>

> I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi would come

into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political power. At the time of

that prediction, there were no such indications on the ground. But he did come

into politics in the same timeframe. The initial talk was in 2007, he finally

formed a party in 2008 and elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly,

he was elected as a legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

>

> Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped the ante

last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi' s party would do well in 2009

elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of success and did not

predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I was honestly expecting his

party to do better than they managed. Thus, the followup of my original

prediction is a failure.

> * * *

>

> It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political

predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth

etc in " regular " charts.

>

> In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and yet we are

eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad predictions with good data

too. Of course, it can be a human error in judging various factors. However,

that human error seems to be a little more common in high profile political

predictions than in regular predictions. What could be the reason?

>

> I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology plays a

bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and elaborate what I

mean.

>

> * * *

>

> One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous lives

using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this life. However, as

life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed in THIS life using one's

free will. What happens at any point of time in one's life is a function of ALL

actions committed by one until that point of time, INCLUDING the actions

committed in THIS life until now. Some key actions committed using one's free

will in THIS life, especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the

life events from then onwards.

>

> Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a catchup.

In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives which are to give

a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this life has little scope. When

the options available for the free will in this life are limited, there may not

be significant actions using free will and hence the modifications to destiny

based on actions of this life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be

sufficient to predict events.

>

> However, highly popular, successful and high profile public personalities may

have less restrictions and more options available for their free will. With

their free will being more free and powerful, the actions committed by their

free will may have a higher weightage. As we are able to see only their destiny

in the horoscope (free will exercise upto birth) and unable to factor in how

free will was exercised in this life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in

our predictions.

>

> Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the leader of

opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying some political

power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy that power. To predict

the specific degree of power and make an accurate prediction, is the horoscope

sufficient always? Could the exercise of free will in this life until now make a

difference in some high profile charts?

>

> * * *

>

> I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and answering it

myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for themselves.. .

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

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> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

>

> -

>

> Dear PVR garu,

>

> Namaste.

>

> If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

Chiranjeevi failed ?

>

> I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to understand if

> 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the correct

prediction to be best of your knowledge.

>

> I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know about

you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the failures are

not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack of knowledge.

>

> If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a problem. We

will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is available to us at this

age is very limited and may not be accurate.

>

> Best Regards,

> <deleted>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha,Like to touch upon one point of your mail: " It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts. "  i read on another list, in some of the mails written by Sri K.N.Rao, that many political parties/ their leaders are vying for the same position and therefore it is imperative that an analysis is made of all the contenders for the same position before reaching any conclusion.

Not to take away from anything you said already.In case of Chiranjeevi, Chandrababu Naidu and YSR - Chiranjeevi has many 'firsts' in the time frame(2007-09) compared to others and also enjoyed name and fame/money for a few decades now. Possible that YSR had enough to sustain, and no indication of reversal of fortunes in his chart. It sounds more like an issue involved in modelling the problem.

i do not know, if you considered the others before you put your finger on Chiranjeevi and his party?with regardsviswanadham